219: How to Fix Constipation Naturally - with Liz Roman - ReversABLE

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Josh Dech (00:00.792)Testing, testing. You're a wizard? You're hired. All right, we're great.

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Liz Roman (00:03.997)Liz Roman (00:08.925) Thank God for art. I don't.
Josh Dech (00:12.972)Also good to see you again, Liz. You at Ben's party?
Liz Roman (00:18.503)Yeah, I was.
Josh Dech (00:19.852)I thought I saw the back of your head. was like, I think that's Liz. And I never went over to go say hi, got caught up in chatting anyway. I know.
Liz Roman (00:26.333)yes, I was there and Becca, my business partner was there and we spent a lot of time talking to Dr. Jockers, Dr. PJ and then we'd like Dr. Maritza. I don't know if you know her.
Josh Dech (00:40.302)Yeah, I actually met Maritza there for the first time. know what weiss followed her for a long time, actually, is I know Cynthia and they were chatting with Dr. Padre and I was like, oh, hey guys, we know what we all know each other. And I was trying to mingle, but there was 170 people. I'm like, I know these faces, but can't place names. I tried to meet as many as I could. Wanted to meet Dr. Jockers, didn't. Anthony Pauley, didn't. It was a whole thing.
Liz Roman (01:02.597)Yeah, yeah. So I met the guy that owns Blue Scorpion Peptide.
Josh Dech (01:07.106)Hmm. I've never heard of them.
Liz Roman (01:09.115)We are about this, but so I had my gosh, Dane Johnson. He owns like Crohn's colitis, another shield. Yeah. Yeah. So we were chatting on a podcast and then I was like, hey, like chronic pain. think this girl has IBD. She's 14. So he tells me about this scorpion peptide. And I was like, OK, I'm not sure the mom's going to be like, go for it. But, you know, let me look into it.
Josh Dech (01:17.24)Crohn's Collitis lifestyle, yeah.
Liz Roman (01:36.157)So then randomly I'm like waiting to get a picture with Ben and I'm like talking to this guy with this blue jacket on. was like, I like your scorpion. He's like, yeah, I blue scorpion peptides. I was like, no shit. So anyways, it's working well for her. You know, she's waiting to get into the GI to see if she does have IBD or whatever, but yeah, so small world thing. I wish we would have met there. That would have been cool.
Josh Dech (01:49.39)Great.
Josh Dech (01:57.366)I know, too small of a world, too many things to do and too many people to see, I know, that's all right. I am, yeah, we flew in from Calgary, Alberta.
Liz Roman (02:01.627)Yeah. But where do you live? Aren't you in Canada?
Liz Roman (02:07.771)Okay, just for that or did you do other stuff too?
Josh Dech (02:10.008)Yes, no, just for that. Yeah, we went to the beach, but we were there just for that. I, I met Ben through podcasting and we've just been buddies for the last year shooting this shit and chatting. I was like, there's no way I'm missing this. He sent us an invite and we're like, first of all, thank you. You know, we're not these big mega influencers or anything. And so was kind of neat circle to be in. but it's been wild. mean, the pot, these podcasts open up so many opportunities, you know? Yeah. We're thrilled about it.
Liz Roman (02:34.045)Yeah, no, for sure. I was wanting to speak with Dr. Pampa's team and learn a little bit more. was telling Ben and Dane, I was like, you know, I've been part of these different groups and I feel like we need, I need something different. And so he was like, yeah, I like the Pampa group the best, this and that. And I was like, oh, okay, curious. But we haven't connected since then. His wife gave us somebody's phone number, we just never heard from her. So was like, you know, right now, maybe we just need to.
We're growing. We got our growth pains right now. We need to head down, keep doing that. then, but it's like how do.
Josh Dech (03:04.664)Sure. If you have trouble getting in touch, let me know. Like I've had them on the show twice. Pretty easy to get a hold of, at least through this channel. So yeah, feel free to ask and I'll get you what I have.
Liz Roman (03:16.125)Okay, are you part of the mastermind with them too?
Josh Dech (03:19.155)No, I know Ben has been for a while and that's how he actually got connected with pompa but I don't know what that what that looks like long term or what the programming is like for that.

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Liz Roman (03:28.807)Okay, yeah, was just gonna, are you in any like community or masterminds that you like?
Josh Dech (03:34.382)Now we're just flying solo trying to figure shit out as we go. Like it's so overwhelming and expensive, so expensive. So we're changing practitioners right now. It's going to save us about a hundred, 150 grand a year, which will be able to like reinvest in some stuff, which will be really nice. He's, he costs me about 250 a year right now. Yeah, he's very good, but.
Things gotta change. So it's fine.
Liz Roman (04:00.957)Oh, changing the guards. You know, we were listening to a podcast yesterday. Lila Hermosy was saying like 5 % of your team at 1 million makes it to the 5 million mark. I was like, Ooh, okay. Cause like we feel like we got some pretty good practitioners, but like there's things that are just certain things I'm catching. And I'm like, we've talked about this. Like these are details and that's our core value details matter. So if we don't see a correction here, like you're a good practitioner, but I've had this conversation with you three times now. And like, it's important.
when people pay thousands of dollars to work with you that your details are on point. So anyways, we're talk about business.
Josh Dech (04:35.262)Well, I agree I agree. Well, yeah, well we'll dive right in here. We'll just get rolling hit the ground running I got your email here some things that talk about so we'll sort of get into the red flags hormone This way get a summary cuz we kind of jump around from drainage to hormones to warning signs and though they are all connected What is like the the umbrella that's lighting a fire for you right now?
Liz Roman (04:56.561)Yeah, let's talk drainage today. Because I know you were saying you don't have that much on your podcast. So
Josh Dech (05:01.342)We talked about it like twice. I did one with Dr. Dare and Reed in one solo and that's it.
Liz Roman (05:06.641)Yeah. So I think we could do that and just really like, if you want to theme it, like the thing that people miss, and this is why your protocols don't work, right? Or whatever you want to theme it, but that's kind of where I'm leaning a lot into and like the gut liver access, which is a big part of drainage, right? So however you want to title it, I'm cool. But yeah, I think drainage is a fine place to just kind of roll.
Josh Dech (05:22.99)Huge.
Josh Dech (05:29.102)Okay, well let's roll into that, that's good. And before we do, is there any particular timeline that you want this episode to release that would be ideal for you? We have a six month backlog, so we've got lots of flexibility.
Liz Roman (05:41.671)No, not particularly.
Josh Dech (05:43.244)Okay. So maybe we'll drop it like early fall. That way we have some space between the drainage stuff. Okay. I love it. All right. any questions for me before we get rolling? Just want to hit it off. dig it. Yeah. You're pretty good at this. Easy enough. Liz Roman. Welcome to the show.
Liz Roman (05:55.303)Yeah, we're good.
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Liz Roman (06:02.459)Thank you, Josh. It's good to see you again. I'm excited to be here.
Josh Dech (06:05.314)Likewise, we were just talking off air here, how we missed each other. We crossed paths in Miami. I was 10 feet away. I saw the back of your head and I was like, Liz. And then I got into something else and we never actually met.
Liz Roman (06:17.519)I know, it's such a bummer. And that's actually how I went up and met Dr. PJ. And I was like, my gosh, we had just done an Instagram live together. And he's like, the poop queen in person. I was like, yeah, it's all back to his head. Yeah, so man, I wish he would have been in person. That would have been so fun. But it's also really cool just to know that our circle is similar. know, Ben is just a phenomenal human being. That's all I can say about him. He's just a good, genuine human. And just really proud of
Josh Dech (06:27.682)The poop queen.
Josh Dech (06:40.718)I
I'm so glad we crossed paths there. You know what's kind of interesting? Being an adult in a career like you have right now, having someone look at the back of your head and yell poop queen in high school used to be bullying. And now you're like, yay, they know me.

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Liz Roman (06:57.117)That's so true. Hey, you know what? Whatever works. You gotta stick out, right?
Josh Dech (06:58.254)It's a very different world. Well, with the poop queen today, we're gonna talk about all the things because you have the name for a reason. You have the title, has nothing to do with what the back of your head looks like or how it smells. It is strictly about your specialty and what you do. We got a lot of ground to cover today. Liz, what is the number one thing we're talking about today and why is it so bloody important?
Liz Roman (07:23.573)man, one word we're gonna say drainage, but a big part of that is constipation, right? I think that so many people walk around with some form of constipation. It doesn't have to be that you're missing multiple days or weeks without going to the bathroom, but it also can be that you're having incomplete evacuations. You're straining to go to the bathroom. And a large part of this is playing a role in how your body is able to handle
getting rid of all the things that you're exposed to every day. And so when we think about someone going into a gut healing phase, or they wanna balance their hormones, right? Or they wanna lose weight. If our drainage and detox pathways are not working appropriately, we're gonna struggle. That healing process is gonna be more challenging, probably take a little bit longer than you desire. And I think that if you are listening to this and you're wondering like, okay, well,
What is normal? What should I be doing every day? What should I be looking for? We'll get into other things, but just from a bowel movement standpoint alone, you want that normal formed sausage-like bowel movement that's easy to pass. It's not urgent. You're not straining for it. You're feeling satisfied. Like when I was chronically constipated for eight years, I would literally yell victory, like to my roommates in college, because I was finally able to go to the bathroom, right?
Josh Dech (08:41.198)You
Liz Roman (08:45.795)And so if we think about just the drainage funnel, like imagine a funnel, at the bottom of it is your colon. And that's where we have to start. If we don't unclog the drain, we can't properly filter all of the toxins and things out that we're trying to maybe address if we're coming in, you know, after pathogens like SIBO or parasites, each pylori, the list goes on.
Josh Dech (09:06.318)Sure. Let's define constipation really quick because the amount of times I've heard clients come back and they've had one bowel movement every two to three days, a doctor says it's normal. Define for me what is constipation first so we know what we're addressing.
Liz Roman (09:22.289)Yeah. Well, so you just mentioned their doctor said it's normal. So I'm assuming this is conventional medicine. Their definition is if you're moving your bowels three times a week, you're good. I don't know about you, but if I only went to the bathroom three times a week, I would feel pretty puffy, bloated, maybe some gas, just like not feel like my jeans fit really well. Yeah, I wouldn't feel great. Tired, right? Brain fog. Things just aren't firing on all cylinders that I want. So
Josh Dech (09:28.664)Yes.
Josh Dech (09:43.128)Sick.
Liz Roman (09:50.821)in the functional, optimal world, one to three times a day, pain-free. And that pain-free, I always say this, if you watch on my Instagram or whatever, is very intentional because people should not be having to sit on the toilet for hours, strain. I had someone recently ask me on a podcast, like, what about manually helping yourself go to the bathroom? Like sticking a finger up and I was like, no, we should not be having to do that.
Josh Dech (10:12.248)Mm.
Josh Dech (10:17.604)Liz, I saw a post on Reddit, I'm actually gonna do an Instagram reel about it, and somebody literally asked, does anal help anybody? He says, I'm a dude, my girlfriend and I have been experiencing, I have chronic constipation, but we found we mess around doing anal that I can have bowel movements. I'm like, dude, your rectum doesn't need a plunger. It's unbelievable, but I get the desperation, I guess, but...
Liz Roman (10:36.677)Josh Dech (10:41.814) Okay, I want to back this one up because it's such a common conversation, more common than I think it should be. So constipation should be, or we're defining constipation as less than one bowel movement a day, or are you saying two a day? What are you looking at?
Liz Roman (10:55.581)Oh, less than one. So if you're not going, I think if you're having one beautiful full evacuation, feel really good about it, think you're good. Some individuals might find that they go again later in the day or even after dinner. believe our ancestors with the amount of fiber that they consumed, it was more common for them to go a little bit more frequently. But unfortunately, we don't consume the 100 gram plus of fiber that the ancestors used to consume. We maybe get.
10 to 15, right? And so that's a big focus too, just how do we fix this? How do we resolve this? What is maybe an underlying contributing factor? Your diet, and that's a huge input, but that's not the topic for today. So we'll say that less than once a day is what we're gonna say is constipated, but there's different forms. So you could be going once a day, but having incomplete stool. So by that, I mean you're only going a little bit, you don't feel satisfied, maybe it's pebbly, it's floating to the top, right? Again,
you want to feel that full, satisfying evacuation. No one will ever know unless you went in and had a scope every single day that you fully eliminated. But the way that I define it is that you feel good about it. And you're not having other digestive issues. You're not gassy, bloated, dealing with those types of just uncomfortable symptoms that make you feel like you need to go, but you can't go.
Josh Dech (12:17.55)So I know we're talking about drainage today. We are going to get there. I promise you that. But I want to talk about the fiber conversation. I definitely advocate for animal based at least in my line of work with some plants. But there are some people who eat fiber and they get more constipated. There are some people who eat it and they get the runs. What's the difference here and why are we having the fiber conversation? I almost said constipation, but I guess they sound the same.
Liz Roman (12:41.607)Well, we can have fiber make constipation worse, especially if you are dehydrated. So that is definitely one aspect. And I always tell people when you're going to introduce fiber, whether it's through natural foods, plant-based foods, supplemental form, whatever, you want to go low and slow and you want to see how your body tolerates it. And I think that depends upon the state of your gut and what you're used to.
So let's say if you are coming off of maybe a carnivore-based diet, you're not gonna feel great bombing your gut with a bunch of fiber that you haven't been exposed to, right? It's the same way if somebody went off of a ketogenic diet and started just eating all the carbs. They're gonna have some digestive backlash because your body is also so wise and so intelligent that it will down-regulate different enzymatic functions when it's not needing to perform those duties.

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So I think that's a big part of it. If you are increasing, go low and slow. I think your fiber intake is very different for every bio individual. There is no one set level. I think that people should be, we can give ranges, right? Maybe that's ideal for the mass population. Maybe that's not ideal for you. I don't know what's going on in your gut. I don't know the state of your gut microbiome. You have a lot of bacterial overgrowth if you have a lot of inflammation in the gut.
Right, you're really reactive to a lot of these plant fibers and different compounds. Maybe this is not the time that you're ingesting that and you feel better on the more carnivore or meat based diets or a higher fat diet, maybe with some protein. Like it could be very person independent and that's all gonna be depending on what is going on in the gut microbiome, which I think you would echo is why we do the work we do to get to the root cause. Instead of people just continuing to walk around.
constipated, bloated, and gassy, recognize these are some red flags that you need to identify what's really happening in your terrain, your microbiome, and then address that with diet. A lot of times that will lead to people doing this maybe low FODMAP or more plant-based approach, maybe a keto-based approach, depending upon what they're dealing with. And then they feel better, but you still wanna work through what's going on in your microbiome so that you can resolve those issues. And then if you have a vacation,
Liz Roman (14:50.021)or time that, hey, you wanna change your diet up, you don't totally get sick and blow up like a balloon because you changed your diet a little bit and enjoyed some foods that you normally don't have.
Josh Dech (15:01.888)I love that bio individuality and this was a conversation I think it's difficult because we go well I was told to eat 30 grams or 50 grams of fiber and I was better or I was worse I was told these things but it's so important to understand right now as you're listening to this conversation it's contextual when you're working with someone like myself or working with someone like Liz or whoever your go-to gut specialist is it is important to understand that your unique case is not the same as everybody else's unique case that's why they're unique
And so if you're eating these things, go, it's not working for me. It's because there's an underlying issue. And I don't believe Liz that the food is the problem. I don't believe that the plants are the problem or that the meat is the problem. I believe it's what we put on the foods. That's the problem. I know people who thrive on a plant-based vegan diet. That's great. People who thrive on carnivore. I've done both. I know where I sit. But at the end of this thing, like you mentioned, this funnel at the bottom of it is the colon. If the colon is dysfunctional, we have to go to the top of the funnel and work on drainage.
Can you define drainage for us?
Liz Roman (16:02.941)Yeah, so the way that I like to say this, honestly, layman's terms, if you think of a bathtub, right? So you have a faucet that is water running and inside that is chemicals and toxins and heavy metals and all these pesticides and herbicides that are spraying all over our food. Yeah, exactly. Maybe some medication thrown in there, you know, coming out the well water, city water. But anyway, so you have this faucet and then you have your drain.
Josh Dech (16:16.664)Just sounds like regular city water to me.
Liz Roman (16:28.365)And if you are watching on Spotify or YouTube right now, you're seeing I have very long hair. My hair clogs drains very quickly. And so, you if you have a drain that is clogged, things can't get out. And so that water starts to back up. But this faucet is still flowing. And so what I see people do wrong is that they try to shut off the faucet or they try to, you know, just like keep bathing in this dirty bath water, but they never actually address the
clog in the drain and that's what we need to address is the clog in the drain so that you can get that dirty bath water out because the reality is that faucet is never really fully shut off. You can do everything you know with your water quality. I talk about this all the time water quality and air quality these are huge. You want to do everything to avoid the toxins right? Think about all the things in your environment that you can clean up anything you're putting on your body in your body in your environment that you're smelling and breathing in we can do all the things to try to clean that up but the reality is
For me anyways, I drive my car. I go to the grocery store, right? I go to the park. I play with my kids outside and we live in a suburban area. So I'm still being exposed to some of these things just because I'm living my life. And so if I don't first focus on unclogging the drain, again, all that stuff backs up. That water is very dirty. Things are being recirculated in the body. This is where I start to see women especially deal with hormonal imbalances.
Of course, the gut issues and all of those things. But we think about brain fog, joint pain, skin issues, eczema, psoriasis, know, all of these things that we just maybe sometimes walk around with and think are normal or it's, that's just me, right? It's just mom brain or my fatigue is just mom life. But for so many women, there's underlying dysfunction with the drainage pathways. And so, you know, we have that analogy, but we actually have eight drainage pathways in the body. And so starting just kind of like north to south.
We're going to think your brain, this drains while we sleep. It has to detoxify things across the blood brain barrier. We need to get rid of them so we don't end up with neurological dysfunction and brain inflammation. You have your lungs, you're breathing in, I think it's like 20,000 gallons of arid day or something insane. Yeah, it's nuts. So then you have your skin, right? Your lymphatic fluid underneath your skin, which is very important. There's a lot of places that we can get, you know, stagnation and lymph congestion.
Josh Dech (18:38.638)It's like a swimming pool, yeah.
Liz Roman (18:53.373)Then you have your kidneys, your bile coming from your liver and your gallbladder, super important. Your liver, of course, and everybody thinks that liver is just my detox organ and I have it, I don't need to support drainage and detox. Well, we're here to tell you that you do. There's three phases of detoxification in the liver we know as well, and many genetic factors can play a role with this. And then we've already talked about bowel movements, your colon, and then we have our cellular drainage, and that's our mitochondria.
So if we have mitochondria that aren't able to function properly, produce the energy, we're not able to get toxins out of the cells, keep cell permeability, get good nutrients and vitamins and minerals into the cells, we're gonna struggle. And we're gonna struggle with things like autophagy, which helps us prevent disease, proliferation in the body, we're gonna struggle with brain fog, fatigue, the list goes on. And so it becomes this very complex thing. And that's why I wanted to talk about it today because
You and I both believe heavily in, yeah, we got to do the work to heal the gut microbiome. Yeah, we want to do the things to support balancing our hormones. Yeah, we want to get, you know, your metabolic dysfunction turned around so you can lose weight and you can have great blood sugar and all these things to thrive and have longevity. But before we get into that, we've got to start with drainage, because if we don't, and I'd love your insights and opinion on this as well.
that healing process just doesn't go as smoothly. People start to have reactions, what we call Hertz reactions, right? Where they feel worse. And some people even ask me, and I'm always surprised by this, and I guess I shouldn't be anymore, but like, should I expect to feel worse before I feel better? I'm like, well, in this phase, we're working on opening up the drains. We're working on priming your body to do the deeper work. What we're actually looking for is a release of inflammation, a release of toxins in a way that makes you feel better.
So I'd love to hear, if you focus on this in your practice too, what you think is, I think this is a huge piece that many people overlook and even in conventional medicine, right? They have a SIBO test or H. pylori test, what do they do? Bomb their gut with antibiotics and this poor person gets worse and worse and worse because that methane SIBO they're dealing with still has them constipated. And now they've just killed a bunch of bacteria, released it throughout the body.
Liz Roman (21:14.629)and pissed off their immune system. And so they're like 10 times worse than they were even before the antibiotic.

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Josh Dech (21:20.162)That's so bang on. I describe it this way. Your body is like a cup of water and it starts to fill up. And as that cup fills up, you develop symptoms until one day it finally overflows. It's bad enough symptomatically to be given a diagnosis by your doctor or you finally go to see them. Then they give you a diagnosis and the diagnosis is cup over flowy itis, but they don't ever explain what filled that cup up. They don't explain why it's full. They don't explain why it's not emptying. And so I look at it this way. If
Detoxing, like you mentioned, we have your liver, it's always doing its job right. Detoxing is collecting the trash. Drainage is bringing it out to the curb. It's how we get rid of that waste product. But if you got a cup that's full, say you drop a penny in the bottom of a full cup, how are you going to get it out? Well, if you reach your hand in, what happens? That cup overflows, everything gets wet. That's your Herck's reaction. People full of parasites and bacteria and fungus and SIBO and all these things go and take these antibiotics and killers and kill them off. It's like popping a balloon full of confetti.
that has to go somewhere and it fills your cup. And as you reach your hand into that cup, again, to move stuff around, you overflow and you get even sicker. And now there's water confetti everywhere. I'm mixing analogies now, but you get the idea. But I've often explained drainage is seven pathways and cellular is the big one and brain and even lungs are three that I don't typically mention. I'll typically mention sinuses, but I'll go through lungs, skin, lymph, kidney, bile, liver, bowels.
and sinuses, but I don't actually talk about lungs, brain, or cellular, which I think is such an important piece of the puzzle when we get down to it. I omit it for the sake of simplicity, but I feel like you've got a really simple handle on this one. You can explain it really well, better than I probably can. Break down the lungs, brain, and cellular for us and why this matters.
Liz Roman (23:09.095)Yeah, so I think we all know that we have CO2, right? So we're breathing in and we're taking what's usable and then very quickly breathing that out. And so a lot of times when we're exhaling here, we're actually pushing out toxins, cellular waste and acids. So your cells produce basically waste just like a factory would, right? And so if we don't clear that out, all of that stuff is going to build up in the body. And this is where I think we can start to look at a lot of things like, know, allergies and asthma.
like respiratory issues, chronic sinus infections, of course, can be connected here with the lungs and all of that that's draining. I also say in terms of the gut microbiome and everything, your nasal pathways, your sinus microbiome is connected, your oral microbiome is connected. so thinking about the air that we breathe in, if all of that is toxic, we're living in mold, we're working in an office that has water damage and that mold is emitting these mycotoxins that are.
very toxic to the body in very different ways. And then, you we go home and our home is full of endocrine disrupting chemicals from bath and body work. So we're lathering that on, you know, our body all the time when we're just constantly breathing in these toxins, that's going to fill your water cup up very quickly. Right. And there's only so much that your body can handle to detoxify that and take out the trash so quickly. Because I think, again, we go back to that sink and
or the bathtub analogy, right? The water flowing in, you want it flowing out at the same rate. But if you got too much coming in, it's like a dam that just opened, like your body can't handle it. And that's where we start to see the cellular toxicity, right? So if you think of even, you know, I'm sure you've talked about this before in the podcast with mitochondria and cell danger response. Your body and your immune system is so intelligent and smart. It doesn't want to release those toxins if it doesn't feel that it can handle. And so we come into like a cell danger.
response, right? And so we just sequester. And I see this a lot with people who are really weight loss resistant, right? Because fat stores a lot of these toxins. And so the immune system says like, hey, I've got so much built up here. If I release this, she's going to get really sick. And so I'm trying to do that as a protective mechanism. And so again, it's going after thinking about how we can signal the body that, we're okay, we're safe. Some of that's removing the stressors and the toxins, right? Doing some nervous system work.
Liz Roman (25:30.279)maybe doing some manual lymphatic drainage or detox baths, cleaning up your air quality, get an air filter in your office, get an air filter in your home. I have one in every room of our house, in our basement, we have dehumidifiers, right? You've got to manage moisture in your air because the reality about mold and mycotoxins, I know we're not talking about that today, but we're exposed to them all the time. And we are gonna continue to be exposed to them all the time. It's how we manage your body's ability to handle it. And some people are more sensitive than...
than others are. I know for me, I'll give a little example. My son goes to this jujitsu class a couple nights a week and it's a gym that's very nice. We love the owners, all the things, but it's half underground. I walk in there, I can smell. I know this place has got mold, musty, micro toxins, something going on. I hadn't gone there in a long time because I try to avoid that environment. For me, I'm really reactive and sensitive. But I took him last week and I was there for 45 minutes and I left with a headache.
Josh Dech (26:15.0)Mm-hmm.
Liz Roman (26:29.297)What did do? came home and I was like, I've got to walk in fresh air. I was doing nasal sprays, trying to clean my nasal cavities out. If I just got a nebulizer, like I'll start nebulizing some glutathione or some other peptides, because if you get exposed to these things, maybe you're not as sensitive like I am. But you don't also know maybe if you're just not making that correlation.
I just know to make those correlations and I know how reactive I am. So your lungs and your airway are huge and again that's where I go back to. Top two things I always focus on in chronic illness cases before we even get the right or earn the right to go into other work is you got to have good clean water quality and you got to have a good air filter in your home.
Josh Dech (27:09.782)I love that. It's as simple as IT guy comes to your home and computer is not working. Yes. Did you turn off the power? That's like 101. Do it simple. Do the easy stuff. Your inputs are trash. Your outputs will be trash. Love that. So we got trash inputs. We don't have clean water. We're drinking city water tap water. I've actually got a colleague of mine. She runs a microbiome testing lab out of Houston, Texas. And she moved here from I forget where she was. Anyway, point being she moved.
And within a couple of weeks, her gut started feeling funny. Within about two months, she had IBS for the first time ever. She's like, this is what I do for a living. The hell's going on? She tested her water. It was full of pesticides and chemicals, heavy metals, aluminum. She had uranium in the bloody water. And so they had to go through to a point of entry because the water was toxic. The air is toxic. I got a client of mine right now who lives three miles from a golf course. You probably saw that new study that just came out about Parkinson's. What is it? 100 and you have it?
Liz Roman (28:06.479)on my real list tomorrow. I'm going to make a reel about it because we've known this stuff in functional medicine. Yes, it's true. We've seen it. Atrazine and glyphosate. Thank you, Conventional Medicine, for now showing a research article. And then I digress, but yes, I've seen it.
Josh Dech (28:21.518)Oh, I know. The shit my naturopath was talking about in the 90s. When I I was born in 92. So I'm a little kid driving up to the middle of nowhere. I remember climbing on this big rock in the woods cause that's basically where his office was. And we go in, he says, no, any perspirit deodorants. The aluminum is linked to Alzheimer's and disease and drainage issues and inflammation, blah, blah, blah. And then it came out, what five years ago, that suddenly aluminum is bad. I'm like, yeah, they were 30 years ahead of you. And that's the trend.
Homeopathy, natural and functional medicine is 30 plus years ahead of Western medicine and then everybody celebrates when they see it, demonizes it when functional says it.
Liz Roman (28:57.681)Yeah, we're woo woo, we're quack, we're cuckoo, conspiracy theorists, tinfoil hats, whatever they call us. And that's fine. You know, I'm happy to be called whatever because at the end of the day, I've been on the other side. Like I have been in conventional medicine asking for help for years and symptoms fell on deaf ears and it was a medication after another medication after a steroid and none of it fixed the issues. And not one doctor talked about the things that were going on in my environment. Not one doctor talked about the food quality.
Josh Dech (28:59.939)Yeah.

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Liz Roman (29:26.683)Right? The only conversation I ever had with the doctor was my OB-GYN telling me the reason why I couldn't lose weight is because it was a calories in calories out issue, a simple mathematical equation. And I said, I'm going to the gym multiple times a week. I'm eating 1200 calories. I'm like 22 years old at that point in time. I don't remember. It's not a calories in calories out. Like I'm begging you for help. I'm telling you, I don't feel good. I'm, you know, continuing to be constipated. I had the colonoscopy. They told me everything was normal.
Josh Dech (29:34.443)No.
Liz Roman (29:56.145)Right? I've been taking the Merillax. It's killing my insides, you all these things. And so I've been there and that's fine. Some people, it has to take their own personal journey for them to wake up and smell the coffee and be like, this is what people on the other side are talking about. And I do believe there are some really extremes. And I think the non-toxic culture can be toxic too, in some ways. But yes, I did see the connection with Parkinson's and golf courses. And again, what that's going to boil down to is
glyphosate and atrazine, and we can also, I know this is your real house, look at the research and the correlation of glyphosate. You can look at the charts, right? The rise in celiac, the rise in inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn's colitis cases, right? And correlation doesn't always mean causation, but there's something going on here. There's a connection. And if you look at some of the testing, I know you probably run some total tox tests too, I don't see a ton of it, but I see...
Josh Dech (30:43.775)yes.
Liz Roman (30:53.861)a lot in terms of mild reactions. Like don't see a lot of high glyphosate or atrazine, but I see a lot in terms of the mild reactivity. And then now I'm even seeing other different types of pesticides and herbicides. again, we go back and I'm like, your air quality, your water quality, you're not washing your fruits and vegetables or you're washing your fruits and vegetables with your city water, right? That's not getting all those chemicals off, right? If you can't afford to buy organic, then you got to prioritize the things that, you know,
the dirty 15 clean dozen, whatever, all those things, those can be helpful. But yeah, sadly, conventional medicine is far behind the curve into understanding the disease. And maybe that will change soon in the US. We'll see.
Josh Dech (31:37.166)Or maybe it's deliberate and they don't want to because it's worth 4.7 trillion dollars a year who knows back to my tin foil hat That's that's all my hairline is back here Liz. It's this high up my tin foil hats like rubbing my hair off my skull But you know, I was at the grocery store just the other day and I was picking up bunch of stuff My wife's like we need we need What's there I'm looking for? Yes, my wife says we need dishwasher tabs. That was the word that I got lost
And so I was looking at the back of these things and it literally says contains this and this chemical that and that chemical if swallowed call poison control immediately. Like this is on my dishes. This is what they want to put all over your stuff. It doesn't rinse off. You can smell it. There's a grit. You can feel it. And this goes into our bodies. So we have this huge concoction of chemicals, 20,000 or so pesticides. have fake hormones and pharmaceuticals and all this junk that's getting into our system. It's clogging up our drainage pathways. It's blocking up
the brain, the blood brain barrier, lungs, skin, lymphatic system. It's clogging up the kidneys, liver and bile ducts, your bowels, cellular level. It's also disrupting you, inflaming your sinuses. So our drain is plugged. Things aren't getting out. So they're now recirculating through the body, which is leading to constipation. What's the in-between? We have all these toxins now in our system circulating through the body doing what that leads to constipation.
Liz Roman (32:55.367)Yeah, so this is where I would say first and foremost, we're gonna think like symptoms, right? So we mentioned earlier, know, brain fog, joint pain, skin issues, rashes, hives. I mean, it's gotta go somewhere. It's not coming out erectum, so it's gotta go somewhere. But I will tell you a few that I don't think a lot of people correlate. And number one is that you don't sweat. So believe it or not, right, your skin is the largest surface organ and it's a huge detox pathway.
If you are not sweating, this is a sign that your body is hiding some of these bacterial infections. So that's one. Itchy skin can be another one, or just like internal feelings of itchiness. Cellulite, so this is again where we're looking at like our lymphatic system, our fascia is stagnant. And then edema, so swelling or pitting. Like people always think, it's just a sodium issue, drink less sodium. Right, it's like, my gosh, come on, we need to look at your whole mineral balance and you probably need more sodium.
Josh Dech (33:48.616)Yeah, that's so 1970s of you.
Liz Roman (33:52.301)Yes, yes. And then, know, one that I just I have to call out here is, you know, when we think about bio, this is so key. And this is something I've been talking a lot about recently with the gut liver access. So bio plays many roles in the body. One of them is to sequester toxins and to remove them, to remove cholesterol from the body, to help act as an antimicrobial in the small intestine, to help.
with stimulating motility and so forth, but it should recirculate. And if bile is becoming sluggish, it's more peanut butter-like, it's not sufficient enough that your body needs. Let's say you're eating a higher fat diet. Now you're not breaking down those foods as well, you're not getting all of the fat-soluble antioxidants and vitamins and minerals that you need, but a big thing here is that toxins then start to leak out into the gut and they go.
to the liver and this creates a little bit of liver inflammation and the liver says, ooh, this is endotoxics, lipopolysaccharides and things like that. I'm gonna become inflamed and create these fatty depositions. And then that further slows down bio-production, right? So it becomes more stagnant. And so here what I see happening is individuals having elevated liver enzymes, lipid profiles that are off, maybe they're not off conventionally, but they are off in the optimal range.
for what we wanna see. And we can see there that your triglycerides are going up. But this is all happening like after the damage has been done, right? So it's really important in my opinion to be thinking at how are we supporting the liver? How are we supporting bile? And yeah, that's gonna show up in your bowel movements as well. Like if you have stagnant bile, you could have that right side pain. You could have pebbly stools, more like straining. A lot of bile issues are related to fissures and hemorrhoids at the exit point.
We can also see estrogen dominant cases or, you again, a lot of metabolic issues because of this relationship between the liver and the gallbladder and that bile and the gut, excuse me, and bile not flowing fluidly through. So it's not sufficient. And I just think that's such a big one that people don't recognize. It goes hand in hand and it is one of the main things that we need to eliminate these toxins. And that will help the kidneys to...
Liz Roman (36:10.845)But we want to make sure that we are beyond just going to the bathroom every day. I would say you're sweating regularly. You're moving your body, moving that limp. So you can do obviously exercise is great. Strength training, some zone two cardio, walking, all those things, rebounding, whatever you prefer. But you could get into things like an Epsom salt bath, right? You could do a big six lymphatic drainage massage, dry brushing, castor oil packs. There's so many things that we can do that are almost all free.
to support your body continuing to move these things out at the same time that you're making smarter choices. So what you mentioned about the dishwasher tabs, very toxic. mean, we look at a lot of that stuff and we can see they're endocrine disruptors, right? They're burdening the liver, they're causing a lot of neurological issues. And it's not, you know, like one thing, like you mentioned before, it's the accumulation of all the things. Because...
Okay, you're washing your dishes with this, but then how many times are you eating off that fork, the spoon, plate? It's not like it's a one-time thing. It's a daily thing. Plus you have tap water that you're consuming all these nasty contaminants. I've even heard, think it was Huberman that talked about how there was a study they showed finding particles of tampons or something in the water supply. I'm like, how disgusting is that? I can believe the parasites in the bacteria and the medications and all the other stuff. I don't know.

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Josh Dech (37:29.95)Yum. the tampons is that one did me in there. I'm good. I'm never gonna drink water again.
Liz Roman (37:39.517)Yeah, right. It's like, I don't need that. So and then I think on that too, thinking about drainage, how can all of this function? Well, if we're dehydrated and most people are dehydrated and get water is so crucial to the body. mean, everything in your body requires water. So making sure that you're adequately hydrated and you're getting your essential minerals in. No. So I think many people have an opportunity.
to improve their symptoms. Their brain fog actually just posted on my story this morning. I was like, don't come at me with your dull skin, your pebbly poops and your crash at 3 p.m. if you're starting your day with coffee. And I was showing like water with lemon, pinch of sea salt, my camu camu in there. I'm like, now I can support liver and drainage. I can support digestion. I can support my skin health, my brain health. I have good energy, adrenal support, know, all these things. But we wake up in a dehydrated state and we go to the coffee because we're tired.
right, for a lot of other reasons. One maybe being that your air quality sucks and you your breathing is laboring your nervous system and all these things. anyways, you gotta give your body what it needs as well. So you wanna have good clean water, but you gotta drink enough of it to actually benefit from it. And I think that's a big thing that we should just, you know, touch on there as well because I see it all the time. People come into our practice. I'm planning on a constipation and they're drinking 32, maybe 40 ounces of water a day.
Josh Dech (39:05.58)Yeah, it's funny because I'll often say our world is no longer compatible with our biology. And I get asked all the time, well, you know, it's so complicated. How come I need to know all this stuff? Why doesn't my body work this way? Your body works just fine. Your body, I believe we are designed by an intelligent creator and that everything was meant to work flawlessly. It is the manmade world, the toxins, the chemicals in our water, in our food, radiation, EMFs and Wi-Fi, all the 5G.
the fluorescent blue lights, the artificial light, because your body's covered in photoreceptors, your eyes, the works. It's the chemicals we slather on, the perfumes, the antiperspirants, all these man-made things that disrupt us. You don't see hunter-gatherer tribes in Tanzania worrying about castor oil packs and performing drainage. Their bodies do just work, but they're barefoot in the grass, outside, sweating and moving and eating real food, and they don't have any perspirant deodorants. Like, it really would be that simple.
Liz Roman (40:03.601)dancing around, playing the drums. They're getting their lymphatic drainage in. They don't need to do all this.
Josh Dech (40:06.882)Right? Have you seen the spring action and the Messiah people? Like there was a little video that was amazing, went viral. I think it was Brian Sanders, Food Lies. And it was this, I think he was, I don't know if he was a researcher or who he was, but was trying to jump. And I'm sure you've watched like your average 40 year old white dude who works at a desk job try to jump. They get like two inches off the ground and stumble and fall. These guys, they jump nearly straight leg. The spring that they have in the reflex, they barely connect with the ground. They're down, they're up.
Fast as lightning because they use their feet they move in off-topic But I recently switched from a standard like I always wear Chuck's Converse, right? Cuz they're nice and thin but I don't wear runners But I even switched from those to Vivo barefoot and it's the thinnest best like my favorite shoe my toes spread My calves were sore for a month and now they're huge Because I'm actually using them because I wasn't in my foot like this is the depth
I know we're off constipation now, but this is to illustrate the depth at which the artificialism, if that's even a word, of our world goes, that it's not compatible with our biology, right down to the shoes you use and the things you brush your teeth with.
Liz Roman (41:18.813)Yeah, I 100 % agree with you. think that's why grounding is so important and there's a lot of information on that and I'm not the expert with this, but one of my mentors, Alex Kickle, talks about this all the time in terms of your energy within the body and the energetic system. And so how are you getting grounded? Are you walking barefoot in the grass? Yeah, we can use these, they have grounding sheets and PEMF and mats and all that stuff. I don't have those things. I don't buy into it yet. I'm not gonna lie.
Maybe I'll eat my words in six months or something the more I learn about it, but I would just rather go outside. I would love walking in nature. It is so meditative to me that is like, you tell me to sit down and meditate and I get a little stressed out because I've tried a lot of different ways and it just, I haven't been good at it. And I did give it a good go for quite a while. So it's just not my thing. But walking in nature, that's my thing. And that's something where people just...
They just are lazy in a lot of ways. And it's like, hey, you go from your office to your car to home to the couch, right? Like, yeah, maybe you're getting some movements. Like, I'm always floored. I don't, I would have to work hard at not getting 10,000 steps a day because it's so important for me to move. And when you have energy, your body wants to move. We are designed to move. We are made to move. And so even if it's not shoeless all the time, right, just get outside and go for a walk.
and start doing some of these things that we've mentioned in here, right? So that you can support your drainage and detox pathways. Because the reality is, like you've mentioned, all the things around us, we don't have that much control over. You can try to put these different EMF blockers and things like that on your phone. I don't know if it works or not. I don't have thousands of dollars to look at the technology to say, hey, this one worked and this one didn't. You know what mean? We could try to do.
all of these things that we learn about a little bit better and lessen the load. But the reality is we do, we have not evolved. And so we do have to be a bit more intentional with maybe putting in some of these extra steps. Like I mentioned before, right? The castor oil packs, or maybe it's a liver support or whatever it might be for you. But I just think that this is so important. And if you walk around feeling pretty good, I would bet you that.
Liz Roman (43:34.907)you don't even know how good you can feel because most people don't. And they think that their normal is good relative to the people in their circles. Yet when they maybe go through just a drainage protocol, like we wrote just a whole drainage and detox course in our private community, like you just go and watch that. You know, it's a free community for seven days if you want to go in and look at it, learn all the things, you know, more. And you do those things and you're like, wow, I didn't realize that I didn't have to have a 3pm slump.
that wake up in the middle of the night every night, right? That I can have good sustained energy throughout the day and think and be productive and actually function like I'm designed to and stop blaming the mom brain or the mom fatigue or whatever it is that society has led you to believe that is true. Like you mentioned before, and I agree with you, we're designed to feel amazing, to function, to be healthy. It is that we choose with some of our choices to put
junk food in our body to go with this instant gratification, cave to the culture of mommy juice or sugar at every birthday party because that's how we celebrate birthdays. You can't have a birthday apparently without a cake or a cupcake, know, and we're home. You know, we have those things as treats sometimes, but I try to say like, it's more about the experience. What can we do to experience your birthday? Like we're going camping with my, it'll be six year old next month because I said, I would rather take you and do an experience with you.
then have a birthday party with crappy pizza and cupcakes that you just don't need.
Josh Dech (45:04.802)Yeah. Everyone feels like shit after, you know? Yeah. I don't remember.
Liz Roman (45:08.913)So, but some people don't realize they feel like shit after, because that's just their norm.

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Josh Dech (45:14.348)It is their norm. I don't remember presents growing up. I don't remember gifts I got for my birthday. I remember things I wasted money on because that was a shit experience. But I remember vacations. I remember events. I remember meeting people. I remember doing things because their life was meant to be lived in experiences and not stuff. And I know we're sort of off the track. So I'm going to bring us right back here. We've talked about a lot of things. I want to make sure we can organize it now for the listener to say, OK.
We talked about where constipation comes from. We went through drainage, emptying that bathtub. We talked about the different pathways. Some supports went through castor oil. There's all kinds of supplements you can use. NAC and Tudka and all kinds of goodies you can use. I'm really big on. But those who are going through dealing with constipation right now, they're likely either taking Miralax because their doctor gave that to them or they're taking Sena tea or some kind of herb. Maybe they're taking magnesium oxide or citrate just because, well, if I can get my bowels moving.
That's fine. We're dealing with the symptom. I call it plant-based medication, right? You're taking a plant or an herb to deal with what Miralax would do anyway. So what's the first step we're doing? We're dealing with constipation right now. Step number one, two, three, four, like walk me through what I need to be doing if I'm not pooping twice a day.
Liz Roman (46:30.013)Every day. Number one is you're gonna ensure that you get at least half your body weight in ounces of water, maybe two thirds. Add minerals, add electrolytes. Those are really important. I start every day with lemon water and a pinch of sea salt. Lemon is a bitter, so that will help stimulate your digestive juices and your bile. So it supports your liver and detoxification as well. I love the mineral salts in there for adrenal function as well, so that I'm starting my day in a good place. I'm a coffee drinker. I got my coffee right here.
Next to me, it's 12 o'clock. I haven't finished it yet because we've been busy on calls, but I'm constantly drinking water throughout the day. So that is number one. People think they're hydrated. They're not. And they're not cellularly hydrated. You're not going to have a smooth bowel movement if you're a dried out raisin. You know, if your colon is just really dry. So that's, would say, number one and kind of two if you want to lump that together in terms of the lemon water in the morning. Number two is I really like to look at your food. How clean is your food? Whatever diet you
you know, wanna follow if it's paleo, it's, you know, keto, it's carnivore, if it's plant-based vegan, whatever, how clean is your food? Meaning, are you actually doing one ingredient whole foods or are you buying keto bars that are still a processed packaged food with some artificial sugars and alcohols and ingredients in there that your body is probably not gonna handle as well as those one ingredient whole foods? So I think that's the keto bars.
Josh Dech (47:53.208)They taste so good.
yes, right? We're trading function for taste.
Liz Roman (48:00.325)Yes, I'm not saying not to have those things, but I know back in the day I would try to hit my protein and I probably had a total of eight ounces of actual meat, which now I can honestly I love meat so I can just eat that like probably within two meals. But I would have like eight ounces for the entire day and then the rest would be shakes, bars, whatever, know, treats, protein treats, protein mug cakes. those are delicious. There's a gluten free one. You know, so I think it's just evaluating like
how much of that do I have? Even like beef jerky and different things like that. It's like, okay, what are we doing with the majority of our food and how can we clean that up? And how does that make us feel? So even there, maybe taking a food blog, like, do I notice on these days that I have better bowel movements and less stomach pain and less gas? Okay, maybe I need to do more of this or maybe I need to adjust it and kind of get to know yourself a little bit. So I think that's a big thing, because most people aren't aware.
They just eat and they're like, I don't feel good. And I don't know why. OK, I asked a lady earlier today, like, what triggers your heartburn? I don't know. like, well, let's start a journal for that, because you just said that it's erratic and you don't think that it's food related. So I'm lost and I don't know how to help you unless I have some more data. So get some data, analyze that. I am with you on some sort of support for the liver because our soil is so different with our farming practices.
our food is not as nutrient dense. And so it could be something like a beef liver in a capsule form, get a great quality one, or it could be glutathione, it could be NAC, it could be TUDCA, love TUDCA. TUDCA is a great support too for bile. But, know, liver gallbladder is really where I start. I think, yeah, like you said, the other stuff can be helpful, but if you've got sluggish bile flow here, you're not gonna correct the constipation. And then I'm gonna say number four is honestly, and this could...
probably be reversed and put at the top, you have to manage your stress. If you're chronically in this fight or flight state, so you wake up and your hair's on fire and you miss the alarm, the kids are screaming, you gotta be out the door, what are you doing? You're not giving yourself time to get this calm signal of I need to go to the bathroom. Some people get the opposite when they're in a stressed out state where they get more like diarrhea urgency to go, but most people just get bound up or they withhold.
Liz Roman (50:22.309)And so I'm a big fan of that morning routine in addition to that lemon water. You could even do teas there if you want, like dandelion tea, milk thistle tea, all those can be great for the liver. But if you're not managing your stress, giving your body time to give you the signal, get into the proper pooping position. So I call this pooping hygiene, just like eating hygiene. You pooping hygiene, get your knees above your hips, do some breaths, give yourself time.
Don't be sitting there like, shit, I gotta go. Cause I hit snooze and like, my God. And you're trying to like push it out, right? Because that's just not how your body was designed. So I think your routines are gonna be important just as much as anything else. And getting into that kind of rest and digest state, not just for your bowel movements, but also when you're sitting down with food, try to chew your food, eat undistracted, minimize liquids with your meals. All those things matter because if you have
a lot of liquids with your meals and you're in this stressed out state. Digestion just overall can't function properly. So you're just setting yourself up to be one way or the other miserable. So those would be kind of, guess that's top five, because I added an eating hygiene there, but I think all of those things are very simple. None of them cost anything unless you buy a tea or you buy a Tudko or whatever, everything else is free. And if you don't start with the foundations, you can't out supplement the foundations.
Josh Dech (51:44.984)Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree.
Liz Roman (51:46.503)And I think a lot of people in functional medicine are doing this and it drives me nuts. They're just supplementing the symptoms. Client comes in, patient comes in, you got this? Cool, take this. that didn't work for you? Let me sell you another one of my black line labeled supplements and make another 30 bucks off of you. And you're not actually looking strategically at the case and at the foundations. And I think that is just far, far overlooked. And if you are meeting with a provider who's not detailed,
and I'm gonna tell you this story and then I know we gotta wrap up, but I have a new lady that I'm working with. She worked with a functional doctor for a year, did all the testing. She's very low free T3. She's medicated and it's not changing. And so I asked her today about her water quality and dental, oral health, because I'm thinking heavy metals. What is blocking and inhibiting this from improving? Because she's at a 2.3. She's not gonna improve her constipation.
She's miserable, know? Poor, I feel so bad for her. She's the nicest, sweetest lady. Well, it turns out where they live is the Cancer Valley of Ohio. They live next to an aluminum factory, if you know what I mean. And they don't have filtered water, like good quality filtered water. And so that's the first thing. I was like, as I mentioned to you a few calls back, thankfully, her husband was actually on the call with me today. We got to talk through some other things that I identified in her labs. And I said, know, we need to do a little further digging here. But.
I don't even want to do other testing until these things are fixed. Because no matter what we find, if you're continuing to put it in your body, it's going to continue to impair you and impair the way that your body is designed to function. And so kind of as you mentioned before, and I think the perfect way to wrap it up from that functional medicine standpoint, we're about root cause. And we got to put all your pieces of the puzzle together. But we cannot do that and overlook the foundations because your food,

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Your water quality, your air quality, those are really your three largest inputs.
Josh Dech (53:45.442)That's so good. I see all the time I have people coming back to me while I was, seeing a functional provider and they got this laundry list of supplements that are managing symptoms or they came in, they got gut issues. So the first thing the functional provider quote functional does is they give them a GI map. So they're measuring their stool. Like why? Like that's a downstream issue. Your gut bacteria didn't screw itself up. So you spent four or $500 on a GI map.
to measure bacteria and you don't know why it got screwed up in the first place. You're gonna spend all this time and money and effort and emotional energy trying to fix it and it's gonna relapse anyway. You have to go deeper and I love that you're doing that. It's so underdone. I think we sort of put this blanket and you have people who don't do what you're talking about now going to the roots, putting the puzzle together and saying, where does this come from? But instead they're doing the exact same thing doctors are which is managing symptoms.
with expensive supplements and at least your doctor's shit is covered by insurance. You know what I mean? Like, there's a pro there.
Liz Roman (54:44.025)Right. Yeah, and like the other thing is like, if they're just like taking all these supplements, who just like throwing darts at the wall, how do you know? And this is what I will often ask. How do you know what's working and what's not? Because I have said that to date, 33 is the highest that I've seen a person come in on at one time. 30 supplements. And you know what we did? Uh huh. Yeah, you know what did? We pulled her off all of them.
Josh Dech (55:02.094)33 supplements.
Josh Dech (55:07.182)and they were taking those consistently. Wow. Yep.
Liz Roman (55:12.237)I winded it down. We went in straight with a very, you know, tailored diet to her and we got air quality. She has an air filter. She can't afford many. So she bought one really good one and she moves it around her house where she is most of the time. Fine. Fine with me. I don't care. It's better than before. Right. And then a water quality. And within the first month, she's now starting to lose weight. She has better energy. Her joint pain subsiding. I'm starting to see results that I haven't seen.
for a long time and I think again it's because they supplement the symptoms and they overlook the biggest inputs. And I don't know why that is, but I only know that we designed our program and I'm sure it's very similar to yours, the way that we did because I don't want to be a functional medicine practice that just sees people once a month and the first time I'm looking at their test is when they're in my office.
I want to be able to work with these people in the trenches. I want to manage everything from their exercise to their diet. If we're doing peptides or hormones, we have medical partners we work with. So I know what they're doing. makes sense. I'm partnering with those medical providers so that we can say, hey, this is where we're at. Is this the best thing for her right now? Instead of just throwing another medication at someone, you know? And so it is an investment because it is more time and energy spent digging deep and drilling into those fine details.
And I think details matter. If you're just seeing somebody once a month and you're leaving with a whole new supplement, fan bag, you know, whatever wagon full. I always say like, show me your supplement graveyard when you come in, because I'm like, I know you got a graveyard there of all these things that you have tried or DIY or were told to take and it didn't work. so, yeah, they serve a purpose and a time and a place. But if you don't have a strategic plan that includes the foundations. You will relapse. You might feel better when you're on the supplements.
If you're lucky, but like you said, I agree with Josh, you're gonna relapse because you never addressed why it's happening in the first place.
Josh Dech (57:07.854)Love that in life hack for you guys utilize chat GPT. Like here's where I live. Here's my address Is there anything in the literature functional medicine? anything I should be aware of from the EWG or other websites about my local area concerning food air or water and Right off the hop it'll scan the entire internet and tell you what you need to know So get comfortable with that as a tool But I know we're wrapping up here Liz balls back in your court any famous last words or anything that you'd like to leave the guests with before we tell them how to reach you
Liz Roman (57:37.211)if you're not pooping, you're not detoxing.
Josh Dech (57:39.48)Love that. Put that on a t-shirt.
Liz Roman (57:42.833)I need to make multiple t-shirts and I need a big poop queen sign that's like, I don't know, one of those emojis that's pink and neon or something.
Josh Dech (57:49.836)Yes, like a big neon poop emoji with like a tiara and a wand. I'm picturing the good witch of the East, but like poop. Yeah. Well, Liz, the poop queen. Thank you so much for your time and expertise. It's always great when we connect. I think you're just brilliant. You keep doing what you're doing. You're gonna put me out of business. I think you're doing amazing things in the gut space. Where can we find you? Where can we reach you?
Liz Roman (57:57.733)Yeah.
Liz Roman (58:13.841)Yeah, Instagram is my main channel at the poop queen. Very simple. I'm there in my DMS. If you need something, feel free to reach out. Otherwise, our website is fit mom.co and then I have a podcast of my own, which Josh was just on as well. And that is the health revival show.
Josh Dech (58:29.922)I'm gonna put all those links down in the show notes for you guys definitely check out Liz and all the stuff she's doing at the poop Queen absolutely brilliant, it's having worked with so many practitioners and bringing on new practitioners and Meeting people in industry It is so rare to find somebody who is that high of a caliber where I'm like I like them and refer to them and you are one of those people is so Thank you for doing what you do for being as good and diligent as you are. There's amazing things coming out of you still and
I didn't mean that in the poop sense, but I your career. But I do look forward to seeing more of you in the future. Next time we cross paths at another book launch party, I'll make sure we say hi.

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Liz Roman (59:09.873)Yes. Awesome. Thank you so much.
Josh Dech (59:12.12)Thanks Liz.

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