The Ultimate Tech Quest With Chris G.

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Ever wondered how a tech enthusiast's passion for Apple could shape their life and career? Chris G. from the UK joins us to share his journey, starting from his first iPod Touch and evolving into a seamless integration through Unidentified Enterprise (AWALL's Record Label). His story showcases the unifying power of technology and problem-solving. Along the way, Chris connected with fellow Apple aficionados, even launching an IG page at just 11 years old! (@appleosophy) Discover how his early fascination with technology has driven his career and fueled his connections with like-minded enthusiasts.

Embark on a musical adventure as we unravel a detective story involving Snapchat’s Snap Maps feature during the pandemic. He stumbled upon an unreleased song in Baltimore that sparked a relentless "search for more". Despite several music recognition apps dropping the ball, Chris turned to a combination of investigative tactics and Google searches that led him to Above Ground Studios and the mysteriousness of AWALL (the name is more fitting than ever in this case.) This tale highlights the power of curiosity, innovation, and teamwork in uncovering the hidden gems that life has to offer. We dive into the importance of creative collaboration in the music industry, emphasizing hands-on experience, effective communication, and the courage to take risks.

Finally, we explore the delicate balance between receiving feedback and staying true to one's artistic vision. Through engaging discussions on the global impact of music, we highlight the importance of building a strong support network and embracing a tribe in creative pursuits. A playful reflection on superpowers and the kindness wraps up the episode, encouraging listeners to spread positivity through simple action. Join us for a heartfelt conversation that inspires confidence and urges you to explore new possibilities with gratitude and an open mind. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:00):
leave me be, that pisses me off so much so good
and and that's the coolest thingabout music, though like you
can I I.
You know some people love it,some people.
There's some songs that I havethat like I made a long time ago
and like I have this like funnyrelationship with them like I
made it, but like do I stillhave to love it?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
you know, sometimes I send it out into the world,
yeah, and it just kind of itjust goes Everything's going to
be all right, everything's goingto be okay, everything's going

(00:44):
to be all right, everything'sgoing to be okay, everything's
going to be all right, long asyou respect my, long as you
respect my, everything's goingto be all right, all right, all
right, all right, all right yougot it down to a T-bap.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, thank you, Doug.
Thanks for being here.
I got Chris Granger in thehouse on the Respecting
Perspectives podcast and I'm soexcited to have this young man
here bursting out the seams.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, man.
Tell the guests a little aboutyourself so I'm from the uk, um,
I am studying computing andI've always had a very kind of
technological mind.
I'm very much interested in, uh, you know, anything to do with
tech, whether it's video, photo,just IT, telecoms in general.

(01:47):
It's something that just speaksto me and I feel a particular
connection with a lot of thetechnology that I work with,
just because I'm verytechnically minded and it just
plays to strengths.
So I'm very able and, um, happyto, you know, always help
people with any sort of itissues that they've got going on

(02:11):
this guy has helped me with alot of my technical issues.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
He's always just a text away and it's.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's really, uh, it's cool, he's on speed dial um, or
I'm on his speed dial more likeoh for sure, for sure, for sure
.
There's been times where he'sphoned me up.
It's been like 1 am in themorning.
Hey, Andrew, how's it goingwhat you?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
need help with, and there's a five-hour difference
too right, yep, there's that too.
So we're always trying tojuggle that.
Yeah, so it always, you knowthere's something different
going on every single time, forsure.
So I have a question for youTell me a little bit about your

(02:52):
background with Apple and howthat's kind of shaped your
future.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So my background with Apple it started from a really
young age and I don't know whatreally happened.
I kind of, just um, had anatural love for it all and it
was something where, as soon asI was able to understand the

(03:19):
technology, I was like I want aniphone and I saw the potential
I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I saw the potential, I guess.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, I saw the potential and it was just
something where I really likedhow put together it was.
It was a good product and itjust spoke to me on a level that
was, you know, very deep down.
And so from probably about fiveyears old, I went from really

(03:46):
enjoying my leapfrog, my OGleapfrog for the people that
would be knowing what that isShout out To wanting an iPhone,
and I think at the time it waslike the iPhone 4, 4s was still
current, so I'm still prettyyoung.
4, 4s was still current, so I'mstill pretty young.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
But, it was far enough in that I was able to,
you know, tell my parents I'minterested in this.
Are there any particularfeatures about it that you know
really stood out to you and wereone of the reasons that made
you like?
You know, I personally with theiPod, you know that was the
thing that I was alwaysinterested in, the very
beginning.
What about you?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
that that was that.
Was it so that year that I waskind of um saying to my parents
I want an iphone, I want aniphone?
Um, I got a ipod touch fourthgeneration, and it was something
where I freaked out.
I I like could have done abackflip if I tried.
I was so stoked and that waswhat started by my real love for

(04:53):
apple, which was getting intothe ecosystem and, you know,
seeing what the potential is.
Um, I know, in a more moderncontext, uh, you know, like,
I've got my apple watch on whichconnects to my phone.
My phone connects to my macbookyou know, everything's
interconnected and the thing is,is that, like with samsung,

(05:15):
they have the same?
Uh, you know devices andproducts, but it's just not, in
my opinion, not polished enoughto the point where I would make
the switch.
My first phone was an Android,so I can't, you know, people
can't really say Can't hate.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
I guess because you started from the bottom.
Now you're here.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Exactly, and so you know there's pros and cons to
you know everything, but I feelthat the Apple ecosystem
definitely, um, you know it doeswhat it needs for me and so I I
just kind of take it as it isand I've been able to use it to,
you know, obviously, connectout with you for sure, for

(05:55):
facetime, for sure tell themabout your the instagram page
that you have, um, and you knowhow you started that and what.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
How old were you when you started that?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
yeah, so I, I was 11 years old, um, and this was when
I first started, uh, kind ofusing social media.
I downloaded an app calledtelegram, okay, and I remember
that.
Yeah, and so I met someonecalled holden Satterwhite on
there who was also interested inApple on kind of like the same

(06:31):
obsessive level that.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I was.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
And so it became a thing where we spent a couple
months talking out just sayingwhat we liked, what we didn't
like and just like oh, what doyou think of the new update, ios
update and things like that.
And then, on December 24th 2015, we started the Instagram page

(06:55):
for my brand.
It's called AppilosophyA-P-P-L-E-O-S-O-P-H-Y Philosophy
of Apple.
And, yeah, so we started withthat.
We started doing posts.
It was trying to inform otherpeople about the different
updates about Apple, new productreleases, just kind of things

(07:16):
to look out for New phonescoming out.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
New phones.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
The features?
Yep, exactly.
And we were able to build it upoff the skin of our own back.
We didn't really have muchassistance from parents or
anyone else.
It was very much learning thehard way and just kind of going
with the flow.
There were a few times where wejust had some screw-ups and we

(07:42):
definitely needed to learn fromthose and just kind of keep on
moving.
That's life, man.
Yep, exactly.
And so we we had those momentsand we've been able to grow it
to the point where we've got awebsite now which was started in
2018 nice and then it's areally cool website thank you,

(08:03):
it is.
It's.
It's huge though it's.
It's got articles dating allthe way back to, I think, like
2016.
It's well put together.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
The design itself is really, is really cool, but
Chris and I really havedeveloped a bond and a
relationship that is even hardto describe, and we'll get a
little into it.
I want you to tell all myfriends and family and everybody

(08:40):
else who's watching this youknow, the story of how you found
me and the story that is one ofthe things that has helped me
achieve whatever level ofhappiness that of happiness that

(09:12):
exists because the way in whichwe came together in such crazy
settings and environments is onefor the ages.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, as I said, just a little ways back, I'm from
the UK, I live in the UK.
A little ways back, I'm fromthe uk, I live in the uk, and so
my kind of thing for meetingandrew was was a little bit
interesting.
Um, I had a friend who went toschool, uh, in kind of the

(09:37):
baltimore area, and basicallyone day, um, I think I had
finished school for for theholidays it was christmas time.
Okay, um, finished school and Ijust saw I'll see what he's up
to.
Had some time on your hands,yeah, yeah.
And so went on to a social mediaapp called snapchat okay and on

(10:01):
snap there's this featurecalled Snap Maps, which allows
you to view user-submittedvideos and photos to basically a
big map that anyone is able tokind of like zoom in on.
That's pretty cool.
Tap and it opens up withwhatever's going on in that area
.
Geographical yeah, so I had hislocation and I was just seeing

(10:24):
what was going on in his area.
Geographical yeah, so I had hislocation and I was just seeing
what was going on in his littlebubble around around baltimore
and I I get this video and Iactually have it down here if I
get my phone out um the actualthe video the original video yep
, and I'll let you have a playof it.

(10:45):
Oh, this is cool, and so, if you, yeah, press the.
Press the play button, let'ssee Numbness yeah, that's the
new.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
And I kinda dig a moose Numbness.
That's the new thing Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain,
rain, rain, rain.
Oh, this is that unreleased.
He did music that changed mylife and somebody else's.

(11:40):
Oh, dude, thanks for showing methat that's really cool to see,
and so I screen recorded that.
We're talking like 8 to 15second clips.
Okay, let's just.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, and it was on Snapchat Maps and so I thought
that sounds cool.
I, you know, thought thatsounds cool like I could the the
.
The original thought that I had, especially for that cry and
rain um snippet was, and I don'tknow why, it was just weirdly
specific driving down like ahighway in georgia just after,

(12:22):
like a summer rainfall.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Paint the picture paint the picture sunset kind of
like a pinky, purple hue.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh, I see it.
Yeah, I see it, and for againan unknown reason, I'm driving a
nice lexus.
Oh, shoot, and okay.
So I'm there and that's what Ijust imagined when I listened to
that little snippet and that'sawesome.
Awesome, I mean.
Same for numbness, numbness.
It just like it hit somethingin my brain and I was just like

(12:50):
yo dopamine rush that was.
It was nuts.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Thank you for explaining that and getting a
little bit deeper with me onthat.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
But the weird thing was is that I sat on that and I
had it almost immediately after.
I took that through recording,um tried to Shazam it and and so
you know, you try and recognizethe music and I tried Shazam, I
tried SoundHound and a bunch ofother services which are

(13:19):
supposed to be able to identifythe music, and they couldn't and
this was, mind you, this wasbefore I had the website, before
I even worked on any seo.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
This is before everything, when just the idea
was really at the forefront butI just hadn't taken any action
to get it out there exactly, andso nothing existed.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
He was basically, you know, just just a nomad.
I could not, was I going awolyeah, he was going, and so I sat
on it for about six months andthen covid came around and I was
like I've got a whole bunch oftime, what do I want to do?
And so then I thought I'll go,you know, back to this video,

(14:06):
and I'd gone back to it atseveral points.
Um, you know, throughout thesix months that I failed to
identify the song.
Um, you know, just listening toit every now and then just
keeping it in the back of myhead.
And now that cover came alongand I had this time to
investigate what it was.
I started off by looking at thelocation of the screen

(14:27):
recording again, and then fromthere going onto my computer and
going onto, you know, maps andzooming in a whole bunch.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And to the location that you found on the Snapchat.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, to the, to the location, the location, and I I
saw nothing.
I was like crap.
You know I've, I've hit a deadend at the first hurdle.
Dag nabbit, yeah, exactly, um gwillikers.
And then I decided, you know,I'll go, he's louise, exactly I,
okay.

(15:02):
I then decided, oh, I'll gostreet view, went into street
view and then business pops upabove ground studios and I'm
like, have I got a little bit ofa lead here?
Oh shoot.
And so I click on it and thisis when the kind of fbi level,
um, you know, detectiveinvestigation starts.

(15:23):
Oh shoot.
So I open up the page for aboveground studios and then they've
got some uploaded images whichare like three 360 camera um
captures, and so I click on oneof them and I start looking
around the studio.
You know, click drag, clickdrag, and looking for anything
familiar.
I guess that you saw in thevideo and so in the video um,

(15:48):
when we're editing this, we'llget up the stills.
Um, I saw the computer and thekeyboard layout and then in one
of the crying rain videos Ibelieve it was in the there is
who I now know to be called Nate, the infamous Nate doll,
exactly, and so I look in thebackground, I see him and I see

(16:13):
his photo on the website.
So, like, okay, that checks outMatched up.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Matched up Matchcom right there Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I don't swing that way, but yeah.
So then I link it up and I say,yep, that is the place where
the video was recorded, becauseI was thinking, oh, this guy's
probably recorded it in hishouse and he's just uploaded it
on, you know, like a weekendwhere he's had a couple beers,
you're right and I thought Ithought damn, but I found it and

(16:41):
I and I was so excited becauseI immediately went to the
contact page on the website andI said who's this guy?
And I sent him the originalvideo and Nate comes back with
it's AWOL.
Yeah, it was just like.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
A man of few words.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, the few, the fewest possible words that could
have been responded to.
Yeah, man, yeah, it's able,it's able, um?
And so I thought brilliant,great thanks, at least he's
pointed me in the rightdirection.
There you go.
And so then what I did was wentthrough soundcloud or no.

(17:27):
I started with apple music,couldn't find anything.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Started with spotify not established yet distributing
again nothing there soundcloud.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I then click on to um .
You know the search results forA-W-A-L-L and it returned
something crazy like 500.
And I spent ages going throughseeing if they had published any
music.
A lot of them were profileswhere there weren't even profile
pictures or anything like that.

(17:58):
So it was really kind of justtrial and error, just keep going
until I hit something Right,and there were a few.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Was there anything in particular that you were
looking for?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
No, not really.
I was sort of just.
I had the context that you werein Baltimore, so that was
probably the main bit ofevidence that I had.
I had your face but I couldn'tsee, you know, in the search
results, any profile photos thathad you know yourcha your
little face on and so Ieventually get to one where it's

(18:28):
a wall artist and it's inbaltimore, it's tagged up and so
I thought, fingers crossed,click on it and I play some of
the old tracks from a wall,believe me, and me ppvs, me ppvs
by marillo pictures, poems,visions produced by marillo, and

(18:51):
that is under uh gravitasrecordings yep, I'm proud of
that one and and so that was thefirst one that I remember
listening to, and I was like Ihear him come in and I'm like,
yep, that's, that's him, that'sthe guy, that's our guy got him,
and I see on the SoundCloudpage that he's also linked his
Facebook page and so I click onthat just to see what's out

(19:14):
there and I see his phone number.
A little bit of informationsecurity.
You probably shouldn't do thatnowadays.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think we've probably talked about this
before.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
You could do it with the RP hotlineline which will
will tag down, oh shoot, oh niceand um, yeah, the phone number
was his personal phone number,so what I did then was just
prank me.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Hey, you want to just prank me?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
yeah, exactly just saying that, yeah, I'll have.
I'll have 10 large pizzas,please pepperoni and cheese.
And yeah, so I've.
I sent him a text message and Isort of said yo, I screen
recorded your videos from fromsnapchat.
You know, can I have a listen?
Um?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
dude.
I remember getting that messageand I was at work and I'm like,
reading this and it it feltlike one of those email scams.
You know that like you, youlike you, you like this is
almost like too cool to evenlike happen, you know.
And he gave me the details,like he tried to give me the

(20:25):
details in text as much aspossible.
And I remember the first thingI thought I'm like we need to
get a call in, like I was like Ineed to talk to you.
I need to actually make sureyou're not like a robot or
something.
And he was like, yeah, surething, so he calls me or I call
I'm not sure how that worked.

(20:50):
He's a human and he startstalking normal and I'm like last
time I checked, I am yeah,right, yeah right, check, and it
was, it was cool, because I'mlike, okay, well, okay, you know
, I started to dig a little bitand ask you questions and try
and really just figure out.
You know what this was and youknow how it played in the bigger

(21:15):
picture of my music, you know.
And when I started to read thetext and try and decipher, like
what this kid went through, youknow, to try and find me for,
for, whatever he was, maybe hewas going through something at
the time and just it helped him.

(21:37):
You know, is there any specificthing that that the songs did
for you?
Like?
Was there?
Was there a feeling that youfelt was, did that song help
provide a specific feeling?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I think it was.
It was a little bit of the, thekind of dopamine, but then also
the serotonin that was goingthrough my head, which was, you
know, this sounds good.
I would like to say that Icontacted you in the pursuit of
good music and I wasn't going tobe, you know, deterred by the

(22:10):
fact that I had to do a littlebit of digging and so, you know,
taking the time to do thatoutreach, I was really anxious
that it was just going to get,you know, blown over.
You were going to read it andthen it was going to be ah,
that's a scam swipe.
And it was really reassuring tohave you then reach out and

(22:33):
kind of ask a bunch of counterquestions.
You know the how's the wisethat you know who are you.
You're so curious, but I thinkfor me it was just finding good
music but then also just havingsomething.
Um, you know there was purpose.
I wanted to find who made thatsong and I found him dude, I let

(22:56):
me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
That song too, those that that group of songs has,
and it's it's a, a tape that Ihave called numbness that I will
release just really is theclosest project to my heart, and
I would hope that I can showthe world it's at some point and

(23:21):
really be, you know, ready todo it.
But either way, it changed mylife too.
The song and the material itdrove me to a way that I can't
even explain.
It was the thing that got me upevery single morning and then,
like for you to reach out to meand be like this kid you know

(23:49):
from across the world, you know,like, look at what music has
done.
I mean for you and I and man,that story and what goes into it
Is the stuff that Dreams aremade of.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I like to think that it was a massive turning point.
You know, like, speaking righthere right now, there was a
point where you know, you kindof sussed out who I was, and you
know I told you that I did.
You know little social mediabits and websites and things

(24:34):
like that, the kind of nerdytech stuff, and then you had
that kind of realization of youknow that's what I need.
And so I, you know, not onlywas able to connect with the
music but have the purpose ofgetting into something that, for
me at the time, was entirelynew purpose of getting into

(24:56):
something that, for me at thetime, was entirely new.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
so so what I feel like we did was we took my love
for music and his love fortechnology, agreed, and we just
combined it, and you know therehave been so many different
roles that this kid has taken onin order for AWOL artists to be

(25:19):
the thing that we can be proudof today, and everything from
cover art to press releases towebsite.
Okay, I want you to know thathe, he makes websites and he
designs websites, and he canhelp you with so many different

(25:40):
things.
Are there any thingsspecifically that you think?
Um, you know you'd like to letsome people in on that.
Maybe is some part of yourexpertise and then maybe some
clients that that some listenerscould become possibly yeah, I
mean we, the.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
The thing is is like I was saying when you know, we
first started recording my mylove for technology goes the
whole way around runs deep.
Yeah, the you know amount of uhprojects that I've worked on and
things like that is so vast,and so, like you know, apps,

(26:17):
websites, social mediamanagement, marketing design you
know it really becomesmultifaceted, and so, for sure,
it's something where I wouldrather have someone reach out to
me and, you know, say this iswhat I'm working on and this is,
you know, what I need help withor this is what I could need

(26:41):
help with, and then I'd ratherhave the ability to turn around
and say I think I can help or Ican help.
or sometimes I have people comearound and that's not really
part of my repertoire or myskill set that I feel would be

(27:05):
at a high enough level to helpyou with your project.
And that was something that Ialso appreciated from you was
working in music was entirelynew to me.
I'd never published a song,never written a press release or
had any sort of process forrecording a song, mixing and

(27:31):
mastering and then putting youknow, putting it out to
production.
Obviously that's a shortenedprocess, but For sure you know
what.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Sorry to interrupt, I would like to say that you
became more of a hands-onconsultant.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Exactly, I, I got way more hands-on.
Um, obviously there were thingswhere you kind of said more
hands-on.
Um, obviously there were thingswhere you kind of said just do
your thing.
And that was mostly like withthe website and uh, with the,
with the social media and someof the press.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But I did have like some references yeah, you had
that's really important anytime,all right.
Hey, side note artists whenyou're out there trying to get
cover art or a music video oryour song to sound a particular
way, references havingreferences are key in getting

(28:25):
your idea across.
And guess what?
They're out there somewhere.
You know you, you got, you gotinspired by something.
You just have to be able totrack that down.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Get a little pinterest board going oh, dude,
yeah, yeah, or, or I mean likesome of the stuff.
He'll just send me a textmessage and it'll just be
reference and it's same way meto him, he'll, I'll see
something in reference.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, we're just back and forth in references over
here I'll just see something.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
It'll be like that'd be cool for a song.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Either music, video-wise or I like this beat
Just always back and forth.
And that's another thing that Iwould say is the discourse If
you're able to have really goodcommunication with either
another person or a group ofpeople that you're working with
for your music, then it becomesso much more valuable when you

(29:19):
have a clear line ofcommunication that goes both
ways.
Yeah, um, because when it's oneway and it's like that's a great
point you because, because liketo to be honest you, you pay me
for the work that I do, andfair enough, of course, because
nothing— I appreciate it thatmuch.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
And for you to focus your energy on my passion and my
art.
I couldn't thank you enough.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I appreciate it and yeah, it's just something where,
even though he's paying me,I'll do him a service.
I, you know, will you know?
Like I was saying earlier, I'llbe awake, ready to take a call
at 2 am in the morning, becausethat's how much it means to me.
And that's not to say that I doit for everyone, because I most

(30:11):
certainly don't.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
There are some people that will phone me phone me
even at like during business ohright, two o'clock during the
day and you're still like putthe phone down.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I don't want to talk to you.
Yeah, or or um, it'd be like um, the telephone from oh, what's
the music video?
What operator?
Yeah, from operator, just smashit on the floor, get a
sledgehammer to get the guitars.
Exactly, I can see it now andit's just like I don't want to
talk to you.
But whenever andrew calls, Iwant to be there because I've

(30:44):
gone through the process of, youknow, of finding his music and
we have a very clear, open,honest communication line tell
them about the song releasechecklist.
Oh yeah, so we have a checklist,which I forget the original
inspiration from.
I think it was from a coursethat you might have done.
Yeah, and he's like you know weneed to develop something.

(31:08):
So we've got a spreadsheet thathas pretty much everything that
goes into a release, now thatandrew does, and we've been
doing that since I'm trying toremember it probably be like
since I met you.
Well, yeah, maybe like three orfour years ago distant was the
first track that we kind ofstarted with the checklist on

(31:30):
sort of took the porsche on thegolf pro course yeah, we drove a
porsche on a golf course thatwas fun.
He was a naughty guy I havenaughty days.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I do have.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I had a time where I was just just naughty yeah, but
before, before I straightenedabout and was like, right, yeah,
he was like you gotta take thisserious man dude, you know what
, what?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Let me tell you about this.
That was a turning point in mycareer.
It actually did straighten meup as much.

(32:21):
As you know, I'm kind of jokingabout I don't know like three
to five that have strictlyinfluenced the fork in the road
that I was presented with andproudly took the right way, and
that's good.
And, dude, you really helped meget my ideas out.
Man, like that's something thatit's really hard to understand.

(32:43):
I guess, if you're not someonewho's you know I guess creative,
you could say because you knowyou have some output and as you
do that, you know you try andlearn from it.
You know, like, yeah, I thinkI've said before, you know, my,
my songs are just messages to,to not even just me, but like
you and people that are close tome, that I really want to truly

(33:06):
inspire on an individual level.
You know I I think that'sreally important is the
conversation that you have, andyou know I'll talk about the
summit that I was just at, themastermind down in Florida with
KSK and Anonymous, and you knowit was an amazing experience.

(33:26):
It, you know it was beyond whatI expected and it was just
really amazing to be able tolearn and see some teams that
are doing it the right way, andit has a lot to do with that
team structure.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Exactly I agree.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And let me ask you this what team, what part of the
team do you say you um are arebest?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
uh, at like like I want you to kind of get into
like free falling, how we shotthe video and things like that
so that that one was interestingbecause I feel like my, my role
with uh, with app philosophy,is, um, I'm chief operations
officer, so it's a little bitmore, yeah, managerial, um, but

(34:17):
also, you know, because I Ico-founded it with uh, with
holden, it's something where,you know, it just naturally
falls into place that way, um,but with free fallen, that was a
complete pivot for me because Ibecame a little bit of it's
gonna sound cliche, but a littlebit of everything and free

(34:38):
fallen is a track that Ireleased, maybe like three years
ago, that he was reallyinspired by and wanted to.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
We wanted to to turn this idea that I had into
something larger and, with theyou know, we, we filmed this
whole thing yeah, we shot itpretty much in.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
What was it?
It was a day and we shot it allon iphone, so that goes back to
you know my, my tech side, um,all on iphone.
We had a tripod and a gimbal,um, but the the fun way that you
know, andrew, and I describe itis two guys a good wheelchair
and a rental car.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Dude, let me tell you something, figuring out that it
was that possible and that I'mnot even going to say easy, but
doable With a little bit ofpreparation.
Know, you do have to be thedirector when you're making a
music video.
You have to be a director,exactly, and whether you're

(35:40):
directing yourself or you'redirecting others, it really
comes down to what type ofdirection are you going to be
able to give and and that waswhat was interesting for me was
that it became not just amanagerial thing.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Obviously, I did all sorts of like planning documents
.
I said these are the propswe're going to need, these are
the potential locations.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
The charts.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
You had charts, yep, I had charts and it was all kind
of things that we-.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Pie graphs.
You even had like a pie graphof, like, the time of day where
the sun will be, and like, isthis going to be optimal to
where?
The camera will also be.
I'm like dude, this is baller.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
And the funny thing for me was that it was my first
time doing it and I just thoughtI'm just going to go absolutely
ham on this because there's nopoint kind of half-assing it,
and then there's also no pointin rejecting it.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Dude, you went the whole pig on it Exactly, not
just him, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I wanted to really kind of just push myself but
also try some new things withAndrew and luckily you're very
much a guy who if I come to andI'm open and I'm honest and I
say, you know, this isn't reallymy thing or I've never done
this before, you'll say do itanyways.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
And that's one thing that I feel was really prevalent
on this project for Free Fallenwas just… Wait, okay, so like
do it anyways, though, like in away Well, I feel I'm not too
like, I'm not, I'm not being adick ami no, yeah, no, but yeah,
it's um, it's more of a likeyou're, you're pushing the boat

(37:26):
out for me you're saying oh,thank, I like the way you put
that I have the trust in youthat you will do something.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
If it's good, good.
If it's bad, eh yeah, try it.
And this is the thing is that,with the amount of investment
that you've put into your music,it makes equal sense to start
putting the finance and thebudgeting towards the other
parts that people consume,because people want the videos,
people want to have thingsadvertised to them, things that

(37:57):
are nice, not necessarily, youknow, some like cheap Chinese
crap.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
But you get the picture.
Some offline online, you knowyeah yeah, yeah, hot singles in
your area, oh shit, right.
But yeah, it's to the pointwhere he was just saying I've
got faith in you to do somethingand so it was just a case of I
put the plans together.
Andrew tried really, reallyhard on trying to stick to the

(38:26):
timings and we worked out awhole bunch of things just to
make sure that we were able tomake it happen.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Like, a run, a show type thing, right, Exactly.
I'm sure there's a complicatedterm for a music video as well,
but other than a show, but it'slike the rundown of all the
things that are going to happen.
And I think one of the mostimportant things to that is
times and making sure that youtry and stick to those times,

(38:57):
Like you know what.
Making sure that you try andstick to those times Like you
know what.
Let me just shout out realquick, because you know, we're a
few episodes in and man, wecame in here and got this to a
point to where it's just it'sjust it's it's natural now and
it feels good to be able to, toreally have a grasp on a vision
and like, really, you know, know, being able to like adjust it

(39:21):
in ways that feel like it'sbeing enhanced yeah, it's, it's
sorry, I took that, no, you doyour thing.
I mean, this is your show, soit's like I would consider our
show actually like for this oneat least.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
All right, I appreciate that um, but yeah, I
mean, it was just where we wedid, we did it and we filmed a
lot of the scenes like, uh,non-chronologically, we, you
know, started off with, um, thebeginning of the song, and then
we went to the end of the songand then the middle of the song

(39:56):
and it, it was all basicallyworking around the daylight that
we had.
Yeah, for sure, because it wasfilmed outside, and so, you know
, we tried really hard.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Do you have any tips or tricks that you think would
work?
You know well when a new artistis trying to film a video with
an iPhone.
I just cut you off there, I'msorry.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
What I would say like tips would be film everything,
I would say, like a minimum ofthree times, and I'm not talking
about just like a specific.
Well, in the context of FreeFall we filmed, you know, the
entire song three times.
So then we had different angles, different reference points to
go off of, and so if that's yourkind of methodology for filming

(40:44):
your video, then record itthree times.
If you're just doing a specificscene where it's more kind of
like acting than it is workingout the music side to it, then I
would still say you know, do itdo more than once.
Yeah, sometimes you know, do itmore than once.
Sometimes, you know, budgetrestrictions mean that you can't
do it more often, but at leastget like two takes, and if that

(41:07):
means that you have to have twocameras set up, that's kind of
the thing that you should do,you know, just to be able to get
those angles.
But I would also say what Ilearned from that project,
because that was my first musicvideo.
I hadn't, you know, done anysort of major videography.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I remember going into that, you know, kind of
thinking about that, and how Icould kind of guide you in a way
that was able you were able to,you know, get your ideas to
fall.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
And I like what you did there.
And, yeah, it was just kind oflike we got everything into
place.
It went really smooth for whatit was.
And then I got home later thatday and I just started editing.
And I think the turnaround forthat was like a day and a half
and that wasn't imposed by you.

(42:01):
That was me being so motivatedI just like.
I just want to do it.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh man, that's cool dude.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I was.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
I was like uh, you know, jackrabbit, I was
literally just feeling to wantto really just like, yeah, get
that thing completed so youcould, yeah, send it out there
and I was.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I'm still really proud of it.
Like I said, it's my firstmusic video Me too, yeah, and so
it was just something where Icould say like, look, Mom, I did
that, Mama he made it.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I did that Right, oh man, okay.
So let's talk a little bitabout accountability.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, okay, out accountability yeah, okay, and
the fact that you're alwayscontinuously learning,
developing yeah, you know, beaccountable, I think.
Well, I mean, you can probablyuh speak your mind on this there
.
There's been times where youknow, like going back to the

(42:57):
original story of where I, youknow, met Andrew A Will Cornwall
, where it was more of a.
You know, I'm a huge fan ofyour music, but I don't think at
any point there was ever apoint where I was like, yeah,
I'm a kiss ass, yeah, gotcha.
There's certain songs I don'tfeel like I don't think there

(43:20):
was a there.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You know what at first it was.
Just I was just trying to get afeel for you know, because
unfortunately there's there'slike scams out there it's fair
it's fair.
So you have to kind of, youknow, you have to tread tread
lightly, but I think there'sjust right questions, right
maybe?
Yeah, the right questions andthings like that.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
And then when we got into you know you have to tread
lightly, but I think it was justright questions, right, yeah,
the right questions, and thingslike that.
And then when we got into youknow, actually doing business
together, there was never apoint where I would lie to you.
I wouldn't ever, you know, lookyou dead in the eye and say I
really like that song.
Because there are several songs, should I name drop them or

(43:59):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
there's several songs Um.
Should I name drop them or?
Uh, dude, you can name dropanything you want Leave?
me be that pisses me off so goodand, and that's the coolest
thing about music though Likeyou can I I you know some people
love it, Some people.
There's some songs that I havethat like I made a long time ago
and like I have this like funnyrelationship with them like I

(44:22):
made it, but like do I stillhave to love it?
You know, sometimes I send itout into the world, yeah, and it
just kind of it just goes itjust, and you, you kind of
forget about it.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, yeah, but the the point that I'm trying to
make is is that you know, like Ican tell you I didn't like that
song.
I still don't like it.
I've listened to it a handfulof times not not as many as I've
listened to the rest of thatalbum.
Yeah, but you know, it's thefact that I can tell you that I
don't like it and that youaren't offended by it man, I

(44:52):
work.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I I have to work on not taking things personally.
You know what let's take acommercial for not take.
This is a commercial for nottaking things personally.
You know what let's take acommercial for not taking.
This is a commercial for nottaking things personally.
Okay, whenever anybody sayssomething to you, whether it's a
reply or, you know, just theback and forth conversation you
know, don't take it personal,agree, okay, don't take it to

(45:17):
heart, because it's just areflection of what that person
is going through at the time andyou don't know what that
situation is or the the smallthings that lead up to that.
So I want to thank everybodyout there for taking a second to
not take things personally whatI'd also I'd say to that, just

(45:39):
before the this littlecommercial bit ends, is we still
have 10 seconds.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, yeah, paid for tons Um is the fact that you you
can't just, you know, be so um,have your heart in the project
so much that you can't take thecriticism, because sometimes,
sometimes, the criticism is is alittle bit harsh, and you know,

(46:06):
I'll say what I just said youknow about.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
leave me be that was a little bit you know it was
blunt.
No, no, you know what it's youthe point that we're trying to
make it it's exactly where itshould be.
It's.
I'm glad we from you sayingthat we took it to the this
commercial, because I need totell myself that commercial a
lot and you know what I think we, we all should, and I'm I'm

(46:29):
gonna, at one time or at sometime I'm gonna have my really
good friend, crystalline pet,come in and speak and we
actually might go to her prettycool setup of a studio and do a
podcast there and we dive deepinto not taking things

(46:53):
personally, exactly Because youget so caught up in it and it
doesn't reflect well on you.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
It doesn't reflect well on whatever you're working
on or representing.
But then also it just makesthings so much harder because
you then end up with someonethinking that that's how you
think and it's not so personal.
You can have your heart andsoul into something, but
sometimes the feedback is needed.

(47:21):
You need a little bit of areality check, and the other
kind of flip side to that isyou're not going to please
everyone.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yes, good point.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
The reason that there's all these different
music artists about is becauseeveryone's got different styles,
different tastes, differentgenres for sure that they're
interested in, and so you knowthere's a an ultimate sense of
not caring, um, not in like asnobby.
Uh, you know I'm, I'm betterthan you snobby yep, in a.

(47:55):
In a I'm better than you way.
But more from the point of viewof I know that I'm not going to
please you, even if I do changethings, you know you'll still.
Yeah, how do?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I know what I'm aiming for.
You know you're giving me afeedback of what you don't like.
Maybe I think something thatwould be even more constructive
would be maybe giving feedbackand saying like why or like what
it is that you don't like.
You know like I think that'syou know, but it's like, if

(48:25):
somebody takes it personal, it'sjust like, it's like a, it's
like, yeah, you get alldefensive about it.
No, it wasn't high enough.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yes, it was yeah, and and so you know that's, that's
kind of my end to the thecommercial break for, uh, you
know, for it all.
So, uh, I forget what we weretalking about so um, you know
what.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I will be honest, I lost my train of thought after
the um commercial oh, open linesof communication we're talking
about how I really don't like.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
leave me be and just going back to that, um, you know
we were able to talk openly,and so that's another thing.
Is that, like he's not defendandrew, you're not defensive
about your projects, but at thesame time, I feel you know that
my feedback, that you know, whenhe sends me a song on the

(49:20):
SoundCloud and stuff like that,I'll listen to it and I'll give
him five to 10 points offeedback.
I really like what you did here.
I like the instrumental bithere.
I really think that this wouldwork well for a music video and
things like that, and you takethat on board, which I really
value, because there's somepeople that I do creative

(49:41):
projects for and they're they'revery set in their ways and
there's no kind of wiggle roomfor, uh, I would say, extra
creativity I would say somethingmaybe like the ideas get lost
in the ether, they're just notreally heard.
Yeah, exactly, and so somepeople have their ears switched

(50:02):
off and other people have itkind of partially open.
They'll try a few things Right.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
A little tuner.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, it's like AM FM you know, yeah, and so
sometimes there's a little bitof static in there.
Oh right, yeah, little bit ofstatic in there, all right, yeah
, but, um, but I would, I wouldsay for you that you know
everything's open all the waybecause it's um, you know, I'll
give feedback and there's a lotof times that you know we'll
spend like two, three hours on acall just going through.

(50:29):
I like this.
No, I don't.
I like this.
No, I don't, let me, let mebreak it down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I think this will be quite helpful for some artists.
Uh, let's, let's break down asong release checklist real
quick.
Okay, you know, first thing isthe song.
Okay, you want a masteredversion of the song, you want
MP3 and WAV, and you know, thisisn't exact, but this is just a
little bit of a blueprint or aguide, if I will.

(50:57):
Okay, yeah, and we have this inGoogle Drive and it's just a
Google sheet.
You know, it's like an Excelspreadsheet that your mom and
stuff and like people used toyeah With little tick boxes.
Yeah, made back in the day.
Okay, well, you know what.
Learn how to use one, becauseyou can put a lot of information
in a small sector and it can beindividualized.

(51:18):
Okay, and you're going to haveall of your songs on the
left-hand side and on the top.
There's going to be checksthroughout the whole thing.
Okay, there's going to be yeses, there's going to be nos,
there's going to be NAs, don'tapplies, okay, and then there
might be some other things thatare in between there.
But you need your cover art.
Okay.

(51:39):
You need your lyricstranscribed.
Okay, you want to make yourpress release All right?
So a lot of people don't want totake advantage of a press
release.
We do, okay, press release forevery single song that's out
there.
And now we've taken on writersto.
Really, there's something socool about being able to hear

(52:00):
and understand my song in a waythat I haven't been able to
before and when you know you'vedone that for me, and taking the
time to learn how to write aproper press release and what's
included, and all the seo stuffthat's included in that really
helps your website get seen bythe people it should.
I'm super appreciative of that.

(52:22):
Okay, you need your your lyricstranscribed.
You also need to have adistributor that you're going to
.
You know that you're going todistribute it through.
There's many different typesand kinds.
I'm with Symphonic Distributionright now and I'm pretty happy
with happy with what's going on,but I know there's a lot of
other ones out there.
And then, from there on, if youhave a music video, if you have

(52:47):
a lyric video, if you maybeeven get an AI video done for it
, you want to release as muchstuff on YouTube as you can
possible that's horizontal, andthen you want to film some
shorts with your verticalcontent.
I really need to work on allthese things as well, but these
are just some of the things, andone of the things that I really

(53:08):
love is the QR code.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Okay, oh yeah, this is something that Chris came to
me with that I am to die for,okay, and this thing has really
changed the way that I've beenable to get the the music out it
started very interestinglybecause I was going around and
you know, in some of the kind ofsuburban areas you had, um,

(53:31):
bourbons, yeah, there's some ofthe bourbons, bourbon areas
where you know, on the on thelampposts and and things like
that yep, different stickers, qrcodes, um, but the one flaw
that I always found was thatthere was not really much extra
context.
It was sort of the qr code,that was it, and so what I

(53:53):
wanted to try with andrew andthis was another um kind of
project that we worked on whereit was, he's taken a chance on
me to deliver something that hasturned out to be really, really
great was designing thesestickers with a little bit of an
extra bit at the bottom thatsays scan this to listen to AWOL

(54:15):
Artist.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
You've got to know what it is.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yes, people scanning it are already receptive to the
fact that it's going to besomething that they're going to
be listening to yep, they'llhave it to their ears, ready to
go and we use a service thatallows us to track the amount of
clicks, uh or scans.
Sorry that it has, and sosomebody could be clicking that
thing right now exactly scan itand with the, because I'm trying

(54:39):
to think when we started, Ithink it was like 2022.
Yeah, so it's been a good whilethat we've had these QR codes,
and I think you probably hadlike, over the course of those
two years, like 3,000 printed,yeah, at least, and like we'll
go around those things, yeah,everywhere.

(55:01):
Yeah, bank atms, parkingmachines, bathroom stalls,
lampos, post not post boxes inthe us, because that's that we
don't do that yeah, um, but yeahread is italian ice.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, you know, right atms I think you said that.
So anywhere somebody's to stopand be like huh.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
And you know what?
My favorite is going up to thetoll and just going smack and
then just driving through.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I didn't know you did that.
That's a new one for me.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Dude, that was the idea from the homie.
He was like you should getstickers and do this, and I was
like you know what I was like?
That's a good idea and I livedto be able to do that.
So thanks for the inspiration.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
But, yeah, just being able to do that was just like
whoa and we were looking at, youknow, the kind of information
panel and seeing you know wewere getting scans.
You know that that started offsmall but then it picked up
really quick.
We were getting like five a day, which was per our metrics,

(56:06):
considering that it would havebeen zero.
Um, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, you know, all around the world I think the
cool thing about that is allaround the world and the the
reason for that is anywhere Itraveled yeah, or anywhere
anyone either yeah, he, anyonethat I either gave the sticker
to or sent stickers to whereverthey went as well.
So, like it's like two levels.

(56:32):
Yeah, kevin bacon out there.
Okay, that's what, it is allright and let me tell you, it's
cool because, let me, let me,let me put one thing out there.
That's really important with aQR code.
There's two types of QR codes.
There's a static QR code andthere's a dynamic.
Good point, good point, okay.
And the static QR code is onethat you can't change.

(56:55):
And I change by, say, you putthe sticker up today and someone
scans it oh cool, it's yourcurrent release, all right.
Well, tomorrow or next weekcomes up and I want that same
sticker that's already beenslapped up on the toll to be a
different track that I'mpromoting, because it's been a

(57:16):
week later.
I got a new track out beingable to change that.
That is a dynamic QR code andit's very important that that's
what you have.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
The way to describe it is more of like a redirect.
So we've got the QR codepointing to one place and then
it stems off to wherever we needit to be.
So at the moment it's for orfor.
Most of the time it's always to.
Whatever the current release is, um, but say, if we wanted to,

(57:50):
we could have it go to, um, youknow?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
video page or the youtube or the instagram.
Yeah, it can, it can goanywhere.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
So it's very versatile and for you know the
fact that we've done it and weput them everywhere like it's
cheap.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
That's one of the cheapest form of guerrilla
marketing that you can, andsomething we we really want to
talk about is cost-effectiveways.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
What do you think are some other cost-effective ways
for an artist to get their musicheard or named or brand out
there?
Well, I was just going tofinish off on what you were
saying there about going around.
It's like killing two birdswith one stone.
You did it when you went togreece.
I've done it around london inthe uk.
I've done it to other places inthe uk as well.
Um, I'm trying to think you'vebeen all around iceland, ireland

(58:51):
, baltimore, pennsylvania yeah,you've, you're, it's everywhere.
And brazil, yeah, and so.
And so we get all types of scans, because sometimes we can see
what the approximate….

Speaker 2 (59:06):
And Nick shout out to Nick too.
My little mans, I had to dothat, sorry.
No, you do that.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
And yeah, you see all these different locations.
You think these people areconsuming my content, whether
they're scanning it and thenimmediately closing it.
I think?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
do you think a lot of people do that.
If, let it be, came upeverybody.
I swear, if it was leave me bethe exit.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I'd be peeling that sticker back off and scrunching
it up and throwing it in yourphone.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
The next time, if lean evie ever plays on your
phone again, yeah, just burn it,burn the damn thing.
No, I'm glad you told me thatthough it's it helped, it really
does help me kind of practicewhat I'm trying to preach, I
guess yeah, and it's just likeyou know they'll, they'll scan
them.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
But I think on an emotional level, you see the
people coming in from you knowdifferent parts of Brazil,
reykjavik in Iceland, and youknow London and Dublin and
things like that, and you seethat on the panel.
You think my music or, in yourcontext, your music is worldwide
.
I found you when I was sittingin my bedroom in the UK and uk

(01:00:17):
and you know the fact that thenyour music is going out to
people that you know canbasically listen to it anywhere,
bar maybe, like north korea.
Um, is is really cool becauseyou end up with such an
international audience thatdoesn't necessarily speak the
same language, but they allspeak the language of music dude
, let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
You reaching out to me has changed my freaking life
and I'm so appreciative of youand all of the other, the pieces
of the puzzle that has becomewhat I'm proudly able to call.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
You know just my, my musical brand, and empire empire
right, we got to reach for the,for the, for the skies for sure
, and I'd say it's an empire aswell, because it's not just me
and it's not just myself and thepeople that are part of my
company.
You've got everything and it'svery developed.
I think the one thing that umhappened kind of when I came

(01:01:27):
into the picture with a wall,was you made your team and
you've got your kind of likeinner circle and I'd say that's,
that's me that's what I'm at,for sure um, but then you've got
your, you know your supportnetwork and everyone that's
there that is able to, you know,help, help you do what you do

(01:01:48):
and it becomes an empire becausethere's just so many people
involved in the music that youmake.
It's not just thanks for sayingthat, it's not just Thanks for
saying that, it's not just yousinging into a little SM7.
It's you going singing, makingthe lyrics and then coming to me
and then saying I need coverart, I need a press release and
I need the website updated.

(01:02:08):
And then you going back to yoursound engineers and saying I
need it mixed, mastered and thenput up for release.
I need little edits done forsocial media, things like that
that you, you know, kind of pickpoints throughout and, again,
using the song release checklisthelps clarify the direction
that you go in.

(01:02:29):
But it's the fact that you'vegot you know you're.
You're not just a wall, a wallis we're not AWOL is us.
Us.
Yeah, that's our thing, it's acollective term.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
It's a we thing, Exactly, man dude.
Really thank you for paintingthat picture for me.
It really is awesome to be ableto know that I'm headed, that
we're headed in the rightdirection, and I want to thank
you for that Seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Definitely Do me a favor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Look up there and thank whoever you think lives up
in the sky, For sure you know.
Let people know what we were,you know, originally trying to
get to and the goals that we'retrying to, you know, help people

(01:03:23):
understand.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I think you were saying about like the
technology, and you know kind ofhow I've come into play with
that, your passion for it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I think finding one thing that I really want to try
and get across in this podcastis, you know, finding a passion,
and it's going to take a fewbefore you find the one, and you
know what, there's people outthere who have never found it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Okay, so you know, be grateful for the fact that you
still have an opportunity toyeah, you got brenda, who's you
know, working 50 years at thesame grocery store packing bag.
Did she just?
Pull brenda, oh my god, I justpulled the brenda card.
You did pull that brandy card.
I mean you know, hey, dude,it's you're right, I mean, but
that's, you know exactly whatyou're saying.

(01:04:15):
There's so many people that youthat don't kind of put
themselves not even out there,but even just kind of touch.
Nudge, a little nudge, a littlenudge, put their tone on and I
know from just knowing yourbackground and things like that,
like in the previous episodesof Respecting Perspectives, your

(01:04:37):
music background goes way backand and that's the one thing
that you know I would say loadsmore people need to do is just
dip their toe in, try somethingnew, do something that they
haven't done before, and if theyhave done it before, maybe try
and do it a different way.
There's not.
I mean obviously, don't get mewrong.

(01:04:59):
There are certain ways, certainpractices, things that you do,
where there's only one way ofdoing it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
There's a way to throw a fishing rod.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah, there's a way to throw a fishing rod.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I mean actually you know what so many ways to do so
many things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
There's a certain structure for certain things,
and this also leads into one ofthe talking points.
You know, for me being a gueston your podcast, it's kind of
there's so many things where itdepends and that was one thing
that I think I was really goodat not to kind of toot my own

(01:05:35):
horn Do-do you get a littlesound effect in there.
Kind of toot my own horn, youget a little sound effect in
there.
But, um, just being aware ofthere's many ways to do
different things and a lot of itwill depend on context that you
kind of just have to to sussout, you suss out the situation.

(01:05:55):
You can't just go in theresometimes and have the full
understanding, the full scope.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
You usually don't.
You don't usually ever have,like the full scope of anything.
Yeah, you know, even I guess,even like, well, I guess, your
life, you have the full scope onthat.
Yeah, because you're in controlof it, yeah, anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
I mean I guess that's out of scope, dude, yeah and
it's like you know, when youknow I put my fist out, you know
, to give me a fist bump therewe go, and that's reading,
reading the room, getting thatcontext and, and you know, again
, it depends if I, if I put myfist bump out and I, or if I put
my fist out and I didn't knowyou, you kind of be questioning

(01:06:37):
like, like what?

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
was he doing?
What was he doing Depends on ifhe had any like rings on or
anything, you know.
Yeah, a little knuckle-dusteraction.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
But yeah, I mean it just goes to.
You know, it depends.
There's so many things thatyou've done where the context
has probably been the mostimportant thing, because without
the context it's just ummonotone.
But you've been able to use thedifferent contexts, um, you

(01:07:09):
know, one one more recentexample was when, um, I was
doing some late shifts with myregular day job, and it was
something where I wasn't reallygiving my 100% to you and your
music and you were able to onekind of call me out for it,

(01:07:30):
which fair play.
But then two, having the contextafter the fact, because we
called and we said or I said toyou, hey, I'm working some
really late shifts.
You then took that context andwere able to work around my
timeline and be able to putthings in the schedule that were

(01:07:55):
digestible enough for me tostill work on and then start
getting other people, still befocused with your personal life.
Yeah, and keeping anequilibrium.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Balance, all about balance.
Yeah, equilibrium anequilibrium.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Balance is all about balance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, equilibrium.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Equilibrium I like that word, that's pretty cool
and yeah, so you were able to dothat with the additional
context that there's certainthings that need to be accounted
for, obviously notwithstandinganother word that I like there's
certain situations where youjust can't plan for it.
Something happens and it justclicks.

(01:08:33):
You need to get up and go tothe hospital for something
that's happened, or you forgotthat you had an appointment, or
things like that and you justneed to kind of pivot you do a
180.
And that's something that Ithink again, you know we're
we're quite good at.
We're very dynamic and able toadapt to different situations

(01:08:56):
dude.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Uh, this, listen man.
This conversation has beenfreaking amazing and like
getting to hear some of the thetalking points behind.
You know some of the ways.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, getting it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Dude, and it really ties true to you.
Know, you just said it likeputting yourself out there, you
know, and sometimes when you'reputting yourself out there it's
kind of vulnerable.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, Like you're kind ofputting your emotions and your

(01:09:45):
song itself so that that way youcan connect in a way that you
know it can be felt by byeveryone.
Yeah, you know who goes throughemotions.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
It's like with the press releases like you know, we
try and, or I try and say, youknow, certain emotions that
someone might feel when they'relistening to, to a particular
track, but it all depends onwhat someone else takes from it.
I can give little tidbits of,you know, oh, this song's a

(01:10:19):
little bit more melancholy andsad and solemn and stuff like
that.
Or this one's really upbeat andit's kind of, like, you know,
hype and things like that.
But again, going back tocontext, someone else may listen
to it and think I'm in a toughsituation.
This song is my, my motivation,and there's been times where

(01:10:40):
I've listened to your music, um,and it's got me, not, uh, you
know, solely through, becauseyou know there's other factors
and things like that.
But I would say having themusic is one part of the process
, right, and you know,especially like the relationship
that you know we've got withyour music is very, very unique

(01:11:04):
and I would say that 9 out of 10.
Ten people, 9.95 out of 10people wouldn't have that
relationship with the music thatthey consume wouldn't be able
to understand or, I guess, getto a particular type of exactly
level yeah, agree, 100, and it'sjust something where I've been

(01:11:24):
able to use it to help methrough things.
And I've told you how itrelates to what I'm going
through, and then you said oh, Inever, never thought about that
or, you know, hadn't conceivedthat it could help someone in
that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Damn Shout out to the podcast, being able to, you
know, help somebody throughsomething man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Music is the medicine .
Music is the medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Music is the medicine so let me ask you something.
I mean, I love that right.
Music is the medicine.
Let me ask you you know, arethere any things that?
Is there anything that you wantto leave?
Um, you know the, the guestswith um, either you know
something, maybe unique aboutyourself, or maybe a secret that

(01:12:09):
you know you never told anybody, or like I don't know something
, like something stupid.
It's not really like if you hada superpower, if you had any
superpower, if I had asuperpower, it'd probably be
teleportation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Damn, I'm a guy who there's 24 where do you go?
I'm everywhere and that's whatsome of the people that know me,
um, you know, even like youknow back in the uk, um they'll
say you know, you're such a busyguy and there's 24 hours in a
day and I I use 23 of them likeI, I will I will do everything

(01:12:51):
in my power to make sure thatI'm getting as much done, I'm as
productive as possible and thatthere's, um, you know, kind of
just extra bits that I can do toeither make my life easier in
the future so you know doinglittle setups for you know,
tomorrow's work, um or I'm doingwork that is able to help other

(01:13:13):
people and I'm very much anadvocate for, you know, doing
one kind thing a day and makingsure that you're, you're giving
back, sometimes shout out tokindness.
Yeah, exactly, there's.
There's certain things whereyou kind of have to bite your
lip and be like, yeah, I'mgiving my time and I'm not being

(01:13:33):
paid for it, but it's helpingsomeone out massively.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I like that you're getting that message out here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, it's just plain and simple kindness that I
think a lot more people need todemonstrate.
A lot of people.
You ask them, you say you know,help someone, and they go, yeah
, yeah, okay, and they'll agreewith the message, but then they
won't actually go and do it, andI think the demonstration

(01:13:59):
aspect of you know, acting onkindness is something that needs
to be a lot more prevalent.
Uh, in in today.
So making sure that you'regoing out and you're doing your
good deed, it doesn't have to beanything large.
Uh, you know, a really clicheone is opening the door for
someone and even like when youand I went out for breakfast

(01:14:21):
this morning um, you know, youopen the door for the, for the
lady in the wheelchair oh shoot,thanks, man and you know it's
just little things like thatthat you know people pick up on.
As you know it builds yourcharacter.
You know you're a kind guy atheart already, but then to
demonstrate that you go out andyou hold the door open and not

(01:14:43):
through like a pity or anythinglike that, you're just doing it
out of of you know, it's justpart of my mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Just open the door and it goes a long way dude, I
love that we can have aconversation that goes from what
your superpower is to you know,being being kind, and kindness
is the superpower.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Kindness is the super along with teleportation Along
with teleportation Along withteleportation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Dude, listen, man, I really am so appreciative to
have you on the RespectingPerspectives podcast and it's an
honor to.
Any time you're coming aroundPhilly or Baltimore we can hit
this up again.
We can talk about so manythings as much as we want to
come, come up with, we reallycan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
And, uh, I'm excited for your, your future as as an
entrepreneur well, I think theone final thing which, um we
were talking about earlier wasthat a phone you know it doesn't
have to be the latest iphone-but just a phone which actually
you know or you got

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
your one.
Okay, I got, I got a segmentreal quick.
Let's do a side segment realquick, yeah, all right.
Hello, who's this?
Oh, this is chris's youngerself.
Okay, okay, I see you.
Um, yes, uh, you know whatactually?
Um, I got somebody with hang up, hang up, hang up, no, ain't
that, ain't adding if you can'tplead the.

(01:16:08):
I got somebody with me Hang up,hang up, hang up, no, ain't
adding in If you can't plead thefifth.
I got somebody with me rightnow who just wants to have a
little conversation with youreal quick and just maybe, you
know, just talk to you for asecond man.
Here you go, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
You have reached the voicemail of Chris.
Please leave a message afterthe tone beep now.
Um, what I would say to myyounger self is you tell him,
dude, get, get started earlier.
Um, you know, just doeverything that you feel like
you can do, try something new,uh, and take risks not rest, not

(01:16:48):
reckless risks, but take risks,um, because there are certain
things where you reach an agewhere you don't have the ability
to pull the I'm just a kid cardand you should be trying to
pull that as often as possible,in my opinion.
Um, you know, you, you startfrom a young age, you develop
your skills and your talents andyou want to try and just do

(01:17:14):
everything.
Do everything once.
Does he hear you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
yeah, I think he does he's still connected, love it I
love it, dude, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
And yeah, just just make sure that you're still
doing.
You're doing your thing.
You have your core interestsand your core beliefs, but it
doesn't hurt to, you know, trysomething different every once
in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
So I'll pass you back .
Yeah, listen, you end up beinga pretty cool mofo.
All right, peace, all right.
Listen, thank you so much forbeing here, dog man, this has
been amazing, amazing man.
I'll remember this forever.
And dude, our story issomething that I will forever be

(01:17:53):
grateful for, and I'm soexcited to be able to use this
relationship and and turn itinto you know what it is what it
is and what it could be that wedon't even know about yet, and
it all started just with justthe phone just with the phone
and on the request line andbeing able to make that text

(01:18:15):
message to you was, was the mosttransformative thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
I think you know sending that text message saying
yo, I've, I've found your music.
Can I listen?

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Nice man.
Thank you so much for openingup and maybe talking about some
things that are kind of close toyour heart.
But you know what man?
Getting that stuff out andbeing able to hear it for
yourself, yeah get it on therecord.
Yeah, get it on the record attimes when you were proud and
times where you were excited andtimes where you were ornery,
and times where you were excitedin times where you were, we're

(01:18:47):
uh, ornery and times where whereyou were just like kind of
delicate, you know like you likeyou're dealing with situations
and there's so much going onaround you and you know what I'm
proud of you for for all of us,for you know showing up for
each other and and and you knowdoing doing what's right and and
honestly like doing what's kind.
So let's end it on the kindnessnote.

(01:19:08):
All right, yo do something kindfor somebody today.
All right, awol and Chris,peace Out, peace, I'm out.