February 28, 2025 • 53 mins
Dive into a transformative discussion about the complexities of human identity in our latest episode! Join us as we explore the concept of duality with renowned psychic medium and life coach, Cassandra Hurley. Through her journey, she unpacks the empowering benefits of embracing our alter egos—those parts of ourselves that can often bring forth strength and resilience in adversity.
Cassandra shares her personal experiences, including how her alter ego "Sunny" emerged during difficult times, providing a shield against societal expectations. Together, we address the complex intersections of womanhood, self-worth, and the importance of taking back your power. Are you navigating toxic relationships or uncertainties in life? This episode offers vital insights on self-acknowledgment and self-love that can help you reclaim your identity.
Furthermore, we distinguish between passion and purpose, discussing how understanding these differences can guide you toward fulfilling life choices. With powerful anecdotes and insights, our conversation encourages you to engage with your emotions constructively and create healthy outlets for expression.
Join us on this journey of self-discovery, empowerment, and candor that urges you to embrace both light and darkness within yourself. Are you ready to uncover your innermost truths? Listen now, and let’s explore together! Please remember to subscribe, rate, and leave a review if you enjoyed the episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
all right, okay, let's take two.
If we decide to use the firstone, we can.
Okay, yo, respectingperspectives, fam, thank you for
joining us for another episodehere with the podcast.
I have one of my good friendshere who I've known for about
six or seven years, missCassandra Hurley.
(00:37):
She is a woman of manydifferent facets and terms, but
I'm going to let her tell y'allwho she is and a little bit of
an intro.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay, so I'm Cassandra Hurley.
I am a psychic medium, a lifecoach and a celebrity life coach
.
I've been doing thisprofessionally for at least
going on five years now,especially when everybody told
me no and I couldn't do it.
I did just want to talk about afew things, kind of ending the
(01:10):
stigma, because even being awitch in that word, that
terminology, there seems to be alot of different stigmas.
One thing also on like duality,duality.
I often talk about my alter ego, sunny, hello, she is out
tonight.
Now, as far as you, I want toask you a real last question Do
(01:32):
you have an actual alter ego?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's a good question and we're just going to
let that roll.
Let's see here Alter egos.
Oh my gosh, I have.
I guess you can call it analter ego.
You know what it made me thinkabout when I'm making music,
when I have a different personinside of me that lives there,
(01:57):
when I'm writing music.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Can I just cut you off for one second yeah, please
do I want to throw it back tothe first time that I ever met
you.
Okay, and when you say alterego and then you flip in that
music, because when I firstfirst met you I ended up kind of
going last minute being invitedwhatever, didn't know anybody
except for the person who hostedit, and I was kind of like
(02:20):
Shout out to Prophet, Prophet,thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yo shouts out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And my gay husband was supposed to come that night
and then he ended up not beingable to come.
So I was like damn, I don'twant to go by myself.
I was this close to not evengoing at all to be, honest,
everything, whatever.
And they were like here, theysat me down right next to you,
we were talking, but you kind ofseemed at first really shy,
like for real.
I know it's been a good manyyears, but that's how I kind of
(02:44):
saw you out at that point and itwas like you're very shy, kind
of shelled in, you know reallygood, like person, soul, you are
nice and sweet.
But back then you were totallydifferent, totally different
aura, totally differenteverything.
And I think you asked me was Ihere to perform?
Or something like that.
I did not perform that night,but I was definitely a lot of
(03:05):
great talent at that event.
But when I tell you, when youwent from sitting right next to
me, all innocent, quiet, this,that, and the third Yo, when he
got on that fucking stage, hefucking killed it.
When I tell you he killed it,he shook me, okay, and it takes
a lot these days for me to belike what the fuck?
It was like one of those mouthdrop moments don't ever judge a
(03:28):
book by its cover, okay, butwhen you say, like my alter ego,
a little wild, like I said, sheright here, right now and right
here right now right, but so isyours.
You have like fire in you thispassion and I can definitely see
that alter ego number one a,but now you just got to give him
a name yeah, oh gosh, you'reright, let's see here um.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know what I'm gonna call him chance why chance
?
Because you never know whatyou're gonna get.
You never know it's gonna have.
He's gonna have that energy andhe's gonna have that, uh, that
fire, like you said.
But it really depends on, like,the emotion of the song.
Okay, you know what I'm reallytrying to get out in that
(04:12):
particular song, because I cango from, like you know, one of
those love songs to where oh, Ithought you were gonna do like
country or something you like,the whole.
That was the moment yeah, yeah,you know what, I haven't,
haven't dabbled in that just yet.
Um, I do plan on it at somepoint, uh, but you know it can
go from anywhere to like that.
(04:32):
That.
You know, lovey cheesy side to.
You know I'm like mad and I'mlike trying to get something out
of there.
So I think we're gonna callthem chance.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, people take a chance on Chance because he will
blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Tell me a little bit more about Sonny, though, and
give me kind of where that namecame from, and tell me a typical
day or a typical time whenSonny is out and about.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, a lot of people don't realize when you actually
have this alter ego, it is likea form of protection, ptsd,
whatever.
You go through some shit to apoint where you take that
duality of that rage and youbasically formulate it into its
own entity and being.
And it's like sometimes yourvessel doesn't match your soul
(05:25):
and sometimes you got a lotgoing on in here.
So sunny came from way backwhen, when 2019, I actually I
was homeless at this point too,I had you know it was a
challenge being a single momgoing through that shit and
trying to keep things under wrapand still having, um, how do
(05:46):
you say like not not feelinglike I'm gonna degrade myself or
whatever, but sunny definitelycame out then.
That was my stripper name sookay it was like.
Cassie was like oh no, likedon't do it, don't do it.
But then sunny is like we gonnamake this money and this is
what we're gonna do, and that'swhat it is, and I never really
been like shy on camera oranything, none of that but it's
(06:11):
like when you're okay.
So it's kind of like you know,when you're in the music studio,
you're recording a song, you'rein that booth and something
just takes over you, but itfeels so right, yeah, takes over
you, but it feels so right,yeah.
You, just, you, just that.
That's where Sonny came from,where, when I was on stage, I
had to block everything out.
So then Sonny comes out andboom did the damn thing,
(06:35):
whatever.
But it almost is like Sonnycomes out when I'm in the booth
because I'm taking everythingand I'm in my own little world.
Nothing else and nobody elsematters in those moments except
for what I'm doing with mypassion.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Oh, love that, I love how you kind of dug into that
and I mean think about when youtalk about the sun, I mean you
know it blinds everything thatit, you know, is in front of,
but at the same time it alsofuels all of those things.
So you know you can't look atit, but you know you get your
(07:10):
power from it, you know.
So I feel like that's pretty,that's pretty cool to kind of be
able to harness that and to beable to kind of understand when
that alter ego you know is, isand needs to come out.
And then you know when, wouldyou say, cassie is out and about
(07:31):
.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Cassie's usually out and about when I'm in my psychic
medium mommy mode.
So everybody like on special,my younger ones, sometimes my
older ones, but Mama Cass, mamaCass is also very protective,
but very much so down to earth,giving very good advice If
people want to actually learn toheal within themselves, type of
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thing.
Sunny usually comes out whenit's a little bit okay, how can
we win, we're going to be toxic.
But that's that side.
Sunny, toxic, toxic needs tolike basically stay out.
I don't think that peopleunderstand to this toxicity that
everybody is carrying on andthinking that it's normalized
and it's okay.
It's not fucking okay.
And this is where I say youwill take out that darkness and
(08:17):
you a part of duality, whetheryou want to call it your alter
ego, but I feel like a messagethat I want to tell people is
when people are like, oh, it'snot okay, or it's okay to be
okay, no, the fuck it's not.
It's not Self-awareness.
But one thing I keep getting alot in some of my clients is
toxic relationships.
Okay, and part of Sunny, that'smy toxicity.
(08:40):
How do people heal a toxicrelationship?
Self-acknowledgement Okay, soyou acknowledge.
Okay, I need to change this,this, this and this.
So part of the personality hasto stay tucked away in a way.
You know what I'm saying.
I acknowledge that it'sdarkness.
Cassie, is more of the light,the yin and the yang is within
yourself.
You got me but anyways, I wantfemales at least to call back
(09:05):
their power, call back theirenergy, take back their crown
stop.
It's not okay for a man totreat you or disrespect you in
any other way.
And the toxicity people thinkit's cute.
But when you get my age, howmuch did we learn about that
shit?
yeah, you're so right you know,I feel like everybody's alter
ego, the darkness in them.
Everybody has it, but it's amatter of taking that power and
(09:27):
using it for the correct, properway, how we can navigate our
lives and get our self respectback as women to.
Most, women think they're beinga bitch if they want to stand
up for themselves or saysomething, and you know what I
mean.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's a great point.
Actually, can I ask you thiswhen it comes to I like what you
said with taking back yourcrown, you know why do you think
women give that crown away inthe first place?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Because they do not love themselves and I know this
is going to hurt a lot ofpeople's feelings, but at the
end of the day, I also do notlove myself.
I thought I did, but with themovements and the way that I was
operating, clearly I did notlove myself.
If a man can disrespect you andyou're tolerating it.
If a man can put hands on you,or mentally, spiritually,
(10:15):
whatever, mentally abuse you,it's not just physical touch
anymore, like it's just like.
I see so many of my clientswent through things that I
personally went through and nowI feel like I need to save them
literally.
So I want people to startunderstanding this toxic shit in
this generation.
It's not okay.
People deserve more.
(10:37):
Stop giving these peoplechances who do not deserve them.
You have to love yourself at theend of the day.
If you do not love yourself,you will never get to your end
goal.
You will never get to your endvision.
Not saying you have to be alone, but you have to take the time
with yourself.
Call back all of that.
Don't let people treat you sometype of fucking way.
If you need to let your alteregos out, let that be a sign,
(10:59):
but use it to call back your ownpower, so people don't keep
playing with you yeah so that'swhere that duality comes in.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Cass is mama Cass, but Sunny is going to be like
we're not fucking around withnothing anymore yeah, let's
actually dig a little bit into,uh, duality itself and uh, you
know, besides the whole likealter ego thing, um, you know,
how else do you feel likeduality is important in our
(11:27):
everyday life and how do youfeel like most people ignore the
signs of duality?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
and, it's possible, unhealed traumas.
That's what I see as unhealedtraumas the darkness.
If you don't recognize itwithin yourself, you get me
darkness.
If you don't recognize itwithin yourself, you get me.
So, like mental health, forexample, when people say they're
battling their own demons andthings like that.
You have to acknowledge thatthe demons are there so you can
learn to learn to fix that youknow and how do you?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
let's see here.
I mean, if you could dive alittle bit into possibly not.
You know, you don't have to gettoo personal about you know
your own demons, but what?
What looks like a demon and youknow has maybe like a?
You know it looks.
It looks like a wolf in sheep'sclothing.
You know, what would you saylike when you were younger, some
(12:21):
of the demons that were hard tonotice and that you were able
to notice later on in life.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Are we talking about actual demons?
Because I will.
No, I'm not even I'm a psychicmedium.
This is my fucking life, Likeyou can.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So either way, I mean whatever you know, whatever you
feel like, whether it's anactual visual representation of
a demon or like bad intentions,it's bad intentions people who
are sick, evil individuals okay,that's what I see as a demon.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But people also battle with their own demons
when it comes to addictions,with lies.
I've had a lot of people aroundme um, alcoholics, for example.
That could be their demon.
That is what they need to healwithin themselves.
Okay, but why are they drinkingin the first fucking place?
Let's think about that also.
What triggered them intodrinking?
Are using that as an excuse?
Or you know what I'm saying?
(13:11):
Certain things, those are allbattling demons, the demons of
temptation, because at the endof the day, we are humans living
a human experience, and we arealso of duality, the yin and
yang, because our soul is oursoul, that's our light, but we
also live of the flesh and thevessel, which does carry sin and
temptation.
That's what people are battlingevery single day.
(13:33):
It's just a matter ofacknowledging both, and you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, yeah, tell me a little bit about, because you
sound like you've been able topinpoint some of the particular,
you know hardships in your life.
You know, tell me a little bitabout.
You know we actually spokeabout it earlier.
What was the saying?
(13:58):
Every breakdown.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Every breakdown and all my clients watching this
will know with every breakdowncomes that breakthrough.
But sometimes, honey, you gottahurt to heal and a lot of the
times we don't recognize.
We can't heal if we don'tacknowledge the pain first.
So when we break down, we hitso fucking hard that now we have
no choice but to acknowledgewhat's going on.
(14:21):
Once you're self-aware of that,you can see what you need to
change or which way you're goingto go, and then you elevate and
now we rebuild that foundationand then that way we can build
it up stronger.
So not every breakdown itshould be something that's like
from the devil or whatever.
Sometimes that is from God orthe universe, but so you can
(14:43):
have that reset button hit theground, hurt, acknowledge, feel,
keep it pushing and elevate.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, I love the way that you put that and,
yeah, it made me think aboutsome of the times in my life
that I went through some painfulsituations and we were talking
about, you know, going throughsome things, and especially when
it comes to, like health and,like you know, at our age, you
(15:10):
know we weren't warned aboutparticular things that our body
would be going through.
You know, snap, crackle, pop,rice krispies yeah, you said
yeah.
So, yeah, your body goesthrough all of these different
things, not not mentally, butphysically, and you know, if
you're lucky enough, you're ableto bounce back.
(15:32):
You know, and you know how,when you get sick, you get like
a cold or you get that flu, andfor that week, you know, you
feel like dog dirt, but then,like, you know that that week
comes back and you start to getyour energy again.
You know, and you kind of youdo feel like a new person, you
know.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And it makes me think , though, about going through a
breakup, you have that heartacheand pain.
Yeah, but then, as every daygoes, you're doing something
that's meant for you.
So, you can feel better andbetter and better.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, yeah, you're so right and gosh, it makes you
really appreciate and grateful.
You don't realize you knoweverything you have until some
of those things are gone, yeah,are taken away from you.
You know, tell me a little bitabout maybe an experience or two
that you've been through whereyou know something had to be
(16:22):
either taken away, whether it'slike a health issue I know you
know you were.
You speak pretty comfortablyabout some of the things that
you've been through and I reallyappreciate you for opening up
about those things andespecially with you know some
recent, you know, health thingsthat I've been going through.
It's really made me kind of alittle bit sheltered but you've
(16:44):
actually been an inspiration toreally, you know, help me open
up about some of these things.
So tell me you know what, what,what were some things that had
to be kind of taken away fromyou in order for you to realize
you know what you really hadtaken away from me?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Well, I have a couple .
One thing um my own personalhealth too.
I feel like something that'sbeen taken away is, I feel like
my time, and the reason I saythat is because you know me
eventually going blind andlosing my hearing.
I feel like I'm running out oftime and I wish that one I would
(17:20):
have probably got.
You know, stop procrastinatingon.
That's something we tend to dotoo.
Like don't procrastinate onthings or whatever, because you
know there's times that I knowmy eyesight is getting worse and
I can't drive certain place formyself and do certain things,
and it really it makes me crysometimes because I hate being
so codependent and it'ssomething that, like, I feel
(17:43):
like sometimes that got takenaway.
But also to learn like thingscan happen in an instant.
And also, if you have thesehealth issues or whatever like I
have physical, mental, whatever, it doesn't fucking matter At
the end of the day, as long asyou take care of yourself and be
there for you, don't let thingsstop you from what you really
want to do in life life, becauseGod has a purpose for you in
(18:06):
every way, shape or form.
So I guess I thought I gotsomething taken away, but it
made me appreciate things a lotmore, that I still have this.
Okay, I'm fine right now, I canstill keep going right now.
So I feel like gratitude.
So I mean bittersweet type ofthings, if that's kind of what.
(18:27):
And then you said to what wassomething that got taken away
and that had to appreciate it.
Um, um, after I got divorced.
I got divorced at 26 years old.
I was dating somebody and I hadprayed and prayed and prayed
and prayed to God for thisspecific person to come into my
life and I think about it tillthis day and it shit because it
(18:58):
is so normalized.
When I was with my ex-husbandfor like, I was with him for
like you know however longalmost like 10 fucking years I
was so used.
You know, we were just young,19 years old Okay, we're both
all good now, but young andwhatever, but it was very toxic
and we knew it was very toxicand stayed way too long and I
didn't really know anything elseother than toxic.
(19:20):
And then I realized laterthrough therapy okay, because
family traumas, generationalcurses, how I grew up in
comfortability and how you knowwhat I'm saying like the long
pattern, generational curses,guys um, they're there, yeah,
attention to them and I alwaystell people all the time, even
my clients, I'm like y'allbetter really appreciate things,
because sometimes, when youpray for something, god at one
(19:42):
point gave me every single thingon a silver fucking platter all
I had to do was be fuckingappreciative, but because I was
not healed I fucked that up andthen sometimes you lose things
and then you cannot get themback ever.
So I've seen times in my lifewhere things change that quick,
(20:04):
whether it was health or love,life or whatever.
The fuck changed really fast.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So in an instant, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So I'm very appreciative for things.
Now I've, you know, had certainexpectations, standards,
standards, requirements formyself when it comes to certain
things learning one of my bestfriends, miss angelique bates.
She always told me.
She told me one time she waslike it's not always about the
love, but it is about the lesson.
(20:31):
So even that, even though Ididn't get the love part, I
definitely learned my fuckinglesson.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So now when.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I get things from God .
I'm not going to sit there andbitch and complain at all,
Because just as God can give youit, he'll take it away.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You know what, something that we touched on
before that I think was reallyimportant and can be a great
lesson for a lot of people outthere, especially for people who
are a little bit youngerActually, I'm sorry, a little
bit older but you know, tell meabout, I think, what was the
saying that you said, justbecause it's delayed.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Oh, miss Angelique Bates, one more time.
Let's clap it in the background.
And this is why I fucking loveher?
Because she teaches me things,she challenges my mind and is
supportive, one of the bestactresses ever.
Okay, y'all um, but anyway, shewas telling me, like it's not
always, sometimes it's delayed,but that does not mean that it's
(21:32):
denied oh, okay meaningsometimes when I tell people
past, present, future you get tochoose what you're going to do.
Everybody has free will to maketheir decisions.
So if something's meant for you, you'll never truly miss out on
what something is truly, trulymeant for you, but you will
prolong it by making the wrongdecisions.
You will delay it by making thewrong decisions.
(21:55):
So that was one thing It's'slike.
As long as you have that visionfor yourself and you never give
up, you're gonna have itregardless, because god will not
put that certain vision.
Like me personally, everysingle thing that I've done with
my life.
I had already dreamed about itwhen I was a young girl, over
and over and over again samething with, like that kevin hart
(22:16):
.
I'm like I'm gonna be in a moviewith kevin hart to everybody
else.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It's fucking delusional no, tell, tell the
audience, tell them, give, givethem your goal here.
What's what you got to?
Speak it into existence and themore people that hear it you
know, the more people that can.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah he's gonna find me somehow.
It's gonna be him and steveharvey my fucking idols.
But I will be in a movie withkevin hart, okay I will will
period oh, there you go but I'vealways had this vision for
myself, even getting in thestudio.
All these things have alwayshad the vision.
I feel like people lose thatvision sometimes and again it's
(22:52):
not.
I encourage people to bedelusional.
Be fucking deluluulu as fuck,Like I don't care.
You have that vision in yourmind.
It's going to happen.
Why?
Because God will place it overand again into your heart.
But every single person's soulmission is different.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's where people mix up their passions with their
purpose.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh yeah, dig into that a little bit, tell me about
.
You know what's the?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
difference between passion and purpose Purpose.
I feel like the same thing.
With every breakdown therebecomes a breakthrough why
people go through certain things, like, for example, when I was
homeless, why I went to rehabwhen I was from 16 to 18, I was
there because I was verydepressed.
Other people, alcoholicsAnonymous, chemical dependency,
other people, alcoholicsAnonymous, chemical Dependency
(23:39):
all of that we all had veryindividual, different journeys.
But what I want to do and why Ifeel like I went through
certain things was becauseeventually I always tell people
I'm going to open homelessshelters and with the homeless
shelters I also want to connecta rehabilitation center there.
I want to give people a chance,just a chance to get back on
their own feet, people whoactually want to change.
(24:00):
You know what I mean, like howwe were talking about earlier,
like if people want that chance,I want to make a change in this
world.
So again, I feel like I had togo through certain things in my
life so I could not onlyappreciate but I could do
something about it in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
Let's see here.
But if you could tell me as faras the passion and purpose.
Oh, I'm sorry, sorry guys.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm not only ADD, but I definitely like smoke, so
your favorite weed, which ishere, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
ADD as fuck.
Okay, so passion Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh then you know what low-key that's kind of what I
was getting at I feel, thehomeless, shelter, all those
things, everything that was apart of my purpose plan.
You got to go through certainthings to realize it's not
always about yourself, it'sabout other people, it's about
starting a movement.
So that's what I, when I wasgoing on that ran, that's what I
was talking about.
So, more so my purpose, I feellike, is the whole psychic
mediumship, life coaching.
That's my purpose.
(25:00):
Why?
Because I do it.
Steve Harvey always says likewhen you figure out what your
purpose is, it's like the onething that you do with the least
amount of effort it just comesnaturally to you.
It always ties in with yourpurpose.
So that's when I realized youknow what I love to talk here we
are on a podcast, but to helpother people was my purpose.
(25:24):
I went through what the fuck Iwent through.
So other people, if they comeinto my path, they're not about
to go through any of that shit.
We're going to change the game,make sure they're good.
Now that purpose is with otherpeople.
No, I feel like the passion iswithin yourself.
Now, sometimes your passion andyour purpose can, you know,
overlap or intertwine orwhatever.
But my passion is music.
(25:45):
Like I might not be fuckingWhitney Houston only in the
bathroom shower when no one'saround, because I'm shy as fuck,
but because I'm shy and I haveto work at it.
That means if you have to workfor it, it's probably a passion
you know what I'm saying or ahobby.
But if it's something thatmakes you feel good and you just
know how to do it veryeffortlessly, that's probably
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your purpose in life.
It doesn't got to be whateverybody else is doing and this
, that and the third, but ifyou're called to do it, that's
where you walk within yourpurpose.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, I love that, the way that you put that, and
it really makes me think aboutthroughout life and all of the,
the purposes and passions thatyou know, we think maybe that
we're meant for.
Or you know, maybe even some ofthe things that other people
kind of project you onto you.
(26:37):
I mean we were talking about,like the generational um gaps.
You know and think about, likeyou know, our grandfathers and
grandmothers and you know whatthey thought their purpose was.
You know to to have that, thatjob that steady.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know nine to five that brainwash though that you
know.
Nine to five, that's thatbrainwash though.
That's not purpose.
That's fucking robots andslaves to society.
They're not thinking forthemselves and focusing on what
they want.
Especially back in the daythere were different roles than
there are now.
Do you think men just thoughtthat was their purpose?
And they probably did, becausethat's what they were taught.
But as the generation comes innow, more people are freeing out
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from that.
They were taught, but as thegeneration comes into.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now more people are freeing out from that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, for sure.
How do you feel like theyounger generations?
Let's see here how do you feellike you know they should be
existing in this type of world?
You know, as far as, like thenine to five goes, goes, you
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know what do you feel like?
A stable job in the futurelooks like.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I know this is something this is going to be
difficult for me yeah honestly,if I'm being completely real as
far as what do you mean like adream job?
What will be there?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
yeah, what would what like being a manager somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I I would hope to god .
It's more than being a managersomewhere to be honest, I would
hope that people want more andmore and more and more and more
for themselves.
Like I don't knock people whoyou know do that in the nine to
five, but with my mentality andmindset, especially with even my
younger clients, I want so muchmore for them.
I'm like, hey, like what do youwant to do with your life?
(28:17):
What has been your ultimatedream?
Or when you were a little girlor whatever that is?
You get what I'm saying, so Icouldn't really answer.
As far as a matrix job level, Iwant, I feel like more people
should just start their ownbusinesses and work on their own
self-employment, because theycan always do better than what
they're doing.
It's just really up to them andwhat they feel are the
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standards or what they feel likethey have to do.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I love that.
You know you've been talkingabout your clients a little bit.
Tell me a little bit about whatyou do with some of your
clients and kind of you knowwhat it looks like, what's the
timeline for a client, and let'ssee here.
Yeah, you know what it lookslike, what's the timeline for a
client, and let's see here.
Yeah, you know when you firststart with someone, you know
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what are some of the typicalthings that you go through with
them to, yeah, to ensure thatthey're going to become, you
know, their best self.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I try to set everybody up for success oh
sorry, I'm getting tongue tiedout for success.
Oh sorry, I'm gettingtongue-tied.
You got it.
I try, yeah, I try to geteverybody set up for success,
meaning again what do they wantfor their lives.
Unfortunately, a lot of what Ideal with is not only past,
(29:33):
present and future, and then Ido mediumship as well.
Other spirits, ones who'vepassed away.
I teach them about spiritguides, present and future.
And then I do mediumship aswell.
Other spirits, once you'vepassed away.
I teach them about spiritguides, spirituality, what it
means to have or go through aspiritual awakening.
But my job is it's what peopledon't know, like behind the
scenes type shit that I wantedto actually share with people.
(29:53):
Funny story, because I do seepast, present and future.
Share with people.
Funny story, um, because I dosee past, present and future.
There's been times where they'vecome to me as my man cheating
and I will let them know whatthe fuck is up, whatever I feel,
whatever, and when I tell you,99.9 of the time, right,
accurate, they were indeedcheating certain things, I see
(30:13):
shit.
So this is what, like thosetarot readers do not talk about
or, on YouTube, they reallydon't talk about.
I have had cases where I was onthe phone with a client and
their man was on the other lineyelling and screaming and
cursing Don't fucking talk toher.
She's crazy, she's a fuckingwacko.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
That's a sign right there.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Hell yeah, it is because they're all fucking
guilty.
That's why they don't want themtalking to me right but no
other psychic on tiktok oranywhere else.
Do they ever talk about the insand out of the shit that you
really have to go through doingthis job?
yeah I have people in othercountries where they don't speak
a lick of english or I don'tspeak a lick of their language
and have to do translator orhave to get somebody to be a
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translator for me.
Different things If the timezone is 14 hours ahead, I got to
wake up at like the ass crackof dawn and everybody's time
zones and there's a lot ofthings that people just see
psychics and mediums from theoutside perspectives like go
through, but they don't reallyknow what we go through like on
the daily too they don't respectit nope exactly right here
(31:24):
exactly right there uh, let'ssee here.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Um, as far as you know, when did you start this uh
journey of, you know, havingdifferent clients and teaching
them?
Did you have someone like amentor yourself that maybe
helped you, or did it kind ofjust come out of nowhere and you
(31:49):
just wanted to help people?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Okay.
So it's a little interesting.
I've always had this gift likeI could always see things.
I'd always have weird dreams,fucking sleep, paralysis, all
these things.
But I didn't really starttrusting myself until probably
my late 20s and stuff okay, Ididn't know how to maneuver it
or operate it and shout out tomommy mel and nicholas shout out
(32:13):
to mommy mel nicholas, that'sher baby and also a martin um,
but at the end of the day it'slike mommy mel, that's my gay
husband's mother okay and when Ifirst met him because I didn't
like all this shit was likewitches and all this when I came
out as a witch and I was goingthrough all this weird shit, we
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were weird, we were the fuckingweirdos.
Now it's all over the place.
Everybody's mother, brother,sister, their cousin thinks
there's a fucking witch andpeople don't like judge too too
much.
But I went through the shitalone, Like when I went through
the C paralysis, my spiritualawakening, and I started to
always feel things whatever.
And then I met my gay husbandand he was.
I used to wear all thesecrystals.
(32:56):
Actually, I think I have garneton right now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Oh nice.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But his mom like as far as, like talking to the dead
and feeling certain energiesand stuff like that it's really
rare to find somebody whoactually doesn't think you're
fucking insane and has beenthrough the same thing.
So he had me like their housewas literally haunted, literally
haunted.
Walk through it, whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Wait, why so?
How is it haunted?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh my God, it's some crazy shit you want me to tell
you.
Yeah, first of all, the spirittouched my hoo-ha when I was
like I swear to fucking God, bro, I got up so motherfucking
quick nick was.
It was in my um nick's room orwhatever, and he was with this
guy at the time.
I fell asleep on the floor.
I literally wake up.
I swear to god the.
The spirit tapped my what myhoo-ha, swear to god casper was.
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It was acting a little it wassomething like some scary movie
shit, but in real life I've hadspirits push me down, take me
physically.
It's not a game.
I know it says in the Biblethey can't touch you, but that's
like Mari, that was a lie.
There's a lot of weird shitthat happens, but she was the
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only person in the whole entireexistence of life who sat me
down.
She saw and felt the samethings, things.
I wasn't fucking crazy.
Well, I am a little bit crazy,I mean, you know, but as far as
the gift in itself.
she was really there for me forso many years Like did she have
like a particular?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
did you guys have like a particular conversation?
That?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
thousands of conversations and she, just she
just got it, she just knew it,and I never had anybody in the
world get me so completely isshe still here?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
is she still alive?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
yeah, oh, yeah, yeah she's still alive, so um I need
to go visit her soon yeah,that's what I was gonna say, but
if I didn't, have her, Iprobably would have thought that
I was like literally, likementally insane and then I've
met some other witches along theline.
Uh hi, liz yo shout out to Lizthat's my dark witch wife, um,
but you know she was the one whokind of introduced me to some
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of the black magic and thingslike that too, but it's.
It's funny because how we bothstarted off, you know drifting,
but then it's like we allrealize like coming back to God
too, so automatically peoplewill just think, oh, which?
Oh, you're of satan you're ifno, that's not how it works.
It's upon intentions.
As long as you're not likethere are some people out here
(35:20):
you really have to like fuckingwatch out for, because yeah,
scams, you mean kind of no, no,no I'm not talking about scams,
like even just people on.
Let's just say, for an example,some girl tried to like serve
you food, okay, and you didn'tknow she was a witch.
People can literally spell yourfood and try to and then give
it to you as like that and theytake it as an offering.
(35:42):
And now guess what?
You just got obsessed oh, shoot, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And then what?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
what can she do if, when I'm obsessed, well, that's
why you got to make sure you'renot dating a witch or what type
of witch that you're dating.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, shoot, okay, I'm going to have to make some calls
after this.
Then let's see here, tell me alittle bit oh, no, we're going
to kind of switch topics alittle bit, but tell me a little
bit about do you have anychildren?
Do you?
Uh, let's see here, um, theparenting style that you have,
(36:15):
you know, compared to like uh,you know some of the advice I
guess you could say like to toyour clients.
Um, tell me about, like thechildren, how many kids do you
have?
One a son, you said one teenager.
Yeah, 15 next month you do notlook like you have a teenager.
So, uh, no, that's awesome anduh, tell me a little bit.
(36:37):
I think we were speaking aboutum being open with him, you know
, and certain things that youare um trying to maybe do
differently yeah and maybe yourparents did, or possibly
grandparents.
But but yeah, tell me about,give me, or you know the
audience, a little bit of adviceon possibly, like you know,
(36:59):
parenting and you know what, howto navigate that complicated
world these days.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, I will say first, as far as not only being
a boy mom, but a teenage boy, Idon't think anybody could have
prepared me for that shit I'mjust like you know right now,
and like he's like taller thanme, he's smart as hell.
We're both life path nines,aquarius, capricorn aquarius.
I'm the opposite of him, butwe're so much alike like.
(37:29):
I'm very open, though, and Ifeel like that's what my parents
did for me.
They were very open so I knewwhat's up.
Obviously there's certainboundaries and things like that.
They have to know their place,be respectful or whatever.
But one thing that I reallypoured out into my child myself
growing up, other than mygreat-grandmother, who had
passed away after that, like myparents were not like I love you
(37:51):
people.
Like I didn't get hugs, Ididn't get fucking reassurance.
I got you talk too much.
Get out of my face.
They're much better now.
I'm not trying to talk shit,but just got to give you all the
backstory of why I am the waythat I am.
It's good that you said that,yeah, because I mean I forget
you know they've learned myfamily's done a lot better
because, guess what, it affectedme in a really big way.
(38:11):
They acknowledge that.
But one thing I never wanted myson to go through was ever have
a second doubt in his mind thathe is not loved and appreciated
, and isn't the best thing thatever fucking happened to me yeah
, I would not be alive.
I would not be here if it wasnot for him what was his name?
One more time pj, pj.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
A shout out to PJ Listen, your mom really loves
you and she talks highly of you,so look out for her later on in
life.
If you could see PJ doing orbeing anything in life, what
could you see him doing or being?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, I always tell him all the time, like being a
single mother, it's always, likeyou know, just been me and him.
One thing I always tell him andhe's seen obviously you know
what we go through and thingslike that and growing up
together.
I always say he's going to bethe best father and the best
husband one day, because he'sseen me go through certain
things and he knows like he'svery respectful I could see him
(39:10):
doing.
He wants to be an actor.
He does animation.
Fun fact my song demons, my son, shout out to shane alexander,
who believed in pj, to get himon that and be like go ahead,
let him breathe, cassie, let himdo his thing.
Pj did his thing and he helpedproduce my song.
And he was only 12 years oldwhen he recorded and featured in
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the song B-I-T-C-H as well,which means beautiful,
intelligent, talented, cool andhot that's what that stands for.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I love that.
Oh, hit him with the.
We'll put that in there, nice.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh, that's amazing but, um you know, I don't want
him to be limited.
I can see him doing whatever hewanted in life, and that's one
thing too, also growing up thatI did differently.
My, my parents, or, you know,my grandma, get a regular job,
do this.
I used to do graphic designing.
I used to love art.
(40:13):
I didn't make me happy yeah youknow so I don't ever want to
force my child just because it'sa good job that he has to do it
.
You know what I'm saying.
I want my kid to do what thefuck he wants and be happy with
his time on earth well, I lovethat.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's awesome.
That's so great to hear.
Let's see here, um, I know wewent through so many different
topics.
No, it's great, I love that.
You know we're able to, youknow, hop back and forth to so
many different things.
Is there anything that youwanted to, you know?
(40:47):
Say that you think that wehaven't talked about or any
particular topics that you thinkare really important, whether
it be I want to pick your brainup something.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
If you're okay with it.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I had this conversation with one of my
friends.
Shout out to Dylan.
Shout out we were talking oneday and he's very, very open you
know about, like mental healthand childhood traumas, and why
does it take a certain type ofman to not be able to open up,
like, what are y'all's men'sfears?
(41:21):
Is it because you guys areafraid of being vulnerable with
somebody or having a safe place,or is it because of how you are
raised or the stigma of men andhow men are supposed to be?
Because, I see, rarely you knowa couple people will be open
and vulnerable and feelcomfortable and safe.
But then you sometimes you gotthat man who keeps everything in
(41:42):
and he just deals with ithimself and you can tell they're
about to blow off their top,but as a man they feel like they
cannot.
Can I ask you about that?
That, or do you ever havecertain fears, or does it depend
?
yeah, it's different becauseyou're a man I think it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I mean, I can only speak for myself.
You know it's crazy, right,there's like 50, 50, 50 percent
of us are men out here.
But I can only speak for whatI've gone through personally and
I see what you're saying,though I do have, you know,
friends and uh, let's see here,um, associates, I guess you
(42:22):
could say, in the music industry, um, who are kind of older men,
who you can tell they they havethat they're kind of like a not
like a ticking time bomb, butyou know it's.
I think it has a lot to do withhaving an outlet, you know, and
being able to uh, you know,flow through that outlet.
(42:46):
And I'm lucky enough to havefound music at the age that I
did, and let's see here, I mean,I played the violin when I was
like six years old.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Shut up.
I did not know that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
So that really helped me just understand how to speak
through something else.
To speak through something else, you know, I think it does have
a lot to do with not even likehaving a therapist per se, but
you do have to have your ownform of therapy and you know,
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mine would be basicallysongwriting, and in that
songwriting I can get my, my, myfears out.
You know, even if it's just ona piece of paper, I I still am
able to to get it out.
So I do feel like, you know,men and women, everyone need
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their own outlet to be able tospeak through.
And even if it's that thingthat you do, like in a room by
yourself, you know, say no oneis even there.
That can be just as beneficial.
But I do see where you'recoming from.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So like men who shut down do not have a proper outlet
.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I would say that they don'thave a proper outlet or a proper
way to communicate with theworld and they kind of put that
wall up and over time that walljust gets higher and higher.
And over time that wall justgets higher and higher and as
that time passes too, they havea harder time taking that U-turn
(44:38):
and saying, ok, you know what Ido?
Feel like I can open up or Ican.
So I feel like the earlier youdo that, or the younger that
you're able to do that, or theyounger that you're able to do
that, the better off that youare later on in life and being
able to communicate with thepeople around you.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I was just thinking in my head there's got to be a
difference between having anoutlet and having a distraction.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, let's see here the difference between an outlet
and a distraction.
I think an outlet is somethingthat serves you internally.
A distraction is something thatserves whatever that thing is
Temporarily like a band-aid.
Yeah, exactly so it's reallywhat the purpose that is tied to
(45:31):
whatever that outside force is.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people tend to
distract themselves, but that'snot us even healing at all.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
We're just distracting.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
whatever it is, we're not taking that time to take a
step back and then like aheartbreak or something like
that.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Right.
Speaking of distractions.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Oh Wait, which ones?
Oh yeah, these right here.
Yeah, the top ones.
all right, okay, let's take two.
If we decide to use the firstone, we can.
Okay, yo, respectingperspectives, fam, thank you for
joining us for another episodehere with the podcast.
I have one of my good friendshere who I've known for about
six or seven years, missCassandra Hurley.
(00:37):
She is a woman of manydifferent facets and terms, but
I'm going to let her tell y'allwho she is and a little bit of
an intro.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay, so I'm Cassandra Hurley.
I am a psychic medium, a lifecoach and a celebrity life coach
.
I've been doing thisprofessionally for at least
going on five years now,especially when everybody told
me no and I couldn't do it.
I did just want to talk about afew things, kind of ending the
(01:10):
stigma, because even being awitch in that word, that
terminology, there seems to be alot of different stigmas.
One thing also on like duality,duality.
I often talk about my alter ego, sunny, hello, she is out
tonight.
Now, as far as you, I want toask you a real last question Do
(01:32):
you have an actual alter ego?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's a good question and we're just going to
let that roll.
Let's see here Alter egos.
Oh my gosh, I have.
I guess you can call it analter ego.
You know what it made me thinkabout when I'm making music,
when I have a different personinside of me that lives there,
(01:57):
when I'm writing music.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Can I just cut you off for one second yeah, please
do I want to throw it back tothe first time that I ever met
you.
Okay, and when you say alterego and then you flip in that
music, because when I firstfirst met you I ended up kind of
going last minute being invitedwhatever, didn't know anybody
except for the person who hostedit, and I was kind of like
(02:20):
Shout out to Prophet, Prophet,thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yo shouts out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And my gay husband was supposed to come that night
and then he ended up not beingable to come.
So I was like damn, I don'twant to go by myself.
I was this close to not evengoing at all to be, honest,
everything, whatever.
And they were like here, theysat me down right next to you,
we were talking, but you kind ofseemed at first really shy,
like for real.
I know it's been a good manyyears, but that's how I kind of
(02:44):
saw you out at that point and itwas like you're very shy, kind
of shelled in, you know reallygood, like person, soul, you are
nice and sweet.
But back then you were totallydifferent, totally different
aura, totally differenteverything.
And I think you asked me was Ihere to perform?
Or something like that.
I did not perform that night,but I was definitely a lot of
(03:05):
great talent at that event.
But when I tell you, when youwent from sitting right next to
me, all innocent, quiet, this,that, and the third Yo, when he
got on that fucking stage, hefucking killed it.
When I tell you he killed it,he shook me, okay, and it takes
a lot these days for me to belike what the fuck?
It was like one of those mouthdrop moments don't ever judge a
(03:28):
book by its cover, okay, butwhen you say, like my alter ego,
a little wild, like I said, sheright here, right now and right
here right now right, but so isyours.
You have like fire in you thispassion and I can definitely see
that alter ego number one a,but now you just got to give him
a name yeah, oh gosh, you'reright, let's see here um.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know what I'm gonna call him chance why chance
?
Because you never know whatyou're gonna get.
You never know it's gonna have.
He's gonna have that energy andhe's gonna have that, uh, that
fire, like you said.
But it really depends on, like,the emotion of the song.
Okay, you know what I'm reallytrying to get out in that
(04:12):
particular song, because I cango from, like you know, one of
those love songs to where oh, Ithought you were gonna do like
country or something you like,the whole.
That was the moment yeah, yeah,you know what, I haven't,
haven't dabbled in that just yet.
Um, I do plan on it at somepoint, uh, but you know it can
go from anywhere to like that.
(04:32):
That.
You know, lovey cheesy side to.
You know I'm like mad and I'mlike trying to get something out
of there.
So I think we're gonna callthem chance.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, people take a chance on Chance because he will
blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Tell me a little bit more about Sonny, though, and
give me kind of where that namecame from, and tell me a typical
day or a typical time whenSonny is out and about.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, a lot of people don't realize when you actually
have this alter ego, it is likea form of protection, ptsd,
whatever.
You go through some shit to apoint where you take that
duality of that rage and youbasically formulate it into its
own entity and being.
And it's like sometimes yourvessel doesn't match your soul
(05:25):
and sometimes you got a lotgoing on in here.
So sunny came from way backwhen, when 2019, I actually I
was homeless at this point too,I had you know it was a
challenge being a single momgoing through that shit and
trying to keep things under wrapand still having, um, how do
(05:46):
you say like not not feelinglike I'm gonna degrade myself or
whatever, but sunny definitelycame out then.
That was my stripper name sookay it was like.
Cassie was like oh no, likedon't do it, don't do it.
But then sunny is like we gonnamake this money and this is
what we're gonna do, and that'swhat it is, and I never really
been like shy on camera oranything, none of that but it's
(06:11):
like when you're okay.
So it's kind of like you know,when you're in the music studio,
you're recording a song, you'rein that booth and something
just takes over you, but itfeels so right, yeah, takes over
you, but it feels so right,yeah.
You, just, you, just that.
That's where Sonny came from,where, when I was on stage, I
had to block everything out.
So then Sonny comes out andboom did the damn thing,
(06:35):
whatever.
But it almost is like Sonnycomes out when I'm in the booth
because I'm taking everythingand I'm in my own little world.
Nothing else and nobody elsematters in those moments except
for what I'm doing with mypassion.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Oh, love that, I love how you kind of dug into that
and I mean think about when youtalk about the sun, I mean you
know it blinds everything thatit, you know, is in front of,
but at the same time it alsofuels all of those things.
So you know you can't look atit, but you know you get your
(07:10):
power from it, you know.
So I feel like that's pretty,that's pretty cool to kind of be
able to harness that and to beable to kind of understand when
that alter ego you know is, isand needs to come out.
And then you know when, wouldyou say, cassie is out and about
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.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Cassie's usually out and about when I'm in my psychic
medium mommy mode.
So everybody like on special,my younger ones, sometimes my
older ones, but Mama Cass, mamaCass is also very protective,
but very much so down to earth,giving very good advice If
people want to actually learn toheal within themselves, type of
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thing.
Sunny usually comes out whenit's a little bit okay, how can
we win, we're going to be toxic.
But that's that side.
Sunny, toxic, toxic needs tolike basically stay out.
I don't think that peopleunderstand to this toxicity that
everybody is carrying on andthinking that it's normalized
and it's okay.
It's not fucking okay.
And this is where I say youwill take out that darkness and
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you a part of duality, whetheryou want to call it your alter
ego, but I feel like a messagethat I want to tell people is
when people are like, oh, it'snot okay, or it's okay to be
okay, no, the fuck it's not.
It's not Self-awareness.
But one thing I keep getting alot in some of my clients is
toxic relationships.
Okay, and part of Sunny, that'smy toxicity.
(08:40):
How do people heal a toxicrelationship?
Self-acknowledgement Okay, soyou acknowledge.
Okay, I need to change this,this, this and this.
So part of the personality hasto stay tucked away in a way.
You know what I'm saying.
I acknowledge that it'sdarkness.
Cassie, is more of the light,the yin and the yang is within
yourself.
You got me but anyways, I wantfemales at least to call back
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their power, call back theirenergy, take back their crown
stop.
It's not okay for a man totreat you or disrespect you in
any other way.
And the toxicity people thinkit's cute.
But when you get my age, howmuch did we learn about that
shit?
yeah, you're so right you know,I feel like everybody's alter
ego, the darkness in them.
Everybody has it, but it's amatter of taking that power and
(09:27):
using it for the correct, properway, how we can navigate our
lives and get our self respectback as women to.
Most, women think they're beinga bitch if they want to stand
up for themselves or saysomething, and you know what I
mean.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's a great point.
Actually, can I ask you thiswhen it comes to I like what you
said with taking back yourcrown, you know why do you think
women give that crown away inthe first place?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Because they do not love themselves and I know this
is going to hurt a lot ofpeople's feelings, but at the
end of the day, I also do notlove myself.
I thought I did, but with themovements and the way that I was
operating, clearly I did notlove myself.
If a man can disrespect you andyou're tolerating it.
If a man can put hands on you,or mentally, spiritually,
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whatever, mentally abuse you,it's not just physical touch
anymore, like it's just like.
I see so many of my clientswent through things that I
personally went through and nowI feel like I need to save them
literally.
So I want people to startunderstanding this toxic shit in
this generation.
It's not okay.
People deserve more.
(10:37):
Stop giving these peoplechances who do not deserve them.
You have to love yourself at theend of the day.
If you do not love yourself,you will never get to your end
goal.
You will never get to your endvision.
Not saying you have to be alone, but you have to take the time
with yourself.
Call back all of that.
Don't let people treat you sometype of fucking way.
If you need to let your alteregos out, let that be a sign,
(10:59):
but use it to call back your ownpower, so people don't keep
playing with you yeah so that'swhere that duality comes in.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Cass is mama Cass, but Sunny is going to be like
we're not fucking around withnothing anymore yeah, let's
actually dig a little bit into,uh, duality itself and uh, you
know, besides the whole likealter ego thing, um, you know,
how else do you feel likeduality is important in our
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everyday life and how do youfeel like most people ignore the
signs of duality?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
and, it's possible, unhealed traumas.
That's what I see as unhealedtraumas the darkness.
If you don't recognize itwithin yourself, you get me
darkness.
If you don't recognize itwithin yourself, you get me.
So, like mental health, forexample, when people say they're
battling their own demons andthings like that.
You have to acknowledge thatthe demons are there so you can
learn to learn to fix that youknow and how do you?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
let's see here.
I mean, if you could dive alittle bit into possibly not.
You know, you don't have to gettoo personal about you know
your own demons, but what?
What looks like a demon and youknow has maybe like a?
You know it looks.
It looks like a wolf in sheep'sclothing.
You know, what would you saylike when you were younger, some
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of the demons that were hard tonotice and that you were able
to notice later on in life.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Are we talking about actual demons?
Because I will.
No, I'm not even I'm a psychicmedium.
This is my fucking life, Likeyou can.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So either way, I mean whatever you know, whatever you
feel like, whether it's anactual visual representation of
a demon or like bad intentions,it's bad intentions people who
are sick, evil individuals okay,that's what I see as a demon.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But people also battle with their own demons
when it comes to addictions,with lies.
I've had a lot of people aroundme um, alcoholics, for example.
That could be their demon.
That is what they need to healwithin themselves.
Okay, but why are they drinkingin the first fucking place?
Let's think about that also.
What triggered them intodrinking?
Are using that as an excuse?
Or you know what I'm saying?
(13:11):
Certain things, those are allbattling demons, the demons of
temptation, because at the endof the day, we are humans living
a human experience, and we arealso of duality, the yin and
yang, because our soul is oursoul, that's our light, but we
also live of the flesh and thevessel, which does carry sin and
temptation.
That's what people are battlingevery single day.
(13:33):
It's just a matter ofacknowledging both, and you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, yeah, tell me a little bit about, because you
sound like you've been able topinpoint some of the particular,
you know hardships in your life.
You know, tell me a little bitabout.
You know we actually spokeabout it earlier.
What was the saying?
(13:58):
Every breakdown.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Every breakdown and all my clients watching this
will know with every breakdowncomes that breakthrough.
But sometimes, honey, you gottahurt to heal and a lot of the
times we don't recognize.
We can't heal if we don'tacknowledge the pain first.
So when we break down, we hitso fucking hard that now we have
no choice but to acknowledgewhat's going on.
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Once you're self-aware of that,you can see what you need to
change or which way you're goingto go, and then you elevate and
now we rebuild that foundationand then that way we can build
it up stronger.
So not every breakdown itshould be something that's like
from the devil or whatever.
Sometimes that is from God orthe universe, but so you can
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have that reset button hit theground, hurt, acknowledge, feel,
keep it pushing and elevate.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, I love the way that you put that and,
yeah, it made me think aboutsome of the times in my life
that I went through some painfulsituations and we were talking
about, you know, going throughsome things, and especially when
it comes to, like health and,like you know, at our age, you
(15:10):
know we weren't warned aboutparticular things that our body
would be going through.
You know, snap, crackle, pop,rice krispies yeah, you said
yeah.
So, yeah, your body goesthrough all of these different
things, not not mentally, butphysically, and you know, if
you're lucky enough, you're ableto bounce back.
(15:32):
You know, and you know how,when you get sick, you get like
a cold or you get that flu, andfor that week, you know, you
feel like dog dirt, but then,like, you know that that week
comes back and you start to getyour energy again.
You know, and you kind of youdo feel like a new person, you
know.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And it makes me think , though, about going through a
breakup, you have that heartacheand pain.
Yeah, but then, as every daygoes, you're doing something
that's meant for you.
So, you can feel better andbetter and better.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, yeah, you're so right and gosh, it makes you
really appreciate and grateful.
You don't realize you knoweverything you have until some
of those things are gone, yeah,are taken away from you.
You know, tell me a little bitabout maybe an experience or two
that you've been through whereyou know something had to be
(16:22):
either taken away, whether it'slike a health issue I know you
know you were.
You speak pretty comfortablyabout some of the things that
you've been through and I reallyappreciate you for opening up
about those things andespecially with you know some
recent, you know, health thingsthat I've been going through.
It's really made me kind of alittle bit sheltered but you've
(16:44):
actually been an inspiration toreally, you know, help me open
up about some of these things.
So tell me you know what, what,what were some things that had
to be kind of taken away fromyou in order for you to realize
you know what you really hadtaken away from me?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Well, I have a couple .
One thing um my own personalhealth too.
I feel like something that'sbeen taken away is, I feel like
my time, and the reason I saythat is because you know me
eventually going blind andlosing my hearing.
I feel like I'm running out oftime and I wish that one I would
(17:20):
have probably got.
You know, stop procrastinatingon.
That's something we tend to dotoo.
Like don't procrastinate onthings or whatever, because you
know there's times that I knowmy eyesight is getting worse and
I can't drive certain place formyself and do certain things,
and it really it makes me crysometimes because I hate being
so codependent and it'ssomething that, like, I feel
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like sometimes that got takenaway.
But also to learn like thingscan happen in an instant.
And also, if you have thesehealth issues or whatever like I
have physical, mental, whatever, it doesn't fucking matter At
the end of the day, as long asyou take care of yourself and be
there for you, don't let thingsstop you from what you really
want to do in life life, becauseGod has a purpose for you in
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every way, shape or form.
So I guess I thought I gotsomething taken away, but it
made me appreciate things a lotmore, that I still have this.
Okay, I'm fine right now, I canstill keep going right now.
So I feel like gratitude.
So I mean bittersweet type ofthings, if that's kind of what.
(18:27):
And then you said to what wassomething that got taken away
and that had to appreciate it.
Um, um, after I got divorced.
I got divorced at 26 years old.
I was dating somebody and I hadprayed and prayed and prayed
and prayed to God for thisspecific person to come into my
life and I think about it tillthis day and it shit because it
(18:58):
is so normalized.
When I was with my ex-husbandfor like, I was with him for
like you know however longalmost like 10 fucking years I
was so used.
You know, we were just young,19 years old Okay, we're both
all good now, but young andwhatever, but it was very toxic
and we knew it was very toxicand stayed way too long and I
didn't really know anything elseother than toxic.
(19:20):
And then I realized laterthrough therapy okay, because
family traumas, generationalcurses, how I grew up in
comfortability and how you knowwhat I'm saying like the long
pattern, generational curses,guys um, they're there, yeah,
attention to them and I alwaystell people all the time, even
my clients, I'm like y'allbetter really appreciate things,
because sometimes, when youpray for something, god at one
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point gave me every single thingon a silver fucking platter all
I had to do was be fuckingappreciative, but because I was
not healed I fucked that up andthen sometimes you lose things
and then you cannot get themback ever.
So I've seen times in my lifewhere things change that quick,
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whether it was health or love,life or whatever.
The fuck changed really fast.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So in an instant, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So I'm very appreciative for things.
Now I've, you know, had certainexpectations, standards,
standards, requirements formyself when it comes to certain
things learning one of my bestfriends, miss angelique bates.
She always told me.
She told me one time she waslike it's not always about the
love, but it is about the lesson.
(20:31):
So even that, even though Ididn't get the love part, I
definitely learned my fuckinglesson.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So now when.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I get things from God .
I'm not going to sit there andbitch and complain at all,
Because just as God can give youit, he'll take it away.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You know what, something that we touched on
before that I think was reallyimportant and can be a great
lesson for a lot of people outthere, especially for people who
are a little bit youngerActually, I'm sorry, a little
bit older but you know, tell meabout, I think, what was the
saying that you said, justbecause it's delayed.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Oh, miss Angelique Bates, one more time.
Let's clap it in the background.
And this is why I fucking loveher?
Because she teaches me things,she challenges my mind and is
supportive, one of the bestactresses ever.
Okay, y'all um, but anyway, shewas telling me, like it's not
always, sometimes it's delayed,but that does not mean that it's
(21:32):
denied oh, okay meaningsometimes when I tell people
past, present, future you get tochoose what you're going to do.
Everybody has free will to maketheir decisions.
So if something's meant for you, you'll never truly miss out on
what something is truly, trulymeant for you, but you will
prolong it by making the wrongdecisions.
You will delay it by making thewrong decisions.
(21:55):
So that was one thing It's'slike.
As long as you have that visionfor yourself and you never give
up, you're gonna have itregardless, because god will not
put that certain vision.
Like me personally, everysingle thing that I've done with
my life.
I had already dreamed about itwhen I was a young girl, over
and over and over again samething with, like that kevin hart
(22:16):
.
I'm like I'm gonna be in a moviewith kevin hart to everybody
else.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It's fucking delusional no, tell, tell the
audience, tell them, give, givethem your goal here.
What's what you got to?
Speak it into existence and themore people that hear it you
know, the more people that can.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah he's gonna find me somehow.
It's gonna be him and steveharvey my fucking idols.
But I will be in a movie withkevin hart, okay I will will
period oh, there you go but I'vealways had this vision for
myself, even getting in thestudio.
All these things have alwayshad the vision.
I feel like people lose thatvision sometimes and again it's
(22:52):
not.
I encourage people to bedelusional.
Be fucking deluluulu as fuck,Like I don't care.
You have that vision in yourmind.
It's going to happen.
Why?
Because God will place it overand again into your heart.
But every single person's soulmission is different.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's where people mix up their passions with their
purpose.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh yeah, dig into that a little bit, tell me about
.
You know what's the?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
difference between passion and purpose Purpose.
I feel like the same thing.
With every breakdown therebecomes a breakthrough why
people go through certain things, like, for example, when I was
homeless, why I went to rehabwhen I was from 16 to 18, I was
there because I was verydepressed.
Other people, alcoholicsAnonymous, chemical dependency,
other people, alcoholicsAnonymous, chemical Dependency
(23:39):
all of that we all had veryindividual, different journeys.
But what I want to do and why Ifeel like I went through
certain things was becauseeventually I always tell people
I'm going to open homelessshelters and with the homeless
shelters I also want to connecta rehabilitation center there.
I want to give people a chance,just a chance to get back on
their own feet, people whoactually want to change.
(24:00):
You know what I mean, like howwe were talking about earlier,
like if people want that chance,I want to make a change in this
world.
So again, I feel like I had togo through certain things in my
life so I could not onlyappreciate but I could do
something about it in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
Let's see here.
But if you could tell me as faras the passion and purpose.
Oh, I'm sorry, sorry guys.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm not only ADD, but I definitely like smoke, so
your favorite weed, which ishere, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
ADD as fuck.
Okay, so passion Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh then you know what low-key that's kind of what I
was getting at I feel, thehomeless, shelter, all those
things, everything that was apart of my purpose plan.
You got to go through certainthings to realize it's not
always about yourself, it'sabout other people, it's about
starting a movement.
So that's what I, when I wasgoing on that ran, that's what I
was talking about.
So, more so my purpose, I feellike, is the whole psychic
mediumship, life coaching.
That's my purpose.
(25:00):
Why?
Because I do it.
Steve Harvey always says likewhen you figure out what your
purpose is, it's like the onething that you do with the least
amount of effort it just comesnaturally to you.
It always ties in with yourpurpose.
So that's when I realized youknow what I love to talk here we
are on a podcast, but to helpother people was my purpose.
(25:24):
I went through what the fuck Iwent through.
So other people, if they comeinto my path, they're not about
to go through any of that shit.
We're going to change the game,make sure they're good.
Now that purpose is with otherpeople.
No, I feel like the passion iswithin yourself.
Now, sometimes your passion andyour purpose can, you know,
overlap or intertwine orwhatever.
But my passion is music.
(25:45):
Like I might not be fuckingWhitney Houston only in the
bathroom shower when no one'saround, because I'm shy as fuck,
but because I'm shy and I haveto work at it.
That means if you have to workfor it, it's probably a passion
you know what I'm saying or ahobby.
But if it's something thatmakes you feel good and you just
know how to do it veryeffortlessly, that's probably
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your purpose in life.
It doesn't got to be whateverybody else is doing and this
, that and the third, but ifyou're called to do it, that's
where you walk within yourpurpose.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, I love that, the way that you put that, and
it really makes me think aboutthroughout life and all of the,
the purposes and passions thatyou know, we think maybe that
we're meant for.
Or you know, maybe even some ofthe things that other people
kind of project you onto you.
(26:37):
I mean we were talking about,like the generational um gaps.
You know and think about, likeyou know, our grandfathers and
grandmothers and you know whatthey thought their purpose was.
You know to to have that, thatjob that steady.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know nine to five that brainwash though that you
know.
Nine to five, that's thatbrainwash though.
That's not purpose.
That's fucking robots andslaves to society.
They're not thinking forthemselves and focusing on what
they want.
Especially back in the daythere were different roles than
there are now.
Do you think men just thoughtthat was their purpose?
And they probably did, becausethat's what they were taught.
But as the generation comes innow, more people are freeing out
(27:17):
from that.
They were taught, but as thegeneration comes into.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now more people are freeing out from that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, for sure.
How do you feel like theyounger generations?
Let's see here how do you feellike you know they should be
existing in this type of world?
You know, as far as, like thenine to five goes, goes, you
(27:40):
know what do you feel like?
A stable job in the futurelooks like.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I know this is something this is going to be
difficult for me yeah honestly,if I'm being completely real as
far as what do you mean like adream job?
What will be there?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
yeah, what would what like being a manager somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I I would hope to god .
It's more than being a managersomewhere to be honest, I would
hope that people want more andmore and more and more and more
for themselves.
Like I don't knock people whoyou know do that in the nine to
five, but with my mentality andmindset, especially with even my
younger clients, I want so muchmore for them.
I'm like, hey, like what do youwant to do with your life?
(28:17):
What has been your ultimatedream?
Or when you were a little girlor whatever that is?
You get what I'm saying, so Icouldn't really answer.
As far as a matrix job level, Iwant, I feel like more people
should just start their ownbusinesses and work on their own
self-employment, because theycan always do better than what
they're doing.
It's just really up to them andwhat they feel are the
(28:37):
standards or what they feel likethey have to do.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I love that.
You know you've been talkingabout your clients a little bit.
Tell me a little bit about whatyou do with some of your
clients and kind of you knowwhat it looks like, what's the
timeline for a client, and let'ssee here.
Yeah, you know what it lookslike, what's the timeline for a
client, and let's see here.
Yeah, you know when you firststart with someone, you know
(29:02):
what are some of the typicalthings that you go through with
them to, yeah, to ensure thatthey're going to become, you
know, their best self.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I try to set everybody up for success oh
sorry, I'm getting tongue tiedout for success.
Oh sorry, I'm gettingtongue-tied.
You got it.
I try, yeah, I try to geteverybody set up for success,
meaning again what do they wantfor their lives.
Unfortunately, a lot of what Ideal with is not only past,
(29:33):
present and future, and then Ido mediumship as well.
Other spirits, ones who'vepassed away.
I teach them about spiritguides, present and future.
And then I do mediumship aswell.
Other spirits, once you'vepassed away.
I teach them about spiritguides, spirituality, what it
means to have or go through aspiritual awakening.
But my job is it's what peopledon't know, like behind the
scenes type shit that I wantedto actually share with people.
(29:53):
Funny story, because I do seepast, present and future.
Share with people.
Funny story, um, because I dosee past, present and future.
There's been times where they'vecome to me as my man cheating
and I will let them know whatthe fuck is up, whatever I feel,
whatever, and when I tell you,99.9 of the time, right,
accurate, they were indeedcheating certain things, I see
(30:13):
shit.
So this is what, like thosetarot readers do not talk about
or, on YouTube, they reallydon't talk about.
I have had cases where I was onthe phone with a client and
their man was on the other lineyelling and screaming and
cursing Don't fucking talk toher.
She's crazy, she's a fuckingwacko.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
That's a sign right there.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Hell yeah, it is because they're all fucking
guilty.
That's why they don't want themtalking to me right but no
other psychic on tiktok oranywhere else.
Do they ever talk about the insand out of the shit that you
really have to go through doingthis job?
yeah I have people in othercountries where they don't speak
a lick of english or I don'tspeak a lick of their language
and have to do translator orhave to get somebody to be a
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translator for me.
Different things If the timezone is 14 hours ahead, I got to
wake up at like the ass crackof dawn and everybody's time
zones and there's a lot ofthings that people just see
psychics and mediums from theoutside perspectives like go
through, but they don't reallyknow what we go through like on
the daily too they don't respectit nope exactly right here
(31:24):
exactly right there uh, let'ssee here.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Um, as far as you know, when did you start this uh
journey of, you know, havingdifferent clients and teaching
them?
Did you have someone like amentor yourself that maybe
helped you, or did it kind ofjust come out of nowhere and you
(31:49):
just wanted to help people?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Okay.
So it's a little interesting.
I've always had this gift likeI could always see things.
I'd always have weird dreams,fucking sleep, paralysis, all
these things.
But I didn't really starttrusting myself until probably
my late 20s and stuff okay, Ididn't know how to maneuver it
or operate it and shout out tomommy mel and nicholas shout out
(32:13):
to mommy mel nicholas, that'sher baby and also a martin um,
but at the end of the day it'slike mommy mel, that's my gay
husband's mother okay and when Ifirst met him because I didn't
like all this shit was likewitches and all this when I came
out as a witch and I was goingthrough all this weird shit, we
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were weird, we were the fuckingweirdos.
Now it's all over the place.
Everybody's mother, brother,sister, their cousin thinks
there's a fucking witch andpeople don't like judge too too
much.
But I went through the shitalone, Like when I went through
the C paralysis, my spiritualawakening, and I started to
always feel things whatever.
And then I met my gay husbandand he was.
I used to wear all thesecrystals.
(32:56):
Actually, I think I have garneton right now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Oh nice.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But his mom like as far as, like talking to the dead
and feeling certain energiesand stuff like that it's really
rare to find somebody whoactually doesn't think you're
fucking insane and has beenthrough the same thing.
So he had me like their housewas literally haunted, literally
haunted.
Walk through it, whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Wait, why so?
How is it haunted?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh my God, it's some crazy shit you want me to tell
you.
Yeah, first of all, the spirittouched my hoo-ha when I was
like I swear to fucking God, bro, I got up so motherfucking
quick nick was.
It was in my um nick's room orwhatever, and he was with this
guy at the time.
I fell asleep on the floor.
I literally wake up.
I swear to god the.
The spirit tapped my what myhoo-ha, swear to god casper was.
(33:45):
It was acting a little it wassomething like some scary movie
shit, but in real life I've hadspirits push me down, take me
physically.
It's not a game.
I know it says in the Biblethey can't touch you, but that's
like Mari, that was a lie.
There's a lot of weird shitthat happens, but she was the
(34:06):
only person in the whole entireexistence of life who sat me
down.
She saw and felt the samethings, things.
I wasn't fucking crazy.
Well, I am a little bit crazy,I mean, you know, but as far as
the gift in itself.
she was really there for me forso many years Like did she have
like a particular?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
did you guys have like a particular conversation?
That?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
thousands of conversations and she, just she
just got it, she just knew it,and I never had anybody in the
world get me so completely isshe still here?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
is she still alive?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
yeah, oh, yeah, yeah she's still alive, so um I need
to go visit her soon yeah,that's what I was gonna say, but
if I didn't, have her, Iprobably would have thought that
I was like literally, likementally insane and then I've
met some other witches along theline.
Uh hi, liz yo shout out to Lizthat's my dark witch wife, um,
but you know she was the one whokind of introduced me to some
(35:00):
of the black magic and thingslike that too, but it's.
It's funny because how we bothstarted off, you know drifting,
but then it's like we allrealize like coming back to God
too, so automatically peoplewill just think, oh, which?
Oh, you're of satan you're ifno, that's not how it works.
It's upon intentions.
As long as you're not likethere are some people out here
(35:20):
you really have to like fuckingwatch out for, because yeah,
scams, you mean kind of no, no,no I'm not talking about scams,
like even just people on.
Let's just say, for an example,some girl tried to like serve
you food, okay, and you didn'tknow she was a witch.
People can literally spell yourfood and try to and then give
it to you as like that and theytake it as an offering.
(35:42):
And now guess what?
You just got obsessed oh, shoot, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
And then what?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
what can she do if, when I'm obsessed, well, that's
why you got to make sure you'renot dating a witch or what type
of witch that you're dating.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, shoot, okay, I'm going to have to make some calls
after this.
Then let's see here, tell me alittle bit oh, no, we're going
to kind of switch topics alittle bit, but tell me a little
bit about do you have anychildren?
Do you?
Uh, let's see here, um, theparenting style that you have,
(36:15):
you know, compared to like uh,you know some of the advice I
guess you could say like to toyour clients.
Um, tell me about, like thechildren, how many kids do you
have?
One a son, you said one teenager.
Yeah, 15 next month you do notlook like you have a teenager.
So, uh, no, that's awesome anduh, tell me a little bit.
(36:37):
I think we were speaking aboutum being open with him, you know
, and certain things that youare um trying to maybe do
differently yeah and maybe yourparents did, or possibly
grandparents.
But but yeah, tell me about,give me, or you know the
audience, a little bit of adviceon possibly, like you know,
(36:59):
parenting and you know what, howto navigate that complicated
world these days.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, I will say first, as far as not only being
a boy mom, but a teenage boy, Idon't think anybody could have
prepared me for that shit I'mjust like you know right now,
and like he's like taller thanme, he's smart as hell.
We're both life path nines,aquarius, capricorn aquarius.
I'm the opposite of him, butwe're so much alike like.
(37:29):
I'm very open, though, and Ifeel like that's what my parents
did for me.
They were very open so I knewwhat's up.
Obviously there's certainboundaries and things like that.
They have to know their place,be respectful or whatever.
But one thing that I reallypoured out into my child myself
growing up, other than mygreat-grandmother, who had
passed away after that, like myparents were not like I love you
(37:51):
people.
Like I didn't get hugs, Ididn't get fucking reassurance.
I got you talk too much.
Get out of my face.
They're much better now.
I'm not trying to talk shit,but just got to give you all the
backstory of why I am the waythat I am.
It's good that you said that,yeah, because I mean I forget
you know they've learned myfamily's done a lot better
because, guess what, it affectedme in a really big way.
(38:11):
They acknowledge that.
But one thing I never wanted myson to go through was ever have
a second doubt in his mind thathe is not loved and appreciated
, and isn't the best thing thatever fucking happened to me yeah
, I would not be alive.
I would not be here if it wasnot for him what was his name?
One more time pj, pj.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
A shout out to PJ Listen, your mom really loves
you and she talks highly of you,so look out for her later on in
life.
If you could see PJ doing orbeing anything in life, what
could you see him doing or being?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, I always tell him all the time, like being a
single mother, it's always, likeyou know, just been me and him.
One thing I always tell him andhe's seen obviously you know
what we go through and thingslike that and growing up
together.
I always say he's going to bethe best father and the best
husband one day, because he'sseen me go through certain
things and he knows like he'svery respectful I could see him
(39:10):
doing.
He wants to be an actor.
He does animation.
Fun fact my song demons, my son, shout out to shane alexander,
who believed in pj, to get himon that and be like go ahead,
let him breathe, cassie, let himdo his thing.
Pj did his thing and he helpedproduce my song.
And he was only 12 years oldwhen he recorded and featured in
(39:31):
the song B-I-T-C-H as well,which means beautiful,
intelligent, talented, cool andhot that's what that stands for.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I love that.
Oh, hit him with the.
We'll put that in there, nice.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh, that's amazing but, um you know, I don't want
him to be limited.
I can see him doing whatever hewanted in life, and that's one
thing too, also growing up thatI did differently.
My, my parents, or, you know,my grandma, get a regular job,
do this.
I used to do graphic designing.
I used to love art.
(40:13):
I didn't make me happy yeah youknow so I don't ever want to
force my child just because it'sa good job that he has to do it
.
You know what I'm saying.
I want my kid to do what thefuck he wants and be happy with
his time on earth well, I lovethat.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's awesome.
That's so great to hear.
Let's see here, um, I know wewent through so many different
topics.
No, it's great, I love that.
You know we're able to, youknow, hop back and forth to so
many different things.
Is there anything that youwanted to, you know?
(40:47):
Say that you think that wehaven't talked about or any
particular topics that you thinkare really important, whether
it be I want to pick your brainup something.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
If you're okay with it.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I had this conversation with one of my
friends.
Shout out to Dylan.
Shout out we were talking oneday and he's very, very open you
know about, like mental healthand childhood traumas, and why
does it take a certain type ofman to not be able to open up,
like, what are y'all's men'sfears?
(41:21):
Is it because you guys areafraid of being vulnerable with
somebody or having a safe place,or is it because of how you are
raised or the stigma of men andhow men are supposed to be?
Because, I see, rarely you knowa couple people will be open
and vulnerable and feelcomfortable and safe.
But then you sometimes you gotthat man who keeps everything in
(41:42):
and he just deals with ithimself and you can tell they're
about to blow off their top,but as a man they feel like they
cannot.
Can I ask you about that?
That, or do you ever havecertain fears, or does it depend
?
yeah, it's different becauseyou're a man I think it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I mean, I can only speak for myself.
You know it's crazy, right,there's like 50, 50, 50 percent
of us are men out here.
But I can only speak for whatI've gone through personally and
I see what you're saying,though I do have, you know,
friends and uh, let's see here,um, associates, I guess you
(42:22):
could say, in the music industry, um, who are kind of older men,
who you can tell they they havethat they're kind of like a not
like a ticking time bomb, butyou know it's.
I think it has a lot to do withhaving an outlet, you know, and
being able to uh, you know,flow through that outlet.
(42:46):
And I'm lucky enough to havefound music at the age that I
did, and let's see here, I mean,I played the violin when I was
like six years old.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Shut up.
I did not know that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
So that really helped me just understand how to speak
through something else.
To speak through something else, you know, I think it does have
a lot to do with not even likehaving a therapist per se, but
you do have to have your ownform of therapy and you know,
(43:26):
mine would be basicallysongwriting, and in that
songwriting I can get my, my, myfears out.
You know, even if it's just ona piece of paper, I I still am
able to to get it out.
So I do feel like, you know,men and women, everyone need
(43:49):
their own outlet to be able tospeak through.
And even if it's that thingthat you do, like in a room by
yourself, you know, say no oneis even there.
That can be just as beneficial.
But I do see where you'recoming from.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So like men who shut down do not have a proper outlet
.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I would say that they don'thave a proper outlet or a proper
way to communicate with theworld and they kind of put that
wall up and over time that walljust gets higher and higher.
And over time that wall justgets higher and higher and as
that time passes too, they havea harder time taking that U-turn
(44:38):
and saying, ok, you know what Ido?
Feel like I can open up or Ican.
So I feel like the earlier youdo that, or the younger that
you're able to do that, or theyounger that you're able to do
that, the better off that youare later on in life and being
able to communicate with thepeople around you.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I was just thinking in my head there's got to be a
difference between having anoutlet and having a distraction.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, let's see here the difference between an outlet
and a distraction.
I think an outlet is somethingthat serves you internally.
A distraction is something thatserves whatever that thing is
Temporarily like a band-aid.
Yeah, exactly so it's reallywhat the purpose that is tied to
(45:31):
whatever that outside force is.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people tend to
distract themselves, but that'snot us even healing at all.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
We're just distracting.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
whatever it is, we're not taking that time to take a
step back and then like aheartbreak or something like
that.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Right.
Speaking of distractions.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Oh Wait, which ones?
Oh yeah, these right here.
Yeah, the top ones.
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