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Thanks for joining us for this special episode of Returning to Joy. In this episode, we’ll sit down with Gabrielle’s mother, Denise Leonard. In a season that has felt tumultuous and challenging for Gabrielle and her family, Denise has shared a word from the Lord that we want to share with the listeners today. 

When God is preparing us for a new thing He is bringing into our lives, and when we transition into a new season with the birth of something new in front of us, it often doesn’t feel good. It can sometimes be painful, confusing, intense, difficult… But God is graceful, and there is wisdom to be gleaned from looking at the actual process of childbirth. Denise will walk us through this and more, and will send us with a mother’s prayer.

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Gabrielle Leonard (00:00):
Welcome to the return to joy podcast. I'm

(00:02):
your host, Gabrielle MichelLeonard. Here we're leading
people to cultivate joy throughstorytelling. We hope listening
will reveal pathways tounlocking the healing power of
connection so that you can seeyour relationships and the world
around you transformed fromfractured into flourishing was

(00:24):
up Beloved's. I'm really excitedabout this episode, because my
mom's here. She is recordingwith me. And it's actually kind
of funny. I'm, I'm in Dallas,visiting family, specifically,
my oldest sister Danielle has awedding shower this weekend. And

(00:44):
so I'm away from the podcaststudio. So we're literally
recording and my little sisterGrace's bathroom using
microphone setup that she's got.
Because she does spoken words,and she does some music. So
she's got recording equipment.
And you know, if you don'tremember, grace is the one who
actually did the beat for thispodcast. So it means a lot to

(01:08):
me. So it's the whole familyaffair that's happening on this
episode. But mom, I asked you tocome on this episode, because
last year in a really rough andhard time for me, or I felt like
hit with a crazy blow just likean an unexpected wave is the

(01:31):
best way to say where you think,man, life is going good or at
least better, right? Becausethere was already wave after
wave that felt like was crashingover me in some different ways.
Last year, you know, year beforethat, and I feel like that
resonates with a lot of people.
Where these last several years,it may seem like there's been

(01:52):
wave after wave. And last year,I thought we were finally
cruising, and another wave camein hit me. And I, I was I was so
hurt. And I felt so broken, butalso so I'm wrestling through
this pain and transition that'shappening. And also still
sensing and feeling like I'mcarrying something that God's

(02:17):
wanting to give birth to. Sothere is some there's a level of
future hope, and anticipation.
But there's also just challengeand hardship. And Mom, you spoke
a word to me about travailing,you spoke a word to me about the

(02:40):
birthing process and what youlearned from that. And so I
wanted you to come on, and talkabout that word that you shared
with me. Because I believe thatother people would benefit from
hearing so mom, would you sharewhat you shared with me, however
it comes out in this moment atleast?

Denise Leonard (03:01):
Well, I remember that time of sharing came for
thumb, the word that I shareddefinitely by the Spirit because
I wasn't even thinking about theaspect of the birthing process

(03:22):
and having the opportunity toshare with you. But one of the
things that the LOI teaches us alot of things in through
parables, the life situationsand at that particular time the
Lord's share with me I had toshare with you about what was

(03:46):
transpiring in your life andthrough the birthing process.
And as I share it with you Iremember my first pregnancy and
when it was time to give birthhad come to that full term you

(04:06):
know that time to give birth. Ido remember that the labor was
long. I mean I remember havingbeen in labor, those early
contractions and walking so thatthings will you know kind of

(04:29):
speed up you know income about Iremember going to the hospital
and being told no it's not timeyet. It's not time and being
sent home. And then I rememberafter getting full of a meal I

(04:51):
remember the breaking of mywater when that that in the
birthing process they will theyhave a place when they call
hitting the wall when the babydrill plops down into the birth
canal. And that waterbed breaksand you feel it when the baby
drops. And then it was time togo in and I went in contractions

(05:13):
going in the labor process. Andwhen you're in labor, one of the
things that you want to do isyou want to, and those
contractions are taking place,you want to find that place with
your footing on a firmfoundation, or firm place, but

(05:36):
you you're pressing with yourfeet up against that foundation,
but you're relaxing your body,you know, you're relaxing your
body so that that baby can justthose more tighten up so the
baby can come forward. And thenas the contractions continue
increasing, and you're breathingthrough them, you breathe into

(05:57):
that. And it's like breathingthrough them and giving air to
your body air to the the musclesin your air to in the process,
taking in the air, and breathingit through. And relaxing as you
go through the process. And thenthere's that place when it's

(06:20):
that transition, when thecontractions are coming so fast,
you know, you they literallymean it's like, three, two
minutes apart. But if they'rethree or two minutes apart, and
each contraction is a minute anda half, it almost seems like
they're back to back to back toback. But you still have to
breathe through. And you have tofocus you find that spot, you

(06:44):
know where you Your eyes arefocused. For me at that time, I
found a spot on the wall andthat they had like a cross or
something that was up there andat the time and, and I just felt
and pressing my feet, you know,against the shoulders of your
dad and then just continueswhile I wrote that there was no

(07:07):
footing on the bed, and thenjust relaxing, as I would in
breathing through. And that's Iremember sharing with you
because the Lord showed me thatand reminded me and brought that
back to me because that's how itis in our process. As we go
through whatever changes we'regoing through in life, whatever
thing that's taking place andtranspiring it there can be the

(07:29):
continued process of growing andit stops, you know, or it slows
down. And you have to still walkout, walk out what's taking
place, in order to get to theend of the price is going to
come about, but it's going torequire you walking out and then
just breathing in through takingin the nourishment that you

(07:50):
need, while you wait for it totake place. The the Word of God
to you know that prayer timethat praise time, so you can
just kind of, you know, take inwhile you walking out what's
going on. And that don'tnecessarily mean that it's gonna
feel great. My mindset was, youknow, if you don't fight against

(08:11):
it, that's why the relaxing ofyour body as the baby going
through that birthing process,and just your legs are firmly
planted. You know, while you're,you're our spirit, our mindset
firmly planted, you know, on theWord of God firmly planted, you
know, in trusting in the LORDfirmly planted, and then we just

(08:35):
kind of relaxing in it, restingin, breathing through in
allowing the process to takeplace. I remember sharing with
you those transition, thattransition period is just like
it is on our spiritual walk. Andwhen things speed up in God, the
way, the way diamonds come aboutis through pressure that coal is

(08:59):
pressure, pressure, pressureupon that coal until it
literally is transformed intothe diamond. But it has to go
through that pressure and thattransition process. And in order
for us to, to have what wedesire to take place in our

(09:20):
lives in the Lord and thosedesires and he's given us we
have to take that transactionhere. We have to go through that
process. And that process bringsabout new life. It brings about
new life, but it's gotta be it'sgonna be that transition. It's
gonna be you're gonna feel thatpulling, you're gonna feel that,

(09:43):
you know, but it's, it's in theend. And when that new life
comes about that was the goodpart. When that new life comes
about when he comes forth, youknow, you remember that it was a
process you had to go throughAnd you remember, the struggle
was there, but you don'tremember the intensity? You

(10:07):
know, you can Oh, yeah,remember, it was so rough, but
you really don't remember. Ifyou, if you put a number two,
they say, Well, how much you'repaying taxes is? Where is it one
to two, you don't remember thatcost cuz the new light that
comes forth, wipes, all of thatwashes it away. And that's how
that transition period takesplace. And that's the Lord does.

Gabrielle Leonard (10:32):
Man, that's so good mom is so good. And, you
know, one thing that reallystruck me, when you were talking
with me, I think we were on thephone. And you were having a
conversation with me about, youknow, this, the labor pains and
the birthing process and, andthe, the connection points like

(10:54):
you literally putting your feetupon my dad's shoulders, and
that, that being that firm,foundation place for you
literally in that moment, andthen fixing your eyes upon a
focal point. And then you talkedabout, which really resonated
how when we fight against thetransition, or the contractions,

(11:15):
you know, specifically whenwe're fighting against, though
that that feeling what'shappening, that's actually part
of the process, part of movingthings forward part of the
birthing process, it actuallycreates more pain. And I
remember when that just how muchit resonated and how much
hearing that made me go okay.
How, how do I let go? And whatwhat do I need to do? It just it

(11:40):
challenged me to at least beginto lean in and go, Alright, how
do I fight? Let me stop, let mestop fighting against this
process. So I really resonatedwith that word around, not
fighting it, because fightingagainst the transition, the

(12:00):
changes the convenience, likecontractions, and labor only
increases the pain and that thatjust hit me hard when you were
sharing that with me.

Denise Leonard (12:13):
That is, I'm glad you you brought that back
up. And because that's exactly,I remember sharing that with
you, because that's exactly whattakes place. When you're going
through. That's why there isthat relaxing your body. For the
contractions to come for you asa contraction is taking place.

(12:34):
When you breathe in through it,the intensity is when you fight
against if you tighten up yourbody, you're fighting against
that baby coming forth, you'refighting against that birthing
process of that baby, you it'sthe muscles are holding against
a pathway that the pathway thatthat baby has to take to get

(12:56):
through that birthing process.
You're fighting against it,you're holding back the baby
against against those thingsagainst that process. And so I
just remember saying, you know,no, you're right, you have to
rest, you have to rush yourbody, relax your body and, and
breathe through it. And you'llfeel that baby going but it

(13:20):
won't. It's the intensity is notthere. It the intensity is there
when you fight against theprocess. And that's how it is in
our spiritual war. The intensityof what we encounter, when we
fight against what the Lord istrying to do in our lives. The
struggle is there when we fightagainst what he's trying to do

(13:41):
in our lives. But if we go withhim, rest in Him. That's when we
go through the process. We seeit we feel it but we we can we
can walk through that processand come out on the other side
in life.

Gabrielle Leonard (14:03):
Mom, I feel like it wouldn't be appropriate
for you to leave us withoutgiving a mother's prayer. Like I
some people listening may have aprayer warring mama currently
right now in their lives. Somepeople may have had a mother who

(14:25):
wars in prayer and now she's notwith them anymore. Or some may
not have you ever had that hadthat privilege specifically in
their lives. And so for anyonelistening, I would love mom of
you would speak a mother'sprayer over them. Because I know

(14:45):
for me in some of the deepestand most challenging times of my
life. Your prayers have beentimely. You've spoken some words
in my life that have beentimely. We No, we don't always
see eye to eye. we've bumpedheads, right? But there has been
some key moments when you'vespoken a word. And it's just,

(15:13):
it's helped calm the stormthat's that's inside, maybe
hasn't changed what's going onoutside, externally what's
happening to me, but itdefinitely has felt like it's
spoken Peace be still to whatwas happening inside of me. So
mom, would you just in thismoment, speak a mother's prayer,
however it comes out. And ifyou're listening, I just

(15:36):
encourage you to receive it. Seeif there's something that she
says that resonates with you andtake it as a word, from God to
you, let it be an encouragement.
Let it be nourishment to you.
Let it be what helps get youthrough and continue in this
process. Because God is birthingsomething in your life.

Denise Leonard (16:01):
I will father come before You Thank You, Lord,
for the privilege this, thisopportunity to speak over those
who are listening as if theywere my own children. My own
biological children, this is aprivilege to speak a blessing

(16:24):
over them. Father, you said inyour work that life and death is
in the tongue. Though we canspeak blessings and we can speak
curses and Bravo right nowyou've given me the opportunity
to speak a blessing over thosewho are listening. Lord Jesus, I

(16:45):
just thank you that right nowthe blood of Jesus is covering
everyone that speak in thosethat don't know you in the
pardon of their sins, I callthem forth. I speak against
those things that will seek tohinder and harm and hurt and
misdirect right now in the nameof Jesus. For those who know you

(17:07):
in the pardon of their sins, Ispeak life. I speak Lord, that
they are new creatures. Oldthings are passed away and all
things have become new. They areno longer bound by the things of
their past law, but they're beenset free. Father, you've also

(17:27):
said you are deigned theblessing. So right now I speak
the blessing upon I declareright now that they are the head
and not the tail, they are aboveand not beneath. I speak right
now the blessing. I speak rightnow that they are your sheep

(17:50):
called to your pasture. And thatthey hear your voice and other
are buying every voice thatwould seek to come against them,
or buying their own voice everypreconceived notion of how their
lives should, could walk in Go.
That was Seaton that allowedthem to come forth in in prosper

(18:14):
and grow in the your purpose asimplants for their lives. Lord,
you knew every last single oneand you called them by name
before they were formed in theirmother's womb. There's something
about them that you don't know.
There's nothing that they'vedone that you cannot overcome.

(18:36):
There's nothing that can takeplace in their lives. There's
nothing they can do that canremove your love from them. The
opportunity to become the sonsand daughters of the Most High
God through your shed blood ofour Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
is theirs. I think you will havethat every one who hears my

(18:58):
voice right now. That the seedof this the truth of this, but
the fallow ground of theirhearts have broken up and that
they it's falling on good soiland the fruit of that soil shall
come for 3060 and 100 fold inevery aspects of their life. If

(19:18):
they're mentally struggling as Ispeak right now the mind of
Christ. If they're physicallystruggling to speak healing, if
they're emotionally strugglingright now I speak rest. Lord
right now peace that passes allunderstanding. Lon Thank you,

(19:39):
Father that you said in yourword that all things work
together for good to them thatlove the Lord and are called
according to His purpose and youhave ordained their steps. They
don't have to ask you. Can youorder my steps because you've

(20:00):
already done it and declare thateyes are open, and ears hear
that they're able to see whereyou've lived the path for them
to step in wavelet the path forthem to walk in the directions
that you've called him to go.
And at the peace will be thereto understand that if by some

(20:22):
chance they should stray, butthey will remember that the God
who created them, knows them,and awaits them. And those who
are struggling, Lord, that Hethat our Lord stands at the door
waiting, knocking, waiting forthem to answer and our call for

(20:46):
that answer a call for thatanswer. So that they might see
true love not this love theworld tries to offer. But agape
loves the Lord's love. Not thateros love that sexual love that

(21:08):
lustful love that that love mapthe love that says that I have
to have someone else complete mebecause they're complete in the
Lord. If they choose that path,and I call that path and right
now are great you are crap youtold me that you might lay your

(21:36):
head on my shoulder and I canrub your head and let you know
the love of our Lord and SaviorJesus Christ that He loves you
more than even I lay your headon his breasts feel his

(21:59):
heartbeat drink from the cup andin his hand. And the Love y'all
know will give you so much peaceand Jesus.

Gabrielle Leonard (22:24):
All right, I want to thank you guys for
listening in. Mom, I want tothank you so much for being on
this episode. I personally feela lot of gratitude and joy
because I wanted you guys tohear this word because it really
did encourage me. And it mayencourage you in a different
way. But I also wanted tocapture my mother's wisdom and a

(22:51):
recorded way. Because I'mthinking about the future. And
thinking about one day beingable to have this and and be
reminded of those words. And Iam grateful for it. So this is
also a little plug if there'speople in your life that have
spoken wisdom to you. Maybe youhear them sometimes and maybe

(23:13):
you don't hear them some othertimes. Maybe you're like gone,
you know gone I don't care. Butcherish those people that speak
wisdom to you. Maybe that'sfamily maybe that's friends
maybe that's you know, chosenfamily but but cherish those
words of wisdom and cherishthem, honor them figure out ways

(23:33):
like what does that look looklike to honor their words, and
to honor their contributionsinto your life and to really
hold those dearly, to savorthose moments. Because we don't
know how long we have people inour lives. And I feel like every
day is a gift that my my parentsare here with me. And I pray

(23:57):
that my mother was able to be ablessing to you all listening in
this moment. All right. Adios, IBeloved's if you're hearing this
message, you've listened to theentire episode. And for that I
am deeply grateful. I hope thisepisode resonated with you and
if it did help us out by sharingthis episode and leaving a

(24:19):
review on Apple podcasts, andSpotify. Most importantly, reach
out to let me know how you'reengaging with this episode, and
what topics you'd like to seecovered in the future. You can
connect with us on social media,or get in touch with me directly
at Gabrielle at returning tojoy.com to share your heart.
I'll see you in two weeks for anew episode.
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