Musical Roots and Cosmic Connections with Matthew Grube

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Meet Matthew Grube, a talented storyteller from Baltimore, whose artistic journey is as eclectic as his musical upbringing. In our latest episode, Matthew takes us on a vivid journey through his life, where the nurturing support of his family and the dynamic influence of skateboarding shaped his creative spirit. We unbox a special delivery from Ruckus Rugs (Ruckus_Rugs) and discuss Matthew’s dreams of expanding his horizons beyond the U.S., broadening his storytelling canvas with diverse global inspirations.

From the thrill of selling out Baltimore’s historic Senator Theater with his skate films to the intricate dance between style and self-expression, Matthew reveals how skateboarding transcends sport to become a vibrant art form. With a backdrop of personal anecdotes, he shares how influential friendships and a house filled with music carved his path. His insights into the world of astrology connect past experiences with cosmic patterns, offering a unique perspective on personal growth and creativity.

Join us as we explore the lively atmosphere of the Watermelon Room Podcast/Performance Studio, managed by Garrett Long, where innovation and collaboration ignite through live shows and spontaneous musical events like Rhythm Royale. We chat about the intriguing role of AI in music and the timeless quest for self-awareness through astrological exploration. From near-drowning experiences that prompted life-changing realizations to the joy of community through music, this episode is a rich tapestry of human experience and creative passion.

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Episode Transcript

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Matthew (00:37):
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(01:01):
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Matthew (01:07):
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Matthew (01:28):
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Andrew (01:32):
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(02:03):
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Matthew (02:04):
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Andrew (02:07):
Yeah, talk to the people .

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(02:40):
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Matthew (03:07):
It's like 3D the carpet , it's got grooves in it and
stuff.
It's not just flat.

Andrew (03:15):
Yeah, for sure, you being the groove master, you see
the grooves I can't help butnotice, dude, you're groovy.
This man is groovy, dude.
Tell us Thank you for beinghere first off, dude, thanks for
having me, and this man hasbeen an integral part of this
whole process and I want you tojust tell people a little about

(03:38):
yourself first off, and, youknow, let the audience know
where you're from and just givethem a little bit of meat and
potatoes, you know.

Matthew (03:48):
Okay, sure, yeah, my name's Matthew Groobie, from
Baltimore, maryland, and bornand raised, been here for a long
time, traveled all around thecountry.
I've never been out of thecountry yet, but I can't wait to
experience that perspective andthose perspectives one day.
You know, but yeah, baltimore,born and raised perspectives one
day.
You know.
But yeah, baltimore, born andraised and just, I don't know

(04:08):
man, I do videography.
Obviously, here for you, thisis our podcast we work on
together, you know.
So, yeah, but I do many things.
You know jack of all trades, asthey say, master of none.

Andrew (04:21):
Yes, yes, I'm feeling that.
I'm feeling that energy.
It's just like beaming.
It's beaming off you yeah it'sjust really like gosh dude.
Give me a little bit some ofyour inspirations, give me some
some things that have fueled youthroughout your artistic career

(04:42):
and life itself sure, yeah,well, uh, first of all, like uh,
I have incredible parents.

Matthew (04:48):
I have to give it up for them.
They were my first inspirationsand my, my little sister, uh,
the family you know uh was wasincredible and very grateful for
that upbringing that I had.
Obviously that you know, um,you know families have their own
dynamics and there's alwaysthings that go on and so, um,
but I'm just very grateful forthe kindness and, um, you know
families have their own dynamicsand there's always things that
go on and so, but I'm just verygrateful for the kindness and,

(05:09):
you know, generosity and kind ofthings that they've had with me
and it's really just thekindness, you know, that I felt
with them and so I learned a lotfrom them, basically everything
from them.
They would always have musicplaying in the house.
My mom, you know, she teachesjazzercise, aerobics to music
and stuff.
She's fit, she's a Taurus likeme, so she has her garden in the

(05:32):
back.
She's incredible.
I learned music and dancingfrom her.
But my dad loved music too.
He's a professional tennisplayer, so sports were always
big.
Every Sunday they're cooking upbreakfast and there's all
different kinds of music playingand it was just a really good
vibe in the house and I learnedto appreciate the arts in that

(05:53):
way.
My mom had paintings everywhereand we would eventually watch
films.
My dad would even let me watchsome scary films.
I know you mentioned you didn'tlike scary films.
I watched the Shining when Iwas super young.
I had you mentioned you didn'tlike scary films.
I watched, like the Shiningwhen I was, you know, super
young.
I had the blanket over my eyeslike, oh my God you know I can
see it now.
Yeah, but I had, but, like youknow, seeing, you know Jack

(06:13):
Nicholson and and you know justall these incredible actresses,
actors that I loved.
Film, I loved stories.
So not just scary, but justeverything.
I was a kid, I watchedeverything.

Andrew (06:25):
Is scary, your favorite though.

Matthew (06:27):
No, I wouldn't say that .
What would you?

Andrew (06:28):
say, your favorite genre is.

Matthew (06:30):
Probably like psychological thrillers.
I don't know, there's somethingabout them, that there's an
aspect to them all, but theymake you think and stuff, and I
always appreciate that too, andit keeps you on your toes.
You never appreciate that too,and it keep you on your toes.

Andrew (06:44):
You never figure out what's going on quite yet for
sure it's interesting.
Has you on the edge of youryour edge of your seat exactly.

Matthew (06:49):
It's hard when people are always asking like who is
that?
What's going on in the movie?
You know those are the worstfor that for that, but right,
but yeah, they're fun, you knowfor sure.

Andrew (06:57):
What about some bands or musicians that inspired you as
a drummer?

Matthew (07:06):
Wow, yeah, um, I guess I grew up listening to like
Motown with my dad and like theRolling Stones and the Beatles
and like, you know, three DogNight and like rock and roll,
like that and and Temptationsand all different kinds of stuff
, like with Gloria Estefan andlike the just the different, you
know, tango beats and and justall kinds of different stuff.

(07:26):
You know, I didn't realize Iliked jazz, you know.
But I liked jazz, you know, Iknew something about it.
So I listened to more modernjazz now than anything but John
Coltrane and things like thatyou know grew up listening to
and so yeah, I see where yourgrooviness comes from.

Andrew (07:43):
Dude, it's like it.
It extends down deep.

Matthew (07:46):
Yeah, and there's rock influence though too.
Like I love to rock, I loverock and roll.
You know, like Bonham was oneof my favorite drummers, but I
love the Beatles and the Ringo.
You know he's a classic kind ofguy, you know.
Classic, yeah, you know, I justlove it all man.
I, yeah, you know, I just Ilove it all man.
I just couldn't get enough ofmusic in general and so I listen
to everything and I'll tryanything twice, you know so.

Andrew (08:09):
For sure, let me ask you how long did you know that you
wanted to be a drummer, or didyou start with a different
instrument and then segue intothat?

Matthew (08:19):
So I was always just singing songs and rapping and
writing poetry and stuff growingup.
And then my dad and I decidedto take guitar lessons when I
was like 12.
But there was a drum set in thehouse.
My dad played drums when he wasa kid but it wasn't fully put
together.
There was no pedal or therewasn't something.
There was always somethingmissing.
You couldn't really play thewhole kit, Gotcha.

Andrew (08:42):
Gotcha, you didn't improvise right.

Matthew (08:46):
Well, I never really then touched it.
I was like I don't know reallywhat to do, but like it was
there and I just always had.
But I was always tapping on theseeds and just, you know,
beating on everything, whatever.
So, um, but guitar was thefirst one that I like learned as
an instrument besides the voice.
I think the voice, but you knowthe drums, people forget that
one.
It is like you know it's, it'sthe sound waves and the beating
on the drums, just tapping onstuff.

(09:06):
So drums, everybody's a drummer.
They just haven't played on thekit yet, you know.

Andrew (09:09):
I love that, dude.
That is such a great way to putthat.
Let's see here, is thereanything?
Let's dig a little bit into thevideography side of things, the
videography side of things, andyou know your role in the

(09:30):
podcast itself and you know whatother places you see yourself
going, uh, in the videographyworld sector yeah, I mean I only
I got into videography reallybecause of skateboarding.
I remember that when you youwere with fuck you mean, you
fuck.

Matthew (09:48):
You mean was the iteration that it kind of turned
into.
That was Dante Benjamin'scompany.

Andrew (09:53):
Yep.

Matthew (09:54):
He's out in LA right now.
He's skating, he's doing histhing, him and his daughter
Grace.
They're doing great, excellent,shout out.
So yeah, I met Dante.
He was, um, shout out.
So, yeah, um, I met dante.
He was really who got me intowanting to film, because he was
like 14, I was like 17.
I just moved into the county.
Finally, I grew up in the city,okay, in baltimore city, and so

(10:14):
I would skate around and stuffand it'd be super fun, but it
wasn't like the safest places toskate.
It was always kind of tough.
You know what I mean just goingdowntown, um.
But so, moving to the county,I'd skate around.
I met dante and he was so goodI was like I want to like, and
that's when I started seeing askate video.
I saw a skate film.
I've been watching films mywhole life.
I love film, I love the story,I love you know everything, just

(10:37):
love stories you know ingeneral.
So you know um the when I saw astoryline in a skate video and I
probably like it was everythingcame together I was like I
gotta do this.
Uh, I did ask my folks for likea camera.
They got me this cheap littlecamera.
It was everything it started myfolks again getting me going
like, giving me the spark to trythe things.
They always let me try thething and see if it worked out.

(10:59):
So super grateful for that andI started filming him.
I started filming, I made avideo by the end of high school.
I showed it to my high schoolfriends and they're like dude,
you got to do something aboutthis.

Andrew (11:09):
Yeah, right.

Matthew (11:10):
So I was like oh okay, so I went to a tech school,
sheffield Institute, for theRecording.

Andrew (11:15):
Arts Sheffield.

Matthew (11:17):
I went there for their year program.
I started doing differentvideos there, learning about
that different videos therelearning about that?
Yeah, I started.
You know that's where we shotmy first music video for All
Time Low.
It was their first music video.
They're a rock band fromBaltimore, so they've gone on to
be huge and that was really afun time.
I went to high school with Zachand we used to skate and that's

(11:37):
kind of how it started.
My dad worked with Ryan's dadthe drummer and they were like,
hey, hey, the kids need to makea video, you know we were all
kids.
You know, we were all justyoung kids, so we made that
music video and look at them.
You know four million views onyoutube and stuff the guys have
blown up and um, that was justsuper fun.
I learned a lot from there andyou know, after that I worked
for hbo on the wire, um for thefifth season, and so I learned a

(11:58):
lot there shout out the wirebaltimore city it was incredible
.
I worked under Alex Appelfeldand so I still keep in touch
with a lot of those guys fromthat time and they taught me so
much.
I mean, I learned a lot.
I was a young kid but I waskind of arrogant.
I was like I want to move onand make my own projects.
I don't want to work for theman anymore.
This was cool.

(12:19):
I saw the system, I saw how bigit can get, but I saw like, oh,
I would have gotten the shotlike this or I would have gotten
the shot like that.

Andrew (12:26):
Right.
Right, you're that outside viewtoo kind of looking in like how
can I do things a little bitdifferently, right?

Matthew (12:32):
Yeah, I always kind of would see that and wonder, even
with the drums and music, wouldI have played the same thing
there to that guitar riff?
Or I wonder if he could havedone that or they could have
done that there to that guitarriff.
Or I wonder if he could havedone that or they could have
done that there.
You know so, but that's just me, like you know, seeing my, my
own perspective in that way, butalso always taking into account
how it's all done, all thesedifferent perspectives that it

(12:53):
takes to create something ofthat magnitude, and that was
really neat to see.
Uh and inspired me to keep goingon and making more skate films
and putting them out and sellingthe senator theater out a few
times and I remember, I remembersome of those.

Andrew (13:07):
the senator is a huge, uh, historical theater in
baltimore and to kind of havethese guys all up on stage and
you know just just some, someskateboarders who who had a, a
vision and and and lived it out,is it's really, it's special,
it was surreal.

Matthew (13:26):
It was a surreal experience you know what I mean
Like 800 people coming out tosee a video about skateboarding,
and it happened multiple times.
We did it over the years, youknow a few times, and so that
was a really special crew ofpeople and it taught me a lot,
just falling over and over againand getting back up.

Andrew (13:42):
You know the kind of lessons that skateboarding
taught me dig into that a littlebit like you know the, the gosh
, the perseverance that you haveto have, you know to be like a
it's tough to fall, it's toughman, it hurts, right, it hurts
you're going for a trick, you'rejumping down steps, but like
when you see your buddies dosomething, it gets you stoked,

(14:03):
like you know.

Matthew (14:03):
Or when you do something, it gets you stoked,
like you know.
Or when you land something,finally, it just feels like
you've accomplished this thing.
It's like that, you know, andit's artistic in a way, Wait a
second.
That's a great way to the tricksare you know, because
skateboarding was always like asport, because it was athletic
in a way, but it never felt likea sport because it wasn't
really a competition.
Even though there arecompetitions now, it's all like

(14:28):
judgment competitions and it'sall a perspective, right?
And so whoever the judges areand their perspective are,
they're going to give this manypoints for this trick, right,
but there's no rules for that,like basketball or whatever
behind this line you get thismany points and you know it's
not like that you're notcompeting with each other.

Andrew (14:41):
You're kind of you're hyping.

Matthew (14:42):
You're competing with yourself, if anything, but you
realize that there is no suchthing as competition because
that's a that's a awesomethought you know, you're just
doing, you're just experiencing,you're just living life and and
so people might be trying tocompete with you, but if you
really just realize that there'sno such thing as competition,
you're really just experiencingand doing your best and trying

(15:04):
to create and make things happen, and there's just going to be
obstacles along your way, likethere always is.
So, um, and that's what you cancall competition, if you want,
but with skateboarding therewould be obstacles and you would
try to like hit them and usethem and, you know, like have
some fun with it, and beartistic with, bring them into
the experience it was super neat.
I mean, then that was what drewme in and there was like a story

(15:26):
behind it and everybody's stylethat they had when they did
their trick a little differentit was a little different and it
was like oh, I like the waythat guy kickflips.
It's the same trick as akickflip over here, but they
just make it look so good, youknow yeah, and so there was
something about that.
You had certain guys you wantedto, guys you wanted to watch or
people you wanted to watch.

Andrew (15:45):
Yeah.

Matthew (15:47):
And I was just always trying to find my style.
I think that's always been thething is growing into my style.

Andrew (15:53):
I feel like that's something that you are forever
going to be doing right isdeveloping your own style and

(16:19):
taking in what other people aredoing with their style else, and
not, like you know, taking it,but honoring it, almost, you
know, respecting it.
Respecting it, man, dude,that's, uh, that's some deep

(16:40):
stuff, dude.
Hey dig, I want you to tell usa little bit about the
Watermelon Room, where we're athere, and maybe what's going on
here and what you see like thefuture of these podcasts and
possibly other podcasts.
Sure, tell me a little bitabout that and the background

(17:03):
into what's going on here.

Matthew (17:05):
Sure, yeah, this is a really cool space.
Garrett Long runs theWatermelon Room.
It's a recording studio hereand we rent the space and it's
just a beautiful stageperformance room space and with
his recording space upstairs, Ihave my control room in the back
and while Chase is doing thevideo switching for me while I,

(17:27):
I'm out here, right, normally.

Andrew (17:28):
I'm doing.
Shout out to Chase.
Thank you, chase.
Great job today, so that'scrushing it everyone and Jay,
our helper.

Matthew (17:35):
So we've done you know it's been amazing, like it's
usually just you and me settingit up, doing the shoot, and so
the team is growing, obviously,obviously, and that's a
beautiful thing, so, but it's agreat place and and we do live
music shows here, uh, recordingalbums here, um, live albums.
We also have my podcast I juststarted, which is a live music

(17:57):
podcast, um, and so it's openfor business.
We're now, you know it's, wefinally got the cameras in and
we're fully streaming andeverything.
So it's great.
We're excited for futureendeavors.

Andrew (18:09):
Let me ask you this If people want to do a podcast
themselves or they want to usethe studio here, how can they?

Matthew (18:21):
Yeah, they can contact me.
I'm online.
Tell them what is it Okay.
So Instagram, I guess, isgroovy, underscore groovy, okay,
um, yeah, we do, how can they?

Andrew (18:24):
yeah, they can contact me, I'm on on one on, I'm online
.
You can tell them what is itokay?

Matthew (18:26):
so instagram, I guess, is groovy, underscore, groovy,
okay, spell it, spell it.
I don't know how to spell it,man, I don't know if you you
know what I mean.
The watermelon watermelon roomyou can find the watermelon room
.
I'm in groovy groovy streamstudios as well.
That one, I think it's spelledstraightforward g-r-o-O-V-Y
Stream Studios Gotcha yeah, youcan find us.

(18:47):
We're in Baltimore.
So, yeah, we're doing all kindsof stuff.
I want to get into the videogame podcasting.
We have the space for that aswell.
So if you play video games andyou've always wanted to stream,
we can do it here.

Andrew (18:57):
Nice, nice.
So, hey, I think we'll end withjust a final thought on.
I let you hear a track a littlebit earlier today and I know
that you have risked a lot tofollow your passion and to put

(19:21):
yourself in a position ofknowledge and just really being
adaptable to situations, and thesong was called All or Nothing,
because you know, when it comesdown to stuff like this and the

(19:42):
thought and energy that goesbehind it, you know it really is
all or nothing.
Can.
Can you give me a little bit?
Uh, just how the track made youfeel.

Matthew (19:51):
Oh, I love the track.
I love the track.
It's definitely probably myfavorite song of yours out there
right now.
Um, the vibe is great.
Uh, the message is great andyour message is great and your
flow is amazing.
I mean, it's just a great songand it definitely made me think
about the decision, the momentto go in all or nothing.

(20:12):
I mean, at that point it wasteetering on the decisions.
You can only know so much whenyou're pondering something.
You know, I think.
I do think that that is it'sgood to do.
It's good to take time to, youknow, ruminate on some things
sometimes, but at some pointit's too much.

Andrew (20:30):
Yeah.

Matthew (20:31):
And you got to just go for it and it's either all or
nothing.
I mean it's.
You can't half-ass this stuff,you can't half-ass anything.
And you, you know, how are yougonna know otherwise, right, how
are you gonna know?
You're gonna be wondering couldit have been if I did a little
more, if I tried a little harder, if I did the thing, said the

(20:51):
thing took the step, and so I'm,I'm living by my gut now in
that way, you know and andtrying, and there's going to be
a lot of mistakes made along theway, but I feel like that's, I
made like 50 today, exactly youknow.

Andrew (21:01):
Yeah, it's what it goes.

Matthew (21:02):
You accept me for who I am.
I've had a hard time with thatmyself and just uh, not with you
like accepting your mistakes,but my own hard times you know
my moon is in in the sixth houseand libra, so there's a lot.
No, y'all wouldn't understandwait a second.

Andrew (21:18):
What was that?
What were you just speakingthere?

Matthew (21:21):
Yeah, sorry, no, I was speaking another language.
Yeah, astrology language, mybad.
So tell me a little bit moreabout the world of astrology and
what's happening in the skyright now.
Well, yeah, so that's.

(21:44):
You know, there's a lot goingon, um for me to get into, like,
exactly what's happening rightnow and it's always developing,
basically these planets aremoving right, like, just like
life.
Everything's always moving.
So, um, even in the astrologychart that we read, it's alive,
it's not.
It is a picture of where theplanets were the moment you were
born.
Typically that's the natalchart that we read, but then

(22:04):
there's the progressed chart.
You know where the planets arenow, how that plays over top of
these patterns that you wereborn into.
Evolutionary astrology is thekind of astrology that I study.
So you know, in evolutionaryastrology it's a little
different from Vedic or fromsidereal or all the different.
There's a few different ways oflooking at the chart.

Andrew (22:27):
I have a question for you.
Yeah, please, if I, as abeginner, want to start to learn
about astrology, where's a goodplace to start?

Matthew (22:42):
there's so much information, like the internet
right now is like an overflow ofinformation, right.
So again, it's just you know,be aware of that, just know that
it's there's.
You know, like you were sayingthis is true for me earlier like
that there's a part of that,that there's a duality in life.

(23:03):
We learn about that through the.
Gemini and Sagittarius axis,about how much information there
is, the duality of how twothings can be right and wrong at
the same time, your perspective, my perspective.
We have the same perspective ofsomething and we think one's
right, one's wrong.
But why is it right or wrong?

(23:27):
And it's what?
And that's part of thesagittarius of us learning and
growing and all these differentenergetic patterns.
So I would say to learn aboutthe signs, the 12 signs, the
archetypes, you know,understanding these patterns
that are in the world, in theuniverse.
You know, because although I'ma Taurus, my sun sign is in
Taurus.
I have planets all over theplace and I'm not a Taurus Like

(23:50):
I am.
You know, we see Tauruseverywhere.
We see the.

Andrew (23:54):
What's your actual sign?

Matthew (23:56):
My sun sign is in Taurus.

Andrew (23:57):
Okay, gotcha.

Matthew (23:59):
But there's so much more.
There's so many more aspectswhere Pluto is really the soul's
evolutionary journey.

Andrew (24:06):
Wow.

Matthew (24:08):
And so, through evolutionary astrology and
everything else, plays off thatyour Mars, your Venus, all these
things Mars, how you actionthings, venus is what you love,
what you find resourceful.

Andrew (24:20):
Things like that.

Matthew (24:21):
So all these energetic patterns, you see, you know an
insect, find resource and findpreservation right and find how
to hide that's taurus.
Right.
When you see that, you're like,oh, that reminds me of this
pattern, and so we're all partof these energetic patterns.
But where the planets are mightbring something out more in you

(24:42):
.
Here or there, you might noticethis more, you might be more
prone to this because of wherethese patterns are, and so
that's kind of goes into whereyou make your decision making.
Why do you make theseinstinctive actions?
Where is it stemming from?
Is it stemming from this desire?
And so you know it's all aboutself-discovery in that way,
right and so, and understandingself.

(25:02):
So that's what's helped meunderstand.
I've always, uh, been lookingat the cosmos, but I've been
very much always just looking,looking up, right what was the
when?

Andrew (25:11):
when can you remember the first time that you were
like really amazed with the sky?
Do you remember like the firsttime that, like you really kind
of like looked up and understoodlike the power of, of what's up
there?

Matthew (25:26):
yeah, I remember as a child just driving in the car.
Uh, my folks would be havingconversation on long rides home
and my first memories are likefalling asleep, looking up out
the window, looking up at thestars as we were driving by, and
like the lights from thehighway going by and wanting to
have those lights not on becauseI wanted to see more, you know,

(25:49):
of the stars.
It was so grand.
There was something about thatthat caught my eye.
I didn't know how deep itactually went until the past few
years.
Know how deep it actually wentuntil the past few years.
I've always kind of seenastrology, seen horoscopes and
things and I was like, oh,that's kind of I feel that like
you know, but I was like oh, buteverybody feels like that's so

(26:10):
broad right, it's true, rightbecause, again, I was like
there's only 12 archetypes,there's these energetic patterns
, but it's these combinations ofeverything in these, in these
aspects that these planets make,that make it very personal for
you.
And when you read the chart inthat way, it's a lot different
than just going.
I'm a Taurus.
My sun's in Taurus no, it's.
Where is the moon in relationto the sun?

(26:30):
Where was Pluto?
In relation to all these things, there's aspects that are being
made and it's either givingtension or it's giving release,
or there's ease and it's flow.
There's different ways thatthey can.
They see each other.
There's blind spots, like Ican't even see the sun's in the
way you know, I've alwaysthought that my mercury must be

(26:50):
in retrograde, because wheneveryone talks about mercury
being retrograde, I felt normal.
I was like everything else islike yeah, my pace now like wait
a second.
Everybody else is freaking outand I'm like this feels good to
me, and so when I startedreading the chart, it was like,
oh, your mercury.
If your mercury is inretrograde in your chart, then
you might feel it this way oh,that makes sense well, mercury
wasn't in retrograde.
So I didn't understand that.
The more I started studyingastrology, I see, oh, the sun

(27:12):
and mercury were conjunct.
The sun was blocking it out,basically making it retrograde.
So there's different, there'sthese little patterns.
As you study it and you learnmore, you'll find this
self-awareness in it and I gookay, you know, the thing with
self-awareness is funny, though,because the more we become
aware of ourselves, the morelike guilty we can feel when

(27:34):
we're not living at that highervibration.
Right, but that's the beauty ofit.
It's kind of keeping us now.
Oh, now we know how we like.
Oh, how can we evolve?
Now, we're evolving, like you.
Now you're holding yourself upto this.
I, you know, I understand.
I see when I'm slipping, I seewhat I'm not doing as well.
I don't want to be there.
I understand where my faultsmight be.

(27:55):
It's easy there's a virgo traitit's easy to blame yourself or
see the imperfections inyourself, or see the
imperfections in the world andhone in on that.
But there's a use for that,right, it's a cleansing thing,
it's a how do I get better?
How can we be helpful?
Right, leo, everyone knows oranyone that's a Leo will know

(28:15):
that they're very like.
I'm a Leo, like, see me rightright like check out what I am
mitch, you know mitch is a leoright right.

Andrew (28:23):
So, and I'm sure, you're gonna be talking to him someday
, right, and so what the leo?

Matthew (28:27):
as you go around the chart, the leo is at the top of
the pyramid.
Basically, it's looking down.
It's like yo, everybody checkme out, I can see this thing and
the very and and before that,all these other archetypes are
really learning about yourselfwhich why, when it gets to Leo,
you're like, oh, look at allthese traits I've learned and
now I know all these things.
But then when you get to thenext sign, virgo, it's like the
transition sign that says nowyou're flipping the pyramid

(28:49):
upside down, you're seeing thewhole universe and you're going
well, how, whoa like, andthey're telling you what your
faults are.
Now it's like you're so great,but, yes, everybody's great and
here's where the faults are,here's how we get better, and so
there's this cleanse.
So all these, they matter.
They all matter.
These archetypes are part ofour lives and there's so much we
can learn from all of them.
You know, and so you just thinkyou're a sun sign, whatever.

(29:11):
There's so much more.
We are all of these, and soit's all encompassing.
It's very.
It's a huge perspective and Ilearned that there's.
I will always be learning moreevery day and you know everyone,
every astrologer that I'vespoken with has brought more
perspective to the archetypes, adeeper understanding as I go.

Andrew (29:30):
So I can never say I know all these things like
there's always something more tolearn, but it's important to
talk about it.

Matthew (29:36):
It's important to talk with each other about these
ideas, because this is how westart sparking ideas with each
other here.

Andrew (29:43):
Yeah, how long has this study itself been relevant?
You know, like, how long hasastrology been forever?
It's just been.

Matthew (29:54):
It's just.
It's as long as the theuniverse has been around,
because it is the universe.
The astrology is just.
The astrology is just peoplethat were figuring out how to
measure something.
It's like how we figured outtime right.
Time is like a certain way hereon earth, right, but we know
that it stretches when you getoutside of earth.

(30:16):
And what is what is?

Andrew (30:18):
it anyway.

Matthew (30:18):
Relativity there's exactly quantum fit.
There's all these things thatare going into it together, so I
love.

Andrew (30:25):
I love in the movie uh, what interstellar?
When they go to a different,you know planet and time moves
differently.

Matthew (30:33):
You know, and that's, that's the theory as well, but
they've kind of tested thattheory in time and it's, you
know, as they say, they've goneout.
Now that's if you believe we'veactually gone to the moon or
gone to these places.
I'm sure you know there's hard,it's hard for people to.
I see, in this day and age it'shard to believe things.
There's so much information likewe're talking about it I don't,

(30:55):
even I can't say yes or no,okay, um, but I think, because
of my perspective of seeing howuh media can be manipulated, uh,
I create it myself, right, wecreate media here, right and so
I've edited films.
I like stories, I like thesefilms, but they're typically
just edited in a way right, andso when there's a raw story

(31:20):
happening, that's what's youknow.
You have to take in all theseperspectives.
So I understand that.
Um, there may be a lot oftruths to what has happened in
history yeah and there itdepends on who wrote it and how
we got that information.
Yeah, so I'm still trying togather all that information.
For me me, it's almost notrelevant whether or not we did

(31:42):
or not.
For my life it has nothing todo with what I'm doing, and how
I'm living my life.

Andrew (31:49):
Maybe you could be the first.

Matthew (31:51):
Who knows?

Andrew (31:51):
You never.

Matthew (31:52):
I've been to space.
My body was here, by the way.

Andrew (31:56):
It makes me think about the Saturn that's in the logo
there.

Matthew (32:03):
Tell me more about just like Saturn itself, and Okay in
the astrology, yeah, Okay,specifically, yeah, sure, saturn
, wow, okay.
So my understanding of Saturnis that it has to do with time
itself.
We were just talking about time.
It is the crystallization ofour reality, it is the hardening

(32:29):
, it is the actual meat andpotato I wouldn't even
necessarily say the glue, but itis the structure, it is the, it
is, uh, the bone.
If there's the, if cancer, thearchetype is the marrow, um, the
uh, capricorn and the saturn.
Saturn and capricorn arerelated sat it's, it's wait.

Andrew (32:49):
Why'd you go like that?

Matthew (32:50):
when they're related, they're um, so they're, they're,
they're, they're polaropposites.
Okay, but they're like twosides of the same coin and that
happens six times around thewheel, so you'll have a polar
opposite sign so aries and libraright, taurus and uh.
Scorpio, gemini and sagittarius, cancer and capricorn we were

(33:10):
just talking about, uh, leo andaquarius, virgo and pisces.
All right, those are thosecombinations, right.
This is that wheel that keeps,and they and they relate to each
other, so what's that wheelcalled?
uh, the chart.
It's the natal chart right, orthe astral, the astrological
wheel.
You know the um gotcha yeahcool, um, but yeah, so saturn is

(33:31):
like where we'll see, uh, youknow, time form things and and
are in the structure, so it'llsometimes, uh, sometimes relate
to the parental figure in yourlife that created the structure
for you, that told you the rules.
They put boundaries rightHardened.
They put boundaries aroundthings.

Andrew (33:49):
Maybe they open boundaries too.

Matthew (33:51):
There could be no boundaries, right when there's
aspects where maybe Saturn andNeptune are conjunct there,
could you know, neptune is aplanet that is like very hazy,
it's all gas.
And so that can put a haze onthings.
And so when you're talkingabout boundaries and then a haze
, it can be no boundaries Rightand so and that, and then
depending on what sign.

Andrew (34:14):
And so that's why there's specific things in the
James Webb Space Telescope andthings like that.
I'm sure the more if we getmore information, can we learn
more about these signs, or do wehave all the information that

(34:37):
we need in order to come up withthe theses and the ideas behind
these things?

Matthew (34:43):
it's a pretty good question.
I don't know the um, thetelescope nessus, okay, well, if
it did, if the telescope wereto tell us something, what would
it tell us?
It would find newconstellations, maybe, which
would then alter the charts yeah, right, that's where.
That's where my head I'vethought of that as well it's.

(35:03):
I'm curious to that becausethere has been thoughts of a
13th sign, and 13 is a numberthat makes sense to me.
I don't know why.
There's 12 months in a year.
When you think about it,there's 13 moon cycles.

Andrew (35:21):
Okay.

Matthew (35:23):
So why wouldn't the cycle of time go along with the
planets when it's cycling inthis way?
When you think about when youdivide time 28 days per month,
13 months?

Andrew (35:37):
Is there anywhere else in the world there's a roughly
365, 366.

Matthew (35:42):
And why did that come about?
The Gregorian calendar?
Why did King Gregory decidethis new calendar was going to
be the thing and that we alladopted it?
Um, we all took our ways fromkings, but if you remember, back
then, kings took a lot ofadvice from astrologers oh,
that's a great point.
And they kicked them out whenthey didn't like what they had

(36:02):
to say oh right, right, so it's.
It's been going back forthousands of years, these, you
know, they've found.

Andrew (36:11):
And how did we keep those records and whatnot it's
been developed over time.

Matthew (36:16):
It started with hieroglyphics and there's been
carvings that they found.
I'm blanking on the name now I'mblanking on the name now, um,
but there's tons of ancientruins from all over the world at
different, different names, umthat they found the same kind of

(36:36):
markings from 10 000 years agoor a little earlier, because of
roughly 10 5 was when the iceage was.
So okay, um, and but so talkingabout six more, more like six
to seven thousand years ago,before they all talked about a
flood in the same carvings andthe tall people that came to

(36:57):
help them rebuild, right, and weconsider that the Anunnaki and
which, or maybe aliens, we don'tknow what that is.

Andrew (37:04):
Right.

Matthew (37:04):
So there's a lot of theories that go into that and a
lot of people speak about that.
I don't know as much about that, but'm knowledge knowledgeable
that that's being spoken aboutand it kind of when you start
relating everything it raisesmore questions.

Andrew (37:16):
Let's talk a little bit about.
You were speaking about theakashic records, yeah, the other
day, and I have started to do alittle research and kind of
understand what they are andbeing able to act.

Matthew (37:36):
Maybe you can teach me a little more too, you know what
?
Because it's incredible stuff,right, I'm sure we could teach
each other some things we couldZoom call Anna, who gave me the
Akashic Records reading whichblew my mind.

Andrew (37:50):
Shout to Anna yeah, yeah , nice, nice.
And what did you take from that?
If you don't mind me asking,Well, I mean.

Matthew (37:59):
So, first of all, my understanding of the Akashic
Records is only so deep but fromwhat I know, she was accessing
my spirit guides, ancestors,spirit masters, anyone that's
kind of watching over me fromother dimensions in that realm,
that spirit realm.
Whether you believe in that ornot, I definitely have had

(38:22):
experiences, personalexperiences with with them that
have scared the living you know,what out of me and stuff, but
also been very enlightening andalso has made me go was that
even real?

Andrew (38:33):
yeah right.

Matthew (38:34):
So, like, I'll be honest with you, like and I
haven't shared that with withtoo many people, but I'll be
honest- well, thank you for foropening up there.
Yeah, really, man uh we weretalking about that the other day
the rate, the reading itself,yeah, the reading and uh, yeah,
tell me a little bit.

Andrew (38:50):
I mean, what is it?
Was that the first time you'veever done something?
I had never even heard of it.

Matthew (38:57):
This is a woman that I study astrology with and from.
They don't speak much, but whenthey do, it's pretty profound.
I've found, and um poignant,yeah, and um, they don't know
much about me at all, um, butlike we've have, uh, we're in
this group together that we talkevery so often and she doesn't

(39:19):
know anything about my personallife in that way, um, quite yet,
but I'm getting to know her now, especially after this reading.
It's blown my mind so yeah,basically she went into this
reading.
She has a process of doing that.
It's a very spiritual thing.
She accessed these records andwas speaking things to me that
were very personal.

(39:40):
Speaking of the watermelon room.
Here was the story that I'lltell everybody, because I've
been telling everybody the story.
I am definitely, definitelydehydrated, I don't drink enough
water.
I'm going to say it right nowand I'm going to pull out the
water.
Let's drink some water together.

Andrew (39:54):
Cheers yeah, Drink more water, kids.

Matthew (39:57):
This is important especially because I'm speaking
a lot.
I'm feeling the parcheness.
So she didn't know that aboutme and there's reasons actually
why I am.
I almost drowned when I wasfive in the ocean.
The undertow took me out.
No one could see me.
I remember almost like it wasthe end Very vivid, Very vivid.
I was five years old.
I had come to terms with mydeath.

(40:19):
I was like this is it.
I was tired, I was trying tofight it.
I had one hand out.
I was in Bethany.
Beach right like.
No one surfs in bethany beach,delaware, because the waves
break on the beach, but for somereason that day there was a
surfer out there and this guysaved my life he pulled me.

Andrew (40:35):
I remember just pulling me out, yeah do you know, do you
remember his name?

Matthew (40:38):
no, no, I passed out at me.

Andrew (40:39):
I like I don't thank you I just remember that last
moment I thought it was my last.

Matthew (40:44):
Yeah, shout out, dude.
I think I thank him spirituallybasically every day because I
can't I go every day and I'mgrateful for every next day
because I thought it was gone atfive.
I was like I came to terms withit.
I was like this is it like Ihad a good run?
I was really lucky for the lifeI had, the family I had.
They were easy on me for somereason.
I like knew, you know, growingthe city.

(41:04):
I like saw a lot ofperspectives.
I saw not a lot of people, thathad like five at five.
I knew it dude.
I was super grateful and afterthat you know and it's you know,
it is a.
It is a great perspective tohave.
Sometimes, uh, I didn't likehave true self-autonomy because
of that.
I've had to learn that in thatway, because I've been just so
like grateful for everything andjust taking it all in kind of

(41:27):
thing like you know, but notactually going and experiencing
things and trying new thingssometimes you need that guide.

Andrew (41:33):
You know that that's something to follow and and you
know reach for.
I guess you could say it's true, you?

Matthew (41:38):
know.
Well, she didn't know that.
You know she didn't knowanything about me like that, but
she's like are you dehydrated?
She like got parched right away.
It was great.
She had a somatic experience,right.
So, um, it was very somaticwhat does somatic mean?
In your body, very feeling youcan experience your body yeah,
like in in your body a physical,a physical thing okay, you know
.
And so she started feeling theseways and so she's like are you

(42:00):
dehydrated?
And one time I had to go to thehospital I had like a breakout
and things and they had to giveme an iv.
And I always pass out when Iget needles.
I I cannot handle a needleright.
Pass out immediately.
Yeah, I passed out immediately.
I woke up three hours later andthey were like, bro, like we
gave you more IV than we'vegiven anyone.

Andrew (42:19):
Like you need to drink water, you used the stash, the
IV stash dog.
They had to hit the, they hadto get the small key out.

Matthew (42:27):
I didn't know Like I knew out.
I didn't know like I knew Iknew but.
I didn't know, but I like hadcaught myself holding my breath
in the shower and like randomthings like I'm just what, I
don't don't drink a lot of water, so like I, she mentions this,
and the night before, were youwhen that happened?
The the hospital visit I wasprobably my 20s okay yeah, yeah,

(42:48):
so it's been.
It's been my whole life.
I just never drank much water sothe self-awareness of that is
uh that's come through, likestudying myself because of the
astrology in the past year and ahalf, I've come to realize
these things and that's why Iwas able to bring that up to
more puzzle pieces?

Andrew (43:05):
yeah, exactly, um, it's helping.
You got the outside.

Matthew (43:08):
You got the outside you know the universe will smack
you to evolve if you don't workon it yourself.
You know it's it's gonna do itanyway it's it's shaking it.
So as long as I'm just payingattention to these things, yeah,
I can evolve with it.
But, like the, the thing thatblew my mind was that we were
here recording at the watermelonroom, my band, um, you know the
drummer in uncle conong's onegrand band ah shouts out to the

(43:30):
boys I'm also in diamond canopyoh, shout out to the boys.
And tennessee lamb is a is a um,it's a little feet cover band,
but anyway.
So yeah, I'm just playing allthe time.
But one grand band was playinghere at the watermelon room.
We were doing a live uhrecording session yeah, that was
.

Andrew (43:45):
you came right.
You were there a few nights, Iwas there a few nights.
We were just jamming out.
It was a live recording Righton this stage.

Matthew (43:52):
I was on right here.
I had you know, actually wedidn't have this camera up here
yet.
We only had a couple of camerasand that might come out.
We're not sure, it's just theaudio, but anyway, we were
recording here in the lot and Irealized you know what I need to
on friday night.
We did a three-night run onfriday night.
Someone was like dude, where'sthe watermelon?
At the watermelon room and Iwas like dude.

Andrew (44:13):
Yeah, what was I thinking?

Matthew (44:14):
of course, come on so I go saturday I buy this
watermelon.
I see it on the side of theroad.
It is cute you.
You saw it was.
It was a 60 pound.
What it was so hard to get inmy car.

Andrew (44:24):
It had like a dude.

Matthew (44:25):
It had like it came with its own like briefcase and
all dude it was like you had tohave, like a duffel bag, like or
something like multiple peopleto carry that thing for sure so
we bring it in.
But I didn't have a knife orplates or nothing like I was so
unprepared.
I just had this huge watermelonso it just sat there.
So someone brought it on thefront of the stage and put it

(44:47):
the front of the stage when weplayed offering.

Andrew (44:48):
It's an offering for the watermelon guys.
We ended up ripping thatrecording.
I mean, Saturday night was thenight Y'all were smashing.

Matthew (44:54):
I'm not going to lie, that was a fun night, right.
So the vibes were there, thewatermelon was vibrating right,
taking it in, but we never ateit and I'm still dehydrated,
right, I'm, you know, um, Ihadn't had this record, I hadn't
had this reading yet.
So then, the very next day,after that saturday night, we
had one more night to recordhere on that sunday night we
were doing three night runs, sosunday I had the reading at noon

(45:15):
and so she has this readingearly you got that reading early
.

Andrew (45:19):
That way the whole day you're like you know what I'm
about to.

Matthew (45:21):
I'm about to live this you know, I had a feeling
something was going to be out,because I knew that she was
brilliant and just had this.

Andrew (45:27):
I think you know what too?
Maybe the fact that you'reallowing yourself to open up to
these things?

Matthew (45:35):
Sure, I've always kind of been open to it.
Anyway, I'm actually learninghow to put boundaries.
Talking about Saturn.
Put boundaries on these spiritsand these things, Like not
right now spirits, I've got tolive here.
Yeah, I've got to be back hereon earth and like get something
done physically, eat some food,drink some water, so that.

Andrew (45:54):
I can keep thinking Bare necessities.

Matthew (45:55):
You know, like if I don't take care of myself, I
can't think about this coolastrology stuff where I can't,
you know, do all this stuff.
So, like, take care of my body,take care of myself, and this
is what this reading was tellingme to do.
She's like are you dehydratedall this stuff?
She goes, you know, and I eatsalads.
I love salads, I lovevegetables.

Andrew (46:12):
It's like my favorite thing to eat, right.

Matthew (46:14):
Okay, and that gives me some water in that way.
Right, good point.
But that's not all.
I got to have more, I got totake care of myself.
So she goes, she says shedoesn't know this about me, she
does not know this about me, andshe's like the veggies are
great.
They say the veggie, she'sspeaking, they're speaking
through her yeah, are youdehydrated?
It's like a three-way call,basically right right and I

(46:35):
can't hear them, but she is justtranslating right the cosmos
and which I kind of already knewthey're trying to speak to me.
I just wasn't letting myselflisten and take it in you know
like so she's like, I'm like,it's like another, just another
sign.
Like, dude, here's more signs.
Like, understand this?
Here's the words that she said.
She goes you know, thevegetables are great.

(46:56):
You need to eat more fruits,more fruits.
They say eat the watermelonmatt dude, I'm telling you man I
lost it's connected.

Andrew (47:05):
It's like what?

Matthew (47:07):
so you know what we did we chopped that thing up.
Half of that thing was I meanhalf.

Andrew (47:12):
It was so big, I mean there must have been 30, 40
however many people that'll feeda small village we're talking
about, like you know, like tinytown.

Matthew (47:19):
I mean, the crazy thing was we ran out of water like
here, like the water in the, inthe sink and stuff that's not
that very good.
So we had to get some waterbottles for everybody.
But we ran out of water bottles.
So what did everybody have?
They had the watermelon andeverybody loved it Eat the
watermelon.
So it's like little signs, likethat from the universe that if
we just are open to it, it'sspeaking to us and it's helping

(47:41):
guide us.
It's just a part of it, and sothese stars can help understand
ourselves more and just get abigger perspective, because
there's 7 billion of them onthis world, right like there's 7
billion that make up the onebig perspective that's really
happening.
And we won't really know thatone big perspective until we
talk to seven and that's youknow.

Andrew (48:01):
So so the sky, so talk to the sky and talk to each
other.

Matthew (48:06):
Man we got each other you know, let's understand each
other in that way and understandourselves.

Andrew (48:09):
Man, you know what this is a good time to talk about.
When we were speaking earlierabout AI, and you know where do
you see AI taking like music andart in the future, like maybe
five to ten years from now, andthen let's even say like a

(48:32):
hundred years from now, and evennot with just music, but how
you see it, kind of shaping orto be used in the future.

Matthew (48:48):
Yeah, I mean it's because, um, it's already
started going in.
You know electronic ways, right?
We know ai is creatingsomething um, my, my guitar
player, in time, it can't besent me a video today.
Actually, speaking of this, umwhere, if you quantized john

(49:08):
bottom's drums, he spoke aboutjohn bomb.
I mentioned him earlier.
If you quantized John Bonham'sdrums, you spoke about John
Bonham, I mentioned him earlier.
If you quantized the drums.

Andrew (49:12):
What does quantized mean again?

Matthew (49:13):
Digitized, basically Taking what the drum, the sound
of the drums, and making thebeats with a digital version of
it on the computer Right.
So which is what the sounds.
A replication of the sound, ofthe sound, but an electronic
version that the computer hasprogrammed in that built in they
have these sounds yeah and soif you were to create a drum

(49:34):
beat with these sounds, asopposed to recording microphones
on a drum set with the drummer,what is the difference of the
sound?
And you can just feel thisswing difference.
You're talking about swing andgroove earlier.
There's something missing thatyou can't quite tell what it is
now, maybe not missing, let'snot say, let's not call it
missing, because here's what Iwant to make the correlation.

(49:56):
It's just different.
And we talk about ai, we'retalking about consciousness.
That's just different.
Now, who's programming thisconsciousness and what are they
learning to do?
And who's making the con like,what are we using it for?
Who's using it for what?
Because it can do anything youwant it to do, right.

(50:19):
And so that's what we're reallytalking about and talking about
morality of ai.
And where is it going?
Is it art?
Is it good, bad?
Depends on who you ask andwhere it was used for and who
made it do what.
It's only really learning fromwhat we've given it Right.

Andrew (50:41):
And so it's going to what do you think we're giving
it?

Matthew (50:47):
I'm not sure, I'm not there.
Do you think we're giving it?
I'm not sure, I'm not there.
Um, from what I've seen, it'slearning at such a pace that
it's outgrown what we can give.
It's going to learn on its own.
It's going to, and you know,everyone's seen the matrix right
there's.
There's always a counterbalancelike is that really what's
going to happen?
Is that it's going to flip theuniverse?

(51:09):
The world is alive too.
It's got its own consciousness.
Humans have consciousness.
Ai is going to be its ownconsciousness.
Plants have consciousness.
Animals have consciousness.
The earth is conscious.
The universe is conscious.

Andrew (51:24):
What makes us, I think, able to kind of have our
consciousness, is that you canhave that understanding that we
all do have our each own.
You know, I think you couldcall it consciousness being just
where your let's see here yourmind resides.

(51:44):
You know, what do you think?
What is consciousness to you?
What?

Matthew (51:49):
is consciousness.

Andrew (51:49):
You know being conscious .
You think what is consciousnessto you?
What is consciousness?
You know being conscious whatis god?

Matthew (51:54):
no, I'm just kidding, I don't know.
You know, like, yeah, who isstraight up, I mean, that's yeah
, like, if you're asking my, mypersonal perspective on
consciousness, yeah, yeah, Ithink, man, that's so much.
You know, consciousness, Ithink we may be, it's one thing.

(52:18):
I think it's one thing.
I think there is oneconsciousness and then there's
different levels of it, and sowe're all experiencing ourselves
with each other.
We are all fragments of thisconsciousness experiencing it
for itself.
It's what Pluto in theastrology chart kind of says my

(52:40):
desire to break away from theentirety of the ocean and be a
wave.
I got to form my own shit Rightright.

Andrew (52:47):
Because Neptune talks about consciousness and just
think that right now sorry sidenote please there's waves that
are just like happening crashing, going back into itself, having
its own thing, and then goingback into this, into source how
many waves are like crashingright?

Matthew (53:02):
now you know every, every river is leading back to
the ocean and it's going as it'sconstantly flowing does water
have a lot to do with, or waterthat's on earth, like the oceans
and the seas?

Andrew (53:15):
have anything to do with astrology?

Matthew (53:18):
well, sure, like um we can represent, like there's
water signs, right there's signsthat you can see what, like the
water, is this flow right,there's a flow to water that, um
, that land doesn't have yeahper se, right, um, the flow.
Air has that flow.
Right, fire has some flow.
But they're different kind offlows.

(53:38):
Right, there's some's hot andsome's cool.
Some are like engulfing, somewill burn you, you know.
Some will just be flighty,right, right, and you're going
to see that.

Andrew (53:49):
They affect you different?
Yeah, certain signs and weinteract with them.

Matthew (53:53):
Different Exactly and we just kind of labeled those
energetic patterns.
We go that looks like that'sLibra or that's Gemini or that's
Leo.
We've labeled that it's a wayand Gemini is a labeling
function.
So it's like that's what we'velabeled.
We've noticed this is thepattern and we're going to
identify it.

(54:13):
It kind of identifies with this.
We've seen this patternhappening Right.

Andrew (54:17):
So let me ask you this Is there any intertwinement
between consciousness and thesky itself?

Matthew (54:29):
Yeah, yeah, sure, because again, it's all
consciousness, it's all oneconsciousness.
So the sky, the planets,they're all conscious in their
own way, but it's there, it'sall part of the same
consciousness, which is theuniverse.
Slash multiverse, like yeah, wedon't know how grand it really

(54:49):
can keep going.
We haven't really proveninfinity yet, which is just a
grand idea like infinity is sowild to me.

Andrew (54:57):
I love that can that be proved?
Can infinity they're?

Matthew (54:59):
trying.
They've been trying foreverright yeah.
But it's like you can thinkthere's what, yeah, go, you know
, when you think about it.
It's like you can cut anynumber.
In theory, you can just cut anynumber in half, or you could
double any number.

Andrew (55:12):
It just keeps, just keep doubling just keep doubling, it
just keeps going.
Is aren't numbers crazy withthat?
That?
That thought, you know, thatthought experiment where.

Matthew (55:20):
But that's again a theory in numbers and numbers
are really a theory that wecreated, and so where do you see
that in reality?
Oh, and that's.
And so the the astrology, forme, is the bridge, the
combination of those theoriesand the patterns and the reality
.
And where do we find that?

Andrew (55:41):
It's a bridge in the sky .

Matthew (55:44):
Exactly.

Andrew (55:50):
You know what dude time and really just just you know
getting into some of this stuffand and getting to know you and
letting other people get to knowwhere, you know where your
head's at and really just kindof having a conversation, you
know thanks, man, it's been fun.

Matthew (56:06):
Yeah, no, I love talking about this stuff anyway,
so yeah we could do this allday.
Yeah, I mean I'm still learningagain like, oh man, I don't
know shit.
Like yeah, you know what I mean.
I'm still learning again Likeoh man, I don't know shit.
Like yeah, you know what I mean, I'm still learning stuff.

Andrew (56:16):
Let me, let me, uh, let me ask you one thing what does
respecting perspectives mean toyou?
I know you touched on it alittle bit earlier, but if you
could give me you know,perspective means to you
Absolutely.

Matthew (56:40):
Yeah, that phrase when you say that it's like it just
brings into scope how muchperspectives there are in the
world and again coming back intowhy I have the one, the
perspective that I have, and howmuch can that grow, how much
can that evolve, withunderstanding and respecting the

(57:05):
multitude of perspectives thatare truly out there, that
everything has, and it can beoverwhelming at times, right,
because there's a lot ofperspectives but there's a lot
of grounding techniques thatI've been learning and things
like that.
Yeah, you went over a few.

Andrew (57:19):
Thank you for helping us understand some of that stuff
For sure.
Yeah, I'm interested inlearning about it myself, and
hopefully we can find that 13th.

Matthew (57:34):
Yeah, you go Me too, let's study together it you go
Me too, let's study togetherIt'll be fun, Awesome, Perfect.

Andrew (57:41):
Let's see here man speaking about perspectives.
Let's show the people what typeof views we have here.

Matthew (57:53):
Show them the plethora of cameras that we have.
I'm sure they've seen thembeing switched around a bunch,
but yeah, we do have a bunch ofcameras.
We have the main Shadow toChase.
Switching it up.
We got the main camera with thebig shot.
You can see everything righthere in the front.
We have the wide shot of thetwo of us over here in the side.

Andrew (58:11):
See you up there, that's nice.

Matthew (58:13):
Then we come down the line.
We have one that's a littlecloser.

Andrew (58:16):
It's probably our closeup right here.

Matthew (58:18):
If we go back to the other side we have this wide
shot probably a bus too righthere right, that's a wide
receiver out there, that is.
And and then we got the closeupagain right here.

Andrew (58:30):
Oh, I hit him with a good sign.

Matthew (58:31):
And last but, not least , of course, the bird's eye view
that they've probably seen abunch is up top.
Hello, it's pretty, you know.

Andrew (58:38):
There's a nest up there.
That's what it is.
It's like a.

Matthew (58:41):
I thought I was going to find some nests when I was
climbing up there trying toinstall it before the podcast
shoot, because I was rushingaround to get that up just
before Monday night.

Andrew (58:49):
Oh wait, what I mean?
Come on, tell me Right.
Okay, give me a little.

Matthew (58:54):
You'll be there next time you weren't able to come
this time.
But yeah, we had.

Andrew (58:58):
I'm excited.

Matthew (58:58):
I touched on it a little bit earlier, but yeah,
rhythm Royale is what it'scalled.
Okay, we are spinning like aroulette wheel of different
musicians on these wheels, youknow, we have a bunch of
different.

Andrew (59:10):
That's where the royale and the roulette kind of yeah,
you know it's Casino Royale,it's the Rhythm Royale.

Matthew (59:17):
So yeah, we're creating bands on the spot, we're
spinning the wheels of theinstruments and we'll have a
bunch of different musiciansguitar players, a bunch of
different drummers, a bunch ofdifferent bass players.

Andrew (59:26):
How many people in total ?

Matthew (59:28):
This Monday we had like 30, I think, musicians, 30?
Maybe a little more.
Dude that musicians you know,30, maybe a little more, dude,
that's like that's some of thegreatest players from in the in
the dmv.
You know, delmarva area, youknow, like all around, um,
that's awesome that you couldget all those people together.
Man, it was crazy it was, Icouldn't believe it.

(59:49):
I mean I could.
I mean these, uh, these are,you know, really great people
that I've met over the yearshere You've been working hard in
the scenes and drumming.

Andrew (01:00:00):
Really, just, I'm always seeing you talking to people
and making connections and yeah,I can see just your bringing
all these people together.
Really, you, it brings joy toyou to kind of just have
everybody jamming out and that's, that's a beautiful thing.

Matthew (01:00:23):
It's true, I can't hide it.

Andrew (01:00:24):
Yeah, it's like the like , my favorite thing in the world
, you know just just being inthe middle of that and how often
do you plan on on this podcastoccurring?

Matthew (01:00:33):
I think we're going to start like once a month, but
I've had a lot of excitementabout it, so it may grow to
every week, I mean, who knows oronce a week.
I mean we'll see.

Andrew (01:00:44):
And it's here at the Watermelon Room.
It's right here at theWatermelon Room.

Matthew (01:00:46):
It's wild.
We spin the wheel with theprojector, everyone's watching
and we are going to open it upto to the audience.
But it's super fun, man.
I mean, we get different peoplefrom from different bands that
play different styles of musicto come together.
They have no idea what they'regoing to play, they have no idea
who they're going to play with,and they come on stage and we
and we we have a bunch of it'slike whose line is it anyway?

(01:01:07):
I don't know if everybodyremembers that oh dude, I used
to love that show it's likemusic right, Like we're going to
get the audience to throw usthese different scenarios and
the singers have to come up andmake up a song about that
scenario and the band has tocome up with.
Whatever the key and the genre,we're going to give that to
them on the spot.

Andrew (01:01:24):
Don't tell me on a freestyle session, that's what
I'm saying Right man, that'swhat I'm saying.

Matthew (01:01:29):
I love the have a rapper on monday dude well you
will, and you both, you sing andrap so it's like I can only
imagine what kind of song you'llmake.
Oh, I'm excited, but we give,we give each band.
Uh, I think we're gonna up itto seven minutes to jam okay,
they can find they gotta findthe song in seven minutes, and I
tell you, man, every jam was sogood.
I dude these.
These musicians are so good andthey were able to just make up

(01:01:51):
songs on the spot.

Andrew (01:01:51):
How many different people did you have on the stage
at like one time?
It was eight people on stageper song and tell me, like break
it down, what were some of the?

Matthew (01:01:59):
There was drums, percussion bass, two guitars,
saxophone or harmonica.

Andrew (01:02:08):
A sexy phone.
Somebody had the sexiest phoneever Keyboards and a singer.
Dude, that is like a full onband with and some it plus the
two guests.
I mean they're in everybody'sin it was super fun, just
everybody, energy was wild justjust everybody's like feeding
off each other, you know, andthen you're dishing some out.

(01:02:31):
You know it's super fun.

Matthew (01:02:32):
I got to talk to all the musicians afterwards and
kind of introduce everybody toeach other and let each other
know what bands they were in andhow long they've been playing
music for yeah, some of the guyswere not in any current bands
and it was like, oh, we got somefree agents, you know like pick
them up, I really would love tosome from new bands to be
created because of this oh, thatis such an awesome point, dude.

Andrew (01:02:51):
I I hold hard, wholeheartedly believe that
that's possible with somethinglike what you're doing, and you
know what I think it'll do.
It'll help musicians also kindof step out of their comfort
zone, sure, and you know what?

Matthew (01:03:11):
it's but you what?
It also felt really comfortable.
The vibe that I got was like itwas such a hang that like there
were such great players, andusually when you see those guys
out or these people out, it'slike they're at a show.
It's one of their shows.

Andrew (01:03:26):
Yeah.

Matthew (01:03:27):
And it's like this wasn't a show, this was just a
hang and a jam with some of thegreatest cats.

Andrew (01:03:32):
So you're just with your friends now.

Matthew (01:03:34):
Now you're just hanging out with your friends and you
didn't.
And like like people wanted toplay with a certain player, like
, oh, I've never gotten to playwith that cat, so it's like I
might get to play with them.
I really want to play with them.
And then it's like oh, I didn'tget to play with them.
I got to play with them, or, man, I didn't get to play with them
.
Oh, but maybe next week, if Icome back and they spin the
wheel, I might get to play.
And who knows, who I'll get toplay with this week, and so next
month we already have a bunchof different people that are

(01:03:56):
going to be, and so who knowswhat the bands are going to be.
It's really exciting.

Andrew (01:03:59):
Oh, dude, I'm, I'm super , I'm super taken back by, you
know, the energy that you've putinto this, and I see it for
sure, and I'm inspired by itLikewise, bro butt Likewise bro.
I'm sorry about you and justbecause of that I got a little
something.
You brought this in with themail here.

Matthew (01:04:18):
That's right.
Oh yeah, oh, that is fresh.

Andrew (01:04:24):
We got the respecting perspective.
Tee, is this your size?
It's an extra medium.
Yeah, there we go, baby boy.
Well, hey, listen, thank you somuch for joining me group.
It was really groovy too, youwere just a phenomenal person.
You're really one of the mostdown to earth smile on your face

(01:04:49):
, all the time just radiatingpositive energy, and I'm so glad
to have you, uh, by my sidethrough all this, and I'm
excited to see where this, this,can go likewise my way.

Matthew (01:05:07):
It only, it's only because, uh, you know, I'm
radiating back what's what'sshining on me, so you know what
I'm saying.

Andrew (01:05:13):
So we're like, like, we're just like magnets.

Matthew (01:05:15):
Exactly.
It's like the sun, the moon,the earth.
It's all the planets, baby, weare planets of our own Nice.

Andrew (01:05:22):
All right, hey.
So thank you for joining us forepisode four and what we're
planning for.
We got hundreds more coming, sowe'll catch y'all on the on the
flip side.
Thanks for joining us.
See you next time.