The Mean Season | S1E37 - Retromade

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You were getting bigger.
I wanted you.
Or your girlfriend and be so easy.
I be talking to you, how.

Katie (01:21):
Hello, hello.
I'm Katie and welcome back to RetroMade, your pop culture rewind.
Are you guys ready foranother trip down memory lane?
Well, whether you like it or not,we're going to go back to February
of 1985 today to discuss the crimethriller, The Mean Season and all
the other happenings of the time.

(01:41):
We have not yet covered a 1985 movie.
If you don't count North and South, whichwas a miniseries with Patrick, but okay.
Today I'm very honored to haveScott Crouch are with me today.
Scott has a lot of super coolshows, including a new one.
That is a super fun play on the game.

(02:02):
Fuck Mary kill Scott.
Thank you for joining me.

Notorious Scott K (02:06):
Oh, thank you for having me.
again.
I was on before, but this

Katie (02:09):
Yes.

I'm flying solo without Steve.

Katie (02:12):
Yes.
So it's a little different.
We're doing a Kurt movie today.
So yeah.
Tell us about your projects.

, Notorious Scott K (02:18):
I met you through Ryan,

Katie (02:20):
Mm hmm.

Over on the last of the action heroes podcast network, where
I have a show with my co host Steve Smith.
We have two shows We do the men ofaction, which is a monthly pitting of
two Action movies against one anothereither there for the first time
we did it We did it from either anactor or directors catalog this year.

(02:43):
We're putting together sequels

Katie (02:46):
Mm hmm.

away from the big names.
We try to stay away from theones that everyone talks about.
We try to, you know, bring light to, youknow, movies that everyone knows diehard,
everyone knows, you know, Rambo, everyoneknows those, but we try to go into the
sequels or the stuff from people's catalogthat maybe not got talked about a lot,
you know, you can only say so much about.
you can only say so much about diehardthat everyone hasn't spoken about.

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So we try to skirt our way around those.
speaking of diehard, we also do droppinga Bruce, is also there every month,
every two weeks after the other showwell, Steve and I have decided to
do is we have decided to go throughall 40 of Bruce Willis's direct
to video releases over his career.

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And I think we hit the halfwaypoint in October as we record.
So we'll.
Be at the 20 mark.
We have 20 more to go.
So little over a year anda half left of the journey.

Katie (03:39):
How are you feeling about it?
20 and 20 to go.
Ha ha ha.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm

daunting task for sure.
It's weird.
Cause now we're on 20, wetalked about it with Steve.
I recorded it last week that it's alsokind of sad because you're watching this
now in the With the eyes knowing that weknow he has aphasia that he will never
act again That there's a real good chancenow He doesn't even remember a lot of
the stuff he did like the aphasia isreally set in How much he remembers and

(04:10):
functions as far as like a normal person?
We don't know obviously gonna keepit private which I would expect them
to do as this family So it's kind ofsad because you're now now knowing
it You know, if we'd went into thisand there had never been an aphasia,
we could have this fun little, like,why did he decided to go this route?
But when you know that hehas aphasia, we're really
starting to see it peek through.
So it is like if anyone's had afamily member who's had Alzheimer's

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or dementia or has seen someonethey knew vibrant suddenly kind
of slip away from them slowly.
So we're kind of watching the declineof Bruce Willis, our childhood hero.
And that's kind of.
It's been kind of sad.
It's really melancholy.
You know, you still enjoy watchingthe films because you know, we try
to get the best item that we can.
They're really tough toget through some of them,

Katie (04:52):
hmm.

the toughest part is watching him slip away in front
of our eyes, you know, every month.
So, you know, it's kind of a downerto bring your podcast down around
the gate, but that's been kind of abit of a downer now that we've gotten

Katie (05:04):
It is a little bit, but you, but you're, the Men of Action is super fun.
What was the most recentone I just listened to?
It was like Prometheus versus

and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

Katie (05:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Good one.

Yeah, they

Katie (05:16):
And then,

good movies.
Yeah.
We really enjoyed them.

Katie (05:18):
I actually haven't seen either of those, but, you have
a new show too that is super fun.

Kill Mary smash and eat.
Basically it's, it's a couple offriends of mine had started with
actually Craig, Craig Cohen, a friendof ours who has done stuff over on the
last action heroes podcast network, agood friend of Ryan's he's been on my
other show, the church of Tarantino.
He had started a podcast calledI believe he calls it the goat.

(05:44):
He's talking about Brian De Palma's films

Katie (05:45):
Mm hmm.

Ryan to do one.
And what it inspired me to do between himand some other people I've podcasted with
was I looked at it as like, how can I havethis fun little show that I'd actually
come up with this idea two years ago, butI was so busy doing other things that I
couldn't, have the time in my schedule toalso put it together and keep it going.
So it, recorded two episodesthat never went on air.

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Heard the light of day and then I decidedto it once these gentlemen started to
do theirs i've got them in 10 episodelike capsules So this year this first
season you were on it We are doingmovies and tv shows from the 90s I'll
probably take like a two month break totwo and a half month break Then start
recording once and then for season twoIt'll be tv and movie from the 80s and I

Katie (06:31):
Ooh, okay.

sounds like a 10 week on You 10 to

Katie (06:34):
Mm hmm.
Heh heh heh heh.

Give a little bit of air to also be able to
record and put them together.
But Yeah, it's been really,it's been a lot of fun.
It's just, you know, it's, abunch of lighthearted get as fun.
You know, you get a chance tobe a little deranged, show a bit
of your freak side and have somefun talking about hypothetical
things with fictional characters.

Katie (06:53):
it's, that's,

getting

Katie (06:55):
it's a very fun show.
I highly recommend it to listeners.

congrats.

Katie (07:00):
Well, a little bit of a show update.
So you guys might have noticed thatthere hasn't been a new episode of
RetroMade in the last month ish or so.
And it has been an unplanned hiatusfor Katie because I got a new job
and it's thanks very, very demandingas you know, just being new and

(07:22):
also just, it's a demanding job.
So I have not quitefigured out how to balance.
You know, get that right newjob work life balance yet.
So, please bear with me.
I, I set out to do every 2 weeks andI really tried to stick with that.
So I've missed a couple.
So if you're sticking with me,thank you for sticking with me.

(07:44):
Apologies.
Actually hearing you and Ryan andall these people with multiple shows.
How on earth do you do it allwith an actual job as well?

It's not easy.
I'll be honest.
A lot of my free time is spent, you know,the, the hard parts, not the recording.

Katie (07:59):
Right?
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

usually a max.
Like I will record one later this evening.
Probably take about three hours.
It's an anniversary episode forInglourious Bastard for my church.
But because I do some multiple ones,I have really set up a schedule.
Like I have a recording schedule.
I try to do it months in advance.
That's where I learned from thingslike trying to start another podcast

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when I was doing two and realizingwhere am I going to fit this in?

Katie (08:27):
Got it.
Yeah.

I'm waiting for AI to get better at editing audio,

Katie (08:32):
Oh my god, right?
Mm hmm.

in between some of my stuff.

Katie (08:35):
Mm

having it edit all the way, I still have to listen to it.
Cause I would have to go and cut out.
Certain things like sometimes, you know,you know, at it, you, you, we ramble
on about something you realize thatwas a good conversation we had, but
you're like, that has nothing to do whatwe're listening to the listeners want

Katie (08:49):
hmm.

okay, that's not going to make it into the episode.
So I don't know that AI is there yet

Katie (08:54):
Mm hmm.

know what you or I like in our episodes
and be able to put stuff in.
Still, I would just like a littlehelp the heavy lifting, because
that really bogs you down as the

Katie (09:05):
Yeah.
Yeah,

hurts.

Katie (09:07):
it does.
Yeah.
So here's where my naturalprocrastination is not helping.
I used to be like a monthin advance, maybe two.
Maybe I need to get my shit back in order.
But at any rate.
It is October, you guys, and ifyou're really into spooky season and
I don't have anything for you thisyear, but last year, you can listen to
those episodes on the thing as well.

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And so that was with our Kurt Russell

Mm-Hmm.

Katie (09:34):
Ghosts with Patrick Swayze.
So, those were last year's spookyseason episodes, so, I don't know,
if you haven't listened to them,listen to them, or re listen to them.
So, that's the show update.
Now, it's time to open the time capsuleso we can get into the 80s frame of mind.
February 1985.

Wow.
Mm-Hmm.

Katie (09:57):
I think you're a little bit older than me, Scott, but I
A lot of these things that I wastoo young to watch or things, it's
like, shocking how early in the 80s.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I totally know that.
But I think it was just like rerunsor replays on the radio or something.

Yep.

Katie (10:15):
Because I very much remember a lot of the mid 80s.

Yeah,

Katie (10:19):
Mm-Hmm.

when cable was starting to come out.
You know, we have the VHSera, so it's, it's weird.
We're kind of in that that generationwhere like you have all the social
media stuff now, but it felt likethat was kind of like the, almost
like the beginning of what socialmedia would be like is the ability
to have things at the touch of yourfingertips that weren't available before.
So, you know, to see a movie, youused to have to go and see the

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movie or you didn't see the moviehad to wait for it to hopefully be.
Syndicated on television, you know,like one of the big, major TV stations
and that didn't always happen.
And then once cable cameout, they had to find enough
programming to cover all this hours

Katie (10:54):
Mm-Hmm.
. Mm-Hmm.

So then, you know, they started to get these movies, places like
USA network would have things like up all

Katie (11:00):
Yeah.

You'd have reruns on the weekends.
I mean, HBO would run movies todeath, you know, like I think we
did an episode on the beast master.
The beast master was

Katie (11:08):
Oh my God.

The time.
I

Katie (11:10):
The bass Master.
Yes.
TBSI think.

Yeah.
and HBO, one of the, I forget whatcomedian it was, but he said that
HBO Studio 4, hey, Beastmasters on.
So, so we were in that era where like, wemay not have got it spoon fed to us, or
right from the source right away, but wedid have that once, and pop video stores
popped up and blockbuster and stuff.
We were able to get stuff like ata lightning fast rate, you know,

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and now obviously now everything'sstreaming, but we were able to we,
we had kind of had that early on.
We had the, the, the building blocksfor what would be today's streaming.
Today's

Katie (11:44):
Mm-Hmm.

kind of stuff was happening right around the eighties.
It, was a great time to be alive.

Katie (11:48):
It was now the TV shows, , the episodes that I do where
the movie is set in the earlyeighties, it's very clear that.
What was being offered to us, whetherthat was what we wanted or that,
you know, whatever the case may be,it was so heavy prime time soap.

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And then later in the 80s, it was allsitcom all the time, which I love.
I love a sitcom.
So February, 1985 would havebeen the 8485 prime time season.
And it is a perfect combination ofwe're easing out of that prime time
soap and easing into sitcom central.

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So we have top shows dynasty, Dallasthe premier season of the Cosby show,

Oh, wow.
That's

Katie (12:37):
Family ties.
The A team, Simon and Simon,Murder, She Wrote, Knot's Landing,
Falcon Crest, Crazy Like a Fox.
Have no idea what that is.
Have you heard of that?

I've heard of, I don't know what it is.

Katie (12:53):
Never even heard of it.
It must have been on just for one season.
I was gonna look it up, and I didn't.
Hotel, and Cheers.
So that's, those were like the topshows according to Nielsen Ratings.
What, what speaks to you?
Mm hmm.

so I knew my parents you know, the Falcon
Crest, the Dynasty, the Dallas,those, those are my parents shows.
Like that's, that's the Boomers

Katie (13:16):
Yes.

And that's Boomer TV shows of the 80s.
Like they, you know, I mean, anyone whowas of our age knows that there was an
episode on Dallas where someone shot J.
R.

Katie (13:25):
Mm hmm.

that was talked about by family members
during the summer of that year.
You know,

Katie (13:29):
Mm hmm.

on.
So as a kid, you knew aboutit, but I, I could care less.
I didn't know who Jr was or what that was.

Katie (13:36):
Yeah, I've literally never seen that show, but I know the the
cultural phenomenon Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

I know A team was a huge fan of A team.
The Cosby show.
Now,

Katie (13:46):
Mm hmm.
I know

When you were going through them, I was wondering if you
were going to say the Cosby show.
And then when you say it, Ialways wonder, it's like, it's
the chicken and the egg scenario.
Did Bill Cosby become thecreep he ends up being?
Because of the fame of the Cosbyshow, or was he always that right?
Like when, so cause you wererecording the P Diddy is a big,

Katie (14:07):
Mm hmm.
Mm

It's a cultural touchstone moment.
Now what's going on with him andyou wonder, was he always this guy

Katie (14:14):
Yes

the sudden ability to now have, you know, like maybe had
the mentality of it, but that he has.
The power and the fame to, to, you know,maybe tap into some of these disturbing
fantasies of his, is that, you know, is,which is the part that pushed him over?
Was he always going to be this way?
Or did that fame setting like really

Katie (14:34):
I see what you're saying.
I think these people always have thatnastiness in them and the fame gives them
opportunity that they maybe wouldn't havehad if they were just an average show.
But I will say average shows act thatway to just, you know, They don't have

don't have the

Katie (14:54):
set.

scale with which

Katie (14:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but yeah, the Cosby show.
Oh, I loved it too.

I know you separating the artist

Katie (15:01):
Yes.

or two things like Michael Jackson fan, I
love his music, but I also know.
Who he became so that that's alwaysthose tough things you have to kind of
deal with but I think it's also a goodExercise for us to be able to separate
art from the artist but I love thecouch show family ties michael j fox
I mean that was I mean amazing thosethree shows family and then cheers.

(15:23):
I mean

Katie (15:23):
Yeah.

little bit older again is more of a I mean I it as I got older.
'cause I would watch it in rerun.
So I really enjoyed

Katie (15:31):
Yeah.

Harrelson later on in, in episodes or in

Katie (15:34):
It's not like a kid show, you know, like you have to, yeah.

mature into

Katie (15:37):
Right.

lot of funny stuff.

Katie (15:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.

again, it's a boomer sitcom.
It really, you know, it spoketo the boomer generation at the
time, so you get into those.
But man, cheers.
Family Ties Cozy show and theA team plus all the other, you
know, dramas you talked about.
I mean, those are some of like themajor TV shows of that timeframe.
Like those are a stamp to that era.
And I mean, there's some great shows.

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They really were some really good shows.
I don't know that we have manyshows that come down the pipeline.
I know that we've gone tostreaming, so maybe streaming
services have better dramas, but.
The sitcom seems to be dying.
Like the,

Katie (16:13):
Oh, yeah.

of the sitcom, what makes it comes funny seems
to really being a dying art form.
Cause I, you probably remember.
NBC had that Thursday night

Katie (16:22):
Oh,

for years.

Katie (16:24):
so good.

shows like from, was it eight up to 10 o'clock?
So eight, eight 39, nine 30, therewere four sitcoms and then they'd have
whatever it was ER in the nineties, but

Katie (16:33):
Mm.

selling point on Thursday nights for them, would have that

Katie (16:37):
Friends and will and grace.

So it was like Seinfeld

Katie (16:41):
Yep,

or friends in the Seinfeld and then two and then
boom, er, would we be the last one?

Katie (16:46):
must see TV and you would tape it.
You would, if you had somethinggoing on, you had, you would tape it.
Yeah.
Yeah,

Wow.
Oh, wow.

Katie (16:55):
a few notable premieres for this season too, that weren't necessarily
in the top or they were a cartoon.
And these spoke to me cause Iam a small child at this time.
Muppet babies was oneof my favorite cartoons.
My little pony, punky Brewster.
These all premiered this season.
Kids incorporated.
Which I think was on likea channel we didn't get.

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So I watched it at likemy neighbors or something.
I don't know.
It was a pay channel, butthen nightly shows, Miami vice
premiered 84, 85 season night court.

Remember that?
Well, are these, so some of these arelike all, as you get older, like late
eighties, when these are all syndicated,these are when I start to really

Katie (17:38):
Yes.

and really start to watch Miami vice.
Cause you know, likeyou're saying you're young.
I was nine.
I just turned nine in Decemberof 84 before we got into

Katie (17:47):
Mm.
Okay.

like you said, I'm still, I'm in

Katie (17:50):
This is, yeah, it's great stuff.
Charles in charge.
Do you remember Charles in charge?

Scott

Katie (17:56):
freaking

since

Katie (17:57):
oh, how he has fallen.
I know.
And he was so good looking too.
I loved Charles in charge for some reason.
I was like, this is a wild.
They were just again.
I know I've talked about it before,but this is where it was a nice house.

Mm hmm.
Yeah.

Katie (18:11):
They probably were.
Maybe you're on the wealthier side, butthere were just regular middle class
families that had help in the eighties.

like Mr.
Belvedere and stuff.

Katie (18:21):
Yes.
I'm like, what is happening?
That's not the case.
Now.
We, we can barely affordour rent or mortgages.
Yeah.
Who's the boss 1 of my that's in my top 5.
It's this was its premier season.
I will go into more detail on who'sthe boss in an upcoming episode.
I love it.
Ugh.

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Yeah, I think I have a, I knowI have a thing for Italian men.
Cause I'm like everyonelike, Oh God, that Tony Danza

Good old Tony.
And then Alyssa Milanofor those of us who are

Katie (18:52):
for the men.
Yes.

cow.
Who's this young lady?

Katie (18:55):
She, she is a striking beauty.

She is.
I was thinking the theme songs

Katie (19:02):
Oh, Oh,

I started like late 70s but the 80s shows like the
theme songs were just so amazing.
Like I have an actualplaylist on my Apple Music.
Of just eighties themesongs, just because of the

Katie (19:16):
I love that.
Yeah,

we used to sometimes like on road trips, we play content.
Can you name it?
But, you know, within like threebars of what the song is and then

Katie (19:24):
and you can

Yeah.
And it's, it's just, I

Katie (19:27):
or, Oh,

like, it's crazy.
Like you say, we're transporting back,but you really are transported back.
I can remember smells moments days,like one, a day that I was watching
the show, like it really does bringback this wave of nostalgia that
you're just kind of like, Holy cow.
That was.
The time and place you didn't realizereally kind of hooked you, you know,
I'm not saying that shows don't havegood ones today, but just, there was

(19:51):
always like a singing version too.
Like it was, it wasn't just like musical.
There was always likean actual song to it.
Like the golden girls has got a great one.

Katie (19:58):
my God.
Yeah.

I mean, they're just, they're,

Katie (20:01):
Phenomenal.

in your head.

Katie (20:03):
And I mentioned murder.
She wrote being, you know,one of the top shows.
I recently posted on the Facebookpage, speaking of theme songs,
the still of the opening or theending, still, you can hear it.
Like you can hear.
A picture.
It is wild.
Yes.
And Jeopardy, I will say, is the last one.
I thought Jeopardy wasolder for some reason.

(20:25):
It premiered in 1984 85 season.

it's, it's the longest, I think running game
show, if I'm not mistaken, likewithout break, like without a,

Katie (20:34):
Oh, I was thinking Wheel was, maybe.

family feud was out, but then that kind of goes
into this weird, small studio,almost like on syndication, but

Katie (20:42):
Mm hmm.

TV.
And then, you know, a coupleof guys bring it back.
I would see guys, why amI forgetting his name?

Katie (20:48):
Steve Harvey?

art.
How

Katie (20:50):
Yeah.

you know?
But alex Trebek was

Katie (20:53):
Mm hmm.

Notorious Scott K: forever the guy, you know, (20:54):
undefined

Katie (20:55):
Yeah.

and the theme song, whenever anybody needs a moment
to think someone always hums the

Katie (21:01):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

are.
If someone needs any more thanthree seconds to think some
wise ass is always going to humthe final jeopardy theme song.

Katie (21:12):
Okay.
Aside from the Jeffersons, whichthis was its finale season, so
it's like, you can very much feel.
Yep.
Because that seemed in my head.
Like, late 70s, early 80s, andso it ended this season and then
there are a few cartoons that Iadored that ended this season.
Do you remember the Heathcliff cartoon?

do remember Heathcliff because a lot of
people don't remember Heathcliff.
He was kind of like that.
He was the Bugs Bunny toGarfield's Mickey Mouse, right?
Like he was kind of like,he was an orange tabby cat.
He was, he, they, they wanted to kind oflike have someone who could compete with
Garfield, but without being Garfield,like they, you know, they didn't lean

(21:55):
into any of the stuff Garfield does theeating of lasagna, the being mean to
the dog, you know, but I do rememberHeathcliff, but he didn't have a long run.

Katie (22:03):
No, he didn't.
I think it was like 1 or maybe 2 seasons.
There were quite a few episodes, but yeah.
Now, what I remember about it is this wasa thing that they did with some cartoons.
It was like the 1st half was Heathcliff,the orange tabby cat, and then the
2nd half was like this they calledthem, they were like the rough and
tumble, like alley cat version andthey got into all sorts of antics.

(22:26):
And one of them had aheadband with leg warmers.
It was like a two part cartoon somehow.
You guys know what I'mtalking about at home?

know trouble.
If you're not a child of theeighties, might not, might

(22:57):
Um,
Johnny.
I know.
Uh,

Katie (23:47):
Yeah.
And Inspector Gadget.
Well, I

Nickelodeon.

Katie (23:52):
I love it.
I love it.
He Man and the Masters of the Universe.
It was this last season.

Hmm.

Katie (23:57):
too.
Well, She Ra, but He Man too.

Hmm.

Katie (24:00):
the Wuzzles was also its final season.
Did you ever watch that?

it, but I don't remember like vividly.
Don't remember it.

Katie (24:07):
Like the combo?
It was like the stuffedanimals were really popular.
It was a combination of animals.

So kind of playing with the Care Bears.
Cause the Care Bears

Katie (24:15):
Yes, you're right.

extra animals in with them.

Katie (24:19):
Mm hmm.

think that even in their dolls, elephants and some other
things like started to show up and

Katie (24:24):
Yep,

the Care Bears.

Katie (24:25):
yeah, yeah, I do miss this time.
So that was TV I know I knowit is like teleports me back to
being a kid in the living room and

Mm

Katie (24:35):
80s

a great time.
Like I say it all the time.
I told my kids are nowadults, young adults.
I was like, listen, I love you andall, but someone gave me a magic
pill to go back to the eighties.
I can't promise you'd be back again.
I don't, I don't know.
I'd go back.
I'm out.
I'm headed back.
go back now.

Katie (24:52):
Figure it out.
You're on your own from now on.
Yeah.
Well, let's transition to some music

right.

Katie (24:58):
eighties, mid eighties.
This is the top 10 billboardsthe week of February 15th, 1985.
So like Valentine's day.
So careless whisper isthe number one song.

(25:22):
Easy to protect.
And it says actually wham featuring George Michael.

(25:45):
I thought that was interesting.

Yeah, I think that was right around the
time where he was going solo.
Wham had kind of reached its apex.
And I think, cause if you look it up oneven iTunes, you can find it under George
Michael and you can find it under thewham collection and there is that weird, I

Katie (26:02):
Okay.

I think he had made it.
I think he was trying to likeseparate and keep it as his own song.
Cause it is.
I if you go back and listen to wham, it'sreally pop bubblegum stuff, early stuff,
and then careless whisper is something

Katie (26:14):
So good.

But I think it was at that moment he was transitioning,
getting ready to release his own album,

Katie (26:20):
Yeah, that makes sense.

years later.
And so yeah, there was thatunfortunate time that Wham!
was about ready to end.
And George Michael of the late 80s,early 90s was going to be born.
The leather jacket, the whole thing.

Katie (26:32):
Oh, it, he, Oh, I remember being, I had the biggest crush on him.
He was a smoke show.

It's funny, I remember George Michael from that era.
you know, he was the coolest dude ever.
I look at he, he was gay and you look atwham, you go, Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Like he

Katie (26:51):
I didn't, it didn't even, I didn't, I mean, again, like I'm, yeah, of course.

careless whisper.
Also, he started to get likethe five o'clock shadow.
He's got the earring.
Like he's starting to get likealmost, you know, looking like

Katie (27:02):
All these models in the videos, supermodels.

Yes.
But he kind of looks a little bitlike Don Johnson on Miami vice.
Like he's got this like edge to him.
You're kind of like,got the I want your sex

Katie (27:12):
Yes.

and you're kind of like, wow.
And he really, the wham daysto the early George Michael.
days are stark, stark differences,but yeah, careless whisper is that
that last moment where it's consideredcan be part of The web catalog, but
it's really George Michael saying.
a much more serious songwriter andwe would get a lot more serious,
cool songs from him followingthis, this, this this year.

Katie (27:37):
Yes.
Oh, George Michael.
Number two song is a foreigner song.
I want to know what love is.
So these are like,

yeah.

Katie (27:48):
all these are very like lovey this week.
Yeah.
Easy lover.
Number three.
Now it's Philip Bailey with Phil Collins.
Who is Philip Bailey?

I don't know who Phil Bailey was.
The only reason I know Phil Bailey?
is cause he sang thesong with Phil Collins.

Katie (28:03):
I just thought it was a Phil Collins song.

singer.
I don't know if he wasa part of another group.
I feel

Katie (28:07):
Okay.

Bailey

Katie (28:08):
Yeah.

is really good because he's also on it,

Katie (28:11):
Mm hmm.

but because it is Phil Collins of Genesis fame.
And you know, Phil Collins was ableto, he's one of the few artists
to be able to be, have an amazingeighties with a group and solo at the

Katie (28:21):
Mm hmm.

I don't think there's another artist out
there has been able to do that.
So Philip Bailey just kindof gets lost in the shuffle.
We don't know.
Philip Bailey is even to this day.
Here we are 40 plus years later.
We're like, Philip Lou.

Katie (28:33):
I know.
I feel I literally have never heardthe name before until looking up
with the songs were for this episode.
Billy Ocean has the numberfour song with lover boy again.
The first force actually the firstfive songs all are about love.

makes sense.
I mean,

Katie (28:48):
Mm hmm.

when the records companies, and radio stations knew
what the hell they were doing, right?

Katie (28:53):
Mm hmm.

certain songs at certain points, right?
Like you don't release, poursome sugar on me in February.
You release it in may and June.
So it's

Katie (29:01):
Mm hmm.

of Cyrus.
It's a summer anthem theentire time, you know, like

Katie (29:04):
Great point.

they're doing.

Katie (29:05):
They used to know what they were doing.
I don't, gosh, I feel like again,I was going to look stuff up.
I shit, shit got in the way.
Method of modern loveis the number five song.
Do I know that?

is,

Katie (29:19):
Yeah.
Who?

They're spelling it.
M E T H O D L O V E.
Oh, if L O

Katie (29:23):
Oh,

they'll sit, they, they, they, so they spell
the method of modern love theentire time, but now they're not.
Now,

Katie (29:30):
yeah.

not arguing again.
So haul and oats are nothauling oats anymore.
They're

Katie (29:33):
Yep.

having a dispute, but they're also late seventies.
So

Katie (29:38):
was never super into Hall and Oates and I, maybe that's why.
I

the

Katie (29:44):
liked Maneater.
Are they Maneater?

Yes.
They are man eater.

Katie (29:47):
I like that song, but other than that,

Notorious Scott K: they've got private eyes. (29:49):
undefined

Katie (29:51):
yeah, it's all right.

a couple of songs in there.
Yeah.
I

Katie (29:54):
Yeah

they're just, they're one of those bands,
like a Huey Lewis in the news.
That was just kind of like Oneof those good pop bands that have
a song seem like every year togo out throughout that decade.
And you go, Oh Yeah
that's right.
I like that song.
Oh

Katie (30:06):
Yeah,

song.
So

Katie (30:07):
yeah, that's a good point.
Can't fight this feeling REO Speedwagonis the number seven and the heat
is on by Glenn Frey is number eight

great song.
I believe that was in Miami vice.
I believe that song might've been inthe Miami vice show at some point.

Katie (30:26):
Yeah, that, that, that tracks.
Was it in the movie?
Was it in

to the, or Was it is that in
Beverly Hills cop too?
Maybe.

Katie (30:35):
Maybe.
Mm

it's in one of the, it's either another 48 hours, Beverly
Hills cop two of my voices in one of those

Katie (30:42):
hmm.

Shows or movies for

Katie (30:44):
Mm hmm.

It said that we can't remember.

Katie (30:47):
I know.
I know Don Henley has the number ninesong the boys of summer They play
that on the radio quite a bit still.

they do.
And at that time, because Glenn andhim were former Eagles at the time,

Katie (31:00):
Mm hmm.

talk that had to chase Don Henley's ass.
Like Glenn Fry was ahead of him in a songby one, like just, just ahead of him.
That had to definitely makeDon Henley a little bit upset.

Katie (31:10):
Well, these are week over week So like last week it might have been
the other but you know, but yeah, yeah

he's, he's upset.

Katie (31:17):
Yep, yep, and then I don't think I know this song the number
10 song is a David Lee Roth songCalifornia girls, do I know this?

So it's his version, his cover of the
beach boys, California girls.

Katie (31:32):
Oh, okay.

had just left Van Halen.

Katie (31:37):
Hmm.

this is, yeah.
So, cause 1984, their,their album came on 83.
I was a huge Van Halen fan.
both, both iterations of the band.
not Guy Charon, he'snot a Van Halen person.
Anyways but yeah, hehad just left Van Halen.
this is, and so in 86 is when SammyHagar is officially a part of the band.
They actually releasedtheir first album together.

(31:59):
So this is David Lee Roth transitioning.
So he did release a three or four song EP.
To kind of announcethat he's now who he is.
And so he covers California girls.
It's actually a really good cover.
Like

Katie (32:12):
Is it?

couple of solos are pretty good because
he's such an egomaniac, like hehad an amazing band with him.
Stevie Vai was a guitar player.
So he went from Eddie to Stevie.
So he knew what he had to do, but hebecame such an egomaniac that after by
the second full album of his, the bandkind of fell apart and then his career
kind of just nosedives off the edge.

Katie (32:31):
I didn't even know he had like solo albums.

Oh, he does.
Yeah.
He's a couple of them.
They're not bad.
They're not bad.
But again, he's not the sameas he was with Van Halen.

Katie (32:41):
Well, you're going to dislike me because I do not care for Van Halen.
They're just not my thing.

Listen, I don't think they were aimed at, I don't
think they were aimed at young girls.
They were definitelyaimed at more young men.

Katie (32:51):
I know, but like I loved, but I loved Guns and Roses and
Aerosmith and the Rolling Stones.
And so I liked Rock.

to them.

Katie (32:59):
Yeah.

you know, there's an, there's an edge.
I don't want to say a bad, but there'sa bit of an edge to, especially
when Aerosmith reinvented themselves

Katie (33:06):
Mm hmm.

the eighties after they almost all died from heroin

Katie (33:09):
Mm hmm.

Yeah.
So if I get, I mean, cause guns androses kind of ends, I know grunge
gets the full credit for ending hairmetal, but it's guns and roads that
really kind of ends because they comein with like hard rock, like they're

Katie (33:24):
Yeah,

just trying to make stripper anthems.
As a lot of these songs became, theywere really trying to, they came
with a whole different attitude.
Just this, Yeah,
like almost a 1970s Rolling StonesLed Zeppelin type of edge to

Katie (33:36):
The lyrics behind the music was, it was substantive.

yes, exactly.

Katie (33:41):
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that was that was themusic for this Valentine's week.
Do you remember what washappening in the world?
Let's let's see, Scott.
Okay, so apparently it was like, crazycold state record low temperatures
in both Colorado where I live.
Maybell, Colorado don'tknow where that is.

(34:01):
Negative 61 Fahrenheit.
I didn't even know it went thatlong in regular unless you're
like, in Antarctica or something.
And then in Peter sink, Utah, negative 69.
Fahrenheit that's wild

cold.

Katie (34:19):
and for non U.
S.
people, that is negative 52 andnegative 56 Celsius, respectively.

It's cold.

Katie (34:29):
Mm hmm.

That's the thing cold.

Katie (34:31):
It is.
Yeah, you can't go outside for.
Yeah.

cold,

Katie (34:34):
hmm.
And they were in Antarctica.

right?

Katie (34:39):
okay, this is wild.
20 countries sign a UNtreaty outlawing torture.
Sounds good, right?

Well, Guess what country did it?

Katie (34:49):
Guess what country didn't.

The United States of America.
Merrkul.

Katie (34:54):
I don't know.

That's not surprising at all.
At all.

Katie (34:59):
I kind of was to me.
I'm like, oh, but now I'm like, oh, duh.
I don't know.
Wow.
There was a huge album atthis time in February of 85
Madonna's album, like a virgin.

wow.

Katie (35:13):
goes number 1, the entire album, the whole album goes
number 1 for 3 straight weeks.

Makes sense.
That was a big one.

Katie (35:21):
It was, and I loved Madonna loved like everything she did.
Until, I don't like the later versionsof Madonna, but the earlier versions.

yeah, I do feel bad for her because she, I
mean, she has to reinvent herself.
I feel like women have to somehow

Katie (35:37):
Yes, they do.

themselves, which is, which is unfair because the
Rolling Stones haven't reinventedthemselves and they're still popular.
You know,

Katie (35:44):
No,

going on how they're all alive isn't, that's a true testament.
We should study theirbodies when they die because

Katie (35:49):
I know Charlie died, but outside of that, yeah.
Yeah.
Have you seen the Keith Richardsall the memes about like, dude,
if Keith Richards is Yeah.

needs to be studied for science like he really
does how he's alive is, is really a

Katie (36:01):
Mm-Hmm.

but yeah, I mean, and then with Madonna's album coming
out, it became even more popular becausethat following fall, she would go on
MTV and have her big performance inthe wedding dress for like a version

Katie (36:13):
that's right.

awards back when MTV was a channel for music television.
But yeah, that was, I remember that.
I mean, that was tablet.
That's when, that's when Gen X and theboomers, that was like, they're okay.
We're definitely going to be different.
You know, you may have had the summerof love, but we've got Madonna.
You know what I mean?
It was

Katie (36:31):
Oh yeah.
And the

you can't be watching this kind of, this is blasphemous as

Katie (36:35):
the like of a, what was the music video with the, like a prayer
that was like super controversial.

big time.
Big time.

Katie (36:43):
Mm-Hmm.
. Notorious Scott K: I
think there was like a black Jesus andshe kissed black Jesus like that set
Yes.

church went nuts for that.
They would lost their minds on this.

Katie (36:52):
That was a great video.
Loved it.
But yeah, the.

back when MTV, when there were the music videos
were like as important as the.
song,

Katie (36:59):
It was appointment TV you, you sat and you waited for your
song or the, the music video awards.
Even their movie awards weresuch a thing back in the day.
So on a similar note onValentine's day, February 14th
Whitney Houston debuts her album.
Whitney Houston.
And it went on to be the Grammyaward best pop vocal performance for

(37:22):
a female in 1986 and the Billboardalbum of the year for 1986.
So that was her debut album andthat was the cutesy little Oh, God.
Yes.

boy, did she still have a voice.

Katie (37:34):
Oh, Whitney Houston is,

One of the best

Katie (37:36):
yeah, agreed.
Mm hmm.

Her voice is she has the best performance in my opinion
Singing wise of the national anthem

Katie (37:44):
Oh, hands down.

Super Bowl is the best performance of the national anthem ever

Katie (37:49):
She's incredible.
I mean, a lot of people talk Mariah,but I'm, I'd go Whitney all the way.

Yeah, look it's great that you can go up and make
dolphins jump out of water But

Katie (37:58):
Mm hmm.

of a tone.
You want to hear in

Katie (38:00):
Yeah,

right?

Katie (38:02):
I agree.

Yeah.

Katie (38:03):
Yeah.

can she can belt it

Katie (38:05):
Yeah.
Oh, that was sad.
Poor Whitney.

She ran to Bobby Brown and boy, all went downhill from

Katie (38:13):
Yeah.
Men are the undoing of good women.
So February 15th is, The daythat the mean season came out,

Yes.

Katie (38:23):
you remember, or can you think of another movie that came out that same day,
February 15th, 1985, huge eighties movie.
It is in my top five movies of all time.

I'm going to, I'm just going to guess, is it the breakfast club?

Katie (38:40):
It is a good guest Scott.

I was trying, I was trying to remember okay.
So I remember breakfast clubhad to be early to mid eighties.
Cause it wasn't late eighties.
I'm thinking it's gotta be JohnHughes or Steven Spielberg.
The two that came to mind waseither Spielberg or John Hughes.
And I thought, well, Spielberg only doesat that time he's doing summer tent poles.
So I'm like, okay, Spielberg.
So I, I guessed with John Hughes.

Katie (39:02):
Good guess.
Yep.
It came out the same day as themovie we're going to talk about.
The next one, there's a TV serieson Netflix called Griselda.
It's about the godmother of cocaine, theColombian, the female Colombian drug Lord.
And what's her name?
Sophia Vergara plays her,who is just so beautiful.

She

Katie (39:25):
The reason I noted this is because the real, the real Griselda Blanco is.
This is mean of me to say, buthideous like, so not attractive at
all at any rate in February of 1985.
She was arrested in Californiaand then she was later convicted
serves 15 years for manufacturingand distributing cocaine.

years.
It's not too bad.

Katie (39:51):
Actually.
Yeah.
15 years.
Not that bad for America.
Loved Diet Cherry Coke when I was a kid.
The diet version,

not the diverse, but I loved, I still
love cherry Coke to this day.

Katie (40:03):
well,

it is

Katie (40:04):
it came out in February of 1985.

Well,

Katie (40:07):
Coke.

I, you know what I have some, I should have, if I had known
I would have a can with me right now.
So I'd like to drink soda if I canhelp it, but if I have to, like it's

Katie (40:16):
Yep.

Coke is my go to all the time.

Katie (40:18):
Yeah, it's good.
The diet version.
I just don't like, I think the regularversion of Vinny Soda is too sweet
for me, but man, I love Diet Cherry.
Diet Cherry Coke, the dietversion didn't exist yet.
I don't know what yearthat comes out, but okay.
So a few people, like quitea few people got married.
It being

lot of

Katie (40:36):
it being February and all OJ Simpson

to Nicole

Katie (40:43):
to Nicole

wow.

Katie (40:45):
9 years later, he murders her

Allegedly.

Katie (40:49):
allegedly.
I should.
Yes.
Yes.

He was all the way up to his death.
He was looking for her, her killer.
They were,

Katie (40:56):
yep,

If you had anyone know, they were definitely a
golfer because that's where he waslooking for them on a golf course.
Yeah.

Katie (41:04):
was just watching the Menendez.
The Menendez boys series on Netflix andwhat was the, oh, their dad was like
a big record producer and TV producerand he hired OJ for a commercial.
So there's always anOJ tie in, I feel like.

Notorious Scott K: especially in the eighties, (41:17):
undefined

Katie (41:18):
Mm hmm.

to early nineties.
It's OJ season.

Katie (41:23):
Director Martin Scorsese, who at this time was 42.
In my brain, he's always like 75.
I don't know.
But he weds producer Barbara D'Affina.

Hmm.

Katie (41:35):
I don't know who that is, but yeah,

folks.

Katie (41:37):
no, he didn't.
So Martin got married let's see.
No, he's married to Helen Morris.
Now they got married in 99,so they are not still married.

divorced the old fashion way, not with murder.

Katie (41:50):
Not with murder.
Joe Montana weds actressand model Jennifer Wallace.
Also.

they are still married if I'm not mistaken.

Katie (41:58):
that's impressive.

I think.

Katie (42:00):
He's like a pretty good looking guy for an old guy still.

Oh, yeah.
He's You know, he's got the together.

Katie (42:05):
are correct.

so.
I thought so.
I

Katie (42:07):
However, this is his third wife.
He had been married twicebefore this, but this one stuck.
Third time's a charm.

Yeah.

Katie (42:15):
Now speaking of divorces, George Foreman divorces one
of his wives, Andrea Skeet.
And they were onlymarried for three years.
They got divorced in February.
Mm hmm.

Well, he had many wives And many children many

Katie (42:31):
And they're, and they're all named George, aren't they?

They either

Katie (42:34):
for the girls, maybe.

Yeah, I think one girl's named Georgina.
I'm

Katie (42:37):
Georgina.
Yeah, you're probably right.
A couple of people died in Februaryof 85, including Frank Oppenheimer.
If that sounds familiar to you, he wasthe American particle physicist and
his brother was the Robert Oppenheimer.

Yes, real Oppenheimer.

Katie (42:55):
Yeah, so Frank and Robert does the name Nicholas.
Colasanto, mean anything to you?

No, unless

Katie (43:03):
it wrong.
Nicholas Colasanto, aka Coach from Cheers.

He oh he died that's right cuz the coach
dies and that opens up Woody

Katie (43:13):
Mm hmm.
He was only 61.

Oh, that's too bad.

Katie (43:16):
Yeah,

that's back when 60, like it's bizarre.
60 looked so much older back then.
Like my grandparents were in theirsixties and they look like people are
now in their eighties and nineties.
For

Katie (43:28):
Huh.

Wilford Brimley when he was in that one show, he
was like 40 years old or when he wasin cocoon, he's like late forties.
I'm in my late forties andI don't think I look as bad

Katie (43:37):
No!

did at

Katie (43:38):
It is wild.
60 is like 45 now.

is.
It really

Katie (43:43):
All right.
Before we get into the movie?
I know I asked you about PatrickLet me ask you like what are you it
seems like dudes your age love Kurt.
Tell me about it.

I think the reason we probably love Kurt more
than, and this is no slight to Mr.
Patrick Swayze, because I do lovePatrick Swayze, but I think the reason
it is two characters, Snake Plissken,

Katie (44:01):
Mm

then he's in The Thing as well, and he
does them so close together.
And then obviously as a Tarantino,huge Tarantino fan, he's been
Stuntman Mike now later in his career,

Katie (44:13):
Mm

he is amazing in The Hateful Eight, and he's in a
really good movie that he shot aroundthe same time called Bone Tomahawk.

Katie (44:20):
hmm

I just, Kurt Russell's just, Oh, he's in one of
my favorite sport movies of all time.
He's in what's it?
God dang it.
The movie about when webeat the Russians in hockey.
Why am I

Katie (44:30):
miracle miracle.
Mm hmm.

glory.
it's not glory.
He's a miracle.
I don't know.
He's just something about Kurt Russellthat we always feel like you can trust.
You know, I don't knowwhat It is about him.
I do think though it is snake Plissken.
And again, this old age is reallysucking because now I can see
his face in the thing and I can'tthink of his name right now.
I want to call him McCluskey.
It's not McCluskey.

Katie (44:49):
Oh, it's

Mac

Katie (44:54):
Mac

Oh

Katie (44:54):
Mac.
It is Mac something.
Yeah.

And everyone's listening to

Katie (44:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.

They're

Katie (45:00):
I Should know this I should know

MacCready

Katie (45:03):
MacCready yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Good good one

because of that.
I think he becomes one
of those first Male icons.
He's there before Schwarzenegger.
He's there before Stallone, right?
So he is kind of like this quasi actionhero, but yet kind of like this dark
brooding guy, like someone we could seeourselves having the possibility of being,

Katie (45:22):
The everyman, so to speak,

I love Stallone, but still, I mean,
that he's on there on the roids.
They're huge.

Katie (45:29):
You can't be Stallone.
No regular person.
Mm hmm.

And I, I understand that.
I'm okay with that.
I've, I've settled that

Katie (45:36):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

much Schwarzenegger, but I could be.
I could be Snake Plissken.
I could be McCready.
I could be Jack Burton

Katie (45:44):
Oh,

Big Trouble in Little China.

Katie (45:46):
love that one.
Yeah.

like you said, he is the everyman.
I do feel like I could be that guy.
And he is in so many great moviesthat, and sometimes he blends so
well into those characters that youforget he's in some of these movies.

Katie (45:59):
Mm hmm.

he just, He's a, such an amazing underrated actor.
I think we know him because of whohe is and if some of his major roles,
but you go back to even some ofhis cataloging and look at, and you
go, Oh my God, he was in that film.
I forget.
He was in some superhero movie wayback in the early two thousands that

Katie (46:15):
Yeah.

off, right?
Like it was some kind of likeDisney, like superhero movie before
his superhero movies were popular.
And he just has this great ability.
And, and he's also wellbreathed in throughout.
I think one of his first roles, he'slike, I forget the name of the movie,
which is like kicking Elvis Presley.
Like in, in this, in one of thescenes, like kicks Elvis Presley,

(46:36):
like He is like, comes from royalty.
Like he grew up

Katie (46:40):
He was a Disney kid.

era through the golden era, all the way through, he
like is a touchstone marker throughoutfilm that I don't think many realize,
but for me, for young males in theeighties, it is snake Plissken.
It is McCready.
We want it to be him.
We thought he could, hewas the coolest thing.
He made an eye patch look super cool.

Katie (47:00):
I love them both.
And I do see, I can see how Kurt.
Resonates more with men.
I can see it.
He's just super cool He's just cooldude, and he is a very good actor.
Like i've never been like hewas phoning it in even when he

movie's not

Katie (47:15):
takes it for money.
Yeah All

feels like, yeah, I think Kurt was really good in it.
Like Kurt really, really, reallygave us a performance today.

Katie (47:24):
right.
Well, let's get intoit then the mean season
Now you had not seen this before.
Had you,

No, I had not.

Katie (47:39):
I had one time before, but it was pretty recent, like within
the last two years, probably.
But I didn't really, wewere watching it last night.
I was like, oh, I forgot about that.
It's a, we'll, we'll, we'll get into it.
Okay.
So it's released um, February15th, 1985 rated R it's a 6.

(48:03):
1 on IMDB, which ispretty high considering.
Yeah.

it is.
I was kind of impressed and I lookedinto some of the letterbox stuff and some
people get some decent praise like theydon't no one takes a shit on the movie.
No one's like, oh my God,as we'll discuss that.

Katie (48:19):
Mm hmm.

some things that hold it back from being higher than a 6.
1.

Katie (48:24):
So almost 40 years ago.
So people that are listening, if youhave not seen this, or if it's been
a long time, here's a refresher.
Malcolm Anderson is a reporterfor a Miami newspaper.
He's had enough of reporting thelocal murders and so promises his
school teacher girlfriend, Christine,that they'll move away soon before

(48:45):
Malcolm can hand in his notice.
The murderer from hislatest article phones him.
The murderer tells Malcolm.
That he's going to kill again, thephone calls and murders continue soon.
Malcolm finds that he'snot just reporting story.
He is the story.
All right.
This is directed by Philip Borsosand you probably don't know him.

(49:07):
He is a Canadian filmmaker.
Um,

Knows him.

Katie (49:13):
yeah, maybe their best friend, their best friends he directed Bethune,
the making of the hero and the gray Fox.
I think those are both either likeabout a Canadian or set in Canada.
So, this is maybe his 1st American foray.
It's based on a book,

I

Katie (49:29):
Written written by John Katzenbach in the heat of summer.
And that John also wrote themovies just cause and hearts war.

Hearts of

Katie (49:39):
And

Willis.

Katie (49:41):
did it!
I can just rememberJosh Hartnett, I think.
He's the one I remember from that.
Yeah.
But yeah, you're right.

When you sent me this stuff, I thought
it said John Katzenberger.
I was like, the guy from Cheers?

Katie (49:54):
Ha ha ha!
No.
Katzenbach.

Yeah.

Katie (49:59):
The other writer is Christopher Crowe, but it's under a pseudonym.
Leon Piedmont.
And he also wrote The Lastof the Mohicans and Fear.
Now, why under a pseudonym, do you ask?
Well, he did not like the final film.
So he didn't want his real name on it.

Hmm.
That says a lot, right?
That's

Katie (50:22):
Mm hmm
So I mentioned Kurt Kurt's our manHe plays the the journalist Malcolm
Anderson and his teacher girlfriendis played Her name is Christine
Connelly in the in the movie andshe's played by Mariel Hemingway.
Do you have thoughts on Mariel Hemingway?

The name is always familiar.

Katie (50:45):
Yes.

has not been in much.
Again, I don't know ifshe's even still alive.
So this is terrible.
was a, I know she was a well knownactress, maybe even model in the eighties.

Katie (50:54):
Mm hmm.

But
in this movie, I don't, so thejourney that we get to do as
podcasts, especially if you do filmstuff, is you start to realize some
of your old preconceived notions.
Now you have some some material to backup things you thought or new thoughts.

Katie (51:13):
Mm hmm.

could just say, ah, she was terrible.
He was terrible.
Isn't that, I don't want to say she'sterrible because she's terrible.
I just want to think she'sfeels like a fish out of water.
My cohort will say like a lot oftimes now you know, instead of
companies, movie companies makingmovies with female characters for them.
They'll shoe horn a female into an oldmale character, which is disservice
to not only the old movie, but to thisfemale, because now you've got to, so if

(51:37):
they made a movie called die hard with afemale lead, there's no way that female
is going to live up to John McClane and

Katie (51:42):
Mm hmm.

to.
That's unfair.
You should make new movies thatthis is the female heroine,
like a, like a kill bill, like a

Katie (51:49):
Mm.

some of these movies were like, this is their story.
This is her story.
The lead character, her story.
Meryl Hemingway is theonly female in this movie,

Katie (51:58):
Oh my God.

the

Katie (51:59):
She

There

Katie (52:00):
is

other females that we see in this movie.
It's her.
And then, you know, the,

Katie (52:04):
dead bodies.
Yeah, oh,

she finds out her daughter actually was killed.
Is nothing her to do.
And they always make her.
Overreact almost as

Katie (52:15):
yeah,

I don't want to make any disparaging remarks on the
old director, but it did feel like allright, Merrill, you got to overreact
like when there's that dinner sceneand she just gets up and storms off.
And you're kind of like, I don'treally know that she should
be this angry at this moment.
I don't,

Katie (52:31):
not yet.
Or yeah

I understand she's upset that Kurt isn't paying attention at
the moment, but he's really wrapped up.
I'm like, he's pulled intoa, a serial killer murder.
Like Hannibal Lecter is talking to him.
So it's understandable that hemight not be present all the time.
Right.
I, and I'm not

Katie (52:47):
well, I think in her defense, it's not just that he's not paying attention.
It's that she previously like, Idon't know, days before it was like,
because they have these plans to,to leave Miami and move to some shit
town in Colorado that we'll get into.

You don't, you know, the real story about
this town they wanted to go

Katie (53:04):
oh, my God, I'm like, why did they pick that town?
So she's like, should I put in my notice?
And he says, yes.
So she puts in her notice and thenthinking that he's doing the same.
And then all of a suddenshe finds this out.
So I would be pretty pissed too.
Okay, now I don't have a job.
I don't know.
But, yeah, you're right.

they also almost treat her as if she's like an idiot.
I don't think there's a womanout there or man out there who
like, if their significant otherwas embroiled in something this
large, it's making national news.
That they would suddenly be like, whyaren't you just walking away from it?
You know, you know like like if shehad been if she was at the school and
there had there was something about aChild had been molested or disappeared.
I don't think he would have beenlike why aren't we just moving away?

(53:44):
Who gives a shit about this

Katie (53:45):
Really good point.
Yeah.

like they forced her character to be like not caring about what
was going on, but yet also like her onlyreactions were like overreactions, right?
It wasn't like, so she storms off andthen he goes out and then I guess it's
enough weather in the car or whatever.
I took a cab, whatever.
And he gets in and they do thisthroughout the film, these fake

Katie (54:04):
Yes.

Notorious Scott K: killer's going to get us. (54:05):
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And so then she's scared.
And then it just, I felt bad for her.
I've, I know this is terrible.
I feel like the only reason they hadher in the film is because she was
popular and they paid enough money.
So she would show her breasts for

Katie (54:17):
Yeah.

scene.
I really felt like that was it.
I was like, Oh, There's Merrill's.
Breasts and our, I guessthat was our 1980s.
We needed breasts in this picture

Katie (54:27):
Well, because she had done I think she got popular from
a movie, which I haven't seen,but I think it was about rape.

Oh,

Katie (54:34):
think that's what got her known and she probably was.
Maybe naked in it or something.
And so, yeah, to your point abouther, her breasts, they are nice ones.
I will say so

with nudity and films, but like in the 80s,
there was a lot of boobs for boobs.
You know what I

Katie (54:51):
it is,

Oh, there's this is,

Katie (54:53):
she was there for that and to provide.
Some sort of friction for Kurt's character

yes.

Katie (55:00):
up against.

Which was weird that they, I mean, not only
is she underused, but also joypants is in this film, which I

Katie (55:06):
Oh, my God.

barely in the film, right?
He's just

Katie (55:10):
I love him.

in it every other frame and then he disappears for the last third.
We never see him.
again I don't know if he a call togo to the matrix five years early was
pulled into the matrix I don't know.
It's kind of like

Katie (55:21):
There's some big names.
Actually, now that you're saying that,there's some good people in this.
So, so just to To close the loop onMariel she is one of those when you're
like, well, I feel like I've heard ofher, but she's not really in anything.
I was shocked when I was looking at,I'm like, why do we know her so well?
She's known for Woody Allen's1979 movie, Manhattan,

Mm hmm.

Katie (55:42):
the early 1990s TV series, Civil War.
And where I recognize her from is she wason two episodes of the sitcom Roseanne
as a lesbian who hits on Roseanne.
And kisses her in a gay bar,

Wow,

Katie (56:01):
Hemingway.

would not ever remember that at all.

Katie (56:04):
And

Naked Gun.
She was

Katie (56:06):
yeah, yeah, yeah, she was well.
So there was like the Hemingway sister.
So her sister Margo, I likethose names, Mariel and Margo.
They both kind of started to get famousand then Margo's career didn't go so well.
She had substance abuse issues.
So the sister died from an overdosein 1996 and their grandpa is.

(56:29):
Ernest Hemingway.

that's, I mean, I figured I was like, I think
there's, there's no way she's not

Katie (56:36):
Mm hmm.

family,

Katie (56:37):
I don't think I knew that like I just I don't know
when I was a kid I didn't care.
But yeah, anyway, okay.
So who's our killer?
Did you know Richard Jordan from things?

the face.
So that's the, so there's so manypeople in this movie that you, if
you're a child of the eighties, youremember like they brought people back
from, from the dead kind of thing.
I didn't know who he was, buthis face was very familiar.
So I know I'd seen him inthings like Mouser's in it.
He's from the thing he

Katie (57:07):
Mm hmm.

what's name's boss.
The guy who might be thecaptain or maybe at least the
partner of Annie Garcia, he's,

Katie (57:14):
Bradford.

yeah, he plays a character, a police
captain in the untouchables.
So

Katie (57:19):
Yes.

see, and you're like, Oh my God, I remember
them from this era, but becauseit's been so long, I don't know.

Katie (57:25):
Mm hmm.

just, you know, so many people have come and gone since almost
like you go back through a yearbook andyou're like, Oh my God, that's right.
I wonder how so and so my teacher,

Katie (57:32):
Mm hmm.

kind of thing,

Katie (57:33):
Yeah.
Yeah

don't know what he was in, but the minute I saw him,
I was like, I remember this face.
This is a familiar face.

Katie (57:41):
The killers name is Alan Delore played by Richard Jordan.
I didn't have a connection to him.
He's known for Dune, the originalone, Logan's Run, The Hunt
for Red October, Gettysburg.
And I don't know who he is in thismovie, but I loved The Scoring Up, The
Secret of My Success with Michael J.
Fox.
Do you remember that movie?
So Richard was in that and he's aHarvard educated stage and screen

(58:03):
actor born in a very sociallyprominent family in New York.
He is the grandson of learnedhand the greatest American jurist
never to have served on the U.
S.
Supreme Court.
Yeah.
Yeah.

my favorite part of the film of Kurt.
I thought he played an excellent.
It's weird.
Cause this happens well before HannibalLecter, but I felt he played an excellent
Hannibal Lecter type of sociopath.
Like I thought he was reallygood when he does that little cat
and mouse game at the trailer.
I actually,

Katie (58:36):
Oh, when he pretends to be the other guy.
Yeah.

it was in him.
You know, I was like,

Katie (58:40):
Mm hmm.
Mm

twist.
I was like, Oh my God, that was him.

Katie (58:43):
hmm.

leg thing.
He sold the hell out of that.

Katie (58:47):
Yeah, because he's this really gross, run down, you're like, ugh.
Kurt feels sorry for him?

and he went so far as to oil that, that fake leg brace.
That was really, really well done.
Like he was great.
He really,

Katie (59:00):
He was.

was for, for a villain.
He was a really good villain.
film may have some, someissues, but He himself was.
a really good villain.
I enjoyed him.

Katie (59:10):
Agreed.
Agreed.
Now, you mentioned Richard Massur, whoplays like the, Editor maybe Kurt's
editor or yeah, the boss Bill Nolan.
And like you said, we did talkabout him from the thing episode.
He played Clark in that.
And he was also in, I'm like, who was he?
Was he the dad in License to Drive?
He was also in My Girl.

(59:31):
He was also in Risky Business.
So some more eighties and early nineties.

character actors, you go, Oh my God, that's right.
If you're a fan of eighties movies.
So if

Katie (59:40):
Mm hmm.

some of these people, you're like, who
the hell are you talking about?
But

Katie (59:44):
hmm.

That very familiar.
Could have, but yeah, he playsa boss and he can play all kinds
of different characters andyou're like, Oh, that's right.

Katie (59:51):
That guy.
Yeah, that guy.
Yeah.
And you mentioned Andy Garcia.
I love Andy Garcia.
Very young Andy Garcia.
He plays like one of the detectives,

Notorious Scott K (01:00:01):
hmm.

Katie (01:00:02):
Ray Martinez and then his partner, Phil.
I don't know if they ever sayhis name, but his partner, right?
I assume that was his partner.
And you mentioned he was in theUntouchables, he was also in the Legend of
Billie Jean, and more American Graffiti.
He wasn't familiar to me, the actor'sname is Richard Bradford, but he

(01:00:23):
was good, like he's a handsomeSilver foxy, like older man.
Um,

Thing is is I only remember him from the untouchables So
when he wasn't speaking with a bit ofan Irish accent It was throwing me off

Katie (01:00:37):
Oh,

movie because I really only know him there and I've
seen the untouchables ton of times,one of my favorite movies growing up.
And so when I saw him, I was like, Oh,
my God.
And Andy Garcia's in the untouchable too.
So I'm like,

Katie (01:00:50):
Oh yeah.

And, but you know, I've seen Andy Garcia, a thousand
other things, but this guy onlyreally know from the untouchables.
And so when he didn't have that Englishaccent or that Scottish accent, or
sorry, Irish accent that he perfects.
In that movie.
I was just, it was throwingme off the entire time.
I was waiting for him to breakinto that, that, that accent.
So

Katie (01:01:10):
I have not seen that.
No, I haven't seen that in so long.
It's interesting.
Cause obviously thismovie is set in Miami.
So there's a lot of Cuban like overtones.
And I sort of thought thathe was supposed to be Cuban.

Well, he does have that dark,

Katie (01:01:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, and I don't know.
I don't know what his heritage is.

bit of a disparaging remark.
I use busting

Katie (01:01:31):
Yeah.

because Andy Garcia says to.
After one of the phone calls thatthey're late at night to Kurt Russell
Would you like some Cuban coffee?
And so he like, takes acoffee puts it and then once

Katie (01:01:41):
gonna get American copy.

so he says he walks away cuz him and Kurt have a
little spat and he walks I'm gonna goget an American coffee or whatever.

Katie (01:01:47):
Mm hmm.

so I think he was basically telling us I'm not Cuban at all

Katie (01:01:50):
Yeah, I, after he said that, I was like, oh, maybe not.
But he has that, I don't know.
He, one thing I noted when I waslooking into him, two things, actually.
He was the best man atJack Nicholson's wedding.

Wow, which one which which wedding

Katie (01:02:05):
I don't know.
Probably one of the probablyone of the early ones.
And that hair.

Yeah,

Katie (01:02:12):
got that silver white hair.
He said in an interview thathis hair started graying at age.
guesses

seven I wanted to go

Katie (01:02:23):
nobody's

Am I right?
Did I get it right?

Katie (01:02:27):
no no no 16

16

Katie (01:02:29):
16

like, you know, let's go really low.
Seven.
Like he has one of those weirdfollicle diseases where like.
For seven.

Katie (01:02:36):
16 yeah and then we cannot forget joe pantoliano is in this oh
joey pants he is the photographer

Mm hmm.
Mm

Katie (01:02:46):
in this and he was always wearing like a hawaiian miami shirt and i love
him he has a full head of hair in this too

was a little shocking.
but he was so underused to begin.
I have to always remind myself thatI'm looking at a movie from 1985 and
Joey pants isn't anybody in 1985.

Katie (01:03:03):
true

I know Joey Pants from a lot of films that he would get
himself into that are very memorablethat I like, and I have to remember, he
was still young, you know what I mean?
Andy Garcia was still young back then.

Katie (01:03:14):
true it

Pants and be like, why did they use him more?
Because they didn'tknow what they had back

Katie (01:03:19):
was a bit part yeah you're

he

Katie (01:03:20):
but joey Yes,

And then all of a sudden they're like,
all right, Joey, thanks a lot.
We, we, we, thanks for your coming infor these couple of days of acting.
We'll see you later.
that's all of the money we have for you.
And they, he just disappearswith no reason he's gone.

Katie (01:03:38):
that's true.
One of the things I noted, the openingcredits, the music was very effective.
It's like very frantic and makesyou, it's a little stressful.

It's

Katie (01:03:50):
Did you,

in the eighties that we forget.

Katie (01:03:52):
yeah.

aren't a thing anymore, really, they really aren't
a thing anymore, but there's many TVshows, movies that use the paper assembly
line in as like a montage, you know,it's back when journalism was respected
in our country, not made a fraud by

Katie (01:04:09):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

in that

Katie (01:04:11):
Mm hmm.

everything, but it was a time where like newspaper.
Was a big deal, you know, theway journalism was and things
were kind of told through thenewspaper before TV, because we
didn't have 24 hour news cycles.

Katie (01:04:24):
No.

three major channels and you had your local
affiliates and that was it.
And so a lot of people did gettheir news from the newspaper
and you know, what is it?
The Watergate was brokeby newspaper people.
Like

Katie (01:04:34):
Well, and that's,

thing.
It wasn't a TV thing.
And the news used to be broken byjournalists who held people's feet to
the fire or we get investigative stuff.
So

Katie (01:04:43):
get that story.

a throwback to a time that seems to have disappeared, but
it was a very cool, as soon as I saw,I was like, it was like it was like a
nostalgic thing for me, but it's like,man, they don't, they don't, you can't
see a movie of since 2010, probablythat really has the newspaper production
montage of how papers are made andput together kind of thing anymore.
I don't think they.
Put him in TV or movie anymore.

Katie (01:05:04):
No, it's not.
No.
I mean, now it's like, Idon't know, YouTube star with
their ring light or something.
I don't know.

Yes.
YouTube started doingtheir makeup telling us

Katie (01:05:11):
Yeah.

Mm-Hmm.

Katie (01:05:14):
Kurt in this, Malcolm even says he's disillusioned.
He's been at this paper for eightyears and he's like, it's just, I
don't, it's, I'm, I'm burned out.
And his boss is like,well, what do you want?
And he's like, I want my Watergate.
Yeah, to your point about Watergate.

Mm-Hmm?

Katie (01:05:30):
Well, I did bring up the music because it was like at the beginning
the end were bookends with that frantic,nervous music that I really liked.
The music composer here is kind of a bigdeal, but I was not familiar with him.
Were you?

I was, yes, I'd heard of him.
Yeah.
Mm-Hmm?

Katie (01:05:48):
So it's Lalo Schifrin,

Mm-Hmm?

Katie (01:05:50):
and he was born Boris Claudio Schifrin.
So Claudio became Lalo.
And he's Argentinian.
Pianist, composer, arranger, conductor,five time Grammy winner, nominated
for six Academy Awards, four Emmys,best known compositions include
the theme for Mission Impossible?

Mm-Hmm.

Katie (01:06:12):
Wow.
And he scored like Cool Hand Luke,Enter the Dragon, The Four Musketeers,
Amityville Horror, The Rush Hour Trilogy.
And he's known for his collaborationswith Clint Eastwood from the 60s to the
80s, particularly the Dirty Harry series.

Mm-Hmm.

Katie (01:06:29):
you know, the Paramount Pictures Fanfare.
Dun, dun, dun, dun.
Is that, yeah, that's him.
He composed that.

He's pretty, it was a pretty big deal.
He's a pretty big composer for

Katie (01:06:40):
Mm hmm.
And Lalo.
I love that because my only otherreference to Lalo was from Breaking Bad.
Lalo Salaman

Yes.
Oh, I love

Katie (01:06:48):
Salamanca, right?
Yeah.
So, alright, this moviedid not make money.

No, I think I

Katie (01:06:57):
It,

Which is

Katie (01:06:58):
it,
'Notorious Scott K: cause
yes.

a budget.

Katie (01:07:00):
No.
It was only differing sourcesbetween 7 10 million dollars is
what it cost to make the movie.
And it only grossed a little over 4.
That's wild.

Well, I think because unfortunate for it, it came
out at the Valentine's day timeframeand the breakfast club came out and
the breakfast club became a sensation.
And so it was sunk.
We talk about music.
biggest album that David Lee Roth was onwas 1984 and it never reached number one
because it came out against Thriller.

(01:07:30):
So

Katie (01:07:31):
Oh.

down by what comes out

Katie (01:07:35):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm

was is the greatest selling album of all time.
It's hard to be a movie that issuch a eighties touchstone, like the
breakfast club, especially when it'scoming out, high schoolers are going
to go see it during Valentine's day.
That is a romantic comedy of sorts aswell as a, you know, coming of age story.
So

Katie (01:07:54):
hmm.

like this is going to get lost in the shuffle for sure.

Katie (01:07:57):
Great point.

know?

Katie (01:07:59):
Great point.

to come out in March probably does better, right?
Come or January because those areusually the dead time, but you come
out against that movie and who knew?
I mean, there's no way the movie makerscould have known that that movie is
going to be the movie became but It got

Katie (01:08:14):
I, yeah, that's a good point.
I actually had never heard of ituntil recently, you know, doing my
Kurt season and I kind of wonderif they kind of didn't promote it.
There was a, you know, how sometimesthey're like, they realize it's not
going to be much and then so they don'treally put any effort into promoting it.
And then it just kindof goes by the wayside

Yeah.

Katie (01:08:32):
or if there are other factors at play, because at this time, there
would have been a ton of other moviesin the theater also with breakfast club.
In the 80s, there were a lot,but that is a good point.
I don't know.
Okay, Scott, what are your overall?
Give me, give me your overall thoughts.
What do you think?

a movie with real potential that just kind of falls flat.
I think?
You Kurt's good in it but it's hardbecause now you're, I try not to
watch a movie from the past withtoday's eyes, but it is strange.
It's a strange film where like the,the journalist is actually running the
investigation when really the cops wouldbe running the investigation, regardless

(01:09:12):
of what the journalist was told.
Like he wouldn't be allowed to beout there in the woods with it.
Like none of the stuff that happenswould be a lot, but it's okay.
It's a movie, so we can suspend belief.
it's, there's a lot of oldtropes that we have moved past,
which is a good thing, right?
But the four times in this film, weare made to believe that the killer is

(01:09:32):
going to sneak up and kill one of themain characters four times in the film.

Katie (01:09:36):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

Meryl's breasts show, but she's in the
shower and Kurt For no reason.
scares her.
She pops up in the back car with him.
There's the Hispanic man bringing thenewspaper who, for some reason, decides
to creepily sneak through the backyard.
And he starts walkingdown the driveway to play.

Katie (01:09:52):
For no reason.
Yeah.
Mm hmm.

set up to that.
Eventually it leads up to wherea thing that happened a lot in
the eighties and I hated it.
It's the old they're dead,but they're not dead.

Katie (01:10:03):
They're not dead.

do, do, do, you know?
So he dragged a guy's body out therethat, you know, like in the, you know,
at the end, in the, in the Evergladesand it was just properly placed
and he, they quickly changed Okay.

Katie (01:10:15):
Well, you knew I see.
I want, here's the thing is I know,

for it.
I was like, Oh, he took his own life.
Okay, that was the fifthguy he had to kill.
Right?

Katie (01:10:23):
but you knew you didn't, didn't you see it?
You're like, Oh no, that.

been so long since I've I've watched a movie where we brought
someone back from the dead who wasn'tdead that I was like, soon as we didn't
end the movie there, I was like, oh shit.
It was

Katie (01:10:36):
He's not dead.

I was like, and the music kicked, I was like, He's not dead.

Katie (01:10:39):
He's not dead.

doing

Katie (01:10:40):
The reason, and again, see again, like I can't tell if that would
have been more of a novelty in 1985.

I think it was.
Because that's what we do withour, our major killers, right?
Oh, Freddy's dead.
Oh, he's not dead.
Jason's dead.
He's not dead.
It's that kind of we couldn'tkill someone off right away.
It was always like a little twist.
And I think that was kindof the suspense angle of it.
I think the problem with this movieis it doesn't know if it wants to be a
psychological thriller or if it wantsto be an investigative movie, right?

(01:11:12):
It doesn't know what it wants to bebecause it tries to play in both.

Katie (01:11:16):
It's meshing them together.

We don't get enough Andy Garcia.

Katie (01:11:19):
No.

and

Katie (01:11:20):
Well, again, he wasn't really a big deal.

to do.
You

Katie (01:11:23):
Yeah, yeah,

of

Katie (01:11:24):
yeah,

there was one point where he's

Katie (01:11:26):
yeah,

going to arrest him.
So we can all go home.
It's kind of like, how would youstep in a frame with the job?
I was like, Kurt, why don'tyou stop interfering with

Katie (01:11:33):
but he's just so handsome.

Oh, he's got a great head of hair.
Even my wife saw it.
She goes, God, he's got great hair.
I said, he's always had a great head of

Katie (01:11:39):
Oh, he, it's his trademark.
It's his trademark.

facial hair.
Like he, that man, he shouldalso be studied because he
has got great follicles.
Whatever his genetics are, he'sgot great genetic follicles.
He's got great hair.
He can great, great beards and mustaches.
He is, I mean, that's whyevery man wants to be like him.
Because, You know, He canjust have amazing facial hair.
It's unbelievable

Katie (01:12:01):
You have some pretty good facial hair, Scott.

can't grow hair in my head.
That's the problem.
Like I can't beat Kurt.
Kurt can grow beautiful hair and beautifulbeard, and he can look like Santa
Claus or a killer or a wild West guy.
You know, I'm kind of stuck inone, one genre at this point.

Katie (01:12:16):
Oh, and he has those piercing eyes, and it's, oh,

amazing in

Katie (01:12:20):
so handsome in this.

Meryl's not great, but that's not Meryl's fault.
She

Katie (01:12:25):
Mm hmm.

the girl there.
She's the eye candy.
She doesn't get a whole lot todo besides overreact to Kurt.
And like you said, be the bit of the.
I honestly, his biggestantagonist is her until the end.
Like really, his biggest antagonist is her
Unfairly.

Katie (01:12:44):
screaming at the TV during the final fight scene.
So we're in Miami.
It's storm.
It's like the storm season We'll getinto why the movie was named the mean
season but so there's a storm andthat causes a power outage during
the final fight, so I knew again.
I don't know if it's because I haveHindsight it being 2024 watching
this the second that they showed thedead body and it was his face blown

(01:13:07):
out So you couldn't see who he was Iwas like I knew it, that's not him.

that if he, having been in the military and having done
some police work when I was in themilitary and having been around corpses,
I did think that a handgun shot.
if he shot himself behind the ear like asuicide, that was a really big exit wound.
Like his, it looked like he had beenshot in the face with a Shotgun.
And I

Katie (01:13:30):
Mm hmm.

damn.
impressed by the practical effect though.
I was kind

Katie (01:13:34):
Mm hmm.

This looks better than some of the movie practical

Katie (01:13:38):
On a low, low budget.
Agreed.
Yeah.

I was like, man, they really put a lot
of money and time into that.
It looks really good.
Like you could almost say that that wasa person they found who was dead in the
Everglades and they just put a body Athing on and they used it like this is

Katie (01:13:50):
Can we go to the shop the morgue for a while?

I was disappointed that that was going to end that
way and then Again, it's the 80s.
So I can't, I try notto be too tough on it.
Cause it was, it is a movie ofits time, but even the end fight,
poor Merrill is screaming, thegun is on the floor nowadays.
I love how we've changed.
I love that we have moved away fromwomen are just damsels in distresses who

Katie (01:14:12):
Oh my god, I was screaming!

was like, is say this word, I don't mean I was like,
I want to go, bitch, grab the gun.
Just

Katie (01:14:20):
No shit!

it's right there.
It's right there.

Katie (01:14:23):
Do something!

both at this point.
They're both a pain in your ass.
Kill them both and move on toColorado and go do your thing.
Get rid of both these gentlemen who causenothing but heartache and pain and end it.
And then you knew that.
And again, this is the old wayof doing things in the movies.
They write dialogue for a purpose.
And I hate.
Knowing this stuff because it doesruin movies for me, when he said,
oh, yeah, we've got camera equipmentand lights I thought I was gonna this

(01:14:46):
is how he's gonna is how he's gonnadistract him I was like and then again
the lights come on at the right momentfor one second So he can flash him
in the face with the camera lights.
I thought oh
I was like, I'm gladwhat's not 1985 anymore?
I

Katie (01:15:02):
Mm hmm.

but there I

Katie (01:15:03):
Mm hmm.

away some of these really hokey movie tropes that
just Take you out of a film, right?

Katie (01:15:09):
Mm hmm.

a pretty decent story for the most part.

Katie (01:15:12):
Mm hmm.

of see where maybe I mean, it's like a predecessor to some
really good movies we would get in thenineties, where we would start to really
able to do not only a police drama,but also make a psychological thriller.
When you look at the silence of thelambs, you look at seven, because

Katie (01:15:27):
Oh yeah.

down the road, you go, okay.
And there's some moments inthis film where you go, okay,
I see where they're playing.
I see where this could go under theproper direction and the proper script
writing, because you had the cast.
I do believe you had the

Katie (01:15:41):
Oh, it was a great cast.

But it's just the execution was really poor and we leaned
into These terrible tropes that i'mglad are gone that really just the
film because it takes you out of it.
And it just, it ends up being a, okay.
You know, I don't go like, Oh, thatwas the worst film I've ever seen.
It wasn't,

Katie (01:16:01):
It was,

you

Katie (01:16:01):
yeah,

you're like, ah, it's like, if you go, you're like, I'm going to
go to this really nice restaurant tonight.

Katie (01:16:06):
mm.

you're like, God, it's got really good reviews.
And the waiter is kind of good.
And the staff, the staff is good, butthey just don't, they're just like tired.
And then you get like a decent meal.
You're like, Oh, I've hadbetter from them before.

Katie (01:16:19):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

like.
It was like, I've had better from them.

Katie (01:16:22):
Good analogy.
There were far too many, you could seethis fake setups coming from a mile away.
So I was never really in fear.
Oh, and even when she gets, thegirlfriend gets kidnapped at the end
and you hear a gunshot, like I was neverscared that he actually killed her.
I knew she wasn't dead.
Like the, we were meant to be like,

I

Katie (01:16:41):
you did

Oh, did this is where I was hoping that this is where some of

Katie (01:16:44):
it.
Maybe it would have been better.

the road came from.
Ooh, this is the movie,

Katie (01:16:47):
He does kill the girlfriend.

he kills the girlfriend.
and that starts to A thing that now we

Katie (01:16:52):
Mm hmm.

set on a back foot when we go into movies, not
knowing if a character is safe or not.

Katie (01:16:57):
Mm hmm.

I was like

Katie (01:16:58):
Yeah,

ah, she's going to be

Katie (01:17:00):
I was never,

ha.

Katie (01:17:01):
aside from the music creating some tension, I was never
scared that any of our characters,nothing would happen to them.

knew at the end that we were gonna hit
the guy bag cuz that's the 80s

Katie (01:17:11):
Mm hmm.

this many times on, on my other shows, especially when we're
doing the we look back at action and whyBruce Willis kind of started to change
and we get different movies as we moveforward out of the eighties, but you
never are at fear for the hero, the hero.
They put them in some, somepositions and you wonder how they're
going to get out of it, but you

Katie (01:17:28):
Mm hmm.

go, Oh, they're, they're in

Katie (01:17:31):
They might die.
Yeah.

never.
I never have ever thought thateven John McClane was going to die.

Katie (01:17:36):
Mm hmm.

I was like, no, he's not dying.
And we did a lethal weapon too, wherethey wanted to kill off Riggs's character.
But they decided not to, itwas in the original script.
And

Katie (01:17:44):
Studio won't.
Yeah.

not going to die.
So
it does become a problem when youknow, especially, you know, and I
think that's why movies had to change.
But when you start to watch movies andyou go, okay, if there are no stakes
as a viewer, why am I watching it?
Right?

Katie (01:18:00):
Good point.

if I'm going to go into it and everyone's going to
get out of this, the way we alwaysthink they're going to be in good
guys, always going to win, then whyare you making the movie at all?
What is your

Katie (01:18:08):
Mm hmm.

You

Katie (01:18:09):
Mm hmm.

kind of the thing is they didn't know what to do with
like when the first woman is killed.
Or why he even kills we don't knowwhy he does any of these things.
That's the other thing is like we of,that's why they didn't know what world
they were playing in is because there'sa reason he's making, he's doing these
murders and why he reaches out tothe guy besides he's a good writer.
So there's a story he wantsto tell, but we never hear it.

(01:18:33):
We never get that discussion.
Even in the last fight, normally that'sthe monologue where the villain tells
you his plans and then you kill him.
The old trope from back in thetwenties, thirties and forties,
when they used to do that stuff.
Yeah.
We don't get that either.
We get none of that.

Katie (01:18:46):
You're right.

took over popularity.

Katie (01:18:49):
Yes.

the

Katie (01:18:50):
That was

he's doing what he's doing.
So we really

Katie (01:18:53):
for attention.
We kind of assume at the endit's because of attention.
There was one point that maybe I wasjust confused where they're talking.
About the 5 murders.
So there's 5 murders, 3 women, 2 men.
And I thought, oh, he's recreatingthose murders that happened.
Was it in Chicago or Wisconsinsomewhere or something?

That feels like that's where it's going to lead, but

Katie (01:19:14):
Yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, he's recreating those, but yeah, you're right.
It that fell way short.
There were some little thethings I liked about it.
I was like, oh, Kurt has this coollike 60s era convertible Mustang.
Are you a car guy at all?

I have noticed though if you notice as you start to watch
movies We know our characters cool.
They always have a muscle car

Katie (01:19:36):
You're right.
You're right.

that matter what their profession is?
They could be if they're a cool teacher.
They've got some car that they've

Katie (01:19:43):
Yeah.
I

male American If you're a cool guy and you're white,

Katie (01:19:50):
have a cool car.

a muscle car.
or motorcycles.
One of those two, right?
It's

Katie (01:19:53):
You're right.

how we know you're a badass.
You know, it's the same thing.
I like go through all of themovies and you start going.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
He drives that.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
He all right.
Yeah, they're all driving Cool cars.
No one's getting into

Katie (01:20:06):
Cool guy checklist.
Yeah.

usually they're working at it at some point.
hood's always up.
There's some tools out.
We don't know what they're fixing, butthey're always in there making wrench
sounds and we're like, okay, he's fixing.
You have no idea what he's doing.
He could just be changing theoil, but he's just always a wrench
sound and hand me this and that'sthat's our standard dialogue

Katie (01:20:31):
You're right.
You're right.
I of course noticed a lotof what people were wearing.
I always noticed that Kurt,it was those glasses that he,
those very eighties glasses.
I don't even know what, isthat what they were called?

aviator.
So they're they're basicallybecome the this is terrible, but
they seem to be the new glasses.
That whether that was intentional orbecause they were cheaper, but serial
killers and like pedophile people and

Katie (01:20:55):
Yes.
Yes.

I mean, Jeffrey Dahmer wears them,

Katie (01:20:59):
Yes.

I mean, they just, I mean, I know they weren't intentionally
made that way, but I think theywere because they were the cheapest
version of glasses you could get.
So they're easy to have.
So it just became

Katie (01:21:06):
Yeah.

but yet he did have would become the, you're on a
list glasses, you know, like he maytouch children or kill people and

Katie (01:21:14):
Yep.
Those glasses.
He had those and the mid eighties jeans.
I on a good looking man.
Oh, I loved it.
It was great.
Jeans on Kurt Russell and his hair.
He was just.

I was like, you guys are in the summertime in Miami.
I

Katie (01:21:31):
Miami,

a little too much clothes.
Like I've been in Miami that time.
Like you guys probably

Katie (01:21:35):
especially at this time

was like dressed like

Katie (01:21:38):
norm.
Yes, I noticed too.
They're like, crawling around inthe Marsh Everglade area in suit.
The detectives still have theirsuit jackets on crawling around.
What are you doing?
It's July.

I

Katie (01:21:50):
It takes place in, doesn't it?
Yeah, I

Yeah.

Katie (01:21:54):
it takes place in July in Miami.

In hurricane season,

Katie (01:21:58):
yes, speaking of which,

Yep.
yeah,

Katie (01:22:01):
there's a few things like the power outage and why was there school in July?

Yeah.
That's what I'm thinking.
Yeah.
Or, or maybe if it's not July, it's June,May, maybe, but the South gets out in May.

Katie (01:22:16):
We do too.
I know the coasts usually.
Yeah.

in September.
because of the heat, they get out inMay and go back in August, which is

Katie (01:22:25):
Mm hmm.

there is that bit of a switch just based on because
of how much hotter it actuallygets down in The South than it
does out here up in the East coast.
But yeah, I don't know.
I, yeah.

Katie (01:22:36):
reason I think it's July or maybe even August is because it's
called the mean season and thattypically refers to late summer

Yeah.

Katie (01:22:46):
in.

hurricane season down

Katie (01:22:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so when I was looking up,because I had never heard that
term before, but I guess in Miami.
Oh, yeah, it is July.
I guess the main season refers to Miami,Florida, July a pattern of weather.
Yeah.
A pattern of weatherthat occurs in Florida

I've lived in the summertime there.
It is awful.
It is so goddamn hot.
Uncomfortable.
So a lot of

Katie (01:23:12):
It's the humidity.

of people live up here in like a Northern climate like you do.
Yeah.
They're tired of the snow and I get it.
You go down there in February, March.
It's gorgeous.
Yeah.
I get it.
But from may till sometimes October,it is in the hundreds in the nineties
and it's like 95 percent humidity.
And it is just, Brutal.
So you go from where we're uphere from you know, a warm house
to a warmed up car in the winter.

(01:23:35):
You go from air conditionedhouse to an air conditioner car.
You don't enjoy the summertime in Florida.
Summertime in Floridais in our wintertime.
That's the only time

Katie (01:23:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

so goddamn hot.

Katie (01:23:45):
the humidity just like over to you.
I walked I was there last month for workand I walked out of my hotel and verbally.

you?

Katie (01:23:52):
I, it was, I verbally said, ew,

Yes.

Katie (01:23:55):
I,

hotel to whatever car you're getting

Katie (01:23:57):
yes,

were already sweating and you're like, I've only been outside.
30 seconds and I'm

Katie (01:24:02):
but the problem, the problem is it's so cold indoors.
What are you supposed to wear?
Cause I'm cold inside.
Yeah.

degrees in the hotel.
It's 120 outside.
It's just such an extreme.

Katie (01:24:17):
Yeah.
At any rate, the mean season, it'sknown for the late summer months,
hot mornings, sticky weather leadingto violent thunderstorms that
blow in from the Caribbean and theGulf of Mexico in the afternoon.
However, the rain does not alleviatethe heat like it would in some places.
It only makes thingshotter in the evening and.
Cycle repeats every day for a month.

(01:24:38):
That's what's called the mean season.
I didn't know that.

it will come in around two 30, between two 34.
And then because it, it torrentialdownpours, like it rains biblically
and then all of a sudden it's gone.
It blows away and thenthe sun comes back out.
And if anyone knows anything aboutscience, I know in Florida, you don't
really, but in science, heat warmsup the water, turns it into vapor.
So it becomes a steam bath.

(01:25:02):
So normally like even up here,if it rains, usually it's a
cold front comes in behind it.
So it can drop it from 80 toabout 75, 70 degrees in a three
hour period because of the rain.
So now we

Katie (01:25:12):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

it only made it hotter.
It would just be like even worse.
It's just like you went from a sauna.
You took a hot shower andthen went into a sauna.
It's

Katie (01:25:20):
Ugh.
Mm

it's, it's terrible.

Katie (01:25:23):
mm.
Mm

The water, the water, the pool water, you see 90 degrees.
It's awful.

Katie (01:25:29):
Yeah, that doesn't sound good.

I used to take my kids.
We would jump into the hot tub atnight to get our body temperature
up to about 100 something.
So when we jumped into 95degree weather pool, It

Katie (01:25:37):
It felt cold.
Oh my God.
Hilarious.

Terrible.

Katie (01:25:42):
Of the other things I noticed about Joey Pants was, so he's the
photographer and they're, he's out,he in one scene has five different
cameras hanging, like hanging from him.
Now, I am not a photographer, butthat's not, that seemed odd to me.
Why, why five different cameras?
Hmm.

on when they actually started making how easy it
was to make interchangeable lenses.
So for him, he may have had fivecameras on so that at any moment
he could switch through focallengths to get a picture he needed

Katie (01:26:15):
Oh, what a pain in the ass.

Again, I think back in the 1980s, it may not have been as easy
as it is now where like the bags comewith the quick interchangeable lenses.
That may not have been a thing.

Katie (01:26:25):
Mm hmm.

So I don't know for sure.
So there may be someoneon here older who lives

Katie (01:26:28):
The tracks though.

out and let you know, but that's the
assumption I'm going to make.
There was just quicker.
For him in a fast

Katie (01:26:34):
Just grab one.
Yeah.

and take a picture.
He knew what he was using, buthe's not running anywhere, right?

Katie (01:26:39):
No, they're like big cameras, too.
Yeah

into your chest cavity.

Katie (01:26:43):
Yeah, yeah

has made the decision to walk wherever
he is going and going from.

Katie (01:26:49):
Okay.
Now I need to address the elephantin my room Which is that they
are planning to move from miamito a small town in colorado.
Sounds great Right.
The town they're choosingis greely colorado.
I don't know if anybody You

Greeley,

Katie (01:27:06):
Is familiar with it, it is definitely not a destination.
There are so many places it isand maybe it wasn't in the 80s.
So really.
Is a typical of other Colorado towns.
It's not pretty.
It's not near the mountains.
It is slaughterhouse and,meet what do they where they,
they bring them all in to.

(01:27:28):
Fatten them up.
What do you call that?
Like these commercial feedlots like that's Greeley.
So there's a smell and It isit's it's not a destination.
Anybody would go I don't know whythey didn't choose like some cute
quaint mountain town of whichthere's thousands But really, I

(01:27:48):
just thought that was so weird.
Maybe it's just the Colorado peoplethat will get that, you know,
understand what I'm talking about.

he does the, it's funny you say that, but the murderer
does tell him after the second killingthat there's a certain smell that once
you, you don't know what it is untilyou smell, but then it never leaves you.
So maybe he was talkingquietly about Greeley.

Katie (01:28:07):
good.
Yeah, because it's known here forits smells because there's cow flesh.
It's the smell of death.
And manure.
Mm hmm.
I do support moving from Miamito some town in Colorado.
Just not Greeley.
Okay, I'll get off, I'llget off of that now.

(01:28:30):
I did read though that the production interms of the principal photography was
filmed in real life Miami Herald newsroom.

wow.

Katie (01:28:38):
was yeah, but they had to do it between the hours of 10 30
PM and 6 30 AM so that they could

Yeah.

Katie (01:28:45):
work.
Yeah.
And you mentioned Andy Garcia and RichardBradford both being in The Untouchables.

Yes.

Katie (01:28:53):
is true.
They were in several moviestogether, which I'm like, hmm,
I wonder what's going on there.
In addition to The Untouchables, InternalAffairs, Steel Big Steel Little, Hoodlum,
Just the Ticket, and The Lost City.
Yeah,

know.
Or maybe Jack Nicholson, maybethose are the ones he produced
and this is the best man.
So he's going to get, he's going to

Katie (01:29:14):
maybe that could be could be anything else stand
out or scenes or anything.

I think what we discussed there's a lot of potential,
but the best scene is that sudden wemeet the killer realize he's the killer.
Until afterwards.
And that was

Katie (01:29:32):
Mm hmm.

well done scene, really well done.
Like I said, I knew that man'sface looked familiar, but I bought
every, and I hadn't seen the movie.
So I bought every second that he wassome former vets who just, you know,
he knew some information and, and, youknow, was trying to, trying to do his,
you know, be a good Samaritan and giveup the information, but also didn't want

(01:29:54):
to get killed because of the killer.
And then thing we know it is the guyand I was like, Oh my god, even they
even surprised me that was happeningI just thought this was like, okay
This is this is a cool look guywho he look he looked apart, right?
Like this guy looked

Katie (01:30:08):
Oh

being some trailer

Katie (01:30:09):
Slovenly like Slovenly You felt sorry for him Yeah,

Yeah, I mean when he's the I love the touches of him
oiling just the knee brace I was likethis then once I realized it wasn't real
I was like that is really well done.
That was a tip of thehat to the filmmakers.
That was a great scene They really theyreally Sold the hell out of that, but

Katie (01:30:30):
I liked that as well, especially because I had a visceral reaction to his
appearance When he was played that guy,

Mm

Katie (01:30:37):
and then we see him in like a suit.
Like he's gonna go pretend to bea substitute teacher to kidnap
Muriel Hemingway's character.
And he looks completelydifferent like it you.

Mm

Katie (01:30:49):
And I was like, oh, wow.
That was, I that I agree.
That was pretty well done.
Mm-Hmm.

could have done more of that, that's the problem with the
film is that they do the fake scares I'venever really worried about the killer.
They didn't know how they wanted thekiller to be, know They wanted to be
like this ominous character, but wenever felt it because the opening kill
is and again I'm not trying to be somekind of gore hound But if you're if we're
supposed to be thinking that we've gota serial killer who is dangerous This

(01:31:17):
kill needs to be more than him Justwalking some girl out into the beach and
then just shooting her like that just

Katie (01:31:22):
Mm-Hmm.

Weird.
Like even that opening like theywere so worried even then about
getting the right rating for it.
So that it could be watched by morepeople that they didn't give anyone
who would want to see that kindof movie, a reason to go see it.
And then even it just was kind of like,like you said, it's just like, okay.
It's another one of those movies.
Like you could see ona Netflix or something.
You go.
All right.
And you'll forget about it.
I will probably forget about this movieuntil something comes up or maybe I'll

(01:31:43):
see another movie in the same vein.
I'll go, Oh, you know, thatwas what, what it's a call.
Could have been mean seasoncould have been this way.
And, you know, they really could haveplayed a lot more in the serial killer.
If that movie comes out in thenineties, it's a different movie.
It's a lot darker, better film, much.
better film

Katie (01:32:02):
It was trying to be too many, like everything to everyone.

agreed

Katie (01:32:07):
and then it ends up.
Peeling to no one.

one.

Katie (01:32:11):
I, I, I did

the

Katie (01:32:13):
it's yeah.
Yes.

Mm

Katie (01:32:15):
your point about I'll forget about I have seen this movie recently
within the last year or two, butrewatching it last night, I was like,
Oh, I totally forgot about this.
Like I didn't recall any of it.
So it didn't have a lasting effect on me.
One, one last question for you thatI noticed the detectives, Andy, Andy
Garcia, and what was the other guy?

(01:32:36):
Richard Bradford.
They had revolvers.
And I don't know why I took note of that.
Was that a thing in the eight?
Cause I,

that was an old school way

Katie (01:32:45):
Oh,

if you look a lot of Films back then, they all
carried revolvers at the time that

Katie (01:32:51):
Mm.

standard until, So they've gone to now the different
side on more of the automaticsemi automatic sidearm that, that,
that, that is prevalent now today.
But yeah, it

Katie (01:33:00):
Mm hmm.

the old revolver.
I mean, even dirty Harry had the, I mean,he, of course he's dirty Harry, but he has

Katie (01:33:05):
Mm hmm.

you know, you're kind of like,

Katie (01:33:07):
Mm hmm.

that's maybe a little overkill, but yeah.
That was a standard.
I mean, I think

Katie (01:33:11):
Okay.

you look even the dire films, I think all the cops, you
know, then they all have revolvers.
They

Katie (01:33:16):
Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know anything about guns.
I just, but I did somehow notice that.
Cause I feel like I do like cop shows.
And maybe they're justlike more SVU ones newer.
And so they have a different kind of gun.
And so

thing about that is the revolver's one of
the weapons that doesn't jam.
It may be loud but doesn't jam wherelike your sidearm that now have the
automatics, they have tend to jam andhave jammed and misfired in situations.
The one thing about a revolver, you canalways pretty much count on the revolver

Katie (01:33:45):
true,

To do its thing.

Katie (01:33:47):
but then there's only like,

Yep.

Katie (01:33:49):
but isn't there only like 5 or 6?
Oh, okay.

Yeah.
Depending on what

Katie (01:33:53):
Okay,

Yeah.
true.
But at the same time, You're at leastgoing to get all six and eight shots

Katie (01:33:57):
true.

opposed to firing a bullet.
And then all of a sudden it jams.
And now

Katie (01:34:00):
You're dead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
All right.
Well, do you have any final thoughts?
About the mean season.
Okay.

anyone who's of an age that's not Gen X or older, it's
worth taking a look because it's alwaysworth seeing how films have progressed.
I think you, I don'tthink you can appreciate.
The films you watch or how they'vechanged, unless you've seen where
they've come from, you know, like youmay not be a fan of black and white
movies, but if you don't know where thefilm language started, you have no idea

(01:34:32):
how it got to where it is, you know?
So it's easy to go, well, this moviefrom 1985, doesn't look anything
like the movies in 2024, no shit.
Like it shouldn't, like we shouldhave progressed in 40 years

Katie (01:34:43):
Mm hmm.

then.
That was probably a better filmthan what we got in the forties.
So, you know, they would, butit was still using some of
that same film language that.
You know, the, the tropes, the,the, the fake out scares, the, the
guy, the bad guy's not dead yet.
We've got to have a finalconfrontation kind of thing.
That was stuff that usedto be very prevalent.
So I just think it's always good togo back and watch films and see where

(01:35:06):
people came from or where things comefrom, even if they're not good films.
I think you don't get appreciation ofgreat films without seeing everything.
Right?
Like what's what's how do you knowthe bar if you don't see even dog crap

Katie (01:35:16):
Good point.

greatest, you know,

Katie (01:35:18):
I love that.

pick movies They go.
Oh, that's the greatest movie ever seenbut have you seen these other movies
like there's far better movies thanwhat you're talking about and you have

Katie (01:35:25):
Yes.

in one little lane and you don't know good and
bad without seeing everything.
So

Katie (01:35:30):
Mm hmm.
I love that.
Good advice, Scott.
I like it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean the mean season may nothave been a hit but I very much enjoyed
watching Kurt for an hour and a halfBecause you know hit those eyes those
cheekbones that jawline that hair Thosejeans i'm i'm in it for kurt And I also
really like Joey Pants and Andy Garcia.

(01:35:51):
So it was fun.

think the

Katie (01:35:53):
It was a fun watch

right?
I think the

Katie (01:35:55):
and the villain.
Yes,

good.

Katie (01:35:56):
I agree.
I agree.
Agreed.
He

like, He
could have been one of those greatvillains in cinematic history, but they
just didn't give him enough to do so.
He could have been a Hannibal Lectertype a real creep that we were like,
Jesus, remember that guy from that

Katie (01:36:09):
has that creepiness.
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah.

for it.
He has the character.
The guy who played him had it.
They just didn't give himenough to do to really sell it.

Katie (01:36:19):
Agreed.
Well, I guess our recommendationis watch it if you haven't seen it.

Give it a shot.

Katie (01:36:25):
Yes.
And it is now time to return tothe present day reality until
the next episode of Retro Made.
Scott, thank you somuch for hanging with me

appreciate

Katie (01:36:36):
for the mean season.

it.

Katie (01:36:38):
Remind us what should we look forward to for

Oh,

Katie (01:36:41):
coming up in some of your new.

October, since I, my main podcast at the church Tarantino, I
have been doing Pulp Fiction the entireseason, looking at many aspects of it.
Since it's turning 30, it actually theday on Monday after we've recorded,
this will probably be a couple ofweeks, but on the 14th of October, it
will be its actual 30th anniversary.
I have a special anniversary showcoming out and then I have more episodes
coming up to the end of the year.

(01:37:04):
for the.
Men of action.
We will be doing Stallone.
Actually, we'll be coming out in November.
We just had the one you talkedabout, but we're putting Rambo two
up against the expendables too.
We're taking his two big franchises

Katie (01:37:17):
Oh, that's an easy one.

that's going to go.
For Bruce, we'll be reaching atthe end of October, our 20th.
We have a very special guest.
Sean O'Connell, who is

Katie (01:37:26):
Oh,

blend and he's also on the real blend podcast,
very popular movie podcast.
So he comes on, he wrote a book aboutBruce and he's done this journey.
So we have a really good conversationabout a movie called cosmic sin.
Really good.
And then kill Mary smash eat.
We'll be wrapping up the Wednesday afterthe election day here, but you were
on episode two, but recently for thismonth, I think we've had It'll be The

(01:37:51):
Matrix, Sopranos, Pulp Fiction BeverlyHills 90210, Scream, and then we close
it out with Star Trek The Next Generationwill be the last of our 10 episodes

Katie (01:38:00):
are good ones.
The Sopranos was good.
Yeah.
I was on the friends episodes.
I think it's such a fun concept.

fun to do.
Yeah.
it's a lot

Katie (01:38:08):
Yeah.

so.

Katie (01:38:09):
Well, thank you so much.

having me on as well.

Katie (01:38:12):
Yeah, of course.
Anytime.
And thank you all for listeningor watching on YouTube.
Please share the show.
I know I've been gone a littlewhile, so I could use the extra help.
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It goes a long way to helpretro junkies find RetroMade.
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