The Many Lives of Greyson Brown: From Firefighter to Musician

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What happens when you live many lives in a single lifetime? Greyson Brown—actor, musician, former firefighter, spiritual seeker, and world traveler—shares his remarkable journey of transformation and discovery in this thought-provoking conversation.

Born in Germany to military parents and raised around the DMV area, Greyson's path has taken unexpected turns through corporate America, emergency services, creative pursuits, and spiritual awakening. His stories of traveling across continents reveal a profound truth: despite our different cultures and backgrounds, we're all seeking the same fundamental things—connection, purpose, and understanding.

The conversation dives deep into the intersection of spirituality and personal growth. From his unique upbringing between his grandmother's Christian influence and his father's exploration of esoteric traditions, Greyson developed a perspective that transcends religious boundaries. His powerful insight that "you are the answers to your ancestors' prayers" challenges listeners to consider their place in a larger human story.

Music emerges as a recurring theme throughout the episode. Both the host, Andrew, and Greyson reflect on how creating art becomes not just self-expression but a lifeline for others navigating their own struggles. When discussing his purpose, Greyson speaks with clarity: "to create music that allows other people around the world to learn spiritually, and just to have an outlet from whatever they might be going through."

Whether you're questioning your life's direction, exploring spiritual practices, or simply seeking inspiration from someone who's walked many paths, this conversation offers wisdom that transcends the ordinary. As Greyson reminds us in his final thoughts: whatever challenges you're facing are temporary—like waves in water—making space for growth, joy, and new perspectives.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
thank you for joining us for the respecting
perspectives podcast, and I havemr grayson brown here.
Let me tell you something.
This guy is is an actor, he isa musician.
I mean, he's traveled the worldand he's got some really
awesome stories and someinspiration to give y'all.

(00:36):
And you know what?
I'm not even going to have tosay anything right now.
Man, why don't you tell themwho you are are, where you're
from and what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
here.
Hey, first of all I like saythank you for inviting me on
this of course, man proud tohave you.
Yes, sir, but yeah, like hesaid, my name is grayson brown.
Uh, most people just call me g,you can call me black cat, call
me bruja, and we'll get intoall that stuff later.
But yeah, man, I'm just happyto be here, brother.
Yes, dog.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, man, just a smile on your face, man, I
appreciate it.
Dude, tell me a little bitabout your background, give me a
little bit kind of where yougrew up and how you kind of
ended up in this spot, in thischair on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
All right, yeah, so I grew up.
Number one I was born inGermany.
My parents were in the military.
Born grew up.
Number one I was born ingermany.
My parents were in the military.
Uh, born in wiesbaden, germany.
Uh, after that came to dc area,grew up around the dmv, so all
over silver spring, green beltfamily in baltimore, yada, yada,
yada, um, after that, uh, youknow, growing up doing all that

(01:41):
stuff around here, I went toschool in philly drexel
university okay, shouts out,drexel.
Shout out to drexel, yeah, butum, so I played soccer for a
little bit and then after that,after drexel, man like uh came
back.
Uh traveled all the way aroundthe world.
You know, before that lived injamaica for a little bit as well
too, um, but yeah, now Isettled down around here and uh,

(02:02):
yeah, man just been travelingever since Nice.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Do you have any particular places that are your
favorite?
Why don't you highlight some ofyour?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
travels, man Travels.
So I used to do Olympicdeveloped soccer growing up oh
cool.
So I played on Olympic level,damn that pro Shit them knees.
Don't say that no more beforeI'm getting older, but um yeah.
So I had a chance to go toengland, which is cool.
Uh, actually met some of mydad's friends in england when I

(02:34):
went and traveled there andstayed there, which was actually
pretty awesome telling me acouple stories about him.
Um france, I've also been to ho,mexico, canada, belize, just
like all over the world, brother, yeah, all of the Caribbean
islands, like pretty much all ofthem.
I've been there, nice, it'snice most of them, some of them,

(02:59):
eh.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Right, but I still have for myself.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I still got just one left.
I got to do St Lucia and.
Trinidad.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
And then also.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Haiti.
I guess you got to do that, aswell, for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
For sure, any particular places that are your
favorite or any story that yougot.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Jamaica, jamaica, hey , jamaica, I bleed,
motherfucking, yellow green,hell yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
What is it about Jamaica, thatica, that that you
know brings, brings that, uh,you know that, that, that
specialness to it you know what?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
my family's from jamaica, my dad's uh, um, my dad
is one of ten, oh, wow, yeah,one of ten.
Jamaica and england, and uh,what brings that specialness of
the caribbean to me is a to food, to the music, and then just
the people.
They're the people of the sunyou know what I'm saying like
literally everybody in the worldwants to go to jamaica and
vacation.
Right the reason why it's notjust the scenery, right, it's

(03:54):
the people that you interactwith too.
You know what I'm saying likehave a great day.
You know one.
Love bob marley.
You think about reggae, youthink about everything.
We got the music to make you.
We got the music to make youmove.
We got the fucking food to makeyou fucking move as well too.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Love that, love that.
Let's get a little bit intohistory.
All right, I know you've saidthat you've lived many different
lives.
Give me some meat and potatoesas to, maybe, some of the
professions that you've had inthe past, and some of the
professions that you've had inthe past and some of the things
that you've, uh, learned fromthose all right.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Um professions, this has been a lot so uh, you know,
growing up played soccer.
That was like an everyday thing, number one.
So like you're kind of like amini athlete, especially doing
olympic level, collegiate level,that's one life.
Um graduating from school Iwork for este lauder, oh cool.
Shout out to all the ladies,pretty ladies hey, pretty ladies
fucking makeup, yada, yada,yada.

(04:53):
So I worked for them and I ranone of their um techs uh, what's
not, what's the word?
Uh, where I ran a plant forthem bristol pa, okay, uh, their
north tech division.
So basically what it was wasgetting stuff from Japan to New
York, getting stuff from NewYork to France, all the products
, yada, yada, yada.
So I did that for a while.
After that, I ended up workingfor a portable diagnostic

(05:15):
company called Mobile MedicalImaging, which was cool and also
brought me back to family aswell too.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
How so.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
How so?
Because one of the owners was afamily member of mine.
So getting to know him, see howhe acted, interacted what was
going on.
You know, employees, yada, yada.
That's a great thing, but thenalso.
So what I did with them was umI work on their um metamatrix
system, which was pretty muchlike getting ultrasounds and
x-rays to doctors so they canread what's going on for people

(05:44):
from nursing homes, from jails,um different contracts that they
had, um.
So I did that.
But then after a while, bro,like there was no windows in the
office I was working at andthere was like a sunlight damn
ray got has that sunlight canyou imagine having your lunch
break with no windows?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
no, I can't, I can't.
I'd be.
God be outside, I'd just bemoseying.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, I would be too.
The fucking 30 minutes to hourturned into an hour and a half
to two hours 32 and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
You'd be looking at the time.
You're like wait a second.
Where did it go?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
But what I realized about myself in doing that was
that me personally I'm not sureif it's because I'm Sagittarius,
I'm not sure if it's because Igrew up playing sports I just
didn't want to be in the office,even though I went to school
for business I was like, let metry something different.
So I realized and I thoughtabout one of my uncles that used
to come up all the time tovisit us, was from Boston.

(06:35):
Shout out to Faye and everybodyup there in Boston Shout out.
So what happened was he was afirefighter in Boston and I was
like one day I just randomly gotout of the computer at work and
I was like yo let me see what'sup, firefighter gigs, what's up
.
So I found out that MontgomeryCounty had an opening for
firefighters.
It was only 24 hours.
You can submit the applications.

(06:56):
I was like yo fuck it, Let mejust submit my shit, not
thinking nothing about it.
So I ended up submitting it.
They called me back and Ididn't know.
It was a whole year longprocess.
They're like keep prepared for awhole year, from background
checks, interviews with yourfamily, to you know, your
physical conditioning test, yada, yada, yada.
So I was like, ok, cool.
So I knew that this was coming.

(07:17):
Once I got to my interview, Ijust had a good feeling.
So I was living at Laurel inthe time and I was studying,
preparing for the physical stuff, which was easy for me going to
university of maryland, workingout, chilling, doing some crazy
stuff every once in a while.
And um, long story short, on myway to my oral interview my car
broke down.
Oh, shoot, I have them out ofthe way.

(07:40):
Oh, I'm pushing my car into theparking lot of like an arby's
yo and like people like, what isthis dude in the suit doing,
pushing his car in the parkinglot?
arby's, like yo, I got places togo.
I'm going to the arby's, likeyo.
Y'all gonna tell me they'relike no, you're good, you can
just park there.
Like cool, I run down thestreet, I go to my interview.
Oh, you made it, hell yeah Iprepared for this shit.

(08:01):
Like I, I do a lot ofpreparation for like work and
things of that nature, so ofcourse I figured out all the
questions they're gonna ask me.
Number one I figured talk to myuncle like what are the things I
need to say and like you knowthose things are keeping up prep
, nice, yeah, prep, anyway.
So long story short, I fuckingfinished that and then I'm like
all right.
So I think I'm gonna get thisjob, because I started calling
my family and they're like onceyou go through your family

(08:23):
background, check and then youtalk to your friends.
You're pretty much a shoo-inbecause of what they're, you
know, saying their budget, yada,yada, yada.
So, um, anyway, I quit my jobat the office shoot you're like
yo.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yo first off buy some windows buy some windows.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Make sure your lunch breaks a little different you
know what I'm saying and afterthat, yeah, you're cool.
You're cool, exactly so.
Um, yeah, so I got into pestcontrol for one year.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I just want to learn some stuff, so for the time that
you had to wait, got you.
I was like, yeah, that limbookay, got into pest control.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Did that.
After that man, I worked for afirefighter for 11 years and as
I was working as a firefighterdoing that, if you back a little
bit track in the background, Iwas playing music.
I played in the Sessions band.
I played in Subject to Changeband, playing guitar.
Oh, cool.
From rock instrumental toreggae stuff.

(09:21):
All that stuff's in thebackground as I'm talking about
this story.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Of instrumental to reggae stuff.
All that stuff's in thebackground as I'm talking about
this story.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Of course, of course you know dating all with this
girl, that girl, yada, yada,yada, you know saying getting
broken up with breaking up withpeople you know, just life.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Just life um friends passing away yada yada, yada.
Sorry to hear that we all gothrough a little bit of that
right we do, we do, we doactually, um, uh, shout out to
ch Higgins and his familyFirefighter just passed away
over the last weekend.
11 years Lieutenant, great guyworked with him a couple years,
yeah just let's take a moment.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Take a moment for him .

Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know it's important right, it is, it is,
it is sorry for your loss man,yeah, man, thank you.
Um, it's not the first person Ilost in the fire service, but
definitely everybody's a uniqueloss and a unique individual and

(10:15):
my heart goes out to his wifeand kids, period.
Um, yeah, so I did that for awhile and, like now, I'm in a
transition and you know thatthat's the way we met.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
You know, through music, me talking to you about,
you know, wanting to work on acollaborative ep collaborative
project yeah, grayson and I areworking on, uh, let me tell you
I I sorry to sidetrack a littlebit, but I think it's cool to
let people in on the background.
I met Grayson through somemutual friends but you're out

(10:49):
here walking the walk and hesent me a bunch of tracks and

(11:09):
right now, him and I have likewe already have like six or
seven songs that are in themaking and it's really cool to
be.
Music is a beautiful thing.
We really can combine ourenergies and all of the past
experiences that we've beenthrough and all the jobs that
we've had and the girls thatwe've dated and the people that

(11:32):
we've lost have really kind oflet's see here given some
backing to, uh, our passions for, for what we're, what we're
trying to do.
um, and make good music yeah,man, and, and we're just trying
to, we really are trying tobring some light to the world
and, uh, I'm really excited tosee uh, what, uh, what comes of

(11:53):
this.
But, um, but, keep going withthe music.
I want you to get into theacting.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Tell us a little bit oh yeah, uh, acting stuff, yeah.
So, um, check out uhthanksgiving roast, uh, shout
out to collective media puttingthat on, shout out to uh trey
walker, and then, um, yeah, sothat's on 2b.
And then we also did a sequelof a, of that which is also on
amazon to be streaming networksreal cool.
Yada, yada, yada.
Um, it's called a christmasstory and it's.
How do you spell that?
Christmas like a christmas,okay, but change christmas to a

(12:18):
mess.
Youtubey, streaming networks,roku, yada, yada, yada.
It's called A Christmas Storyand it's a-.
How do you spell that?
Christmas Like a Christmas?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay, but change.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Christmas to a mess, gotcha, and yeah, so that's a
cool one as well too.
That stars Darren Brand, mojoBrooks, trey Channey as well too
.
Big shout out to Trey, shoutout.
I appreciate you, man.
He was in the Wire.
Nice Lil Poop, but yeah,outside of that man, yeah.
So I do the acting on the sideas well too.

(12:44):
I do the music on the side aswell too.
I do bartending on the side aswell too.
I do spirituality on the sideas well too.
Spirituality is every day.
But talking to other people onthe side, I make a conscious
effort in my walk in life withspirituality to speak and be
open and listen to people aboutwhere they're at, in reference

(13:04):
to whatever system they might beworking in.
There's a lot of differentsystems when it comes to certain
things spiritual, whether youwant to be a wiccan, whether you
want to be a christian, whetheryou want to be a muslim,
whether you want to be ahermeticism where you want to,
you know, say there's.
So you know the davood or yourrobot, all that stuff like that.
But when I way I grew up, itwas a correspondence that

(13:25):
certain things translate certainspiritual energies, certain uh
goals, certain gods, certaingift that you can go from
culture to culture, to cultureto culture and say that these
align.
So my gift and what I feel myperspective in dealing with the
world is be able to relate witheverybody you know what I'm

(13:47):
saying, yeah, even if you don'teven believe in spirituality you
know you hate this materialism.
You know what I'm saying.
My thing is like all right,cool, you know what I'm saying,
let's vibe with that.
But yeah, so transition manI've been doing a lot of
traveling since the firedepartment.
I just finished doing that for11 years and I'm working towards
.
My personal goal is either MRItechnician I'm going to school,

(14:08):
back to school for that or aradiation therapist.
OK that's like what I want to do.
I enjoy helping people.
I come from a family of peoplein the medical field, so that's
one of the things that I want towork for for my next personal
goal, outside of my creativepursuits.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Man, it's important right To have, have those goals
and have those aspirations.
And I think you know, sometimeslife can can get in the way
sometimes, you know, but I feellike, as long as you have those,
let's talk about.
Let's talk about some of thosegoals.
Some of those goals, you know,how do you find yourself setting
some of those goals for the?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
future on a daily perspective.
A, I wake up, meditate aboutcertain things, checking with
myself, mmm, like what's goingon with me, is my goal?
An egotistical goal?
Is my goal?
A community goal?
Like where is it coming from?
Trying to pinpoint that?
Yeah, you know, from breathingexercises, with meditation, just

(15:04):
even five days, just beingpresent with myself.
And then what I do outside ofthat is I make a plan, man, um,
put it in my notes.
I might put it on a board, avision board, whatever it is.
And then I try to figure outwhat steps do I need to do to
get to that goal?
Who do I need to speak to?
That might have come before methat can maybe make the world or

(15:25):
my path a little bit easier.
And then, outside of that, whatdo I need to do personally to
make it fulfilled?
Like, what do I need to wrap upin my past?
Maybe it be financial stuff,like these bills over here, or
maybe it's a relationship.
Like, what do I need to do?
So I try to put all that stufftogether and then from there.
Just make you know what I'msaying start, start, walking
right love that.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
You know, I think it's something that's really
important and I think we I spokewith chris, uh, in the other
episode about this but, yeah,even something as small as just
that, that note tab in yourphone, that checklist in your
phone, to really stay connectedwith some of the things, because
, as far as your memory goes,you can only remember so much

(16:11):
and be able to accomplish somuch in a day, so maybe there's
a few things that you might notbe able to get done during that
day.
But I think, as long as you havethat list of things and I think
something else that youmentioned was kind of taking
like that moral inventory of thethings from the past that you

(16:32):
need to kind of check off Ithink that that's something that
I struggle with, that I reallydo need to work on, and that is
either whether it's a financesor a relationship, or even like
kind of like just collectivelytaking some of the ideas that

(16:54):
I've learned in the past andlike how can those things help
me with with my goals?
You know, I think that's reallyimportant.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Um, I'm curious about you, like what kind of goals
you got working on right?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
now perspectives, which is great man, that's a
good thanks for asking dude umgosh.
I would say, in the next year Iwould like to.
I'll do a one year and a fiveyear.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Okay, that's cool, I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
One year would be.
I want to release two albums,two albums this year.
Okay, hold me to it.
All right, it's happening.
All right, I'm working with acoach, I'm working with a mentor
and a team to make this happen,but I'm going to be releasing
an album in around like JuneJuly.
I'm going to be releasing analbum in around June July.
I'm going to have a releaseparty.

(17:41):
I'm going to be featuring someother artists.
Let's see here.
So there's that I'm going toput a lot of time and attention
and energy into that.
So you all will hear about thatin the near future.

(18:09):
Then we got at least five or sixother singles that are really
punch-out tracks that I feelreally need that special
attention by themselves, andthen we're going to have another
album at the end of the year,because once you got that
momentum, man, you got to keepit.
It's like Sonic's wheel man,you got to keep it.
It's like Sonic's wheel man,you got to keep that momentum
going.
I think that's really important.
Hopefully, that's somethingthat we can get into a little

(18:31):
bit later.
That snowball effect yeah, manfor sure, man, that snowball
effect and making sure that I'mholding myself accountable.
And that's actually why I lovethis podcast because me telling
y'all, and and you gee you knowsome of these goals.
It really helps me, um, stayaccountable, you know, um, and
then, uh, I plan on releasing atleast like 20 to 30 podcast

(18:55):
episodes for the year.
That's a lot, man, it's work.
Yo, we're working, bro, you'reworking, we're aiming high man,
we're aiming high and uh, I'mgonna have some.
I have already planned somereally interesting guests for
the future.
I'm not gonna spill too muchabout it, but, um, I have a
bunch of stuff, uh, in the worksfor that I'm excited, man
thanks, man.

(19:16):
And then the last but not leastuh, I think that I need a
manager, so why?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
why do you need a manager?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I'm just curious man, because I need someone to help
me be able to focus on the music.
I I've been finding myself, youknow, doing so many things that
, I will be honest, in thesepast few months, while doing the

(19:45):
podcast, I have kind of lost alittle bit.
I mean, I'm always writing, butwhen it comes to actually
getting that music and puttingit out, I try and keep the
podcast and the music separate,although I really do.
I should be intertwining themmore.
I don't like to shout thingsout, but at the same time I want

(20:09):
people to know about what'sgoing on in the background.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
So you need somebody who's going to be your agent for
you right now to helpcompartmentalize certain things
for you, and only bring to youwhat you necessarily need to
help, kind of likecompartmentalize certain things
for you, yes, and only bring toyou what you necessarily need to
work on, yes let's see here, uh, you know what, personally,
just just for me, um, you know,what is it about traveling that,
uh, you know, brings out that,that fire in you uh, 360

(20:37):
perspective on the world,brother.
Um, getting to know otherpeople's perspective.
How do you live?
You know what I mean.
And when I travel, I get tolearn the different cultures.
I get to learn different foodright, that's the PC aspect.
But also I get to see how otherpeople deal with their present
moment.
Man, we all want the same thing, right Family, love, some
goddamn money Right, andhonestly, just to learn about

(20:59):
good things, bro.
That's that's why I lovetraveling, yeah, outside of the
scenery, which is alwaysbeautiful, for sure, outside of
that but it's literally theinteraction with another human
being.
Say yo, we're on this planettogether.
I know we love them together,isn't it cool?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
you know what I'm saying same goals, brother, man,
dude, let me tell you, with mytraveling um, I've been
fortunate enough I'm the onlychild Only child syndrome over
here.
Yeah, yeah, I got it.
I got it.
I'm so grateful and I'm reallylucky to you know, my parents
also, you know, I think that'sreally important.

(21:35):
It's like your, you know,aspect or version of the world
is going to be like a percentageof like what your parents
either have lived um or havehave taught you and uh, they
have always had that um, thatwant and that drive and desire
to see new things, you know, andit's beautiful man.

(21:55):
I'm so grateful for that and uh, to be able to have, uh, you
know, join them in.
You know, I mean, it's cool tobe able to travel the world, but
like, then, also to like beable to travel the world with,
like with your loved ones, withyour family yeah now there are
times where you know, like youknow, dad wants to do one thing

(22:16):
and mom wants to do anotherthing and I want to do something
.
But you know what it's broughtus communication to be able to.
Okay, in the beginning of thetrip we're like okay, what are
the things that you want to do?
This is a day for dad, this isthe day for mom, and then I get
my day and then every day we'reworking out our family shit yeah

(22:38):
.
And no, it really actually does,does man it?
It helps me practice patience,you know, and like, even if it's
something that, like, I, that'sthe most beautiful part about
it, because, like, even if it'ssomething that I, you know, like
don't have like a vestedinterest in, or seeing, like,
knowing that, like it'ssomething that, like brings my

(23:01):
dad joy, yeah, or you know, youknow, my mom joy, I mean, that's
do you notice, like when youtravel with family or like a
really close group of friends,like y'all set your next year's
plans, those goals, but you setit in a new energy for sure, you
know for sure, definitely, youknow I need to do more traveling

(23:22):
with friends.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I do, uh, that could work out good or it could work
out bad.
I'm gonna tell you right nowwait why.
Why you say that you gotta havethe, you gotta have the right
combination of friends I've beenon trips with, like you know,
10 12 people.
I've been on trips with fourpeople.
More is not ever better to tobe honest with you.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Good point.
And why do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Because maybe that communication, I guess, as me,
mom and dad, we love each otherand understand, okay, but if it
were a friend, you got oneperson dating this person, and
then you got another girl whomight be insecure about this,
but then you got your one friendthat you know is dating this
person but at the same timedoing this crazy shit with other

(24:03):
friends like, oh, my god, youknow what I'm saying with you
and you're like you're lookingbehind your back, you're like
you're on the edge of a cliffand you're like, oh gosh, okay,
what's about to happen.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
No, you're right, man , that's, uh gosh, that's key
spirituality.
Man, let's, let's get into, uh,let's get into some spiritual
practices.
Tell me a little bit about yourspirituality and kind of how
things have shaped withspirituality with you throughout
the years.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh shit, there's a long story and I guess you're
going to hear it right now.
Dive in, man.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
That's why we're here , it's a long story and I guess
you're going to hear it rightnow Dive in man.
That's why we're here.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
So I grew up my grandparents, my dad on my dad's
side I didn't really know toomuch, except for my grandmother.
I love her, she was all aboutChristianity, right, so I grew
up with that, going to churchwith her hanging out.
And then also on my mom's side,her mother was a pastor and a

(25:01):
deacon, so grew up in thatspirituality as well too.
But my dad, surprisingly, waslike the exact opposite.
Um, just in his own personalwalk, and what he did was he got
, for whatever reason, real biginto alternative spirituality
when it comes to like YorubaSanteria, things of that nature.
But what he used to do iscollect all these books from
like free masonry,rosicrucianism, golden dawn,
dawn, yada, yada, yada, andthat's what I grew up.

(25:21):
So I had church on Sundaysevery once in a while, grandma,
yada, yada, yada.
And then at night I godownstairs and scare the fuck
out of myself.
Yo, yeah, she's like like.
I remember one of my first books.
I'm like eight years old, likelearning how to read it.
Years old, like learning how toread.
It was like the necronomicon.
I'm like what the fuck is this?
Obviously it's from.
You know certain things.
It's not really a true thing, atrue path, but and I also read

(25:45):
like golden dawn shit, and I'mlike yo, what is all this like
like crazy stuff.
So that's why, I grew up fromthat, so imagine that expounded
till I'm, like you know, 17 inthe world a little bit.
And then I ran into a lady, ummama joyce, lovey, silver spring
, and um howard university usedto teach an alternative religion
class.
Oh, that's pretty cool about,uh, spirituality of the

(26:06):
caribbean, um things of thatnature, french guyana, that's in
south america, yada, yada yada.
And I used to be with her allthe time because she was
teaching me certain things,because she's very like um
clairvoyant, if you believe intoit or not, but she just in tune
with what was going on yeah anduh, I used to translate for the
howard university students forher.
Oh, cool about certain like whythis ritual means this.

(26:28):
What does it symbolize?
Yada, yada, yada.
So that led me to you knowfurther in my practices, and
then, unfortunately, drugs aswell too hey, it happens, man,
it's part of the process, youknow, opens up your mind so I
went from that man to where I'mat now, from meditation to you
know mantras, to just travelingthe world seeking spirituality

(26:49):
that's what the fuck I do, right?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
so you had the intention of of finding that.
Uh, you know what's thedifference between spirituality
and like believing in God?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Hmm, I believe that.
Oh, you mean spirituality andreligion.
Yeah, yep, okay.
I feel like religion andspirituality go cold hand in
hand.
What's accepted as a majorityreligion, or just accepted
practices, accepted rituals,daily prayers that everybody's

(27:21):
accepted?
And spirituality is more of anindividual thing or more of a
community-based thing that mightbe smaller than the accepted
religion and all it really is.
Spirituality, whether it'sindividual, what are your
personal rituals?
What do you do for yourself toget your mind right, to get your
heart worked and to get yourbody moving?
Or what does this sect ofWiccans believe?

(27:42):
Or what do these Masons believe, or whatever around the world
it might be?
You know what I'm saying?
Something like that.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, it's awesome because I think that we can all
take a little bit from that andbe able to practice our.
It's beautiful that we canpractice our own understanding
of you know what spiritualitymeans, um and uh.
I hope for everybody listeningthat you're on your own, uh,

(28:13):
spiritual path and the fact thatthere is something out there
for you.
You know, um you might not havefound it yet but um, you know,
with g over here you hear he'sbeen through, you know, so many
different walks of life.
I think that's helped himunderstand and be able to, you
know, take a little bit fromfrom each one and and help him,

(28:35):
you know, build that, uh, that,that, that spiritual core.
That's good advice you know heyman, you're, you're, you're,
you're the one spitting it, dudeno man.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Like just just to add on to what he just said, like
to be honest with you.
If you think about us as a, asa culture, as a, as an entity on
the planet, human, youliterally are the tip of the
spear for your family'sbloodline.
I'm the tip of the spear for myfamily's bloodline, my
generation.
So I know it's a pc thing tosay, or maybe it's just been

(29:05):
quoted, but you are the answersto your ancestors prayers oh
wait, a second say that againyou are the answers to your
ancestors prayers.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah love, that love that.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
So you are the next generation that's living in a
better world, whether youbelieve it or not, or a changed
world.
And so how are you going to act?
You know what I mean Becauseyou have their blood, you have
their hearts, you have what yourparents talked about when you
were growing up.
They tried to instill in you.
Now you're supposed to takethat, so you are the answer.
That's what it means.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Love that man.
That's an amazing piece ofadvice for everybody out there.
Let's dig a little bit intosidestep, into a little bit of
meditation.
How has meditation kind ofhelped you find that core and to
kind of help you build throughall this stuff thing?
I really I would love to atsome point have, um like just
like a, a meditation uh practice, either like on the podcast

(30:05):
itself or maybe even, like youknow, have like a separate, like
you know, little little sectionto be able to help people
figure out how to, how tomeditate.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I'm gonna say the benefits of meditate, why you
should meditate?
Yeah, present moment.
If you can extend the presentmoment and make it slow-mo, then
you can do what you want to doin the present moment and
everybody think it's actuallyhappening in real time.
But then that gets into magic.
What you're gonna do when yougot the extra 1.5 seconds of

(30:38):
presence?
Oh okay, that only person mighthave one second of in that 0.5
seconds.
What you're gonna do with it?
yeah right, yeah that adds up,yeah, meditation.
So breathing exercises that'swhat I started off with.
You know, just a four fullbreath is like in for four, hold
it for four, let it out forfour.
Hold that, let out for four,skip breathing.
That's what we talk about firefighting as well, too.

(30:58):
So these meditation exerciseswork with different chakras that
are aligned with differentenergies, whether you believe it
or not.
Or just period work withdifferent parts of your mind and
boom, it adds a differentclarity, a different presence in
the moment, and that's why Ifuck with it yeah, I love that
man.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Let me tell you, uh, as far as meditation goes, you
know, I've been really trying tohave that.
Do you have any like morningrituals that you um either, or
when do you find is the besttime to meditate?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I feel like you can meditate at any time.
There's um from a 30 seconds toa minute, to five minutes to 10
minutes.
Your meditations can beelaborate they could be
visualizations, they can beinvocations what is it
invocation?
it's trying to bring somethingtowards you, bring something
within you.
What is so trying to bring aprinciple or a spirit or energy

(31:53):
that you might not be accessibleto you?
You're trying to bring that toyou.
Attraction law of manifestation.
You know I mean the secret yada.
That's that to you AttractionLaw of manifestation.
You know what I mean?
The secret Yada yada, yada.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
See, you're getting in on something, yeah that's all
the same things.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Correspondences so, but anyway.
But yeah, whatever you want,bro, in the shower, if you're
washing your ass.
Get in the water Like yo,Meditate about the water, you in
your body, breathing it.
What's it feel?
Oh, this is some air, somehumidity.
Let me open up my lungs for theday.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Let me tell you something.
This past weekend, I was luckyenough to attend something
called Inner Fusion FestivalShout out to Michaela, thanks
for helping me figure out.
I was able to volunteer for it.
Man, I had this outer bodymeditation experience that I had

(32:43):
never had in the past and itwas me.
I was crying, like I, I dude,like I was crying, but it was
like it wasn't like sad, sad boytears, you know.
I mean, it was like I'm happyyeah, it was, but but at the
same time, like I was, like Iwas getting stuff out.

(33:04):
You know, like I feel, likelike most of the meditation that
I do, like I'm trying to bringin, but like this meditation was
like getting getting these likefeelings that I had, these
emotions that have kind of beenstuck in me for a while out and
man, dude it was.
It was, it was outer body dudeand it was exactly what I needed

(33:27):
at exactly the right time, andlike it was just like it was a
real deep cry and like I I'm notlying like I felt something
exit my body that's so that thatneeded to leave, okay, and you
know what it was?
It was like doubt, it was.
Let me think about it realquick.

(33:48):
Um it was doubt it was you feltlighter as well too I did, man,
I walked away from that withlike, with like 10 pounds off of
my shoulders, man, and gosh, Ihad.
Luckily I had some, some reallycool people around me to like
kind of just guide me through it.
You know, cause, like I wasreally kind of in the moment

(34:10):
myself and like I had somepeople kind of around me, like,
you know, get it out.
You know, this is, this isreally important for you and I,
I feel like we don't especiallylike as men, you know, we're not
told to to to cry, you know,and and have these particular
emotions or feelings, but, man,I never realized that that

(34:32):
something like that could umhappen to me, with me and for me
, and uh, man, it was, it wasamazing dude, I'll, I'll never
forget it and uh, I I hope thatother people out there can find
that same sort of meditation inwhatever they're doing.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
That's what man that's well said, brother, and
like.
That's a beautiful thing to beable to have something to affect
you to the point where you feellifted and also you feel open.
Man, that's, that's beautiful.
And yes, I agree with you, asmen like growing up, we're
supposed to express thisnon-emotional thing, but the
fact that you had an opportunityto do that, that's dope man
dude.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
It made me so grateful, like instantly
grateful, and I I'm soappreciative of the opportunity
to be able to have thesefeelings and these emotions and
to be able to.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Let me ask you a question, yeah, yeah.
If you can get rid of oneemotion on the spectrum of
emotion in the world foreverybody, what would it be man
if I could get rid of oneemotion.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I mean I know this sounds kind of crazy, but but
fear really yeah, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
You know how many bank robbies we've been having I
know, and that's why that's whyit's like that's such a
personal, personal thing, rightyour girlfriend's friends that
you just thought were friendswould just be like yo, I'm going
to take you out.
There was no fear, Bro.
That's dangerous, You're right.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
It is, but I think, though, if it's in the right
hands, I feel like you're right.
Fear does like dry.
I feel like fear drives a lotof people, but it should be love
, though.
That should be.
I respect that.
Think about if we got rid offear, then what would we put in
place of that?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Okay, what about you, though?
Wait, wait, let's go to you.
All right About me.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Or not even get rid of one emotion.
What actually?
What's one emotion that you aresuper grateful for, that you
couldn't do without?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I couldn't do without , okay Love, yeah, for that you
couldn't do without.
I couldn't do without, okayLove.
That's full circle.
I feel like love and fear areone and the same, because to
love somebody is you have tohave a little bit of fear that
about their decisions you got tohave a trust and confidence
about you're hoping that they'regoing to make certain things To
love.
You could have.
Love of God, fear of God, loveof another person, fear of

(36:59):
another person.
You know it's the same edge.
But what I could deal withwithout one motion I think that
the world can deal without isjealousy.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Oh yeah, that's so important.
Let's sit with that for asecond Straight up jealousy.
When is the last time you feltjealous?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
The last time I felt jealous.
It's a long time, bro.
I probably can't even reallypinpoint it on it, to be honest
with you, because I try toapproach things with such a good
spirit, like so positive withcertain things.
But let me reflect for a second.
Give me one second so I'll giveyou a real answer.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, Think about that.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
While you're thinking oh, I got you, yeah, yeah, yeah
, I had one family member go tothe league like the NFL, and I
had a cousin go to the leagueNFL and I wasn't jealous about
their success because I wassucking happy.
I was jealous about theirdetermination to stick in with
something that I didn't stick inwith as well.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yo, for sure I'm used to you happy as hell for your
success, but I was jealous.
I was like yo.
It's his determination.
I wish I had it in those times.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Does that make sense For sure.
You know, I was talking with myvocal coach this morning
actually about emotions, andsomething that we speak about is
the fact that emotions don'thave any actual like backing.

(38:27):
You know, most of the emotionsthat we deal with are just like
triggered by particular thingsand like something that we want
to separate is that, you know,your emotions are not your
thoughts Hell, no, they're not.
You know, I think, as a, as anartist, I, when I'm, when I'm

(38:48):
making music this is a challengethat I've been trying to
navigate recently, but as anartist, I feel like the best
music does invoke particularemotions in people.
So, say I'm writing a song aboutlet's go to jealousy, a song

(39:12):
about, um, let's, let's go tojealousy, you know.
Say I'm writing a song about um, yeah, I mean not not even just
like being jealous aboutsomething, but like me kind of
like having like like fomo, youknow, or something like that,
but like, as I'm writing thosewords on the piece of paper,
like I do have to go throughthat emotion, you know, in order
to get it out.
And, as an artist, like I putmyself through a lot of emotions

(39:35):
when I'm songwriting and um Ido you feel like?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
that's why I, like the younger kids, only express
the let me get money, let me getrich, let me blah blah.
They don't ever really expressemotion by yo old girl messed
girl messed me up.
I ain't going to lie to you.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I lost out on this day.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, do you feel like that coincides with it.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
It is for sure, and it makes me think about all of
the emotions that are out there,you know, and maybe some of the
ones that we haven'texperienced recently that you
know maybe drive us andshouldn't that, maybe drive us
and shouldn't.
So I hope that everybodylistening can kind of think

(40:14):
about some of the things that wetalked about and some of the
emotions that you're goingthrough and figure out a way to
get through them.
And you know what?
Actually, this is a perfecttime to plug the Respecting
Perspective hotline.
Okay, did I tell you about?
this yeah, so we got a hotline,okay that you can call and, um,

(40:37):
you know we'll put you on theshow here, but, uh, if you could
give us a call, it's our443-292-2677, and, yeah, just
maybe kind of talk about some ofthe stuff that G and I have
been talking about today andkind of get your voice and some

(40:59):
of the feelings that you haveout there on there.
That way we can all learn fromeach other.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Exactly Express your emotions and we're going to
respect your perspective.
That's what's up, Yo expressyour emotions.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
That way we can respect that perspective.
Man, I love that dude, that'sperfect dude, I love it.
Man, tell me, let's dig alittle bit into hermetics.
What is hermetics?
Because you actually kind oftaught me when we first started
making music about whathermetics is and I think this is

(41:35):
a good little tie-in here Giveus the not like the actual
definition of hermetics, butlike to you what is hermetics?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
and how can people, so people can relate to it.
You ever just heard the sayingas above, so below.
That comes from hermeticism.
Hermes trismegistus, which issomething that was as a deity
that they believe lived way backbefore egypt, yada, yada, yada,
like thousand years.
I'm not a historian, so it'snot gonna be perfect.

(42:05):
You sound like it?
No, I just have a decent memoryfor the most part.
But yeah, so it comes fromthose principles that he print
out, or that they believe thathe print out and spoke about.
And that's what a hermeticistis.
It's just a way of operatingwithin the world, man.
So fast forward to like 1500s,fast forward to what's going on.

(42:25):
It's a set of principles howyou operate in the world and
then also how you believe aboutcertain things, whether they're
animistic means everything havea spirit or is it psychology,
where you're giving certainvalues and principles of things
that may not necessarily have aspirit, but how you work with it
?
It's so much stuff, bro.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
We could sit here all day.
Honestly, you dropped the wordand, and animistic.
Yeah, animism animism?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
well, what it?
What is?
What is an animist?
Uh, I would feel like ananimist is a person that
believes that everything has aspirit associated with it and
everything has a vibration, andthat a vibration affects you as
a person, but also within theuniverse it has a place even
non-living things, evennon-living things, brother for a
little bit like let's just like, look at this piece of wood

(43:18):
right here.
Uh-huh, whether somebody builtit or not, there was energy
that's placed into it becauseit's sitting right here
vibrating in front of you.
So how does that affect you?
How does it affect theenvironment?
Ike feng shui is built off ofthat inanimate objects that you
place in certain places thathave a vibrational frequency
that affects your vibration,your output yeah, for sure, I

(43:41):
love that.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Um, let's see here.
There was something, though,that you were talking about
principles.
Um, give me some.
What are some principles thatyou live by?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Some principles I live by Putting you on the spot
with that.
Have a smile on, Give a smileto everybody that hopefully you
walk by or you have a quickmoment with and just honestly
ask somebody about their day butactually want to listen about
it.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's so important.
I think, yeah, man, let'sstress that.
Yeah, that's so important.

(44:31):
I think, yeah, man, let'sstress that.
The fact that you want to.
You know family and friendsthat are around you.
You want to ask them how theirday is going day, you know, like
you still kind of want to beable to voice that you know and
get that out.
That way, you can teach otherpeople like, uh, you know, I
went through this earlier today.
I learned this lesson.
I feel like that's a a greatway for us to share lessons and
to be able to, um, you know,learn from each other.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Respect so I think like instead of principles, I'm
awarded like maybe virtues thatI live by oh, okay, so that I
smile and walk it about a personis like try to be happy you
know what?
I'm saying, yeah, um, if Iactually have a conversation,
ask somebody about their day, itjust means like try to like
engage with the world.
So virtue, like engage but behappy while you're engaging and

(45:11):
then just listen, so be happywhile you're receiving, because
it's just a moment.
So more virtues I want to saylike principles, like I think
sometimes we get lost in likewordplay for certain things for
sure, and I don't thinkeverybody has the same
definitions, and that's theproblem of communication right,
yeah, no, you're so right.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Tell me about your principles, gosh, my principles,
man gosh.
I feel like I try to lead withlight.
Okay, I try to honesty.
Honesty, you know, try and, butbeing honest with yourself,
that's right, you know.

(45:59):
And sometimes you do have totake that deep look in the
mirror and ask yourself, youknow, are you doing the right
thing?
I think it has a lot to do with, actually, and it seems very
simple, but right and wrong.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
What if you look in the mirror and say I'm doing the
right thing.
But what if your right thing isnot what everybody else thinks
is right?
There's some people that lookin the mirror.
They'll be like yo I'm doingthe right thing, I'm doing the
best.
I can't yada yada.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
But everybody else in the world is like, oh, what the
fuck is this person doing?
I think if it, if it really hasto do with like morals, okay,
right, um, I feel like it has todo with, do you feel like you
are adding to the world?
you know, you are bringingpositivity to the world I think
that's really important now,right, right and wrong.
Like think about like a defense, um, like a lawyer who's

(46:56):
defending like a murderer okay,you know something like that.
I think that's like a moreextreme case.
But like, right, like that,maybe that person feels like
they're doing the right thingfor that that's the dilemma I'm
trying to talk about.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Right, because what happens?
Because there's the defendant'slawyer that thinks he's doing
the right thing right, and thenyou have the plaintiff's lawyer
or the state's lawyer and theythink they're doing the right
thing right, like, how do we getpast that dichotomy that I look
in the mirror and think I'mbringing this to the world and
it's going to be a positivething.
This other person is saying theexact opposite, but they think

(47:30):
it's a positive thing.
Right, we work on that man,that's a great question.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Um, that's something to really ponder.
Uh, I think it has to do withthe communication itself.
Like you know, asking otherpeople hey, do you think that
this is a good cause?
Um, and you know, just kind ofa numbers game, like, okay, if
more of those people think orsay, although you know, who

(47:56):
knows, because what if those,the 10 people that you ask, are
all people you know on this sideof the spectrum.
You know, you know I think that,as long as you're trying, as
long as you are, you know,really, I think it has to do
with your heart.
Okay, your heart Does it feelgood?

(48:19):
Does it feel I know right andwrong is kind of hard, okay, so
like, liberal and Republican,like each side feels right.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Each side feels.
You know what I'm saying.
How do you feel about that man?
I feel like it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Like is it for the better, is it for the good of
society, not just me?
Right, like it can be, it canbe good or bad for you, but like
is it good for the future of?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
humans.
Okay, you know humansthemselves.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Um, yeah, and I think that can be a dilemma.
You know that could be a tricky, a tricky thing.
Um, although I do feel likelike having a passion and, and
you know, keeping your familyclose and making sure that those
people that you really are ableto have these deep

(49:17):
conversations with and ask them,I think you constantly do need
to be questioning.
Yeah, like every like, everyaction that you take is going to
require another form of thatquestion that's why you got to
have this sith that's it, you doyou're gonna have a sip in my

(49:37):
head.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
In the reality I live in, like, whether you talk
about a grim reaper, whether youtalk about fucking, you know
the ancient egyptians why theyhad the certain siths or the.
You know what is a sith?
So basically, it's um, it's abig sword, that's like this, and
then they use it to cut thewheat, like you see, the
egyptian kings have.
Yeah, grim reaper has it as welltoo, but what is the sith?

(49:59):
The sith ain't nothing but aquestion.
Mark your question what's goingon?
This present moment, you feelme you're questioning what is
happening inside, has what youknow which.
That's all it is because aquestion.
You ever had a question,somebody asked you a question at
the wrong, at a wrong time andyou'd be like fuck, that just
fucked my whole energy up, yeah,yeah for sure like it'll mess
up a whole group situation.
Somebody asked the wrongquestion, but then sometimes

(50:21):
you've asked the right question.
Spiritually, it takes youdifferent places, right, that's
it.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
That's why you got to have it, man.
I love that man and that's thecoolest part about what we're
doing here is being able to askquestions, and actually I really
respect you for kind of takingthe time to ask me some of these
questions and listening to whatI have to say.
Back to the whole listeningportion of this Do you feel like

(50:47):
people listen enough?
Do you feel like the peoplethat are around you?
How do you know when someone isactually listening to you?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
How do you know?
I guess I mean they're payingattention to your questions,
mm-hmm, they're responding andthey're actually responding from
a place of relax.
They're not trying to jump thegun to respond.
Yeah, trying to cut you off,you know what I mean?
That's how I figure outsomebody's listening.
They don't cut you off.
For the most part, I feel likethey're listening now, whether

(51:19):
they're interested or not.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
That's a whole different thing.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
But someone who's engaged, eye contact how they're
moving.
Are they changing with yourstory?
Are you actually connecting?
Because when you connect withfolks and you're in a
conversation, people are goingto change their body movement
and you can see.
Okay, maybe they didn't agreewith what you're saying, but you
know you're listening, you knowwhat I'm saying, that's a good
point, that's it.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, love that.
I mean I feel like we shouldall be doing a little more
listening these days.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I'll be talking sometimes too much.
That's just me.
That's my problem.
That's my problem.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Well, you know what?
I'm sure that even with talkingtoo much, that just means that
there can be more opportunitiesfor listeners out there.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
You know, yeah, maybe sometimes there's no shut up.
Who's the?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
best.
Let me ask you this in yourlife, who do you feel like is,
uh, the best listener?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
oh, the best listener in my life is my brother,
brandon shouts out to brandonfor being a great brandon shouts
out to you man, I love you.
That's my brother.
He was born 14 months after me.
Like you're gonna be best manat my wedding whenever it
happens.
But to listen, but to listenwithout judgment.
But then still give advice froma no judgment place.

(52:33):
It's like bro, that's priceless.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It is it, it is.
Make sure that he sees this,because he'll be super grateful
to hear that.
I'm sure, gosh man, we'vegotten into so many things here.
Let's see here.
Let's talk about purpose.
Let's talk about why you thinkyou're here.

(52:56):
What do you think, justpersonally, uh, what do you
think your purpose is here onearth?
I?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
have no clue.
I don't think anybody reallyknows right I feel like that's
the existential questions we canfigure out or try to think
about and meditate for 30 yearson a fucking mountaintop about,
but in the end we we still won'tknow Right.
The purpose is to be happy,connect with other people, try
to be a good person, but havesome fun and just realize that,

(53:26):
like Slim, live life the way youwant to live it.
Fuck what they're telling you.
This is how you got to live it,with these rules, these laws.
Like no motherfucker, you wasborn at the same.
You were born out of a vaginathey were born to have a vagina.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
What makes that vagina more powerful?
Like, come on right, the wayyou want to live, man, that's
such a great, that's such agreat thought, right, gosh, man.
Although when it comes to if,if you were to just give it,
though, a purpose, you know, andto kind of give yourself a
little bit more of a meaning tothe conversation itself, um, do
you?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
do you feel like you?
I think my purpose right now isto, in my current walk, where
I'm at, is to create music thatallows other people around the
world to learn whether that'sspiritually, and just to have an
outlet from whatever they mightbe going through.

(54:17):
Man, love that dude.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Have an outlet from whatever they might be going
through right now, man, that'sit, bro, just like you yeah,
just music, that's.
That's what it is man, I, I wasgonna, I was gonna, I was gonna
say the same thing.
Man, you literally took the,the words out of my mouth and,
uh, I'm so grateful.
I could have never thought, youknow, 20 years ago, when I
first started writing music,that I would have been able to

(54:40):
find my purpose through writing.
And, uh, man, let me tell you,when you find it like that, man,
that that connection is it.
It really creates a sense ofbeing and it really helps you

(55:01):
understand.
And I think, once you do findthat purpose and it's going to
take you you might never find it, but I think, as long as you're
you know you're guiding peopleand you're guiding yourself in
the right direction.
That's one of the mostimportant things is finding your

(55:24):
purpose in life.
And once you do, you know it,you know it's right.
I know for a fact that's thechallenge that I'm having right
now is because I do HVAC, I fixpeople's heaters and air
conditioners, and while I do,you know love, uh, doing that

(55:46):
for people and I getsatisfaction.
There's part of me that's likeI should be in the studio right
now.
You know I should be.
You know I should be spreading,you know, positivity and light
through my music.
But but at the same time, thedaily job that I have helps me

(56:07):
create fuel for the fire of mypassion.
That's what's up, and to beable to kind of have that yin
and yang in between those twothings is really beautiful, and
I'm super grateful to have beenable to figure or at least think
I figured at least a part ofthis out Myself.

(56:30):
Yeah, myself, man.
That's what's up.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
It's great dude.
That's what's up.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I love it and I'm excited to see what you and I,
what type of purpose we canbring to other people.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
So I got a question, I got to ask you yeah, man, mac
Miller, you know I've alwaysnoticed you got the Mac Miller
gear on.
You speak about him every oncein a while.
I have yet to have a moment toask you why Mac Miller is
important for you, like,whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Man.
Thanks for asking that question, um gosh, I I might take a few
minutes for this, but I thinkit's worth it.
Um, you know, when I wasyounger I artists.
I always looked up to musicians.
They were my role models.

(57:20):
And to be able to navigate somany different terrains of types
of music, it really showedMac's versatility in trying to
figure out himself.
Like through his music I'm ableto see him trying to navigate

(57:47):
life and going through the sameproblems trial, drug use, trials
and tribulations and it reallyhelped me relate.
I think it has a lot to do withrelatability and when Mac
passed, it really brought thissense of I felt like I lost a

(58:14):
best friend.
And I'm going to give you alittle story.
I'm not sure if you know this, Iknow some of the listeners have
heard it, but a few yearsbefore he passed, I wanted to
let him know how important hewas to myself and the community

(58:34):
around us because really a lot,lot he has influenced and still
does influence a lot of peoplewith his, with his music, okay,
um, and I thought about okay,you know what, how can I do this
?
And I wrote him a song and Ibought a vip ticket, okay, and

(58:59):
when it was my turn in line toget that picture and that
autograph I didn't ask for thosethings I sang him the song and
I was able to really make thisconnection with something that
felt so kind of like the sunthat you can't touch but brings
so much light and joy to to yourlife.

(59:21):
And I was able to touch the sunthat day and I was able to
develop a connection with himand later on, after open up for
him, you know, you opened up forher.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, and was able to open up for her a year after.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
And man to be able to make that connection.
He gave me the time and he madehimself available and he was
just there and present for thatmoment, and for me to be able to
have that moment itself wasjust extremely special.
I've I haven't been able, I'vebeen able to do it maybe with

(01:00:03):
like one, two or three otherartists.
Since then, you're writingsongs for everybody.
Um, you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
man, I'm trying to make connections with everybody
you know, and when?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
when mac passed, I really did see it.
You know, first I was reallysad, obviously, but then it made
me realize I was super gratefulto be able to have taken
advantage of an opportunity whenhe was here and when I lost my
favorite artist.
I had to become my own afterthat, after that, and it gave me

(01:00:48):
the strength to reach newheights and it gave me the, the
optimism to realize that, nomatter where you are in life, no
matter what position you're in,no matter what walk you're
going on, that you know theopportunities out there, they're
out there, and that it's it'sit's beautiful that we can all
make these connections with eachother.
You know, like this, thisconversation we're having right

(01:01:10):
now, and it it helps me, youknow, go through, you know, some
of the, some of the, the thingsthat I haven't thought about in
a while that really do drive medown deep inside and I had to
really figure out what I wantedthat crystal ball to look like.

(01:01:33):
And it's only up to me, man,thank you for sharing that
brother.
Yeah, thanks for asking man.
That's really to me, man.
Thank you for sharing, brother.
Yeah, thanks for asking man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
That's really gosh man, the way you worded, that is
, that I no longer had myfavorite artist.
I had to become my own artist.
Yeah, man, that hit me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Dude.
And now it's just really.
I make music for myself, and Iknow that might sound selfish in
a way, but really like I makemusic to get me.
My music are just messages tomy future self.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I was going to say there's nothing wrong with being
selfish every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Right.
Think about the wordsself-centered.
You know what doesself-centered mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
To you, self-centered means whether to me it means
things are revolving around meright now.
That's it.
I'm self-centered right now, atthe moment it may not be
forever.
Just don't be self-centeredyour whole life, right, although
?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
think about it like what, if you're, it's not wrong
to be centered at yourself.
You know what I mean.
Like that, we yourself.
You know what I mean With words, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
But what comes first with the words Centered or self
Exactly, so, we could becentered.
But how are we centered?
Are we globally centered?
Are we self-centered?
Community-centered?
Boom, boom, boom.
Even that I'm self-centeredmeans my self comes first, then
my centering.
So I said it's cool to do thatevery once in a while be,
self-centered, self-serving, butyou know what I'm saying?
all that stuff, but every oncein a while you have to go out

(01:03:05):
and be serving for other people.
Yes, you know?
I mean, yeah, just be centerednow.
Take the self out of thefucking sentence.
Just be centered.
But now, what are you centeredon?

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
yeah, you love that man, love that gosh.
That's, that's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Let me ask you a question yeah, yeah, when you
listen, what are your pet peevesabout other people?
When they talk like what, what,what kind of talkers don't you
like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
um, let's see here, uh, someone who is like it's
always I, you know, it's alwaysabout and it has to do with the
self-centered thing too.
It's like I did this or or Idid that, and they're always
trying to like one-up you, youknow, there's those

(01:03:51):
conversations and you have thosefriends who are like always
trying to one-up you, you knowthey're oh, they always got a
better story, they've alwaysbeen to a better place.
So, yeah, I would say that thatis the biggest pet peeve.
And then also the opposite ofthat, I love people who teach me

(01:04:12):
new words, like if they use aword that I've never heard
before, man, that really helpsme open up and understand you
know, different excited I'll begetting excited about new words.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
When somebody uses a new word, I'll be like yo.
What does that mean?
I'm looking for excuses to useit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
You know for sure, for sure.
Wait, you hear that.
What's that noise?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
are you oh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
is that the phone?
This is the.
This is that.
Oh, gee, john, okay, okay, wait, who is this?
Oh, I got g, I got og here.
Okay, okay, wait a second.
Yeah, you know what?
Actually, I got somebody herewith me, right like literally
sitting next to me, that uhwants to, wants to give you some

(01:04:53):
.
Uh wants to give you some.
You know, I'm not sure what hewants to give you, but I'm just
gonna give, I'm gonna hand you,going to hand you over here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Let me get the phone.
Let me get the phone.
Hey G, is that you?
Oh man, this is OG.
Nah, you don't know me just yet.
You're a little different.
I'm trying to tell you rightnow.
Look, look, look, look, look.
Just listen to what I say.
Yo, hey, chill now for a second, bro, you're good, you're good.

(01:05:23):
I gotta tell you something.
Look, number one, express youremotions.
Don't get it all bottled up andkeep it all bottled up.
It's okay, as, being a man, youcan express emotions, brother,
you can have a whole range ofthings.
I already know why you don't,because you've been through a
lot of stuff, so you got to,like, put on that perspective.
Yo, express yourself, man, be alittle soft at times.
Get a pet bunny or something,all right, hey.

(01:05:44):
Number two bro, leave thefemales alone, period.
Hey, learn about them, you know, have fun, have good
conversation, but just leavethem alone on their relationship
.
Don't put too much into itright now.
Man, you need to go out thereand study the world quicker.
Use that youth in them legs, gofind a book somewhere in

(01:06:06):
another continent.
You feel me, uh, outside of thatbro, look, I know, uh, you're
gonna do what you want to do andcan't nobody tell you nothing.
So hopefully you're stilllistening.
Um, well, you know money isvery important, uh-huh.
Well, yeah, save a little bit,five dollars, ten dollars, like,
just save something,motherfucking.
Uh, outside of that man.

(01:06:27):
Look man, um, go about your dayand just know that what you're
going through is only temporaryperiod.
And then, bro, just keep lovingthe way you love, keep seeing
things positive as you seepositive, and nobody is going to
really understand you for yourwhole life, but what you want
them to understand is what youexude.

(01:06:48):
So just be happy, be positive,bro, that's it nice and tell
them you love them oh, I loveyou too, man.
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I know what you about to do, but I still love you hey
, man, you end up being being anamazing person and you, you
should be really proud of theman that you become oh, thanks
bro alright, love you dog.
Get back to that video game.
Thank you, thank you nice, niceman, that's a fun one ain't it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
yeah, that's fun, bro , that's good everybody out
there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
You should be having a conversation with your old
self at all times.
You know, I mean, even if it's,even if it's something as
cheesy as picking up a phone toto have to do it, you know, talk
to you, talk to yourself, youknow, even if you know, even if
it's it doesn't apply to whatyou're doing right now, you know
, um, it's important to be ableto to.

(01:07:43):
You know, bring those, those,those thoughts, to the to the
forefront.
All right, so we're about to doa little rapid fire here.
Ok, all right, you didn't getto see any of these, but all
right.
And again it's rapid fire, soyou got to kind of like as quick
as possible as quick aspossible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Okay, all right okay, ready.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yeah, let's do it.
Here we go.
What's your favorite time ofday and why?
Morning time because I get tosleep through it if someone paid
you to write a book, what wouldit be about?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
the adventures of a firefighter who didn't give a
fuck oh, you love that love thatwhat was the last book you read
?
Oh, oh, uh, zen bones.
Uh, don't quote it on me, butbasically it's about a lot of
zen teachings and what they dois um certain words, certain
phrases, that um send flesh,zen's flesh, and zen bones just

(01:08:38):
a little quote here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
There, that's it.
There we go cool, go go cop itall right.
Would you change your name ifyou could?
Yes, and what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
to bradley wilkins the third what?
Okay, you had that prepared,get all my, get all my
reservations on time what's thelast movie that made you cry?
Oh, there's only one moviethat's ever made me cry my whole
life, and that was deep impactoh, that's a throwback,
throwback baby.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
All right, what's the funniest?
What's the funniest movieyou've ever seen?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
oh, the ballad of ricky bobby tell it they're nice
shaking back baby.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Uh, explain the last time you faked being sick to get
out of doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Oh, uh, work probably .
Uh, it didn't work out too well.
I said I went to vacation, wentto miami with my brothers and
my family and I fucking faked it.
I told them like look, I'm sick, blah, blah.
But then I posted on facebookmust dumb, dumb did it, did it,
we've all done it we've all doneit all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
What item would you grab first if your house was on
fire?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
oh, that's a tough one, brother.
Yeah shit, I mean, I like shoes, so I'd grab shoes if I was
being vain at the moment.
But then if you caught me, likeon a wednesday, I probably
grabbed, like you know, myspiritual cards, my crystals and
tarot decks that I made myself.
But then if you caught me on aWednesday, I'd probably grab my
spiritual cards, my crystals andtarot decks that I made myself.
But then if you caught me on aFriday, I'd probably just grab
all my alcohol and call it a day.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Call it a day baby, All right.
What's the best thing aboutbeing your age?

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I don't have any kids .
That's the best thing right nowfor myself personally.
I got finances and I'm more intouch with who I am as a person,
so I'm more confident in mydaily walk and also interacting
with other people, but nothaving to take on their shit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I can tell Love that All right.
Who is someone you know you cantalk to about anything?
Andrew Awol.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, love you, man, you're the best dude.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Have you ever gotten lost?
Where were you and whathappened?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I got lost in Thailand.
My GPS stopped working becausemy self-service started working,
but I was about 45 minutesoutside of the city on a
motorcycle.
So I had to slowly ask peopleon my way back yo, I'm trying to
get to blah, blah, blah, youknow, and they'd be like go
there, and I'd go for like two,three miles and I'm going to ask
a little more, okay, what roadI got to take next.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Nice, nice, you found your way.
You made it here.
Are you afraid of the dark?
Be honest, hell.
No, I love it.
Yes, that always gets youpumped up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Ooh Wale Rick Ross, dream, no Dream.
Yeah, it's easy to dream thedream, but it's hard to live it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Ooh, love that, love that.
All right, if you are in a badmood, would you rather be left
alone or have someone try andcheer you up?
Both Love that, Love that.
What's your favorite movie line?
Favorite movie line that'sputting you on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
That is on the spot.
Hold on, I got to think aboutit.
Rabidfire, rabidfire, you canpass.
Say hello to my little friend.
Oh, there you go Say hello, allright.
If you could travel to space,would you go and where?
Where would it be?
Uh, no, I'm not travelinganytime soon to space.
No, ain't going call, call elontell him nah, yep, call you, I

(01:12:09):
need the fifth generation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I didn't get blown up on my way out there like you're
good all right name, a personalpossession that you'd never
sell, no matter how much moneyyou were offered my spirit oh,
love that, love that.
Okay, you find a magic lamp.
What's your first wish?
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
first wish to have everything I want, like that oh,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I got one more for you.
Are you ready?
I'm ready, I'm ready coconut orpineapple pineapple all day,
baby all day love that man.
Well, hey, you know what, dude,thank you so much for being here
and for for asking me thosequestions and for opening up and
being honest and getting someof these emotions out and and uh

(01:12:58):
, I really found this uhconversation extremely
productive.
And uh, let me ask you um ifyou could uh tell the listeners
you know one last thing, um,either about yourself or like
some uh a point of inspirationum to leave them with uh, what
would it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
be.
First of all, thank you verymuch for having me on the show.
I appreciate you, Thank you forrespecting my perspective and,
honestly, thank you for askingthe questions and thank you for
listening.
My inspiration would just be toeverybody look, I know you're
going through whatever it isthat you're going through, but
remember it's only temporary,just like waves in the water,

(01:13:39):
just like a plant growing, justlike anything that you've ever
experienced in your life.
So, no matter what it feelslike in this moment, just know
it's going to be OK.
Like you got the respectiveperspectives hotline, you got
other hotlines, like you gotfriends and if you don't reach
out and the universe will catchyou.
That's number one.
But outside of that man, gomake your money, have your

(01:14:01):
dreams.
You know what I'm saying.
Have the body work, work out.
You know what I'm saying.
But listen, but listen with anopen heart and listen with being
happy, and no matter what it is, they can have the exact
opposite perspective of you.
Just be happy, you're alive,they're alive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
We're talking what up .
Oh man, thank you so much, dude.
I really appreciate you beinghere and, uh, I'm super excited
to see what the future bringsfor um, for for us and uh, for
the world itself.
Uh, thank you everybody forlistening uh to another episode
of uh the respectingperspectives uh podcast, and
we'll see y'all Catch y'alllater, later, thank, you brother

(01:14:43):
.
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
That was fun bro.