January 29, 2025 • 10 mins
This episode delves into the critical distinctions between coaching and therapy, emphasizing coaching's role in fostering personal growth for professionals. Listeners gain insights on decision-making, overcoming isolation in leadership roles, and the importance of self-care through the coaching process.
• Distinction between therapy and coaching is clarified
• Emphasis on the forward-focused nature of coaching
• Addressing decision fatigue and its impact on leadership
• Importance of self-care for high-pressure professionals
• Bi-weekly coaching sessions enhance accountability and reflection
• Strategies for maintaining personal and organizational wellness
• Introduction of text coaching as an effective support tool
• Transparent pricing structure for coaching and therapy options
• Encouragement to explore the benefits of integrating coaching into daily routines
Want to try coaching? Reach me at stevebissonlmhc@gmail.com or DM here
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi and welcome to Finding your Way Through Therapy
.
A proud member of thePsychCraft Network, the goal of
this podcast is to demystifytherapy, what can happen in
therapy and the wide array ofconversations you can have in
and about therapy Throughpersonal experiences.
Guests will talk about therapy,their experiences with it and
(00:24):
how psychology and therapy arepresent in many places in their
lives, with lots of authenticityand a touch of humor.
Here is your host, steve Bisson.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Alors, le studio a déjà changé.
The studio has already changedand I put in a little bit of
decoration, so I hope you enjoyit, but we're still in progress
here.
Welcome to Finding your Way.
This is episode 189.
We're going to talk aboutcoaching, but let's review just
quickly episode 188 with KristaGregg.
We talked about crime scenestress.
(00:58):
That comes from that as well asthe grief process.
She has a great website and shehas a great mission that she's
working on.
So please go ahead and golisten to that episode if you
haven't yet.
But episode 189 is aboutsomething I've done for a while
but I really haven't talkedabout it, so I wanted to bring
it up here.
So what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to go into it directly,
(01:18):
because some of you may know I'mactually.
I do a lot of coaching, andwhat I mean by a lot of coaching
?
Not as much as I wish,obviously, and most of you know
my passion for first respondersand grief and trauma and the
work that I do in thoseparticular realms, but I don't
get to talk a lot about coaching.
I go back to you know, amongpeople, stephanie Simpson, a
(01:39):
regular in the show we talkabout.
She talks about coaching andI've been doing coaching with
people who are I hate thosenames the C-suite people and
people who are professionals,have been in the field for a
long time, whether it's my fieldor other fields, and we talk
about coaching and what we.
This is not therapy.
I know let's talk about alittle difference between
therapy and coaching.
(02:00):
Therapy is sometimes goingbackwards, talking about what
needs to be done.
We do cognitive behavioraltherapy that's obviously my
favorite, but I do EMDR.
That's treatment.
We do group processing it'sjust treatment.
But with coaching, it's more ofthe here and now, as well as
how we're going to move forward.
It's not about reviewing thepast and it's really
(02:20):
concentrating on the strengthsthat a person has, what they
have to develop in order tosucceed, and usually related to
business.
Sometimes it's personal growth,obviously, but it's not therapy
, as in we're treating trauma orwe're treating things like that
.
So I want to make sure that youknew the difference, and I
certainly know the difference,so I want to talk about that.
(02:41):
What I really find, first of all, with people who are more need
coaching are actually not muchdifferent than people in therapy
, except they're more forwardleaning, and I think that that's
exactly what I just explained.
So coaching usually is not asintense in the sense that I
usually meet people every otherweek for coaching.
(03:01):
I don't typically meet peopleevery week, and the reason why
is that we're trying toimplement things, so why do I do
every other week?
I know some coaching is everyweek and I respect that, and
some people do group for that,and that's I respect that too.
I don't do group and I don't doevery week.
The reason why I do every otherweek is because I'm going to
give you goals and things thatyou got to work on in order to
get to the second week and if wedidn't, we look at those
(03:23):
barriers as to what was blockingyou, whether it's a thought
process, whether it's being toobusy and things like that
because when people are in thosetype of settings, they always
have more and more to do andthey don't find time for
themselves.
So we talk a little bit aboutself-care because we get tired
of being in the situation wherewe make a lot of the decision I
think they call that decisionfatigue, right and so when they
(03:45):
get to do things for themselves,they're so tired they're not
willing to do even decisions forthemselves and work on stuff,
so that's part of what I do.
Being a leader is a little bitisolating, and what I mean by
that is this a CEO has to makethe hard decisions for the whole
company.
I always liken it to a lot ofpeople who work in the first
responder field.
You got to make a quickdecision to make the situation
(04:05):
better, at least contain it ifyou can, and sometimes that's
very isolating, very difficult,and there's a lot of pressure,
and the pressure that is forcoaching is that all the
decisions fall on you and youdon't know what to do next, and
sometimes the decision has to donothing with a job, but looking
for a job or what you want todo.
When do you want to retire?
What are your goals for thenext five years?
(04:26):
Three years depending onretirement, and you know I do
talk a little bit about finances, but I really talk about what
the thought process that'sblocked.
In order to move forward, youstart forgetting about yourself
and your family and friends.
One of the things that I hear alot about from my interventions
every other week to not only getpeople to go, but they're also
enthused.
If you meet someone every weekin a coaching set.
(04:46):
I found that people lack thatenthusiasm for lack of a better
word.
I don't think that they're notenthusiastic, but they have a
lot of stuff going on.
They're looking for coaching,they're looking for help.
So we try to think about whatperformances they're looking for
(05:14):
, what they're looking to do ingeneral for themselves and how
stress makes it hard for theirdecision-making, as well as how
it impacts their family and howis blocking you from moving
forward.
And if it's because you don'twant to hurt people's feelings,
we talk about that and I don'tgive the standard.
We talk about how making harddecisions are just that hard
making hard decisions.
But why is it hard?
What's the struggles?
Have you faced this before?
(05:34):
So we talk a lot about that andI think it's important to
discuss also how to manage it onan organizational level,
because sometimes you won't getalong with the people above you,
and if you're above everyone,basically you may not get along
with other people in yourdecision.
Realm right, maybe the CEOdoesn't get along with the CFO
or the CMO or stuff like that.
(05:56):
So you got to work on thoseconnections and how to make it
healthy.
I think that what happens ispeople set themselves up for
certain ways to do things andwhat we bring back is hey, how
can we make a decisions togetherversus just one person making
that decision?
If you don't mind, I'm justgoing to take a quick break.
I don't know, you know, I thinkthat I don't know if you know
(06:18):
about Magic Mind.
Magic Mind is something that Istarted taking about I don't
know a month ago, a month and ahalf ago, and I got to tell you
that every stuff what I loveabout Magic Mind is stay awake.
For those of you who they stilllove my coffee, right, much
that coffee a day yes, I knowit's excessive this has really
really reduced the number ofcoffee that I take and
(06:38):
diminished the coffee.
Not that coffee is necessarilybad, but really working on it.
And this is an experience Like.
I'll show you what I was afraidof and I don't know about you
guys.
But I look at this and they gogreen Ooh, it turns me off for
some reason.
But this is like sweet itdoesn't go in.
They think it has a shot andthe best thing you can do is put
it in the fridge.
It's not as good when it's notin the fridge.
This is really good when youput it in the fridge.
(07:00):
It really cools you down andmakes me feel a little more
awake, and I think that that'swhat's important to me is the
being able to have thisexperience without the caffeine,
so I really like that.
The other thing, too, is I likethe product so much.
I got some sleep stuff.
I haven't tried it yet, justexcited.
I got it today, so I'm lookingforward to trying it.
But I'm sorry for deviatinghere, just wanted to share
(07:22):
something.
Magic mind Great product.
Go online.
I think they're all availableon Amazon Go check it out.
Really good.
It's just my honest opinion.
You know how I work and Iactually offered it to other
people I know both friends andclients I'm and it's actually
also helpful for not having morecoffee every day.
(07:43):
So, anyway, magicmind greatproduct.
Let's talk about prices, what Ido.
So I really help people.
I've helped people in thebusiness world, I've helped
people in the banking world,I've helped people in the
nursing world.
I've even helped people in thenonprofit world and I do
coaching with all of them and mything, the experience that I've
had, is that they all need itin order to take care of
(08:04):
themselves, take care of theirfamily.
So how do.
I do that whole, take care ofmy clients to make sure that
they do it for themselves.
So the first thing I do isthere's text.
So with text usually I call ittext coaching it's twice a week
I'm going to send you promptsfor you to work on, prompts as
easy as what have you done todayto take care of yourself, what
is your priority in the nextcouple of weeks?
(08:25):
What are you neglecting andwhat should you be working on
for you, not for the businessthat you're working for, stuff
like that.
And I'm just giving you youknow I guess I should say
spoiler, right?
I know that text coachingreally works and I really like
that.
So I really want to be able tochoose to do text coaching with
(08:45):
you so that you can move forward, and that's $175 a month.
You get two prompts a week andyou got to work on it.
Now, if you want to do thetherapy, you do therapy with me.
It's two sessions every month,45 minutes each and the total
for that is $400.
And that's really helpful towork on things.
We move forward really quicklyand I think that a lot of
(09:06):
individuals have really enjoyedmoving forward with that as far
as a package.
If you want the text, coachingas well as the therapy.
Instead of what that would be atotal of what?
$575, it's a total of $500.
So you know, I really thinkcoaching can be helpful.
It really manages stress, itmoves forward.
(09:28):
We do a lot of education, too,as to why some things are harder
for others, and I really wouldlove for anyone who wants to
contact me.
There's a direct message buttonon my podcast If you go there.
If not, go to my website,wwwsteve-bissoncom, and if not,
go to my website,wwwsteve-bissoncom, and if not,
you just go email me.
That's available,stevebissonlmhc at gmailcom.
(09:51):
You can do any of those things.
Really helpful for me.
If you want to tell me what youthought about this episode and
hopefully we're able to touchbase, I really think that I can
benefit a whole lot of peoplewho ask the question and what is
it, what it's not, maybeexperimenting with what you want
and maybe seeing also just wantto make sure to tell you that
I'm open to conversation on thatexchange.
(10:11):
Well, this is it for episode189.
I hope you enjoyed it.
The next episode will be withTina and I'm hoping that you
join me then.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Please like, subscribe and follow this
podcast on your favoriteplatform.
A glowing review is alwayshelpful and, as a reminder, this
podcast is for informational,educational and entertainment
purposes only.
If you're struggling with amental health or substance abuse
issue, please reach out to aprofessional counselor for
consultation.
If you are in a mental healthcrisis, call 988 for assistance.
(10:42):
This number is available in theUnited States and Canada.
Hi and welcome to Finding your Way Through Therapy
.
A proud member of thePsychCraft Network, the goal of
this podcast is to demystifytherapy, what can happen in
therapy and the wide array ofconversations you can have in
and about therapy Throughpersonal experiences.
Guests will talk about therapy,their experiences with it and
(00:24):
how psychology and therapy arepresent in many places in their
lives, with lots of authenticityand a touch of humor.
Here is your host, steve Bisson.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Alors, le studio a déjà changé.
The studio has already changedand I put in a little bit of
decoration, so I hope you enjoyit, but we're still in progress
here.
Welcome to Finding your Way.
This is episode 189.
We're going to talk aboutcoaching, but let's review just
quickly episode 188 with KristaGregg.
We talked about crime scenestress.
(00:58):
That comes from that as well asthe grief process.
She has a great website and shehas a great mission that she's
working on.
So please go ahead and golisten to that episode if you
haven't yet.
But episode 189 is aboutsomething I've done for a while
but I really haven't talkedabout it, so I wanted to bring
it up here.
So what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to go into it directly,
(01:18):
because some of you may know I'mactually.
I do a lot of coaching, andwhat I mean by a lot of coaching
?
Not as much as I wish,obviously, and most of you know
my passion for first respondersand grief and trauma and the
work that I do in thoseparticular realms, but I don't
get to talk a lot about coaching.
I go back to you know, amongpeople, stephanie Simpson, a
(01:39):
regular in the show we talkabout.
She talks about coaching andI've been doing coaching with
people who are I hate thosenames the C-suite people and
people who are professionals,have been in the field for a
long time, whether it's my fieldor other fields, and we talk
about coaching and what we.
This is not therapy.
I know let's talk about alittle difference between
therapy and coaching.
(02:00):
Therapy is sometimes goingbackwards, talking about what
needs to be done.
We do cognitive behavioraltherapy that's obviously my
favorite, but I do EMDR.
That's treatment.
We do group processing it'sjust treatment.
But with coaching, it's more ofthe here and now, as well as
how we're going to move forward.
It's not about reviewing thepast and it's really
(02:20):
concentrating on the strengthsthat a person has, what they
have to develop in order tosucceed, and usually related to
business.
Sometimes it's personal growth,obviously, but it's not therapy
, as in we're treating trauma orwe're treating things like that
.
So I want to make sure that youknew the difference, and I
certainly know the difference,so I want to talk about that.
(02:41):
What I really find, first of all, with people who are more need
coaching are actually not muchdifferent than people in therapy
, except they're more forwardleaning, and I think that that's
exactly what I just explained.
So coaching usually is not asintense in the sense that I
usually meet people every otherweek for coaching.
(03:01):
I don't typically meet peopleevery week, and the reason why
is that we're trying toimplement things, so why do I do
every other week?
I know some coaching is everyweek and I respect that, and
some people do group for that,and that's I respect that too.
I don't do group and I don't doevery week.
The reason why I do every otherweek is because I'm going to
give you goals and things thatyou got to work on in order to
get to the second week and if wedidn't, we look at those
(03:23):
barriers as to what was blockingyou, whether it's a thought
process, whether it's being toobusy and things like that
because when people are in thosetype of settings, they always
have more and more to do andthey don't find time for
themselves.
So we talk a little bit aboutself-care because we get tired
of being in the situation wherewe make a lot of the decision I
think they call that decisionfatigue, right and so when they
(03:45):
get to do things for themselves,they're so tired they're not
willing to do even decisions forthemselves and work on stuff,
so that's part of what I do.
Being a leader is a little bitisolating, and what I mean by
that is this a CEO has to makethe hard decisions for the whole
company.
I always liken it to a lot ofpeople who work in the first
responder field.
You got to make a quickdecision to make the situation
(04:05):
better, at least contain it ifyou can, and sometimes that's
very isolating, very difficult,and there's a lot of pressure,
and the pressure that is forcoaching is that all the
decisions fall on you and youdon't know what to do next, and
sometimes the decision has to donothing with a job, but looking
for a job or what you want todo.
When do you want to retire?
What are your goals for thenext five years?
(04:26):
Three years depending onretirement, and you know I do
talk a little bit about finances, but I really talk about what
the thought process that'sblocked.
In order to move forward, youstart forgetting about yourself
and your family and friends.
One of the things that I hear alot about from my interventions
every other week to not only getpeople to go, but they're also
enthused.
If you meet someone every weekin a coaching set.
(04:46):
I found that people lack thatenthusiasm for lack of a better
word.
I don't think that they're notenthusiastic, but they have a
lot of stuff going on.
They're looking for coaching,they're looking for help.
So we try to think about whatperformances they're looking for
(05:14):
, what they're looking to do ingeneral for themselves and how
stress makes it hard for theirdecision-making, as well as how
it impacts their family and howis blocking you from moving
forward.
And if it's because you don'twant to hurt people's feelings,
we talk about that and I don'tgive the standard.
We talk about how making harddecisions are just that hard
making hard decisions.
But why is it hard?
What's the struggles?
Have you faced this before?
(05:34):
So we talk a lot about that andI think it's important to
discuss also how to manage it onan organizational level,
because sometimes you won't getalong with the people above you,
and if you're above everyone,basically you may not get along
with other people in yourdecision.
Realm right, maybe the CEOdoesn't get along with the CFO
or the CMO or stuff like that.
(05:56):
So you got to work on thoseconnections and how to make it
healthy.
I think that what happens ispeople set themselves up for
certain ways to do things andwhat we bring back is hey, how
can we make a decisions togetherversus just one person making
that decision?
If you don't mind, I'm justgoing to take a quick break.
I don't know, you know, I thinkthat I don't know if you know
(06:18):
about Magic Mind.
Magic Mind is something that Istarted taking about I don't
know a month ago, a month and ahalf ago, and I got to tell you
that every stuff what I loveabout Magic Mind is stay awake.
For those of you who they stilllove my coffee, right, much
that coffee a day yes, I knowit's excessive this has really
really reduced the number ofcoffee that I take and
(06:38):
diminished the coffee.
Not that coffee is necessarilybad, but really working on it.
And this is an experience Like.
I'll show you what I was afraidof and I don't know about you
guys.
But I look at this and they gogreen Ooh, it turns me off for
some reason.
But this is like sweet itdoesn't go in.
They think it has a shot andthe best thing you can do is put
it in the fridge.
It's not as good when it's notin the fridge.
This is really good when youput it in the fridge.
(07:00):
It really cools you down andmakes me feel a little more
awake, and I think that that'swhat's important to me is the
being able to have thisexperience without the caffeine,
so I really like that.
The other thing, too, is I likethe product so much.
I got some sleep stuff.
I haven't tried it yet, justexcited.
I got it today, so I'm lookingforward to trying it.
But I'm sorry for deviatinghere, just wanted to share
(07:22):
something.
Magic mind Great product.
Go online.
I think they're all availableon Amazon Go check it out.
Really good.
It's just my honest opinion.
You know how I work and Iactually offered it to other
people I know both friends andclients I'm and it's actually
also helpful for not having morecoffee every day.
(07:43):
So, anyway, magicmind greatproduct.
Let's talk about prices, what Ido.
So I really help people.
I've helped people in thebusiness world, I've helped
people in the banking world,I've helped people in the
nursing world.
I've even helped people in thenonprofit world and I do
coaching with all of them and mything, the experience that I've
had, is that they all need itin order to take care of
(08:04):
themselves, take care of theirfamily.
So how do.
I do that whole, take care ofmy clients to make sure that
they do it for themselves.
So the first thing I do isthere's text.
So with text usually I call ittext coaching it's twice a week
I'm going to send you promptsfor you to work on, prompts as
easy as what have you done todayto take care of yourself, what
is your priority in the nextcouple of weeks?
(08:25):
What are you neglecting andwhat should you be working on
for you, not for the businessthat you're working for, stuff
like that.
And I'm just giving you youknow I guess I should say
spoiler, right?
I know that text coachingreally works and I really like
that.
So I really want to be able tochoose to do text coaching with
(08:45):
you so that you can move forward, and that's $175 a month.
You get two prompts a week andyou got to work on it.
Now, if you want to do thetherapy, you do therapy with me.
It's two sessions every month,45 minutes each and the total
for that is $400.
And that's really helpful towork on things.
We move forward really quicklyand I think that a lot of
(09:06):
individuals have really enjoyedmoving forward with that as far
as a package.
If you want the text, coachingas well as the therapy.
Instead of what that would be atotal of what?
$575, it's a total of $500.
So you know, I really thinkcoaching can be helpful.
It really manages stress, itmoves forward.
(09:28):
We do a lot of education, too,as to why some things are harder
for others, and I really wouldlove for anyone who wants to
contact me.
There's a direct message buttonon my podcast If you go there.
If not, go to my website,wwwsteve-bissoncom, and if not,
go to my website,wwwsteve-bissoncom, and if not,
you just go email me.
That's available,stevebissonlmhc at gmailcom.
(09:51):
You can do any of those things.
Really helpful for me.
If you want to tell me what youthought about this episode and
hopefully we're able to touchbase, I really think that I can
benefit a whole lot of peoplewho ask the question and what is
it, what it's not, maybeexperimenting with what you want
and maybe seeing also just wantto make sure to tell you that
I'm open to conversation on thatexchange.
(10:11):
Well, this is it for episode189.
I hope you enjoyed it.
The next episode will be withTina and I'm hoping that you
join me then.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Please like, subscribe and follow this
podcast on your favoriteplatform.
A glowing review is alwayshelpful and, as a reminder, this
podcast is for informational,educational and entertainment
purposes only.
If you're struggling with amental health or substance abuse
issue, please reach out to aprofessional counselor for
consultation.
If you are in a mental healthcrisis, call 988 for assistance.
(10:42):
This number is available in theUnited States and Canada.
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