February 10, 2024 • 59 mins
Have you ever met someone whose life seemed to be a beacon, guiding others to their true north? Meet Roz Clark, our vibrant guest and dream doula, who has dedicated herself to awakening the sleeping giants within women, helping them birth their dreams into reality. Roz's journey is an odyssey from singing in the streets of Paris on her 21st birthday, through the valleys of motherhood with a special needs child, to rising as a champion for authenticity. Her story isn't just about personal triumph; it's a masterclass on transcending the ordinary, a life painted with the bold strokes of passion and purpose.
Our conversation with Roz takes us through the delicate terrain of human relationships, unraveling the often invisible threads that bind us to the role of rescuer. From vivid childhood memories of sheltering a disadvantaged friend to navigating a stormy marriage, Roz's reflections serve as a mirror for many of us. But it's the metamorphosis from protector to empowered guide that truly defines her tale. As Roz opens up about transforming her life's greatest challenges into a beacon for others, you might just find the keys to unlock your own patterns and step into a life of service that uplifts rather than burdens.
The crescendo of our time with Roz is a heart-to-heart on the essence of personal freedom and inner peace. How often do we wear the mask of success, chasing external validations at the cost of our true selves? Roz's candid recount of her own epiphanies in this realm acts as a gentle yet firm invitation to embrace the stillness, listen to our inner wisdom, and honor our greatest potential. Join us as we explore these profound insights, and you may discover that the greatest journey you'll ever embark on is the one that leads you back to your authentic self.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Nothing is permanent except our souls.
That is why we need to cometogether, traveling through one
another's countries, creating abridge, removing all the labels
and just coming together as onepeople, finding our home in one
world, and that is why oursignature talk today is so
(00:41):
important.
Today I have the guest honor ofwelcoming Roz Clark to the show
.
Roz, thank you so much forbeing on the show today.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited If you could justgive a little bit of
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introduction to the world of whoyou are.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Who I am Once upon a time.
That's usually how I start out,because I'm a dream dula.
That's really the work that Ido.
I help people, especially women, women who feel trapped in the
lives that they've created.
I help them to give birth totheir dreams.
I help them to show up fullyand authentically as their
selves and create the impact inthe world that they really want
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to do.
So that is my heart's passion,that is my calling.
I would say that from the timeI was a child, I knew I was an
artist, because I believe thatwe were created by a divine
creator to be creative.
So I started out in arts andentertainment and through just a
series of amazing experiencesSome were 50 shades of crazy,
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and yet they brought me to thepath and to the place where I'm
able to help, support people tomove into their gifts and into
their greatness.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I love that so much.
The whole concept of bringingpeople's dreams alive is
something that I feel like is sofractured for a lot of people,
because they seem to suppresswho their authentic truth self
is and not allow those dreams toreally surface and come to life
(02:26):
.
So I think this is reallybeautiful work, and I would love
to know where did this comefrom?
Like, did this start when youwere a little girl?
How did this happen?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, absolutely, I was always a dreamer.
I grew up in a blue collarworking class neighborhood in
Pittsburgh, pennsylvania.
I came of age through like well, I was a young child in the 60s
, came of age in the 70s, intothe 80s, and so, while where I
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was from especially being awoman of color was not
necessarily like the dreams thatI had were so much bigger than
where I was from, I always sawmyself on stages.
I always saw lights on me.
I always was like, oh, I can dothis.
And it started with somethingas simple as my mom taking us to
the ice capades every year, andthere was lights and music and
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skating and all of that.
I was like, oh my gosh, I wantto do that.
I can't skate, but I can sing,so let me just do that.
And so I've always had thisinherent joy.
You know, I'm just thisenergetic, joyful person, and so
it doesn't mean that life isalways perfect.
And yet I realized that life isalways perfecting me, and so I
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just dared to dream.
And so I turned 21 in Paris,you know, which is like unheard
of being from where I'm from,and I was singing with a
classical choir at the time, andso I was on track to have an
international career as aclassical soprano and when I
came back to the States I gotmarried.
I was still working on my craft.
I got married and my secondchild, my son, was born with
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special needs, and that changedmy trajectory.
And so I began to help otherpeople make their dreams come
true, because I had made thechoice to be an advocate for my
son and create as much normalcyas I could in a crazy situation
for my daughter.
So, yeah, I've been this girlsince I was a little girl, like,
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oh, you can do it, come on, youknow those movies.
Come on, kids, let's have ashow.
So I've always been that, yes,we can do it, let's go for it,
let's you know.
Let's just be who we can be andyou be who you want to be and
like.
So that's just been my joy andmy passion and how I show up in
the world.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And did you have any of this inspiration come from
one of your family members orsomebody who was an acquaintance
Like?
I feel like you were nudged aswell, because for most children,
you know it's more like sitdown, be quiet.
You know it's not go out thereand you know be on a stage, a
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world stage nonetheless.
So we're like who helped guideyou into this?
You?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
know it.
I can honestly say it was adivine calling.
You know, like my, my family.
Well, you know, when I wasyounger and was like I was in
dance classes and the recitalswere cute, you know, like they,
they were okay with that, andyet the the magnitude of my
dreams and my passion were veryscary for them.
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You know, like I remember mydad saying to me one time honey,
you're smart, you could have areal job.
You know.
So being an artist was notnecessarily an honorable
profession.
You know from where I came from, and so I think in some ways it
was more tolerated like she'sgoing to do it or she, that's
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who she is.
And so I've just always hadthis internal drive and this
internal fortitude.
And so myself and my, my, mycousin were basically the only
artistic people in my family.
My cousin was actually theoriginal firebird for dance
theater of Harlem, so she was anamazing ballerina.
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And so, you know, I watchedArthur Mitchell.
You know, take her around theworld and put her in the
national stages.
But you know, by that time Iwas in my late teens, early 20s.
So that whole arc from the timethat I was a child was just
sheer determination.
Watching, you know, mgmmusicals and although there was
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no one who looked like me inthose movies, I still felt like
there's something about that tocall to the very core of who I
was.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I love that so much because the fact that you were
able to witness someone close toyou have that opportunity, it
really gave you the chance tolook at your world and say you
know what I can do this too.
I can just totally own this anddo this.
And it's amazing, but you endedup turning 21 in Paris.
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How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So it was super cool.
I was singing in a classicalchoir.
I was in college by then and so, like when I was coming up
again, I thought, like I'm thequintessential African-American
singer I grew up in the blackchurch, you know, singing gospel
music thought I was going togrow up and become either Patty
LaBelle or Diana Ross and changegowns Every other song you know
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.
And then every time Iauditioned for programs.
And when I was 13, I auditionedfor a program called the
Centers for the MusicallyTalented and they were like
you're an opera singer.
And I was like what?
So I had no point of referencefor that.
I didn't know who Lien TingPrice was at the time.
I didn't know who Mary andAnderson was at that time, and
so I was still a bit resistantto it.
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And then, when I auditioned,every college that I auditioned
for accepted me into their operaprogram and I was like, okay,
god, I get it.
So here we go.
And so that's well, that partof it happened.
And so I was touring.
We toured all of France, whichwas the most amazing experience.
And so that's how I came toturn 21 in Paris.
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And you know, like I said, Iwas like I can do this, I can
have this international career,and I knew that I was gifted and
I knew that I was talented, andthat's one of the things I will
say.
I had incredibly strong women inmy life.
My maternal grandmother wasthis four foot 11, just force of
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nature, and so there wasnothing that she didn't find her
way through.
And so, while they may not havenecessarily encouraged me to be
an artist, they encouraged meto value who I was.
I never felt less than, and sohaving that kind of core
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strength and from that femininespace was always really, really
affirming for me.
And you know, and I was at thesame time, I was also an athlete
, so I played, I playedbasketball, I was a power
forward in high school and Itell people all the time, I'm
the only soprano that you'llmeet who can hit a high C and an
outside jumper.
And so I had this beautifulbalance of masculine and
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feminine energy and I embracedall of that, and so that was
like, if I thought of it, it'slike let's go, let's go, let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's a really incredible, inspiring story and
the fact that you have thiscollection that is your life,
these beautiful moments, it'sjust so inspiring because I
think a lot of people just theydon't allow themselves to grow
like that because they have fear.
(10:07):
So what did you do with thisfear?
Did it ever creep up for you?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Not really.
And it's so funny because I getasked this question a lot and
like so many people you knowwill have the, you know, like
their breakthrough or their pushthrough was from a place of
fear or from a place of, youknow, imposter syndrome or
whatever that was.
And like that was, none of thatwas my story, like my
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imagination was so big, you know, and so bold, so I didn't
really have to push through thatkind of fear and so any
pushbacks that I got, you know,like, oh, you can't do this.
Who do you think you are?
People from where, who, wherewe're from, don't do that,
whatever.
That might have been the thingthat I had to push back from,
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and fortunately for me it wasnever an internal battle.
It was like and so and I thinkthat part kind of strengthened
me like, no, you don't get totell me who I am.
No, you don't get to.
You know, you don't get todetermine who I am.
I get to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wow, and that, that piece of you, because you did
touch on this just brieflyearlier.
There was this guidance, likethis internal calling.
Now, is that something that youconnected with, like throughout
your journey, or like I knowthere's this knowing right, but
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did you go further into thatconnection of knowing?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh yeah, absolutely Absolutely, because, like I said
, you know, growing up in thechurch, you know you had.
So that was the first kind ofexperience, exposure, whatever.
And then, of course, being anartist, you're exposed to so
many different people from somany different places and so
many different you know, schoolsof thought and lifestyle and
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all of that, and so I've alwaysbeen open to the dialogue and
open to the conversation andeven in that, like, growing up
as a kid was like you know, Iwas always the friend to the
underdog or the friend to the,you know, the weird kid or
whatever, and so that was alwaysa space that I felt comfortable
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in.
So, because I was strong enoughto show up as my fully and
authentically as myself, youknow I could hold space for
somebody else that people maynot have understood and
appreciated.
And what I know, you know,obviously in hindsight, in the
journey, because, again, we'realways being prepared and
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perfected in our journey, andnow I'm the mom of an adult son
with special needs.
So, you know, I am the epitomeof somebody who gets different,
you know.
And so, while I never thoughtthat that would be my journey, I
never thought that that wouldbe my experience.
When it became that I, you know, I mean I'm not going to lie
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you know, initially it's likeyou're in that faith place oh
God, fix him.
Oh God, fix him, oh God, pleasefix him.
And then what happened was Godfixed me, and so I settled into
what this journey is and wasgoing to be, and so, in showing
up as an advocate for him, youknow, it allowed me to again
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just find that peace and thatcomfort and that clarity of
knowing that all is well.
And I mean, and that was a big,that was a big ask, because we
were in and out of pediatricintensive care wards.
He had his first seizure whenhe was eight months old and you
have never seen anything sosmall, shake so hard.
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And so even in that moment ofsaying, okay, I've got to stay
centered, I've got to staygrounded, because you know you
got medical people going allover the place and my, you know
my husband, who was my husbandat the time, you know he's
nutting out and whatever.
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And so I had to be that kind ofcentering, calming, clear,
because I knew that if he wentbehind those doors him being my
son, without me being there,they would overreact, they would
overmedicate him.
They would over whatever.
And so, from that journey allthe way through today, you know,
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I've always shown up as a teammember in those situations so
that I could make sure that it'slike okay, this is what he does
, this is what this looks like,and, of course, asking questions
because I didn't knoweverything, and yet being calm
and centered and clear enough tocreate a space that they
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allowed me you know, theyallowed themselves to trust me.
So it was like this is notgoing to be one of these
screaming moms, she's not goingto faint, she's not going to
fall out.
So let's become a team and workon his behalf.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, If I could go back to what you just said a
moment ago, because I'm puttingthese pieces together you said
that when you were younger, youalways were the one that would
be a friend to the underdog orto that type of person.
What was it that drew youtowards these people?
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I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That's the honest and goodness truth.
I mean just a heart, you know.
I just I just had a heart forpeople.
I never wanted to see anybodypicked on or mistreated or you
know whatever that was.
And you know, in back in thosedays, you know kids, we fought,
you know, and so I was.
I was strong and I could fightand so, you know, so I could
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stand up to somebody and say,leave them alone, you know,
leave that person alone.
I, like one kid and I won't callhis full name, but his name was
Gregory, and you know people,you know he came from a really
rough situation and you couldtell it, and even the teachers
were unkind to him, you know,because he wasn't always clean
and he was different and all ofthose things.
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And while I don't know his fullsituation, I always liked him
and so when the other kidswanted to pick on him, it was
like no, you don't get to dothat, and if you want to pick on
somebody, pick on me.
And of course nobody wanted anyparts of that, and so that was
just something that was in me.
I can't say like, oh, I justalways wanted to be the champion
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of the underdog.
It was just like that's how youshow up, or that's how I showed
up.
That's all I can say.
There wasn't anything that I wastied or I felt like, oh, go,
save them.
It was just like who I was andhow I showed up in the world.
And what I will say, though, isthose natural tendencies can
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sometimes become a detrimentlater on in life, because I,
later on in life, kept showingup as a rescuer, and when you
show up as a rescuer with peoplewho are not honorable or who
don't have the skill set toappreciate it, then you put
yourself in harm's way, and sothere's always that pendulum
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that may swing too far in theother direction, and so, again,
looking in hindsight, thatlittle girl who wanted to
protect the underdog then becamethe woman who was in a toxic
and dysfunctional relationship,always rescuing my partner and
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having to rescue my family andall of those pieces, and so,
again, the things that are ourgifts can also be our challenges
.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's so amazing that you connected that the way that
you did, and there's so manylisteners right now that can
identify with what you're saying.
For women especially, we aretrained up to take care of other
people and then for some, toyour point, they take it an
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extra mile because they feellike this is part of the DNA of
a woman.
This is what we do.
So I know you had said thatpart of what happened with your
son also freed you, but I'mwondering, too, how much of this
connectedness to the rescuingis part of what you needed
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freedom from.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Oh my god, totally, absolutely, which is like that's
this part of my journey.
I stayed in that toxic anddysfunctional marriage for 30
years and then I walked awayfrom it.
So, for 30 years of saying wecan fix it therapy, prayer,
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whatever, eieio and, of course,yeah, having so when I put my
career on the back burner tocare for my son and then had to
care.
So what I did was I cared foreverybody and I didn't create a
space for people to care for me,and so, yeah, it was definitely
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a journey and having to ownsome things and that's always
what I'm about I'm going to ownmy part in it, and so my story
is not that sad, like I gave up30 years of my life, or I gave
up the best years of my life no,actually the best years of my
life for now, because I have somuch information, I have so much
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clarity, I've overcome so muchand I'm able to stand on my
story instead of getting stuckin my story, and so that's part
of the work that I do the womenthat I'm supporting is teaching
them how to not be stuck intheir story, but how to stand on
their story, and so, when youtake what you have and you take
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what you've experienced and thenyou can turn that around and,
one, use it to help people andtwo, use it to free people.
Because I built a business, Ibuilt a brand, I built an
identity around my ability totell stories, around my ability
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to create things that didn'texist before and my ability to
pull out the greatness in thepeople that are placed in my
path, and so it's a better useof that skill set, because now
I'm not trying to save everybody, I'm only serving the people
who are my assignment now.
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That's the lesson that Ilearned.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, right.
And what was the definingmoment for you to release that
old life?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So it's so funny.
I'm actually working on a PDFright now.
That's going to be something I,right now, probably just give
it away.
Ultimately, it'll probably be asold product, and it's all
around turning your content intocash, so taking your story and
turning it into a business, andthe piece in that though, to
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answer your question, one of thethings that I just got done
writing is nobody wakes up oneday and decides, oh, I think
I'll blow up my life today.
It doesn't happen like that.
It happens one disappointment ata time, one microaggression at
a time, one volatile blow up ata time, and then it becomes this
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cumulative experience thatyou're like, ok, this is 50
shades of crazy, and if I stayin this, I'm not going to
survive, and so I can't say thatthere was one major tipping
point.
So part of our challenge wasfinancial challenges, because
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this was somebody who wanted tolive in places that we couldn't
afford, and so this wholegrandiose thing of putting stuff
on for people who don't evenreally care about you, and so,
at one point in time, we'reliving in a $1.2 million home
and I come home from church andhave to roll quarters to get
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food for dinner, because thisperson was more interested in
living in a house that wecouldn't afford, and had we
lived within our means, we couldhave still lived a beautiful
life.
So some people care about theoutward appearance, and I've
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always been one that cared aboutthe inward experience, and so
finally, that was pretty muchtowards the end, like no, oh
hell, no, I'm not going to keepdoing this, like this is not who
I am, this is not what my lifeis, and I'm clear and it was a
long time coming, and yet I'mclear that they've made their
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choice and now I have to makemine, and so I chose me.
So the fixer and the rescuerchose to fix life for herself
and rescue herself, and that'sbeen a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's amazing and that's something that I feel
takes a long time for a lot ofpeople to recognize that.
And when they do recognize it,that cold hard truth of I have
some decisions to make andthey're not going to be
comfortable, they're not goingto be easy, and not everyone in
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my life is going to be OK withit.
Yes, and that's OK.
That's OK this time.
That we're experiencing rightnow is people are becoming more
and awareness of who they areand moving into that space of
living authentically.
I believe that there's justthis higher vibrational soul
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energy that is occurring withpeople and the lower vibrational
energy of other people thatbecome toxic in these
relationships.
There isn't the tolerance.
There was a point where peoplecould tolerate it more.
If you look back generationally,we have a lot of examples of
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that, it's true, but I feel likenow there is more intolerance
of those kinds of examplesbecause we have awareness, we
have education, we have it'salmost like there's this banning
of women and people comingtogether and saying you don't
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have to live like this.
This is not good for you, it'snot good for your family, it's
not good for your relations withall people.
Right, because it does.
It bleeds into your workplace,it bleeds into your friendships,
it bleeds into acquaintances.
So there's definitely moreawareness.
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I believe, and I think too withthat there's a flip side of it,
because with the awareness,there's also this awareness that
we have this incredible optionof choice, right, the women and
men and whoever are inrelationships with each other,
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their partners.
It's a choice.
You don't have to be with thatperson anymore, like I think
back to my grandparents and thatgeneration.
They would not have freely leftone another.
They would have stayed in thoserelationships despite whatever
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was going on behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Absolutely, and I can even say for sure for myself,
because integrity is reallyimportant to me and because my
word is really important to me.
So that was one of the thingsthat kept me there for a long,
long time.
Like I made a vow, I said thatI was going to do this and I'm
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going to do this, and then,finally, what freed me from that
was one just the verysimplicity of you get to change
your mind.
You know, it's really thatsimple.
So that was the simple part ofit, like you get to change your
mind.
And the other part of it wasyou came into agreement with
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someone who didn't keep theagreement, so the agreement had
been what was it I can't thinkof the word not revoked, but the
agreement had been betrayed.
You know what I mean?
It wasn't, it was a one-sidedagreement.
And again, it's not from aplace of a victim, because one
of the things that I actuallysaid to them was you get to be
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whoever you want to be, you getto choose whoever you want to be
, and yet who you are is notsomeone I want to be with, and
so when you get to the pointthat you can release people to
the outcomes of their choicesand not have any charge or
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energy attached to what thatoutcome looks like.
That's when you're free.
You know that's when you'refree because the first thing we
start comforting ourselves withis well, you know, carmen is a
bitch, you know like Carmen'sgoing to come and get them, and
yet if you're still leaning intothat, you're not free because
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you're attached to the outcome.
Like I said, when you can getto the place and say your choice
, go, go in peace.
You know, while they may notactually do that, because to
your point of what is happeningenergetically is that there is
this, this higher vibration thatis happening, and yet there is
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a darkness that is like, oh wait, a minute, we're losing, we're
losing the battle, we're losingcontrol, and so there's a a
revving up of that.
And so we who make the choiceto vibrate and to experience and
to show up at that space havegot to make sure that we're not
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distracted or dissuade by whatis going to come back at us,
because it is going to come fora while, it will settle
eventually.
And yet it's like anything elseIf something starts changing,
the first thing you're going toexperience is resistance.
So if resistance comes, don'tbe freaked out about it, just
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look at it and say, oh, I knowwhat this is.
This is resistance and thisdoesn't have anything to do with
me.
You know, protect yourself, yes, and yet don't own somebody
else's experience, don't getsucked back in to that vortex of
madness.
And that was, you know.
That was a big part for me,because it was like what do you
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mean?
You're not going to fixeverything?
What do you mean you're notgoing to take care of everything
?
And we were like one of thosecouples, you know, like, oh my
gosh, they're amazing.
And it's like, no, as a couple,we weren't amazing.
We looked like we were amazing,you know.
And what was amazing wasprobably that it lasted for 30
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years, you know.
And yet it's interesting because, again, even in the midst of it
, I never allowed myself to bethe victim.
And so, when I made the choiceto leave, I made sure that I was
clear on what my narrative was,what my story was.
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My story was you made thischoice, you stayed.
Then you made a better choiceand you left, and that's the
story, and there's no energyattached to any of them.
It was the journey and thestory.
And so, again, in telling thatstory it's like and now I get to
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show up and serve, I get toshow up and lead, I get to show
up and speak into the lives ofother women and say your voice
matters, what you do matters,your feelings matter.
No, you're not crazy and youcan't, you don't get a do over
from what happened.
You just get to release thatand walk into your gift and walk
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into your greatness.
That's where it is and, like,that part of your story informs
who you are in this moment.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Everything you said is so profound and so true, but
I also know that there's alsothis period of mourning that
happens with a relationship.
At some point, there is thisawareness that it isn't healthy
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for your soul to continue downthe path in this agreement and
there is a mourning process thatgoes alongside of that.
There is a lot of grace that yougive yourself with how you
share your story and I thinkthat is something a lot of women
can learn from, because a lotof people not just women, but
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people get entangled in thedetails and they want to hang on
to those details because thenthey feel validated, they feel
that they have something therethat gives them cause to take
the next step, whatever thatnext step is, even when it's
(32:44):
unpopular.
And it's not hard to rally thetroops and get people to be in
alignment in your army, I guessright when you have all these
reasons.
But to your point, that's nothelping your soul to heal, it's
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not helping you to move forward.
So for you guys, like as youwere going through this
experience, as you stated, youwere with your husband for 30
years, so at some point therewas this awareness and there was
this mourning and there wasthis process that you went
through to get to the pointwhere there weren't these
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attachments right that you wereclinging to?
How did you release some ofthat, like what were some tools
that you used to help you?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, and what I can say for me is I mourned my
marriage while I was in itbecause I watched it die.
So I was in it watching it die,you know what I mean.
And I would say I stayed 15years past the expiration date,
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and so that was the first pieceof it and the first part of it
for me.
And so all the goodies prayer,meditation, movement, therapy
all of those things, like everytool in the toolbox, and for me
and here's the thing too, toyour point, like, while I was
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going through this, becauseagain I'm this joy and vibrancy
and purpose person, that's who Iam, those are my words, those
are my qualities, those are allthe things.
And so, even in the anchoringin my faith and all of those
things that I had, I was like Idon't do stress.
And da, da, da, da, da, da da.
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And my body grabbed hold of meand said, yes, we do.
And so I had created thedis-ease of an autoimmune
disease, and so I say all thetime that if it does not come
out of your mouth, it will showup in your body.
And so, while I thought I wasokay and I thought that I was
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coping, what I understand wasthat anger and that rage and
that disappointment and thathurt.
My body had to work it out Now,fortunately, and I was in
really bad shape when it hit,and it hit overnight, like my
entire body just locked up and Iwas in the emergency room and
(35:27):
even in that I literally almostcrawled out.
I was like I need you to takeme to the emergency room and
then I need you to leave.
I did that part by myself andas my body, you know, and they
were giving me, you know,everything that they could think
of.
Nothing would release it all ofthat.
And so what I understood, andI'll never forget, because it
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was 2003.
And what I understood was okay,there's some other things that
you have to do, there's someother pieces that you have to
put into action, and my mantrawas it's all about me in 2003.
That was my mantra, and I founda really great therapist, so I
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was doing all the other stuffand so I added that layer on and
that was the piece of mefinally getting somebody to
support me, because I was alwaysthat anchor for everybody else.
And so now here I am, and itwasn't that I didn't have
friends who loved me.
You know what I mean.
It's not that I didn't havefriends who were necessarily,
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wouldn't have necessarily beenthere for me, and yet I actually
had people tell me you're thestrongest person I know.
I don't know how to helpsomebody as strong as you, and
what I had to learn how to dowas ask for the help that I need
, to articulate the help that Ineed.
So, like I said, the morningprocess for me was through the
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marriage, you know, through itending, and you know.
And at the time I finallydecided oh, you know what it's
been so long, I'll move into myown room, we'll live parallel
lives, it's cool, whatever.
And you know.
Finally, you know and it's sofunny because my therapist never
told me she was one of thosekind of let's explore and let
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you come to it, and the onlytime she ever said something
back was like she said you know,that's not normal, right.
And so when I finally was likeokay, how about?
What would a life look like?
It's just me?
(37:40):
What would a life look like whenI don't have to be strong or I
don't have to fix it or I don'thave to Endure it?
What would a life look likewhen I could just be tired.
You know that I could just bepresent with the hurt, that I
could be present with the pain,like what does that look like?
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And so that was a big, big partof the journey.
So no, it doesn't.
It doesn't happen overnight,it's not like again.
Just like you don't wake up oneday and say, you know, I'm
gonna blow up my life.
You also don't wake up one dayand say, okay, I'm healed, I'm
over it, everything's fine, I'mgood, fine, you don't get to do
that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So what does it look like?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It looks like Moving to Savannah, georgia, on Just
being led here, on having neverbeen here, moving across the
country, like you know, after Ihad gone through sheltering in
place, taking care of my adultSome of special needs with no
(38:50):
support and no, no contact fromhis father and Me saying, well,
you know what, I don't have tobe here.
You know, like I stayed in thestate, I stayed in California
because my son services werethere and all of that.
And then COVID shut all of thatdown and so it looked like when
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else would I want to live?
And Savannah just rose up in myspirit again, like I'd never
been here, and so I was like,okay, and then some things
happened that kind of opened upan opportunity to move, and so I
came down here for a weekendand I was like, yeah, this feels
right, this feels right.
And I came back and I gotonline and I found you know, I
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found a home that I really,really wanted and Felt like it
was mine, and then it went offthe market and I was like okay,
and then it came back on themarket and Then the guy was like
, why, I'm not sure.
And I was like you know whatyou make up your mind and hit me
back.
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And then it was like you knowwhat it's yours, come get it,
you know.
And so I got on a plane andmoved into a house site unseen,
because I knew that it was.
It was for me.
So that's what it looks like.
It looks like it looks liketrust, it looks like being
divinely led, it looks likeKnowing that all is well and
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it's not.
That stuff, again, is not crazy.
There was some crazy stuff thatI went through just through the
process, and yet it was likeAll things are working out for
my good.
Things are always working outfor me with ease and grace.
You know I am divinely led andprotected.
You know all of those mantrasare not words.
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They are Like when you likepeople say the word affirmation
and don't understand what itmeans.
It means that I affirm and Iagree With every part of my
being that what comes out of mymouth is the truth.
So, no matter what it lookslike, what I am speaking over my
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life and into my life is thetruth and I stand by that
affirmation Until it showsitself to be true.
That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I love that there's so many people that question
their guidance and for you toShare that.
The way that you did and justknow with every part of you that
this was for you is Profound,because I feel that a lot of
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people they ignore that part ofthemselves, they ignore that
guidance, they just think of itas a coincidence or, you know,
they push it down.
They don't want to acknowledgeit.
But I feel that the more youembrace it, the more that you
surround yourself in it andreally take it in, the greater
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the deeper, the more trusting itbecomes, because it's there for
you and everybody has access toit.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, yes, I Somebody was.
I was just listening tosomebody.
Oh god, I can't remember who itwas and what he said was you
are a mystic at your core andbecause for some people are like
, oh, that's too woo, woo orthat's too whatever, and it's
(42:32):
like no, it's really what we areLike, I said it's really simple
.
When you get down to it.
It's simple to say I Changed mymind.
It's simple to say I know I'msupposed to do that.
You know what I mean.
It's the other stuff that wehave that has been taught out of
us.
That has been like, again, youcan't do that, people don't do
(42:56):
that.
How are you gonna?
You know, and it's like, if youjust have, like the scripture
says, if you have a child, likefaith, if you're the faith of a
child and like and I know we alldidn't have the greatest
Childhoods, I get that and yetagain, there's a part of the
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purity of us then that knowingthat, knowing that it's like I
Know that I know that the methat I am supposed to be is in
here and no matter what all thisother stuff is happening
outside of me, whatever's comingagainst me, you know, if we can
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tap into, like some people callit, that still small voice,
some people people call itspirit, some people call it
intuition, some people call itguidance.
Whatever you call that, theknowing that that is the core of
who we are.
That is the truth, more thanthe core.
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That is the truth of who we are.
And and when we get back to thatsimplicity of Knowing ourselves
like that, like I know, myfavorite color is purple.
It's not deep, you know, theheavens didn't part.
That part inside of me knowsthat purple is my favorite color
(44:24):
.
Unicorns are my spirit.
You know, like you asked meearlier, I feel I have
compassion for the underdog.
Like that is just.
There's no like great Deep,whatever.
That is just how I'm wired.
And so when we just tap intohow we were wired and coming
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back to that's that statement Imade earlier that we were
created by a divine creator tobe creative when we just start
listening to what we're supposedto create you know, some of us
are supposed to create music andsome of us are supposed to
create peace and some of us aresupposed to create love and Some
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of us are supposed to createAccounting programs to balance
your checkbook All of that is aprofound gifting.
It's how we're wired, it's whowe are, and when we don't try to
conform to what we're supposedsupposed I'm doing the air
quotes, supposed to be and wejust move into who we are, it
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becomes really simple.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
The whole who we are has been slanted through
generations because of thissocietal narrative of being
something we're not.
We've lost our ability to findour way in some aspect because
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we've had a lot of programming,we've had a lot of Messaging,
whether it's from our parents orthe television, or, you know,
politics, all kinds of things.
So I feel that this work thatyou drew, that you're doing as a
dream doula, is it is reallyimportant work, especially in
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today's world, because it doesoffer the opportunity to
reconnect the person with theirsoul, authentic self and Get
them back on track, because Ifeel like we have gotten off
track.
We definitely have gotten offtrack and I don't feel that
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people necessarily have hadawareness About that until 2020,
when everyone was forced tostop and they couldn't run away
to their jobs, they couldn't runaway into their vices because
everybody was forced to stop andthey didn't know what to do
(47:04):
with those dark spaces inthemselves or they didn't know
how to handle some of the stuffthat was bubbling up internally.
So this time is so precious andso necessary, so that I love
that you're doing this beautifulwork of getting people back to
(47:25):
their connectedness, of theirtrue, authentic soul work and,
just like you as a little girl.
This is what you were doing andnow, here you are, all these
years later, able to share thisbeautiful gift with the people
(47:45):
that you're working with, andit's just really.
It's just such a beautifultestament of how life works for
us.
You had these experiences, butthey were all working towards
something and it has beenworking towards this and has
worked for you.
And amazing, it's just amazing,and I just remind the audience,
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when you're in a moment andyou're thinking it can't get
worse, and those are the momentswhere you embrace the
opportunity.
Yeah, it could feel really uglyin that moment, but there's so
much opportunity in thosemoments.
Sometimes those are the mostbeautiful moments because they
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flower into something that youwould never expect.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think of all the metaphorsCause again, because I'm an
artist and I've always enjoyedreading and mythology and all of
those things, like the sayingthat you get beauty for your
ashes or that the Phoenix risesfrom the ashes.
(48:59):
So there's always been ajourney and the cycles that keep
coming, they keep repeatingthemselves and like, yeah, for
us we're living in a time thatwe have seen and experienced
things we never thought that wewould.
You know, I'm grateful my momis still living and she's in her
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80s and so she is seen, like,obviously I've seen a lot, and
yet she's seen more than I have.
And so the things that no onethought we would ever see or
experience.
And then, like you said, then2020 comes and there's always a
reset.
You know, nature, nature abhorsa vacuum, so there's always
(49:44):
going to be a reset.
So this particular reset waslike whoa, you know?
And so it has shaken a lot ofpeople to their core.
There is definitely a what Icall a cosmic grief, like some
people don't even know whythey're angry, like they're like
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just like, oh my God, whathappened, or why do I feel this
way, or whatever.
And so, again, like I said,that those, the resistance and
all of those things.
And again, a lot of it ispeople are just grieving and
they don't even know whatthey're grieving.
That's the thing about it.
(50:26):
They're like I know I'm.
It's like when a little kidstarts crying, right, it's like
why are you sad?
I don't know.
Yeah, they're crying and you'retrying to figure out why.
And we have adults that don'tknow why they're sad, they don't
know why they're angry, theydon't know why they're afraid or
(50:47):
hopeless or whatever it is.
And if you just take a momentand get still and get quiet and
listen, just listen, you know,and to your point, we got
television talking at us andinternet and text and everything
(51:11):
.
And yet if we could turn all ofthat off and take that moment
to listen, because there's sucha piece and I don't know the
right word, there's a piece inthe stillness is profound,
that's how I'll say it.
It's so profound.
(51:32):
And yet people are afraid ofthat because it's like, oh,
what's gonna come up if I getquiet?
You know, like what are thevoices inside going to start
telling me?
And so it's like let me juststay busy and let me keep going.
And yet it just really is thatsimple and it's like don't be
(51:53):
afraid of who you are.
Do not be afraid of who you are.
And I think that that's one ofthe things and I think that's
probably one of my greatestgifts is, I've always been able
to be unapologetically me, likeunapologetically me and like I
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would love and I don't mean thisin a and see, even that I
usually don't even qualify itand yet for the listener, I want
the listener to know that it isokay to know how great you are.
It's okay to say I am friggingamazing, I am so good at XYZ,
and not like well, I don't wantto sound like I'm, no, I want
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you to embrace your gift andyour greatness, because when you
can come clear on who you areand clear on what your gift is,
that's when the friction kind ofgoes away, cause you're not
like will they judge me or do Ihave to judge them?
It's just like no, I'm bringingmy part to the party.
Here comes my part to the partywho wants to play.
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And when we come together likethat, loving who we are,
securing who we are, let's play.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, I love that analogy Cause it just creates
this visual of celebrating life,really just celebrating life,
and life is a beautiful thing.
It really is more beautiful themore we go into our journey
with full awareness of our trueself, because we can really feel
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the joy, we can feel the peace,we can be fully surrendered.
No, we're protected and we'resafe and it's okay to be a
thousand and 10% who we are andit's okay really.
And I do feel these times thatwe're in right now it is a
battle for our soul.
(53:56):
It is a battle because we haveso many forces that are coming
at us, but if we can be inawareness and we can see the
peace that we are bringing likeyou're saying, you know all the
gifts that we have that we canbring and just resonate on that
(54:16):
and bring them forward in such aprofound way and build off of
them, just like you're doingwith your clients it just
elevates that person into awhole nother soul, ascension,
awareness, right, and that'spart of the gift of growing and
(54:37):
being more than, but also being,just really being.
This conversation has beenreally incredible and, as I
shared with you before westarted, I never know where
they're gonna go and I'm alwaysintrigued with the twists and
(54:59):
turns and where we end up and Ithink it's really amazing and I
really wish so much love andpeace and joy and healing for
you in this new chapter, in thisnew place that you're residing
in and really healing your bodyin such a profound way that all
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that autoimmune disease goesaway and there's no longer a
piece of you because that pieceof you is healed.
And I just really see that foryou and see so much joy and so
much peace for you and love.
So I'm so blessed to have youon the show and I just can't
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thank you enough.
For us it's been reallyincredible.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Thank you.
The pleasure has beenabsolutely mine and the good
news is, like that part, I'mhealed.
So, yeah, fabulous, fabulous,yeah, so yes, but thank you,
thank you, thank you and thankyou for having me, and let me
just take just a moment, if youwanna indulge me and just allow
me to honor you and celebrateyou for listening to this call
(56:11):
and for having theseconversations and for moving and
putting this together andasking for people to come and
share their stories and creatinga platform and a space that we
can have these conversations andthen put them out in the world.
I just wanna thank you, I wannacelebrate you, I wanna
acknowledge you and just, youknow, say keep going, because it
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means something, it matters,and kudos to you for listening
to your still small voice.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
No, thank you so much and God bless you for that.
It's really beautiful and I'malways humbled because, as much
as I love doing this and as Ishared, it's just really a joy
just to have this experience,this human experience.
And I have no idea how ittrickles and ripples across, you
(57:04):
know, the globe and around theglobe, but I'm confident that
everyone who's meant to hear itis listening and hears it and
it's radiating through them aswell.
So it's just really beautiful.
And I have one final questionfor you, and this was God given.
(57:26):
So if I were to pick up yourearth angel feather off the
ground and I picked it up whatwould the message you have be to
the world?
What would your message to theworld be?
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Wow, Keep going, keep going Like, be present where
you are in that moment and, yetagain, not stuck in the story.
Just keep walking through itand just keep going and keep
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showing up fully andauthentically as yourself and
you will get and become and bein the moment who you were
designed and meant to be.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
I can't agree more about the keep going part,
because I feel that if we cankeep moving through discomfort,
then you're moving throughhealing and it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Absolutely absolutely .
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you so
appreciate everything you'veoffered to the audience and just
being here and, like I said, somuch love and peace and
everything, but it just what Isee is just such fullness in
your life, you know, movingforward and it's just really
(58:51):
beautiful.
So I'm super excited for youand just can't thank you enough.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Thank you, it's been my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
And for my audience listening.
Thank you so much for beingwith us today, so appreciate it
Again.
This is Catherine Daniels, withRetreat to Peace, reminding you
to live your authentic lifewith peace and, as always,
retreat to Peace and we'll seeyou next time.
Argued music.
Nothing is permanent except our souls.
That is why we need to cometogether, traveling through one
another's countries, creating abridge, removing all the labels
and just coming together as onepeople, finding our home in one
world, and that is why oursignature talk today is so
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important.
Today I have the guest honor ofwelcoming Roz Clark to the show
.
Roz, thank you so much forbeing on the show today.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited If you could justgive a little bit of
(01:04):
introduction to the world of whoyou are.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Who I am Once upon a time.
That's usually how I start out,because I'm a dream dula.
That's really the work that Ido.
I help people, especially women, women who feel trapped in the
lives that they've created.
I help them to give birth totheir dreams.
I help them to show up fullyand authentically as their
selves and create the impact inthe world that they really want
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to do.
So that is my heart's passion,that is my calling.
I would say that from the timeI was a child, I knew I was an
artist, because I believe thatwe were created by a divine
creator to be creative.
So I started out in arts andentertainment and through just a
series of amazing experiencesSome were 50 shades of crazy,
(01:55):
and yet they brought me to thepath and to the place where I'm
able to help, support people tomove into their gifts and into
their greatness.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I love that so much.
The whole concept of bringingpeople's dreams alive is
something that I feel like is sofractured for a lot of people,
because they seem to suppresswho their authentic truth self
is and not allow those dreams toreally surface and come to life
(02:26):
.
So I think this is reallybeautiful work, and I would love
to know where did this comefrom?
Like, did this start when youwere a little girl?
How did this happen?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, absolutely, I was always a dreamer.
I grew up in a blue collarworking class neighborhood in
Pittsburgh, pennsylvania.
I came of age through like well, I was a young child in the 60s
, came of age in the 70s, intothe 80s, and so, while where I
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was from especially being awoman of color was not
necessarily like the dreams thatI had were so much bigger than
where I was from, I always sawmyself on stages.
I always saw lights on me.
I always was like, oh, I can dothis.
And it started with somethingas simple as my mom taking us to
the ice capades every year, andthere was lights and music and
(03:23):
skating and all of that.
I was like, oh my gosh, I wantto do that.
I can't skate, but I can sing,so let me just do that.
And so I've always had thisinherent joy.
You know, I'm just thisenergetic, joyful person, and so
it doesn't mean that life isalways perfect.
And yet I realized that life isalways perfecting me, and so I
(03:46):
just dared to dream.
And so I turned 21 in Paris,you know, which is like unheard
of being from where I'm from,and I was singing with a
classical choir at the time, andso I was on track to have an
international career as aclassical soprano and when I
came back to the States I gotmarried.
I was still working on my craft.
I got married and my secondchild, my son, was born with
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special needs, and that changedmy trajectory.
And so I began to help otherpeople make their dreams come
true, because I had made thechoice to be an advocate for my
son and create as much normalcyas I could in a crazy situation
for my daughter.
So, yeah, I've been this girlsince I was a little girl, like,
(04:29):
oh, you can do it, come on, youknow those movies.
Come on, kids, let's have ashow.
So I've always been that, yes,we can do it, let's go for it,
let's you know.
Let's just be who we can be andyou be who you want to be and
like.
So that's just been my joy andmy passion and how I show up in
the world.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And did you have any of this inspiration come from
one of your family members orsomebody who was an acquaintance
Like?
I feel like you were nudged aswell, because for most children,
you know it's more like sitdown, be quiet.
You know it's not go out thereand you know be on a stage, a
(05:15):
world stage nonetheless.
So we're like who helped guideyou into this?
You?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
know it.
I can honestly say it was adivine calling.
You know, like my, my family.
Well, you know, when I wasyounger and was like I was in
dance classes and the recitalswere cute, you know, like they,
they were okay with that, andyet the the magnitude of my
dreams and my passion were veryscary for them.
(05:41):
You know, like I remember mydad saying to me one time honey,
you're smart, you could have areal job.
You know.
So being an artist was notnecessarily an honorable
profession.
You know from where I came from, and so I think in some ways it
was more tolerated like she'sgoing to do it or she, that's
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who she is.
And so I've just always hadthis internal drive and this
internal fortitude.
And so myself and my, my, mycousin were basically the only
artistic people in my family.
My cousin was actually theoriginal firebird for dance
theater of Harlem, so she was anamazing ballerina.
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And so, you know, I watchedArthur Mitchell.
You know, take her around theworld and put her in the
national stages.
But you know, by that time Iwas in my late teens, early 20s.
So that whole arc from the timethat I was a child was just
sheer determination.
Watching, you know, mgmmusicals and although there was
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no one who looked like me inthose movies, I still felt like
there's something about that tocall to the very core of who I
was.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I love that so much because the fact that you were
able to witness someone close toyou have that opportunity, it
really gave you the chance tolook at your world and say you
know what I can do this too.
I can just totally own this anddo this.
And it's amazing, but you endedup turning 21 in Paris.
(07:21):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So it was super cool.
I was singing in a classicalchoir.
I was in college by then and so, like when I was coming up
again, I thought, like I'm thequintessential African-American
singer I grew up in the blackchurch, you know, singing gospel
music thought I was going togrow up and become either Patty
LaBelle or Diana Ross and changegowns Every other song you know
(07:44):
.
And then every time Iauditioned for programs.
And when I was 13, I auditionedfor a program called the
Centers for the MusicallyTalented and they were like
you're an opera singer.
And I was like what?
So I had no point of referencefor that.
I didn't know who Lien TingPrice was at the time.
I didn't know who Mary andAnderson was at that time, and
so I was still a bit resistantto it.
(08:07):
And then, when I auditioned,every college that I auditioned
for accepted me into their operaprogram and I was like, okay,
god, I get it.
So here we go.
And so that's well, that partof it happened.
And so I was touring.
We toured all of France, whichwas the most amazing experience.
And so that's how I came toturn 21 in Paris.
(08:28):
And you know, like I said, Iwas like I can do this, I can
have this international career,and I knew that I was gifted and
I knew that I was talented, andthat's one of the things I will
say.
I had incredibly strong women inmy life.
My maternal grandmother wasthis four foot 11, just force of
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nature, and so there wasnothing that she didn't find her
way through.
And so, while they may not havenecessarily encouraged me to be
an artist, they encouraged meto value who I was.
I never felt less than, and sohaving that kind of core
(09:12):
strength and from that femininespace was always really, really
affirming for me.
And you know, and I was at thesame time, I was also an athlete
, so I played, I playedbasketball, I was a power
forward in high school and Itell people all the time, I'm
the only soprano that you'llmeet who can hit a high C and an
outside jumper.
And so I had this beautifulbalance of masculine and
(09:37):
feminine energy and I embracedall of that, and so that was
like, if I thought of it, it'slike let's go, let's go, let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's a really incredible, inspiring story and
the fact that you have thiscollection that is your life,
these beautiful moments, it'sjust so inspiring because I
think a lot of people just theydon't allow themselves to grow
like that because they have fear.
(10:07):
So what did you do with thisfear?
Did it ever creep up for you?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Not really.
And it's so funny because I getasked this question a lot and
like so many people you knowwill have the, you know, like
their breakthrough or their pushthrough was from a place of
fear or from a place of, youknow, imposter syndrome or
whatever that was.
And like that was, none of thatwas my story, like my
(10:35):
imagination was so big, you know, and so bold, so I didn't
really have to push through thatkind of fear and so any
pushbacks that I got, you know,like, oh, you can't do this.
Who do you think you are?
People from where, who, wherewe're from, don't do that,
whatever.
That might have been the thingthat I had to push back from,
(10:57):
and fortunately for me it wasnever an internal battle.
It was like and so and I thinkthat part kind of strengthened
me like, no, you don't get totell me who I am.
No, you don't get to.
You know, you don't get todetermine who I am.
I get to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wow, and that, that piece of you, because you did
touch on this just brieflyearlier.
There was this guidance, likethis internal calling.
Now, is that something that youconnected with, like throughout
your journey, or like I knowthere's this knowing right, but
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did you go further into thatconnection of knowing?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh yeah, absolutely Absolutely, because, like I said
, you know, growing up in thechurch, you know you had.
So that was the first kind ofexperience, exposure, whatever.
And then, of course, being anartist, you're exposed to so
many different people from somany different places and so
many different you know, schoolsof thought and lifestyle and
(12:02):
all of that, and so I've alwaysbeen open to the dialogue and
open to the conversation andeven in that, like, growing up
as a kid was like you know, Iwas always the friend to the
underdog or the friend to the,you know, the weird kid or
whatever, and so that was alwaysa space that I felt comfortable
(12:23):
in.
So, because I was strong enoughto show up as my fully and
authentically as myself, youknow I could hold space for
somebody else that people maynot have understood and
appreciated.
And what I know, you know,obviously in hindsight, in the
journey, because, again, we'realways being prepared and
(12:46):
perfected in our journey, andnow I'm the mom of an adult son
with special needs.
So, you know, I am the epitomeof somebody who gets different,
you know.
And so, while I never thoughtthat that would be my journey, I
never thought that that wouldbe my experience.
When it became that I, you know, I mean I'm not going to lie
(13:09):
you know, initially it's likeyou're in that faith place oh
God, fix him.
Oh God, fix him, oh God, pleasefix him.
And then what happened was Godfixed me, and so I settled into
what this journey is and wasgoing to be, and so, in showing
up as an advocate for him, youknow, it allowed me to again
(13:33):
just find that peace and thatcomfort and that clarity of
knowing that all is well.
And I mean, and that was a big,that was a big ask, because we
were in and out of pediatricintensive care wards.
He had his first seizure whenhe was eight months old and you
have never seen anything sosmall, shake so hard.
(13:57):
And so even in that moment ofsaying, okay, I've got to stay
centered, I've got to staygrounded, because you know you
got medical people going allover the place and my, you know
my husband, who was my husbandat the time, you know he's
nutting out and whatever.
(14:17):
And so I had to be that kind ofcentering, calming, clear,
because I knew that if he wentbehind those doors him being my
son, without me being there,they would overreact, they would
overmedicate him.
They would over whatever.
And so, from that journey allthe way through today, you know,
(14:41):
I've always shown up as a teammember in those situations so
that I could make sure that it'slike okay, this is what he does
, this is what this looks like,and, of course, asking questions
because I didn't knoweverything, and yet being calm
and centered and clear enough tocreate a space that they
(15:01):
allowed me you know, theyallowed themselves to trust me.
So it was like this is notgoing to be one of these
screaming moms, she's not goingto faint, she's not going to
fall out.
So let's become a team and workon his behalf.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, If I could go back to what you just said a
moment ago, because I'm puttingthese pieces together you said
that when you were younger, youalways were the one that would
be a friend to the underdog orto that type of person.
What was it that drew youtowards these people?
(15:40):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That's the honest and goodness truth.
I mean just a heart, you know.
I just I just had a heart forpeople.
I never wanted to see anybodypicked on or mistreated or you
know whatever that was.
And you know, in back in thosedays, you know kids, we fought,
you know, and so I was.
I was strong and I could fightand so, you know, so I could
(16:06):
stand up to somebody and say,leave them alone, you know,
leave that person alone.
I, like one kid and I won't callhis full name, but his name was
Gregory, and you know people,you know he came from a really
rough situation and you couldtell it, and even the teachers
were unkind to him, you know,because he wasn't always clean
and he was different and all ofthose things.
(16:28):
And while I don't know his fullsituation, I always liked him
and so when the other kidswanted to pick on him, it was
like no, you don't get to dothat, and if you want to pick on
somebody, pick on me.
And of course nobody wanted anyparts of that, and so that was
just something that was in me.
I can't say like, oh, I justalways wanted to be the champion
(16:51):
of the underdog.
It was just like that's how youshow up, or that's how I showed
up.
That's all I can say.
There wasn't anything that I wastied or I felt like, oh, go,
save them.
It was just like who I was andhow I showed up in the world.
And what I will say, though, isthose natural tendencies can
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sometimes become a detrimentlater on in life, because I,
later on in life, kept showingup as a rescuer, and when you
show up as a rescuer with peoplewho are not honorable or who
don't have the skill set toappreciate it, then you put
yourself in harm's way, and sothere's always that pendulum
(17:37):
that may swing too far in theother direction, and so, again,
looking in hindsight, thatlittle girl who wanted to
protect the underdog then becamethe woman who was in a toxic
and dysfunctional relationship,always rescuing my partner and
(18:00):
having to rescue my family andall of those pieces, and so,
again, the things that are ourgifts can also be our challenges
.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's so amazing that you connected that the way that
you did, and there's so manylisteners right now that can
identify with what you're saying.
For women especially, we aretrained up to take care of other
people and then for some, toyour point, they take it an
(18:35):
extra mile because they feellike this is part of the DNA of
a woman.
This is what we do.
So I know you had said thatpart of what happened with your
son also freed you, but I'mwondering, too, how much of this
connectedness to the rescuingis part of what you needed
(18:57):
freedom from.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Oh my god, totally, absolutely, which is like that's
this part of my journey.
I stayed in that toxic anddysfunctional marriage for 30
years and then I walked awayfrom it.
So, for 30 years of saying wecan fix it therapy, prayer,
(19:21):
whatever, eieio and, of course,yeah, having so when I put my
career on the back burner tocare for my son and then had to
care.
So what I did was I cared foreverybody and I didn't create a
space for people to care for me,and so, yeah, it was definitely
(19:43):
a journey and having to ownsome things and that's always
what I'm about I'm going to ownmy part in it, and so my story
is not that sad, like I gave up30 years of my life, or I gave
up the best years of my life no,actually the best years of my
life for now, because I have somuch information, I have so much
(20:06):
clarity, I've overcome so muchand I'm able to stand on my
story instead of getting stuckin my story, and so that's part
of the work that I do the womenthat I'm supporting is teaching
them how to not be stuck intheir story, but how to stand on
their story, and so, when youtake what you have and you take
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what you've experienced and thenyou can turn that around and,
one, use it to help people andtwo, use it to free people.
Because I built a business, Ibuilt a brand, I built an
identity around my ability totell stories, around my ability
(20:53):
to create things that didn'texist before and my ability to
pull out the greatness in thepeople that are placed in my
path, and so it's a better useof that skill set, because now
I'm not trying to save everybody, I'm only serving the people
who are my assignment now.
(21:15):
That's the lesson that Ilearned.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, right.
And what was the definingmoment for you to release that
old life?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So it's so funny.
I'm actually working on a PDFright now.
That's going to be something I,right now, probably just give
it away.
Ultimately, it'll probably be asold product, and it's all
around turning your content intocash, so taking your story and
turning it into a business, andthe piece in that though, to
(21:50):
answer your question, one of thethings that I just got done
writing is nobody wakes up oneday and decides, oh, I think
I'll blow up my life today.
It doesn't happen like that.
It happens one disappointment ata time, one microaggression at
a time, one volatile blow up ata time, and then it becomes this
(22:13):
cumulative experience thatyou're like, ok, this is 50
shades of crazy, and if I stayin this, I'm not going to
survive, and so I can't say thatthere was one major tipping
point.
So part of our challenge wasfinancial challenges, because
(22:37):
this was somebody who wanted tolive in places that we couldn't
afford, and so this wholegrandiose thing of putting stuff
on for people who don't evenreally care about you, and so,
at one point in time, we'reliving in a $1.2 million home
and I come home from church andhave to roll quarters to get
(22:59):
food for dinner, because thisperson was more interested in
living in a house that wecouldn't afford, and had we
lived within our means, we couldhave still lived a beautiful
life.
So some people care about theoutward appearance, and I've
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always been one that cared aboutthe inward experience, and so
finally, that was pretty muchtowards the end, like no, oh
hell, no, I'm not going to keepdoing this, like this is not who
I am, this is not what my lifeis, and I'm clear and it was a
long time coming, and yet I'mclear that they've made their
(23:43):
choice and now I have to makemine, and so I chose me.
So the fixer and the rescuerchose to fix life for herself
and rescue herself, and that'sbeen a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's amazing and that's something that I feel
takes a long time for a lot ofpeople to recognize that.
And when they do recognize it,that cold hard truth of I have
some decisions to make andthey're not going to be
comfortable, they're not goingto be easy, and not everyone in
(24:20):
my life is going to be OK withit.
Yes, and that's OK.
That's OK this time.
That we're experiencing rightnow is people are becoming more
and awareness of who they areand moving into that space of
living authentically.
I believe that there's justthis higher vibrational soul
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energy that is occurring withpeople and the lower vibrational
energy of other people thatbecome toxic in these
relationships.
There isn't the tolerance.
There was a point where peoplecould tolerate it more.
If you look back generationally,we have a lot of examples of
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that, it's true, but I feel likenow there is more intolerance
of those kinds of examplesbecause we have awareness, we
have education, we have it'salmost like there's this banning
of women and people comingtogether and saying you don't
(25:30):
have to live like this.
This is not good for you, it'snot good for your family, it's
not good for your relations withall people.
Right, because it does.
It bleeds into your workplace,it bleeds into your friendships,
it bleeds into acquaintances.
So there's definitely moreawareness.
(25:51):
I believe, and I think too withthat there's a flip side of it,
because with the awareness,there's also this awareness that
we have this incredible optionof choice, right, the women and
men and whoever are inrelationships with each other,
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their partners.
It's a choice.
You don't have to be with thatperson anymore, like I think
back to my grandparents and thatgeneration.
They would not have freely leftone another.
They would have stayed in thoserelationships despite whatever
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was going on behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Absolutely, and I can even say for sure for myself,
because integrity is reallyimportant to me and because my
word is really important to me.
So that was one of the thingsthat kept me there for a long,
long time.
Like I made a vow, I said thatI was going to do this and I'm
(26:58):
going to do this, and then,finally, what freed me from that
was one just the verysimplicity of you get to change
your mind.
You know, it's really thatsimple.
So that was the simple part ofit, like you get to change your
mind.
And the other part of it wasyou came into agreement with
(27:21):
someone who didn't keep theagreement, so the agreement had
been what was it I can't thinkof the word not revoked, but the
agreement had been betrayed.
You know what I mean?
It wasn't, it was a one-sidedagreement.
And again, it's not from aplace of a victim, because one
of the things that I actuallysaid to them was you get to be
(27:46):
whoever you want to be, you getto choose whoever you want to be
, and yet who you are is notsomeone I want to be with, and
so when you get to the pointthat you can release people to
the outcomes of their choicesand not have any charge or
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energy attached to what thatoutcome looks like.
That's when you're free.
You know that's when you'refree because the first thing we
start comforting ourselves withis well, you know, carmen is a
bitch, you know like Carmen'sgoing to come and get them, and
yet if you're still leaning intothat, you're not free because
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you're attached to the outcome.
Like I said, when you can getto the place and say your choice
, go, go in peace.
You know, while they may notactually do that, because to
your point of what is happeningenergetically is that there is
this, this higher vibration thatis happening, and yet there is
(28:52):
a darkness that is like, oh wait, a minute, we're losing, we're
losing the battle, we're losingcontrol, and so there's a a
revving up of that.
And so we who make the choiceto vibrate and to experience and
to show up at that space havegot to make sure that we're not
(29:13):
distracted or dissuade by whatis going to come back at us,
because it is going to come fora while, it will settle
eventually.
And yet it's like anything elseIf something starts changing,
the first thing you're going toexperience is resistance.
So if resistance comes, don'tbe freaked out about it, just
(29:35):
look at it and say, oh, I knowwhat this is.
This is resistance and thisdoesn't have anything to do with
me.
You know, protect yourself, yes, and yet don't own somebody
else's experience, don't getsucked back in to that vortex of
madness.
And that was, you know.
That was a big part for me,because it was like what do you
(29:58):
mean?
You're not going to fixeverything?
What do you mean you're notgoing to take care of everything
?
And we were like one of thosecouples, you know, like, oh my
gosh, they're amazing.
And it's like, no, as a couple,we weren't amazing.
We looked like we were amazing,you know.
And what was amazing wasprobably that it lasted for 30
(30:21):
years, you know.
And yet it's interesting because, again, even in the midst of it
, I never allowed myself to bethe victim.
And so, when I made the choiceto leave, I made sure that I was
clear on what my narrative was,what my story was.
(30:42):
My story was you made thischoice, you stayed.
Then you made a better choiceand you left, and that's the
story, and there's no energyattached to any of them.
It was the journey and thestory.
And so, again, in telling thatstory it's like and now I get to
(31:06):
show up and serve, I get toshow up and lead, I get to show
up and speak into the lives ofother women and say your voice
matters, what you do matters,your feelings matter.
No, you're not crazy and youcan't, you don't get a do over
from what happened.
You just get to release thatand walk into your gift and walk
(31:29):
into your greatness.
That's where it is and, like,that part of your story informs
who you are in this moment.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Everything you said is so profound and so true, but
I also know that there's alsothis period of mourning that
happens with a relationship.
At some point, there is thisawareness that it isn't healthy
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for your soul to continue downthe path in this agreement and
there is a mourning process thatgoes alongside of that.
There is a lot of grace that yougive yourself with how you
share your story and I thinkthat is something a lot of women
can learn from, because a lotof people not just women, but
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people get entangled in thedetails and they want to hang on
to those details because thenthey feel validated, they feel
that they have something therethat gives them cause to take
the next step, whatever thatnext step is, even when it's
(32:44):
unpopular.
And it's not hard to rally thetroops and get people to be in
alignment in your army, I guessright when you have all these
reasons.
But to your point, that's nothelping your soul to heal, it's
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not helping you to move forward.
So for you guys, like as youwere going through this
experience, as you stated, youwere with your husband for 30
years, so at some point therewas this awareness and there was
this mourning and there wasthis process that you went
through to get to the pointwhere there weren't these
(33:25):
attachments right that you wereclinging to?
How did you release some ofthat, like what were some tools
that you used to help you?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, and what I can say for me is I mourned my
marriage while I was in itbecause I watched it die.
So I was in it watching it die,you know what I mean.
And I would say I stayed 15years past the expiration date,
(33:57):
and so that was the first pieceof it and the first part of it
for me.
And so all the goodies prayer,meditation, movement, therapy
all of those things, like everytool in the toolbox, and for me
and here's the thing too, toyour point, like, while I was
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going through this, becauseagain I'm this joy and vibrancy
and purpose person, that's who Iam, those are my words, those
are my qualities, those are allthe things.
And so, even in the anchoringin my faith and all of those
things that I had, I was like Idon't do stress.
And da, da, da, da, da, da da.
(34:41):
And my body grabbed hold of meand said, yes, we do.
And so I had created thedis-ease of an autoimmune
disease, and so I say all thetime that if it does not come
out of your mouth, it will showup in your body.
And so, while I thought I wasokay and I thought that I was
(35:04):
coping, what I understand wasthat anger and that rage and
that disappointment and thathurt.
My body had to work it out Now,fortunately, and I was in
really bad shape when it hit,and it hit overnight, like my
entire body just locked up and Iwas in the emergency room and
(35:27):
even in that I literally almostcrawled out.
I was like I need you to takeme to the emergency room and
then I need you to leave.
I did that part by myself andas my body, you know, and they
were giving me, you know,everything that they could think
of.
Nothing would release it all ofthat.
And so what I understood, andI'll never forget, because it
(35:49):
was 2003.
And what I understood was okay,there's some other things that
you have to do, there's someother pieces that you have to
put into action, and my mantrawas it's all about me in 2003.
That was my mantra, and I founda really great therapist, so I
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was doing all the other stuffand so I added that layer on and
that was the piece of mefinally getting somebody to
support me, because I was alwaysthat anchor for everybody else.
And so now here I am, and itwasn't that I didn't have
friends who loved me.
You know what I mean.
It's not that I didn't havefriends who were necessarily,
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wouldn't have necessarily beenthere for me, and yet I actually
had people tell me you're thestrongest person I know.
I don't know how to helpsomebody as strong as you, and
what I had to learn how to dowas ask for the help that I need
, to articulate the help that Ineed.
So, like I said, the morningprocess for me was through the
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marriage, you know, through itending, and you know.
And at the time I finallydecided oh, you know what it's
been so long, I'll move into myown room, we'll live parallel
lives, it's cool, whatever.
And you know.
Finally, you know and it's sofunny because my therapist never
told me she was one of thosekind of let's explore and let
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you come to it, and the onlytime she ever said something
back was like she said you know,that's not normal, right.
And so when I finally was likeokay, how about?
What would a life look like?
It's just me?
(37:40):
What would a life look like whenI don't have to be strong or I
don't have to fix it or I don'thave to Endure it?
What would a life look likewhen I could just be tired.
You know that I could just bepresent with the hurt, that I
could be present with the pain,like what does that look like?
(38:02):
And so that was a big, big partof the journey.
So no, it doesn't.
It doesn't happen overnight,it's not like again.
Just like you don't wake up oneday and say, you know, I'm
gonna blow up my life.
You also don't wake up one dayand say, okay, I'm healed, I'm
over it, everything's fine, I'mgood, fine, you don't get to do
that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So what does it look like?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It looks like Moving to Savannah, georgia, on Just
being led here, on having neverbeen here, moving across the
country, like you know, after Ihad gone through sheltering in
place, taking care of my adultSome of special needs with no
(38:50):
support and no, no contact fromhis father and Me saying, well,
you know what, I don't have tobe here.
You know, like I stayed in thestate, I stayed in California
because my son services werethere and all of that.
And then COVID shut all of thatdown and so it looked like when
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else would I want to live?
And Savannah just rose up in myspirit again, like I'd never
been here, and so I was like,okay, and then some things
happened that kind of opened upan opportunity to move, and so I
came down here for a weekendand I was like, yeah, this feels
right, this feels right.
And I came back and I gotonline and I found you know, I
(39:34):
found a home that I really,really wanted and Felt like it
was mine, and then it went offthe market and I was like okay,
and then it came back on themarket and Then the guy was like
, why, I'm not sure.
And I was like you know whatyou make up your mind and hit me
back.
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And then it was like you knowwhat it's yours, come get it,
you know.
And so I got on a plane andmoved into a house site unseen,
because I knew that it was.
It was for me.
So that's what it looks like.
It looks like it looks liketrust, it looks like being
divinely led, it looks likeKnowing that all is well and
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it's not.
That stuff, again, is not crazy.
There was some crazy stuff thatI went through just through the
process, and yet it was likeAll things are working out for
my good.
Things are always working outfor me with ease and grace.
You know I am divinely led andprotected.
You know all of those mantrasare not words.
(40:41):
They are Like when you likepeople say the word affirmation
and don't understand what itmeans.
It means that I affirm and Iagree With every part of my
being that what comes out of mymouth is the truth.
So, no matter what it lookslike, what I am speaking over my
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life and into my life is thetruth and I stand by that
affirmation Until it showsitself to be true.
That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I love that there's so many people that question
their guidance and for you toShare that.
The way that you did and justknow with every part of you that
this was for you is Profound,because I feel that a lot of
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people they ignore that part ofthemselves, they ignore that
guidance, they just think of itas a coincidence or, you know,
they push it down.
They don't want to acknowledgeit.
But I feel that the more youembrace it, the more that you
surround yourself in it andreally take it in, the greater
(42:02):
the deeper, the more trusting itbecomes, because it's there for
you and everybody has access toit.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, yes, I Somebody was.
I was just listening tosomebody.
Oh god, I can't remember who itwas and what he said was you
are a mystic at your core andbecause for some people are like
, oh, that's too woo, woo orthat's too whatever, and it's
(42:32):
like no, it's really what we areLike, I said it's really simple
.
When you get down to it.
It's simple to say I Changed mymind.
It's simple to say I know I'msupposed to do that.
You know what I mean.
It's the other stuff that wehave that has been taught out of
us.
That has been like, again, youcan't do that, people don't do
(42:56):
that.
How are you gonna?
You know, and it's like, if youjust have, like the scripture
says, if you have a child, likefaith, if you're the faith of a
child and like and I know we alldidn't have the greatest
Childhoods, I get that and yetagain, there's a part of the
(43:16):
purity of us then that knowingthat, knowing that it's like I
Know that I know that the methat I am supposed to be is in
here and no matter what all thisother stuff is happening
outside of me, whatever's comingagainst me, you know, if we can
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tap into, like some people callit, that still small voice,
some people people call itspirit, some people call it
intuition, some people call itguidance.
Whatever you call that, theknowing that that is the core of
who we are.
That is the truth, more thanthe core.
(44:00):
That is the truth of who we are.
And and when we get back to thatsimplicity of Knowing ourselves
like that, like I know, myfavorite color is purple.
It's not deep, you know, theheavens didn't part.
That part inside of me knowsthat purple is my favorite color
(44:24):
.
Unicorns are my spirit.
You know, like you asked meearlier, I feel I have
compassion for the underdog.
Like that is just.
There's no like great Deep,whatever.
That is just how I'm wired.
And so when we just tap intohow we were wired and coming
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back to that's that statement Imade earlier that we were
created by a divine creator tobe creative when we just start
listening to what we're supposedto create you know, some of us
are supposed to create music andsome of us are supposed to
create peace and some of us aresupposed to create love and Some
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of us are supposed to createAccounting programs to balance
your checkbook All of that is aprofound gifting.
It's how we're wired, it's whowe are, and when we don't try to
conform to what we're supposedsupposed I'm doing the air
quotes, supposed to be and wejust move into who we are, it
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becomes really simple.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
The whole who we are has been slanted through
generations because of thissocietal narrative of being
something we're not.
We've lost our ability to findour way in some aspect because
(46:00):
we've had a lot of programming,we've had a lot of Messaging,
whether it's from our parents orthe television, or, you know,
politics, all kinds of things.
So I feel that this work thatyou drew, that you're doing as a
dream doula, is it is reallyimportant work, especially in
(46:22):
today's world, because it doesoffer the opportunity to
reconnect the person with theirsoul, authentic self and Get
them back on track, because Ifeel like we have gotten off
track.
We definitely have gotten offtrack and I don't feel that
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people necessarily have hadawareness About that until 2020,
when everyone was forced tostop and they couldn't run away
to their jobs, they couldn't runaway into their vices because
everybody was forced to stop andthey didn't know what to do
(47:04):
with those dark spaces inthemselves or they didn't know
how to handle some of the stuffthat was bubbling up internally.
So this time is so precious andso necessary, so that I love
that you're doing this beautifulwork of getting people back to
(47:25):
their connectedness, of theirtrue, authentic soul work and,
just like you as a little girl.
This is what you were doing andnow, here you are, all these
years later, able to share thisbeautiful gift with the people
(47:45):
that you're working with, andit's just really.
It's just such a beautifultestament of how life works for
us.
You had these experiences, butthey were all working towards
something and it has beenworking towards this and has
worked for you.
And amazing, it's just amazing,and I just remind the audience,
(48:11):
when you're in a moment andyou're thinking it can't get
worse, and those are the momentswhere you embrace the
opportunity.
Yeah, it could feel really uglyin that moment, but there's so
much opportunity in thosemoments.
Sometimes those are the mostbeautiful moments because they
(48:34):
flower into something that youwould never expect.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think of all the metaphorsCause again, because I'm an
artist and I've always enjoyedreading and mythology and all of
those things, like the sayingthat you get beauty for your
ashes or that the Phoenix risesfrom the ashes.
(48:59):
So there's always been ajourney and the cycles that keep
coming, they keep repeatingthemselves and like, yeah, for
us we're living in a time thatwe have seen and experienced
things we never thought that wewould.
You know, I'm grateful my momis still living and she's in her
(49:22):
80s and so she is seen, like,obviously I've seen a lot, and
yet she's seen more than I have.
And so the things that no onethought we would ever see or
experience.
And then, like you said, then2020 comes and there's always a
reset.
You know, nature, nature abhorsa vacuum, so there's always
(49:44):
going to be a reset.
So this particular reset waslike whoa, you know?
And so it has shaken a lot ofpeople to their core.
There is definitely a what Icall a cosmic grief, like some
people don't even know whythey're angry, like they're like
(50:05):
just like, oh my God, whathappened, or why do I feel this
way, or whatever.
And so, again, like I said,that those, the resistance and
all of those things.
And again, a lot of it ispeople are just grieving and
they don't even know whatthey're grieving.
That's the thing about it.
(50:26):
They're like I know I'm.
It's like when a little kidstarts crying, right, it's like
why are you sad?
I don't know.
Yeah, they're crying and you'retrying to figure out why.
And we have adults that don'tknow why they're sad, they don't
know why they're angry, theydon't know why they're afraid or
(50:47):
hopeless or whatever it is.
And if you just take a momentand get still and get quiet and
listen, just listen, you know,and to your point, we got
television talking at us andinternet and text and everything
(51:11):
.
And yet if we could turn all ofthat off and take that moment
to listen, because there's sucha piece and I don't know the
right word, there's a piece inthe stillness is profound,
that's how I'll say it.
It's so profound.
(51:32):
And yet people are afraid ofthat because it's like, oh,
what's gonna come up if I getquiet?
You know, like what are thevoices inside going to start
telling me?
And so it's like let me juststay busy and let me keep going.
And yet it just really is thatsimple and it's like don't be
(51:53):
afraid of who you are.
Do not be afraid of who you are.
And I think that that's one ofthe things and I think that's
probably one of my greatestgifts is, I've always been able
to be unapologetically me, likeunapologetically me and like I
(52:15):
would love and I don't mean thisin a and see, even that I
usually don't even qualify itand yet for the listener, I want
the listener to know that it isokay to know how great you are.
It's okay to say I am friggingamazing, I am so good at XYZ,
and not like well, I don't wantto sound like I'm, no, I want
(52:40):
you to embrace your gift andyour greatness, because when you
can come clear on who you areand clear on what your gift is,
that's when the friction kind ofgoes away, cause you're not
like will they judge me or do Ihave to judge them?
It's just like no, I'm bringingmy part to the party.
Here comes my part to the partywho wants to play.
(53:01):
And when we come together likethat, loving who we are,
securing who we are, let's play.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, I love that analogy Cause it just creates
this visual of celebrating life,really just celebrating life,
and life is a beautiful thing.
It really is more beautiful themore we go into our journey
with full awareness of our trueself, because we can really feel
(53:35):
the joy, we can feel the peace,we can be fully surrendered.
No, we're protected and we'resafe and it's okay to be a
thousand and 10% who we are andit's okay really.
And I do feel these times thatwe're in right now it is a
battle for our soul.
(53:56):
It is a battle because we haveso many forces that are coming
at us, but if we can be inawareness and we can see the
peace that we are bringing likeyou're saying, you know all the
gifts that we have that we canbring and just resonate on that
(54:16):
and bring them forward in such aprofound way and build off of
them, just like you're doingwith your clients it just
elevates that person into awhole nother soul, ascension,
awareness, right, and that'spart of the gift of growing and
(54:37):
being more than, but also being,just really being.
This conversation has beenreally incredible and, as I
shared with you before westarted, I never know where
they're gonna go and I'm alwaysintrigued with the twists and
(54:59):
turns and where we end up and Ithink it's really amazing and I
really wish so much love andpeace and joy and healing for
you in this new chapter, in thisnew place that you're residing
in and really healing your bodyin such a profound way that all
(55:24):
that autoimmune disease goesaway and there's no longer a
piece of you because that pieceof you is healed.
And I just really see that foryou and see so much joy and so
much peace for you and love.
So I'm so blessed to have youon the show and I just can't
(55:45):
thank you enough.
For us it's been reallyincredible.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Thank you.
The pleasure has beenabsolutely mine and the good
news is, like that part, I'mhealed.
So, yeah, fabulous, fabulous,yeah, so yes, but thank you,
thank you, thank you and thankyou for having me, and let me
just take just a moment, if youwanna indulge me and just allow
me to honor you and celebrateyou for listening to this call
(56:11):
and for having theseconversations and for moving and
putting this together andasking for people to come and
share their stories and creatinga platform and a space that we
can have these conversations andthen put them out in the world.
I just wanna thank you, I wannacelebrate you, I wanna
acknowledge you and just, youknow, say keep going, because it
(56:33):
means something, it matters,and kudos to you for listening
to your still small voice.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
No, thank you so much and God bless you for that.
It's really beautiful and I'malways humbled because, as much
as I love doing this and as Ishared, it's just really a joy
just to have this experience,this human experience.
And I have no idea how ittrickles and ripples across, you
(57:04):
know, the globe and around theglobe, but I'm confident that
everyone who's meant to hear itis listening and hears it and
it's radiating through them aswell.
So it's just really beautiful.
And I have one final questionfor you, and this was God given.
(57:26):
So if I were to pick up yourearth angel feather off the
ground and I picked it up whatwould the message you have be to
the world?
What would your message to theworld be?
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Wow, Keep going, keep going Like, be present where
you are in that moment and, yetagain, not stuck in the story.
Just keep walking through itand just keep going and keep
(57:58):
showing up fully andauthentically as yourself and
you will get and become and bein the moment who you were
designed and meant to be.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
I can't agree more about the keep going part,
because I feel that if we cankeep moving through discomfort,
then you're moving throughhealing and it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Absolutely absolutely .
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you so
appreciate everything you'veoffered to the audience and just
being here and, like I said, somuch love and peace and
everything, but it just what Isee is just such fullness in
your life, you know, movingforward and it's just really
(58:51):
beautiful.
So I'm super excited for youand just can't thank you enough.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Thank you, it's been my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
And for my audience listening.
Thank you so much for beingwith us today, so appreciate it
Again.
This is Catherine Daniels, withRetreat to Peace, reminding you
to live your authentic lifewith peace and, as always,
retreat to Peace and we'll seeyou next time.
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