The Pursuit of Artistic Identity With Neil Nines

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
that I actually have a deep, what is my like mc voice
?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
like there you go, hello everyone hello, I don't
think I've ever heard that thatwelcome to the wedding, sandra
and todd.
Oh, there you go is that gonnahave a good?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
time tonight, let's go love that um.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is that your?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
that's your wedding voice.
It's is probably over-sexifiedit just now, but more than I
would.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Sexified.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I don't know if I've ever heard that word before?
Dude, but you know what itmeans.
Oh for sure dude Sexified, Ilove words that aren't words,
and you know what they mean.
Yeah, have you ever?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
said something and you're like that's never been
said before ever in life, Like Iwas the first person to combine
those words together.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I don't know if I've said that, I don't know if I've
thought that, but I've thought,like I've thought about when I
use a word for the first time,how did I used to use it?
Like, is this the first time?
Like, how does that feel?
Yeah, how's this new word feel,yeah, how, yeah, I used to use
that.
Like is this the first time?
Like, how does that feel?
Yeah, how does this new wordfeel, yeah, I've been using
corny a lot lately and I don'tfeel like I used the word corny
before and I was wondering, like, what is I know the difference

(01:15):
between corny and cheesyintuitively and in music.
It's really important, right,it's?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
what, what is?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
that difference you're always like, and then I
was thinking it's hard to kindof explain.
But I guess yeah, it is hard.
I was thinking how do I explainthe difference between cheesy
and corny?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, it's cheese and corn.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I mean it's.
It can be kind of usedinterchangeably, of course.
Yeah, it's a different foodgroup.
Yeah, sometimes I would saylike cheesy it tends food group.
Yeah, I would say cheesy ittends to be.
Like the lyrics are kind ofcheesy or like something about a
melody might be cheesy, butcorny might be more about

(01:57):
someone's like style or brand orpersonality, like not as
musically related music.
I feel like, yeah, there's likecorny music too.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
But you know, when I think of corny music I think of
like cotton eye joe ah, right,yeah, yeah corny yeah, or like
the seventh inning stretch, butI think of some like yeah, like
some like cliche pop stuff asproud to be an american.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
that's corny yeah that's corny okay, what about
like um, like 50 cent?
I got the magic stick,something else.
Some that's something else.
Okay.
Okay, let me try and think ofsomething else.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's something else .

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay, okay, let me try and think of something else
that would be corny or cheesy,okay.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Let's see here.
I had to pick corny yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Corny for that one.
Yeah, well, actually.
So it's funny that you say that.
Yeah, the difference, becausemy last name is Cornwall.
Yeah, and so corny.
I've been that that word hasbeen used, uh, throughout my
whole life.
Um, so, uh, but but what it has.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
you know, I don't even think that, as I started
talking about corny, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right.
So it makes me think of youknow the difference, um, but
with cheesy.
I always thought that lovemusic was cheesy, right and then
the corny music was like cornydance yeah, that's just where my

(03:37):
uh, my head goes yeah with that, yeah.
And then when we're talkingabout cheesy, I thought about
when I was younger, with lovetracks.
I always thought I would neverwrite music that that would be
cheesy.
I kind of opened myself up intoa different box and I will

(04:11):
admit that some of my musicwould be categorized.
Some of my love tracks would becategorized as cheesy, you know
to others.
But I think it's like where isit coming from?
You know like where?
Where is the intention of thetrack?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, and just like with cooking, it's like I love
cheese.
It's like how much there you go, do you use, do you sprinkle it
on?
You know, you know, I look backat some of my tracks and, yeah,
like there's some, there's somecheesiness going on certain
certain areas, um, and yeah,like, as I think about where I'm

(04:45):
gravitating, like I am goingmore, less, I feel like to a
less cheese-free environment,but I I got, you got to respect
the cheese you got to.
The cheese is there, it's, it's,it's out there, it's just like
yeah, and corny too.
I mean, everyone's got theirthing, yeah, um, I don't.

(05:06):
I'm trying to remember why Istarted talking about this, but
let me do.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Let me do one thing.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, is this still like the pre-podcast?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
so welcome.
Respecting perspectives podcastcrew.
I have a special guest herewith me today.
He is a native of baltimore,the the burbs of baltimore, they
say the Burbs.
He is an artist, a pianoaficionado.

(05:53):
He has inspired me to delveinto a few different kinds of
music, especially house andelectronic, but he makes many
different types of music.
I have today with me Neil Nines.

(06:14):
Thank you, appreciate you.
Yeah, thanks for being here,man.
Hey, well, first off, what doyou think?
Is this set up?
Are you comfortable?
Are we good?
Is this is this?
Is this, is this how it shouldbe?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I feel good, okay, is there anywhere I should be
looking Like, or?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
just like at you, is there like, I guess, like the?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
cameras there.
Yeah, I would say like thesetwo angles.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you can look wherever the heck you want, dude
, yeah, yeah, yeah, and thecameras will look where they
want.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
So, uh, yeah, they'll find you, I love the camera
setup, I love what you guys uhhave been doing with this place
and thank you for introducing me.
I think the way you introducedme you chose piano aficionado
probably because of this uhplace and me playing piano right
over there, which for me, hasbeen a big deal, actually like a

(07:06):
really big deal.
Yeah, um, with everything I'vebeen going through lately in
terms of, yeah, who, who am I,you know, and I think that's
something the jack of all tradesthing has definitely been a
thing for me playing multipleinstruments, djing, producing

(07:26):
and I just keep building it allup you know, I can see, I can
tell man.
And lately I just hired a vocalcoach so started to sing on my
own tracks and perform and writeand just diving into a whole
new world.
But it's the world I came fromoriginally too.

(07:49):
I have a question for you withthat?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
What is your goal from this vocal?
Or do you even have a goal ofthe vocal coach itself and your
vocals themselves?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean definitely want to execute on my
tracks as good as possible,like getting the especially like
the pitch right, getting thebreathing right.
Really, the more you can nailit, the less you have to mess
with, like the melodining andthe auto-tune, I think the
better.
But more importantly I think inthat regard is being able to

(08:25):
confidently perform live andknow that I'm like nailing it,
you know each time, uh,consistently yeah, and it's it's
like any other thing, exceptyour body becomes the instrument
.
but if you're training itconsistently, I feel like that's
, why wouldn't you do that ifyou're trying to level up and

(08:46):
for me, I need to develop that Imean, you obviously have been
doing it for a while, so youknow what you need.
But yeah, I think it's foraccountability too, more than
anything in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I've noticed that with you recently, with some of
the sessions that we, that we'vehad, and just kind of noticing
your accountability and how, toyou know, stay on top of things
and how to to not just holdyourself accountable, but how
can you also, you know, hold thepeople around you accountable

(09:23):
as well?
You know, know it's animportant factor in our lives.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Do you feel like accountability is something that
maybe, like that, that isn'tworked on as much you know in
this day and age, or do youthink yeah, I think it depends,
Like when we're individualentrepreneurs and doing it
ourselves, there's no systems orstructures in place that force

(09:47):
accountability, like a, like aday job.
Um, however, there areobviously consequences, but if
you're trying to build and growand optimize, then, yeah, I
think it becomes importantbecause I know, or we know, that
we're.
Are we working our asses off?
Are we doing as much as we can?

(10:07):
I mean, if I have to look atmyself in the mirror, I have to
say, at times perhaps, butconsistently over the longterm,
I feel like there's so much moreroom for growth and I think
it's really helped with that ingetting things done consistently
.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
And let me, let me ask you how have you been able
to hold yourself accountablerecently?
What are some of the thingsthat you've been doing?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I have a group, I meet with two other producers.
Accountability, oh cool.
We set goals and we meet everyweek and we talk about our goals
and what we're struggling with,whether we hit them or not.
Um, music goals, productiongoals, administrative goals like
registering stuff, you know,and and sound exchange yeah,

(10:55):
just like little, those littlethings that you have to do or
should do.
Um, learning goals andmarketing goals.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
And trying to have at least something every week that
move all of those things, butsome weeks it might be art.
I really got to like focus onthe production.
Yeah, and it's been good we putmoney on the line.
Oh, really, okay, originally Ithink that's kind of like
falling off a little, but couldyou give me a detail, a little
bit dive into detail?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
give me a detail, a little bit dive into detail
about, about that a little bityeah, when I first like you
don't have to say like figuresthemselves, but like how is the
money?
Yeah, you know, you know howdoes the money help in in the
situation?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
yeah, I think.
Well, we agreed to amount, thatwe felt like, if we failed and
we had to pay it, it stings, butit's not like, yeah, a huge one
, you know, but it still stingsenough that, like you, if you
keep getting hit with it, you'rejust like all right, come on.
Yeah, I'm either not setting mygoal, like there's no love,
that expectation about how biggoals you set, but it's that you

(12:01):
set a clear goal that'smeasurable and did you hit it or
not?
You know, uh, huh, um, and somany of us, you know, struggle
with that like one thing we haveto do but like, for some reason
, it's just, yeah, feels sodaunting, it's out there.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Um, I would feel yeah , sorry to interrupt, but I feel
like my.
the thing that is like that forme is and I know it sounds small
, but the lyrics from from mytracks themselves, having the
lyrics and you know how, whenyou're in like Instagram or um,

(12:38):
you know Tik TOK or Facebook,when you're like posting a story
, and you can post the lyrics tothe to the song yeah, in a
story or a reel and the thelyrics are also timed to, where
you know when the person issaying that lyric it kind of
highlights well, you have totake that takes some special and

(13:03):
extra time to do that, and Ialways feel like that's
something that I have a hardtime staying accountable with.
So now that we're kind of eventalking about it, I'll make an
effort to do that myself.
So thanks for the reminder.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, myself.
So thanks for the reminder.
Yeah, and that also makes methink about like there's so many
like little tiny things that itgets overwhelming when, when
the list grows.
But then you have to askyourself like okay, what is the
one thing if I do all the otherstuff doesn't even matter ah,
that's a good point right and Ithink, yeah, I think that comes

(13:44):
down.
If you can make music, thatreally is something that really
makes a stamp and you can marketit, well then, yeah.
Obviously, those are the two,that's obviously.

(14:05):
That's.
Those are the two big things,and that's sounds simpler than
done.
Right but easy to say easy tosay, but sometimes I think, even
the music side we got to thinkwe got to spend way more time on
that.
Like not time, I think, I don'tknow, it's not the time.

(14:26):
Yeah, it's the likesoul-searching and so like when
you're in that session that thethe stuff that's coming out is
like the best stuff that cancome out yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So do me a favor and give me a little bit of a
background on the instruments orthe type of music that you have
made throughout your life,maybe kind of starting at, you
know, when you were younger andyou know I know you were in a
college band and whatnot.

(14:58):
Why don't you tell me a littlebit, yeah, and the people out
here tell them a little bitabout your history with, with,
with music itself?
Yeah, get comfy too.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know what I mean, yeah no, just as like a warm-up
sit, like getting my bearingswith the weights of the cushions
and how they redistribute and,like my jean, like crotch
situation which is still a workin progress.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It always will be dude.
It always will be okay.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, Okay.
So yeah, piano was first.
How old?
Were you, I was five, betweenthe age of five and 11.
My parents were immigrants fromthe Soviet Union.
My mom played piano.
For her that was like somethingI should pursue, okay, um,

(15:47):
classical piano, music theory.
I went to Peabody, uh,conservatory, for, like kids you
know, um, so we it was liketwice a week, uh, that I would
go there Very prestigious, let'sjust say that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
But it sounds prestigious, right went to p-bot
, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
So yeah, like nice little resume thing there and
obviously um, good to get for meat that young age.
Um, because I wasn't even thatinto it, to be honest, like I, I
liked it, but it wasn't.
So what happened was, you know,I became a pre-teen and like,

(16:28):
as we all do, yes and likepre-teen, like piano's kind of
nerdy and right, you know I'mtrying to be trying to elevate
my social status, getting intosome sports, you know, starting
to get an eye for the ladies.
But I remember picking up.

(16:48):
I'm like visualizing this now.
I remember I was in my cousin'sor aunt and uncle's apartment
in New York, in Manhattan, andthere were CDs, and there was an
Aerosmith CD, oh shoot, and Iheard Dream On for the first
time.
And so, yeah, how'd you feel?

(17:11):
Describe the feeling, like whatwere some of the emotions?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, take yourself, you know you've got to close
your eyes and dream on a littlebit you know, yeah, yeah, put
yourself in the time machineCause, like yourself in the, in
the time machine, getting in thezone here.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like this energy taking
over the body that a song couldbe so like epic and inspiring
and just take you somewhere thatyou've never been, you know,
and naturally um never been.
You know, and naturally um Iwas.
You know, I don't want to say11, 12.
Um, I also remember.

(17:53):
So that was like being exposedand and, and this will
definitely age me, but hey gotto embrace it.
I mean that that ninetiesgrunge um sound garden or Va

(18:14):
nirvana they were.
This was top 40, this was on mtv, music videos, the radio itself
, yeah, um, I remember uhneighbor buddy of mine.
He and his brother startedplaying guitar and uh, I played

(18:35):
for the first time.
He taught me power chords,which you know, you.
It's like a basic thing thatyou learn early on, but then,
like you can play so much rockjust from that, uh, at least
like hang are there anyparticular or could describe
that, if you don't mind, thepower chords themselves.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Um yeah, for anyone who doesn't understand kind of
what they are.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I mean when you hear that like like chugging guitar
in a rock song.
It's usually like a simplechord.
That's also like very full.
Okay, if that's a good way todescribe it it sounds full
because it has I'm gonna gettechnical, but like it's like
got, you know, an octave andit's like the bait, it's like

(19:21):
the deepest, bassiest part ofthe guitar.
Okay, it fills, yeah, and itfits with a lot of music because
it's simple.
It doesn't use the third or the, you know, it just uses the
fifth and the root note.
Okay, basically, gotcha, sothat makes it more open, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
If you will, thanks for describing that, continue.
You're talking about yourneighbors, the guitars, so power
chord.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
This is how you do it , and I learned glycerine by
Bush, oh my gosh yeah yeah, it'slike four, yeah, one, seven.
I would have to play it, butyeah.
So then I was like I remembergoing to summer camp, I think
also, and like my, my buddieshad a guitar and I was like

(20:14):
there was a guitar class, um,and I learned some chord,
regular chords, like open chords, uh-huh and um, and yeah, and
also I was thinking aboutplaying drums oh, dude, you were
, yeah, you were forming a wholeband yourself yeah, but, um, I
think it worked out for the best, like I I, because I told my

(20:36):
parents like I want to playdrums, like absolutely not, uh,
but guitar, fine.
So, okay, they bought me aguitar and yeah, and then, like
you could find chords and tabsonline, like either whether you
want to like just play thechords of the song and sing
along, or you want to like playthe lead guitar, like through
the tab sheet.

(20:57):
You know, um, and just startlearning songs, gotcha, gotcha
what was uh other than maybelike glycerine?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
were there any uh earlier songs that kind of
helped build?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
you know your fundamentals uh, of either
guitar or or piano, you know, orany other instrument itself I
will say that, like learning thepentatonic scale, learning the
like the basic guitar, blues,rock scale and lead guitar and
improvisation was a huge stepbecause I felt like, yeah, at my

(21:34):
prime, like I like I felt justreally good about that, you know
, and I think that would leadlater to being decent improv on
piano when I kind of likereturned back to it.
But songs that I played goshlike yeah, I will say more like

(21:57):
bands that later I was inspiredby, were like the Killers, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, what I was inspired by were like the
killers, okay, yeah, and likeyeah like the early 2000s.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I was like still into that, but I I just want to say
I kind of fell off like guitarplaying like um, I fell off in
scene.
I would say senior year of highschool, going into college any
particular reason and music felloff because at that point it's
like all of a sudden you have tolike pick a school and uh, or a

(22:31):
profession, or like a next step, you know.
So life, basically, yeah, likelife and like, at that time the
idea of music ever beinganything more than just a hobby
didn't exist yet, right.
Right Um other than like,wouldn't it be cool?
But like yeah like the like,the inception of the dream
didn't happen until later.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So you were still, you were still.
You still had that Aerosmith inyour head.
Man, that dream on.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
You know, dream on Right.
Uh, I went to HF Festival.
Okay, Like it was epic, it wasRed Hot Chili Peppers closed it
out.
They had just releasedCalifornication.
Oh, dude, there were bands likeLive Offspring.
That lineup was sick.

(23:18):
Yeah, like it was like and that.
And yeah, there was a radiostation called HFS.
Uh-huh and like yeah, and thenit all changed.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
That was iconic.
That festival was always veryyeah.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Once pop took over and then, like R&B, hip-hop took
over, yeah, rock, essentiallylike died from the mainstream.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
But, and why do you say?
Why do you say that?
Do you feel like maybe it died,um, you know, in your
perspective, or do you think itjust died over overall?
And if so, what?
What was the death of it?
Was there something else thatwas to come after it?

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, yeah, definitely.
I mean it is an evolution andcertainly on the mainstream
radio doesn't mean that theindustry itself didn't continue
to grow.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I like that.
That's a good point actually.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
And certainly the age of the emo rock bands and my
space, like that took over.
I am not particularly into like, like.
I feel like I like that likethe later millennial.
That's more, yeah, more grunge.
Okay, that's my thing.
But even though I like a lot ofthe songs and the music, but I

(24:42):
was never like a huge fan Iwould say the killers are like
the most millennial rock band.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Okay, like, yeah, what do you think the difference
?
What's the difference betweenemo and grunge?
Um, put you on the spot.
Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I mean like grunge is definitely like more.
The lyrics, I think, are waymore complex.
And yeah, grunge like people,those guys are coming from a
really dark place.
You know, a lot of them wereheroin addicts, a lot of them
died, yeah, um, yeah.
But there was just like thislike deeper, like soul thing, I

(25:24):
for me, whereas emo, yeah, itwas more pop, it's more like,
it's more, I agree, surfacelevel and it appeals to like, it
appealed to like young peoplelike but not I don't think it
had the like broad appeal thatlike a band like radiohead okay
or led zeppelin.

(25:46):
You know that like people stilllike listen to from all
generations.
Yeah, that there's aseriousness about the music.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Um, a solemnness.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, I could say yeah, right yeah, there's just
like an energy to.
I mean like, yeah, like a, likea song, but still like it's
still like there's somethingempowering about it too.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
So yeah, so what about?
I mean, I'm not sure if youwere going to get to this or not
, but you were in a college bandat some point.
I'm very interested to hearabout this.
How long did it last?
Um, you know how many peoplewere in it?
Give me some.
Give me some details on that.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
So it was, uh, it was college.
Um, yeah, I was.
I was in a fraternity housewhere there were there was
definitely a spirit ofindependent thinking and
interesting people and theythrew cool parties with bands.
It wasn't just basic stuff andthe house was beautiful.

(26:57):
This was at Cornell University.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think it was one of the most places and certainly a
very like, prestigious,well-known place to get an
education.
Um, and so it was great.
It was a great experience beingthere.
What was your focus of study?
Hotel administration, oh, shoot.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Okay, I went to their school for that.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah.
So, um, it was my sophomoreyear.
I believe yeah, soph believeyeah.
Sophomore year, it was the endof the school year.
It was like slope day, which isthe big party day oh, shoot,
okay, it's like the last day ofclasses and they have like big
acts come in too.
And kanye west came.

(27:40):
Well, this is like before hereally blew up.
Okay, he was like on the way up, yeah, but like he was before,
like graduation and stuff.
It's like right around that,yeah, so, like, so, like I had
never heard of him at that point, honestly, but like people that
knew hip-hop did.
But then obviously latereveryone knows, yeah, yeah, um.

(28:03):
So anyway, we were like thehouse was like right next to the
slope too and we had like ourown party.
That was like happeningthroughout the day before like
the headliner comes on outsideand wait.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
They call it the slope.
Is it like a hill?
It's a giant hill.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Okay, yeah, all right , and so like the students take
over the hill.
The bottom of the hill is likethe stage um, and back then it
was like byob and kind of likechaotic, and eventually the
universities all started gettingtougher and tougher on alcohol
yeah, um yeah but yeah, it'shazing and whatnot started to

(28:42):
become a yeah, yeah, for sure,um, so so yeah anyway um, I know
, right, you can get lost as youspeak about it, right?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
It makes you kind of reminisce about the times and
the things that you've, you'vebeen through, but um what?
What instrument did you?
Did you end up playing in theband itself?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
So anyway, yeah, I know, I went on a tangent, but
um, it was slope day, right?
Oh yeah, slope day.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Let's get back on the slopes, put your skis on.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I yeah, I was like jamming with some guys that were
really good at guitar.
There was a drummer in thehouse, Um, and we just started
jamming and we learned a couplerock songs, including Freebird,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I can just hear you right now like is there a
drummer in the house?
Excuse me, Is there a drummerin the house.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I believe in playing Freebird.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes, I believe in.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Freebird?
I think we all do I think wehave to embrace it.
So yeah, we learnedFreebirdbird.
I think I learned a sublimesong, okay I remember which,
what I got, possibly okay.
And there's one more.
It was like rolling stones,maybe jumping jack, flash, okay,
okay.
So it was those three songs and, like I prefer, I was singing

(30:02):
too, I sang and I played guitar,so it was.
There was bass player, but itwas two guitarists I sang and
played rhythm, and a drummer andI like gave it my all, like I
was like as you should, I wasrolling on the floor like
soloing, like I was possessed,you know what dude, sometimes

(30:22):
that's what it?
takes to play Freebird, I waspossessed and um and the the
crowd there.
It wasn't like a huge crowd,but like there was enough people
there.
It's like, yeah, it's slope dayand like they were like what
crazy it was.
Just like I'm like going backlike I was like, and then
afterwards like wait a second,like I, like I can do this.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I can do this right.
And then Kanye West shows up.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, no, he didn't show up.
I did see him play.
Oh, that's cool, especially atthat time too, right?
Snoop Dogg was my senior year.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Oh, so we're talking about like yeah, they had big
acts coming through Cornell knewwhat they were doingnell knew
what they

Speaker 1 (31:03):
were doing.
They had big acts and they have.
They have money for sure, yeah,um, but yeah, I mean, the
important thing is like, yeah,like I played in.
So then senior year, juniorsenior year, I played in rock
bands.
Okay, so you continue to play.
And then, yeah, and then senioryear is when we have like the
most consistent band.
We were called dripping wheel.
I mainly played guitar and sangand we had a bass player, a

(31:25):
drummer, um, and what did youjust play?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
it Did you play at house parties, did you play like
open mics?
Where?
Where were you?
You know, where'd you get someof your exposure during that,
that, that senior year?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
We played at some house parties and then there was
a, a place called the nines, bythe way, oh, a place called the
nines, by the way.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh nice, um yeah, so did that inspire your name at
all.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was like a yes in a way.
Okay, so let's go with yes yes,that's a short answer.
Um yeah, like it was good, likewe played a lot of classic rock
stuff, like fun, like partyclassic rock and people were
into it, like it was, it was agood time.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
There's some songs that I'm sure you know you grow
up with too, that you're likeman.
I like I would always love tobe able to play this track.
You know, and I'm sure therewere, you know, some songs like
that that kind of influenced you.
And then, I'm sure, once youlearn to play those tracks and
and are able to do it in frontof an audience and you get

(32:28):
particular reactions from them,that makes you feel like you, uh
, yeah, take me take me to thatafter that senior year and what
happened?
because you know, obviously you,either you know you either

(32:52):
graduate and move on, or or youknow you kind of you know you,
you know how.
There's those guys, there'sguys that kind of linger around
college for a few years yeah no,I didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, everyone like moved on.
I ended up getting a job firstin ireland, oh wow, and then in
california wait.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
What was your job in?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
ireland.
So I worked at a hotel, okay,all right, that was your major,
I was basically.
I was basically like it waslike a work, it was like a I
would call it like an internStudy abroad type thing.
Yeah, I mean actually.
Yeah, I got paid Like there was.
At the time I thought there waspotential for like a longer
term thing.
But I should have known better,because there's like an

(33:33):
expiration on the visa.
Okay, and like they have to,like really make a case for you.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
At the time, if they like, wanted to like, keep you
in the country, of course.
And that's I mean, that's evenstill a thing now yeah, yeah,
it's hard to work in europe asan american.
Yeah, um, which is why, yeah,I've been pursuing the dual
citizenship thing in romania,which which, yeah, I know that's

(33:59):
like a whole conversationpossibly yeah, um but I I guess,
yeah, to wrap up thepost-college experience, yeah,
like it was hotel industry jobs,I tried actually to get a band
going in California.
I had a buddy at Berkeley whowas a good guitar player.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Now were you talking about.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Berkeley, the school of music.
I was talking about Berkeley,california, gotcha.
Yes, you know.
There talking about Berkeley,california.
Gotcha, yeah, okay, you knowthere's also a Berkeley, okay,
yeah, so yeah, good clarifyingpoint.
So yeah, I lived in Sonoma,which was close to, uh, close
enough to Oakland or Berkeley,or yeah, I think the city is
also Berkeley, yes, I don't knowwhy my mind's going here, but

(34:41):
um uh, in ireland, what was yourrole in the hotel itself?
just curious.
So I started off as, like, anassistant manager, but they
quickly realized I didn't knowwhat I was doing.
I don't think, because, like atcornell, they teach you how to
be like a ceo but they don'tteach you how to like the small

(35:02):
stuff maybe it's like, youunderstand concepts and strategy
, but like how to use thoseconcepts and the everyday um.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think that's where more of uh experience yeah comes
from right.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
It's just that hand, I didn't have that hands-on
gotcha like food and beverageexperience, like restaurants and
stuff um, and I will say,though, the best thing I learned
at cornell was we had culinaryclasses mandatory oh cool, yeah,
dig a little so I learned howto cook at university.
Oh, cool and um, it's sincebeen like a lifelong I didn't

(35:37):
know that passion and I was.
I don't want to say passion,but I want to say like, like,
yeah, I would say passion, it'sa thing that I it's like
everyday thing, you know, likewhat's your favorite meal to
cook, like like.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
if you were to cook the crew here a meal and you
know we wouldn't have any say inwhat it would be, what would
you cook?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, probably do like a Mediterranean vibe, vibe
like greek kind of greek italianspread.
I think I would do somethinglike that.
You know, maybe some, yeah,mediterranean all around.
Yeah, maybe some like middleeastern flair um, I would go
there, yeah, I yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
All different kind of eclectic flavors and gosh, I
mean I'm sure we could talkabout that forever.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
No, I feel like, yeah , it's typically like what I
make consistently and I feellike I'm pretty good at that
region of food.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So then, why don't you tell me a little bit uh,
let's, let's go a little, we'regoing chronological here, okay,
so yeah, give me a little bitwith what uh happened after
maybe the, uh, the study abroadand then uh, yeah, so yeah,
after work abroad in ireland.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, I took my guitar and like a little tiny
like amp, so I wasn't reallydoing much there with music.
Wait, you brought your guitar,though, with you.
I just brought my electricguitar, yeah.
Oh cool, like thinking it couldbe a thing you know, yeah, um
well, that's a big commitment tobring a guitar with you, you
know abroad.
You say that yeah.
So, um, but it did open my,opened my eyes to like europe

(37:22):
and life.
I mean ireland's its own littlething, but, yeah, certainly
like different right.
Yeah, uh, in a lot of ways.
Um, at that time ireland wasvery global too.
Ireland was booming, so peoplefrom all over europe were there
gotcha um, so it's cool to be.
I was the only american workingat that hotel and just met a

(37:43):
lot of cool people from spain,poland, hungary, um, all over,
yeah, so, uh, it was a good time, yeah, and I'm sure maybe what
being the only american as wellwas uh, maybe a challenge as
well.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
What?
What about uh?
Like any language, uh barriersitself or?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
no barriers.
I mean they have their ownslang, which?
Is like was kind of fun tolearn and figure out.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
But yeah, no language issues in ireland gotcha, yeah
so let's see here, um gosh, youknow to, to go from there.
Um, you know, I know we weretalking about earlier kind of uh
, let's see here having like aflow, state, state, let's kind
of shift, let's shift gears alittle bit, you know, and with

(38:32):
not just passions, with you knowmusic and whatnot.
But I know you said that youused to surf and stuff and
possibly even still do Tell meand stuff, and possibly even
still do tell me, you know, howdid you know the love of those
things kind of, um, you knowintertwine with your music and
maybe kind of like you knowsidetrack to like life itself

(38:55):
and maybe some of the lessonsthat you kind of had to learn,
you know, alongside, uh, youknow, not just learning the
music itself but kind of lifeitself.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, I think and this is the thing that, as far
as music production goes, that Istruggled with for the longest
time, still do to some degree,but I think I overcame the
initial challenge, um locks thatkept me from doing anything

(39:27):
more than just dabbling in astudio.
Um, and yeah, I think that camefrom.
Yeah, life like, like and yeah,I know we switch gears but,
like you know, fast forward lifetakes over.
Music is nothing more than ahobby.
Um, at one point I did and Ithink this important because I

(39:48):
think this all ties it togetherI tried being a saint.
I moved back here.
I had my life in californiafell apart in the span of like a
weekend.
Like busted.
My shoulder snowboardinggirlfriend broke up with me who
I was living with, okay and um,and got laid off oh, dude, the

(40:09):
trifecta, trifecta, the threegosh the three things.
But it was a sign.
All right, like I'm at arestart I'm gone.
So I moved back home tobaltimore, started over um, but
yeah, like since I've been backhere, in the beginning I was
actually trying to make it aslike a singer, songwriter, but
my vocals like just didn't havethe chops.

(40:31):
It was like different.
I wasn't dedicating to the artform, like looking back, I was
just showing up and thinking Icould pull that off.
Yeah, like behind a band Ithink I was able to, but like,
just like purely off the caliberof my voice.
So that was like a big failurebecause at that point, like the

(40:52):
dream was kind of dead okay howlong ago was this?
well, you know this was likethis was like over 10 years ago
now, but then eventually it kindof got me on this electronic
music path.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah yeah, dig into that a little bit, because that
is kind of how I learned aboutyou and kind of seeing your name
in the electronic DJ scene inBaltimore and I knew you were
doing shows all over the place.
I do remember seeing your name.

(41:24):
Yeah, all over the place.
And I know you were probablydoing weddings and stuff like
that just to probably bring youknow some some money in and
whatnot.
But uh, yeah, dig a little bitinto like that transition of how
you then became um more of anelectronic uh producer, producer

(41:44):
, engineer itself yeah, so I didalso like.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
one thing that happened in the 2000s was I I
like fell in love withelectronic music, like old
school tiesto, um that like oldschool trans.
There's something epic about it.
I had some incredibleexperiences, uh, as a young lad,
like in clubs in new york andum the hamptons, and like my

(42:14):
cousin like would take me theseplaces, and it opened, blew my
mind, opened my eyes to thiswhole new thing.
And this was before edm reallyblew up and became commercial as
we know it today.
Yeah, so yeah, I starteddabbling.
Also, I had a buddy, craig, whosadly passed away a couple

(42:37):
years ago.
Sorry to hear that, yeah, andhe's a big part of this story
too, and I was thinking abouthim a lot the other day.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Do me a favor, look up.
Yeah, say hi to Craig.
There's a camera up there.
You see that one right there.
Yeah, say hi to craig.
There's a camera up there.
You see that one right therewhat's up?
Craig what's saying hi yeahyeah, yeah, it's important to
think about things like that,though I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that you had to gothrough that, but, um, you know
what?
Uh, what did you maybe learnfrom from that?
Or yeah, we were.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
We started dabbling in like music stuff, like beat
making.
He was really into gear and um,kind of like pushing me a lot
like was he older than you nosame age.
We were friends from high school, gotcha, um, so, yeah, um, we

(43:25):
were.
He like pushed me to get intoAbleton, okay, um, which is a
program, which is the programthat I use now and I love.
You know there's there's othersthat people love Um, but yeah,
he was really influential earlyon in like getting me involved
with music production and he wasa dj like.

(43:47):
He was used to dj like back inthe like early 2000s.
1722 oh, legendary, yeah, likeafter hours club in baltimore
and in the heyday, oh, yeah, um,iconic, so yeah what did he
have?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
what was his dj name?
Do you do you know craig james?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
okay, which is a good , good like house, yeah, for
sure absolutely, um, so yeah,anyway.
Um, I know we were talkingabout, yeah, the path towards
that, so it started for me inproduction, but it was dabbling,
a lot of dabbling, and I kepttrying to like do different

(44:27):
things with it.
I had all these good ideas, butI never took them beyond like a
basic loop or like musical idea.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So most of your ideas kind of started, though, like
on the MIDI, like on like akeyboard itself or like, um, let
me, let me think about how.
I want to ask you this questionuh, was there any live
instrumentation that youincorporated, like guitar or or

(44:59):
piano, in the very beginning, orwas it mostly like, um, you
know kind of, uh, let's see your, I guess, a midi setup where
you know you're just kind ofdirecting samples and whatnot.
In the beginning it wasactually more live.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Okay, which is interesting, because now I'm
kind of coming back to that yeah, we'll definitely get to that
for sure, because I want to talkto you about that, but I think
that resulted in some stuckness.
Stuckness, yeah, a lot ofstuckness, stickiness, yeah, a
lot of like reasons why I can'tmove forward, and it's like oh,

(45:33):
I don't have this, like mic orcompressor, preamp or listen,
you know what wait let'sknowledge of mixing let's tell
the people like, listen, ifyou're stuck, don't get sticky.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
All right, there's going to be something that's
going to try and hold you back.
There's going to be somethingthat's going to try and keep you
where you're at.
But I think Neil is making agreat point here.
Don't let anything small likethat, whether it's a piece of

(46:05):
equipment or an instrumentitself, don't let that hold you
back.
Yeah, continue for sure.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
And and um, have you ever read the war of art by
steven pressfield?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
yes, actually he talks about the resistance.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
So it's that right, it's, the resistance is reasons
why we can't move forward.
And so you asked about the flowstate.
I just hadn't really got there.
I hadn't got to that pointwhere I was ever in it.
It just felt like this thing Ineeded to do, but couldn't you
could see it in the distance,yeah.
I couldn't pull it throughuntil I later decided I was

(46:44):
going to really go for it fulltime.
And this was after I decided tolearn how to DJ, going gung-ho,
and started getting gigs fromDJing so yeah, and and one thing
you and I have talked about hisaccountability yeah, and this
is when I started working with aproducer friend, heath Allen,
and you'll see many of my earlytracks he is on and involved in

(47:08):
Okay, and he built this reallynice studio at his apartment and
I was going there during COVIDLike he was like my COVID friend
.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
This is in Baltimore.
Yeah, this is in Baltimore,gotcha.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, and we were working on music.
Okay, you know, and he didn'thave a ton of production
experience, but he had a lot ofexperience as a dj and
understood edm, understoodfestivals you know way more than
I did.
So, um, it was great in termsof, like, having somewhere to go
consistently and having someoneelse to do it with.

(47:45):
You know, I think one thingthat's challenging is doing it
alone, and when you can bringpeople in too.
Yeah, there's this newcollaboration flow state also,
for sure Happens, but, yeah, Ifound myself getting to the
point where I could really getin the zone for several hours at

(48:09):
a time, yeah, and just just bedialed in.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Focus, stay focused, and uh, yeah, really kind of, um
, you know, get uh in in themoment I guess, uh, you know,
with, with the music makingitself and so so.
So tell me a little bit more.
Uh, you said Heath Allen washis name.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Maybe what were some of the things that you learned
from him at the time.
If you could dig a little bitthat helped you then kind of
develop the DJ and engineeringand production side that you
have now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I mean, he helped us get some like good vocals early,
which is important, obviously.
And yeah, just like gettingover the hump for a few tracks
and having someone to do it with.
Yeah, and we went through a lotof growing pains in being on
the same page and also inworking with mix engineers, and

(49:14):
that was we talk about stucknessand things that get in the way.
Well, yeah, it's like oh, thisidea of mixing and mastering is
daunting.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I know right.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Or it's expensive, or you send it off to someone and
then they send you somethingback and like you're not
satisfied.
And then send it off to someoneand then they send you
something back and like you'renot satisfied, and then there's
like back and forth, and yeah,there was a lot of that too and
I started to ask myself like Ithink I have to like learn
mixing.
I gotta learn how to mix, Igotta learn how to master even

(49:43):
if it's not like perfect, likecan I get it good enough?
so I I got out of that idea ofbeing precious about everything.
Oh, I like that, got me gets,got me so stuck early and often
was that, yeah, that feeling ofperfection, that feeling of like
oh, let's redo this.
Well, this is better, you know,um, yeah, so fast forward to

(50:05):
like recently and today, and themost flow that I think I've
been in in a certain way is thethree-day challenge.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
The three-day songwriting production.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Start-to-finish challenge oh shoot, okay, which
changed everything, honestly.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Really so.
Tell me a little more aboutthis.
I'm intrigued, really, so tellme a little more about this.
I'm intrigued, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
So I have this accountability group, which is
good because Solo, it just helpsme.
Where are these other guys from?
They're from New York and LA,so one of them lives in New York
, one in LA, and how did youfind them?
So we met through the HyperbitsAcademy alumni alumni group.

(50:54):
Okay, and what is hyper bits?
Hyper bits is an online musicproduction school, okay, um, so
it was like the second program Ilike signed up for hyper, hyper
bits.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, okay, he's also an artist.
Oh cool, okay, yeah, I'll do.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I'll do a little, he also helped me uh get signed to
my first label.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
So and who was that?
Who's the label?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
uh, as you are.
Oh cool, instead of new york.
So I had a track calledwhispers this past year.
Oh cool, excuse me, get signedyeah nice.
Yeah, that's always a goalright of of uh, anybody
definitely, definitely, yeah,definitely when, when you yeah,
you get some validation thatsomeone else likes your music.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
It's not like just you yeah, it's really, and it's
not just your friends, they likeyour music um, tell me, tell me
, let's go back to the three-dayum challenge.
Yeah, I'd love, I'd like, tohear a little bit on like maybe
like break each day down andkind of you know what you were
able to learn and take from thatand and why you know it was

(51:56):
monumental in in your uh careeryeah, I was, I think, when I
first got here, when I mentionedlike prince, like finishing a
song in a day, um, and actuallyHyperbits the school, like that
was like.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
The first thing he says is like this idea that you
can make a track in eight hours.
You know that, even one day,you know.
And he was faced with deadlinesand professional producers,
sometimes that work for labels,sometimes they got to just like
pump stuff out.
So, yeah, this idea that it waspossible to do it in one day

(52:30):
has always been on my mind.
I love that.
So I was talking to the guys andand like we ended up with three
days is like okay, three daysyou can like still kind of live
your life.
Like obviously you want tocarve some time out more than
you normally would, but like youdon't have to like completely
abandon all otherresponsibilities, yeah, yeah, we

(52:53):
have to also think about, likeyou know, like having a job or a
family or you know all theseother things so yeah have to be
realistic about the goalsthemselves too yeah, so you know
we had these three days.
Yeah, we all had like more orless some stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I had like a gig one of the days, but it wasn't like
three gig days, right did youget to pick the three days, or
did it kind of just like come upyou know out of nowhere like
okay, hey, today is thethree-day challenge oh, we know,
we, we like talked about it andagreed on this was this would

(53:29):
work for all of us, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
So so, yeah, we.
and what's great is like JJ, oneof the guys like he's so like
he works for meta, like on thead side for Facebook and stuff
like really smart dude and likespreadsheets and like plans and
like numbers, projections, yeahhe was doing all that and and um

(53:54):
, yeah, it was cool because he'she's very good about like, and
that's why it's good to havethese people that you set goals
with that can challenge yourgoals and ask questions he's
just very good about all of thatand they're, I feel like
something that's super helpfulwith that is the fact that they
are in a whole differentuniverse themselves.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
So, you know, maybe they have a different point of
focus throughout the challengeitself.
Or, you know, maybe they wantto see something different in
themselves throughout thatchallenge.
So, in turn, it helps thembring that out of you.
You know as well and, like youwere talking, you know he has

(54:37):
just back to JJ, you know, withlike spreadsheets and whatnot.
You know it probably gave him adifferent mindset of how.
You know, you know how toachieve these goals and in it,
you know, in order to be able toachieve those goals, you know,
you know doing it in a differentway and then you're kind of

(54:57):
bringing you in and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean that's why yeah, it'sgood to have people that and I
think it's like I remember whenI worked in corporate, like you
set goals formally and there's aprocess and there's learning
around how to set good goals andthere's really a lot of focus
on on goal setting andperformance and how to get the
most out of people and um, butthen it's like, yeah, looking at

(55:21):
yourself, how do I get the mostout of myself?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
And that's a great point dude I.
I sorry to interrupt you withthat because this is really
important and something I wantto dig on at some point in a
different episode yards, youknow.
Think about, like if it was athousand yards, you know, like
how many goals or how many youknow field goals, slash

(55:53):
touchdowns, uh would be scored.
It would probably be one of thelowest scoring games ever.
So you really do have to.
You know how.
You know how much time anddedication is going to go into
you realizing that it needs tobe a hundred, a hundred yards,
you know, I think it's reallyimportant and I love that you
mentioned that.

(56:13):
I'm going to really put sometime in it and thought and
attention into that.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
So the biggest thing I got out of the, from a goal
setting standpoint, from thisthree day challenge, it changed
my big goal, it changed the, thedivision for every, every, for
the music and for my life likein a lot of ways, like and when
I say change, a lot of thingsjust kind of shifted.
But yeah, it made me realizethat a I could do this like and

(56:44):
like really good stuff comes outwhen you like force that to
happen, cause you get that deepwork and like a deep sense of um
connection to the track, likelike when you work on a track
here and there, an hour here andthere, it's like, it's like
you're not building that bond.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, there's a touch .

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, yeah, so so, yeah, anyway, um, yeah, it,
there's a touch.
Yeah, yeah, so so, yeah, anyway, um, yeah, it changed how I saw
the vision for my music, thesound and like the whole thing,
because it forced me to writeand sing and perform and like
believe in myself in all ofthose areas again.

(57:27):
But now, with the newfoundproduction, knowledge and
prowess, um, and the help of,like all the learning and all
the coaches, like I feel like my, my skills are like getting to
the point where I'm really likefeeling strongly about that.
But now to bring in this likenew vision for the music, that

(57:48):
it's no longer me as this DJproducer model in the EDM
industry, as this, like now it'sthis hybrid electronic rock
artist that's in its own thing.
Yeah, you know, kind of like.
Yeah, like Nine Inch Nails wasLike even like Radiohead or even

(58:14):
like so we'll see Like I couldsee a band forming from it, this
new thing.
But at the same time, right now, I want to cultivate everything
creatively and give it space togrow and not force it.
Oh, yeah, love that.

(58:35):
So I'm wrapping up my Berlinalbum, which has taken, of
course, a lot longer than Ithought it would.
Sometimes it does.
But it just like you know, itgoes through iterations and I'm
trying to tell a story and now Ifeel like I'm in the best
position to tell that story andto go from like pure, like house

(58:57):
music, techno, you know, edm,artist, and then fuse it with
the new rock, electronic stuffand build that bridge through
the album, through the ep, andit's, it's happening.
So each like song has both alike four to the floor beat,

(59:18):
electronic groove part, you know, house track or techno track,
but also has this like interludethat's either rock or cinematic
or orchestral.
I have a viola player.
Oh cool, yeah, so it's.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah, a bunch of different accompaniment.
I guess you could say with that.
Let me ask you the the threeday challenge Was there a
specific track that that cameout of, that that maybe people
can possibly uh, listen to, orso what's?

Speaker 1 (59:53):
what's interesting is is, yeah, the I really thought
I was gonna start to finish andrelease a track, okay, but the
track ended up being sodifferent and unique and got me
thinking in this new way that Iand I have this other music that
I'm excited to release, that'sbeen done and feel like

(01:00:16):
progresses me as an artist,shows the progression.
And this track then comes alongafter the Berlin project Gotcha
.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I really feel like it has to fit there yeah, gotcha,
do you have a specific uh timeperiod?
Uh, when you feel like thisberlin um album slash, um, uh,
let's see, here project is goingto be coming out or uh is.
Is it kind of still in theworks, or how you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
know I told myself, like absolute cutoff is end of
the year, like I can't touch it,I can't touch it in 2025.
Okay, so, whatever state it'sin um in the next month, month
and a half, like it's gotta goout.
Yeah, so you're setting goalslike kind of yeah, it just has
to, because I've really I wantthe new year to be about, yeah,

(01:01:08):
about me as this hybrid vocalguitar, piano, electronic artist
you know, Making like just realshit you know, yeah, for sure,
dude, like real music, that gotme excited.
Yeah, you know, and I feel like, yeah, I, I all the, all the

(01:01:35):
stuff I've been making has beengood, but like this is now like
it feels right, like insidegreatness man, yeah like from
the soul like it feels right andand I needed to go through all
of that development.
You know all of those trials andtribulations and uncertainties,
and obviously there's stillplenty of that.

(01:01:57):
But, um, to kind of find thatnew, I don't know it's like a
new set of like.
I've been playing video gamesagain.
I like didn't, I didn't playthem for a long time yeah.
And like how far they like thatfeeling of adventure and like
you get this new plate of armor,you get this new like level up,

(01:02:19):
like maybe you've been throughlike a tough boss and kind of
beat up, right, you're kind oflike, but then things are
hanging off of you, you know,and then it's like oh, you get
like to the new thing, and theneverything gets like put on and
you get all the like new shit,yeah, like all right, refreshed,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So that's how I see yourself, you know, maybe moving
in the future and kind ofbuilding in a different location
, or is Baltimore, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
or is you know?
Are you set in stone to besomething here?
Yeah, so this is a tough onefor me because I would like to
see myself somewhere else.
I do have family and my momthat I have some responsibility
for.
She's much older, helping herout with a lot of things like

(01:03:30):
physically, yeah, um, so thereis that, but there's other help
too.
So, you know, and there's my djcareer here, kind of holding me
here.
At the same time, I've beenmaking inroads and exploring
Europe, as a possible secondhome at least, and I think where

(01:03:51):
I can land is seasonal, atleast for now, where I'd like to
, can I, can I get a seasonallocation where I can, yeah,
start to build, plant some seedsand build somewhere else as
well, but maintain perhaps peakseason here for my business as a
dj?
Um, and make sure, yeah, likeI'm not completely like

(01:04:13):
abandoning, you know, yeah, uh,family um, any particular city
uh in in the united states.
Uh, you know that you could kindof foresee yourself, maybe like
one or two or I I only went tonashville once, but there was
something about nashville, um,hanging out with songwriters and

(01:04:35):
, and you know you, you couldrent a house with other
songwriters.
It's like affordable, like it'spretty, like it's way more
chill than like la or new york,and it's yeah, it's like more,
it seems like that.
Or New York, and it's yeah,it's like more.
It seems like that city is morereally about the music and you
know there's still plenty oflike ego stuff and obviously

(01:04:56):
country is like king there.
But yeah, there's somethingabout that place that, um, I'm
very interested to explore more.
Yeah, I at least like just theidea of just being around people
that are songwriters and andtalent like that, um, there

(01:05:19):
seems good for me, seems fit.
Yeah, and it's not like, it'snot like incredibly far like LA,
um, but New York, too, like isright within an earshot.
So for sure and I do have familyconnections there and um one of
my like friends and advisor,kind of someone I confide in a

(01:05:41):
lot who's in the film industry.
You know he's been helping methink about this too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
And strategizing, yeah, new york it's cool that
you have someone else to kind of, you know, bounce ideas off
with and uh you know use as ahelpful reminder as to you know,
to, to, to do these things andkind of, you know, help you, you
know, stay at the forefront ofgrowth and change.
So that's pretty cool that youhave that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
And I think, now that I'm going in a more rock
direction, new York now makesway more sense.
So when do you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
decide, you know, when do you decide that that is
your the next, you know, I mean,just with what we were talking
about earlier, you know, makingsure that we're, you know,
accountable and kind earlier.
You know, making sure thatwe're, you know, accountable and
kind of you know, finally,actually deciding like this is
what is best for me, you know,is there a particular timeline

(01:06:40):
that occurs that helps youunderstand?
Like, okay, now is the time tomove, and I think this is good
for our viewers too, to kind ofhelp them think about maybe some
of the, some of the things thatthey are kind of teetering in
between.
You know, do they go?
It's, it's almost like a forkin the road, right?
It's like do you go left, do yougo right or do you even kind of

(01:07:03):
you take the the?

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
the road less traveled, yeah, so one piece of
advice I got was along the linesto just go all in on the new
thing.
Yeah, one thing I've been likeyeah, in my mind and I feel like
this has been something.
How do I like be all things youknow, and I think that can be
like how do I?
I'm still neil nines, but I'mthinking about this new brand
Like that's tough Cause.
I feel I really want, I reallywant a musical identity that's

(01:07:36):
sounds more like a band name,that isn't like a dj, a person,
a producer, um, who's like solemusical focus perhaps is now
this new thing.
Yeah, right that's how I wouldoops, sorry about that before

(01:07:57):
mike's dead, or mike r anyway.
Um, yeah, so it was cool.
Actually, the way I justdescribed that, uh was probably
the best way I've ever describedthat, like how I envision that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
So that's helped me think through that.
So thank you, it's good to,it's good to think about that
helping me think through noproblems of things.
You know we we've had so manygood conversations about um,
about this kind of stuff yeahabout life and uh, I mean I, I
met uh ne, I'd say maybeactually we were a part of a

(01:08:31):
community online called theIndie Music Academy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And what's the gentleman who Ryan, yes, ryan,
holiday yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Sorry if I got your name.
I know it's Ryan.
I know it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Ryan, I would like to actually, I'll probably include
a link in the description soyou can check his.
So, in searching for acommunity itself to be a part of
and to try and hold usaccountable to all these
different things, we foundsomething called the Indie Music
Academy and, yeah, ryan's doinga lot for independent artists

(01:09:12):
and helping them understand howto really blossom into the
artists that they are today.
And we were a part of thatcommunity at first and I saw his
name and Neil's name and I'mlike man, that looks familiar.
And then we went to a, um, acommunity uh building workshop

(01:09:35):
at a lineup room studios whichwas held by uh MC bravado and uh
Brandon Lackey, there onSaratoga street and uh, yeah, I,
I remember you know heintroduced him to me and I'm
like, wait a second.
Uh, you know, we were a part ofthe same uh community, right,
and uh, there was you knowthat's small to more uh for you

(01:09:57):
and uh, I do remember kind oflike, you know, meeting you
there and then kind of doing alittle bit of research on you
and remember seeing your name,you know, as far as shows go,
and you were doing weddings andthings like that, and then I
started digging into some ofyour music and, yeah, man, let

(01:10:18):
me tell you it was very well puttogether and you are
consistently releasing music anduh, that got me into, uh, you
know, working with you and soyou know we have a few tracks in
the work works now and uh, Icould foresee us, you know,

(01:10:40):
working on stuff.
Uh, for, for the prolongedfuture.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah, I think, working with you on the track.
It was interesting because atthat time I was, I think,
struggling with this idea thatand you hear this advice a lot
in house music or dance music isreally to be in a certain niche
and really go all in on that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
And it makes sense actually why?
So I think it is good advicefor most producers, but I think
for me it just never really fitenough because, yeah, each song
I just wanted to like build offitself and, yeah, the song to
write itself, not my vision oflike what it, what it needed to

(01:11:28):
be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yeah, you don't want to put yourself in a box, right?
So so, finding a niche is is, isis a challenge, right?
Because if you're ever evolvingand always growing, you know
how do you, you know, getcomfortable in one particular
spot when you know that there'splaces you know around that

(01:11:52):
particular spot that are alsopossibly going to be comfortable
, or even more comfortable thanthe spot that you're in?
So, yeah, you know, findingthat niche itself, you know

(01:12:12):
itself, uh, you know were youable to do that, or do you feel
like you are still kind of youknow um, you're molding that
itself?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
I think this is where the new vision for like the
hybrid electronic music, likerock artist, I think moby is a
good.
Oh yeah, moby is a goodarchetype in a way.
Um, not that it's gonna likesound like him, but yeah, the
way that he like fused it alltogether, yeah, um, the
different pieces to create likea sonic.

(01:12:38):
You know scope as an individualartist, but it's still kind of
in this electronic camp in a wayyeah, I love the way you put
that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Um, what about like somebody?
Like the gorillas kind of,maybe too?

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
right, yeah, even even like Lincoln park to some
degree, like they're like morelike more squarely band.
But nine inch nails, certainly,yeah, yeah, I think like so
that that outside of thetraditional, again like EDM, usb
stick, dj, I just felt it was ablessing to skies that I

(01:13:18):
started to be like I don't knowif I'm really.
I started not believing myselfthat I was going to make it in
this industry anymore and then Iwas like well, of course not,
cuz like I'm not, I'm not asall-in as like I am on this of
course so it was a hugeawakening and it was just so

(01:13:41):
many blessings, you know, to getme to that point yeah.
I think, being in Berlin lastyear, coming back like
everything started to change, Ithink, from being there to
coming back, um, how so thatwould like form inside or
mentally getting cold out there,huh I knew right, that's why

(01:14:01):
I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
would it be?
Would it be more mentally?
Uh, the change is occurringlike inside, or like, um, you
know what about?
Like physically too, you know,I mean, um, give me a little bit
of like, how, you know you can,let's see here, um, you know
you can, shape yourself around,change um itself, and you know,

(01:14:26):
I know it's probably, it's, it'sa little bit scary.
Uh, you know we're, we'recreatures of habit too, right?
So any type of change is, is isa challenge, um, but um, how do
you foresee yourself, uh, youknow, um tackling that challenge
itself?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Yeah, I think, I think I'm at a uh, it sounds
like you are too from.
You know we're at a pivotalcrossroads and wanting a bigger
change For me.
I want a bigger change in, likemy operating system, like how I
go about the day, yeah, andeven like we've talked a lot

(01:15:05):
about health and wellnesspreviously and I know that was a
topic to bring up today I think, yeah, like how do I be the
best version of myself that canexecute on this new vision?
The best and this new vision isan opportunity to remake other
parts of my life.
Not that I like health andwellness haven't been important

(01:15:25):
to me and I haven't haven't likeI, you know, exercise, I sleep,
you know I try to prioritizesleep Um 80, 20,.
My diet tends to be good, but,like now, it's like next level.
You know I want the next levelof that Um, and and now is the
opportune time for that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah.
I love that man it's cool tohear and to see.
And on this show I try and focuson self-awareness and the
trajectory that we're going inand not just kind of taking the

(01:16:07):
bow and arrow and just shootingit anywhere.
But you know we're we're tryingto aim in a particular
direction that we, that we knowthat, uh, you know we should be
going or that we're destined togo in.
You know, and, uh, I candefinitely see you know you all
the things that you talked aboutwith you know, from the

(01:16:28):
accountability to the flow stateitself.
You know, to the growth and the.
You know the understanding ofall the different instruments,
the instrumentation that you'vetaken under your wing.
You know it's really cool to beable to see, you know, know
other artists who are reallyfocused on the future and it

(01:16:52):
seems like you're always kind ofthinking about the, the next
step.
Yeah, you know, you're alwaysthinking about where you're
going to be in the future andhow you're also gonna kind of
gonna fit into that as well umyeah, you know, do you foresee
any?
um, let's see here, are youscared at all of of the future

(01:17:15):
and and and and what it holds?
And not just like in a worldlymanner?
Because I I kind of like how wejust this conversation really
focused on the bubble, thisbubble that that you're in,
because we're all in our ownbubble, you know, and we don't
really get to.
You know, I mean we canvisually on, like social media,

(01:17:35):
see what other people's bubbleslike, but to really get to, like
hear what's inside your bubble,is really cool, you know, and I
think it's really informationaland educational for other
people.
But do you foresee anychallenges or are you scared at
all for what the future holdsitself?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I wouldn't say I'm scared.
It's like I think AI and asobviously music stuff it has
potential, I think that evenlends itself more to the need to
really go deeper as an artistand make authentic, like good

(01:18:17):
ass music.
Yes, um, because they, I thinkai is more likely to get okay
and good at making basic shit.
You know, and I agree I don'tsee it going much deeper, um,
but either way, I think peoplewant to identify with the human
artist and so from that front,you know, I think about like

(01:18:38):
something to be afraid of.
I, I don't know, I remain.
You know things could alwaysget weird again, they're more
likely to get weird.
You know weird stuff is goingto happen, but we all seem to
just kind of like carry on.
So what can we do you?

(01:18:58):
know, other than be.
You know, I think about thislike is it more, is it better to
be like ignorant and happy?
You know, to some degree there,you know I think about this
like is it more?
Is it better to be likeignorant and happy?
You know, to some degree there.
You know, um, I love that.
With regards to like yeah,certain things out of our
control ignorant and happy, asopposed to well, yeah, I don't,

(01:19:23):
I don't know that I'm not sayinglike better to be ignorant and
happy versus like caring aboutall things and taking on the
burdens of all of civilizationOn your shoulders, on your own
shoulders.
Yeah, knowing like.
Yeah, like the world, themessed up stuff is going on, and

(01:19:46):
what do we know?
Yeah, the world, the messed upstuff is going on, and what do
we know?
You know who you know.
There's different sides todifferent stories and, um, so,
from all that perspective, I, Ithink I'm pretty Zen like or
Buddhist like, in a way that,yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't
burden myself too much, eventhough I try to remain someone

(01:20:12):
who's knowledgeable aboutperspectives and events and
things like that, at least majorstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Are there any?
Let's see here.
Are there any like podcasts orartists that we should maybe
listen to, or artists that weshould maybe kind of look out
for in the future?
And even, you know, is thereanything other than the Berlin

(01:20:43):
Project or anything that youkind of want to highlight, uh,
of your own music, uh, that Iknow that was a multifaceted
question there, but just kind ofwant you to be able to kind of
give, uh, some of the listenersmaybe some some stuff to to
either do homework on, you know,or or maybe go and do some
research on themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, well, I would say like I love connecting with
all kinds of people for anyreason, but certainly if anyone
has a reason to you know.
Follow me, Neil Nines, onInstagram.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Reach out spell that out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
I'm going to put it N-I-N-E-S and wants to have a
conversation about anything thatwe've talked about or anything
at all.
You know, I'm sure that wouldbe great that we've talked about
or anything at all.
You know, I'm sure that wouldbe great.
But certainly if this newartist identity rock, like if
you love 90s grunge andelectronic stuff and like this
sounds exciting to you, Iparticularly would love to hear

(01:21:38):
from you um, just let me knowyeah, I love that and um, but
other than that like yeah like,who was the guy that you put me
on to the podcaster that youshowed me his book?
Tim Ferriss yeah.
So I will say like, yeah, asfar as finding podcasts, I think

(01:21:59):
it's just the idea of exploringand taking time and find stuff
that appeals to you, and YouTubealgorithm is pretty good at
recommending stuff Almost toogood.
It started with me, with timferris and, and I found all
kinds of interesting podcastersand podcaster people and
concepts.
But tim, the tim ferris podcastwas the inception of the

(01:22:22):
personal development like metaking action and making that a
part of my life more consciously.
Love that, um, and was thebeginning of me kind of getting
out of what felt like a contentlife, just like doing the nine
to five, to beginning to dreamand envision and because I think

(01:22:47):
I kept hearing all thesestories, all these people that
made it like no one knows whatthey're doing really, but they
just like, they just like keptgoing they're good at pretending
they just, yeah, it's likeevery story and every story just
had its serendipity baked in.
and you know, and I just believelike, yeah, if you just keep
going for it, keep keep likefeeling like good, like you're

(01:23:11):
doing something good and likeyou're like making good
connections, you're treatingpeople well, like you have a
good vibe to bring you know andyeah, like I sure have to catch
myself sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Every now and then, right Dust your knees off.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
You know Like sure I have to catch myself sometimes,
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
But um your knees off .

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
But uh, yeah, like, yeah, things can happen.
Like, go for it, Try it, Justtry experiment.
Like you know, there's a salsaclass I've been meaning to take
and I haven't done it.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Like.
I'm pretty good at like pushingmyself outside the comfort zone
, but then you know I still getstuck in certain areas.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Yeah, of course.
So, yeah, this is my commitmentto take one salsa class.
They just show up.
I don't know anyone here, ormaybe, maybe I do right, uh, you
know what?

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
I have something.
Uh, I wait a second.
Is that a phone ringing?
Right, real quick?
Yes, hello, is this neil eights?
Oh, okay, yeah, well, guesswhat?
I have someone here who wantsto uh speak with you, and, uh,
he, I think he wants to give yousome advice.
I'm actually I'm not sure hewants to talk to you, though,

(01:24:24):
but this is you in the future,just so you know.
Somebody wants to talk to you,though, but this is you in the
future, just so you know.
Somebody wants to talk to you,dude what's up, buddy?
this is your older self don'tcover, try and make sure so the
other.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
this is your older self and I have been thinking
about what to tell you, whatadvice to give, and certainly
don't want to give away too muchand alter the course of the
learning.
But yeah, you were more of apunk than you thought you were,
than you think you are, butthat's okay.

(01:25:01):
At least you learned and yousucceeded in many different ways
.
So if you can figure thediscipline thing out and
accountability thing out andfocus on that earlier, go for it
.
But if not, that's all good too.
If you got to live through thatparty lifestyle and VIP and

(01:25:27):
being a scene-ster and thinkthat's the most important thing,
like, go ahead.
But it's definitely not.
So get out of that bullshit.
And um, yeah, man, startthinking about fashion a little
bit earlier too.
I know it's the, yeah, it'sstill like early two thousands,

(01:25:50):
but I think we could havestepped that up a little bit.
But just keep doing you andyeah, it's, it's, it's a
beautiful journey, and just keeppushing forward.
Love you, kiddo forward.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Love you kiddo.
Listen to everything he says,because you end up being a
pretty cool dude.
All right, peace, nice, nice,awesome.
All right, let's, let's rollinto some rapid fire real quick.
I didn't even tell you aboutthis, but I'm about to uh, I'm
about to hit you up with somequestions here.
Okay, and basically, how thisworks is I'm going to ask you,
like, if one thing or the other,or you know something that you

(01:26:38):
like or something that you don'tlike.
I think it's pretty easy, butwe want to go with a rapid fire,
so I want you to try and be asquick as possible.
If you don't know, you can sayI don't know.
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Put three minutes on the board.
You ready?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Okay.
Coffee or tea.
Coffee Star Wars or Star Trek.
Star Wars Okay.
Favorite Friends cast memberChandler, oh yeah.
What's your dream car?
If money was no object,lamborghini.
Who would you spend a day inthe life of?

(01:27:17):
Pass, okay, iphone or Android.
Iphone Text or phone call.
Phone call, organize playlistsor putting it all on shuffle.
Pass, what age would you wantto be Sorry?
What age would you want to stayfor the rest of your life?

(01:27:38):
35.
Earbuds or headphones BothScariest villain.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
He was like in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I saw him.
This guy is coming at me withthe claws.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Doritos or Pringles Doritos Worst pizza, topping
Anchovy Spinners or SprewellsDoritos Worst pizza, topping
Anchovy Spinners or.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Sprewells what Pass.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
If you could spend 24 hours with any celebrity, who
would it be?
Keith Richards, what's onething you've always wanted to do
but haven't Kite surfing?
If you could pick any seasonall year round, what would it be
?
Fall, east Coast or West CoastEast Coast Favorite subject in

(01:28:45):
school History.
Best music duo, the first thingthat came to mind Hall Oates,
my choice.
Nothing against them.
But there you go.
All right, name one pokemonthat's not pikachu.
All right, you walk into acasino right now.
What's the first thing?
You're playing the cheapestblackjack table I can find all

(01:29:10):
right.
What's your spirit animal wolf?
What's my spirit animal wolf?
The pack baby.
All right.
Favorite member of the beatlesuh george.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
No, now it's paul.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Now it's Paul.
Okay, it's Paul.
Okay, all right.
What's one thing you can't livewithout Love.
Love, that Favorite curse word.
That's not really a curse word.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Bro Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Favorite color Blue bro okay favorite color blue.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Any particular type of blue like a, like a dark
french royal blue, like, likesome, like fancy ass french
hotel and the walls are justblue, just blue Blue, love it,
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Just blue Blue, all right.
Planes, trains or automobiles,planes, let's go, let's go.
If you had to listen to onesong for the rest of your life,
what would it be Dream On?
Yes, most unique instrument.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Most a flout.
Yes, most unique instrument,most, uh, a flout, a flute, I
don't know what a flout is Okay,love it All right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Favorite kind of flower Uh Rose.
Okay, there you go, daytime ornighttime.
Daytime Any a daytime for sure.
Any superpower, what would itbe?
Uh, teleportation, okay.
If you could be any sea animal,what would it be and why?

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
I would be a dolphin, because I mean duh yeah, duh,
yeah, duh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
All right, last one, coconut or pineapple.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Oh, I mean, combined is the best.
Oh good, pina colada, Um, butpineapple, if I had to pick one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
All right, there you go.
Bomb drop Is that.
Is that the wrap, that's thefinal.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
That is the wrap.
Hey, that is the final that isthe wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Hey, listen, dude.
Neil, you have been an absolutepleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Likewise.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
You are a very inspiring person and the whole
zen-like feel.
I really do sense that and Ifeel that and that's kind of why
I brought you in today to speakwith the Respect perspectives
podcast audience and, uh, I'msure they can learn, or I hope

(01:31:53):
that they can learn somethingfrom this.
And uh, do you have any last uhwords that you want to?
Any maybe words of wisdom orany advice or anything that uh
you want to give?

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
give uh, you know the people, or uh, or just peace
out well, I respect you fordoing this and, uh, and Matt,
and, and this place, um, youknow, uh, the the rhythm royales
have been incredible.
Um, hopefully, you know that'ssomething that people will find
out about more and more.

(01:32:24):
Um, getting people together.
Baltimore, like, is known forits music scene, I think you
know.
More opportunities to bringpeople together is exciting for
me because I think part of mylife will always be here.

(01:32:47):
I just wanted to say that andgive gratitude and, yeah, I mean
I believe, anyone that canfollow their dream and and wants
to get their life in a betterplace.
Focus on your health and bodyand the mind will follow.

(01:33:08):
You know, that's definitelybeen true for me and and it's
it's a roller coaster all thetime, but at least the overall
trajectory has been good andsomething that, yeah, I don't
take for granted, you know sobut, yeah, just live your best
life and respect perspectives.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Respect perspectives.
All right, hey, dream on, dreamon.
Catch you next time.
Peace.

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