December 14, 2023 • 19 mins
Imagine if we took a sweeping journey across time, tracing the complex dance between individualism and collectivism, dissecting its influence on society, religion, and pop culture. What would we discover about our own identities, our communities, and our shared humanity? That's exactly what we set out to do in this enlightening episode of Resilient Faith, drawing on the wisdom of Archbishop Desmond Tutu's interpretation of Ubuntu and the provocative lyrics of Taylor Swift.
Join us as we dissect human history - from biblical tales of the Garden of Eden and the Tower of Babel to the rise of individuality in the Western world. We'll grapple with ideas of Marxism, capitalism, and socialism, and even ponder Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest. As we unravel these threads, we'll also bring in the perspectives of great thinkers like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Pope Francis. We promise this intellectual journey will provoke thought, stir conversation, and just might reshape your understanding of our world. So let's dare to dive deep and journey together into this exploration of our individuality and our communal callings.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Resilient Faith, the podcast.
Opportunities to find deeperresilience within ourselves can
come when life seems mostchallenging.
This podcast is to help youdevelop that resilience and
connection with God.
Being resilient and havingpower starts with faith.
(00:32):
Welcome, friends, to theResilient Faith podcast
sponsored by BrentwoodPresbyterian Church in West Los
Angeles.
We are sharing our sermons fromour recent series, the Gospel
(00:52):
According to Taylor Swift.
This was a six-week sermonseries in the fall of 2023.
It's important in this day andage to talk about current events
and pop culture in our worshipand be in dialogue with
Christian perspectives andscripture.
Using Taylor Swift's lyrics andsome of her songs as a
(01:15):
launching pad, we are discussingsome of the important issues
and looking through them with aChristian lens.
Thanks for listening and wepray that the Holy Spirit
reaches you through this series.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, we are so sad.
This is the last one of ourTaylor Swift series.
Boo, you know I have had somany of you ask me.
So when are you gonna talkabout this thesis, this doctoral
thesis that you're writing inworship, especially after this
summer where I went to havethese conversations, powerful
(01:52):
conversations with some of theclosest colleagues and best
friends of Archbishop DesmondTutu and Nelson Mandela,
unbelievable conversations.
But the problem is it's kindacomplicated.
I mean the thesis it's kindacomplicated.
I mean I barely understand itfor myself.
(02:12):
My thesis advisor, dr Willemann, is trying to get his mind
wrapped around it.
It is complicated, all of thethings I wanna say and do and
all of the different threadsthat I wanna pull into it.
Even the title is complicatedArchbishop Desmond Tutu's Amago
De Infused Version of Ubuntu asthe hermeneutical antidote to
(02:37):
the rise of toxic individualityin our world today.
Basically, what I wanna do is totry to unpack and explore this
age-old ontological dialectictension between individuality
and collectivism Since thebeginning of time, this
(03:00):
understanding that we werecreated to be in relationship,
that we were created to be incommunity with one another, but
also created to be individualsand unique, preciously created
by God.
I wanna take a look at some ofthese archetypal stories coming
from the beginning of time, asearly as the book of Genesis,
(03:22):
the stories of the rebellion inthe garden and the eating of the
fruit, the stories of Cain andAbel and the Tower of Babel.
I wanna pull in Darwin, charlesDarwin and his understanding of
the survival of the fittest andthe competition of species, and
this question that stumped himas to why, if we're all just
trying to perpetuate our genepool, why is it that sometimes
(03:43):
we're willing to jump on a handgrenade for our comrades in arms
or sacrifice our good forothers?
I wanna take a look at themeteoric rise of individuality
in the Western world, fromancient Greek thought to the
Roman Empire, to the ApostlePaul and Augustine and the
Enlightenment and the foundingof our country.
I wanna take a look at thesetensions between Marxism and
(04:08):
capitalism, between socialismand free, laissez-faire, free
economic society, betweenautocratic rule and democracy,
western and Eastern philosophyand the rise of this
nationalistic, xenophobicunderstanding of our world and
this fascination that we haveright now with fascism and
(04:32):
populism and toxic individuality.
And then I wanna takeArchbishop Desmond Tutu's
understanding of Ubuntu and lookat all that's going on, very
similar to what Martin LutherKing was saying with the beloved
community, what Gandhi wassaying, what Pope Francis calls
the Fratelli Tuti, what theSouth Koreans call the concept
(04:54):
of Jiyong, what the SouthAmericans call the concept of La
Familia.
I wanna take a look at this asa unifying lens to try to bridge
this gap between ourindividuality and our call into
community.
(05:16):
Do you see why I haven't talkedabout this in worship before?
You have an embraced version ofthat.
And how do we even begin to getat this fundamental existential
tension that's built into ourhuman existence?
How do we understand this ideaof a mago day, that each one of
(05:36):
us is created unique but to bein community?
It's hard for me to figure outuntil I saw the video me by
Taylor Swift.
You know it doesn't go quite asfar as my thesis goes.
(05:57):
It doesn't pull in all of thedifferent threads, but she does
a pretty remarkable job atunpacking, really, the central
convictions of this idea of theAmago Day.
Heck a lot more simplisticallythan I can, and so I would like
to present to you a Swiftonianresponse to Amago Day, wrapped
(06:22):
up in a very cute video.
How fun Amago Day.
Two simple sentences Baby,there's only one of me, and
(06:46):
that's the fun of me.
There's only one of you, baby.
That's the fun of you.
But God put it this way,starting in Genesis, chapter one
.
So God created mankind,humankind in his own image, in
the image of God.
(07:06):
He created them, male andfemale, he created them.
And then in Isaiah, chapter 64,yet you, lord, are our Father,
we are the clay and you are thepotter.
We are all the work of yourhand.
Well, today is World CommunionSunday.
(07:29):
It is that day that we cometogether with Christians all
over the world to be remindedthat not only are we tied
intimately, interconnectedly, toone another, but really to all
human beings across the face ofthis planet, all of those that
God created, and not just allhuman beings, but really every
(07:51):
animal and plant and mountainand stream and lake, all of
God's creation that God createdand loves and adores.
I often talk about the greatCroatian theologian, miroslav
Volf, in this place, and it'sfor a few reasons.
One, because I got to know himquite well when we were working
(08:11):
on a reconciliation conferencetogether in Croatia after the
Balkan War.
The other is that our formeryouth director oh my gosh, I
just drew a blank Our formeryouth director, angela.
Yes, angela, sorry, thank you,left here to go and work with
Miroslav Fulf at Yale University, but also because he really is
(08:36):
probably one of the bestthinkers who really is thinking
through this whole tension inour world between individualism
and community, between identityand belonging.
He agonized over the heartbreakof the Balkan War and as he kind
of came through it he realizedthat really at the heart of
(08:57):
everything is this issue thathuman beings have, between
identity and belonging, that weare born into a scary,
overwhelming world, and so froma very early age, we start
trying to find a place where wecan fit in, where we can be
ourselves.
What is my place in this world?
Who am I in this world?
(09:19):
What is my purpose?
And so he says that from a veryearly age, we start looking for
a group that we can fit in,with, that we can feel like we
belong to, where we can beourselves and find our identity.
And he says that the problemwith that, the only problem with
that, is, in order to have agroup where we are the insider,
(09:40):
we need other groups to be theoutsiders, the people who don't
belong to us.
And so we spend our livescreating these inside and
outside groups, and we'll creategroups around anything around
our skin color, our nations, ourborders, our territories.
(10:04):
Between our politics if we'reRepublicans or Democrats, we'll
create them.
Between the kind of work thatwe do, the places that we live.
We'll create them between oursocial or economic classes.
We'll even create them whetherwe are Bruins or Trojans.
And then in the religious world, we'll create them whether
(10:24):
you're Muslim or Christian orJew, even within the Christian
church, whether you'rePresbyterian or Catholic or
Baptist.
This is the great dilemma ofour human existence, especially
when we were created by God tobe in relationship, to be in
(10:45):
community.
What he says, the great gift ofbecoming a Christian is that we
find a new identity, we find anew sense of belonging.
Suddenly we don't have tocreate outside groups, because
we know that we belong to theone who created us and loves us
(11:05):
and adores us, and that not onlythat, but it attaches us to
everyone else in this entireworld and every other part of
God's creation, because we findour place in this intricate
design as one of the tiles of agrand mosaic.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu wasright that we are intricately,
(11:29):
inextricably connected in oneinseparable bundle of life and
in a very real sense, whateverhappens to one person around the
world happens to all of us.
When one person is dehumanizedor enslaved or brought down, our
humanity, all of our humanity,is diminished and diluted and
(11:55):
damaged.
And when one person anywhere inthe world is liberated or
rescued or healed, we're allempowered and freed Because,
whether we like it or not, weare intricately connected to one
another.
We see this with globalization.
We see this with what's beengoing on in our world over the
(12:17):
last few years the way that thepandemic tied us all together,
the way that these financialcrises and global insecurities
ties us together, that we areall going to rise or fall
together.
The apostle Paul talks aboutthis in his first book to the
Corinthians when he talks aboutall of us being members of one
(12:40):
body and the way that the bodyworks together and we can't deny
any part of the body.
Even the smallest parts that wedon't think are very important
are so important.
I mean, I know we've beentalking a lot recently and it's
been in a lot of the literatureabout the importance of
opposable thumbs, but do any ofus really have any idea what the
(13:00):
uvula does, that littlepunching bag in the back of our
throat, or the frenulum, thatlittle piece of skin up on our
upper lip.
Well, my brother was bornwithout a uvula and we found out
very quickly how important itis, with all of the sore throats
and the throat infections andear infections he was getting.
They say that if you don't haveone of these frenioms every
(13:21):
time you smile, you'll get bugsin your teeth.
And yet here is the way theapostle Paul put it In 1
Corinthians, chapter 12, he saysbut in fact God has placed the
parts of the body, every one ofthem, just as he wanted them to
be.
If they were all one part,where would the body be as it is
(13:44):
?
There are many parts, but onebody.
The eye cannot say to the hand,I don't need you.
And the head cannot say to thefoot, I don't need you.
On the contrary, those parts ofthe body that seem to be the
weakest are the mostindispensable.
And the parts that we think areless formidable we treat with
(14:07):
special honor, and the partsthat are unpresentable are
treated with special modesty,while our presentable parts need
no special treatment.
But God has put the bodytogether, giving greater honor
to the parts that lacked it, sothat there should be no division
in the body, but that its partsshould have equal concern for
(14:30):
each other.
If one part suffers, every partsuffers with it.
If one part is honored, everypart rejoices with it.
We are interconnected in waysthat we are only beginning to
(14:51):
understand, and it should havehuge consequences for the way we
understand ourselves and ourlives and our world and the way
that we act in it.
When we give our lives to God,we certainly remain as citizens
of whatever country we're borninto, as patriotic citizens of
(15:11):
whatever country we're born into, but we are called to a new
kind of citizenship, an evengreater citizenship, one to be
part of the citizenship of thekingdom of God, which carries
all new profoundresponsibilities and ways of
understanding that our primaryallegiance must now be to all of
God's creatures, to all ofhumanity, to all of God's
(15:35):
creation.
We've seen this in the lastnumber of years.
Nature itself is screaming atus in a million different ways
the fact that we areinterconnected, and when one
small thing gets hurt or damaged, it has ripple effects that
affect all of us.
We're seeing it over and overagain, and so, as we approach
(16:02):
this table on World CommunionSunday, let us never forget what
we talked about during WelcomeBack Sunday that this world is
not a beautiful place despiteour differences.
It is such a beautiful placebecause of our differences.
It is our diversity that makesthis tapestry whole and complete
(16:27):
and honoring to the one whocreated it and loves us.
As we come to this table, we arereminded that our primary
calling in life is to honor andrespect, to serve and uplift and
(16:48):
celebrate not just every humanbeing on this planet, but all of
God's creation every animal,every plant, every forest and
stream and ocean.
That when we are out cleaning anocean, when we save or protect
one stream or one forest, whenwe discover a new galaxy, when
(17:09):
we clean an ocean, when we savea species from going extinct,
when we have more humanetreatment towards other animals,
as we start to bring down ourguard and we open ourselves to a
group of people that we haven'topened ourselves to before, as
we go to the rescue of peoplearound the world who need our
(17:29):
help and we are there for thosewho suffer, not only are we
honoring and glorifying God, notonly are we finding our unique
place in the beautiful tapestrywhich is the grand design of
this creation that God hascreated and loves, but we are
(17:53):
actually worshiping, becausethis is what worship really is
it's to love and protect andserve and celebrate the things
that God loves and created.
Or, as Taylor Swift would putit I'm the only one of me, baby,
(18:15):
that's the fun of me.
You're the only one of you and,baby, that's the fun of you.
Amen.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You've been listening to Resilient Faith.
The podcast Resilient Faith issponsored by Brentwood
Presbyterian Church in West LosAngeles.
You can follow our church andthis podcast on Facebook at
BPCTeam and Instagram at BPCunderscore USA.
Make sure to subscribe on yourfavorite podcast platform and
(18:55):
thanks for listening.
Welcome to Resilient Faith, the podcast.
Opportunities to find deeperresilience within ourselves can
come when life seems mostchallenging.
This podcast is to help youdevelop that resilience and
connection with God.
Being resilient and havingpower starts with faith.
(00:32):
Welcome, friends, to theResilient Faith podcast
sponsored by BrentwoodPresbyterian Church in West Los
Angeles.
We are sharing our sermons fromour recent series, the Gospel
(00:52):
According to Taylor Swift.
This was a six-week sermonseries in the fall of 2023.
It's important in this day andage to talk about current events
and pop culture in our worshipand be in dialogue with
Christian perspectives andscripture.
Using Taylor Swift's lyrics andsome of her songs as a
(01:15):
launching pad, we are discussingsome of the important issues
and looking through them with aChristian lens.
Thanks for listening and wepray that the Holy Spirit
reaches you through this series.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, we are so sad.
This is the last one of ourTaylor Swift series.
Boo, you know I have had somany of you ask me.
So when are you gonna talkabout this thesis, this doctoral
thesis that you're writing inworship, especially after this
summer where I went to havethese conversations, powerful
(01:52):
conversations with some of theclosest colleagues and best
friends of Archbishop DesmondTutu and Nelson Mandela,
unbelievable conversations.
But the problem is it's kindacomplicated.
I mean the thesis it's kindacomplicated.
I mean I barely understand itfor myself.
(02:12):
My thesis advisor, dr Willemann, is trying to get his mind
wrapped around it.
It is complicated, all of thethings I wanna say and do and
all of the different threadsthat I wanna pull into it.
Even the title is complicatedArchbishop Desmond Tutu's Amago
De Infused Version of Ubuntu asthe hermeneutical antidote to
(02:37):
the rise of toxic individualityin our world today.
Basically, what I wanna do is totry to unpack and explore this
age-old ontological dialectictension between individuality
and collectivism Since thebeginning of time, this
(03:00):
understanding that we werecreated to be in relationship,
that we were created to be incommunity with one another, but
also created to be individualsand unique, preciously created
by God.
I wanna take a look at some ofthese archetypal stories coming
from the beginning of time, asearly as the book of Genesis,
(03:22):
the stories of the rebellion inthe garden and the eating of the
fruit, the stories of Cain andAbel and the Tower of Babel.
I wanna pull in Darwin, charlesDarwin and his understanding of
the survival of the fittest andthe competition of species, and
this question that stumped himas to why, if we're all just
trying to perpetuate our genepool, why is it that sometimes
(03:43):
we're willing to jump on a handgrenade for our comrades in arms
or sacrifice our good forothers?
I wanna take a look at themeteoric rise of individuality
in the Western world, fromancient Greek thought to the
Roman Empire, to the ApostlePaul and Augustine and the
Enlightenment and the foundingof our country.
I wanna take a look at thesetensions between Marxism and
(04:08):
capitalism, between socialismand free, laissez-faire, free
economic society, betweenautocratic rule and democracy,
western and Eastern philosophyand the rise of this
nationalistic, xenophobicunderstanding of our world and
this fascination that we haveright now with fascism and
(04:32):
populism and toxic individuality.
And then I wanna takeArchbishop Desmond Tutu's
understanding of Ubuntu and lookat all that's going on, very
similar to what Martin LutherKing was saying with the beloved
community, what Gandhi wassaying, what Pope Francis calls
the Fratelli Tuti, what theSouth Koreans call the concept
(04:54):
of Jiyong, what the SouthAmericans call the concept of La
Familia.
I wanna take a look at this asa unifying lens to try to bridge
this gap between ourindividuality and our call into
community.
(05:16):
Do you see why I haven't talkedabout this in worship before?
You have an embraced version ofthat.
And how do we even begin to getat this fundamental existential
tension that's built into ourhuman existence?
How do we understand this ideaof a mago day, that each one of
(05:36):
us is created unique but to bein community?
It's hard for me to figure outuntil I saw the video me by
Taylor Swift.
You know it doesn't go quite asfar as my thesis goes.
(05:57):
It doesn't pull in all of thedifferent threads, but she does
a pretty remarkable job atunpacking, really, the central
convictions of this idea of theAmago Day.
Heck a lot more simplisticallythan I can, and so I would like
to present to you a Swiftonianresponse to Amago Day, wrapped
(06:22):
up in a very cute video.
How fun Amago Day.
Two simple sentences Baby,there's only one of me, and
(06:46):
that's the fun of me.
There's only one of you, baby.
That's the fun of you.
But God put it this way,starting in Genesis, chapter one
.
So God created mankind,humankind in his own image, in
the image of God.
(07:06):
He created them, male andfemale, he created them.
And then in Isaiah, chapter 64,yet you, lord, are our Father,
we are the clay and you are thepotter.
We are all the work of yourhand.
Well, today is World CommunionSunday.
(07:29):
It is that day that we cometogether with Christians all
over the world to be remindedthat not only are we tied
intimately, interconnectedly, toone another, but really to all
human beings across the face ofthis planet, all of those that
God created, and not just allhuman beings, but really every
(07:51):
animal and plant and mountainand stream and lake, all of
God's creation that God createdand loves and adores.
I often talk about the greatCroatian theologian, miroslav
Volf, in this place, and it'sfor a few reasons.
One, because I got to know himquite well when we were working
(08:11):
on a reconciliation conferencetogether in Croatia after the
Balkan War.
The other is that our formeryouth director oh my gosh, I
just drew a blank Our formeryouth director, angela.
Yes, angela, sorry, thank you,left here to go and work with
Miroslav Fulf at Yale University, but also because he really is
(08:36):
probably one of the bestthinkers who really is thinking
through this whole tension inour world between individualism
and community, between identityand belonging.
He agonized over the heartbreakof the Balkan War and as he kind
of came through it he realizedthat really at the heart of
(08:57):
everything is this issue thathuman beings have, between
identity and belonging, that weare born into a scary,
overwhelming world, and so froma very early age, we start
trying to find a place where wecan fit in, where we can be
ourselves.
What is my place in this world?
Who am I in this world?
(09:19):
What is my purpose?
And so he says that from a veryearly age, we start looking for
a group that we can fit in,with, that we can feel like we
belong to, where we can beourselves and find our identity.
And he says that the problemwith that, the only problem with
that, is, in order to have agroup where we are the insider,
(09:40):
we need other groups to be theoutsiders, the people who don't
belong to us.
And so we spend our livescreating these inside and
outside groups, and we'll creategroups around anything around
our skin color, our nations, ourborders, our territories.
(10:04):
Between our politics if we'reRepublicans or Democrats, we'll
create them.
Between the kind of work thatwe do, the places that we live.
We'll create them between oursocial or economic classes.
We'll even create them whetherwe are Bruins or Trojans.
And then in the religious world, we'll create them whether
(10:24):
you're Muslim or Christian orJew, even within the Christian
church, whether you'rePresbyterian or Catholic or
Baptist.
This is the great dilemma ofour human existence, especially
when we were created by God tobe in relationship, to be in
(10:45):
community.
What he says, the great gift ofbecoming a Christian is that we
find a new identity, we find anew sense of belonging.
Suddenly we don't have tocreate outside groups, because
we know that we belong to theone who created us and loves us
(11:05):
and adores us, and that not onlythat, but it attaches us to
everyone else in this entireworld and every other part of
God's creation, because we findour place in this intricate
design as one of the tiles of agrand mosaic.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu wasright that we are intricately,
(11:29):
inextricably connected in oneinseparable bundle of life and
in a very real sense, whateverhappens to one person around the
world happens to all of us.
When one person is dehumanizedor enslaved or brought down, our
humanity, all of our humanity,is diminished and diluted and
(11:55):
damaged.
And when one person anywhere inthe world is liberated or
rescued or healed, we're allempowered and freed Because,
whether we like it or not, weare intricately connected to one
another.
We see this with globalization.
We see this with what's beengoing on in our world over the
(12:17):
last few years the way that thepandemic tied us all together,
the way that these financialcrises and global insecurities
ties us together, that we areall going to rise or fall
together.
The apostle Paul talks aboutthis in his first book to the
Corinthians when he talks aboutall of us being members of one
(12:40):
body and the way that the bodyworks together and we can't deny
any part of the body.
Even the smallest parts that wedon't think are very important
are so important.
I mean, I know we've beentalking a lot recently and it's
been in a lot of the literatureabout the importance of
opposable thumbs, but do any ofus really have any idea what the
(13:00):
uvula does, that littlepunching bag in the back of our
throat, or the frenulum, thatlittle piece of skin up on our
upper lip.
Well, my brother was bornwithout a uvula and we found out
very quickly how important itis, with all of the sore throats
and the throat infections andear infections he was getting.
They say that if you don't haveone of these frenioms every
(13:21):
time you smile, you'll get bugsin your teeth.
And yet here is the way theapostle Paul put it In 1
Corinthians, chapter 12, he saysbut in fact God has placed the
parts of the body, every one ofthem, just as he wanted them to
be.
If they were all one part,where would the body be as it is
(13:44):
?
There are many parts, but onebody.
The eye cannot say to the hand,I don't need you.
And the head cannot say to thefoot, I don't need you.
On the contrary, those parts ofthe body that seem to be the
weakest are the mostindispensable.
And the parts that we think areless formidable we treat with
(14:07):
special honor, and the partsthat are unpresentable are
treated with special modesty,while our presentable parts need
no special treatment.
But God has put the bodytogether, giving greater honor
to the parts that lacked it, sothat there should be no division
in the body, but that its partsshould have equal concern for
(14:30):
each other.
If one part suffers, every partsuffers with it.
If one part is honored, everypart rejoices with it.
We are interconnected in waysthat we are only beginning to
(14:51):
understand, and it should havehuge consequences for the way we
understand ourselves and ourlives and our world and the way
that we act in it.
When we give our lives to God,we certainly remain as citizens
of whatever country we're borninto, as patriotic citizens of
(15:11):
whatever country we're born into, but we are called to a new
kind of citizenship, an evengreater citizenship, one to be
part of the citizenship of thekingdom of God, which carries
all new profoundresponsibilities and ways of
understanding that our primaryallegiance must now be to all of
God's creatures, to all ofhumanity, to all of God's
(15:35):
creation.
We've seen this in the lastnumber of years.
Nature itself is screaming atus in a million different ways
the fact that we areinterconnected, and when one
small thing gets hurt or damaged, it has ripple effects that
affect all of us.
We're seeing it over and overagain, and so, as we approach
(16:02):
this table on World CommunionSunday, let us never forget what
we talked about during WelcomeBack Sunday that this world is
not a beautiful place despiteour differences.
It is such a beautiful placebecause of our differences.
It is our diversity that makesthis tapestry whole and complete
(16:27):
and honoring to the one whocreated it and loves us.
As we come to this table, we arereminded that our primary
calling in life is to honor andrespect, to serve and uplift and
(16:48):
celebrate not just every humanbeing on this planet, but all of
God's creation every animal,every plant, every forest and
stream and ocean.
That when we are out cleaning anocean, when we save or protect
one stream or one forest, whenwe discover a new galaxy, when
(17:09):
we clean an ocean, when we savea species from going extinct,
when we have more humanetreatment towards other animals,
as we start to bring down ourguard and we open ourselves to a
group of people that we haven'topened ourselves to before, as
we go to the rescue of peoplearound the world who need our
(17:29):
help and we are there for thosewho suffer, not only are we
honoring and glorifying God, notonly are we finding our unique
place in the beautiful tapestrywhich is the grand design of
this creation that God hascreated and loves, but we are
(17:53):
actually worshiping, becausethis is what worship really is
it's to love and protect andserve and celebrate the things
that God loves and created.
Or, as Taylor Swift would putit I'm the only one of me, baby,
(18:15):
that's the fun of me.
You're the only one of you and,baby, that's the fun of you.
Amen.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You've been listening to Resilient Faith.
The podcast Resilient Faith issponsored by Brentwood
Presbyterian Church in West LosAngeles.
You can follow our church andthis podcast on Facebook at
BPCTeam and Instagram at BPCunderscore USA.
Make sure to subscribe on yourfavorite podcast platform and
(18:55):
thanks for listening.
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