Fueling Your Inner Fire Featuring Pinki of Lighter Fluid Designs

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What does it truly mean to become yourself? In this soul-stirring conversation with designer and spiritual seeker Pinki of Lighter Fluid Designs, we explore the profound journey toward authentic self-expression in a world constantly trying to define us.

Pinki shares her transformation from Katie to the pink-haired creator she is today, revealing how early spiritual teachings shaped her understanding of life's purpose. "Our thoughts are prayers and we are always praying," she recalls from her youth—a philosophy that continues to guide her creative work and personal evolution.

The conversation takes us through unexpected territory as we explore what happens when our spiritual foundations meet real-world challenges. From living on an unfinished sailboat in winter to creating a jacket for musical artist Jessie Reyez, Pinki's experiences illustrate how our most difficult moments often fuel our greatest growth. Her powerful tree analogy reminds us that our most important work happens beneath the surface: "The hardest working part of the tree is the roots—and you can't even see them."

We dive deep into finding balance through seasonal living, listening to our bodies, and embracing the different versions of ourselves that emerge throughout life. Pinki's insights on commitment as "a constant choice" and her message to her younger self about craving depth in relationships will resonate with anyone who's ever felt like an outsider for wanting more meaningful connections.

Whether you're on your own journey of self-discovery or simply curious about how creativity and spirituality can intersect to create a more authentic life, this episode offers fuel for your inner fire. As Pinki encourages: get to know yourself from a non-judgmental place and become a version of yourself you're proud of—it's a lifelong process worth embracing.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
let me just tell you I am feeling myself.
You look pretty good in themirror.
I had to take a video.
I did.
It was like I'm so glad youlike it this is.
This is my.
I might just wear this everyday yes, I think you should I

(00:27):
might just wear this every day.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I think between our two, like eccentric outfits and
then all your decor, like havingclothing just like around would
have been too much.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I you know it does kind of overcrowd the idea to
like promote, but yeah this isloud enough.
Yeah, this is, you're right.
You're right, we're shoutinghere, man, okay.
Well, we're here at thewatermelon room with the
respecting perspectives podcastand I have a young lady who has

(00:57):
been very inspiring as ofrecently and just flourishing
with ideas and concepts, and herbacking with spirituality,
which we'll get into, has beenguiding.
Yeah.

(01:17):
Yeah, it really has.
It really has.
So I'm super grateful to haveyou here.
Thank you for having me.
Why don't you tell the peoplewho you are a little bit, give
them a little bit of history andkind of the brand itself?
We can build this however wewant.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, well, most people around Baltimore know me
as Pinky.
My birth name is CatherineLinnea.
I grew up as Katie Never lovedthe name, though, because I was
one of like six Katie's in theneighborhood.
Oh really, and I wanted to bespecial.
I wanted to be, you know,unique and different.
For sure.
My best friend, she was a Katie.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And because my middle name was Linnea, I got Katie
Lynn.
Oh, that was so country.
It does have a country ringtoneto it, and my wonderful parents
who allowed me and my brotherto express ourselves in a
multitude of ways.
12 years old, cut off my hairabout your length and dyed it
pink Really, yeah.

(02:17):
And when I moved to Frederick,adopted the name Pinky there you
go, so all the pink hair.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Oh my gosh, let me tell you something.
Name Pinky, there you go.
So all the pink hair, oh mygosh.
Let me tell you something.
You can rock anything, but Ithink that is perfect for your
kind of the vibe that you giveoff.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's where Pinky came from.
But in terms of lighter fluiddesigns, which is my brand, that
I'm building clothing andlifestyle brand lighter fluid
designs lighter fluid designslighter fluid the reason I chose
that name is because I want tolight people's fire.
I want to create, I want todesign products that inspire
people to express some part ofthemselves that they may not

(02:55):
otherwise.
There's nothing I love morethan playing dress up, so I
totally envision having a storethat has all this eclectic wild
stuff jewelry, clothing andpeople coming in and just being
like amazed if it's notimmediately their thing where
they're like yes, this is mystore right they're just like
what is this place?
and I just get them to put stuffon there you go and just like

(03:18):
try it and like look atthemselves in the mirror and
just like beautiful, help themsee a whole other side of
themselves yeah, oh, that's,that's lovely.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's so cool to see that I have a little story.
Um, when I was younger andprobably like a few years ago
I'd be ashamed to say this, butnow I'm an open book and, uh,
when I was maybe like four yearsold to like seven, I had a lot
of girl cousins and there's VHStapes of this somewhere, okay,

(03:49):
uh, on my on my uncle blazeswall somewhere, uh, of them
dressing me up, Yep, and I meanI'm not even ashamed to say it
now, that was, that was goodtimes, you know what I mean.
Like that was just like whocared?
You didn't care what you lookedlike, you didn't care.
You know the energy that youwere given off, you were just

(04:12):
unapologetically you, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
You were just trying new stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, and gosh, it was so funny because I didn't
really I haven't thought aboutthat in a while, you know.
So it's funny to think aboutthat in a while, you know.
So it's funny to to think aboutthat and shout out the cousins
we got colleen, eileen andchrissy and man, they just uh,
yeah, we're just, you know,having fun.

(04:37):
The last podcast with wyatt wewere talking about, you know,
just things as a kid that wekind of missed and uh, we, we
talked about like summer campsand things like that.
You know, is there anythingfrom your childhood that you
know like either you like reallymiss or like times in your head
that you like to really revisit?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I love designing my Halloween costume with my mom
every year.
That's one thing that comes offto the top of my head.
Yeah, um, what was?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
your favorite uh of all the costumes.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's a tough one.
My favorite of all the costumesI don't know about my favorite.
One of the coolest ones is Iwanted to be a bat okay so my
mom made me like these legitwings.
Like the whole thing was fromscratch.
Every costume was always fromscratch.
Like November 1st, the dayafter Halloween, I am planning

(05:30):
365 days in advance for mycostume the next year.
So she made me these wings outof like coat hangers, which
surprisingly are not easy tounbend at all, and she unbent
them and hooked them alltogether and this miraculous
thing happened because weweren't expecting this.
So she made these like whatwould have been life-size

(05:52):
proportional wings if I wasactually a bat, and she put
these loops at the corners ofthe wings so that I could hold
them and actually like flap them.
Oh, wow.
But when I took my hands out andjust like let the wings go,
they folded behind me perfectly,and when I would walk they
would bounce as if they wereflapping.

(06:12):
It was just.
It was really cool.
Oh, my goodness so that's justlike the one that comes to my
mind right now, but I was somany things and she, whatever we
wanted to be, she was like allright, we'll figure it out,
we'll make it work.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
What's one quality that you really appreciate and
love in your mom?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Definitely her ingenuity, her ability to, like,
solve problems.
You know, in the context ofcostume making, right it's like,
okay, here's this ridiculousidea Life giant-sized bat wings
you know, and she just has amind 's like a macgyver, you
know she can just like yeah, shecould like totally just figure
something out.
She can see the mechanics ofthings or like what would be a

(06:53):
great material to like make thisthing happen.
She's really good at helpingpeople with like practical
problems.
Like she really wanted to workwith kids with disabilities,
okay, who like maybe buttonswere too hard for them you know
and just like find ways to likemake their lives easier.
So but yeah, she's just superand I get that from her and I

(07:15):
really appreciate that.
She always encouraged me tolike be expressive and be weird
and like and make stuff.
You know she taught me how tosew, and that's certainly you
know and make stuff.
You know.
She taught me how to sew, andthat's certainly you know, the
the the heart of you know wherethis all comes from.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
So yeah, gosh, let me tell you I, I, I'm, I'm feeling
myself today.
I really am, I'm feeling you,you look good.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm feeling you too, gosh.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And these are some pieces that uh Pinky has uh for
sale and um, she got.
She's been out here vending atfestivals and all these
different things.
How long has lighter fluid beena thing?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
So I would say I probably decided to get serious
about it at the end of 22.
So I guess that really kind ofonly means like two years.
It was just as I was graduatingcollege which went too late.
So I was like end of 22 I was32, um, and I decided that this
is really what makes me happyand what I want to do so.
I've only been doing it for twoyears okay, the the thought

(08:19):
behind it, though.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Um, so lighter fluid you did.
You dug a little bit into it,but um, yeah, what if you could
kind of you know where does thename itself come from?
And um, yeah, what does it meanto you?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
lighter fluid.
So, definitely, I want toprovide, like the fuel, the fuel
to like, encourage people toexpress themselves, to connect
with their authentic selves.
Um, my logo, um, which is onthe back of your shirt, is uh,
it's showing up here too.
Um, it's a triangle, which isthe elemental symbol for fire.

(08:56):
Um, there's a flame on theinside, and that to me.
I actually love talking topeople about my logo because I
love asking other people whatthey see in it, and I've heard
so many beautiful things and myown meaning has, like, evolved
over time.
But so there's this flame inthe middle that could symbolize
like everybody's individualityand their flame or their own

(09:17):
soul, you know, their uniqueness, their specialness, um, and
then around the logo is a seriesof graduated dots.
There's like three large onesand the other ones are kind of
smaller, and for me that almostsymbolizes like the different
versions of ourselves that weare throughout our lives.
So you could say, for mostpeople maybe there's three

(09:38):
different versions of themselves.
Okay, that can vary.
And then there's these otherkind of transitional selves
between those pivotal, you knowpeople that we are, you know,
and there can be things thathappen in our life that make
that change, you know, thatcause us to become different
people, for better or for worse.
You know, right, my life is anevolution and I want it to be an

(10:02):
evolution.
I want to be growing, you know,mentally, emotionally,
spiritually, especially.
That's something that's alwaysmotivated me and been so
fascinating to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I can tell.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, so that's kind of the namesake, I feel like, of
lighter fluid.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
If you could tell me.
So.
You taught me a few things inthat.
First off was that theelemental symbol for fire is a
triangle.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, the upward facing triangle.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Upward facing triangle, and then you said that
most people have three.
Three, you know parts ofthemselves.
What would you say?
The three pillars in your lifeare?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think I meant like more versions of themselves but
yeah, you could totally see itthat way like pillars of who you
are right, so those dots couldresemble like pillars, just
foundational, like charactertraits or anything or aspects,
right, so maybe you could sayyour emotional self, your
physical self, your spiritualself, your physical self, your
spiritual self.

(11:04):
You could say like for me,maybe some of the foundational
things for me, um, honesty andauthenticity, like that it goes
hand in hand to me, like howsomebody said to me recently I
wish I could remember where thequote came from, okay, but it
was like said the hardest thingwe will do in our lives is

(11:25):
become ourselves.
And how much of a battle andjourney it can be to just be who
you really are right with somany influences, oh my gosh, yes
, around the world trying to putus in a box all the time, put
us in in in conflicting boxes,right, like be this but be that,

(11:48):
and those things aren't thesame, and somehow you're
supposed to try to be both andyou're supposed to be all these
things.
But who are you?
What do you want out of life?
What makes you joyful?
You know, where do you sourceyour strength?
Um, so yeah, I would say ofthose pillars, right, I would
definitely say honesty andauthenticity is something that's
really important to me.

(12:08):
I might have to think harderabout the other ones.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, I know it's a good thought, right?
I think everybody else at homeshould be thinking about yeah,
right, and you're, you're goingto take influences in and you're
going to, you know, be seeingall these different worlds that

(12:32):
are around you, but, like, howcan you create the strength to
you know, be yourself, you knowand it's wild and you know, be
yourself.
Yeah, you know it's wild and youknow.
I think one of the pillars thatyou originally mentioned was
spirituality.
For sure, yeah, tell the peopleout in the world here, kind of,

(12:54):
what spirituality means to you.
Oh, boy when it's come from.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, so I actually grew up in a spiritual community
.
For sure, it was called Unity,which is considered a church,
oddly enough at the time I went.
So I went from the time I wasprobably like I don't know seven
until I graduated high school,for whatever reason.
At my church in my chapterthey're all over the country,

(13:19):
maybe even over the world, Idon't know.
For whatever reason at mychapter in Gaithersburg at that
time they never really talkedabout Jesus, didn't really talk
about scripture, so I didn'tlearn much about Jesus the way
my mom phrases.
She said she felt our churchwas more concerned about the
teachings of Jesus, like what hewanted us to know, how he

(13:40):
wanted us to be.
They were more concerned aboutthat than they were about
teaching about Jesus, like whoJesus was.
So I didn't really get thatfoundational understanding.
But I loved my church.
I didn't want to miss anySunday.
High school was like going togroup therapy.
You know we would go.

(14:01):
It would be a room full ofteenagers, like I don't know.
It could be anywhere from likefive of us to like 15 or 20 of
us any main sunday and we hadsome adults in the room that
were called our sponsors andlike they might have some theme
or topic for us to discuss.
But we wouldn't even always getto that we would always start

(14:22):
the the hour by, like everybody,sharing their highs and lows
for the week, so it was anopportunity to talk about, like
to celebrate with each otheryeah people that you had this
like spiritual connection withan opportunity to celebrate and
an opportunity to like shareyour suffering and sometimes get
like help and support throughthat.
So I feel like I grew up throughthis really difficult middle
school high school years withthis spiritual community always

(14:46):
loving me and always supportingme, no matter what I was going
through, no matter what boyproblem.
You know I had to share thatweek.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
To think about.
That is interesting, right,like the challenges that you had
when you were a kid and I thinkyou had mentioned something
about being young, though, andlike realizing, kind of like,
what meditation was right yeah,dig a little bit into that and

(15:16):
what meditation has meant to youand your ability to have been
blessed with learning it at sucha young age.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
For sure.
You know, something we talkedabout a few weeks ago on that
phone call was about howpsychedelics can really like
open people's mind to this ideaof God.
Right, what is God and how doesthat show up in your life, and
how psychedelics can be such a atransformational moment for
people spiritually and for me.

(15:48):
I just got that from when I wasyoung, from that church,
because we were taught that Godis all good and ever-present
everywhere, that God is ineverything and God is in
everyone, and so I kind of grewup with this true belief that
life is beautiful, high five.

(16:11):
Right Now I also had.
I can recognize that I had aprivileged upbringing in many
respects.
I didn't have an abusive home,so there are things about my
life that made it easy tobelieve that.
But yeah, so we.
Some of the things that welearned early on like middle

(16:32):
school, maybe even earlier waslike how to meditate.
You know how to sit and how totry to converse with God and how
to quiet, try to quiet yourmind and listen for God's voice
or guided meditations for someobjective.
Yeah, actually, when I was inelementary school they had
people from other faiths.

(16:52):
I remember a Buddhist monkcoming to our church to teach us
about their faith.
They were super into tolerance,inclusivity and just like it's
all God man.
Let's just get along andthrough that teaching, through
that education, I learned also alot about the power of positive

(17:13):
thinking and prayer, and we hadthese retreats in middle school
and in high school and we wouldsing all our little kumbaya
songs and there was this onesong that the lyrics are our
thoughts are prayers and we arealways praying.
Say it again, say that Ourthoughts are prayers and we are
always praying.
Our thoughts are prayers.

(17:34):
Listen to what they're saying,seek a higher consciousness, a
state of peacefulness, and knowthat God is always there and
every thought becomes a prayer.
So I grew up like you can dropthe mic right now, because that
is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Thanks to unity.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Thanks to God, yeah, no, it's like so.
When you absorb those things asa kid and you like believe them
and you just take them in,you're like my words have power,
my thoughts have power, right?
So if I'm speaking negativelyabout myself, if I'm speaking
negatively about my teacher ormy friends or my circumstances,

(18:11):
like it's just going toexacerbate that you know it
could just create more of that.
So I think from a young age Iwas kind of trained to have
positive outlook, positivethoughts, and I'm so grateful
for that.
I really really am.
But I do feel like in some waysI was limited Later in life as

(18:37):
I started encountering somereally difficult things.
I was self-aware enough at myearly 20s to know that I had a
privileged upbringing and therewas some part of my heart that
was like God, I want to knowwhat the meaning of hard work is
.
Not that.
I hadn't worked hard not that wedidn't have struggles in my

(18:58):
family, but I knew that I wasblessed and, you know, because I
believe that our thoughts areprayers, it's like one of those
things, it's like careful whatyou wish for, you're like I
don't want to pray for this, butthe thought's there and I can't
undo it and it's always there.
And so I started encounteringsome challenges in my 20s and my
last relationship, and then inthis relationship and I'm

(19:22):
happily married now.
But this marriage has been Imean, the relationship has not
been without its challenges.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Of course, every relationship is.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, and yeah, some of the challenges that I dealt
with were so, so difficult thatmy religious found my spiritual
foundation, gave me a sense ofresponsibility and control that
I didn't necessarily have Right.
So when your life is going goodand you're like manifesting all

(19:50):
these great things into yourlife, like you feel amazing, but
when difficult things come upthat you don't have control over
, got really depressed and I waslike why?
is this happening?
Why can't I positive think myway out of this, you know, why
can't I just change this?
Why can't I just thinkdifferently and not be so upset
about this?
So, in some way, at least theway I interpreted the spiritual

(20:13):
messages at the time that I wasthere, that's kind of I I think
a little bit limited and stuntedwith the spiritual foundation
that I had.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So you know what Something that I want you to
touch on more is.
You said like the meaning ofhard work.
Do you what do you feel likethat consists of?
Like where does that like doesit mean?
Like physically, like workinghard, picking things up and
moving them?
Or like you know what is hardwork to you?

(20:46):
Like what is that?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I love the question and I think it meant a lot of
different things to me, but I'mlaughing because the first thing
that happened to me once thatrequest to God started coming up
was I moved on to an unfinishedin process of renovation
33-foot sailboat.
Oh wow, with a man I was notmeant to be with and lived on

(21:11):
this boat, moved on to this boat, left Baltimore two days before
Christmas, when most peopleleave in October.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
We left December, we barely missed a snowstorm and it
was.
That was a very challenging.
Can you imagine?
Can?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
you imagine?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Let me just try, it's so hard to like fully explain
what it's like to live on asailboat, and I had no problems
doing it.
I was like, yeah, this is great.
When I was a little kid, mymom's parents lived on a
sailboat.
Oh cool.
And so when everyone went tovisit grandma and grandpa, we
went to visit them on their boat, wherever that was.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Oh, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Florida, maine, whatever.
So I was not foreign to thisidea at all what I can do.
But we are on this unfinishedboat.
Any holes in it?
Okay, no holes.
But let me tell you because myex at that time he was so
stubborn, so hardheaded,everything had to be his way.
And so we left, december 22nd Ithink, baltimore, anyways, we

(22:12):
made it partway down theChesapeake, docked at a closed
restaurant, closed for theseason, and then we were
checking the weather before weleave the next day and it's like
, hey, might be like a littlechoppy.
Didn't sound like anythingcrazy to us.
He did not have as muchexperience as I thought he had.
I trusted him fully.
You have what's called foulweather gear, which is right,

(22:35):
like your, your yellow suitright, your yellow, your little
hat, your little, keep you dry,right if?
It's raining or something andwe untie our bow.
We're like all right, we'regonna go further down the
chesapeake.
We it was so choppy the thewaves didn't sound like they
were going to be tall, butwhat's happening is it's kind of
shallow so they're hitting offthe bottom floor more quickly

(22:57):
okay, and so we're out there.
Water is coming over the bow ohand it's pouring right.
I have never been so cold in mylife and probably scared I was.
I wasn't too scared, but I wasscared there was another time
where it's more scared.
We had to call the coast guard.
Oh or coast guard actuallycalled us I know that's a whole
other story, but like we, sowe're like.

(23:18):
All right, we have to turnaround like we can't make any
headway.
We are soaking wet.
We're miserable.
We didn't have a shower.
Our toilet hardly worked.
He had to boil water on thestove top, go outside the boat,
pour it in through like thelittle hole in the ceiling.
I don't remember why that wasthere into like what the shower
stall was to like try to warm up.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay.
So when we're talking about themeaning of hard work, like just
that relationship was hard workand it prepared me for the one
that I'm in now.
But I think hard work was likethere was definitely a physical
aspect.
There was like I want to knowwhat it means to like make a
house work Right, and we werelike I want to know what it
means to like make a houseworkRight, and we were like

(23:59):
literally had to restore thisboat to have a home that floats
on water, yeah, and to be ableto travel on it and so and yeah,
so, like building things, thatwas something tied into hard
work.
I'd always worked hard inrelationships, okay, but I knew,
I think, there was a new levelof work I wanted to do in
relationships.
My very first relationshiptaught me how important honesty

(24:21):
is how important is to beyourself like, authentic, even
if, um, even if it means riskingthe relationship, like you have
to be you if, because if therelationship for me, I was like,
if the relationship's working,I want to know that it's
honestly working.
Yeah, that I didn't hide anypart of myself you know that

(24:41):
this person really loves me forme and accepts me for me and if
it's not working, then I knowit's honestly not working and I
don't have to have any regretsthat I didn't share, that it
wasn't myself, you know, maybeit could have worked if I you
know so honesty I learned in myfirst relationship.
So into that relationship,sailboat guy was able to

(25:02):
practice that.
That's how I came to Baltimore.
Thank you, sailboat guy Broughtme to all my Baltimore friends.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Thank you, sailboat guy.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So yeah, and then the things that I learned in that
relationship and getting topractice honesty, but you know,
him and I were just so notcompatible set me up for the
next relationship, which is nowmy marriage, and you know I
believe him and I are soulmates,there's no question.

(25:29):
Oh, that's beautiful.
But there was stuff that I knewI needed to learn.
Even though I didn't know whatit was, there was something in
my heart that said God, I justwant to know what it means to
have to work hard for certainthings when, as a kid, most
things that I needed wereprovided to me.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
You know there's a term, gosh I don't know the
exact name of the term, but Iwill do some research after this
to figure this out 100% butbasically what it means is, at
the end of the day, when yourest your head on the pillow,

(26:23):
know that that day was spentregular, rigorously doing what
you know you're supposed to bedoing, and and hard work itself,
so that when you do hit thepillow like you feel tired
because you put in a full day.
You know and like, just thinkthere's some people who kind of
lackadaisically go through theirlives in the day and you know,
once they they put their head onthe pillow, you know that's

(26:45):
kind of when their mind startsracing.
You know, but like, if you knowthat you put in that that work
during the day, you can then geta good, good rest, you know,
and be able to know that for thenext day you're going to, you
know, give it a thousand percent.
You know, and, gosh, I thinkthat's really important, an

(27:05):
important message for everybody.
And you know you're talkingabout your relationships and
things like that.
And, gosh, isn't it crazy how,like we're always like trying to
balance, like ourself, witheverything else that's around us
.
You know balance.
How do you feel like balance isan important part in your life?

(27:30):
That's a good one, and that'sdefinitely how long has it taken
you to figure out?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
oh, I'm still figuring it out like that was a
test did I pass by the get pastum, and I might still be for the
rest of my life, but I feellike I'm definitely in a better
place with it.
Um, again on that, like wantingto know the hard work, like
what does it take?
You know, these some of thethings I've had to learn over
the years and more recent yearsprobably definitely, definitely

(27:56):
in in this relationshipunderstanding, balance things
things that I know help me staybalanced.
I need time to myself.
I love people and I lovespending time with people and I
need time with people but, I,also need time with myself.
I need quality time with myfriends.
I need quality time with myfriends, I need laughter, I need

(28:18):
quality time with my husbandand I need to nourish myself
physically and spiritually andemotionally.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
What is that nourishment?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, a little side route Nourishment, so physical
nourishment.
I have a fast metabolism and Ifeel like I have to eat all the
freaking time, so that's likeone and that can be hard, like
my body is happiest when I havelike five real meals a day,
really.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yes, five meals yes.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's a lot of work You're just out here eating I
should be.
And so physical nourishment,emotional nourishment, that
definitely comes throughfriendships and connections and
conversations like these.
For sure Got a great therapistShout out, amy Shout out Amy.
And spiritual nourishment woulddefinitely be.

(29:06):
You know, finding spiritualcommunity, which I've only
recently found, but findingspiritual community that you
really connect with and resonatewith so that you can grow
spiritually and you can deepen.
And if you don't find acommunity and you don't need a
community that's totally cool,but like committing at least to
a practice and time to deepenyour relationship with God in

(29:26):
whatever way that makes sense toyou.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Committing man, that's such a wild word, you
know just like.
What does commitment mean toyou?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
oh gosh what is commitment?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'm hitting you with that.
I know that big talk I love it.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Um, what does commitment mean?
To me, commitment means theconstant choice.
Right, it's usually never justa one-time choice, you know, but
it's a constant, maybe evendaily, maybe even hourly.
Um, commitment or choice, it'sa conscious choice to do

(30:08):
something.
You know, um or be something ohor be something yeah right man
commitment.
Let's see here what does thatmean to you?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Gosh.
Commitment, I think, meansbeing present with yourself to
the fullest of your ability.
You know, and in order to thinkabout like a tree, you know,
like the thing, like that treehas a commitment, in that one

(30:46):
spot it's rooted, it's wellrooted.
You know, and I think, beforeyou can even commit to anything
else around you, you have tocommit to yourself.
You know, and think about Ilove talking about this because

(31:06):
think about a tree, okay, andyou have, you know, the stalk or
the trunk itself, and then youhave, you know, the offshoots,
the very top of the tree that's,you know, that waves the most.
You know that's the flimsiest Anew growth.

(31:32):
Right, that's where all the newgrowth occurs.
And then you have your littleyou, you have your little
tributaries there, and theleaves themselves, the color of
the leaves and the shape of theleaves, all create that
character.

(31:52):
That character, you know, anduh gosh, think about how, like
every year, every once a year, atree dies, you know, and it has
to think of all the things thatit has to shed, you know, and

(32:15):
think of the fact that thethings that shed then, like,
become the earth too, you know,but think about like trees are
naked in the most frigid weathertoo, like that's the time.
Yeah, totally exposed, Totallyexposed yeah totally exposed,
totally exposed, and think ofthe wind, think of wind, how

(32:37):
detrimental wind can be to atree, especially a new tree, or
the new growth on the tree.
Right, yeah, it makes youreally think about all these
outside forces that are swayingyou, you know, but think, I

(32:59):
think the most important part ofthis this, uh, teaching here is
the hardest working part of thetree the roots you can't even
see them you can't even see them?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
You can't even see them.
That is a really good analogy.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
You know, like the hardest hard back to hard work,
the hardest working part of thetree, dude the ego gone, you
know, and and think about allthe the ways that that those
roots have to.
You know, one's got to go overhere so that that way this

(33:41):
corner doesn't go too far, youknow.
And then the ones you know, yougot these ones building off of
this one and, yeah, you know thefact that, like parting the
hardest working part of the treeis not even seen, you know.
So I think that can be ananalogy to our lives yeah you

(34:07):
know, all those, those thingsthat we build inside in those,
sometimes those trials andtribulations that we carry and
trauma, sure that we carry inour body, not just like mentally
but like physically too, thatare absolutely kind of connected
to you in places.

(34:28):
You know, I'm sure you maybetalk about that with your
therapist, possibly about traumaand how it actually is, is
stored stored in the body or cantotally cause physical illness,
absolutely and and think ofthis too.
Like, along with the roots, ourroots are like, like our heart.

(34:49):
I think your heart is with youyour whole life, but you can't
even say it.
Nope, all these trust that it.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
You just trust that it's there.
You trust that it's there.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
You know the anatomy, yeah Right, but you never
really get to see it, you know.
And then, like all of thethings that are inside your body
, you know you really have to bein touch with and in tune with,
you know, and there's going tobe those gusts of wind that are

(35:20):
going to push you in certaindirections and maybe they're
even going to help you, you know, get to that place faster or
stronger in a way you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
And I think that is such a perfect example of like
why that balance is importantand how to obtain the balance.
I think, when I first startedreally looking into what does it
mean for me to have balance inmy life, it starts with
listening to your body.
Listening to your body, whichis not something we're taught
how to do in school.

(35:54):
That's a great point, you know.
Like just to-.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
That should be a class.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
It should be how do our bodies work and how can we
use them in an efficient andhealthy manner, but also how to
listen to them.
You know, I find that so anexample.
I told you I have to eat a lot.
I didn't discover that until Istarted listening to my body and
Right and recognizing like I'mstruggling with symptoms of low

(36:19):
blood sugar.
A lot Right Like feeling shakyfeeling, which can show low
blood sugar, can show up asanxiety.
Right Like why do I feelanxious all the time?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Oh, because you need to eat.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
You know, but if nobody's taught you to listen to
your body and you don't evenknow what that sensation means,
you just know that it's here.
You don't know how to read it.
You go to your doctor.
They're like oh, you haveanxiety, here's a pill, when
really you just need to eat more.
Yeah, I mean, that's sayingthat's everybody's situation by
any means, but, like for mepersonally, listening to your
body, you know and andunderstanding and appreciating

(36:50):
the connection between your mind, your, your heart, your spirit
and your body, and how your bodyis often the first thing to
tell you something's out ofbalance, emotionally or
spiritually or just physically.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Right, and you went back to like the trifecta there
you know and gosh it.
Yeah right, like listening towhat is your body telling you
right now.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
My body's telling me I'm excited.
Ah.
I love that I have like alittle bit of a flutter, but
it's an excitement.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Man gosh, I want to just talk about there was a
point I wanted to make with,like the fragility of life
itself and wind.
We were talking about that.
Think about a butterfly.
You were just talking about kindof like butterflies in your
stomach, you know, think aboutlike a butterfly like one strong

(37:45):
gust of wind could kill abutterfly, you know and think
about, yeah, how fragile thatidea is and that thought, you
know, and then comparing it tothe tree the day.
So I'm dealing with heaters andair conditioners, I'm dealing

(38:05):
with machines, and one thingthat has really helped me keep

(38:30):
track of my body itself isunderstanding these machines
that are around me and like, howdo these machines work and how
do they work most efficiently?
And that's something that wefocus on in the trade is, you
know, there's two things youreally want to focus on first,
safety, obviously, and then thesecond thing is efficiency, and

(38:56):
it has everything to do withwhat's coming in, what's going
into that machine in order tomake it as productive as
possible, and with combustion,the most important things having
to to do with, like, lighterfluid.
All ties in.
Yeah, uh, two, two, mostactually three things, do you

(39:20):
know?
I'm gonna put you on the spot,okay that's my age back
knowledge with the, with thetrifecta here.
Do you know what the threethings that it takes to create
combustion?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
no, no yes you need it.
Do you need a spark?
A spark A.
You need pressure.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Close Pressure's created by what's going into it.
What's the things?
What are the things?
Air, air, okay.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Number two Okay, Air, a spark and a fuel.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Bang Look at you Look at me.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Look at you Right off the bat, see it's, it's.
It's actually a lot more simpletoo than like we.
We kind of overthink thingssometimes, you know.
And the fuel itself, I think tokind of touch on, you know, a
lighter fluid.
You know the fuel itself is soimportant to what is created on

(40:20):
the back end.
I love that, you know, and gosh.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
What's your input that's going to affect the
output?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
What's the substance of the input?
Man, it's beautiful right,Because there's so many
different fuels out here, oh mygosh, you know, and the world's
telling us what fuels we need tobe using.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Right, and maybe sometimes they're telling us
fuels that we should be usingthat maybe actually aren't
Actually healthy for us.
Healthy for us?
Maybe they're healthy for oneperson.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Sure sure, sure, Not a one-size-fits-all situation.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Exactly, you know.
So it's really important tothink about the things that
you're that are feeding yoursoul, you know, and your, your
body itself, and and back to tolistening to your body.
You know, gosh, it's, it's.
It's going to be a light,actually disclaimer.
It's going to be a lifelongprocess to figure that out.

(41:16):
Yeah, it's going to be alifelong process to figure that
out.
Yeah, like listening is goingto be a lifelong process of you
know what's good for me, what'sright for me.
You know, what's bad for me.
You know there's thoseexperiences that you realize and
, like you know, you stumble.

(41:36):
I think it's really importantthat you take a step back and
think, take a mental note and belike, okay, you know what, that
wasn't the best thing for me,you know.
I think maybe a lot of peopledon't reflect enough on those,
the things that that make youfall.

(41:57):
You know, you kind of just getup in in, like the world today.
You know, with such afast-paced lifestyle, you know
we're told to, you know, brushyour knees off and keep going,
but and there's nothing wrongwith that, do that.
But then make sure you, youmake a point to kind of reflect
on what it was that kind oftripped you up in the first

(42:21):
place, because we're going to,you know, we're like talking
about the tree and like everyyear that it dies.
Right, let's go back to that,because I think that's a really
important point.
You know, think about the waysthat we have to shed are the

(42:42):
flowers or the leaves, you knowand also like knowing that it's
okay to let go of those things.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I don't think the tree dies, but parts of the tree
die.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Right, so the tree itself is still alive.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
But it goes dormant or is hibernating, and it does
let parts of itself die.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Right, lets those leaves die and I think too, with
with that like there, there'sthat time where it like it needs
hibernation.
There's that time where, likeit know it needs in order to
then be able to.
So I think it's important thatwe all take some time to

(43:26):
yourself and think about theyear.
And what are the good thingsfor you?
What are the bad things for you?
What are the things that madeyou happy?
What are the things that madeyou happy?
What are the things that madeyou grow?
What are the things that pushedyou forward?

(43:47):
What are the things that pulledyou back?
You know it's really important.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Here's another great way to have balance.
So what you're kind of speakingabout, what it's making me
think about, is seasonallyliving here in Baltimore.
We get all the seasons, whichis awesome.
Sometimes some of those seasonslast a little longer than some
of us want to, but we get allthose seasons which is a
blessing.
And so when you're talking aboutthinking about a year and what

(44:15):
went well, what didn't go well,like that just made me think of
New Year's right, which iswinter, which is the middle of
winter, people are assessingtheir year and assessing the
year behind and the one ahead,and not everybody even does that
.
But it's like people take thatonce a year opportunity to like
have that reflection right.
That can help you create morebalance in your life.
But something that has helpedme have more balance is that

(44:37):
kind of seasonal living likewinter, thinking about the
seasons as opportunities to liveoptimally.
Right in winter, the mostefficient or optimal way you can
be living is in a state ofhibernation.
In whatever way you can affordto do that good, but be

(44:57):
intentional and try to make timeto reflect.
The winter is the time forhibernation.
It's a time for reflecting.
It's the time for plantingseeds inside.
It's the time for getting intouch with your intuition.
And then spring is where westart planning and we start like
clearing out right Springcleaning People are clearing

(45:20):
stuff out you know, and thensummer is the hype.
Summer is the time for energylots of energy.
You know that's when we're atour music festivals, that's when
we're the days are longer andwe're staying up all night, and
then fall is when you starttaking things down a notch.
You know you start, you knowthat it's going to be a slower

(45:41):
season coming up, and so youprepare for that.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, for sure, and let's see here, you know, I want
to pivot a little bit to amemory that we spoke about on
the phone, about Leroy'sconcerts, because this was the
you really, it really stuck outto me.
Tell me a little bit aboutLeroy's concerts and what they
meant to you and like, okay,where that, you know where that

(46:07):
uh, energy took you, you know,in the future.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, so that definitely ties in music and
spirituality for sure so, um,those were the youth retreats
that I had in high school.
They were like.
These particular ones weretwice a year at this ymca camp
out on the eastern shore one inthe spring, one the fall and
there was a guy who come in, whowe would always have a musician
, and almost always we had Leroycome.
We were always like prettydisappointed when Leroy couldn't

(46:30):
come, but we love Leroy.
Shout to Leroy yes he was thisRoss Safarian dude and his music
was, like often pretty likeexperimental.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
But he would get all the kids up and dancing and
singing and screaming, like hewould.
He wanted us to have like amoment of catharsis, you know,
and and celebration.
So we would like he would getus up and he would tell us to
scream as loud as we could.
So we had like a hundredteenagers just screaming.
I mean, how cathartic is that?

(47:00):
How often do we scream?
oh, intentionally right thatwe're like take a moment, I just
need to let out this energy.
So you had a hundred teenagersjust screaming oh my god.
And then?
And he walks us through.
It's always.
He always take us on thisjourney.
And then the music and hislyrics were always like some
spiritual journey.
And um some of his my favoritesongs, um, there's one called

(47:23):
sweet divine groove and it'sabout god and it's like I'm lost
in your love.
Um, I'm lost in the flow, but,baby, that's how I grow um it,
yeah, just about god's sweet,divine groove that is life.
And he's got another beautifulsong about what it's like to be

(47:44):
held by God and tells a story ofa little girl being held by her
dad and taking her through herlife, of her being a mother and
then being an old lady and beingheld by God.
That song that makes me cry,yeah.
It was just so amazing.
Crazy enough my brother wholives in Texas.

(48:04):
I don't know if I told you thispart of the story.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
It's kind of like actually not even important.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
But my brother lives in Leroy's house.
Leroy passed away from cancerand this was a few years ago.
My brother lives in Texas andhe lives in his house and he
didn't even know it when he wentto go look at the house, Dude
Leroy's he's.
Oh my gosh, no question.
My brother was greeted by threealbino peacocks when he first
went to the house to see it.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
That's that I would.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That would be like a sign for me oh yeah somebody's
talking I am telling my brotherlike chris, you gotta get back
into your spirituality.
Like you, don't take thismoment for granted.
Don't take his home for granted.
Like it's.
It's a can be an amazing spacefor you if you seize that
opportunity.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Right Well shout out to Leroy Gosh, you know thank
you for for for people like thatwho are able to share their
energy with the world.
You know and and kind of youknow, speaking about musicians,
musicians there, there was amusician that you mentioned uh
to me, uh, that, uh, I thinkthere's a few points we want to

(49:08):
tie in with this yeah, you knowum what's the name of that
musician and what's the name ofthe song?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
okay, um gosh, there's so many things we need
to talk about.
Um, one of the things that wasimportant and we wanted to
discuss was like so part of theinspiration to start Lighter
Fluid Designs was thisculmination of two projects that
happened right when I wasgraduating.
One was my wedding dress that Imade and it turned out amazing.
And then the other was thisjacket that I made for my

(49:35):
favorite musical artist namedJessie Reyes, and her music has
been so transformational for meand cathartic for me, especially
her earlier stuff earlier stuffand I designed this jacket for
her.
I got to give it to her at asold-out concert oh, you did I
was so high after that, like Iwas like this is the best night
of my life, yes, and um she.

(49:57):
So I got to give her thatjacket.
So those are two projects thatmade me like I was graduating
with a psychology degree,thought I was going to go to
medical school, like this iswhat makes me happy is making
stuff, making beautiful things.
And so Jessie Reyez anotherthing we wanted to talk about
was so a lot of her earliermusic is.

(50:18):
It's very emotional.
It definitely gives voice tothe harder, darker, sometimes
toxic side of relationships,yeah, um, or relationships that
can be toxic.
Not that all relationships havetoxicity in them, but, um, she
gives voice to that.
So, and she really, even thoughI was already in this wonderful

(50:41):
relationship with the man I'mnow married to, I got to walk
back through some pain that Inever acknowledged, um, and of
some of those toxicrelationships that I even
experienced.
And so that song I was tellingyou about before, she has this
really challenging song calledgatekeeper and it walks back

(51:05):
through an experience she had asa young musician who got
invited to go to a party wherethere was a producer, um, and
she wanted to kind of like lethim know that.
You know she makes musicwithout trying to.
You know, push it, yeah, yeah,and you know the.
The moral of the story was thathe was like if this is what you

(51:27):
want, if this is the dream youwant to have, like you, there
are expectations of you sexuallyunhealthy, and she, that her,
and the song is her story aboutdealing with that um and how
that has been that's becoming somuch more coming to light right
of the abuses of power, um,especially in the music industry

(51:48):
, movie industry and justprobably most industries, but
that one's been highlighted somuch.
Um, yeah, and so that was.
She really helped me release alot of emotion that I needed to
release so that I could movethrough trauma.
I didn't even realize I had umand again.

(52:09):
That also goes back to like thathard work, like what is the
hard work that I need to put into to become who you made me to
be?
You know the best version ofmyself, the authentic version of
myself, that isn't beingfiltered through all of this
junk.
You know what boys and more mentold me, who I needed to be.
You know like who am I outsideof the pressures of the world?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Oh, I like that.
That's a that's a great thought, right?
Who are we outside of all thosepressures?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, she has another song it's beautiful, called no
One in the Room.
I think it's called, and thesong is who Am I when no One's
in the Room?
Oh, wow, I love that conceptyou will love her.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You got to listen to her, I promise you later tonight
I am going to be doing a deepdive into that 100%.
Let's do a little segment here.
I have somebody on the phonehere.
Is that your phone?
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing,bing, bing, bing, bing, bing,
bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

(53:12):
Yeah, so who is this calling meat this hour?
Oh, this is the OG Pinky.
Okay, this is Young Pinky.
Oh.
Yeah, yeah.
So you know what, ironically,I'm here with someone who
actually, I think might want toeither give you some advice,

(53:33):
some inspiration, kind of tellyou maybe some things to do, not
to do.
You know what?
I'm not going to build this,I'm going to let her yeah, here,
she is here, she is here she is.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
This is young pinky, little pinky.
What up, girl?
Little pink, little pinkster.
Oh, what's up girl?
Um, dang, what would I love foryou to know and understand?
Well, you have a lot of giftsand talents, um, that you can do

(54:05):
a lot of good in the world with, and um.
But follow your heart, followyour dreams and um, you'll be so
stoked to know that you'regoing to be starting a clothing
and lifestyle brand somedaybelieve it or not, I know crazy
and you're also going to findthe most incredible man.
He's going to be the man of yourdreams.
He's not going to be what youwere expecting, but he's going

(54:27):
to be absolutely perfect for you, and so just hold on and try
not to do too many things thatyou're going to regret.
I know you don't have many ofthose, but, yeah, you're awesome
, you are special, and what Idefinitely want you to know is
that I know you feel excludedsometimes because you crave

(54:52):
depth in your relationships andyou don't feel like you always
get that from all of yourfriends, but that's not because
something's wrong with you thatthey don't want to go deep with
you.
Not everybody's capable ofgoing deep and not everybody
wants to go deep, but it'ssomething that's beautiful about
you, and so don't, don't dimyour light and head for the deep

(55:14):
end, and whoever's meant to bein that deep end with you will
be in that deep end with you.
You can leave all little kidsin the shallow kiddie pool.
Love you, girl love you pink.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
You end up being sweet af.
Okay, you know what?
And speaking of the, youmentioned that you were going to
meet uh, the man of your dreams.
Yeah, um, I have a little uhmessage from from someone here.
So, uh, what?
Yeah, I'm gonna let you uh, I'mgonna let you hear it on the

(55:50):
highlight on the highlight.
Yeah, yeah, here we go.
This is your man.
Okay, let's turn this bad boyup.
Let's turn this bad boy up.
Okay, okay, you ready.
I'm ready.
It's here.
It's here, okay.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Hi, sweetheart, it's Bobby.
I just want to tell you howproud of you I am.
I'm so excited for you to beable to share your talent and
unique creations with the world.
It's been an amazing journeywatching you grow and develop
your business and to see theauthentic spiritual connection
you make with your customers.
Through your brand and yourunique designs, you inspire me

(56:31):
every day to be the best versionof myself and a husband worthy
of your love.
I'm your biggest fan and beyondblessed to walk with you and
stand by your side through thisjourney of life.
I love you, catherine, with allmy heart.
You always have and always willlight my fire.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Oh thank you for that .
I love him so much.
I love you.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Love you too, man dude.
That just, I don't know if yousaw this, but tear just fell
from my freaking eye, dude.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
You're going to have that too someday.
Oh, you're right, You're goingto have that too.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
You're right, it's here.
She's out there somewhere.
She's out there, oh man.
Okay, all right, we're comingto an end here, but let's uh,
let's switch emotions a littlebit.
Okay, all right, let's switchit up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I'm going to have some rapid fire questions here.
All right, all right.
Okay and uh, these are tryingto answer these as as quick as
possible.
Okay, off the dome, all rightOff the dome, all right as
possible.
Okay, off the dome, all rightoff the dome.
All right, 30 seconds on theclock.
Okay, describe what you thinkyour life will look like when
you're 85 um laughing with mygirlfriends by the pool.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Oh, there you go, girl, golden girl style there
you go.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
If you had the power to make someone not famous
anymore, who would?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
it be Shoot, not famous anymore.
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Oh, and you got somebody that's out there, that
you're like, somebody that Idon't really like.
Maybe not the best influence,or I don't know.
Sorry, pass Okay pass If youcould have any superpower, oh
gosh, oh man.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
now, no, okay, pass, if you could have any superpower
.
Oh gosh, oh man uh beunaffected by the opinions of
others.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
There you go, guess what that's.
It's possible.
It is possible.
I'm on my way.
Do aliens exist?
Quite probably, and what dothey look like?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
oh, I bet they don't all look the same.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Okay, love that answer.
Would you rather burp glitteror fart fireworks?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Burp glitter.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah, that's pinky, straight, pinky style.
All right, what's the firstthing you notice when you meet a
new person?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
The first thing I know probably what they're
wearing.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, of course.
That's just the design in.
Do you like judgment?
Not at all, not at all.
Do you like the music yourparents listened to?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
uh, yeah, yeah, well, I didn't love all of it growing
up, but what would be a eitherlike a song or a band that uh.
This is so obscure.
My dad loved a musician calledJerry Jeff Walker.
It's like country and I didn'tlike it when.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I was a kid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
But now it just makes me think of my dad.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Oh, nice, love it what other language.
Do you wish you could speakfluently?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Maybe Spanish.
I feel like that would reallyhelp you in a lot of places okay
, name a book you've read morethan once.
Oh, I'm not a big reader.
I like to listen to books, butsomething more than once pass
probably pass.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
All right, what oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
actually the the Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz
Ruiz.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
definitely read that more than once Such a good one,
all right.
What qualities do you admiremost in your friends?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Their honesty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Best policy?
Yeah, what's the best giftyou've ever received?
Best gift you've ever receivedmy husband.
Oh, shout to bobby, all right,what would you happen?
What would happen to the worldif the internet went away?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
oh I think we'd spend a lot more time outside yeah,
love that so important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Has a movie ever made you cry?
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Which one have you cried themost?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I cry at a lot of movies, maybe most movies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Jurassic Park.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I don't know, Maybe not that one.
Pixar movies always cry.
The first movie my mom evertook me to in a movie theater
was Black Beauty about a horse.
She had to take me out of themovie theater because I was just
hysterical I think they werelike abusing the horse or
something.
I mean, what kid wouldn't cryabout?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
that right right, all right.
What's the best thing aboutbeing your age?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
about being 34.
Who's the best thing aboutbeing 34?
Um, hanging out at a podcast ona sunday afternoon, yeah right
wearing your own brand yeah,wearing my own brand, dude.
I did the tattoo conventionlast weekend and I just finished
setting up my booth and themusic.

(01:01:34):
The song that came on was myfavorite band in seventh grade.
Good charlotte turned me into alittle punk rocker.
Yeah, and it came on theloudspeaker and I was like 13
year old me, 12 year old mewould be so freaking proud of me
, right oh, my gosh dude likehere I am selling all the stuff
that I've made at a tattooconvention like that is the

(01:01:56):
pinnacle of coolness for 12 yearold oh, I'm sure you killed the
event itself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Let let's wrap up a little bit here.
What are some of the thingsthat people can look forward to
in the future of Lighter Fluid,and for you as an individual,
what do you see in the nearfuture with the brand and
yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, well, for lighter fluid.
I am really building my wholebrand around these limited
edition track suits.
Yeah, so this is edition numberone, and edition number two is
in the works.
So, that'll be coming out in amonth or two, and yeah, can you
find that on your website?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yes, Lighterfluiddesignscom.
Okay, and lighter fluid L I G HT E R F O U I D Fluid
L-I-G-H-T-E-R-F-O-U-I-D Yep,Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
That's me and so, yeah, it's a kind of spiritually
based streetwear brand.
So you can expect a lot ofunique things, a lot of eclectic
things.
You can expect influences fromall over the world.
Something I've always beenpassionate about is other
cultures, and I've always wantedto travel the world.

(01:03:01):
I considered anthropology as acareer or as a degree and
because I love learning aboutother cultures, so I love to
incorporate textiles andelements in my jewelry from all
over the world and I loveeducating my customers on like
where they come from, who mademade them, how they were made,
what's the story, the historyand all that kind of stuff.

(01:03:22):
So eclectic stuff, worldlystuff, spiritual stuff that's
what you can expect out oflighter fluid.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Nice, nice.
Well, this was an amazingexperience.
I want to thank you for beinghere with us today.
Thanks for having me.
Is there any last-minuteinspiration that you want to
give the world?
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I just want to encourage people to get to know
themselves from a non-judgmentalplace, a non-critical place.
Just try to get to knowthemselves from a nonjudgmental
place, a noncritical place.
Just try to get to knowyourself and try to become a
version of yourself that you'reproud of, that you like, and
it's okay to get help to do that.

(01:04:14):
It's okay to get help fromfriends, from therapy, from
professionals, from God, youknow, and I definitely encourage
people to contemplate God inwhatever way that makes sense
for you.
You know you don't have to dowhat other people do.
You don't have to do what yourparents do.
You can do it on your own.
You don't even have to tellanybody about it.

(01:04:34):
But, like, that's just such afoundational part of life for me
and it's brought so much valueinto my life because for me it's
an undeniable truth.
And, yeah, I just want I wanteverybody to be happy, I want
everybody to be the bestversions of themselves.
You know, to try to make thisworld a better place.
It all starts at home, you know, it all starts inside.

(01:04:56):
So I don't know, I guess that'swhat I got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Love that.
That was perfect.
Well, that concludes ourepisode of Respecting
Perspectives Pinky Edition, andI want to thank everybody for
tuning in and until we see youguys next time, peace out, Peace
out you.