176. Crystal McCrory Jones: He's a Chronic Liar...But Not About This? - Part 2 of 5 - Reverie True Crime

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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello, and welcome to Reverie True Crime. I'm your host page.
You're about to listen to the recorded meeting between Crystal
Rory Jones's sister Janna, her brother Dane, her sister in
law Julie, and Sheriff Matthews of West Carol Parish sh

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a meeting where nearly every red flag they raised was
explained away, where real, documented inconsistencies were brushed off as misunderstandings,
and where the sheriff flat out called Crystal's husband, Tony Jones,
a chronic liar, but somehow still stood by the story

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Tony gave about Crystal's death. The sheriff said, quote, he
lies about everything but lying is in a crime, and
that's true. But how is it that someone can lie
about their whereabouts, their job, even their connections to law enforcement,

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yet be considered completely trustworthy when it comes to how
their wife died. This is not about blame. It's about logic,
it's about patterns, and it's about a family trying to
make sense of how someone so loved and so full
of life ended up gone. While the people in charge

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seem more committed to defending the narrative than questioning it,
there are bleeps in this episode anytime a conversation or
mentions of certain things that happened in Tony's past and
things he has done but has never been criminally charged for,
are brought up since there is no concrete evidence to

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prove to the world that those horrible things took place.
There is also a bleep when a phone number is
being given. So with that being said, let's get right
into it.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Taller guys, So thank y'all for going in and reaching
out to me. I like I told you yesterday, Jah,
I had called in text.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
We couldn't connect for whatever reason.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
I think it's my phone couldn't place a call this
morn into it when eight hundred.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
Numbers saying so I I honestly think that was my
phone m.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Aeni uh what she called me yesterday and we were
talking about it, and I said, please called didn't let
her know because she can call me directly.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
That's and so meanwhile, I'm thankful that we've we've been
introduce me.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Thank you for the per taking time. I absolutely appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well, that's that's that's not an issue.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
We just kind of we've got some concerns. Kind of Okay,
I kind of call it.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
I I in you know, I know as a sheriff
that none of this probably rises to the burden of
proof of any kind of foul player on doing it
to us. It just you know, it raises some serious
red flags. One of the first things that kind of
called me is cause you know, I've been talking to
Tawny throughout this whole thing, and just the timeline of

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events is concerns.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Me because i'm'na kind of take some notes as sure
as we're home and.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
My my missy, my care I've seen much wars.

Speaker 8 (04:04):
Okay, Well, he told me, you know, this is just
me and him speaking that he had been working at
the school all day and had started, you know, trying
to get and so he said he spoke with Crystal
at ten or six in the morning, but that he
had been working at the school all day long when
he left the school to go that's when he, you know,

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was getting ready.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
To leave the school and he called to see if
Crystal had.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
Made made it to a doctor's appointment and found out
that she hadn't and he was at Karate school and
that's why he called.

Speaker 7 (04:35):
I guess David.

Speaker 8 (04:36):
Matthews to go over him and check the house or
definitely get Hatson sorry to go and check on the house.
Where's the thing we've located his cell phone and Basstrip
on that day. He never mentioned anything to mean by
going to Bastrip anything like that. And I'm gonna touch
on some things in John's gonna show you the proof

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we have we found on a laptop that she obtained.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
It used to want to my sister. Apparently she had
some concerns with his whereabouts as well. So anyway, we'll
get to that in the man.

Speaker 8 (05:06):
So that kind of caught me off guard that, like, Okay,
he's telling me that he's at the school all day
and didn't leave until he was done, he checked shy
and out of school when they went to private school.
Didn't say anything about being in bastrip whatsoever. And another
time we were talking, I was asking him about some
things and we were talking after the day and found
the showcasing.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
I was asking him.

Speaker 8 (05:27):
I was like, well, you know that, just to me,
that's kind of a red flag. It's such a small bedroom.
It's a fifteen bout fifteen bedroom. It's not like you're
looking for showcasing outside.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
And let me very quickly address that before two far.
Hopefully you have to know and understand.

Speaker 9 (05:47):
Sometimes a shellcasing is very hot, wanted the jicks from
a pistol, right, and when it hits something, it may
stick stick too.

Speaker 10 (05:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
We after after we could not locate the casing within
the room, because I'm telling you we.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
So we kind of.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Assumed, Okay, it could have possibly been in her hair, right,
I get that that, uh, man and I may touched
a nerve here, Okay, past bear with me.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Uh the blood that was in her hair, blood very sticky.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Okay, Possibly it's in her hair. Possibly it's within her
clothing that she had on. She had on a robe,
a bathrobe. It's possible that it could be within that robe.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Uh So.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
When they do an autopsy there a body is sent
to the autopsy to the doctor.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Just as we find it, robe, clothes and all.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
We were hoping that that that casing would be found
by the doctor when he does.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
The auto And that makes complete, perfect sense.

Speaker 11 (07:05):
I did that.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
But what my concern is, okay, so hold it okay
with me?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
So after Tony calls and says, hey, I found the casing,
here's where it was at.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Alan, my chief deputy goes back and he looks at
the photos that he took.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
There's the shell case thing in the photo. Yeah, picture, okay,
it's there. Okay, that alleviates second sign.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
So the.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Medicine, the makeup stand, we did not.

Speaker 12 (07:42):
We did not serveach it.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
With a fine toothed comb like we did everything else.
Because it was five to six feet y'all know how
far it was from the bed. It's five to six feet.
Probably maybe he's even further that we we just did
not search that top of that makeup stand. Maybe not

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we should have. But again they're in the photo. You
can plainly see the shellcase.

Speaker 13 (08:14):
And was later okay, how how five eyes five.

Speaker 12 (08:18):
Sets of eyes overlooked that.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, okay, well that kind of that's what does it please?
No one understand. I have no doubt in my mind
it was an oversight on our port that we didn't
see it. It's lay there and you could plainly see
it in the photograph.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
Okay, So well that was my concern that it kind
of seemed to me like that maybe it was placed
there after the fact that after all the cleaners and
everybody that that that allediates that concern.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
But here's another thing.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
When we were talking about the showcase now, Sir Tony,
I said, have we heard ahead?

Speaker 5 (08:52):
No to, But.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
We were talking to discussing the showcase and issue.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
And everything, and I was like, well, you know a
lot of things gonna write on time of death, and
you know, I asked him. I was like, that is
anything that ha been heard from a little right yet
from the forensic pathologists insofar as you know, time of
death just come fliminary stuff.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
Yeah, they ruled it five hours probably, he said, right
around five hours after I talked to it. Well, I
called to take Verbie, have to take Verby, said, y'all,
haven't heard anything from Little Rock as far as time
of death.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
Yet No, as far as he is said that he knows.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, So let me.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
See on everything that you're you're hitting it with. Please
please don't don't don't take it like that.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
I'm not, but let me let me try to shed
some light.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
From my perspective on your your issues that you have. Uh, okay, he.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Knows the last time that he spoke to her, he
he knows, uh, probably from me that it was a
gunshot wound because I told him.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
That he wanted to know what what was what was
the cause of death?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
All right, sir, right, if you give tell you the
same thing, I'm not going to leave you hanging for
days on end wondering what happened to your wife in there?
Told me it was a gunshot woman a central gunshot
wound at death there.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
No, don't I under saying that he's next to ken y'all.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
So I probably provided that information to him at some
point to say.

Speaker 12 (10:33):
Man, it looks like, uh, you know, it looks like
she's been there four or five hours.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
You know, if you talk to her. I don't even
know the exacts.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Nothing from the from the pathologists.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Now, absolutely no, there's nothing. Nothing from them.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
And he the pathologist and the doctor up there is
not going to relay that information to anybody but me.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
He's not going to relate to you.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
That's why I threw a red flag for you. It's
because how are you able to understand me?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Knowing Tony.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Our almost could see where maybe in his mind he
construed it, you know, So that's just me.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
But anyway, another concern that we kind of had is
they were having some serious, serious financial issues, you know,
which was related to me through my.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
Conversations with Bristol and to Jana.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
When her oldest son, Cortman, called her about a month
ago to let her know that him and his girlfriend
were pregnant and she was going to be a grandma.
You know that she was elated by the news, you know,
and we're kind of talking about it, and you know,
and she just kind of brought up the face. She
was like, well, old Tony seems to be concerned about
it's going to have to max out another credit card
for me to go and see my grandchild in upstate

(11:53):
New York. Nothing illegal about being an asshole, you know,
I'm gonna be frank.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
I understand that. But what it told me is that
they have.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Really hardcore financial strain going on in their life right now.
A lot of maxed up credit cards, things of that
nature that she said. They have spent a bunch of
money repairing vehicle and all that. But this kind of
leads to where some of them, with Janet's going to
show you they went from having some really difficult financial
issues to there's some money coming in now. There's a

(12:24):
rental property in Tennessee, there's been a rental car security
in Hawaii. Just kind of spitball in here. It looks
like he's getting ready to leave. He's getting ready to
dunk some of his stuff in Tennessee and go to
Hawaii or however long. That's not, like I said, I
know that's not illegal, but it's raised his red flag here,

(12:45):
especially you know, for the family. We've been just digging
into his past criminal history he has. He doesn't stay
anywhere for long. He's got some serious issues with He's
got some serious issues, but he doesn't stay.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
Anywhere for long. He's bounced around all over the place.

Speaker 8 (13:03):
And my concern is if my sister found out about
some of these things and the dating slights he was on.
She's got the proof of all the dating slights that
he's been on for the past couple of years. If
my sister found something that could have put him in
legal jeopardy, I wouldn't put it past and to try
to stage something, I'm just gonna go ahead and throw

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that out there. And I know he's well known around here,
and so frankly that doesn't comfort me. It raises some
conflict of interest issues. Not really that you guys are professional.
I'm not sparitu law enforcement at all. You guys are pros.
But what I'm getting at is there may be unconscious,
inherent bias of what normal this guy likely take. Urby
told me, I'm known this guy for twenty years. It's

(13:46):
kind of like, well, man, maybe she separate yourself from
it a little bit because you're close to this guy,
you know. But there's there's just a lot of red flags.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
So let me ask you yeah again, And I want
to be I want to be as transparent and clear
because I don't want there to be in question.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
What would.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
Do you have concerns that my office.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Is not litally, not at all.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
I'm just saying that we would like maybe a second
look because there's new things coming to light.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
He has.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
This case, as as with every other case, has never closed.
Nobody has. Nobody has closed this cause. So if you've
got that assumption, let me clear that up. The case
has never closed. Right, I've got a double homicide from
nineteen seventy two right there that happened in EPs, right

(14:43):
there in this file. It's never closed. I look at
it from time to time to say, man, did they
miss something? Then maybe I could pick up on So
a case has never closed.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
And just so unclear, I'm not, like I said, I'm
not disparaging your department or Detective Irby in any way.
You guys are for all I know, there's a reason
you're in your positions. You've excelled, You've proven yourself to
be good at.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
What you do.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
What I'm my concern is is that if there may
be unconscious bias of like, well, I'm on Tommy for
twenty years and he would you know it, maybe side
was ever looked, or you know, maybe there's other avenues
of you know, investigation that might prove helpful to feel
because if there is any kind of anything that can
be proven or things that come up later. I really

(15:32):
wanted to get this apologists report back, but I understand
that's going to takes some time.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
But I also have concerns about her being right handed.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
And it appears and I know we're not going to
know this for sure to the Corners report, but I've
seen the body. It looks like her non diminant left
hand was used. It looked there was bruising on her body.
That a funeral director.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
How do you know the left hand was used?

Speaker 7 (15:54):
That's what I'm saying. Where when we get the Corners report?

Speaker 9 (15:56):
No, no, no, some less had these questions were good
And again I'm not trying to pull cold.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, you know, and I do, so I want to know,
how do you know where left hand was?

Speaker 8 (16:08):
It looks on the body, it looks kind of light.
I mean the entrance wom exit wound is on the
right hand side of of the head. You know, I
was in the National Guard, I sold fires were living.
I'm quite aware of ballistics things of that nature. And
they just looked funny to me.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
And I said, deection when a photograph or or just
the one at the funeral.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
Before before the before the makeup was applied, I had
to apply her makeup.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, was on the right hand.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
Yes, yeah, Like I said, you know, that's going to
be in the pathologist report. But statistically, you know, now
I've looked up you know this, all these statistics from
from FBI website. Is very rare that someone uses air
non dominant hand. It's also very rare that female, you know,
when they do use a farm. It's very rare that

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they you know, head or face. It is generally to
the body, but it's extremely rare for non dominant hands.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
You got all that.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
That raised a lot of red flags for me, just
the logistics of and like I said, all that's gonna
be you know, and doctor Pett's, but it raises a
red flag for us.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
And any anyway. I mean, like I said, it just
kind of seems odd to me.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
You know, this past criminal history or things he's been
accused of that he is making plans to to hal
assn this.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Oh this is a wide thing?

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Is this something?

Speaker 13 (17:32):
Is it just a trip?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Uh that he is playing? Now he was a I'll
shadow you though, Okay, I'm done, so I'll show alright,
let me take this out.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
So this it was long into a school boy account,
and this is where he had his phone and this
is the day of her Deathinitely annoyance and can pustraight.
It shows you know he loved his house. This is
the address he drove too on Candice Land Pastris. That
shows how long he was there.

Speaker 13 (18:04):
Stopped at the bakery farm, and then he shows where
he was at Forest High School from Bubble one for
two forty three r and then I had a prentice
when a little different fl cut off. Then he drove
to Sonic from three poty five.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
To three fifty seven. Then Sue want a.

Speaker 13 (18:19):
Super center four eleven.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
Then this was the same thing as kind of broke
up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
And then he drove home. Was driving around the Oak
Road from for sixteen to four thirty.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Seven and then home.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
He ain't actually called to check on her that doctor
doctorin until thirty sixteen.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Timeline consistency is badly yeah, because.

Speaker 13 (18:41):
That's when he googled her.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
She's from medical clinic in Lake Providence where her doctor's
do doctor OFFICEITESI I have clasts of all this, so
I mean this is yours, mkay.

Speaker 13 (18:50):
I was telling you that he deleted contacts on his phone.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't know any of.

Speaker 13 (18:55):
These people will.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Say I know that.

Speaker 13 (19:04):
A doctor uh Williams.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
This is how it was listened to his phone. If
I printed this straight out of his Gooogle with now
for the doctor Williams. He had it listed as a
coroner with a cell phone.

Speaker 13 (19:14):
These were the all deleted from this.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Phone, get you, the GA, the the the no, the
factual phone on February the eighth, the ninth fourth she
died a pastor Smith, a chief deputy Smith. Now he
deleted the phone number before he deleted.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
The contract.

Speaker 13 (19:32):
A Taylor Carol Rhade, Like I said, these are people
that he deleted the no. Other people were deleted at
his phone.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Now worth does it show a date? Is the okay?

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I show all of 'em throk weirdy eight the only
context he's ever related at the phone all from this
phone that the deleted it from the.

Speaker 13 (19:50):
Get Samsung Galaxy and this is the phone he uses.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
That's something to do a little phone okay.

Speaker 13 (19:56):
And then ons the phone numbers.

Speaker 7 (19:58):
One of 'em is his cousin.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
She was actually at the you know again they had
just raised red flight as why would you why would you.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Be leave the cousin's from phone and that was the
night before her death.

Speaker 13 (20:13):
And this right here, this, yeah, she's the owner. I
did google the number. That's one of my pe This
one listed a address that's the Bailey Born.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, sh she's not.

Speaker 13 (20:26):
I can't see what she and I got those notes
from me, but that was the address of the bakery Born.

Speaker 12 (20:31):
So I wasn't you know, that was just my notes.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
You know, don't like that those people over But.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
They did have phone numbers.

Speaker 8 (20:39):
You're probably mary concerned for him deleting all these numbers
as well. While these numbers people leaded the night before death.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
There's a lot of little things that when you look
at them individually, might not mean much, but when we
look at the big picture and collectively, that tends to
r tell a different story.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Definitely discrepancies.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
And it's in again the please please don't don't take
this is is.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Me shooting holes in your door. But let me let
me tell you if someone were to look at my phone,
I was in I was in here the other day
and I I was looking for a particular number and
as I'm going through my contact list, I I said,
dang that that lady passed away.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Said he that, Yeah, that's an old word.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I had about fifty right all in.

Speaker 12 (21:27):
The same as as I'm sitting there, I said, you
don't think.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I'll take a little time and go through my my
contact list. I deleted about fifty that day, sitting right
here in his check. Again, please don't take that as
me trying to shoot holes.

Speaker 13 (21:39):
In your.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Trying to keep it logical.

Speaker 13 (21:43):
But but when you look at Timmy and things like that.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Question. Yeah, So the reason why I it ties together
on February the eighth, the day before eleven forty, someone
had to this. This goes to Tony's email with my
sister to access so when walker with the AT and
T account, But it was from the advice that normally
doesn't long again because it's sam a one time terrification
of which again my sister now here to speak for herself,

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which sh obviously she longed in to get to their
tent account and put a.

Speaker 13 (22:16):
I my guess what Beaches said he's been talking to
There was a email for that.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
This is where I called uh Detective Herbie because a
package was delivered on the day that she died at
one sixteen from Pedis.

Speaker 13 (22:29):
The only reason I know is because if her president
is a a fete.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Driver, she not related to Christmas. She was only related
to me because we do have different debts. I wanted
to ask Detective Irby when end it toe me to
get that package.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
It was a phone.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah, worded a new phone because he said his phone broke,
which isn't true because on February the eighth, I had
to receipt.

Speaker 13 (22:48):
Where he had the phone fixed. He just ported a
new phone.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
This is where he activated the phone on February the
ninethe the day she died at eight thirty five am.

Speaker 13 (22:57):
Because it was a Galaxy AS twenty. So he has
right now he has four phones.

Speaker 14 (23:01):
Alsunger's so this this may be till then related or
or but there was a Fede package on the steps
when I was there then right when we were there,
an that's the phone.

Speaker 13 (23:14):
I just wanted to do a Yeah he gave it too,
gotry okay. So that's just shows where he activated it.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
So him having a new phone is yes.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
More four devices right now, I'll show you that are
logged in. They had a ring camera, a a doorbell camera. Yeah,
he told my brother that he had.

Speaker 13 (23:33):
It hasn't been active in in months, but in a
month on a month.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
But here's the emails to where it updated saying that
it you know, a new device logged in.

Speaker 13 (23:45):
That was from January twenty second.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
You know they they had devices.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
Logged into the green camera.

Speaker 13 (23:50):
And again this is just nothing criminal, just something to
add to the fact that it just what he wanted
the big onest like I told you about.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
What is the firfect time today after the death of
a Styles for February thirteenth, you know, that's just it.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
Doesn't seem like a grieving husband to me. I've been
married twenty eight years and my wife died. That's the
last thing I'm gonna be a good one, you know.
Four or five days later, he can't.

Speaker 13 (24:16):
Arrest the microgrand an asshole. But here's a list of
email addresses just in case.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Now this this computer, my sisters had it right out
two years, maybe a little less. So these are emails
that he has inter piece that's a karate, that's his work.
He's still and I don't know if he has access
to that. I'm sure you guys have taken amount. But
this is one that I wouldn't have known about my sister.

Speaker 13 (24:40):
So if y'all go.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Any further about y'all d but that isn't emil address
this right. Here is the main street rentals from Tennessee.

Speaker 13 (24:48):
This is where I called the number.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
It is a storage and in full.

Speaker 13 (24:52):
Infinancy where he's paid the first he did this.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
On February fifteenth, you know, forty eight payments left just
a storage union that where yah call lane jenc.

Speaker 14 (25:04):
What's his connection to Tennessee And we'd like to know,
we'd like to know that ourselves find out there is.

Speaker 13 (25:10):
No connection that we know if it pens in Targeger
who lives in.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
Baxtri, if he has no relatively there wor but he's
moved around now and he's we've we've found the addresses
in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, all like very short periods of
time before. He's only been married to my sister for
a few years, you know, but he he has a
history of moving around in it, a history of it
seems like should probably just ran out of town and
talk war and out there and just go.

Speaker 13 (25:35):
So this is uh the budget real car.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
He has not chosen the vehicles, so they keep blowing
him up cause they need him to choose a vehicle.
This is for February the fifteenth. This is all right
around the same time. Your pick up location is this
Those in Marston Line in Hawaii.

Speaker 13 (25:52):
So this is February the fifteenth, and does they email
him again? What's he called on? And he changed his email.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
He deleted all this from his email that I mean,
it's recoverable, bif February sixteenth.

Speaker 13 (26:03):
Thing need him to choose his car before it's.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Too late for the vehicle.

Speaker 13 (26:05):
Wasn't aver he's on a vice anymore? Same thing Thurstay
in March or nine?

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Was this bet more credit card?

Speaker 7 (26:14):
I couldn't tell him.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Uh, I'm sure if there I had a list of
all the credit cards they have, which is probably fifteen
of 'em. Okay, right now, he's obsessed with this my
irrelevant might not I did print it off ancestry dot com.
I mean like obsessed where there were multiple emails. That's
si that he purchased the thirty dollars almost thirty dollars
I'm on master card any of that number.

Speaker 13 (26:38):
I don't know if he's looking for a relative somewhere,
but he just did this on February seventeenth.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Uh, he bought bitcoin, uh a significant amount of four
hundred thirty dollars eighteen since on February twentieth, he lost
his butt cause bitcoin's not work really anything right now.
But he did it through the PayPal, so he thought
it was untraceable.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
Bigin is why the money around all of a sudden, right.

Speaker 13 (27:02):
And one altern ocurrency. Here are his active phones.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
This is with the I.

Speaker 13 (27:09):
This was the only one logged in through the N
N and P S Google account. That phone right here
to the G seven and so now this.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Is Tony's and these are all the phones that are
logged in. Now this one's through AT and T, but
these three or three are different carrier.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Well it it's AT and T, but it's it's sir,
it's uh, they have a program.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
So yeah, there's four four phones, four devices, not including
there might be including crystals.

Speaker 13 (27:38):
I'm not sure what are making models, right, And you
know I'm going through cars. On February the eighth, which
is the day before ch that's the way.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
At one nineteen, the phone that he said was broken,
he went to CPR cell Phone Repair a little avenue
and he paid one hundred sixty five dollars six yeah,
to had that phone repaired.

Speaker 13 (28:01):
So he brought that phone back work. These here are harder.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
Just multiple I'll let you go through them.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Multiple credit card billings that were like passed due from
Harder Prey to Mercury, to a Platinum card and they
all have scheduled payments.

Speaker 13 (28:20):
I started to go fund me account. See she died
on the ninth, so we.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Met with the funeral director, Me Dane, his wife, Tony,
and Tony's dad on the twelfth. And I didn't know
she didn't have burial insurance. We felt she didn't, so
uh than he did the talking to it to me,
not just talk. And when I found that out, I
told Tommy.

Speaker 13 (28:42):
I was like he was gonna take out alone and
I said no because my.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Sister went on with that.

Speaker 13 (28:46):
So the funeral Mr. Neveris, said well, you know what
about to go fund it now?

Speaker 6 (28:51):
So I started going to go.

Speaker 13 (28:53):
Fund me account is linked to my checking account and
so it comes straight to me.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
And not quite sure Tony like that very much, but
people in a the O growth community he did tell
us had been given him cash or checks or you know,
personal payments to him. And uh, every since that day,
every since it got spread on social media that you know,
and I put it in there that she didn't have
airal insurance.

Speaker 13 (29:17):
He has good sin.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
All these payments were scheduled for February twelfth, February thirteenth.
He's made thirty seven dollars payments one hundred and eighty
seven dollars payments to.

Speaker 13 (29:25):
These credit cards that were maxed out.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
That and and that's where the money's going.

Speaker 13 (29:29):
But yeah, you can't arrest them for doing that because.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, but there are four thousand dollars life on
the funeral of course I can pay for that to
go fundme, but he's using it for the purposes and
one books.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Like the funeral home.

Speaker 8 (29:40):
I haven't been paid anything that we've the real world.
We've paid everything to the funeral home that the funeral
homes received. It's like he's using these combinations as a
personal slush fund.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Don't know.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
And we see the part right.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Yeah again, this is just this is just leaning towards
more of what my sister I have found out.

Speaker 12 (30:00):
And I do wanna show this.

Speaker 13 (30:01):
What he before you talked to Dame about his past.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
And if my sister found out, one, if she found
out he was having an affair, all held break loose, Okay.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
They have a five party.

Speaker 13 (30:15):
If my sister found out, you multiplied that about about
twenty because.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
And if she found that out, there was gonna be
a physical altercation that was gonna.

Speaker 13 (30:27):
Be yeah, sh she could have grabbed that gun if
she found.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
That out that he was, that would have been the
end all of everything. She could have grabbed that gun
in an attempt to shoot him. I'm not even gonna
to I'm not gonna know.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
A lot because.

Speaker 13 (30:45):
And if if she, if she found that out, she
would have tried to kill him. My birthday Secember thirteenth,
I didn't do for my sister if there were fourteenth
or sixteen twenty. She had a toothache and I was like, okay,
we wish you had your birthday. This was backed up
in tarboo flying out here. I'm sure she pined on

(31:06):
on these location is okay?

Speaker 8 (31:08):
Uh else yeah uh, it's the first words call him
wow ing, One of said she called him having.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
I went out to work out to wrap it up.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I do do.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Alright. Do you know or have you heard the name
that may be associated with this.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
I don't, but I can tell you that looking through
his timeline of like that t first time.

Speaker 13 (31:36):
On, I couldn't. I didn't have time to.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I mean, his timeline was trapped like it was a
It was a master of for dress on one moves.

Speaker 13 (31:43):
That's fifty five hundred KGUS lane. That's where he bought
this the morning up. But then i'm'a tell you right
now that when I googled that downy Black lives there, Okay,
and I don't I think could say he's doing work
for him.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
But when I looked at his timeline, I didn't have
time to front of them all off before it changed
the password.

Speaker 13 (31:59):
He spent a significant amount of time. I'm talking about
forty six hours and a storage facility here starts with
an S, but s.

Speaker 15 (32:09):
S sures and picture on my you know, we have
a stirring that's it, stiring storage.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
That's it. Every night on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays. He
would spend four to six hours there. I don't know
who works there. I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Surely that well they have I think he has a couple.
He has a location down here by the karate school.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I guess they're still having.

Speaker 12 (32:36):
Their karate thing down here at the uh he closed it, Okay,
Now I'm.

Speaker 16 (32:40):
Talking about w When it was opened, I was down
there the walmarton store, so that that storage location is
right beside, Okay, yeah, styring.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
They explain that I can't know it, but I'm just
saying styrom does happen.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
It moren't an amount of time to spend that storage.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
In everything, right, so that might that mighta done that one.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
I don't have a name associated with it, and I
wish I didn't, Like I said, the only thing that
would tell us that would be his phone, Rekers, and
I'm I'm afraid christ.

Speaker 13 (33:09):
Will got a hold of his phone Rekers because he
had a work.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
Phone and he has personal phone.

Speaker 13 (33:14):
This is just something saying that, like this was email
to him in February seven.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
This is to show that.

Speaker 13 (33:20):
Tony knew that his location was being trapped. I mean,
he might not know what that email meant, but he knew, like.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
He set it up for his location to be trapped,
cause it sh says here's your timeline for the mother
of January. And even if he goes and turns it
off now it's still tracked all the way from January
to February.

Speaker 13 (33:41):
This is something that it has nothing.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
To do with Tony.

Speaker 12 (33:43):
It's more so to do with my sister.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
You know, my sister was an insurance agent for Stay
Farm for probably as long as I've been alive.

Speaker 13 (33:50):
But she was just a local agent wherever she lived.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
She was a local because she hated taking tests and
she hated putting forth the anthrop.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
She would go no further. But when I was gonna
through her Google.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Drive, she took a picture of a test that she
didn't even tell me about. But it was from January
to thirtieth, and she took a state Certy five exam
that she passed within ninety six percent. And on January thirtieth,
at ten twenty three, January thirtieth, so ten eleven days
before she passed away.

Speaker 13 (34:21):
January twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Uh, she took a screenshot in his picture, and she
only took screenshots if they meant something to her.

Speaker 13 (34:26):
And she says, it's a beautiful day to stop dwelling.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
Things you can't control.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
So you know he doesn't like me tall because I
get emotional because I know her very anybody.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
So when I tell you he's save your piece, I mean,
if you're getting that she had a new grand baby,
comments she had just passed this exam.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
Things were really looking up for crystals. It doesn't point
towards things were really looking at the.

Speaker 17 (34:50):
Fight on the one hand, and on the other hand,
the information that's being presented to us, the timeline.

Speaker 13 (34:55):
The way he's and not being honest. They they don't
add U to present a a uniform picture.

Speaker 7 (35:02):
And he's lying to y'all.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
We're not again, we're not disparaging y'all's work, but y'all
having to listen to him to get details about things.
It's how investigations work. And if he's a mind to y'all,
y'all need to be aware of it.

Speaker 13 (35:12):
And the community he has them full because I I mean,
he could put on in a up front better than
anybody ever seen.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
And I you know, I know, Lie, I haven't liked
him since she married him, even remember my fall from
number four, cause that was the fourth fourth of those
time I.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
Only hung out with him the family gatherings. We weren't
buddy buddy or anything. It always just kind of struck
me as odd, you know, But and that's just me.

Speaker 13 (35:37):
I'm a f He hasn't he hasn't full joll because
you're good at what you do.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
But the people in this community, because her her funeral,
you could standing remily, I mean, it was all the
way they had to.

Speaker 13 (35:48):
Stand in the lot.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Again, it was people from this community that were there
and uh, the the pretature mischiefs of Mike Mott.

Speaker 7 (35:56):
Mike Mi was a masterful Yea, he was amazing.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
It was forting me out to talk to me before
he spoke.

Speaker 13 (36:01):
And I really really liked him, like, I really liked
him a lot.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
But they saw a part of Crystal that wasn't I mean,
that wasn't Crystal. I he she was the face of
Tony because that's what Tony made her be, and that's
who she was.

Speaker 13 (36:15):
Everybody she was, she was smiling. But he had ulterior motives.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
That's a why he married.

Speaker 13 (36:19):
Her, and it was to get it was to make
himself a little better, and it.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Was to get to other. Well.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
He lied from the get go. He said he had
all these renal properties. He was you know, he had
money and all this. And then they you know, they
date for a while, and I guess he had to
kept that charade going. When they get married, that's when
she finds out that, yeah, he's not this big landlord.
He's not this big, you know, big shot that he
put on to be. And that's kind of when I
was like, I'm I don't wanna hang out with the guy.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Yeah, you know, he's lying. You know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
I mean, we just he he has no issue of
lying at all. And like I said, I mean he
said some things to me that, you know, just some
like yeah you're lying, you know, just like like you said,
maybe you had inferred, you know, the time of death
kind of thing. But I'm like, so that's the corn
Yeah they got corners.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they're dead, you know.
I'm like, so they got to ployed that. I think
I remember that.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
I was like, so they got a preliminary in but
here's what they say, and it's ruled of suicide and
time of death is mound. You know, it's probably gonna
be around three o'clock somewhere in there. And I was
just like, so I called to confirming to text verbs
they meet me knowing.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Tony because okay, so you you know some things about Tony.
I don't know about you me knowing Tony. That's exactly what.

Speaker 13 (37:34):
He because you know, because I know of him and
his demeanor, that.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Would be exactly what he would say. Well, yeah, preliminary
whatever than what he is exactly? Is it factual? Well,
you and I both those it's not factual because they're
not going to.

Speaker 7 (37:56):
Release that information to him.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's something that he is couldn't talcted in his mind. So, yeah,
I know what you're saying there.

Speaker 7 (38:07):
I also know that his e's wife has a restraining
order on him the moming for Crystal uh and that's
what she cited Shannon, and.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
That Shanna s h A N N A Jones.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Do y'all know where she's locod She still has in
she's in Bastin and I can text your address.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
I didn't reach out. That was the end of their divorce.
The district attorney didn't take it any further.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
There seems to be a pattern as far as his
ex's wife has a restraining order on it. And I
think a lot of it had to do with, yes,
that's my wife. She's running a bit late. I'm sorry,
but yeah, I said there's strain order and they didn't
know what felt led to hospital David that they suspected,
you know, and my wife, I said, she's found the
most practitioner.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
She she's here right now. She kind of wanted to
speak to to some of those things and speak to.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Good morning, come on in babe, most to tell them
about your She also wanted to speak to see about
and the fact that you know, you treated people with depression,
you prescribe medications. We don't feel like that this is
her getting off that medication would trigger, you know, a
suicide episode. And Julia's treated said she's a nurse parctition.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
She treats people that all the time.

Speaker 13 (39:22):
So if you want to see what have y' all
talked about already?

Speaker 7 (39:24):
So everything we're gonna wrapping up up.

Speaker 13 (39:26):
Okay, okay, Hersonel's been on medicine for years. It's no different.

Speaker 17 (39:32):
She's tried that mess in the past. I've refilled her
medicines before. I just don't feel like that's enough to
cause this. I know that when her son left, she
was upset, of course, but she's very proud, so it's
not like, you know, that was the end of the
world for her. She's just happy for him. Her other
son as well, was having a baby. So it's just

(39:54):
I just don't see, you know. And I know, as
a person.

Speaker 13 (39:58):
Grieving, we think they, you know, not little headed.

Speaker 17 (40:02):
And I thought all these things were just to me
grieving and blaming and going through the process until I
saw her at the funeral home. And I know she's
right handed, and I knew immediately, and you can wait
on the report anymore.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
Yeah, we've already been under that.

Speaker 13 (40:17):
I got a note that I had doubt in myself,
and I'm just thinking crazy stuff.

Speaker 17 (40:22):
And then you can just you know, going back through
my mind of the way he talked to her and
treating her in my home.

Speaker 13 (40:26):
Things she had said to me, I've been having trouble about.

Speaker 17 (40:31):
Him, upset about her son in New York having a
baby and him having to pay for things.

Speaker 13 (40:36):
And there were some financial problems, always always financial. She
went into the marriage thinking he was well to do,
had money, he had for all these properties. Turns out,
I don't think that's true. I don't think that everyone's true.

Speaker 7 (40:49):
And that's one time he lied to us from the giftives.
So we don't have any reasons.

Speaker 13 (40:53):
Seeing her body. I know, I know that she's a female.
I know statistic six. I know there's no way she
would have left e'd even in the instant that you
make a decision to do that to yourself, you don't
think about it. I'm gonna use my awkward hand. It's
not I that that is what I knew. So let

(41:13):
me let me that it's not right.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Let me try to put hm, let me try to
put that at rest.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And and and you gotta understand, you have to understand
that that because of the the nature of the investigation,
and and like I told you the investigation and I
told them bariedly with me, I've got a side of nerves.
That's that's what kind of why I'm that's okay, my momkay, gangster,
I'm alright, gangster, leaning back here. I'm trying to get
some relief on my back. The investigation is never closed. Therefore, hot,

(41:47):
I'm not gonna tell you everything that I yes, that
I know and.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
And please understand that.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Of course, So when you you told me earlier that
you thought the exit when was on right inside of
her head, it was with her body position in the bed.
That's impossible because we've recovered the projectile opposite of what

(42:21):
you are what you think, okay, an, And to to
if if it would have happened the way that you
may think that it happened, virtually impossible.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
For for see, I didn't know where where the poor
ject's always recovered. I didn't know any other sorts, uh.

Speaker 18 (42:43):
I had that Okay, we we recovered that, Okay, So
I can I can say without certainty that that the
extra one was not.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
On the right side of her head.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
You saw the pictures, so you believe it was on
the right hand side of read changed.

Speaker 17 (43:05):
And the fuel director wanted me to take pictures, felt
and then talked. I said maybe, I was, like, you know,
IM not an idiot. I'm an educated person, been in
college for years.

Speaker 13 (43:17):
I'm not crazy.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
I see it, and I.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 13 (43:22):
God save me. I hope I'm wrong, but I just.

Speaker 17 (43:25):
Don't see the other side. And I'm not really honestly
looking at the exit side. I'm looking at the entry point.
There's no way there's that big of a gap in
the sizes to make that legitimate to me. I can
show you if you like to see you.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Because I'm not gonna try this case across this disk.

Speaker 13 (43:44):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 13 (43:46):
I just don't chang know that I feel like I'm
not crazy, and I understand, and I.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Respect your opinion, but please respect mine. I did by
knowing knowing that I know a little bit more that
I'm relating to you.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Guys, and because i'm trying to I'm trying to put
you I'm not trying to put.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
This case at rest, because again I'm gonna reiterate, the
case is never closed. I'm trying to put your your
theories on these certain things to rest.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Yeah, by letting you know that you know some things
I know that's not quite how it happened. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 17 (44:31):
And and the fact that any other case I've looked
up or around this area that Stay was involved, and
you put and someone puts this on the shoulders of
someone who apparently knows Tony for twenty years. I'm sick
of him telling us that. I'm tired of him telling
me how long he's done this. Man, It's really not
fair to the investigator. I feel like it's not fair
to him.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Who is he telling about the investigator.

Speaker 13 (44:52):
That he's been.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Like, you keep saying, let me put that to Yeah,
that's a lie. Yeah, to just keep saying.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Talk that's and again, lying is not a crime. But
I can tell you he's not known Alan Irby for
twenty years.

Speaker 12 (45:19):
I've only known him for.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I've been in office July three years. He went to
work for me.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Oh gosh, y'all need no better than I do. I've
got so much on my plane here, my family, is
from here right out. I went in the office, and
he worked for five or six months on the road
before I put him into the academy, and he quit
the second day. And so that's the extent of my

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relationship with him is is he could very well say, man,
I'm on the sheriff.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
For twenty years. That's not true. I've only known you
for maybe a year.

Speaker 13 (46:03):
What is it a legitimate thing?

Speaker 17 (46:05):
Is he just lying to us at the evening after
he told us she was gone, that he said that
it's no foul play.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
I think that is just I think that he's a
chronic lotter. And and uh, okay, what to you about? Yeah,
I have to question that. You know, I see things
in the.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Documents that you provided me that that piqued my interest.
The Tennessee thing that picks my interest. That's what we're
going to hear.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
So I have the number.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
It picks my interest.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's it's not my job to speculate to make to
make Tony Jones a bad guy.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
That's not that's not my general either.

Speaker 13 (46:54):
And I double that. I didn't want to feel that.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Or believe that, But it's my job to investigate. Until
we can't investigate anymore. Right, that's what my job is
and that's that's what I'm omitted to doing.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
And that's you know, when things are brought to light.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Like a Tennessee thing here, Okay, maybe maybe that's not
really relevant, but if it brings a question, well, I'm
gonna look at and.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
The time, at the timeline, that's what I find.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yes, in the timeline I'm obligated with.

Speaker 13 (47:31):
Motive is important. I understand.

Speaker 17 (47:32):
I'm not saying that I'm not God forgive me. I
pray that I'm completely long and just crazed.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
But but you have questions.

Speaker 17 (47:43):
But there's as an objective person, I am observing many
things that are questionable.

Speaker 13 (47:49):
And when there's doubt, there's a reason.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
And I'm and I'm going to try every question that
you have.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I'm going to try to get you a logical explanation
for to the best of my ability.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
It may not be what you want to hear. That
like the casing, I hope that I put that case
in thing to rest.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
It's very logical that that's man I'm telling you, and
the past I'm want to share this.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
I'm gonna share this very tidbit of the investigation with you.
We're doing. We're doing things with form right now that
you don't have any any knowledge of it.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
We're and and I if it leaves this room and
somebody else, I'm gonna I'm.

Speaker 13 (48:35):
Gonna do.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Anybody. Okay, I'm not telling anybody anything.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
So we're having that farmum tested, uh and doing some
comparisons to make sure that everything that we think happened
happened exactly the way that we exactly.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
If if if I thought for a military that me
or or my chief detective wasn't capable of doing everything
that we need to do, I turned this case over
to whoever, whether it's or you know, I know, I

(49:17):
know that. I'm just saying, if I thought for a
second that we weren't capable of looking at this thing
at every angle and getting the the answer to your questions,
I'd be the first one to step.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Up and say, man, I can't do this.

Speaker 13 (49:32):
So how long have you known mister Irby? Did you
saying you don't know mister Irby that long? Or you
don't know Tony.

Speaker 17 (49:40):
You haven't know mister Irby for my whole life. He
should know that Tony's running around talking about it. Their
best buddies for twenty years. I've got it reported saying it. No,
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
I've not heard that. No, I've not heard him tell
anybody that. And so that's why is there.

Speaker 13 (49:55):
It's just like weird that he would like I mean,
I don't understand he's willing to lie about you know.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
So so let me throw let me throw this this
out there, and this is totally unrelated. I'm using this
totally as an example. And you're gonna think that I'm
weird or crazy. Let me let me tell you a
rumor that I've been fighting for eight months a year now.

(50:27):
The rumors out there me and my wife have been
separated for for over a year. I just woke up
next to her this morning. And I'm telling people I
don't know who is who is brief who keeps that going,
But whoever he is is a is a liar and

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is a instigator of something.

Speaker 13 (50:50):
But the man who is married to her is lying.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
That's what That's that's my message. That's what I'm trying
to say. There are people out there that are not
like you and I, that live a life of.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Drama free life, and that we consider ourselves good people
and we want to do good things.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
In our community and for the world. He's not one
of them. Does that make him a criminal, you know,
a bad person?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Him being a bad person is not a crime until
we can prove or we take the evidence that's been
presented to us and we prove.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Him to be a criminal. He can tell people all
he wants to that he's gone out of nervous for
over twenty years. He hadn't committed a crime. Is that relevant?

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Was?

Speaker 11 (51:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Did he have?

Speaker 17 (51:51):
I don't know if he's got weird history. I mean,
you know, I'm just saying we've been married forevere.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
We just don't have that.

Speaker 17 (51:57):
My grandparents are married, thaking. I don't deal with that
kind of this husband, that husband. So all of it's
offered to me, like from my standpoints, just because I'm just.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
I'm gonna give you her phone number, that subject.

Speaker 13 (52:08):
But the fact that he told me in my home
that the er suspected him, so that was weird.

Speaker 17 (52:16):
I had barely known him sacond or third time, I'd
say him because there have been some questions someone had
brought this to like that there were some things.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Okay, I'm gonna read you her message she sent me,
But she said, I'll give you my phone number and
they'll have to verify that it's the actual cops. But
I cannot give you my address and a Facebook message,
and it's only because I don't trust Tony or his family.
So she gave me her phone number. You're y'all are
gonna have to call verify it is the police.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
Then she'll give you the address.

Speaker 7 (52:45):
Okay, all right, So.

Speaker 13 (52:49):
In the verbal abuse, I mean, I'm just looking at
the pattern of view.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
So she'll once y'all call and you verify she'll give
you the address.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Was Crystal said.

Speaker 17 (52:57):
I believe she found out he was cheating on her
and running around and they were gonna split up.

Speaker 13 (53:02):
One hundred percent, without a doubt. Wilieve that to be.

Speaker 17 (53:05):
True, just because I know Crystal. I have known her
since I was a teenager at Bastil High and I
know how she puts on for people. Crystals didn't tell
the truth either. Crystal had her own secrets. My initial
thought was someone else's in malt she had a boyfriend something.
That was my initial from the from the beginning, I
worried about that, but I didn't foresee.

Speaker 13 (53:27):
That it was he was the one of the problem.
Not her, and I believe that she had been.

Speaker 17 (53:33):
Fishing and found some things, and I believe her son left.
There wasn't another eye on the household and the two
of them together, and I'm worried about abuse, and I
just I would like to, you know, I would like
to know the report.

Speaker 13 (53:43):
The autopsy report is very important to me.

Speaker 17 (53:45):
If there are bruises that can't be seen by everyone
in the areas, which there were some things I saw.

Speaker 11 (53:51):
Now, I don't know.

Speaker 17 (53:52):
I'm not never been in an autopsy, and throughout my career,
I've never I don't know those parts of it.

Speaker 13 (53:57):
There are bruises in her thighs. They don't look like
something you would do for an autopsy, like it's from
that and move into the body. It's possible.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
I don't know those things.

Speaker 13 (54:06):
I'm not I'm not that's not my field. I'm not
in your field. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
This is just me looking at that.

Speaker 17 (54:12):
That isn't the rights there verbally in my home, I
witnessed it.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Can I reiterate enough, guys, everything that you're telling me.

Speaker 13 (54:33):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
That that has happened.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (54:42):
Unfortunately that I don't want to say.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Verbal abuse is not part of the investigation.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
But it's I can't make Tony Jones be a criminal
because he's so you've got to no one realize that.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Okay, that's what you guys. The arise and and and
and know that has happened, is it? Is it part
of this case?

Speaker 7 (55:10):
That's why you know, if there is.

Speaker 17 (55:15):
A suspect, they go first, they rule out the spouse,
and that's I know that he's trick and I don't
say that, and I don't think that you feel like
and then you may you know the.

Speaker 13 (55:26):
Things you know the facts that I don't know.

Speaker 17 (55:28):
I only know the facts that I know because you're
an investigation and you have to do the things you're
supposed to do. But us as a family, you know,
we're grieving and we're hurt. But there's too many things
that are truths, not speculation, not hearsay, and coming from
his mouth as well. So it's just things that I
know that I am observing, and I wanted I have

(55:52):
talked to Jana in the beginning, so Jenna, he's it's just,
you know, it's just but he's.

Speaker 13 (55:57):
Got the paperwork to show it's too much.

Speaker 17 (56:03):
Not speculate. Something's weird now I don't know. I hope
it's not the worst thing I think. And you know,
as I see Tony in person, you know, I feel
like he's not ever been adnormal to me myself. But
I do observe things, did watch him with funeral. I

(56:24):
just haven't seen him grieving. I mean, and that everyone's different.
People grieve in different ways. People put on a face
for other people. He may be on something that that
helps him calm himself, take in something.

Speaker 13 (56:37):
I don't know. I just I just don't think that
I'm trying to blame him. I don't because I don't
want to, because I want her to lay at rest.
I want to get to peace with it. I want
these people to be at peace with this.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
But if I, if I.

Speaker 13 (56:54):
Didn't doubt so much, if I didn't see so many
things and know so many things, I'd be like, yeah,
makes sense.

Speaker 12 (57:01):
She was on some of Bill five.

Speaker 13 (57:02):
She was real pressed. People were sitting.

Speaker 17 (57:04):
Around town saying how bad she looked, how sad she was. Well,
I will be sad too. My husband was running around
and on match dot Com and cheating on me. And
that's true, that's true.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Sir, enough. I don't doubt a word that you just said.
But what I'm trying to say is.

Speaker 13 (57:24):
You know is a cheater a killer?

Speaker 11 (57:26):
I understand, which mean I.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Having said that though I cannot reiterate enough. Please, no
one understand everything that you just told me and.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Presented to me.

Speaker 13 (57:37):
You'll investigate it without We'll be on top of Like I.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Thank you, sir, You're very welcome. Gosh, y'all don't know
how much that I'm a I'm a different time sheriff.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Now you're a lot like MIKEE. Don't take that in
a bad way.

Speaker 7 (58:03):
I said that.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I do things a little differently. I talk a little differently.
I'm no politician. I only want to.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Do the right thing. And when I see a family
come in that I know is obviously grieving, just no
one understand. I may not grieve like you, but.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I see I see pain in your eyes. And if
I can leave that pain just a little bit by.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Going over and looking into what you've presented to me,
that's what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 7 (58:47):
Yes, we thank you, you know, we thank you.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
At the end of the day, it may not be
what you want to see, and that present it to
you in a fashion that man, listen, I have beat
this thing to death and I can't come up with anything,
or I may beat it to a point.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
I say, you know what, Yeah, it may be something
I just want to answer, even if it's to run off.

Speaker 17 (59:14):
Until you know, I just don't want him to run off.
I just don't want him to fly on to Hawaii
with whatever he's got. I want to know for sure
that he does not have an insurance policy, because.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
There's no policy.

Speaker 13 (59:27):
I know there's got to be something somewhere uncovered, So
push up.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Lord, let me very quickly. There is no policy. There's
there's no policies associated with either one of them. We'll
share that with you what my guys have already dug
into that there.

Speaker 7 (59:44):
Is no policy.

Speaker 13 (59:45):
I just feel like he should be told you can't
run off, like you need to stay around.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
I need clear that I can't tell him he can't
run off. You got on to that realization.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I can't tell him he can't run off if he
wants to fly to Kalamazoo and can set up shall and.

Speaker 13 (01:00:00):
He someone for leaving after all this, I can't tell him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
So you need to know that I can't tell him
that he can't do that. Even if I were to
charge him and he were to bond out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
He wanted to go free to go. I can't. I
can't stop him from going.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
Oh the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I know the financial struggles, but I see you talking
about he's making payments and he's in he's this trip.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Where do you think this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
Money is from the funeral donations he's getting.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
Is using the funeral donations as a slush line. He
also confided to me that he had a credit Life insure.
It's policy on their.

Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
Vel hicles can't be paid off.

Speaker 8 (01:00:43):
Now I do know this because I've taken these loans
out before. When you do the credit life sometimes they'll
upsell you and they'll give you an option to have
a beneficiary. You know, it'll pay off your loan plus
it'll pay a beneficiary. So there's credit life on the vehicle.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
And the loans and the loans maybe credit cards.

Speaker 8 (01:00:59):
And I'm thinking that if money is going to be
coming in from somewhere, if he's gotten money or is
expecting money, these credit life insurance policies, you don't have
to sign a single medical form, you don't have to
send a single medical record to these credit life policies.
They're going to sign you up, especially sessional.

Speaker 17 (01:01:14):
Mind at ease, like I don't wanted to run off
because I want to know for sure, and I hope
to God I can apologize later, That's what I pray for.

Speaker 13 (01:01:23):
But I need to know that he's not working for
this police department right now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
He's not.

Speaker 13 (01:01:27):
He doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Credit that he's working.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
He's up, says he's a patrol on call, patrol guy.
He's he's already, he's already, he's a pathological life.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
He knows that he knows.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
But can I be?

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Can I be perfect?

Speaker 17 (01:01:44):
That is best in the home as I went in
to get a jewelry his bulletproofess.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Just can I be perfectly honest to you? Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:01:53):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And again you you have to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I'm no politician and I won't do things politically correct
and I let my mouth tear my ass out the
frame on a daily basis. So please please don't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Number one. I told you on the phone yesterday, I
will not ever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Cover up a thing for anybody that includes my wife
and my children. If you've done wrong, you've done wrong,
don't come crying to me about it. I've done wrong
in my in my life. I admit that to you,
I've done wrong. The Good Lord has forgiven me. I
hope for everything I've done. Don't everything for a minute

(01:02:46):
that I won't cover up anything for anybody.

Speaker 17 (01:02:48):
Tony Jones does not work for me, okay, good, Because
he has on his Facebook he does.

Speaker 12 (01:02:53):
I'm just saying, help what he has on his Facebook.

Speaker 13 (01:02:57):
It's like and please feel crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Please just listen to you, because I'm really directing this
to you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
I think that though guys here have a pretty good
understanding of who I am and what I stand for.

Speaker 12 (01:03:11):
I can't help what he has on his Facebook page.
He could put on there Donald Trump's pimp.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I can't help that he could put on his He
could he could go down to the donut shop in
the morning and tell everybody in there I work directed
for Scott Matthews and I have a million dollars in
the bank. I can't help what he goes out in
the public and says. That's not that's not for me
to control.

Speaker 13 (01:03:36):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
I can't help that he may have had ten affairs.

Speaker 13 (01:03:42):
It is illegal to pose as a police officer. It's illegal.
I mean I know that, I know, I know what
you're saying, but I just know, it's like, who does that?

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Just in your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I'm just talking what I have already conceded. You got
I know he's a liar.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
I just want you to know that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I want you have to know that.

Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
And at this point in this conversation, I don't think
you've come.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
To that realization. He is a liar.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Is him being a liar against the law, No, it's not.
You've got to accept he's a liar. He's not the
person that he portraysed himself to be out in the
public or to anybody.

Speaker 12 (01:04:24):
Is that a crime?

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
It is not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
There are people that come in here on a daily
basis and attack me by spreading things about me and
my wife in the community.

Speaker 12 (01:04:37):
What I love to arrest him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
You did right, the right. It's not a crime.

Speaker 17 (01:04:41):
I don't want you to feel like anything I'm saying
is against the police department.

Speaker 13 (01:04:45):
My great grandfather was a sheriff here.

Speaker 17 (01:04:48):
I don't say I'm not saying anything about the police
or the investigator.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:04:52):
I feel like you're doing your job. I just feel like,
why is he just it?

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Just it.

Speaker 17 (01:04:56):
That's where we get our suspicions is from him. He
just portrays all these things to us, and he's been
making us think all along. He's buddy buddy in the
share in the Sheriff's department and patrol on the streets.
I mean, it's just like that makes us It's like
he wants us to.

Speaker 13 (01:05:10):
Be more suspicious or something. I mean, that's what it
sounds like.

Speaker 17 (01:05:13):
But I feel like it's not legal to betray yourself
as a police officer, especially to pull someone over.

Speaker 13 (01:05:18):
And who knows, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:05:21):
I don't know what he's doing. So having said that statement,
and I asked you, who is he pulled over?

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:05:27):
I don't know, but he could. I've not had a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Single complaint of him pulling over anybody. I've not had
a single complaint of him.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Has he done it?

Speaker 19 (01:05:41):
I have no idea, but when I when when you
when you bring these issues to light, I'm telling you,
Tony Jones doesn't work from.

Speaker 13 (01:05:53):
Me, he will makes no matter for you to say
that to me like that just makes me feel a
little better.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
And as a professional in your line work, just like
I'm I guess I'm a professional.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
In my line of work.

Speaker 12 (01:06:07):
Oh yeah, You've got to No one understand.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
People.

Speaker 12 (01:06:13):
People aren't sometimes what they portrayed themselves to be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
So you've got to let that go until I can either.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Dispelled what you've brought me or I can factualize what
you've brought me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Yes, sir, you got to let that go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
And until you let that go, you yourself will never
find peace with what's what's going on in this case. Again, guys,
I know I'm probably beating the dead horse here, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
But.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
You got to let some of this.

Speaker 13 (01:06:48):
Do I use my license.

Speaker 17 (01:06:50):
If I said it was a doctor, I lose, they
would strip my license. I know that a person saying
there a nurse would get their license tripped. I know
that you cannot run around saying your police officer.

Speaker 13 (01:06:58):
You just can't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
It's just run around making traffic stops and portraying yourself
as a police officer. If I want to go down
to the donut shop and sit down with the table
for the men and say I'm a officer, he has
not committed a crime.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Let that go.

Speaker 12 (01:07:14):
Let let that that that's in the big scheme of
what we got going on here. That's fact.

Speaker 13 (01:07:19):
I feel like you're upset with.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Me of what.

Speaker 12 (01:07:26):
And you portrayed me as someone that's on this.

Speaker 13 (01:07:29):
To have train you as anything at all. I have
never said that at all and said you did anything.

Speaker 12 (01:07:34):
Wrong at all.

Speaker 13 (01:07:35):
I do not believe that.

Speaker 17 (01:07:37):
I believe he has made us suspect him just by
his mouth, like we just don't know what is going on.

Speaker 13 (01:07:43):
We're not from here. We're not from here right now.
I am, My family is from here. I just dropped
all flowers to my grandparents.

Speaker 12 (01:07:50):
And Goodwill and and I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I'm trying.

Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
I don't believe you're doing anything wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:07:56):
I don't want you to feel that I am saying
this towards you. We have just been so upset by
the way he has portrayed things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Again, I'm a politician, and I just told you I
let my mouth overload my tail too much.

Speaker 17 (01:08:12):
I don't want you to feel like I don't want
to offend you at all or the police department at all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
And maybe I've taken it a little bit wrong here now.
I'm trying to let you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
The things that some of the things that you're talking
about does not constitute a crime, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
You can't let that have a bearing.

Speaker 11 (01:08:34):
On my end.

Speaker 12 (01:08:35):
You can't let those things have a bearing on trying
to find the truth. That's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 17 (01:08:42):
Well, he has just kind of made us to believe
that he's just some big wig over here police guy.

Speaker 13 (01:08:47):
He's a chronic liar, like running around chronic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
You know, that's why we've been It's like you got
to know and understand that that's what chronic liars do.
They portray themselves as something that they are not.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
And he has.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
That.

Speaker 12 (01:09:06):
He's got that burro under your saddle, and you've got
to let that go.

Speaker 13 (01:09:10):
Now.

Speaker 20 (01:09:11):
I'm telling you, please let it go. And until you
let that go, you can't find peace in this case.
That that's the message. And I'm trying and I'm sorry
that I I'm sorry.

Speaker 13 (01:09:24):
That you and I have.

Speaker 12 (01:09:27):
Okay, Well, I just I don't want it to be
that one.

Speaker 13 (01:09:30):
I just wanted you to know.

Speaker 17 (01:09:31):
I don't like consterns are not brought towards you or
anyone else. My concerns are brought towards his character, him
telling us and making us think these wild things of
like I'm a police officer, I know on him for
twenty years.

Speaker 13 (01:09:44):
I'm like, why does he investigating the case. They should
have had the state come in. That was my first thought.
And that's just me being like you like a person
that I I'm not kinding up the things you do.
And it makes sense to me now that he's a
lighter and that he does diven work for the police.

Speaker 17 (01:10:00):
That's why we suspected like weird stuff because he just
portrays himself like he's he's up here with.

Speaker 13 (01:10:06):
You guys chilling.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
You know, his job ain't happen.

Speaker 13 (01:10:10):
I don't even know if he has a job. I'm
getting to believe he doesn't work. But I just I
just want you to understand it. It's not me absolutely
saying you've done something wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
It is what is put in my face.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Let me this is, this is this has my cell
number on it. Please feel free.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Oh oh my god, I.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Please have safe true Okay, I'm out in just a second.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
Don't believe me.

Speaker 11 (01:10:41):
I won't.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
Okay, that's not strem and.

Speaker 13 (01:10:50):
Years and she she helped me with heed and that's wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
I understand.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
Oh, I can't thank you enough giving us a lot
of oosure and what that's sac or I'll I ask
you or doing even if I think it's.

Speaker 13 (01:11:06):
An answer, I'll I don't want just give it to you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:09):
I'm try anything you know I I don't care.

Speaker 13 (01:11:11):
If it's you tell me that you have to do it?

Speaker 7 (01:11:13):
Would you an just any answers want.

Speaker 11 (01:11:17):
That I want you to.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
Han't.

Speaker 12 (01:11:20):
I can't think your not listen, cald I pray with you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
What would I just ask.

Speaker 12 (01:11:32):
That your ret reforms around this family? What would I
ask that you give me coinage.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
To take this in a direction that to give will
give this family some closure?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Lord?

Speaker 10 (01:11:45):
All thee want the truth. We want nothing but the truth.
And Lord, I ask for your guidance in doing that.

Speaker 11 (01:11:52):
Or be with this family.

Speaker 10 (01:11:53):
Wrap your arms around 'em, give 'em travel and grace
on their way home, give 'em the the ray of
hope in the wanted to know that you are the
ambastaor the one that uh, the ultimate investigator, or to
ask these things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
You're so precious. I do, I do everything, And I'm
sorry that I get emotional.

Speaker 12 (01:12:22):
Like I said, I'm I'm a different sheriff. You are
a lor Mike.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
I'm just gonna say, uh, can I go blade back
to when I was probably born?

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I and I and I and I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
I tell people, if you're looking for a politician, you're
you're looking the wrong guy here.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
And you gave my brother a lot of answers, and
I appreciate that because he's about facts and the shell
casing was one of 'em and it made sense to 'em. Kay.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
And like I said, with that, if there's nothing to it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Do not hesitate to call me with any question that
you may have. Do not havestate, don't call anybody. You
call me directly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
If my guys, if the Alan, when I go over
this with him and we uncover anything that needs to
be brought to your attention, I'll call you immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Kay.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
And if you don't get up, if for some reason
your call doesn't come through, shoot me a text.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Let me call you, cause I don't know what's going on.
I called that Tennessee number and it wouldn't let me
go through. It wouldn't let the call go through. How
to use dance bot.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
I'm not sure what's going on?

Speaker 13 (01:13:22):
Brother, can't thank your number.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
She's alright, she's your stuff. I understand, I understand, and uh,
thanks you bad?

Speaker 12 (01:13:32):
Yes, okay, thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
All right, we're jo I have no idea Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:13:39):
Yeah, okay, past five yeah, passed by a cat picture
and a cat alright, I'll.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
Be in touch.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
So Okay, now that you've heard the meeting, what are
your thoughts? Jenna and myself would love for you to

(01:14:12):
connect with us, share your thoughts, and spread the word
about Crystal's case. Check out the show notes for all
the links to connect with us. Stay tuned for the
next part of this series. We are far from done.
Until next time, friends, stay safe and take care.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Thank you for listening to this episode. As we close out,
let us not forget. Awareness is our greatest defense in
a world that can be dark and grim. Vigilance is
our beacon of hope when it comes to the cases
we have explored together that have remained unsolved. If you
happen to hold a piece of the puzzle, there to
step forward. As author Lois McMaster bouge Hold once said,

(01:14:59):
the dead cannot cry out for justice. It is a
duty of the living to do so for them. Until
we reconvene, my friends, stay vigilant and stay informed.

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