In this episode of Retire with Style, Wade Pfau and Alex Murguia talk with William Bengen, pioneer of the 4% rule in retirement planning. They explore the rule’s evolution, how inflation and market valuations shape sustainable withdrawals, and Bengen’s current recommendations. The discussion highlights the role of asset allocation, the importance of withdrawal strategies, and why ongoing monitoring is essential for a secure retirement.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Retirement Income Planning
01:14 The Birth of the 4% Rule
03:03 Understanding Withdrawal Rates
09:15 The Impact of Inflation on Withdrawals
12:45 Market Valuation and Its Effects
18:07 Current Withdrawal Rate Recommendations
21:10 Asset Allocation Strategies
24:04 Free Lunches in Investment Strategies
27:34 Key Takeaways from A Richer Retirement
31:15 Future Research Directions
Links
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