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Ever wondered how a childhood in a hippie environment, a stint in the military, and a passion for skateboarding can intersect to forge a path of creativity and resilience? Our guest today, Scott Frias, embodies this unique journey, navigating the challenges of poverty and addiction to emerge as a multi-talented artist thriving in the DMV. Discover how he channelled his experiences into music and art, playing in two bands and founding the improvisational jam collective, 4our Flights Up. As you listen, you'll uncover the secrets of artistic expression that help connect diverse communities and the life lessons found in unexpected places, like skateboarding in parking garages.

Join us as we explore the vibrant Baltimore arts scene through the eyes of extraordinary artists like Will Shanklin and Matthew Grube (Respecting Perspectives Producer). From the spontaneous joy of freestyling in music to the profound influence of poetry and literature, Scott shares his journey of self-discovery and artistic revival! Learn about his experiences at gatherings  and the transformative power of verbal dexterity in life's challenging moments. Immerse yourself in the vibrant stories of creating communities in historic venues such as the Hooper House, and the collaborative spirit that fuels projects like TellerFest (Party For A Purpose).

Prepare for an exhilarating ride through rapid-fire questions that reveal quirky insights into our guest's world. From musings on creative inspiration to the playful exploration of personal growth, this episode promises a refreshing blend of humor and wisdom. You'll hear about Scott's ambitious plans to build an online platform, Metapainting.net, and their DIY approach to tackling life's challenges. Whether you're drawn to the allure of music, the complexities of personal reinvention, or the thrill of artistic collaboration, this conversation offers a testament to the enduring impact of creativity and community.

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
the respecting perspectives podcast is here for
you and I hope that in thefuture this can be something
that can inspire you and helpyou in turn again, help other

(00:35):
people in making music.
You have been reallyinfluential in my life.
I may not have been able to beall, be and like all the things,
but I saw you, dude, and Ireally respect the, the action
that you take in your life and,uh, tell, tell the RPP fam who

(00:58):
you are and you know whereyou're from and and a little
yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Great Well, thanks, thanks for bringing me on the
podcast and thanks for giving mespace to kind of talk through a
lot of the I mean, I thinkchanges and insights I've gotten
in my life as a result of a lotof times, great pain, you know.
After great pain of formalfeeling comes, I might quote
some poetry, because I went toschool for English and I really

(01:25):
loved it.
So what am I like?
Who is this cat?
All right, so I can.
I can say right now that youknow, I'm in a I'm over 40, for
sure and I'm living.
I'm living in Baltimore withand I have two bands one that's

(01:45):
getting off their ground and onethat we've played for like
three years.
We're cutting an EP soon, nice,and I'm kind of enjoying a
renaissance of my art, where I'mdoing a lot more art.
I'm actually going to be doinga collaborative painting
tomorrow at Patterson Park.
I'm doing it for one of thelocal bands.

(02:06):
Awesome, it's at Teller Fest.
Teller Fest, yeah, yeah, it'sgoing to be dope, I'll see you
there.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sureand so.
But who I am is an amalgam ofall the things I've ever seen
and experienced.
Right, amalgam, love that word.
So, like I, I love that word.

(02:26):
So I was born a hippie child.
I went through real poverty.
I was in foster care, wentthrough a little period of drug
addiction the cocaine was hugein the 80s when I was growing up
.
It got a lot of people.
Then I kind of found my way byjoining the military.
I stayed in there for quite along time, active for a little

(02:50):
while and then in the Guard fora good long time.
Gotcha, thank you for yourservice.
Oh yeah, it was my pleasure andI learned so much and really
helped.
I hoped to just except forright at the end exemplify all
the good things that a soldiercan be and also not beat it on

(03:11):
your head or wear it too hard.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know it's got to be a challenge.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Some people.
No, it wasn't, because somepeople will wear the retired.
I go to VA for my health care.
It's great, by the way, shoutout to ya, um and and there's,
there's a lot of cats over therethat have their, have all their
crazy hats on and it's likethey're showing it everywhere
they go, like I was in a war.

(03:35):
I was in a war, like somepeople who know, who know me,
don't even know that about me atall.
They're like you were military,you're an officer, you're a
commander, a commander, you didall that crazy shit and you were
in wars.
Like yeah, and that was part ofmy life, and like I kind of
transformed after that phase ofmy life.

(03:55):
It was an interesting sort ofbridge.
I took a year after I got outof full-time service and I did
really kind of nothing.
I worked on a novel, I learneda little bit how to play the
didgeridoo, oh there you go.
Not too much.
Not too much.
I can't do it now, so it sucks.

(04:16):
I have to get back into thegroove.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
It's not easy to do.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You don't practice right, dude it's not easy to do,
but I really, you do, but Ireally.
I started skateboarding inparking garages there was a
group of us the Baltimore Garage.
Skaters, skate kids oh, so muchfun.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And in fact Simpler times, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Right, In fact I have a little story.
So while we were doing this,we're at Wednesday night We'd go
out like 10, 8, 9, 30.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh, until you're taking me there, all right, it's
Wednesday night, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Wednesday night we're all meeting up at a parking
garage over here in downtown.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
All right, we meet at the spot there's like eight of
us.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
We'll meet up and we all go to the top of the parking
garage.
There's no cars in there andthose things, oh, super clean.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
So and then, and there's, there's a an elevator,
so it's an endless hill.
It's so we usually will skatetwo or three garages in a night.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Go, that's genius skate it.
Go to the skating skates sogreat.
So so I get in, so I finallyget a job.
I'm like I took that year off,I can't live forever without a
job.
So I get a job.
I happen to be helping this catthat's upstairs, one of the
execs and I I just you know.
He's like oh, I'm trying toteach my.
I saw you skateboarding becauseI skateboard down the hill, my
job.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
There's a hill in front of the job and they're
like who is this crazy dude onthe lawn?
No, I never fall no, no, Ilongboard.
Yeah, that's not, you don'thave time for oh, you're gonna
get hurt, yeah, bro yeah, Ican't do that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I love it when people tell me to do an ollie.
By the way, yeah, I'm on anelectric lawn board and they
want me to do an ollie, I flipthem off immediately.
But so he said, yeah, I'mtrying to teach my kid to
skateboard.
I said, oh yeah, it's not justlike down this hill.
I said we go at night in parkgarages, right.
Yeah, it me a number, so hecalled me right, so I get a call

(06:10):
from Linnea O'Neill.
Linnea O'Neill, like theaward-winning reporter from the
Washington Post internationally.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh, wow, okay, okay, the name sounds….

Speaker 2 (06:18):
She's a big deal reporter and she's at the cusp
of her career.
She's really great, okay.
She's really great, okay, she'sdoing well Someone you support.
I had no idea who she was.
She called me up and she saidwell, I'm Lene from the
Washington Post.
My husband told me a storytoday about skating in parking

(06:40):
garages, and I kind of couldn'tbelieve him.
And so can you.
What is this Tell me the story?
Garages, and I kind of couldn'tbelieve them.
And so can you.
What is this?
What is this Tell me the story.
So I spit poetry to her aboutit because it's a wonderful
thing to do you know, and she'slike kind of a tell me more
thing.
She says, well, when's the nexttime you're doing this?
It's Wednesday night.
Well, she's giving me theaddress.
I'd like to come out.

(07:00):
So she comes out and she bringsa photographer.
Uh-huh, and I brought a bikefor her so that she could flow
with us.
Oh nice, and we took her tothree garages and she came back
another night.
She came out two nights andthen another night, when we were

(07:20):
in town, she sent avideographer out.
What?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
That means you're dedicated, too, to your craft.
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So this girl did all this.
So then one day we're like whathappened?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
All my friends are like yeah, where'd the story go?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
What happened?
Right, it's like two monthslater or something, right?
Uh-huh, and it's a Tuesday.
Front page of the WashingtonPost.
Above the fold on the frontpage of the Washington Post is a
picture of one of my friends, afamous photographer I can't
remember his name right nowgoing down the corkscrew it's

(07:55):
all downhill from here.
It says it's a beautifulpicture and it leads into the
cover page of the style section.
Oh, shoot, there's a cover pageof the style section.
Page of the style section.
So there's a cover page of thestyle section.
It's like three pictures and abig leading paragraph for the
main article, which still isn'tthere.
Then you open up and then,across from the comics, the
whole full page, full pagearticle, another three photos

(08:16):
and all this crazy materialright, it's like the biggest I
know what I have never seen.
The photographer said that wasthe biggest orgy of uh, of uh
like they me and then onlinethey give them like 15 photos
online.
We had 15 photos online andvideo online.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, they treat us like kings.
That's the story waiting tohappen.
Right, there's stories outthere just waiting to happen.
Man, that's wild man.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I'm glad you could be a part of one like that, yeah
yeah, what was cool is the thingwe actually did, but what I
thought was interesting is justthe thing that we did.
That's what we do.
What was interesting was herresponse to show everyone this
cool thing we do.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right Share it.
Share the experience with abunch of people who wouldn't
maybe normally have been witheach other, and you can bring
bikes and all these other crazythings that are just like—.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
And people are sleeping and watching some
stupid show.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, sitting in them , get off your hands, no, so you
know what?
So, while I have you here, man,I mean there's really, you know
, so much that you know we cantalk about, but I want to give
you the uh, the baton and, uh,you know, are there any things
that you want to kind of bringor shed any light on right now

(09:33):
that you feel, um, is important?
Uh, you know, for people toeither information, like for
people to know, or like, maybelike a hardship or something
that you've been through, thatthat you can, you know, help
someone uh understand, like aparticular emotion or or whatnot
.
Uh, yeah, is there anythingthat you can bring to the

(09:56):
forefront?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
uh, you know that's a great question, um, because it
lets me kind of range free intowhat's actually meaningful now.
Yeah, because I mean, if youthink about the way the world is
and how hard it is to be ayoung person, right, I've had a
really great life, done a lot ofincredible stuff, but the world

(10:20):
was not as sort of tippy andnot as extreme and not as
intense.
Everything moves at triplespeed and then the speed gets
tripled and then, like it keepsdoing that.
It's been doing that my wholelife, um, and it's gonna do it
your whole life.
It's gonna do it your wholelife, man, it's gonna.

(10:42):
It's gonna be a roller coasterof change that you have to adapt
to and each phase of your lifeyou're kind of in that phase,
you're paying attention to thatphase.
I just can't imagine being like18 years old right now and kind
of looking at the world anddeciding, well, what am I going
to do?
You know, kind of looking atthe world and decided, well,

(11:05):
what am I going to do?
You know, right, that's why Ipicked up a uh, another uh
protege, because it's superimportant to take somebody who
is young and smart, and and loveand, and and has drive and and
say I learned all this stuff.
Yeah, let me show you a coupleof these things.
Yeah, check, check out thesegems like here's here I I know
this wizard way to makepaintings, that that I can have

(11:26):
the crowd make the painting.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And I'm teaching Josh how to do it.
And a dear friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Josh who?
What's his name?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
What's his fucking?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
last name Bruce Jones .

Speaker 2 (11:38):
He has.
Yeah, he's Bruce Jones,b-u-s-s-j-o-n-e-s.
Go check him out.
I don't want to blow up hislast name on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
He's actually going to be on the podcast sometime
soon.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, he's a fantastic cat.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
They'll be able to catch up with him at some point.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
He'll tell you a little bit about what we're
doing.
Nice plug, the point I tookright with I was just saying
Tristan, my first reallyincredible helper, taking the
art that I was doing, which wasall by hand, routing, and really

(12:14):
taking it to the next level andlearning how to illustrate or
CNC, and going through theclasses and making it happen.
Going through the classes andmaking it happen, I think the
thing that I would say this isthe best piece of wisdom I know,
just about Drop it, drop it.
Most people are stuck in a loop, tell them, and they're bound

(12:42):
by their limiting beliefs.
Sir, when you realize that youcan do whatever you want
tomorrow and anything that seemsimpossible to you, it's not
that, oh, take the first step,oh ho, like some kind of a thing

(13:03):
.
But you could try shit that youwould never think was possible
to try.
Like, I started doing art at 47years old.
Okay, have you done any art yet?
How young are you, sir?
I am 38 years old, so you couldtake another nine years off of

(13:24):
doing art.
Don't even do any art.
Then you could take anothernine years off of doing art
Don't even do any art.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Then you could just at 47,.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, let me see how do you do art and then how could
I do it?
Like, my art is unique becauseit's the way I do it.
Everyone's art.
You know how people have aunique brush stroke.
They have a look to their art.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Oh for sure, If.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I look at Will Shanklin's art it blows me away.
He's so fantastic, hey man.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
And Harrison.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, and Harrison, I mean it's also great.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
We got it and.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Renee, oh Renee, love it.
All the art monkeys.
I'm having such a hard timeremembering everybody's names.
I'm so terrible at names, butthe point is, everybody has
their own little certain touchand the thing I think, if we can

(14:19):
talk about me for one secondthat makes me unique is that I I
almost can't.
I love making other peoplehappy and I love getting people
past their barriers I I've beendoing it.
I've been doing it in differentways because it just seems the

(14:42):
most gratifying thing you can dofor somebody.
Making somebody else feel good,right, let them find their edge.
I started this improvisationaljam collective in my house
called Four Flights, about sevenyears ago.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
It was a staple in Baltimore for sure you should be
extremely proud of that.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
We did a few events, um, over the five years.
Um, we did about, we did abouttwo dozen out events, which was
great, you know, and in over 200at the house, but it was the
out ones.
The out ones were so great,like woodland man all.
I'll tell you the story we gotchallenged to.

(15:28):
A friend of mine asked me if hehad the whole lineup A duel.
No, he had the whole lineup ofWoodland but he didn't really
have an opening act right.
So there was a 1.30.
It was 1 to 2.30 was open.
Okay, 1 to 2.30.
That's a two, you know, one, Imean one to two.
One to 2.30 was open.
Okay, one to 2.30.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, that's a nice little spot.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
He said can four flights do it?
And I had.
We had been running about eightmonths and people were coming
over, regular people.
You know the community wasbuilding.
We probably had, we had a lotof momentum.
It was before all thecarjackings and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
No, dude, there was a time I know you, I mean you
really had some nice momentumwith that.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It was cool to see.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
On Facebook.
You were seeing it on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
We were doing a thing , so what's so great is?
So we made, so I decided thatwe could take that time and we
made four bands and each bandgot 15 minutes right and then

(16:30):
you have to build in the thatother last 15, 20 minutes for
transitions between all the ofcourse, right, uh and we.
And we ended up having a uh, asoundcheck band that was full of
the extra funky crazies.
Oh, it was the dude.
They're so dope.
The soundcheck was beyond dope.
Full of the extra funky crazies.
Dude, they're so dope.
The soundcheck was beyond dope.
It was like all of a suddenthere's this raging jam going on

(16:51):
.
I think Steve-O was on thedrums, joey 2G's was on guitar,
I think we had Frankie on thebass.
It was crazy and you wouldn'tnormally they warmed the stage
up.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
They weren't even one of the bands.
You know what?
Let's make a shout out toMatthew Gruby and the rhythm
royale that he has right now.
What?
A thing it actually occurs inthe watermelon room here and man
, it's where we.
It's the musical version ofkill tony.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think that's the vibe yeah, whose line is it
anyway, yeah yep, and different.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
You know, there's a, there's a few wheels, and we
pick.
Uh, you know, each instrumenthas its own wheel and that's how
your band is made.
And uh, man, you got everythingfrom keyboard to a few guitars,
some bass.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Sometimes a saxophone or a harmonica, something like
that.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, you get so many different people that wouldn't
normally play together, butthey're up on this stage so got
to shout out.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
And then they do something.
Who's the producer?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
of this show.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah, matt, you're the boss, you're the boss
, boss.
And then they do this crazything where they take AWOL and
me and they make us make up asong.
Oh, yeah, they give us the keyof the song for the musicians,
the style of the song, style,and then it's what the song is

(18:23):
about Yep.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
We make crazy scenarios.
And then it's what the song isabout Yep, we make crazy
scenarios.
And then how you feel yeah,yeah, right, when you come in,
what?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
emotion.
Yeah, yeah, when you come in,they ask you, Matt asks everyone
some people give several.
Matt asks everyone to say giveme a scenario, you know?
So that's what ends up on thewheel.
So you make a song on the spot,On the spot.
It you make a song on the spot,on the spot it is such a fun.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Oh man, the whole freestyle.
Let me tell you, when I wasyounger, freestyling was the
thing that helped me stayconnected with lots of different
people and settings.
Let me ask you I know we weretalking about poetry and you
really do have a poetic side toyou you know, and where does

(19:08):
that come from, man?
Like where, where do you feel?
Like you know the poet in youeither comes from, or or you
know where does it lie, like youknow how can you put like a?
Can you put, you know, somedescription to it?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I think so.
My, my mother, uh, was an avidreader and read to us as a child
.
I read to my daughter, uh, as achild.
I have two beautiful kids adaughter son, my, and three
grandkids uh and and and I justI can't be, I can't be more
surrounded by love um what wejust said.

(19:43):
I'm just, I just see them.
See them in my mind's eye.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
No, it's okay, Take it where you want to.
Man, I really was kind of just,you know, being a poet, you
really have, you know, I knowyou're probably writing
something in the back of yourhead right now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I have to say it's my mother being really excuse me
me my mother being reallydedicated to uh, making language
a priority in our lives.
And even though I had, likethat broken childhood thing, I
had a great foundation, uh andum, you can tell and kind of,
and I had a natural ability with.
Language was always easy for meand Language arts were always

(20:22):
easy for me.
So I think it was, you know,once I decided, once I went to
school there's a lot ofcomplicated life in there.
I'm not going to get into it,of course, always is.
And I ended up getting myEnglish degree because it was

(20:43):
the best thing I could pick.
That was just pure wisdom.
Only philosophy could hold acard to it.
But philosophy isn't.
And physics I love me.
I love microbiology andchemistry and physics and
anthropology.
I love so many scientificdisciplines.

(21:03):
They're just so rife with greattruths.
I like the way you said that.
But poetry has been sort oflike.
When I first came to BaltimoreI went to Zelda's Inferno and it
was a weekly poetry gathering.
I met I got to meet Alice andTom and some people that are
staples in my life in Baltimoreto this day uh, burners, uh, and

(21:27):
, and I mean I think I took sucha long road from there to
running karaoke.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Think about everything that led up to that,
too, to running, running thefour flights and really
improv-ing in four flights,improvisational live lyric, um,
and and that that it was abridge from all the song lyrics
that I memorized and all thepoetry that I memorized and did

(21:55):
you memorize this poetry orthese words, you know, for a
particular reason, or or was it,was it?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
you know what were you, what were you trying to
achieve when, when, storingthose, you know, those, those
things all right.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
So this is a, this is another piece of wisdom that
y'all can take with you forever.
Uh, and I don't mean to beswaggy about that, but there's
certain things that you can dothat help your whole life, um
get swag exquisite, exquisitemental jewelry.
okay, if you go deep into atopic, and and and you find like

(22:36):
for and and and you know it,you, you can, you can recite it,
you've, you've, you, you're,you're conversant with it at a
high degree.
It's basically movement towardmastery.
Once you have the framework formastery of a thing, you can
adapt that to almost anythingelse in your life.
So, and the other thing is allthe things that you put in your

(23:01):
head, like all the shows youknow.
You can go and quote a showwith your buddy and they know
the show.
You can go line by line and do100 shows.
Those are all lodged in yourmind, they're all Somewhere,
they scintillate.
One of the things that I usedto do was.
Scintillate.
What does scintillate mean?
It means they shine withflickering brightness.

(23:22):
Cool, let it shine.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Sorry, I interrupted you asking that's okay, it's
okay.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I took poetry with me everywhere when I was going
down the ice wall.
There was a class I took atWinter Mountain Warfare School
up in.
Jericho Vermont winter mountainwarfare school.
Up in jericho, vermont, and um,you have these claws on your
feet, crampons and zaxxas, andclimbing up ice walls and stuff,
and then we would rappel downand when I would rappel down I
would recite shakespeare,because I could, because you

(23:56):
could, right and everybodycalled me extra layer, baby you
know I like, always like to be.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
It was helped you stay in the moment.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Maybe you know yeah, no, I mean, what was very
interesting about that wholething was there was an Irish cat
who was about to get thrown outof the army and somehow they
threw him into this class and hewas a real dick and he was
trying to pick on me.
He was trying to be mean to me.
The problem was I was good at alot of stuff.
It's kind of hard to pick onsomebody that's good at stuff
yeah, right well actually I'mbetter at that than you.

(24:26):
Actually, you can say what youwant, like you're just you're
being like you sound like athat's how you know he's a dick
too.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
You sound like a child bully.
Yeah, you don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, I, I would just cut him.
I'll just cut him back down.
I don't.
I'm not, nobody's gonna give meany shit.
Yeah, I grew up tough.
I grew up in hard circumstancesright, you have.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You learn how to.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You learn how to kind of what, what to juke, you know
yeah so so, and I used to usemy mouth to get me out of
everything.
So you think you're gonna pinme down with your mouth, right?
But anyway, uh, and it was sogreat to bring poetry out to
everywhere that I've been like,when I go to Burns sometimes
I'll just gift poetry.

(25:05):
And you think that's silly,right?
Hold on when, in disgrace withfortune in men's eyes, I all
alone beweep my outcast stateand trouble deaf heaven with my
bootless cries and look uponmyself and curse my fate,
wishing me light to one morerich in hope, featured like this

(25:32):
man, with friends possessed,desiring this man's art and that
man's scope, with what I mostenjoy, contented least yet in
these thoughts, myself almostdespising, happily, I think, on
thee.
And then my state, like to thelark arising from heaven's earth

(25:53):
, sings hymns at heaven's gateFor thy sweet love remembered,
such wealth brings that, then Iscorn to change my state with
kings.
That's a Shakespeare song Ilike to, sometimes I'll.

(26:13):
There's a lot of different ones, I don't know why that one came
up.
If it's for a girl, I'll dosomething very romantic If it's
in a moment where we're inrepast and we're in nature.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I know some several that fit that scene perfectly
from a variety of poetscommunicated, you know, through
through shakespeare, and, and,and, even at such a time period
that you, you know, imagine isso different than than right now

(26:52):
.
Why does it feel like thatstuff, you know, was either
written for, for timelessness?
Um yeah, how?
How do you think that?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
it's just.
It's just the uh, this is themental jewelry bit too right.
The reason that I was always inlove with Shakespeare as soon
as I figured out how to read it,is that it's the most dense,
clear way to say so many thingsin the most offhanded way.

(27:30):
It's so difficult to say athing that you like.
Poetry, they say, descriptivewriting, is to say exactly what
you mean in the clearest waypossible.
In poetry, it's just theopposite.
Right, but it's just theopposite.
Right, but it's not true.
If you think about this, right?

(27:50):
I would outbrief Candle Life isbut a walking shadow, a poor
player that struts and frets hishour upon the stage and then is
heard no more.
It's a tale told by an idiot,full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.
Like it's he.

(28:11):
He dashes away the meaning oflife.
So, but how?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
do you think he was able to to gather like these
experiences that?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
he was a genius.
He was a.
He was a.
He was a.
Um he could take on a persona.
He would just take on a personaand think in that persona.
It goes line by line.
If you read Shakespeare, it'slike different voices.
It's all these different voices.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, you can tell it's coming from different
places, different people.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, different, and it just runs in a row.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Man, let me ask you this um, you know, if you could,
I'd like for you to give me alittle bit more information on
like four flights up itself.
Um, and where did like theinspiration itself, you know,

(29:04):
you know, come from, to be ableto create that community, you
know, and and allow people tobuild their inner want for music
.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Wow, good question.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Um cause.
You represent a community.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
To me you really do like whether, no matter how much
time is in between, thatdoesn't when we start the new
jam at the new space pretty soonit's going to be weekly again.
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I guarantee that do you want to shout any info about
it right now?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
yeah, no, well, it's probably going to the jam chat
on Four Flights.
Four Flights Up is a group onFacebook.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Will you spell it out Number four, number four.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
O-U-R Flights Up.
Four Flights Up, and there's aFour Flights family which is a
page.
Four Flights Up as a group.
The group is where it's at.
Okay, there group, the group iswhere it's at okay, um, there's
, you know, under 2 000 members,uh, but they're all local,
baltimore, a lot it's just tonsand tons and tons of musicians
in that group.
G baltimore cats and uh and wehave a little jam chats, that

(30:14):
that music, information, thingsthat are going on comes out.
Yeah, yeah, but aside from, Imean, um, really, uh, we're
going to be trading paint withMatt for Rhythm Royale.
We'll be publishing andshouting out and commenting on
all of Rhythm Royale.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Tell me a little bit about the meta painting that
you've been talking about, theone that's coming up tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I will tell you how I thoughtabout Four Flights.
Very briefly is to say I wastrying.
I'll tell you how I thoughtabout four flights very briefly
is to say, I'll tell you aboutthat too, but for four flights I
had this I was trying to find ajam.
I was trying to find the jamhe's looking for a jam.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Where's the jam?
And he can't.
It's not even dude jam, Icouldn't find it.
It's not even the couch.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's not in the Look hold on Dude Jam.
I couldn't find it.
So then I saw Is that there?
Then I saw Field of Dreams.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh, no, no I didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's a lie.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
No.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's a lie.
No, no.
Then I put, I swear to you, Iput this will of want out in the
world.
I actually threw three open micjams at a place that I was
staying in, cewebo, for a littlewhile.
Oh, there you go.
I tried to pick that up, it'scalled the Carrot House.
It had a long steady history.

(31:41):
Right, got a few things going,but I just didn't know at the
time, I didn't know enoughpeople, but they all helped me.
Later on We'll get to that,Okay, then I just was willing
for it, looking for it, and thenI have a friend who's a
producer, rodney Daniel, a greatproducer.
Shout out to Rodney and he inthe house.

(32:01):
Morpheus Studios is in thebasement.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Oh nice.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
And also Lord Baltimore recording and Morpheus
Studios in the basement.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
And so they produce so much hip hop there and a lot
of great stuff.
I mean, a lot of great bandshave gone through and just
recorded in that room.
Okay, history, history for sure.
And the house, the Hooper House, is a four-story mansion that
was built by James Hooper, whowas a sale guy, and my apartment
happened.
No, no, so the guy who wasrunning the music studio.

(32:34):
He had a beautiful wife andthey were having a baby.
And you can't have a baby whenyou live on the top of a
commercial building with leadpaint in it.
Oh yeah, it's time to go out thehouse, right?
Yeah, you need to.
So he needed to rent out thatapartment, but it had to be
somebody special, because thewhole building is a commercial
building and that's the onlyapartment in there, so he could
make enough money to support it.
Gotcha, so enter me.

(32:56):
And he said, hey, I got yourguy and I came up and I talked
to David and he seemed.
And then, dude, when I wentthere, upstairs was a widow's.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Did you have a plan for something like this ahead of
time?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, I was just I was willing.
I said I was willing it intothe world.
Okay, I was living with mygirlfriend at the time, which I
don't recommend.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And she's a lovely.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Shout out to Tina I still love you he loves you.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You're great.
Shout out to Tina I still loveyou, he loves you.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I truly do.
I'm never going to not loveTina.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Never will not.
So I love Tina, but I realize Ineed to be more rambunctious.
We were together for a longtime after I moved out of the
house.
She's a great woman.
So I go there and I check outthe place and it's cool.
And then I say, well, what'sthat?
And there's a ladder and itgoes up and there's a widow's

(33:51):
walk on the top of the house andthere's this dome inside the
room and you can see this littleglass you could see up and I go
up in there and he has likepaint cans and like, oh, he's
using it like an attic.
Oh goodness, you've been there.
Yeah, it was like in.
He was like he was like a stickstuff up their attic oh jesus,

(34:12):
no, that, see that no dude youdon't
so that's disrespectful.
That was disrespectful becauseyou saw, yeah, to the spot, to
the spot.
So then.
So then it took about six,eight months for me living there
, having a living room, puttinga little few of my musical
things, had a friend come overplay some music.

(34:33):
It was like this is a greatspot, yeah, right.
And then I had a little studioand I'm like, how does this?
And then I met Tristandownstairs at the studio and
rodney was coming up, uh, acouple other friends, uh, and
there was a little bit ofmomentum, momentum, tom came
over like I, I would have alittle thing.

(34:54):
You can see the very early uh.
Uh, it wasn't wasn't quite fourflights up yet.
Okay, um, I, I had to go I didthis two or three or something.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
It was well time.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, I hadn't named it, I hadn't realized, because I
had people.
You know, what got it named Waspeople complained they had to
bring an amp Right up the.
You cannot say that I didn'tknow.
It was four flights up.
Uh-huh To me ever.
Yeah, no, it's not possible.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right, you got to be like listen, you know what's
going on as soon as you walk inthat door.
You know that first floor dooryou know you're going to be.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
whatever you're carrying, don't be crying.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Honest and upfront.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I wanted to just put that out there.
I like it, so I actually.
It was quite an interestingthing.
I went to do a painting a 10foot by 2 foot long painting,
three different panels.
It says Resolution Revolution.
We did it at the 2016Democratic National Convention
and some protests at thePhiladelphia City Hall, oh, wow.
So we were on Young Turks and acouple newscasters and stuff.

(36:00):
So, yeah, I was just doing mybig collaborative art, painting
stuff in the middle of thisplace, and when the 16th
election was done and BernieSanders got mugged in the night
and robbed of delegates and thewind came out of me, my desire
to be active in the Americanpolitical system just was over,

(36:20):
yeah, and so I said but thething to do is to act locally.
Do something that you know youcan leave a footprint, you know
you can improve it.
Right, I would run for officeif I gave a shit I can't do that
you can do anything you want.

(36:41):
I mean I used to think I had toomany hinky things in my past.
There's absolutely no way withthe people that have been.
Anyway, I could do it if Iwanted to.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Put it on the back burner.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, no but more I wanted to.
It was local office.
That's the thing.
Be on the thing that is makingsomething.
Think globally, act locally.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You could be able to see it, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I thought, if there are enough musicians coming
through here, that not only Icould find a band, but the other
musicians could find each other.
Because, I couldn't find theplace where other musicians
found each other.
Where is the place wheremusicians find each other?
They find each other at clubswhen they're playing.

(37:29):
They find each other whenthey're camping out, special at
camp out festivals, right?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
So musicians get to know each other.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
They're on the same line when you come to Rhythm
Royale when you watch a RhythmRoyale broadcast, you're going
to see a host of great Baltimoremusicians, everybody from Tom
Brady to I mean John Brady,rather, to like just I can't
even start listing people fromevery band.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, you know, because there's so many, there's
so many.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I feel, the mist so many, and what's great, too, is
that it is a great blend of thepeople who are part of my
community, a lot of the FourFlights Up people who are
dedicated of my community, a lotof the four flights up people
who were dedicated cyclicjammers and cats that hadn't
actually come through my placebecause they were playing clubs
all the time and doing the thingalready right um, and so that's

(38:22):
what's on, who's on the stage,and, and so it does really
showcase a lot of the growth andexpansion of baltimore music as
time's gone by.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Um, dude, it's a jazzy thing, honestly it's.
It's, it's everyone by Dude.
It's a jazzy thing, honestly,it's everyone.
And sometimes even if it's likesomething that you're not like
a thousand percent, you know youdon't call yourself like a
master in like a particularinstrument.
You don't need to be, you knowthat's the fun part.
Maybe it's you know you kind offeeling out a situation of like

(38:51):
if you want to be in a band ornot.
You know, maybe this will helpyou kind of figure it out.
You know, um, it's cool to beable to like think about the
different possibilities.
You know that we can, all youknow, be in, and I think it
comes to like respectingperspectives and you know, like
thinking about, you know, eachdifferent view from you know a

(39:17):
particular um advantage point.
You know, uh, it really makesyou think and appreciate your
own for sure, you know.
So I appreciate you kind ofbreaking down that.
Uh, you know that.
Uh, the fourth lights's up.
But then tell me a little bitabout the meta painting.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
All right, so one of the things You've got to stop on
.
Yeah, so when I went to myfirst festival, you know who got
me to that festival.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
God, michael Morstein .
Oh yo Shout out, michaelMorstein, oh yo shout out.
Michael Morstein.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Actually just did an interview with him Frania yes,
dude, michael Morstein shout outto that motherfucker dude,
that's awesome, that's the firstfestival I went to that was I
went to the woods without armygear and at that festival I
invented metapainting wow therewas a, tell me, there was a
painting leaning against thechair.

(40:15):
when I came in in the frontwhere there was a chair and it
said paint me on it right.
And I got there early.
You know sunset on Fridays Ican't get my stuff all camped up
and then you can't ignorebeauty, danger or food.
I'm not beautiful or dangerous,so I brought food.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I beg to differ.
You're beautifully dangerous.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And so, after it was up 11 o'clock or so, I brought
out breakfast for about 20 andhad people help me prepare it so
we could all eat together.
There you go, because that'show you do that right and um,
and I, I brought this board outspecifically so I could use my
cot as a table, um, but then I,I, I had this, I had this

(41:07):
thought.
I was like, well, maybe, thatpainting that's up front, how
did you know it was sodissatisfying.
Remember, I was a military guy,right, how do you know where
you paint?
Why wouldn't everybody justpaint on everyone else?
Why can't we have just littlespots where everybody can paint
their own painting?
Yeah, for sure.
So I made literally a grid ofsquares.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
It's like a group.
It's a group.
Yeah, I made a grid of squares.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, it's a group.
Yeah, I made a grid of squares.
Yeah, like a quilt almost, andto this day, every meta painting
I ever make has one square onit.
Find the square.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Oh, there you go Easter egg baby.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I have an Easter egg in every one.
Nice, find the square, find thesquare.
So then I paint one, and I getsomebody else to paint one and I
scrabble paint from people andI'm being even social just that
way.
Yeah, I put a light on it and Iget six people, then eight
people, then 10 people, and itgot filled up over the weekend,

(42:01):
oh really, and I got to meet somany interesting people Like
that was my bridge to get tomeet new people at this festival
?
I didn't know anybody.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Let me uh, I was just at autumn revival this past
weekend and, um, let me tell youthey really did it upright and,
uh, super appreciative to havethose cats, you know just uh,
making moves in particular waysyou know, um, but there were a
few artists that were doing that, that had like a painting going

(42:31):
throughout the whole weekend,and you know there were
opportunities for everyone andanyone to just come up, you know
, paint a little, you know alittle slither of it and then,
uh, you know, move on to thenext and I thought that was
pretty cool you know.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
So it was.
It was that interesting.
It was directed image, so youkind of would do a part of the
image as it was happening.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
It wasn't though.
That's a piece that you'remissing, or that's the piece
that I think would be cool to bethere.
If, like there, you do have alittle bit of a guide, I guess
you could say like already youknow, and it's kind of like a
paint by you know numbers,almost it makes it a little bit
easier for the person.

(43:18):
It it warms them up and opensthem up a little bit to the, to
the painting itself.
Because I feel like, if you'renot that you know, if you don't
consider yourself a creativeperson, creating something out
of just a blank canvas isintimidating for a lot of people

(43:38):
, I think.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I like the way you're saying this.
Yeah, I keep going.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
But if you put some lines and add some borders and
give them a little bit of anudge, I think, and give them
some paint, and give them somepaint and give them the light
and a little chair and give themsome direction, and sometimes
hand them paint and give him thelight and a little chair and
give him some direction, andsometimes I hand him water and
smoke a doobie with him.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Like you're going to get some deluxe ass treatment at
my station.
Yes, dude, anyway.
So I love that.
Yeah, no, I love how you say itand see it, because it is true
that restriction breedscreativity Restriction.
It's very interesting it seemsCreativity man.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I remember hearing about that recently.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Maybe constraint is slightly better, right.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Constraint breeds creativity.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Like there's certain things.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I read that in like a Rick Rubin book recently that
highlighted that and that saidthat you know, if something is
kind of in a particular,although it's not the majority,
there's only like a specialpercentage.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I keep knocking this mic all
around.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
you're okay, there's a, there's a particular
percentage, I think a smallpercentage of people that will
then think outside of the boxbut I think you know the, the,
the, the lower percentage willbe be okay with the, the
parameters they have.
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Right, it's box edging, box thinking or being
comfortable.
Yeah.
Or being comfortable in anuncomfortable situation, yeah,
Like when they give us that songtitle, whenever they said
Grubhub messed up your order andyou're angry about it and it's

(45:33):
a, a pop song yay let's do it.
I had to be now creative, be inthe crazy right now.
So there's no sort of like andI think, talking about.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
It too is important too.
That's why we do it.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I guarantee that's why we do it.
That's why we do it, though.
I guarantee that's why you doit.
Yeah, because what a thrill itis for you to come up here and
be fronting a band on on pointlike that yeah, yeah, right,
right, so gift, so create socreativity is sometimes the
constraints, the the song.
This reason I'm saying this yeah, it's because the song frame,
just like in my meta paintings,when I make some I make, some of

(46:15):
the shapes are proscriptive,like I'll have a shape that's in
two.
What does that mean?
That means that it's a veryspecific thing.
In other words, if I cut outthe silhouette of a violin, it's
very notably a violin andthat's your shape.
So you're doing a violinbecause that's your shape.
So you're doing a violinBecause that's all the paint

(46:35):
spot you've got to paint Gotcha,and in fact it's almost like
you blew it if you don't basecoat or make sure that you do
your frame of the violin.
So when I pull the tape offfrom around that violin that
violin's going to disappear.
Oh, cool, gotcha Because there'snothing there, but it's just a
piece of wood.
Yeah, gotcha, because there'snothing there, but it's just a
piece of wood.
Yeah, gotcha, except I do apainting on YouTube.
But anyway, that's why it'scalled a metapainting, because

(46:55):
first they make a painting andthen everybody paints on my
painting.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Okay, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
A painting in a painting is a metapainting and
that's why I named it that way.
Okay, so you actually yourpainting is the thing that is
the foundation, is the painting,and then everybody paints in it
.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I love that man.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
They get disappeared.
I take a picture of them andthen they get disappeared.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
They turn into something totally different.
Yeah, they evolve, they evolve.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
They evolve by sequential relationships.
Ooh, they just grow.
It's like they grow feet andjust kind of.
And then I know somebody comesup to me and I say, ah it, it is
an effectively a uh net that Ican drag through a crowd, a burn
artscape, uh, even just on thestreet in fells point.
I've done it in a lot ofdifferent places inside a club

(47:44):
and wave um.
You could drag the paintingthrough the crowd.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
You know like you need to have some sort of
document.
That would be cool to see it.
I personally want to see thetransition.
It's an extra layer.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, no, it's a great thing.
I think it deserves to be seen,right?
Yeah, I agree with you Becauseit is such a.
It's like one person, it'scaptivating.
It's live painting, whereveryou are right.
Sometimes it's two or three.
I had one painting where I madeit really long and four people
at once could paint it, and thisthing, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh, at one time.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, it's beautiful, right, and the reason that it's
beautiful is because peoplehave their little spot, so
they're not messing on everyother place and do you tell them
you point to it?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
you say, hey, here's a spot here.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I say what number?
There's all little numbers onit.
It's all what I do is I make apainting and then I cover it
with plastic and then I bisectit into shapes that are roughly
the size of your hand and thenthat's going to break up the

(48:52):
palette into some things.
But okay, if I make it into, ifI cut the outside board into
the space of a shape of aspaceship and I paint a
spaceship, right, what I'm goingto do is I'm going to apply on
that masking layer, I'm going tooutline the space invader.
I'm going to outline aspaceship with a little beam
coming out of it.
Okay, I'm going to make certainaspects of it be very, very
space-related.

(49:13):
Gotcha, right.
And then there's all theintervening space and there's
all the after those get done,because those always go first.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
And how do you design the?
Are these all like hand-drawndesigns?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
It's a mix It'll go from I take a draft of whiskey
and make all the lines at once.
That was one of my first, likethe fourth one.
Okay To projecting Flight ofthe Bumblebee onto the board.
Oh that's cool and tracing itout with my hand.

(49:44):
Okay, to taking a light box andtaking the image that I want,
printing it out at the scalethat I want and putting it over.
Now this new vinyl-backedplastic cover.
I used to use this crazy spacetape that could attract cat fur
from the sun.
It was like, oh my god.

(50:07):
But now you evolve, you alwaysfind new ways to do the things
right, and so now I can go backthrough that and really control
shapes.
I also love to use Frenchcurves now, so I have little
different things that I'll useas tools, because I'm not an
artist.
Remember, I told you I startedat 47.
I think I said that we wentover this, right, but I am an

(50:28):
artist.
I truly am For sure.
But I am an artist.
I truly am For sure Becausethey developed a way to express
the things that layers likeogres are made.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Oh sure you weren't supposed to tell them.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
That's what I mean, and so one of the things I do in
my work, which you can findMeta Painting on Instagram and
Facebook.
It's really easy.
There you go, um, and I have ameta paintingnet.
I own it, but I haven't put thesite up yet, but I have.
I have my whole portfolio gotshot like two weeks ago, so I
realized it was like it's like35, almost 40 paintings, so so

(51:04):
those are all going to be upthere, um, and man let me tell
you something, as you weresaying that the process of like
the flight of the bumblebees andlike different ways to create
lines in art.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
It made me think I, you know, I have a when, there's
times when I'm a little bitstuck in the songwriting phase,
I will take a track and I will,like, you know, I'll take the
speaker and I'll like face itdown, you know, and like where
it's kind of really muffled.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Hear it differently.
Yeah, perspective.
You are a perspective, dude,I'm telling you, man.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
And then there will be times where I'll like take
the whole track itself and, likeyou know, I'll get the track
outs and I'll have all theinstruments and everything like
that, and then just take out afew instruments and it'll just
be like you know, two or threelayers, and, man, that will help
me think of something totallydifferent, that that wasn't in

(52:06):
the beginning, that, like then,like once everything's there,
you're like how in the heck did,did that, did that sound?
Come up and and and when itdoes, it's a beautiful thing.
And I just recently did it with, with, with with one or two
tracks that, um, you knowthere's a, you know that's.
That's a gem for, for forsongwriters out there.

(52:27):
You know, right, you know, inlike different, uh, with
different like circumstances.
You know, with in likedifferent, uh, with different
like circumstances.
You know, maybe like play itlike in the car, but like sit in
the back seat instead you knowand yeah, and listen to it.
Do you think differently?
You know the coolest thing,like when we were just at like
the, the festival.
You know when you're like 300feet from where the main stage

(52:50):
is.
You know, you just hear the,you just hear the yeah, you know
you just got.
And you know you just got.
And, man, that's when I do mybest.
Songwriting is when I just havelike that, I just got that
thing in the background and thenI can like shine like a mofo
right, right out front.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, that sounds great, because it sounds to me
like like you're, you're, you're.
There's enough of the humanmusical vibration, which we're
electric beings you know, and wefeel each other.
We're like little radars, youknow, we project out from our
eyes a little bit.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I am a very extremely science-based guy, but I also
believe in the electromorphospace, if you follow Michael
Levin's work.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
And there's a lot of interesting things.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
There's also fascinating work that's going on
on the natural consciousness,particularly put together by
Roger Penrose and someanesthesiologists and great
experimentalists in India.
I'm not going to drop so manyscientist names because I just
absolutely love this crazy stuff.
All the time we were justtalking about songwriting man

(53:57):
being under the gun, like wewere preparing, uh, we were
opening for asa, uh at uh, um,at uh, eight by ten, uh-huh.
So we were practicing songs atmy house because I made a couple
bands that went just like onetime to 8x10.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
That's a venue that's in Baltimore City, down in the
city, so we would always have atleast two or three bands.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
We would present as four flights, but then we would
have two bands within it, two tofive bands.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
A transformer of bands.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, it's a transformer of bands.
We are, the four flights up cango somewhere, and it's like a
transformer of bands.
We turn and we could turn intoone big band at the end.
I mean seriously, no, dude, Imean that's mind-blowing.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
You were talking about like four an hour.
You got an hour and then yougot four band meetings.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Plus we had the head five.
We had a transformer dude thereyou go.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's so mind-blowing.
Thank you for making me believethat that we did it painting
like we did.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
That, dude, I'm telling you yeah, I will, I will
, and it's going to be all thebands.
Well, I'll do another.
Tell you what we'll do.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I'll make a promise to the community right now oh
shoot, okay, we're gonna getyour pens down and and we're
gonna get this we're gonna get acommunity jam set up, like we
did in old school.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
There's going to be a place to sign up to be kind of
randomized or somewhat puttogether in a band.
I think for this one I wouldlike people that mostly aren't
in bands or are in bands thatare out playing infrequently
Okay, because the whole point isto get more exposure.
I would love to see thattemplate of dudes, maybe a guy

(55:37):
that's in a really good band.
You can have a ringer in there,you can throw yourself a ringer
.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
That's going to be the inspiration Cats are going
to be like oh, there's For ourcloseout band at Woodland.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
We had Groovy stacked in there because he's such a
killer drummer I knew he tore itall up.
It was nice to have.
We knew that they were solid inthe pocket.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
They had a couple of great songs.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Dude it was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That was good.
That was so much fun.
I'm going to bring that back.
Yes, please do dude.
Okay, hey, you put it out thereNow you got to manifest it.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yes, please do dude.
Okay, hey, you put it out there, you mad at now.
You're gonna get all we gottaget.
Is we gotta get a festival tosay we're gonna give you an hour
and a half, dude, we shouldcall it manifestival.
Ah, you give me an hour and ahalf and I'll give you music.
Musicians.
Yeah, you know what?
Let's make a manifestival, allright, but I'm gonna take a note
.
Somebody write that downsomebody manifestible, that
that's a great name, but itcan't be all men Anyway, because

(56:36):
the girls make the world goround.
I.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I have to tell you that I.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I love every single woman on the world.
It is all of them.
My daughter taught me to be thebest she.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
She so transformed me and then my son, fatherhood and
my son transformed me again.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
And then my son yeah, tell me about fatherhood a
little bit and my sontransformed me again Like it was
this and it was kind of out ofsync.
I think the most importantthing that fatherhood, that
parenthood, teaches you is utter.
It's almost like when you tripballs, like trip balls and you

(57:16):
know you're part of shout out tofaraji balls out, balls and you
realize you're one with theuniverse, right, but but when?
but when you have a child, theirvibration, their pattern is, is
a function of your pattern, andso so they they they get a

(57:39):
pattern the first, the most, themost beautiful moment of my
life was the moment that I, thatI held my daughter's little
curvy pinky hand rightfeaturesatures that you didn't
even know existed.
And then my son got off a planeand met him at the airport.

(58:01):
These kids, they changed mylife, they made me a better man
and they continue to, theycontinue to.
My boy is called Swordboy onTwitch shout out to sword boy on
twitch.
Give him a follow and a likeyou can get.
I've been, I've been going.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I've been going to go to the thing.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
It's so great, that's awesome it's so great, but I
mean, but you know I'm gonna,I'm gonna hold it onto a thread
and I'm going to tell you astory about writing a song.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah, please do, because we were going to talk
about that.
Yeah, man, songwriting has beena very pivotal thing in my life
recently and has helped meshape all the things that are
happening around me.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Luckily, you know what?
Digging in, you go in and inyou get better at everything.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
It's not on and on, don't go on and on, ever go in
and in.
You get better at everything.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
it's not on and on, don't go on and on.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Ever go in and in in and in, in and in.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I like that so we're about done with the band
practice at my place.
Sarah Hughes had come by toblow a few times at my place.
Okay, four Flights was reallyhopping, this was before popping
off.
It was popping off.
And she said, hey, four Flightswas really hopping, this was
before any of the Popping off.
It was popping off.
And she said, hey, I know thesecats over at Lake 27th.
I don't know, I didn't know.
I can't remember where theexact.

(59:20):
I know where the studio is, Ican't remember the address.
She said can you come by and doa little spoken word?
We're going to do a track andI'd like you to know a bunch of
different things I could dospoken word.
So I just finished singing allthese songs for my band, so I
decided to go over to this thingand walk in the room.
All right, no, earlier that dayshe sends me on my phone.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Okay, wait, cue the low jazz music All right, I'm
going to do this, all right.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
So, sarah Hughes, you know there's these
conversations in the back.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
But what is sarah?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
sarah hughes is a conservatory trained jazz cat.
Okay she's, she's a badass,she's a badass musician and
she's not intimidating at all,oh my god.
But so she's palling aroundhanging doing stuff before
flights and she asked me to comeover and do this Earlier in the
afternoon.

(01:00:15):
She sends me this thing on thephone.
It goes, ha ha ha right.
And I'm like listening to this,I'm like, did you have an
instrument on your hand?
No, no, that was just the.
So there's these horns in thebackground.
And I'm like.
So I listened, it was likethree notes.

(01:00:36):
She gave me four notes.
I look at the relationshipbetween the notes I figure out
what key the thing is going tobe got to.
So I figure out what was it canmode or whatever.
Um, I can't fucking remember.
You can listen to the song,okay?
Um, we'll link in thedescription or something.
I don't know how you do that.
Yeah, I'll definitely link it.
So I walk into the room.

(01:00:57):
It's 1937.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Oh shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
There's three people in a horn section in a room.
There's a drummer in the roombehind a glass wall, there's a
guy with an upright bassstanding there Right and there's
a microphone.
There's an old boxy, coolmicrophone hanging in the room
and open and that's where I'msupposed to go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Oh, dude, so there's no vocal booth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
There's no nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
There's no retakes.
This is straight up you everwatch Frank Sinatra.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Do that in the 1930s.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
You ever watch Frankie?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
just walk up 1930s, and you see how much of a boss
he is.
He just goes in there and he'sdulcimer tones and dude like
breath work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
What was breath work?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Dude, he would just make it look easy.
Incredible.
I've watched those things.
Did you hop?

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
up and grab the mic.
Did you get smooth jazz?
No, so here's what happened.
've watched those things.
Did you hop up and grab the mic?
Did you get smooth jazz?
No, so here's what happened.
Here's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
And there's a guy in the recording booth right, so
Mike cools on the drums,everybody's there.
There's a horn section, notjust Sarah Hughes, but also,
like a couple other people,another cat I recognize, but it
was like jazz cats.
So I'm like, wow, it's like aserious room full of jazz cats.
And then, of course, what doesshe do?

(01:02:17):
She says, oh, we're justfinishing up this other thing,
and then she hands me a piece ofsheet music.
Because that's what jazz cats?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
do.
Oh dude, just here's some musicjazz, cat Right and you better
be able to read this Now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Good thing I had done my thing already In the
afternoon, because I used my earTo figure out what key it was
in my keyboard I used my ear andmy keyboard at my house To
figure out what key it was.
So I knew and I could.
I could hear the note, becauseI know I have one note.
I have relative pitch.
Good musicians are good atmaking stuff up too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You know, like on the fly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
So I had five minutes to write the song in the
hallway and what it said on thetop of the page three words.
Everything else was notes, soI'm not really reading too well.
I can kind of see how it movesand there's a lot of notes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah, it's all the direction.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
These are like chords , like it doesn't look like.
You know if it goes.
Mary had a little lamb, you cankind of follow that but if it's
like record here and then wowit can get confusing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
It looks like a whole different language.
It's not a language, because ittotally is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I mean I can kind of do it, but it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
But isn't it cool when like you don't understand
it, but then, like the songplays and you understand the
song and that kind of like linesup yeah, yeah, and then you see
it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, then you can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, that's great when you're watching on YouTube
and the note flashes or it kindof like it gives you when you're
trying to learn how to play asong on the piano or something
and you're using YouTube, itkind of follows along.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
You can definitely learn to read that way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I think eventually, oh for sure, you know For sure,
but then you'd have to have youwant to have a teacher, though,
like if you want to learn aninstrument, I think the
personally, I think the best wayis to to find a teacher, a
personal, a person who teachesit, um, but I also do feel like,
if you don't have the resourcesor the money, you know to be
able to do that, yet you knowyou can go on youtube and and

(01:04:18):
you can, you know you can learnI built my trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I built a 6x12 trailer in in 11 weeks, uh from
a white box to uh.
Six air conditioners, solarpanels, sink everything a bed
weeks.
In 11 weeks I did day and night.
I worked every day and I workedsix hours a night, like every
night.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Man alessandro will testify freemindlabscom dude,
you probably you went gangsteron him, dude we tried so hard,
we worked so hard together whata great man.
Does the thing still exist, isit still?
Yeah, oh it's just my.
That's my dope trailer it'sright, that's right, I'm going
to bring it to the burn nextweek.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
That's why I'm bringing my paintings around and
you can't dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yes, come on, come on , all shoot.
Let me finish this story,because we're trailing off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So I'm in the hallway and the only three words that
are on the page it says at aloss.
At a loss At a loss.
Now.
The recording is going to belinked.
I'm not going to sing it foryou right now.
I could sing it, of course, butI'm not going to sing it for
you right now.
But I'm going to spit you thelyrics now.
This is where lyrics and poetrycome together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I didn't have time to revise it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I didn't have time to update it.
I had to write it in thehallway, give it to him.
Give it to him from the heart.
These were the words, becausethis is what's recorded and it
was a one-take recording that ison the recording.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Sorry, one more time At a loss, at a loss, at a loss
with the three words that wereon the page.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Okay, the standard lines.
They fail me.
The breeze you blow unveils me.
How can I regard myself?
Your treasure all around me,envelop, surround me until I
feel absurd.
Treasure all around me, envelop, surround me Until I feel
absurd, at a loss for words.

(01:06:07):
The clear blue sky inside youleaks through your eyes, the
clouds that never find you, thesun inside you, sun inside you
rise.
And the song inside I heard Ata loss for words.

(01:06:27):
Hold on Now, he has a coda Ihold, the faintest, glimmering,
ah, the picture of youshimmering light.
The dream inside me simmering,simmering, to be with you
tonight, to be with you.
And how can I regard myself?
Your beauty all around, envelop, surround me until I feel

(01:06:51):
absurd, at a loss, at a loss forwords.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Mmm man, take that in .
You know what that reminds me.
I'm going to open up to a pagehere and just do a reading from

(01:07:24):
a book called the Voice ofKnowledge by Don Miguel Ruiz.
Have you ever heard of the FourAgreements.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
So this is the gentleman who wrote that book
and I've been able to kind ofjust open to any page these days
.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Find something cool.
Yeah, that's good, findsomething cool.
I love this.
You could probably sing lyricfrom that page.
Well, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Don't believe yourself, but learn to listen,
because sometimes the voice ofknowledge can have a brilliant
idea and if you agree with theidea, then take it.
It could be a moment ofinspiration that leads to a
great opportunity in life.
Respect your story and learn toreally listen.

(01:08:14):
When you listen to your story,the communication with yourself
will improve 100%.
Listen to your story thecommunication with yourself will
improve 100%.
You will see your story withclarity and if you don't like
the story, you can change it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
That's right.
You can reinvent it.
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
It was perfectly timed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
You can reinvent yourself anytime, anytime,
anytime, anytime you don't getto.
I haven't been a famous actoryet not yet not yet.
But what's stopping me?
Just me trying it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
You know I could not be it, but I could also try yeah
, open up to a page and read oh,let's try it, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I really do have to put my old man glasses on now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Oh, sorry, because I'm over 40.
Young whippersnapper, make sureyou're speaking into the mic,
really.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Okay, I'm sorry I got to put the.
Hold on, okay.
One of the biggest assumptionswe make is that the lies we
believe in are the truth.
For example, we believe that weknow what we are.
When we get angry, we say, oh,that's the way I am.
When we get jealous, oh, that'sthe way I am.

(01:09:31):
When we hate, oh that's the wayI am.
But is it true?
I'm not sure about that.
I used to make the assumptionthat I was the one who was
talking, that I was the one whosaid all those things that I
didn't want to say.
It was a big surprise when Idiscovered that it was not me.
It was a way I learned to be,and I practiced and practiced,

(01:09:56):
and practiced until I masteredthat performance.
The voice says that's the way Iam, it's the voice of knowledge
, it's the voice of the liarliving in the tree of knowledge
in your head.
That's really interesting.
The whole text.
Consider it a mental diseasethat is highly contagious
because it's transmitted fromhuman to human through knowledge
.
The symptoms of the disease arefear, anger, hatred, sadness,

(01:10:19):
jealousy, conflict andseparation between humans.
Again, these lies arecontrolling the dream of our
life.
I think this is obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Man, dude, there's a whole slew of different books
from the Toltec wisdom and it'svery simple stuff, that man.
It really helps me understandand navigate life and it just

(01:10:49):
helps me stay grounded when Iknow that someone else has been
through you know a trial or atribulation, you know that we
can share.
Been through you know a trialor a tribulation, you know that
we can share that.
Uh, you know that struggleitself.
Um, yeah, but, dude, I have, Ihave something here.
I have a wait, a second cue,the phone sound.

(01:11:11):
Cue, the phone sound.
Yeah, who was this?
Oh, this is the young, theyounger, scott freus.
Oh shit, uh-huh.
Oh, you know what you, dude,you called at a perfect time.
Um, I'm actually with yourolder self, yes, yes, your older

(01:11:36):
self, this kid.
Yeah, dude, and I want you to,uh, I want, want you to just
listen to what he has to say.
I promise it's worth it, andyou do end up a pretty cool cat,
just so you know.
But, yeah, take this in, dude,somebody wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
You know I don't want to tell you anything besides
Bitcoin, bitcoin.
But I don't want to tell youanything besides that.
All the pain from all thesewomen dude, a lot of it's your
own fault, and the reason it'syour own fault is because you
have to, not?

(01:12:14):
It's not their responsibilityto turn themselves into
something.
I mean it's theirresponsibility to turn
themselves into something.
It's your responsibility toturn yourself into something.
I mean it's theirresponsibility to turn
themselves into something.
It's your responsibility toturn yourself into something.
So don't try to make anybodyelse something.
Just be your most beautifulself right away.
Do your authentic, genuine selfright away.
The people that will come toyou and be in your life will be.

(01:12:35):
It will change the wholepattern of your life.
But I don't want you to changethe pattern of your life,
because how did I end up to bethis badass dude that I am right
now?
So, like, don't fuck up, that'sall.
Just let me say this there's aone time when you like, get
really close.
Yeah, there's a couple timeswhen you almost die.
But well, I'm not going to tellyou about those either, because

(01:12:57):
you had enough Spider-Manreflexes to get out of the way
in time.
It was pretty good.
It was pretty good stuff.
So man, just remember that allthe women that you love, you
will always love, because youcan't destroy it.
It only changes to a differentform.
That doesn't mean you long forthem.

(01:13:17):
That means you can respect themin a way that you can respect
no one else.
That's what I got for you, kid.
You got anything for me?
Yeah, you're gonna go bald,you're gonna go fucking so bald.

(01:13:39):
yeah, alright, I'm gonna handyou back.
You're going to go bald.
You're going to go fucking sobald?
Yeah, all right, I'm going tohand you back, yo, he burns.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
You know he loves you , though he does, he really does
.
He said it and I hope he showsit.
Too funny, you are too funny.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
I was a little mean to him.
I was a little mean to him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
You know what Sometimes that tough love really
gets to you, that's how it goes, dude, I got one more segment
and then we'll talk finalthoughts here.
I like to kind of spring thisone up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
On people that was funny, you bastard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
I didn't realize you was going to call.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I've been sending messages back to my.
I get messages from my youngerself and I sent messages to my
older self when I was younger,so I think that that changed.
I do believe in a quasi-lineartime.
In other words, there areaspects of universal time that
maybe aspects of our experiencecan access.

(01:14:31):
So, there's certain things Ibelieve about time that are a
little weird.
I'm the single thread, as weare all right, this presence and
knowing, but we're an amalgamof cells.
With this huge, I started aband with myself called God of
Cells.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
And it was God of Cells.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I love that God of Cells and it was a circle, with
half of the top of it is a brainand the other half is all
organelles in a cell.
Organelles in a cell Organellesin a cell and it says God of
cells.
It looks really cool.
It's all that is inside theword when I wrote it.
Oh, cool, right, and the pointwas is that we are the god of

(01:15:08):
ourselves?
If you think about ourselvesand all the trillions of
bacteria and billions of cellsyou have, you are just the
billions of connections in your,in your mind.
I mean, you're the, you're theorchestrator and in fact they're
all having their own littleindependent experience, right,
but they're seeding, they'relike, well, man, he's gonna take
care of his, bro you know, likethe poor lung cells, oh my poor
lung cells, groobies, poormouth cells at sometimes at

(01:15:31):
night, like he's, just like, ah,he's wearing him, he's wearing
him off you know, you got to becareful all the time, yeah, all
the time that you're beating onyour little body.
You know your little body knows,little body knows and sometimes
, like your stomach, canactually say hey, hey, hey,
buddy, hey, buddy, buddy listenyou need.
I got a couple controls thatyou don't have.
Yeah, I'm what, what, what, ohyour stomach's your second brain

(01:15:55):
yeah, it's gonna tell you likeyou better calm down right now.
I think think I'm going to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Okay, wait, so I have a cool thing here, you ready.
Well, it's funny In the pastpodcast that we did with Michael

(01:16:22):
Morstein, we were talking aboutthat, the human experience and
like all the billions of peoplethat are on the earth and like
you know, all having a differentstory you know, and then each
of those billion people likehave a whole universe on them,
you know, and then that's thatmany stories you know.
So it's crazy, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
so here we go.
I have a memory that you, it'slike, it's, it's like a, uh, a
gorgeous train, like a gorgeoustrain, like like the bride of
all brides, you know, and itfloats, no, and it floats little
balls, and it just is thisendless train of experience that

(01:16:51):
you sort of keep going through.
It's like a river that comesoff of you.
It's a hover train.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Okay, you ready.
So here's something calledrapid fire, okay, and I'm just
going to ask you quick littlequestions, like one of them will
be Short answers yeah, shortanswers.
We want to try and go through abunch here okay so all right,
you ready.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Put the time on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
No, there's no time, but we can have fun If we had a
virtual clock.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Okay, virtual clock on All right you ready.
If you could choose where to beborn and live your whole life
there, where would it be?
Just one spot, One spot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
I'm trapped there.
Yep, wow, that's so hard, rapidfire, all Wow, that's so hard,
rapid fire, all right.
I would have to say, put Me inItaly, Italy, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Mountains or the beach Beach, there you go.
Coffee or tea, coffee, starWars or Star Trek Bastards Pass,
okay, pass Favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
OutKast member.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,okay, okay, there.
Favorite OutKast member.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Least favorite food.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Cilantro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Ooh, throw it out.
All right, here we go.
Scariest villain.
Oh shit, clowns are so fuckingscary.
Oh yeah, dude, go with that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
No, no, but I'm going to yeah, Go with that.
No, no, but I'm going to yeah,Go with that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Yeah, let's just go with clowns, any, every clown,
dude, doritos or Pringles,pringles, mmm.
Worst pizza topping.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Oh God, I don't like hamburger on it.
Yeah, nothing's going on on,take, take the hamburger,
hamburger off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
I'm gonna throw the patty, I know I'm not gonna get
upset about the pineapple I knowright, I'm cool with pineapple.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Everybody else is oh, it's a muck about pineapple.
All right, you ready?
If you could spend 24 hourswith any musician, who would it
be alive or dead?
Oh my god, oh my right yeah,that's an impossible question?
No, it's not, come on, it'spossible right now.
Make, make it possible, come onRapid fire.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Harry.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Nilsson.
Oh, there you go, harry Nilsson, nice Okay.
What's one thing you've alwayswanted to do, but haven't yet
Jump out of a plane.
Oh, dude, let's do it.
I want to do it again.
If you could pick any seasonall year round, what would it be
?
Summer, winter, spring or fall?

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
spring oh april is the cruelest month breeding
lilacs from the dead earth thereyou go, mr poet himself east
coast or west coast?
See new york.
Come on, yeah, come on.
I'm from Massachusetts, allright, you ready.
Favorite subject in school?

(01:19:44):
Wow, like early school.
Oh, dude, I'm so conflictedbecause I loved English, but I
was always really great at it,right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Or what, but I love physics.
Oh, physics, dan, but I'mterrible at math.
Dude, go with the physicsbecause you're defying it, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
All right, you ready Name your favorite Pokemon?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I don't know any Pokemon.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Dude, you know one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Charamon or something .

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Charamon, there we go .
Best one ever, all right, bestduo.
Best duo it could be anything.
You know music, oh God.
History it could be anything.
You know music.
Oh god, there's so manyhistorians.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
There's so many great duos two people that completed
each other yeah, who could or itcould?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
be, like a couple, like it could be like a goal,
couple goals I'm like I'm goingwith, like I'm not gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I I'd love me some watson and crick, right, oh, but
, but.
But I don't think those catswere as cool as all that um, but
because but I love, I love,love, deep effort and scientific
discovery so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Okay, so who?
Who you got then?

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
All right, all right, so the best duo of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Yeah, come on.
Who gave us that science thatwe needed?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
No, no, I'm going to have to say that the best duo of
all time is Willie Nelson andJulio Iglesias.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Julio iglesias oh, there you go drop it.
You know what?
You know what I was, dudethat's a good one dude where you
came from with that, you know,I was thinking left field, dude,
left field, I was thinkingtommy lee, dude that is a duo
for the ages I just I shit onthat question, I'm sorry no, no,
it's okay, it's okay, my mymind ran, as yours was as well

(01:21:22):
so funny.
All right, you ready.
You walk into the casino rightnow.
What's the first thing you'replaying?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
I'm gonna play um, uh blackjack, blackjack, dang,
nice.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Okay, what's my spirit?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
animal is a um puma puma.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
I love that dude, that is awesome.
Shout out to my pumas baby, ohmy puma's out there, puma cam.
We're on the puma cam yo, pumacam throw them peas up.
Baby, oh yeah, puma can, okay,you ready.
Favorite member of the beatlesum john lennon oh, john lennon.

(01:22:05):
Okay, what's one thing youcan't live without.
One thing can't live without.
Can't live without.
Come on right now, today.
What couldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I.
I mean if I ever lose my voice,if I ever lose my hearing.
Oh, that's I.
I loved it.
Singing is the most joyoussingle act that I do I mean sex
is better than singing oh, justbarely on them real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Okay, you ready.
What's one thing you can't lovewithout um honesty?
Oh, there you go, all right,favorite curse word.
That's not really a curse wordoh, that's good yeah, what do
you got on that um dag nabbit,what do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
shazbot shazbot rock the shazbot.
No, I have pamela, I have one,two things I'm gonna add
something on.
You know how you have you knowhow you have one, two things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
I'm going to add something on.
Add it.
You know how you have, you knowhow you have it's rapid.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
You know how you have a thing where you say oh man,
boom he nailed it, oh he crushedit, Boom it crashed, or
whatever.
Booyah, they had the booyah,Booyah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I made Pammo and it.
I think it's just the way yousaid it.
It's just terrible, no matter.
No, there's no fixing that.
Yeah, you know, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Favorite color Green, green.
There you go, okay, planes,trains or automobiles, my friend
, oh, automobiles.
If you had to listen to onesong for the rest of your life,
what would it be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
It certainly wouldn't be Indigata Divita because it's
really long, but let me see.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
What would it be?
Oh my God, what's that?
One song that just won't getold, that doesn't get old, you
know, no matter what.
I would say Rachmaninoff'sPrelude and c-sharp minor there
you go, man, my man with the uh,yeah, with the deepness.

(01:24:06):
Okay, you ready.
Last movie you cried to fuckingall of them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Transformers movie yes, keep it at that, keep it
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Transformers movie.
Yes, keep it at that.
Keep it at that, all right, youready.
Favorite kind of flower.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
The night-blooming cirrus, the queen of the night.
I had one bloom last week.
I just had this plant for ayear.
My mom took six years to growthem.
They're unbelievable.
The smell is intoxicating.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
I smell it right now.
The smell is intoxicating.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
I smell it right now it's in my nostrils it only
opens for one night.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Nuh-uh A year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
What.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
I had two of them open at the same time on one
night, that's it, dude, that'sGod talking.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
All right, daytime or nighttime.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Nighttime is a right time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
All right, any superpower, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Change any superpower .
What would it be Change?
Manipulate time?
No one can touch me, then Okay,here's the last one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Coconut, or pineapple Coconut, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I have to, because coconut oil is good for you,
right?

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Okay, man, let me tell you, dude, you have been a
pleasure having here, and let'ssee here.
Tell you, dude, you have been apleasure having here and, uh,
let's see here.
Is there anything that youwould like to kind of close out
on?
You know, with the therespecting perspectives crew,
you know listening and yeah anduh, what would you like to uh

(01:25:34):
for?
For forbid, for what?

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
farewell the the people with you, like you, you
did such a great job of.
First of all, I want to thankyou for having me on too.
You did such a great job ofinvoking uh genuine responses
for me and and uh, greatthoughts and questions and stuff
, so I thank you for giving me alot of freedom to go through
through stuff as well.
So it's a mad, mad respect toyou.
Thanks, um.

(01:25:57):
The thing I said about umlimiting beliefs is is really
what you need to to remember?
Um, and that possibility isn'tdiscovered by thinking about
things.
Do stuff, get up, try it.
I'm tired, it's raining.

(01:26:17):
No, doesn't matter.
Like david goggins, like, eventhough he's insane he's also
brilliant in this one way.
He just does not know how togive up.
His give up is broken, and thatis the greatest skill yeah
persistence, the four flights up.
We had 250 events.

(01:26:38):
It was every sunday, sometimestwice a week.
When I start this next thing,it's going to be consistent
matt's having this thing everymonth once a month for now, when
you when you know what I knowabout a metronome?

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
I'm not a thing to it .
Oh, there you go so if you beconsistent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Be consistent Don't mug yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Right, don't stop your own metronome, keep it
going and in fact maybe turn itup a notch.
You know, give it a little pushRight Every now and then.
You got to kind of giveyourself a little bit of a push,
you know, and gain momentumsomehow.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah, and go in and in, not on and on, go in and in,
not on and on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Take that in for sure , man.
Dude, I really appreciate youfor being here, and I know the
people who are watching areappreciative of the
conversations that we're able tohave.
Yeah, the people who arewatching are appreciative of the
conversations that we're ableto have and, man, I look forward
to seeing you at some of theevents that are coming up.
Is there any?

(01:27:49):
Maybe like information, likeInstagram?
Yeah, you can find me atMetapainting on Instagram
M-E-T-A-a-i-n-t-i-n g yeah, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah, facebook didn't like fight me or take me down
or anything when they claimedthe name meta because I had been
using it before they were usingit.
That's interesting.
So that's I kind of was.
I kind of was good on that,slept under the rug, I slipped
under the rug.
Yeah, they did buymetapaintingcom, though facebook
bought it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Um but I I got the net well, I got the net.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
They just didn't want me to have a commercial site or
something.
It seemed like it was just anorganization, I don't know.
Lawyers bought it, sometapaintingnet.
But it's not up yet.
So it's not going to be upuntil probably Halloween, but
it'll be glorious when it is ifyou need some help, let's see
here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I had one or two of the guys who Halloween It'll be
glorious when it is If you needsome help and some.
I had one or two of the guyswho helped me with my website on
the show.
If you need some help, connectus.
Maybe we'll talk to somebody.
That sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
I know a few wizards.
What I'm trying to do is I'mtrying to publish the entire
site from my GitHub and do theentire thing myself.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
I'm a little bit of a like.
I'm a guy who built the trailerfrom nothing, yeah Right, so
like, and this is this is whatI'm going to leave you with
right, leave him with that jam.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
This is what I'm going to leave you with.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
And I'm going to look right in your eyes and I'm
gonna tell you this the one whostops you every time is you, the
one who can save you and moveyou to any height that you want
to.
It's also you if you feel likeI'm disorganized, I'm adhd, I
get drifted and lost off in athing, but if I put something in
my world, in my space, thatreminds me to do these important
things, and I get them done,and then they slowly and
steadily turn into gold, turninto gold.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
That's what I get Into gold baby.
Hey, thank y'all for joining usand we will see you on the flip
side of respecting perspectives, the podcast baby.
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