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When my Canadian comrade Scott Manduck sits down to chat, it's not just about catching up — it's a deep dive into transforming one's life and health in the face of adversity. Scott's tale begins in the unexpected waters of holistic health when his wife's medical odyssey, sprawling from shoulder discomfort to crippling nerve pain, demanded a drastic course correction from traditional treatments to alternative avenues. This episode unfolds the narrative of a family's unwavering quest for wellness, intertwined with their discovery of the integral role dental health plays in our systemic well-being. Scott's story is a testament to the power of adaptability and the necessity for each of us to become lifelong learners in the quest for health.

The journey into the realm of self-care doesn't stop at the gums. As I recount with a dose of healthy skepticism, the promise of frequency-infused products beckoned, challenging my preconceptions with undeniable results. We probe the science of vibrational frequencies and Schumann resonance, revealing the profound influence these natural forces can have on our physical state. The conversation also ventures into the great outdoors, considering the healing embrace of nature versus the stifling embrace of urban living, and the pervasive, unseen hazards of electromagnetic fields from our ubiquitous electronic devices.

But it's not all about what ails us — this chat with Scott is also a celebration of natural remedies and proactive lifestyle shifts. Imagine swapping out your chemical-laden cleaning arsenal for the simple, yet potent, blend of vinegar and essential oils, unlocking not only a clean home but also an uplifted mood and a safer environment for your loved ones. This episode encapsulates the essence of a family's commitment to a healthier, more harmonious life, and it may just inspire you to rethink the ingredients, both tangible and intangible, that make up your own day-to-day existence. Join us for a conversation that's sure to plant the seeds of curiosity and growth in your own journey towards natural wellness.

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey you, wherever you are right now.
Thank you so much for beinghere with me today.
We know that we live in somevolatile times and we know that
the world is changing, so let'screate a bridge as we travel
through one another's countries,removing all the labels, coming
together as one people findingour home in one world.

(00:33):
And as we do this, this is whyour signature talk today is so
important.
I am so excited to welcome myguest speaker today, Scott
Mandog.
He is a friend from Canada andwe've already done an interview
previously where he'sinterviewed me, and I'm excited
to interview him today, and Ireally just want to say thank

(00:54):
you so much because I'm soexcited to have you here today,
Scott, because I know you have awealth of information our
audience could definitely use.
So thank you, thank you, thankyou.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Perfect.
Thanks for having me on theshow so excited.
That was such a great intro.
That was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, so.
So Scott is with us, fromCanada, as I said, and, scott,
you have an amazing, amazingstory, an amazing journey with
you and your family, especiallyyour wife, and as we have this
conversation today, I would just, you know, encourage you to
really engage us in a lot ofinformation around how this

(01:31):
process started for you and helpour audience understand it.
I know your story, but we wantto make sure that they have a
clear idea of what's happened inyour life.
So why don't we just getstarted from the top?
So like take us back a fewyears back, when this all
started for you, and whatexactly are we talking about?
Because I'm really creating amystery here.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, you are, I love it.
Dun dun dun.
Dun dun dun what we're going tobe talking about is
self-directed healthcare and howthat came to be in our life, as
this was not a normal situationthat we're living in today,
which we call self-directedhealthcare in our family, and
what we do and we educate aroundthe world.

(02:13):
Now.
Our normal world 11 years agowas I've been running my own
business for many, many years.
I'm in the printing andmarketing space for 25 plus
years and work with Google,microsoft, disney, adidas, nike,
toyota you name all the bigbrands.
That was my world and I livedthat world 10 hours a day, seven

(02:35):
days a week.
This was my life.
I have two amazing kids.
They're now 13 and 11.
My wife, she just turned 50.
She was an ultrasoundtechnographer and very popular
hospitals here in Toronto,canada, and about 10 and a half
years ago, our world changed alittle bit and as our world is

(02:58):
changing now and it willcontinue to change in different
directions and pivots here,there or ever I want you to
welcome that, because that iswhere education happens.
We really now say life is aschool, and it truly is, because
you're always learning, you'realways finding new things out,
good and bad.
It's just how you deal withthem and how you react and

(03:20):
change your path for the better.
We hope that will really changeyour life and your kid's life
and the way that you operate.
So, jumping into that, about 11years ago my wife started having
some weird odd symptoms thatturned into bigger ailments down
the road, and a lot of thosehad to do with when you're a

(03:42):
sonographer an ultrasound tech,if you will you always have a
sore shoulder, sore neck,because you've been doing it for
so long.
It was long hours.
You're always in a weirdposition and stuff like that.
So that was just a normal one.
It's like okay, it's just anultrasound shoulder, whatever,
we'll just put it off to that,we'll see, get some massage done
, maybe get some acupuncturedone, maybe even Cairo done.

(04:03):
And we're going through thosehoops and what was starting to
happen is more ailments and moresymptoms started to pile up on
top of them, because we didn'tknow what was really happening.
So the sore shoulder turnedinto headaches, turned into
migraines, turned into fogginess, turned into eye pressure, eye

(04:23):
soreness, loss of muscle massstarted to happen, nerve pain to
the degree, do you know?
When you sleep on your arm andit starts, you start to wake up
and it's sore for about six,seven seconds.
That was her entire body foryears, right, head to toe.

(04:43):
So then, obviously, foot pain,back pain, joint pain all these
started to compile on top ofthose other symptoms and we
started going through thetypical routine a normal person
would happen in North America,if you will is you see your
family doctor, you get bloodwork, you get an ultrasound, you
get a CAT scan, you get an MRI,you see a neurologist and you

(05:05):
start playing, you start goingaround and with that because
they're doing the best they canto really truly help you and
they are to the best of theirability in understanding what
your ailments and symptoms arethey start prescribing you
different things to try to helpdeal with those symptoms and
ailments.
So, with all that happening andnow being on Lyrica, which is a

(05:30):
nerve-glocking agent, literallyright, percocet painkillers,
antidepressants because anytimethat your body's in that sort of
mode we call it fire flightmode literally they start.
You start going down the rabbithole of depression, right,
anxiety kicks in and all theseother ailments start adding on

(05:50):
top of it.
So it started getting.
It was getting pretty bad andwhen she was, I think 41, 42,
somewhere around that time, herwalking up we have about 10
stairs, from our main floor toour second floor maybe 11 stairs
and for her to go from one stepto the next was literally like

(06:10):
step you wait a few seconds.
Next step, wait a few seconds,next step.
It was like there's no way thatthis is going to be our life.
You're 41, 42 years old andyou're walking up the stairs
like you're 150, it can't be.
So we started researching andobviously talking to our

(06:31):
practitioners and listening towhat they had to say, listening
to feedback like I know itdoesn't reside, it doesn't
really resonate with us.
Let's, we'll try some stuff,but let's keep on researching.
So we start researching at homeand this is where that
self-directed healthcare termthat we use a lot in our house
really came to be is we startedresearching everything we

(06:53):
possibly can and all thosedifferent symptoms and ailments
and started looking for answerson our own.
And the reason I'm telling youthat part is it's so important
for you to understand what'sgoing around in your space and
what's going on in your body.
You understand your body bestthan anybody.
You really, truly feel andunderstand what's happening.

(07:15):
You may not know the medicalterms or the health reasons, but
you know that something is offand that should be the trigger
for you to go.
I need to look into this on myown, and what we did we kind of
laugh at it now is we turned toDr Google and Dr Facebook.
Right, and we laugh at itbecause it's like there's a lot

(07:36):
of really good information and alot of bad information.
The cool part is is you canchoose what's good and what's
bad and what resonates with you,right, as long as you're in the
mindset of I'm not going tokeep on piling on medications on
my own, right, and you canstart trying different things to
try to help yourself.
Right, getting rid of sugars,getting rid of inflammation type

(07:59):
foods.
They're like oh, that's a thing, are you kidding me?
So it's like okay.
So we came across this ad thatwas in Facebook, and I hate ads
in Facebook.
It's like I'm not a person thatgoes in and go no, don't
display ad.
Why?
Because you're annoying, likeit just drives me nuts.
So, anyways, this amazing bookby Dr Amy Meiners, the

(08:22):
Autoimmune Solutions, cameacross.
So my wife got that book.
She read through it and she waslike oh, this resonates with me
, this makes sense.
It literally makes sense.
Of course, within the bookshe's trying to sell you on
these other items, which she hasa lot of good books.
So she's introducing theseother books, right.
But if you take the nuggets outof that book, where 80% of

(08:46):
ailments are typically frominflammation in our body, that's
a good start for us as asociety, with so much crap that
we're dealing with, we need togo yeah, let's reduce our
inflammation.
So, with this, we start goingthrough the book.
So reducing obviously liketomatoes.
So go to Google and type inhigh inflammation foods,

(09:08):
research it self-directed, right, people.
So look it up.
High inflammation foods Startthinking about this is because
the food that you put in yourbody is medicine.
It's the fuel that theLamborghini needs to run right.
And you talk to nutritionists.
We talk to two separatenutritionists.
They're different.

(09:29):
Everyone's body is different.
What you need and what someoneelse's needs are could be left
and right, apples and oranges,literally.
And the reason I'm telling thisis because we tried the
vegetarian, we tried GoVegan andit was literally killing my
wife, right?
So what I'm saying is you needto figure out what's right for

(09:49):
you in your body and the fuelthat it needs.
So my wife needed a little bitof red meat, a little bit of
chicken, not a lot, not hugeportions, but enough for her
body to go okay, yeah, perfect,this is what I needed.
And then, of course, lots ofveggies and fruits and stuff
like this, but it's got to bethe right veggies and the right
fruits, right?
So, like tomatoes, kale,legumes, almonds all these are

(10:12):
high inflammation foods, butthey're also in high oxalates,
right.
High oxalates also have similartriggers as high inflammation,
right?
So if you're dealing with stuffand ailments, you really need
to look into what you're eatingand what you're drinking, right?
Another big one is obviouslywater, of course, good quality

(10:33):
water, right?
You need to look at thatbecause there's a lot of stuff
that's in our waters and youneed to be you need to be aware
of these things right.
Where we were not, and becausethe our water wasn't as where it
should be, my wife kept ongetting gastric ulcers, so we
had to put a system in place inour house where our water was we

(10:55):
call it now drinkable.
Where before it was drinkable,we just didn't know what we were
drinking right so that's a bigpart of it.
And when we started going downthat room and after a few weeks
of basically watching what shewas eating, in a way of changing
the way that we eat getting ridof gluten, caffeine, sugars,
alcohols and stuff like this,where these are not natural

(11:17):
products, where our bodynaturally wants natural things
it became really, really clearthat our body was like this is
good.
We're going to start makingsome shifts for you.
Thank you, right, that yourbody's thanking you.
So, with that, all thattingling nerve pain that I was
telling you about started tosubside, right, because of where

(11:40):
our body was full of.
Her body was full ofinflammation.
We didn't really know it, right, she's not like she's a big
lady yeah, she's not like shecan.
She's five foot seven.
She's 250 pounds.
Right, she's five foot seven.
She was 135 pounds.
So you couldn't really reallyreally tell that she was full of
inflammation, but inflammationsits in your body in weird ways,

(12:00):
right.
So pay attention to this, right.
So start with reducing yourinflammation a little bit and
then going down this journey.
We're like she had two rootcanals done.
This part just blows my mind,like to, even today, like, even
though this happened many yearsago.
Even talking about it todaystill blows my mind because of a

(12:21):
documentary that we found thatcame across our feed in Facebook
, because we were talking aboutdentistry, about root canals,
about how our teeth were hurtingand when that was happening.
Of course, weird stuff happensin Facebook.
You start to see ads, right,which is the way it works, which
is okay.
We came across a documentarycalled the Root Cause.

(12:45):
This documentary, the rootcause, was taking off of Netflix
because the dental associationwas not having, wasn't having
too much fun with it.
Put it, put it, put it lightly.
So we started watching thisdocumentary and I was at the
office, funny enough, and mywife called me.
He's like I just watched this.
You need to watch this.

(13:05):
We're gonna have supper tonightin front of the TV.
We're gonna watch.
She was all excited because itwas literally her life story of
what was happening, right?
So if you get it, if you'redealing with stuff and weird
ailments and it's, you can'treally figure what it is.
Watch the documentary.
It's great information and whatit is I'll give you this close
notes version is it has to dowith root canals Root canals

(13:27):
that are in your mouth and youtake out your teeth and they
take the roots out and they putscrews back in.
What they're not telling you isthey don't fill that little gap
at the end of your teeth or theend of that screw and when that
happens Remember people, it's inyour mouth, it's warm, it's
moist and a root canal theyleave a small dead part of the

(13:47):
skin inside that root canal.
It's a breeding ground forbacteria and not the good kind
we want in our body, right?
So if you think, think aboutthat and picture that over time
she was always saying it justfeels weird.
My tooth feels weird.
It feels like it's swollen,it's inflammation.
We go back.
We get an x-ray.
We go see another dentist.

(14:08):
We get an x-ray.
We go see another dentist, getan x-ray.
Three different dentists three,not one of them picked up that
there's bacteria growingunderneath her root canal, until
we found Something in Google.
We're typing in inflammation,soreness by root canal.
Oh, check this out.

(14:28):
There's actually a proper scanthat you can get and it's called
a bone a B.
Was it a bone beam scan, like acone scan, which is like an MRI
for your mouth, and it looksfor bacteria.
So like are you kidding me?
So we looked this up in Google.
Bones can near me is like okay,yeah, there's one half hour

(14:49):
down the road, let's, let's hookit up.
No, behold, what we found isthat she had, like, when we
actually had it before weactually found, we found out she
had bacteria in her mouth.
She's like okay, now what?
So then it is like well, youneed a holistic dentist to
remove it.
We're like an holistic dentist.
What the heck is that?
That's a thing?

(15:10):
You kidding me?
An elastic dentist.
Actually, that that's.
That's a.
That's a place that you go todeal with your teeth.
What's wrong with a dentist?
So the difference between thetwo we're like this just doesn't
make sense.
So, no behold, when you havethat type of bacteria and you go
to extract it.
You want to make sure that allthat bacteria doesn't get lodged

(15:31):
into your mouth and back intoyour body, because it's very
dangerous.
It's like, okay, so we go there, we get it removed.
No behold, when we had thosetwo teeth extracted, the size of
the bacteria that was connectedto that screw was the size of
my pinky nail.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
That was lodged in her jaw for five years Five
years of bacteria growing in herbody.
Now, if you remember all thoseelements that I was talking
about, now, on top of that sheneeds to detox all this bacteria
in her body.
We're like, oh my grace, thisis not good, right, so then,

(16:11):
okay, so where can we figure outwhat type of bacteria she's
dealing with?
Because then we can Potentiallyget antibiotics.
We can do different things tohelp kill that bacteria off and
detox it.
Right, no, behold, nowhere inCanada you can get a biopsy done
of a tooth.
It just doesn't exist.
So we had to send it to thestates.
So we sent it to the states,paid the 800 bucks, got a report

(16:33):
two weeks later she had nine no, 16 different types of bacteria
.
Now we're lodged in her jaw 16and these this is not the good
bacteria that you want.
So it's like, okay, this is, atleast we now know what we're
dealing with.
When she had extracted, thatnight, that night, when she
slept, her eye pressure wasreduced by about 80%.

(16:54):
Her fogginess was gone by about80%.
Right, the stiffness in theback of her neck was down by
about 60 to 70%.
This is from her teeth, fromthe two tooth.
Like the two teeth beingremoved, like, are you kidding
me?
So the more research we do, iswe find out that your teeth are
like the breakers to your bodyand I'm like what are you

(17:17):
talking about?
She's like, yeah, your teeth areconnected to different parts of
your organs and stuff like that.
I'm like, okay, so then we'retalking to this holistic dentist
and all the other practitionersalways told that my wife Was
having issues with her liverdetoxing and functionality.
Take a wild guess what twoteeth are connected to her liver

(17:37):
?
Those two teeth, wow.
Once they're removed withinabout a month.
What do you think startsworking a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Right, starting to heal itself.
Right, because our bodies aredesigned to heal itself right.
As long as we give our body theright tools, our body will self
heal.
But it's giving us the righttools that our body needs to do
that and that's who we're nowfinding out.
So we're down this rabbit, thisholistic rabbit hole.
Now it's like this is thewinning ticket.
Talking to our practitioners,but also doing it holistically,

(18:14):
we start finding some goodresults.
So, going through this, we'relike, okay, we have this out.
Now we need to make sure itdoesn't get infected.
This is what our friendintroduced us to essential oils.
We're like, okay, and at thatpoint I'm skeptical, like beyond
belief might get these snakeoils things out of here.
I don't want this, because it'snot what the heck is an

(18:37):
essential oil going to do tohelp us.
Really, come on, people, right,because it's just not
mainstream.
It's not a thing that we go toCVS or Walgreens or walmart or
Shoppers, drug Mart or whateverto get prescriptions, whatever
it's not, it's not that.
So how can that work?
Right, thinking the mind shift.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
So, going through this, my wife started to use a
little bit of the essential oilshere and there and I'm like,
yeah, whatever, it's not gonnado anything, it just smells
pretty.
And then we had as we calledthe the ah moment, where it was
kind of a slap in the back ofthe head and to shoe the mouth
for me because I realized thepowers of essential oils in an
instance, and it's it's a littleof emotional story because of

(19:23):
how it happened, but I'm glad ithappened, um, because it opened
our eyes to a lot, a muchbigger world.
And, as I was saying before, isthat I've been running my own
business for a long, long timeand I work long hours.
And it was around 11, 11 30 atnight and I'm sitting downstairs
watching a movie and both kidsare asleep.
My wife um is taking a bathwith some epsom salt part of her

(19:47):
detox stuff that she's workingon and I hear some crying.
I'm like that's odd.
So I go upstairs, check thekids it's obviously not the kids
.
I go into our bedroom and mywife is on basically all fours
in fetal position, balling hereyes out in pain.
I'm like what in the heck isgoing on?
And she's like just give me asecond.

(20:09):
I'm like no, what's going on?
Are you okay?
I am I phoning the ambulancelike is it that okay?
Or give me a second, like I'llbe okay, don't phony ambulance.
So it was like just give me asecond.
So it's like okay.
So I'm thinking to myself onceagain every second matters.
I'm calling the ambulance, Idon't care what you say, I start
walking over there.

(20:29):
She's like no, just give me asecond.
It's like okay, because sheknows soon as she gets there,
they're gonna probably put moreantibiotics in her and stuff
like that, which may cause moreissues.
But she's already thinking that, right, and so it's like okay,
so be at the our bedside.
We have a, some essential oilsand some carrier oil.
So remember that we should beusing carrier oil before we put

(20:51):
the essential oils on her.
And me, being a guy, as mostmen do, just throwing out there
guys, and what we're listeningis we don't listen all the time
we out of a full sentence willcatch her maybe a couple of
those words, right, and I waslucky enough that those are the
two that I remember.
Probably didn't be trouble, butanyways.
So it's like okay, I'll throwsome carrier oil.
So I grabbed the bottle,squeezed the carrier oil in my

(21:13):
hand, it went all over me, allover the floor.
I was like are you kidding me?
And it's like whatever.
So I grabbed some lemongrassand I grabbed some lavender.
I started rubbing on her bellyand I was going around to her
lower back and it was like okay,I said I hope this helps, but
it's not gonna do anything.
I'm gonna phone the ambulance,like just give me a second.
So it was about maybe 45 seconds, maybe a minute that I waited,

(21:38):
which was in like hours, wheneverything's working in slow
motion like that.
And she sat up and I'm like sowhat's going on?
You, okay, and I'm a little bitof a jokester, right.
So it's funny, because I waslike so did you too?
She's like no, why would yousay that?
I'm like I don't know, be methose gas paints, what the heck

(21:58):
man.
And she's like no, I'm likeokay.
So what's going on?
Like, do you want me to driveyou to the hospital?
It's like literally a 10 minutedrive.
Not even.
She's like no, I'm like.
So you okay now she's like Ithink.
So I'm like okay.
So she stands up, we're talking.
And at that moment it was like abig club in the back of the

(22:18):
head.
It's like, you realize, youjust put essential oils on her
and it helped with something.
I didn't know what it was,because we didn't know what it
was, and I'm like, okay, so thatwas a big trigger for me
because she was in the point ofpain, of tears, and that's not
going to emerge.
I put essential oils on her andshe's now sitting up talking to

(22:42):
me.
I need to understand More aboutessential oils what they are,
how they are, how they work, howthey affect us in the body and
stuff like that.
That's doing my brains nowgoing, just flowing through this
quickly.
And we didn't use medication,we didn't use any kind of weird
stuff like that, or creams oranything like that.

(23:03):
So it's like I need tounderstand this.
And that was my moment where Iwas like, okay, I need to
remember I'm a marketer right tomyself, so I market it to
myself.
So I built myself a website tounderstand what each product can
do, how it works in the bodyand how it affects our body,
right?
So going through this research,I started figuring out that not

(23:25):
all essential oils are createdequal as well, which was kind of
scary because, once again, backto the marketing, it's all
about branding on the front ofthose products that we see,
right?
So when I'm doing this, I'mlike you kidding me, wait a
second.
So that natural cleaningsolutions that we use to clean
our house, are they reallynatural?

(23:47):
Are they organic, as they saythey are?
I'm like, come on, there's noway.
I'm like, shoot.
So I got home from work, kidsgot home from school.
I'm like, hey, kids, go to thebathroom upstairs, go to our
bathroom upstairs.
I'm gonna go to the basement,I'm gonna go to our kitchen, go
to our laundry room.
I want you to pull all thecleaning solutions we have in

(24:09):
the house and bring them all tothe table.
Like what, what's wrong withyou?
I'm like, oh, let's do a familyexercise.
This is gonna be fun.
They're like, really.
It's like, yeah, come on, let'sgo.
So we pulled all those cleaningsolutions to our kitchen table
and I said, now turn all thebottles backwards.
Like what?
Like what are you doing, dad?
Like what's going on?

(24:30):
I'm like I want to seesomething.
I want to do it together as afamily.
No behold, every cleaningsolution that we had in the
house had chemicals, fillers,pesticides and tons of crap in
them, every single one of them.
So going through the essentialoils and understanding how you
can breathe something in affectsyour cellular structure.

(24:52):
What you put on your skin, yourbiggest membrane, your body,
affects your cellular structure.
And what you put internally, weall know, affects us at the
cellular level.
So, like I want to know whatwe're using to clean the floors,
the glass, the mirror, thetables, the hardwood, versus the
tile, the toilets, the showers,the tubs, like what are we

(25:16):
doing, right?
Our laundry, our shampoo, ourconditioner, our toothpaste, our
mouthwash, right?
I just thought I was crazy.
But when your body is in fightor fight mode, people, you need
to understand that your bodywants natural things.
Anything more than that.
Your body needs to detox it, itneeds to deal with it.

(25:36):
That's when the trigger hithuge that all these things
around us there are toxins andchemicals that affect us on the
cellular level.
Once we started looking at that, it was a whole new world for
us, because her health startedto increase rapidly, like
rapidly, because her body nolonger had to detox all these

(26:00):
extra chemicals.
And we're now feeding her bodynatural products, like essential
oils if they're therapeutic,great essential oils and
distilled and grown properlyWith no fillers.
Her body started to react in apositive way.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's incredible.
There's there's so much to talkto it.
I mean, this whole story isincredible.
The, the process and thejourney that you've taken I
think so many people can relateto, because how many times do
you Google something when youfail off.
And what I love about theconversations we've had offline
is you know, I'm I'm someone whohad a very unconventional
childhood and I grew up with mygrandparents and we ate out of a

(26:38):
vegetable garden year around.
We ate out of the freezer.
We were had canned goods.
We I didn't even know what afast food restaurant was until I
was an adult and it'sinteresting because when I
introduced that food to my body,my body violently reacted like
literally violently reacted withvomiting, and it was very
disturbing at the time and I wasvery Disgusting.

(27:04):
And I was very Disgusting and Iwas very Disgusting and I was
very Disgusting and I was veryDisgusting at the time.
But I mean, it just goes toshow you how much we are really
Wired to have organic, naturalproducts in our body.
Um, but you know to hear theenvironmental piece of it.

(27:26):
I mean, there's just so manypieces of your story that are so
powerful, but the environmentalpiece of it is huge as well.
Um, again, you know, I Roppedaround in the state forest.
You know like literally mychildhood was playing in the
woods and just the groundingproperties of Mother Earth and
the healing properties of all ofthat.

(27:48):
And I noticed, even for myself,when I'm in the woods and I'm
grounding or, you know, gettingmy physical body restored, and I
come back into a situationwhere I'm in the suburbia of a
major metropolitan city, it is aphysical response because your

(28:10):
body has been reset and thenit's like you get this wham of.
You feel it, you feel theheaviness, you feel the
heaviness in your chest, youfeel it, you know just all
around you and I think you knowwhat people really.
I think people know this on avery innate part of them, but

(28:32):
they don't know how to tap intoit a lot of times, because it's
like, everywhere you look youhave cell phone towers and
you've got, you know, theseproducts in the grocery and for
some families it's cheaper tobuy those cheaper items to feed
their family than to pay alittle bit more money.
But then what are you reallypaying for, right?

(28:54):
So I mean, can you talk to thata little bit?
I think that's that's probablya good topic to talk about.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Probably because it's funny, because you mentioned
two really important thingsthere.
One is you're up in themountains and your body was
resetting.
What does that mean?
Right, think about that.
You're out of the chemicals.
What is the most polluted placein the world?
Take a guess.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's our house, your cities, oh the house, the house,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So you think that all the toxins and chemicals that
are in our houses for all thosecleaning solutions that's why we
did that family exercise right,that's one.
So the next part of what wasgoing on in our life was EMFs.
Right, emfs play a huge, hugepart in our world and people are
still blinded by the resultsand the outcome at the cellular

(29:46):
level of our bodies.
Like, well, what's EMFs?
Right?
So to give you an idea whatEMFs are, right, it's.
I have a laptop right here.
I have a 29-inch monitor rightin front of me.
I have a web camera.
I have a light right, I have adiffuser going which has light
and has power to it.

(30:06):
Right, I have a 29-inch iMacright beside me.
I have a phone that's overthere.
I have a big window rightbeside me.
These are all EMFs.
This is radiation around us24-7.
So, take all this out of myoffice.
Do I still have EMF poisoninggoing on?

(30:27):
Absolutely.
I have Wi-Fi in my house and inmy building, right, so say I
get rid of that and I walkoutside down the street.
Do I still have EMF distortionand poisoning going on in my
body?
Absolutely, right, we have celltowers everywhere, right?

(30:49):
2g, 3g, 4g, lte same thing.
And now 5G right, these arebeing built to help technology
us to be more efficient andfaster and all this sort of
wonderful stuff, and I love it.
I do because with technology,we wouldn't be doing what we're
doing today right, but it needsto be done in a smart, healthy

(31:13):
way and we need to be able toprotect ourselves from that,
right.
So what we're talking about iswhen you go out of the city and
you're resetting, you're gettingout of all that space, you're
getting out of the toxins.
You're out in the woods right,you're getting out of the EMF
distortion.
If you have a very weak signalon your phone, that's a good

(31:35):
thing.
That's a good thing, right,that's what we want.
Right, put your phone inairplane mode or turn it off or
whatever it may be, that's whatyou want.
That is your body resetting,literally.
Your protons in your body arenow starting to point back in
the same direction where, withthe EMF distortion in our body,
it's going like a mad zigzag inyour body which causes ailments

(32:00):
and it builds up ailments in ourbody.
It disrupts our nervous system,it disrupts our digestion, it
suffocates our immune systemright, emfs take the oxygen out
of our blood.
Think about that.
That's mind-blowing.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Scary, and how many people literally are going to
sleep with their cell phone ontheir nightstand next to their
head.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yep, more often than not.
So speaking of cell phonesalone, because this is a big one
that everyone does in your cellphone, if you go to the fine
print, this is from the FDA.
They say that the phone is okayto use from an FDA radiation
standpoint.
If it's 10, it depends on thephone, depends on the size, blah

(32:47):
, blah, blah.
10 to 15 millimeters away fromyour head.
So pretend my hand is my cellphone.
I need to be talking like this,like literally 10 to 15
millimeters away for it to beapproved by the FDA.
What does that tell you?
How many people do you know inthe world talk with the phone 10

(33:09):
to 15 millimeters away fromthem?
Let's say it's 20% of the world, which I know it's not that
high.
Say it's 50% of the world,which we know it's not that high
.
The rest, the amount ofradiation that they're getting
to their brain is insane.
On, a study showed this is aHarvard or Queens, it was a
Harvard study.

(33:29):
I'll have to look that up.
I'm pretty sure it was aHarvard study that a
three-minute phone call if youhave the phone to your left ear,
three-minute phone call theradiation will reach the inside
of your left eye.
Oh, my goodness, right, that'son an adult.
So now the FDA.
Do you think they do testing onchildren?

(33:51):
I was just going to ask youabout children.
Are their skulls the samethickness as an adult, like the
physical skull?
No, it's thinner.
So on that exact same phonecall on a 15 year old child, the
same phone call, three minutes.
Left ear goes to the oppositeside of the right eye in a three
minute phone call.

(34:11):
Why do you think our ADD HCHDand all these different
syndromes, cancer, all thesethings are going through the
roof Right?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
That's frightening, very frightening.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's the amount of radiation and chemicals and
toxic load on our bodies goingthrough the roof.
It's insane.
We need to protect ourselves,right?
So those little stickers thatyou put on your phone, they're
not helping you.
Think about this Logically youhave a sticker that's an EMF
protector stuck to your phone.

(34:45):
You put that phone in yourpocket.
What is it going to do?
He's going to bounce the EMFoff that sticker right into you,
right?
That's step one.
Step two let's take your phone,throw it away.
You no longer have a cell phone.
Are you still getting hit withEMFs?
Absolutely.
Are you going to put thesticker on the forehead, on the

(35:06):
back of your head, on yourshoulder, like it doesn't make
sense, right?
So what we've done, what we cameacross and this is part of the
conversation you and I weretalking about before is because
of what was happening withAndrea, my wife, and we're
trying to get through all thesedifferent ailments and symptoms

(35:28):
reducing information, removetoxins in our life, right?
And then we started usingessential oils every single day,
right, internally, internally,diffusers, like nonstop in every
room that we have.
Right, because we know that ifyou breathe them in within 20
seconds, if you breathe them intopically or put them internally

(35:48):
.
It's going to hit the brainWithin two minutes.
We know it's in our blood.
We know in 20 minutes it's inevery cell in our body.
This is important information.
So with that in mind, we're now.
She's coming out of this rabbithole, she sees the light, she's
feeling better.
The last thing that she wasreally fighting was fatigue.
She's always tired.

(36:10):
That's how we came across allthis EMF stuff.
So we came across an inventorthat adds frequencies into
different products and I'm likewhat?
So, once again, same reactionthat I had with the oils is with
this frequency product, becauseI didn't understand it right.

(36:31):
So what did I do?
I have to test it.
So the only way for me now totest things is at the cellular
level.
The way to do that is to get alive blood test analysis done
right.
So if you want to know what thatis and if you're dealing with
stuff people is, look up liveblood test analysis near me and
Google, find the closest one andgo check it out, because what

(36:55):
you're going to see is somepretty cool, amazing things
about you, about your blood, onscreen in front of you.
It's not like getting a littleprick in your finger.
They fill up a tube and thenyou get a piece of paper saying
this is what's in your blood.
You have no idea if it's trueor not.
You have no clue, right?
The cool thing with a liveblood test analysis is you can

(37:15):
literally bring your phone in,record your blood on the screen
in front of you while thetechnician tells you what's
going on.
You go home, you read, watchthat like 10 times because
that's what you're going to do.
That's what we did.
We're going to start lookingthis stuff up, do your own
research and if it starts toresonate and go holy crap, this

(37:38):
makes sense.
You now have a direction foryou to go in, where before
you're like I don't know, Idon't know, I have no idea.
You just deal with the illness.
We don't want you there, wewant you healthy, right?
So once we did that so we did alive blood test analysis before
we saw our blood all clumped up,moving very slowly.
We saw parasites, we sawbacteria, we saw our immune

(38:01):
system, we saw crystallization,we saw digestive proteins.
We saw all this stuff in ourblood that were actually
somewhat hydrated.
You can see the nice right ringaround the actual cell which is
like okay, not bad, not bad.
No, and behold, we take thesefrequency products.
We have the one for four hours.
Oh, the other thing that we sawin our blood story was the

(38:25):
clumping was also they're calledbottle cap and it actually
stacked like a little worm,right.
I didn't know what that was, sowhen the technician was
explaining to it.
And then I did my own researchEMF poisoning, right.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
This is EMF distortion at the cellular level
.
So that's what triggered me.
It's like okay, so let me dothis test before put their
products on and let me doanother test afterwards.
Because if what he is tellingme that frequencies, our bodies
are vibrational frequency beingswhich I did not know at the
time I was like, okay, soundsinteresting.

(39:03):
He's explained that whenfrequencies, when lightning hits
the earth, that creates afrequency, a vibration called
the Schumann residence, which is7.83 Hertz.
I was like, okay, I'm lookingup on my phone, yep, that's true
, makes sense.
And then we find that it'sNikolotesla's theory.
Okay, sounds good.
I'm thinking the car guy.

(39:24):
I'm like no, it's not the carguy, it's the actual scientist
from way back in the day, andthat our body naturally vibrates
at the earth's frequencywithout all this distortion.
I'm like, okay, logically, Ican see that.
Okay, but I want to see itaffect me at the cellular level.
I said give me three productsfor free, I'll be back in five

(39:46):
hours.
He's like no, I'm like put yourmoney where your mouth is.
You say that it works, let metest it.
I'll pay for all the testing.
Right, pay for all the testing.
What I saw at the end of thiswill blow your mind.
The cells were separated.
They're moving like a ragingriver.
Parasites were 95% gone in fourand a half hours.

(40:08):
Parasites can't grow in anoxygenated state to what we find
Right.
What does your immune systemlove?
Oxygen.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
So oxygen immune system, boosting your immune
system naturally, right, Notpopping pills, this is great.
So I put one on my wife.
So we all bought one Me, mywife and my two kids.
It's like, okay, I'm thinkingto myself, wow, this is kind of
neat.
And, being an entrepreneur andrunning my own business, I said

(40:42):
I need to talk to the ownerbecause I want more information
and we do natural products forthe past 10 and a half years.
This is something else that Icould use to help educate and
help people around the world ina lot of the conversations that
we do.
No behold, we started doingthis.
My wife, the first night, hadthe best sleep she had in years.

(41:04):
Not only that, the big winnerwas that she had more energy.
She was no longer taking napsduring the day.
Right, and remember what EMFsdo in radiation they remove the
oxygen from your blood, whichmakes you feel lethargic.
Right, focus, that was a bigpart she was having problems
with, right, not anymore.

(41:26):
Right, she's starting toremember more things.
She's no longer taking naps.
She's now walking upstairs veryquickly.
We're now playing badminton.
We're now playing basketball.
We now go for bike rides.
Our household hasn't been sickin just under four years.
These are all the things thatour body needs people.

(41:46):
Our body naturally wantsnatural things, right?
So when we was done talking withthis person, the salesperson, I
said I want to talk to theowner.
He said the owner will give youa show back.
Perfect, bubble, blah, blah.
I'm like, yeah, I've heard thisstory before.
So I found them, I chased themdown and I ended up speaking
with them and it took us aboutthree weeks and I reached out to

(42:08):
a good friend of mine, chrissy.
He's now my partner and weactually bought into this
company and rebranded thiscompany because of what it's
done to my family.
And then I hired another liveblood technician to come to my
office and I had 16 friends andfamily members do the same test
that we did.
Every single person had similarresults where blood was clumped

(42:32):
, parasites, bacteria, crystals,blah, blah, blah.
They all also had all their owndifferent ailments that they
were dealing with.
It was now starting to separate.
It was moving faster.
Parasites started to disappear.
Ailments started to go away.
A good ailment, which was agood friend of mine, jim.
He was diagnosed with extremeanxiety.
He wasn't able to drive Withineight days and this is his video

(42:56):
testimonial on the website isthat it was reduced by 80
percent in eight days.
This is EMF distortion, people,and EMF poisoning at its best.
We need self-protection that wecan wear around us 24 seven

(43:17):
right?
Not a sticker that goes on thedevices, because those stickers
are protecting that device.
They're not protecting you.
Right?
If you go into an airport, yougo into a hospital, if you go
into a clinic, you go into amall, all these have a large
amounts of radiation.
More has 5G, 4g, wi-fi cellphone towers.
Right, you're getting doubledosed everywhere you go.

(43:39):
You need to protect yourself.
This is what we're finding.
It's been an amazing,educational, emotional journey.
She's not 100 percent better,but she's living a livable life
now that is meaningful and thatwe can get out into Mother
Nature.
We can bike ride.
We can do these things wherebefore we couldn't.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
That's amazing, the whole experience.
It sounds like it's been a lotof work, but the result of it is
just so incredible.
I know you didn't mention this,so I just want to circle back
With the prescribed medications,like the antidepressant and
those kinds of things.

(44:25):
I'm assuming, based on herstarting to feel better, that
that all also went away right.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
We're now four years with zero medication and zero
chemicals in our homes.
That's amazing medicationLyrica, percocets and
depressants and there's one morepain, one that she was taking,
I can't remember the name of it.
All those are gone.
And I'm not saying that thisstuff is going to cure you
people.
What I want you to understandis that there are other tools

(44:52):
out there that can help supportyour body system.
Talk to your practitioners.
Let them know what's going on.
Let them know what you're doingSaying these are the things
that I'm trying because I wantto get back to a natural way of
living without Feeding myselfmedication non-stop.
Yeah, you know a lot ofpractitioners are starting to
open in their eyes to integratea medicine and they're starting

(45:15):
to see this Right.
They're starting to get it likethere's a huge hospital that
was just finished being built inKentucky.
It's a hundred forty fivemillion dollars.
The whole first floor of thiscan't.
It's a cancer hospital.
Huge hospital.
The whole first floor is allholistic medicine.
It's all essential oils andnatural wellness.

(45:36):
When you walk in, that is yourfirst line of defense.
It's not going into a merge oranything like that.
Why is this happening?
Because there's power tonatural wellness.
Yeah right, and we can actuallyhave that in our house, right.
So if you guys need informationon this, reach out to one of us
and we can help guide you onwhat we can do to help support

(45:59):
you naturally at home and startSelf-directing you right, giving
you the power, empowerment,self-empowerment To really start
getting yourself body, gettingyour body back into position to
heal itself.
That's truly what it is.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, and for the parents listening out there,
scott, I mean you know youtalked to briefly on the kids
and I know, as you said, likethe Anatomy of an adult is very
different than of a child.
Yeah, so do parents have tohave concern over you know their
children in regards to thedoses of you know oils or what

(46:39):
it is that you know theenvironment is exposed with?
I mean because I know they're alot more sensitive than the
adults are.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Absolutely so.
That's a great question.
And yes, essential oils aresafe for infants, to any age,
literally.
Is the big thing with essentialoils, with kids and infants, is
just the dilution rate when Isay that, as you just have to
add more carrier oil and lessoil because you're so potent and
so pure, you don't need as muchto have the medicinal Benefits

(47:11):
of those products.
Right, diffusers are very safe,right, as long as you're not
putting the entire bottle inthere.
There's a little bit of commonsense that has to go with it,
and that's part of the educationthat we help guide our
customers with Is that we nowhelp them and self-educate, and
they can find a lot ofinformation With these products.
Right, we have a huge networkof people.

(47:34):
Right, we have over 60,000people on our team.
Right, there's a reason whythings are working.
There's a reason why there's928 million people Using these
essential oils around the world.
Yeah because they work.
They work effectively, theywork quickly and they're not
super expensive and it's waybetter for the environment.

(47:55):
Remember all those toxins we'retalking about.
Where do you think they end up?
Right, they end up back in ourearth.
Where do we grow our food,right?
Yeah, they're not usingpesticides or any of this stuff.
But people, they are in our,they're in our soils, they're in
our water, right?
So one is it's bad for theenvironment.

(48:17):
Two is it's way better for youand healthier for you, and it's
way cheaper.
What we use to clean our housenow for all the moms and dads
that that clean, which most ofus do, is Literally vinegar and
water and essential oils.
And then the question is arethey antibacterial?
Absolutely Right, there's teststhat show this stuff and it's

(48:39):
safe for kids.
Look at all the infantscrawling around all the ground
where they put their hands rightto their mouth.
So all those cleaning solutions, all the chemicals you're using
, they're taking internally.
Same thing with our animals,right?
Think about this.
It's, it's so crucial.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I'm glad you're laying this out, because I think
Most people have been so busydoing their day-to-day that they
don't recognize the smallerdetails of what it is that
they're doing, and it's notsomething that People are doing
deliberately.
It's something that you knowit's just, it's just part of,

(49:18):
like, that forward movement oflife and you know you're just
caught up in your stuff.
So you know, be gentle onyourself.
If you're out there listeningto this and thinking, oh my
goodness, what have I been doingto my family, like sometimes
it's just a matter of, you know,just having someone share with
you what that means and what itlooks like, and opening up the
doors and the details.
Which why, scott, this was soimportant to have this

(49:42):
conversation with you, because Ijust know so many people Don't
have the awareness of what thisreally means and I'm just so
appreciative that we had thisopportunity To really dive into
some of these details and I'mjust so glad that you know your
wife is doing well and yourfamily, you know, is benefiting
from all of this and everyonecan benefit from it.

(50:03):
That is really what it comesdown to.
I know for myself, I useessential oils.
You know, for different things,you know, especially For for
myself, I intuitively, justgrowing up with my grandparents,
have always been raised withyou know that less is more, that

(50:23):
concept of less is more.
So, like my grandmother, likeyou, were using the vinegar and
water that was her go to.
I mean we had bottles of thatin the kitchen, we had bottle in
the bathroom, we had, you know,one up in by the tub.
I mean there was always thosenatural ingredients.
Baking soda was a big one, youknow some of these with a

(50:44):
scrubbing agent right.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
So if you need something to, rub the tiles with
just add some baking soda intoyour vinegar and water and you
just add some essential oils.
Like I hate the smell ofvinegar, it's like oh right.
Yeah, bomb it, open the windows.
Yeah, the good thing withessential oils is you can change
the different aroma for whatyou want.
Yeah, right, and reap thosebenefits.
So it's so funny and it's great.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
It's awesome, it's great for mood management, like
yeah, and that's what I was justgoing to say, like with, you
know, growing up in anenvironment where we had a very
organic diet, you know it waslike if you needed energy, you
would grab an orange or atangerine or some sort of citrus

(51:27):
to build up your energy level,you know, and that helps create
the focus as well.
And sometimes, you know, in myworking day it's like, okay, I
feel that two o'clock slump, I'mgoing to, you know, put like
some, and, you know, like anorange or some citrus in my
diffuser just to help kind ofbring that up for me.

(51:48):
But it is amazing how the humanbody is and how we can heal
ourselves and how we can dothings differently.
And I know, with the way of theworld right now, everyone has
this heaviness that they'refeeling because the world is
heavy right now.
It's just heavy with a lot, of,a lot of political,

(52:10):
environmental stuff.
And then you've got, you know,the spaces that we're living in
around the globe with theenvironment, the foods that
we're putting into our bodies,that we really don't even know
what some of these ingredientsare, which is upsetting.
And you know part of it is likewhat can you trust?
What do you trust?
You know, who do you trust?

(52:31):
There's a lot of questionsaround that, so I think you know
this conversation today.
It really does help allowpeople to give permission to
take a step back and maybereevaluate how they're living
and maybe make it more simple.
You know, because even in yourhome, as you mentioned, scott,

(52:51):
you look around your home andthe products in your home.
Many of them may not be naturalproducts, especially if you've
if you purchased a new sofarecently, like the chemicals
that the sofa is loaded with andthe off gassing and all of
what's going into the air withthat, you know, or even a new

(53:11):
mattress I mean there's so manythings like you can smell the
toxins as soon as it comes in ordocumentary on that.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah there's a documentary on Netflix.
It's called stink.
Watch that documentary.
Exactly what you're talkingabout is in clothes that we put
on our kids that are made fromoverseas.
Right, they're made here,doesn't matter, it keeps them
fresh.
What the heck is that greatit's, it is a real thing, for

(53:42):
sure.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, and even you know you talk about the clothes,
like I remember, as as a littlegirl, like we had play clothes
and then we had, you know, likea set of clothes that we'd go
out in, but we didn't have thiscrazy closet full of clothes,
right, we had.
It was very like streamlined, asfar as the wardrobe was

(54:05):
concerned, and I look at thewardrobe today and you know, for
women it's like there's thisconstant rotation of style and
you know it's like you have tokeep up with whether the short
or the pants are long or short,or you know they go above the
knee for the skirts, or belowthe knee, like all of these
things.
And it's just, it's this oneseason quote unquote one season

(54:29):
where it's really hurtingeveryone, you know, as far as
the environment and your familyand all of these things.
So just being moreconscientious, because a lot of
these one season pieces ofclothing, I mean, you know they
they're not made well and theyrip or tear and then you're
putting them where back into,you know, the planet, and that's

(54:52):
not serving anything.
It's really interesting theacceptance that people have had
around that and maybe this youknow, whole pandemic will allow
people to pull back a little bitand really, you know,
reevaluate what that looks like.
So that that's.
That would be a blessing tocome from the pandemic, I think.

(55:13):
Any final thoughts around.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I just want to try to give people light that there is
ways to help with physical,mental and emotional traumas
that people are dealing with.
It doesn't have to be out ofthe gate going down the
medication route right away.
Some people just may need it,which is okay.
But let's try to avoid that ifpossible and let's be proactive,

(55:41):
right.
Let's let's get at some ofthese things.
Get get your gut health undercontrol, right.
Your gut health is your gut, isyour second brain, right.
So we need to treat that andhelp support that as much as
humanly possible.
So, with those three things, weknow that inflammation in our
body we can reduce and that's inour self control.

(56:01):
We can use essential oilsAromatically, topically and
internally safely to help buildand support our body systems
from the emotional, mental andphysical traumas.
We know this, that we knowscientifically that it works.
We know that EMFs are real.
We know that we can.
We can actually buy productsthat are natural, that are going

(56:26):
to help our body in our nervoussystem.
Get back to the Schumannresidents and grounding and
everything that we talk about alot.
That's.
That's the base of it.
Like, if you do those threethings in life, you're.
That's a recipe for success.
Like I truly honestly feel thatin our, our family is living
that story.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, and I love the testimony of your family because
it's just so beautiful and I'mjust so, like I said, so
grateful that you're sharingthis with the world today.
It's so powerful.
I do have a final question foryou.
I ask all of my guests so if Iwere to pick up your earth angel
feather off of the ground andyou had a message for the world,

(57:08):
what would your message be?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
about self-directed healthcare is something that we
need to work on as a society.
We need it more than ever, andeverything that we spoke about
today needs to be pushed aroundthe world, because we can
control our destiny more thananybody else.
It's one word, one voice.
It's we need to take care ofour health.

(57:31):
Without our health, what are we?
Right?
You can have billions ofdollars.
You're dead tomorrow.
Where's your billions ofdollars?
Right?
It's our health, it's ourhappiness.
It's that.
There to me, is that featherneeds to be pushed out as far as
possible.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, and I I agree especially with the
unconventional childhood I hadin just knowing what it did for
me and I.
I know our bodies are justreally wired to heal themselves
on so many levels, and I knowI've I've flagged a few of my
podcasts for this, but I'm goingto do it in this one as well,

(58:10):
because I just think it's reallyimportant, given the times that
we're living in.
If anyone listening is suicidaland you need mental health
support, please, please, please,go to your community.
You know emergency roompractitioners, whoever are there
that can serve you to help you,because this podcast is not

(58:35):
meant to fix anything like thatfor you.
This is really about the youknow, about your human self, but
the mental health of it.
If you're, if you are, suicidal, please get yourself that
support.
Yeah, and you and you have thatand you know around the world,
in all areas of the globe.
So please, you know, do thatfor yourself.

(58:56):
It's so important.
But, scott, I again thank youso much for you know being here
today sharing this powerful,amazing message, and you know
I'm just so grateful.
So thank you again.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
So, much, thank you.
Thanks for having me on theshow.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Absolutely, and my name again is Catherine Daniels.
This is Retreat to Peace, andI'm just reminding you to always
live your authentic life withpeace.
And, as always, retreat toPeace, and we'll see you next
time.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Thank you.
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