In this episode, I sit down with Richmond Heath, a pioneer in somatic stress recovery and founder of TRE Australia. Together, they unpack the power of Tension & Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE)—a simple yet profound method that uses your body’s innate shaking reflex to discharge built-up stress and restore nervous-system regulation.
Richmond shares his unexpected journey from physiotherapy and mental-health work to discovering spontaneous movement during a meditation retreat—an experience that transformed his understanding of healing and resilience.
You’ll learn:
What TRE is and how it differs from traditional stress-reduction methods
Why shaking is your body’s built-in reset button for anxiety and tension
How spontaneous movement can support emotional balance, even without mental effort
Practical ways to begin connecting with your own tremor reflex safely
If you’ve ever felt like you’re doing all the right things but still carrying hidden tension, this conversation offers a completely different doorway to peace—one that starts in the body, not the mind.
Listen now to discover how to let your body lead the way back to calm—and stay tuned for Part 2, where we explore what safety and healing truly feel like inside the body.
Connect with Richmond:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/richmond-heath-08719326/
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Welcome to Rewiring Health. If you're a high achieving woman
feeling trapped in the endless cycle of guilt and exhaustion
from always putting others first, then this is your
sanctuary. I'm Doctor Kelly Kessler, your
dedicated empowerment mentor, and I'm here to tell you that
it's time to reclaim your peace,health, and happiness.
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Imagine waking up every day feeling energized and
unapologetically living for yourself.
Together, we'll break down the walls that have been holding you
back and unlock the vibrant, unstoppable force that you truly
are. It's time to put yourself first,
embrace your authentic self, andlive a life that's not just
endured, but celebrated. Now, let's dive in.
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description for the podcast. What if your body already knows
how to heal without having to think about it?
We spend so much energy managingstress from the neck up, but in
this episode, we're flipping thescript.
Richmond Heath, founder of Tre Australia, reveals how the
body's natural tremor reflex, the same one we've been taught
to suppress, can actually release deep tension, calm your
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nervous system and reset the sense of safety from the inside
out. If you've ever felt like no
amount of meditation, journaling, or positive thinking
can quiet the overwhelm, this conversation might be the
missing piece. This is a 2 part episode and in
today's episode you're going to learn about patterns of
exhaustion. You're going to learn about Tre
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tension patterning, and how shaking can help you release
them. You're also going to learn about
how to take the first step to start releasing traumatic
patterns within your body and allow yourself to navigate life
with greater ease and greater freedom.
All right, well, welcome back tothe podcast.
I'm so honored to have Richmond Heath on the podcast today.
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So thank you so much for being here.
Thanks, Kelly, It's a pleasure to be on.
Yeah, I am looking forward to this.
We're just chatting a little bitand there's gonna be so many
things that come through for thelisteners and anyone who's
listening right now. But what I want to start with,
because I always love how people's journeys evolved.
But do you mind sharing your back story?
What led you to the people you serve and what you do today?
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Yeah, so my back story is very similar to yours, Kelly, where
in my late 20s or my 20s and 30s, my body was basically just
grinding down. I'd always use sport and
exercise as a way of maintainingmy well-being and my mental
health. And I got to the point where I
had chronic Achilles tendonitis,so I couldn't run, couldn't even
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swim and kick my feet anymore. I had chronic shoulder
impingement, so I couldn't lift my arms above my shoulder, so I
couldn't go to the gym and do all that sort of stuff.
And then I also had two really significant periods of low back
pain where I'd sort of hurt my back.
Many years later, I only discovered they were both within
six weeks of breaking up with myfirst two, you know, really
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serious, true love girlfriends. But I had no idea of that.
And as a physiotherapist, the model I'd always receive was,
look, this is just mechanical. It's, you know, your muscles are
weak, they're tight and all thatsort of thing.
And one of my brothers sent me off to a the passionate 10 day
silent meditation course where basically all you really do is
you just constantly meditate into the feelings in your body.
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And I did a number of those courses.
And really what changed for me was that one of those courses,
my body started to spontaneouslymove, like started off just
rolling, sort of leaning forwards when I was sitting.
And I was thinking, that's weird, I'm not doing that.
And so I just observed it and then it was about to fall, fall
forwards and then it jolted and then it slowly started to move
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back. And I was like, hang on, this is
I'm not doing this. This is not me moving.
This is just happening. And so I snuck back into the
hall like one night on my own because you're not meant to move
in these meditations. And I just observed my body and
then my body started to move itself around.
And you know, over the course ofa couple of days of exploring
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this spontaneous movement, I didn't have any concept or
understanding about it. All I knew was my body was
moving. It felt fantastic.
After a couple of days, I was able to do a one handed
handstand and and press my body weight up and down.
So everything I've learned aboutchronic pain and about muscular
strength in my physical therapy degree, it all went out the
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window. I didn't have any frameworks.
So, you know, my back pain was so bad that there were times
where I couldn't go up and down stairs because of the weakness
in my leg. I had chronic pain, you know,
waking me up at night constantly.
So the biggest change for me wasmany years later, then I got
introduced to Tre and someone gave me a DVD.
They said check this out, do these exercises.
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I did these exercises, had this tiny little vibration in my
legs. I didn't think much about it.
And then I went to bed. The next morning when I woke up,
I was like, Oh my God, what's just happened?
I slept like a log. I hadn't slept like that for 30
years. And I'd always, when I'd sit
down in the mornings, I'd often have my heels off the ground.
It's like, you know, people withchronic tension in their calves,
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kids with autism will often havethat tension pattern.
And I'd had that chronic Achilles stuff for years.
And I'll never forget sitting onthe toilet and just thinking,
oh, my God, what's happened? Because it felt like my heels
felt like they were a foot through the bottom of the floor.
So all that tension and pain in my calves are just completely
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let go in a way that no other form of bodywork or exercise or
Pilates or stretching or massageor foam rolling, nothing it ever
touched. And so that was the key moment
for me where all of a sudden I had this way of finding relief
in my body which I'd never foundbefore.
And at that point I had no understanding about what it was
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or could explain it, or had a notrauma informed net sort of
model for it. I just knew that it was working.
It was doing something really profound.
And so I I really went from there.
Yeah, thanks so much for sharing.
Because it's like those experiences are so
transformational when you have this one way of looking at life
and looking at your body and have this lens, especially when
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you're trained as a physiotherapist, like you have
that one lens that you have and then you have this
transformational experience and you'd like, it's like everything
changes. And I, I had very similar
experience, like live with chronic back pain for years and
like did all the things and it was like frustrating because you
know, you know the body, you know all the things to do and
you're like, this is not like working long term.
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It's, it's amazing to understandlike there's so much more to
this. And then to have that experience
that you had, it's profound. Yeah, absolutely.
It was a major paradigm shift for me because as you say, in my
physiotherapy degree, it was like, oh, it's all just tight
muscles and that, but it was never explained to me, well, why
are these muscles tight? What's underlying these chronic
patterns of stress and and tension?
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And that was a key part of the journey for me was getting this
trauma informed model about where was this tension and pain
and stress. And you know, I never realised
for most of my life I'd live with high functioning anxiety.
So on the outside I was functioning, but on the inside I
was, you know, burning out. I was like, I was struggling to
keep up. And that was really in my 30s,
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you know, I had a partner, I hada young child.
And it was the stresses of trying to keep up that really
got me to the point where I was,I was breaking down.
And one of the key elements was because I felt so bad, so
exhausted, so low energy, so much pain, so much attention.
I didn't have any really healthyways of managing that.
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You know, I could eat and distract myself.
I used to use exercise to feel good, but that was limited.
And it caught up with me and I couldn't keep doing it.
And that's why finding this innate pathway in my body that
was able to release the stress and tension on its own without
me having to do anything with such a major relief because I
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finally had something that was ahealthy way and an internal
resource that was freely available.
And the great thing for me was Ididn't have to do it like I'd
spent my whole life thinking. And I'd been trained that way.
It's like it's my responsibilityto fix this and make myself
better. I mean, that's people come to
see me as a physiotherapist because I'm going to fix it.
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So I've done the same thing. The problem was me, it was that
I wasn't doing enough. I wasn't meditating enough.
I wasn't doing enough breath where I wasn't eating, I wasn't.
So it was always this pressure of like, I have to fix this and
it just didn't work. And there was a huge amount of
relief when, you know, at that very first meditation course
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where this sense when, when I got out of the way and I didn't
try to do anything and I let my body lead my process, there was
just this immense relief of like, Oh my God, my body can
actually unwind this pattern in a way that I can never do.
So it took this burden that it'sall my fault and I have to find
the answers. They were already, you know, we
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talk about sort of already beinginside us, but it wasn't a
metaphor. It was literally that this
spontaneous movement reflex was,is and was the pathway to
releasing all those patterns. Yeah, it's, it's amazing.
Like when we clench and we try to control everything, it's like
our fists are so tightly clenched that we can't receive
anything in that position. And it's like a lot of that has
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to do with safety, with in placeof safety to able to receive
things and allow things to bubble up to the surface.
Do you think that played a role like where that came through in
that 10 day meditation, that your body finally felt safe to
express it? Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, when I first started doing Tre, I'll never
forget this experience. So I'd been learning about this
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trauma in full model. Like why?
You know, why is my body not feeling safe?
And of course, it's not conscious because I'm in a room
with my family and that, but I'll never forget.
I was at a workshop. It must have been three or four
months after I'd started doing this Tre practice and regular
tremoring. My body was starting to let go
and calm down. And I was standing in front of
someone just talking. Maybe it was at a lunch break or
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something, I can't remember. And I was talking to them and I
remember feeling that I felt a bit tense.
I didn't really know why. So I deliberately took a deep
breath and sort of tried to relax myself.
And I literally, Kelly, in that moment, turned sideways and
went, holy shit. And the reason I did it was
because in that moment, my pelvic floor let go and relaxed.
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It felt like my bum had sort of hit the floor.
Now, prior to doing this work with Tre, I'd been teaching
Pilates full time. So I had done a million pelvic
floor contractions. I was teaching people about
their pelvic floor, and I did that.
But in this moment, what I discovered was that my pelvic
floor had been squeezed on for my entire life and I didn't even
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know about it. I didn't know I had anxiety.
I didn't know I had high functioning anxiety.
All I knew was I had sacroiliac joint problems and chronic cytic
nerve pain and that it was a mechanical, mechanical thing.
And so that was really like this, the start of this journey
of recognizing and, and importantly for me that it's the
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chronic tension that I don't know about that's having such a
significant impact. So, you know, people who are
listening to this now we can be sitting here going, no, I
haven't got any pain. I haven't got any tension.
I feel quite feel good. But just like the classic
iceberg story, 90% of the tension patterns are outside our
conscious awareness, but they are what is driving that sense
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of whether our nervous system feels safe or whether we don't
and how our body tension levels are.
And that is ultimately, you know, hugely driving our
behaviour and our experience of,of life.
So for me, that's that that sense of the iceberg that most
of the tension in our system, you know, estimates are that we
only have access to 5 or 10% of our neuromuscular system.
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It's that unconscious tension which is generally driving our
patterns and our behaviour and our experiences of life.
And it's why no matter what we do consciously and cognitively,
so often it doesn't seem to work, is because like me, I had
no idea that my pelvic floor wassqueezed on.
And even, you know, people listening now, it's like, we can
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be feeling OK, but if we get a massage therapist to come and
put a trigger point in our shoulders or our glutes or our
stomach or our diaphragm, we'll be like, Oh my God, there's all
this tension there, but we don'teven know it's there having an
impact. And again, This is why working
with the body's own way of unwinding that tension pattern
below our conscious awareness isso significant, because it's
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something that we can't do cognitively.
Mm hmm. Absolutely.
It's amazing how we just accumulate that tension
throughout our lives and that's why it just becomes normalized.
Like doesn't everybody feel likethis?
Don't does everyone have their shoulders up by their ears?
Like I've lived with this for years and it's like a term I
came across when I was just starting this and like really my
own journey was like somatic motor amnesia and where you
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just, your body doesn't realize,you know, just as you're
speaking about like it doesn't realize the tension that's there
because it is under the level ofconsciousness.
And it's, it's so profound that,you know, that's all going on
below the surface. And we're wondering why we're
experiencing what we're experiencing when that's what is
happening. Yeah, that, that's right.
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And I sometimes like to joke with people and I say, OK, just
take a moment. Feel into your body.
Now, I want you to relax an areaof your body that you can't
feel. I want you to find some tension
in your body that you're not connected to, and I want you to
relax it. Well, of course, the point of
that is going, we can't consciously relax something if
we're not connected to it. And that's that sense is
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whenever we've got this chronic muscular tension that we often
don't feel until we're stretching or someone's
massaging us and we're feeling into it.
That is basically what's the foundation for the state of our
nervous system. But we're generally only aware
how, how am I feeling today, psycho?
Emotionally or consciously, I'm feeling OK.
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Emotionally, I'm feeling OK, butthose patterns that are deeper
in our Organism, in the nervous system, in the neuromuscular
system, generally, that's what'sdriving our, you know, our
experience and the common pattern around exhaustion, You
know, the exhaustion is being generated by the nervous system.
It's a survival response. Shut down, protect energy, it's
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over. Things are overwhelming.
It's too much. So the body's generating a state
of low energy. But of course, because that's
happening, you know, subcortically we might say,
which means below the prefrontalcortex, it's not part of our
cognitive, part of our brain deep in the brain stem.
We don't necessarily have easy access to it.
And even if we do do things to mobilize our energy and generate
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our energy, if that pattern is not changing at the organic
nervous system level, then all of those efforts are only of a
temporary short term fixes. And eventually while we get
excited about, oh, I've been doing this breath work course
and I'm really pumped up and after four it's feeling great.
And then after four months we'reexhausted again, or I've started
meditating. And that when the patterns don't
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change in the organisms, so thatorganically our body is
generating the energy, then eventually, you know, those
things catch up with us and we find, oh, here's another thing
that I've tried that just hasn't, hasn't worked.
Now, let me be really clear. I'm not saying that all those
practices are not useful and valuable.
They absolutely are. But for everything we can
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consciously control, then all our consciously directed
practices, which is 95% of our well-being practices are going
to be useful. But for everything that's in the
unconscious that we don't have that that direct cognitive
access to, then that's where this tremoring reflex or the
spontaneous movement reflex is so profound.
By adding that together, it's going to give you greater access
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to have more effect with the, you know, the cognitively
directed techniques like meditation and exercise and
breath work and everything else we do consciously.
Yeah, absolutely. It's like our patterns are
almost like the thermostat, likewe can increase the heat
manually, but it's going to comeback down to that level of what
the patterns are. So it's, you know, those
practices will help temporarily,but then again, it's going to
settle itself back down to whatever it's set at.
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And that's, it's so profound. I would love to get, you know,
have you talk about Tre and whatare what does that look like,
you know, for someone who's not aware of it, you know, say what
Tre is and how do you start to integrate that into your
routine? Yeah, so Tre just originally
just stood for tension and trauma release exercises.
And in a nutshell, what it involves is deliberately
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invoking spontaneous shaking andtrembling and sometimes
pandiculation, which is like fascial stretches or your body
moving through space like a yawn.
And the the thing that's so wonderful about it is that we
all experience this spontaneous shaking and trembling.
It's part of our life. So for example, as a young
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child, you might be at school and you have to read a poem and
your little hands are shaking. Now we just go, oh, that's
stress and anxiety. Maybe you've come across or
you've had a traumatic event or a car accident, or you come
across someone who's shaking on the side of the road.
We've all been told that's shock.
You've got to put a blanket on and warm them up and stop that.
And commonly, you know, for women, the vast majority of
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women will have some kind of experience of spontaneous
shaking and trembling during or after birth.
And generally, if you're lucky, they'll say, oh, that just
happens. We don't really know why, but
people sometimes get medicated or held down to try and prevent
it. So in our Western society, we
have misunderstood and pathologized that, you know,
when we're shaking and trembling, as long as we haven't
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got a neurological disorder likeParkinson's or epilepsy or
something, but separate to that,that we think that when you're
shaking, that means I'm scared and that I'm anxious or that I'm
in shock. And the simple reframe is that
shaking is not part of our stress or trauma response.
I think about this, if I'm standing at the front of a, you
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know, a room full of people and I'm speaking and my hands are
shaking, is that helping my bodyto fight or to flee?
It's obviously not. And is it helping my body to
freeze and immobilize and and prevent me?
It's not the shaking in the trembling is the way the body
recovers literally when we have that surge of adrenaline or our
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muscles are all sort of tense and tight in the freeze
response. The shaking is the way the body
uses the adrenaline. So adrenaline doesn't make a
shake. You know, people do a base jump
or whatever and they're like Oh my God, or a bungee jump and
they're like, oh, I'm shaking because of the adrenaline.
The adrenaline is not there to make you shake.
The adrenaline there is to give you the energy to have a
behavioural fight flight response.
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The shaking is the most efficient way for our mammalian
organized, you know, because we're all mammals and mammals
have this response. It's evolved, you know, over
millions of years. The shaking is the most energy
and Safeway for the body to use up that adrenaline.
So the shaking is a recovery response.
It's a way that the muscular system releases that chronic
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tension and bracing that we have.
You know, at the end of the day,you come home from work, the
shoulders are all tight. Now, that's not a conscious
process. None of us are squeezing our
shoulders or tightening up our piriformis or our glutes or
sucking in our digestive system.None of that is happening
consciously. And the beautiful magic here is
that the human Organism has evolved.
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With a similar and completely unconscious, automatic,
spontaneous way of coming out ofthose stress and trauma
responses. And that's the shaking and the
the trembling. It's just that in Western
culture we've learnt to suppressit.
You know, for your listeners who've got kids, you'll start
seeing this in kids books everywhere.
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Like the ugly duckling was trembling with fear.
So we've all just associated with shaking is a sign of
anxiety. Shut it down, lock we're out of
control. And so simply reframing this is
a huge paradigm shift for people.
The classic example is, you know, someone says, Oh my God,
I'm starting to have a panic attack.
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My hands are shaking. We think that the shaking is
part of the panic, but the shaking is the discharge of the
panic. And once people understand that
and get that, they'll often findpanic attacks fall away.
It doesn't mean that they don't have a response and their body
starts to tremble, but they'll be like, wow, oh, this is
calming me down. Let's let this happen more fully
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and more freely. And it breaks that cycle because
we're thinking the shaking is the panic.
I've got to lock it down. So with Tre, we just use simple
exercises, like the most simple thing, lying on your back,
lifting your knees up and holding your legs to connect to
the shaking in the same way thatanyone has ever done yoga or
you've been to the gym and you hold a muscle in a certain
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position and your muscles start to shake.
So we use this muscle effort to deliberately invoke the shaking,
and it tends to start off as a little shake or a vibration or
as a wobble, but then the body will start to generate movement
wherever it needs to. So someone might find their
hands start to shake, someone else's eyelids might to flicker,
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someone else's hips might start to rotate, someone else's ankle
might start to, you know, wobbleand vibrate.
And so by doing that and then teaching people, hey, even
though you're letting this movement happen, you can take
conscious control of it and stopit whenever you want.
So people learn to self regulateit.
So they go, hey, I'm not out of control.
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I'm surrendering and letting go.I can let my body move, I can
let it shake and tremble. But as soon as I don't want it
to, then I just, I just take conscious control.
And so with that empowering skill of self regulating it,
then people go, hey, I can learnhow to let go and surrender and
let my body shake and move and release tension and literally,
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you know, shake us back to life.Yeah, it's so empowering because
just having that knowledge of like this is my body's natural
process. It takes that fear response out
of, of people like, Oh my gosh, I need to stop because or
something bad's going to happen.Or like it's just knowing that
like your body is innately able to discharge.
That is so empowering when you're going through something
like that. And it's like you look at the
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animal Kingdom, you see like a lion chasing its prey and then
the animal gets away. And then the first thing it does
is like shake it off. Like you can see it, you know,
dogs do it all the time. It's like amazing that you can
see this in so many realms. But for humans, we've thought
that that is part of, like, something that shouldn't be
happening or is just contributing to the fear
response. So, yeah, yeah.
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That's right. I liken it Kelly to the shaking
and the, and the spontaneous movement.
And we use the term neurogenic in tear.
It just means that the, the nervous system is generating
the, the the movements. It's not just because of muscle
fatigue and I'm not, it's different from if I consciously
shake my body, that's useful. But this is something other
where the body is generating themovement.
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And I liken it to being the, youknow, it's an emergency exit out
of your room. And the thing in our culture is
when we suppress and contain that from a, from a very young
age, you know what, if anyone's got dogs, you see them shaking
all the time. And as soon as they do that
shake, it changes the direction that their heart rate is going
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and it's heading up and they're getting stressed.
As soon as they do that little 2second shake, their heart rate
changes direction and they startto calm down.
But as a culture in the West, we've completely pathologized
it. So it's like we've locked the
emergency exit. So, you know, in my example, I'm
going, I've got all this tensionand all, which, you know, ends
up becoming chronic pain. How do I get rid of it?
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I'm trying to get rid of it fromthe outside.
I'm trying to numb it out. I'm trying to eat and trying to
distract myself. I'm trying to do exercise.
And exercise is useful, but it has a limit because I can only
exercise to the level of that mycognitive mind will allow me.
And so this is where when we've locked and, and bolted closed
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the emergency exit, it's like that stress and tension can't
get out of us. And so no matter what we do, it
eventually catches up with us. And the, and the beautiful thing
is, and This is why I love this work so much is because it's
about empowering people instead of saying, Hey, you know, you
need to come and see me every week for a massage and I'll fix
up your neck pain and I'll, you know, it's going, hey, once you
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learn how to access this, this reflex or shaking or trembling
response, you've got it for the rest of your life.
It's your birthright to know this.
And this is how you access it. This is how you regulate it.
And then basically, I sometimes say, people say, now just go
away. Keep using it for the rest of
your life. Get in touch with me if you have
any problems using it. But every time we let the body
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move itself, it literally just peels away another layer of the
onion. So what excites me, and I know
in your podcast you talk a lot about progress because when
we're really struggling, we're all looking for the silver
bullet. We're like, Oh my God, I did
this thing and everything is perfect.
And I haven't had to change. I haven't had to change the way
I live or think or move or deal with my emotions, anything like
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that. But what I'm really passionate
about, Kelly, is, is the direction that this shaking
response moves us in. So when I run classes, rather
than saying, right, OK, who's magically had their pain
disappear or, and and that happens, you know, people go, Oh
my God, I had this pain and it'sgone.
But what I'm more interested in is I'll say, right, what
direction has this little minute, this 20 or 30 minutes of
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shaking moved your system in? And people will go, oh, I feel
more calm. I feel more relaxed.
I've got more energy, I feel more alive.
I'm more connected to my body. So I'm like, great.
Now, if 20 or 30 minutes of thathas given you that response,
every time you do it and you useit, it's going to unwind you
further and further. So people who have been using
this, you know, it becomes a lifelong I, I, I don't like to
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use the word practice because itjust happens so easily.
It's not something you have to do.
You don't have to make it happen.
You just let it happen. You can be lying in bed before
you go to sleep. But what's exciting is that
every time we use it, we unwind,knowing that in five years
there's going to be more freedomand more new freedom because the
Organism naturally, you know, has a desire and a night impulse
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in it to make itself as relaxed and efficient and as functional
and as healthy as possible. So when we, it's like, you know,
step into the current of it, thebody is going to just keep
leading this journey where we weget more connected to ourselves,
more alive, more embodied, more authentic, more expressive, and
we're able to feel more pleasureand more joy in life, not just
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get rid of our stress and tension.
Yeah, I love that. I love how you use the example
of that, like emergency door is shut because it's so like I talk
about that too, like, you know, in a different way.
But like when the door is shut and you just see like a tiny
crack, you're like, Oh my gosh, there's light.
There's light coming in. Then like you want to lean into
that more. So it's not something like, oh,
at 5:00 I got to do this. It's like something that you're
like, Oh my gosh, I feel a little bit better.
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I want this in my life. Like, this is something that you
almost like, feel like you're coming home to yourself when
you're doing practices like thatthat are taking off all the gunk
that you've accumulated through your life.
Yeah, yeah, that, that's right. And I always love to say, you
know, when we most need self-care is when we're least
likely or able to do it. So when we're most exhausted,
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people are well, you just need to go to the gym.
I'm like, Oh my God, I can't getwell.
Like when your mind is racing, you're like, well, you just need
to meditate. I'm like, can't meditate, my
mind's racing. And so most of that's why I
don't like to call it a practice.
There's a fancy term auto italic, which means that a
process is innately enjoyable. So this is where once we invoke
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the shaking or the trembling or the OR the Pandit spontaneous
pandiculation response, the beauty about this process is we
don't have to do it. So it doesn't take mental
effort. So I don't have to focus my
mind. It doesn't take physical effort
because I don't have to use my will force to push myself harder
and do all that sort of stuff. And it generally feels very
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pleasurable. So what happens is rather than
going, oh, OK, look, I'm alreadyexhausted, I'm already stressed,
I'm already burnt out. My life is already full.
You know, I've got the kids, I've got my work, I've got all
this stuff. Hey, all you need is an extra 30
minutes of your day to do this wonderful practice.
People are like, I'm already full.
I haven't got time. Whereas when we say, hey, look,
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when you fall asleep at night, do you fall instantly asleep?
And if you don't just bring yourlegs up, legs up and, and let
your body tremble in bed. Or if you wake up in the night
or if you've finished yoga, you know, just do 5-10 minutes of
the shaking because the body is able to release stress and
tension in a way that we can't do consciously.
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So it doesn't take much time, itdoesn't take effort.
So once we get access to the process and, and I'm innately
quite a lazy person, this is thething I love about it.
I don't have to drive it. It's not like I have to push
myself to do the exercise or keep going.
My body just moves itself and I'm literally just like, hey,
I'm, I'm, I'm just chilling out.I can be lying there watching TV
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or having a conversation. So it's something that's super
easy to build into our day. And when we're most fatigued,
when we're most stressed and we're least likely to use
self-care, all we're really saying people is, hey, are you
able to let go? And of course, most of us can't
let go because we're so bound uptight.
But we're going. I'm not saying, hey, can you,
you know, go and drive this, make this happen and find more
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willpower. When you don't have willpower,
it's like, can you just let go of your willpower and just lie
there and do nothing and let your body move?
It's like, yeah, I can do that. And that's why it's so
significantly different to most of the other practices that we
use, which require our time, ourenergy and our mental focus and
our will force to try and make them happen.
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Yeah, which is is you're complaining right on.
It's like exhausting. Like I can't do anymore anymore.
I don't worry more today. And it's like, you know, it
becomes, I find a lot of times, especially, you know, women that
listen to my podcast are like the high achievers.
They just want to check something off their list.
Like I did it, you know, but they're not really embodying it.
So that's what I love about thattoo.
It's like it's not about checking some things off your
list. It's about being just present
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with yourself and allowing yourself to let your body do its
magic and and allow it to move back into its state of like
innate healing that it was always designed to go back to.
So I love that. Yeah.
And then look, another area that's that's relevant is when
we think about spontaneous movement during orgasm.
And I always like to raise this because people are like, oh,
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it's tension and trauma release.It's all about trauma.
And it's not that at all. We don't need to go into the
story necessarily. We're just letting the body move
itself back to life. And anyone who's ever felt their
body spontaneously move and tremble and shake and vibrate
and move around during an orgasmis like, this stuff feels good.
And so this is part of the beauty of it is that when the
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body starts to move and it releases and it relaxes, it
feels fantastic. So instead of it being going, Oh
my God, I've got to go and stretch and I don't like the
pain and how that feels and I'vegot to do that run and it's time
you actually do. I want to lie down and basically
have a kind of almost a form of it's not an orgasm per se, but
you know, this sense of my body is going to start to move and
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shake and release itself and it's going to feel pleasurable.
Be like, of course, how much time and how much energy is it
going to take? None.
Your body generates it yourself and you can, as I say, you can
do it literally anywhere. You know, people do it in bed.
A lot of people use it to help them go to sleep.
They tremor, they cut their nervous system calms down.
Then they're like, oh, feel peaceful.
They roll over and not sleep. Other people use it, you know,
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in the toilet, like you don't have to be lying down.
You could be standing up. You can use it in any different
position. You know, at lunch, they're
exhausted or something's happened.
They've had a client that's overwhelming or you know, when I
grew up, we had, when my kids grew up, I should say, when we
were little, we had a process that I called a shuggle, which
is a combination of a shake, a cuddle and a hug where the kids
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would come and lie on my body. And there's beautiful videos of
mums and dads with young babies or young kids sleeping on their
belly while they're lying in theback and they're shaking and
trembling. So it's just such a simple thing
that we can build into the into our lives.
And because it feels so good, it's something that we're like,
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hey, this is not an effort. This is simple.
I don't have those. I haven't got time and energy to
do another thing and tick another thing off.
This is something where I can learn to let go and relax and
let the body lead me. Yeah, I love how you talking to
give the example of the the momsand dads and their babies
because again, the nervous systems Co regulate and what a
beautiful gift that you are in amore regulated state and now you
can share that with your child and do these practices together.
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Because I think that's another thing people often feel that
guilt of Like I can't take care of myself.
But if you can incorporate thosepractices into your family and
realize that you're giving your child a gift by allowing them to
feel free to experience that, that's amazing.
Yeah, and and in lots of cultures where shaking and
trembling is just the normal part of the, the culture.
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Like, you know, let's go back toanimals, dogs are going to do it
all the time. That's just part of how that how
they are. One of the the classic examples
in in indigenous traditions is the Kalahari Bushmen.
So I don't know if you, if you people have seen the film the
Gods Must be crazy. So the sun people from Africa
and part of their cultural identity is they call themselves
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the keepers of the Sheikh. And so they deliberately get up
in the middle of the night. They do, you know, have a
regular ceremony where they willgo into this spontaneous shaking
and trembling response. Now they will talk about it as
being connecting to the spirit and this healing power and
whatever, not necessarily about releasing trauma, but it's just
built into their culture. You know, Swahili, traditional
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Swahili midwives after a woman gives birth and she'll give
birth standing up with people holding her up on either side.
They deliberately keep that woman standing up after birth to
invoke the shaking and tremblingresponse.
And they won't let her lie down until it comes to its own
natural completion, like a discharge.
It could be 20 minutes, could be30 minutes because they know if
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they let that woman lie down andthe shaking doesn't discharge
and release all of the, the stress and trauma from the
birth, they basically just say that woman's going to have
problems after birth. And then another one that I, you
know, particularly love is the ancient samurai warriors had a
practice called Saiki Jutsu, which basically was like life
force yoga where they would meditate and their body would
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start to spontaneously shake, tremble, but primarily move and,
and spontaneously pandiculate. And that was part of their
secret practice that helped thembe, you know, lethal Warriors 1
moment and then super chilled out Zen Masters the next because
they had access to this magic little ingredient, which was
something outside their conscious control that general,
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you know, generally others were not using.
So this is where once, once it becomes once we reframe it and
we're going right. Oh, wow, that person is shaking
and trembling. Oh, they're calming down.
We will start to see it everywhere in our, in our life.
You know, even kids at Christmas, there's too much
charge in their nervous system. They can't sit still.
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Or we start to tremble and shakewith anger.
Or we see someone public speaking.
So when we reframe it or we see,you know, our teenagers are
sitting there and their feet aretapping up and down on the
floor, what do we all do? Oh, stop that.
Or someone's fidgeting. We start to reframe it like, oh,
wow, the body is trying to calm itself down.
How can we actually support and enhance that and do that more
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effectively? Let's deliberately invoke that,
that response and that reflex. So then it becomes a self
source, you know, self sourcing pudding.
It's a forward feedback where every time we invoke it, the
body gets a bit more calm. As it gets a bit more calm, it
gets easier to invoke it. And then, you know, soon we know
it's just something that we naturally do on a regular basis
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because if we don't do it, we'relike, wow, I can feel all that
tension coming back inside me. So we're really just reinstating
a natural part of the human experience that in the West, not
in a lot of traditional cultures, but in the West, we've
all learned to suppress and holdand create tension, have a stiff
upper lip. You know, don't let people know
we're scared. Don't, don't be vulnerable.
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Don't let go. You know, our whole Western
culture is you're in control. The more you can control it,
it's up to you. You can achieve it, you can fix
it. And that works beautifully until
we hit to the point that's outside our control.
And that's where this spontaneous tremoring is just so
empowering. Yeah, absolutely.
And we got just like out here talking and like my, my son, I
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have a six year old son and a six and a 2 year old, but
they're like all over. I always move in like, you know,
fidgeting. And you know, my one thing that
like bothered me is like in school, like they have to sit
still on the carpet. And this was something I had
spoken to the teacher about. I was like, you know, he's he's
just moving. He was getting in trouble for
moving on the carpet. I'm like, well, he's six years
old, he's going to move. And and so is it that, you know,
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our society, like again, you're talking about the control, is
that where the inhibition is coming from that our our natural
tendencies are just getting so suppressed from all this that we
lose that connection? Yeah, that this is a beautiful
point because when we think about trauma, OK and it's
wonderful that the bodies becomemuch more integrated into the
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trauma world these days rather than just the old sort of mind,
you know, mental health versus physical health.
Yeah, but we often think about trauma and we're releasing
trauma. And when I first started Kelly,
I, I actually felt a bit jealousbecause all these people would
come to Tre that have these horrendous trauma stories.
And I used to just think, I don't have a trauma story like
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that. Oh, you know, I had pretty good
childhood. I shouldn't be like this.
I shouldn't be this stuffed up. I should be more functional.
I've had all this privilege. I've had all this stuff, and yet
I'm grinding down. So when we start to recognise,
you know, trauma effectively is an immobility response, you
know, when people are in fight or flight, our system is saying,
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hey, we've got the capacity to deal with this, let's take
action. Great, that works.
But when it becomes an immobility response is when the
body says we need to shut down and contain movement and do not
move in order to survive. So when we look at trauma as a
state of immobility, and that can either be through muscular
tension, which we all get that build up attention, or it can be
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a collapse where the body creates low energy.
You know, the classic thing of like a, we have the term playing
possum. Or if anyone's seen a mouse that
looks like it's dead and it's all floppy because a cat's
playing with it. The body in those states is
generating the low energy. So all we listeners who are
going, I'm exhausted, I've got burnout.
The nervous system is generatingthat as a way of protecting
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itself. The problems, not the tiredness,
the problems, not the exhaustion.
That's just a little, you know, light on the dashboard.
The, the issue is that the body is trying to protect itself by
immobilizing. Now the reason I'm saying that
was that through doing this workand understanding my own
patterns and my own high functioning anxiety.
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When I was at school, there was a, a, a young kid there who
these days we would say he has avery violent Asperger's.
Now we didn't have any of those diagnosis.
All I knew is when he was 6 foottall, he was twice as big as
everyone and at any moment he could explode and smash things
or punch people. So I would go to school and I, I
actually did get moved by my parents away from the school.
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There were lots of different reasons, but I never knew this
was part of the reason. So I'd go to school.
I'd be sitting, you know, in a classroom with this violent
individual. Nothing to do.
Not his fault. He couldn't help it.
My body wants to run away. I'm scared, but I can't run
away. I can't cry.
I can't sit there. And so my body has to contain
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that movement. And This is why often, you know,
kids come home from school at the end of the day.
They haven't been able to let their bodies regulate by
movement. And so then they're snappy or
they're grumpy or they're rude or they're stressed out or we've
got to eat ourselves to death because we need to calm down.
So when I look back at this fromthat state of what is trauma to
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our body, it's any time our bodyneeds to immobilize when it
wants to move. So your son's sitting on the,
you know, the floor. This is we wouldn't call that
traumatic. Of course, it's not life and
death trauma and you know, PTSD and that's very different.
But to his Organism, it's going,I need to move in order to calm
down. And then we just say sit still.
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And so immobility becomes something culturally trained,
you know, don't let the body move.
And so effectively, that is traumatic to our Physiology.
It's not trauma, you know, it's not like life and death.
But to our body and our neuromuscular system, we are
training it not to spontaneouslymove and express itself.
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And that's the same thing with our emotions.
You know, the, the key element of emotions is they are about
the movement of our structure. When we cry, our diaphragm
tremors and shakes up and down, our facial muscles wobble and
vibrate, our lips vibrate. So when we think about
containing emotions, what we're really containing is movement.
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That's what's being held in. And we train that out of
ourselves from a young age. And then we wonder why we get to
35. And I'm a bit numb and I can't
feel and I'm not feeling a lot of joy and I've got to force
myself to do all these things and, and life's starting to to
catch up with us. So this is where a much more
expanded or I use a movement based model of trauma is so
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important. Now, it's not to discount that
people have had life and breath trauma.
That's different in a way. And it's significant, you know,
because everyone's these days like we're all traumatized and
we are, but we're all carrying unresolved chronic tension,
which is effectively these immobility protective traumatic
patterns in the body, including that state of eventually the,
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you know, the the highest state of that shutdown response is
exhaustion. It's the same with depression.
We go depression. Oh, that's a, that's a problem
having low energy burnout. It's an issue of low energy.
All I'm going to tell you that'snot an issue of low energy.
The problem is that in the lead up to that, the nervous system
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is so highly activated and defended and it's not working
that the body goes into a shutdown and creates low energy.
So, yeah, this is where it's such a this whole bigger pattern
In our Western culture, we are basically trained out of this
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neurogenic spontaneous movement response.
We're trying not to move around when we want to run around.
We're full of energy and my bodywants to move and grow and
develop. We're trying not to cry, not to
laugh at inappropriate times, not to express.
And all these patterns start at a very young age.
So it becomes heavily ingrained.And we lose this connection with
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this shaking and trembling response so that when it does
erupt, we're like, Oh my God, that's a symptom of anxiety,
PTSD. I've got shock.
I've got something wrong with me.
Rather than going, hey, this is about being deeply connected to
the human Organism and how it naturally organizes and relaxes
itself. Yeah, absolutely.
I appreciate sharing that and just the spectrum of that
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because, you know, a lot of times you can look at that, you
know, like the example of my son, like, you know, that can
very much easily be overlooked and dismissed and be like, oh,
that's that's not no, nothing happened to me.
I don't understand why I feel this way.
But when you share about, you know, that and how it can be a
full spectrum and when we are not able to fully express
ourselves like that does build up.
And especially kids where you have the belief systems being
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developed at that time, that's huge and, and can really impact
them throughout their entire life.
So for someone who, you know, has maybe been shut down and is
in that very low energy state and now they are just wanting
something different and they're with Terry.
If they're so inhibited, inhibited and they're like
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natural movements, like, how does that person start to then
allow these movements to come freely through their body?
Yeah. So part of the beauty of the
process is that we bypass the thinking mind.
So we're just using muscle fatigue to bring the shaking on.
And what's important is recognizing that that pattern of
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holding and bracing, it's not a conscious pattern.
All right? If it was a conscious pattern,
all we would need to say to the listeners is, Hey, everybody,
just let it go, become enlightened and go on your way
and have a great life. So it's not a conscious pattern
and the chronic holding intention is similarly, it's not
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a conscious pattern, but the beautiful thing is in the
tremoring or the the Tre. And, and there's many different
modalities and, and practices around the world.
Tre is just a, a modern western,you know, trauma in form,
neuroscientific perspective and way of working with it.
So it's not the Tre is the thing.
It's this spontaneous movement Tre.
It's just one model or pathway, but when we access the
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spontaneous movement reflex that's being generated in the
same part of our nervous system,that's creating the tension.
So in in response to the question, the answer really is
you don't have to let it go. This is the whole problem.
You just, it's not up to you. You lie down, you let your body
let itself go. So we take ourselves out of it
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rather than I, how do I fix this?
How do I do this? You go, your body's got you,
your body's got your back, your body has got this.
It knows what it's doing. And one of the beautiful things
is because it's not then driven by the conscious mind in our
cortex, people will find that itcreates levels of relaxation and
freedom that we can't create consciously.
So it's really, you know, commonthat after a the very first time
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people experience the trembling,they'll get up and they'll say
something like, I feel like I'vebeen meditating for three hours.
We feel so relaxed. How did this happen?
Well, it's happening because we're not consciously creating
it. Our body has those, has the
capacity to generate and hold the tension.
It's all happening unconsciously.
If it's not just let it go and be enlightened, but it also
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contains the pathway to release that.
So because we're bypassing the thinking mind and we're
accessing the body's own abilityto let it go, the body has
infinitely more capacity to let go of the stress and the tension
in those patterns than we have at a cognitive level.
And this is a significant point.I know for your listeners,
Kelly, that, you know, self sabotage and people pleasing and
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all that sort of stuff is a hugeissue.
And what's important to recognize again, is if that
pattern was a cognitive pattern,then all you'd need is a little
bit of information, make some different choices, and you'd all
be fixed. But those patterns happen from a
very, very young age, generally from a precognitive age.
So we're not going to have wordsor story there in our system.
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And so this is where getting access to the part of our system
that's generating those patterns.
It's like, you know, getting thekey to the cell that we're
locked in that we can't ever seem to get out of because our
Organism, our body has the capacity to unwind these
processes because it's in that exact same part of our Organism,
in our body that's generating them in the first place.
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Yeah. And it's just like that wisdom
of our body. It's, it's there and everything,
everything is stored there untilwe allow it to be released.
And it's it's so profound for someone who's listening and
they're like, OK, how do I start?
Like what is the first step thatthat person could take today
just to start to integrate something different into their
life? So look, pre COVID, this is one
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of the positive things that cameout of COVID.
Pre COVID, people would always learn Tre either in a workshop
or with a Tre provider. And they're in around 80
countries around the world and you can find them at Tre Global
or traumaprevention.com or treglobal.com.
But during the pandemic, of course, we couldn't work face to
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face and we couldn't travel. So we started doing it online
and it works really well throughtelehealth, you know, like any
other telehealth thing. But when I was, well, I was in
Melbourne. All right now Melbourne was the
most locked down city in the entire world.
We had the longest lockdowns forthe most and the most
significant. You know, you had a one
kilometre radius you could walk in for like 30 minutes a day.
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Luckily, you know, very privileged.
Our government also had supportive measures for people
who'd lost their income and you know, sort of we would call it
the dole or job start payments or new start or supportive
payments. So I lost all my income, I
couldn't work and but I was getting government benefits in
order to survive. I was very keen to try and do
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something that and not just livebecause my partner who was also
a physiotherapist, she was an essential worker, she was
working at nursing homes, she was working her guts out 10
times harder, putting all the, you know, the PPP on and off.
I was getting more money than her by doing nothing where she's
working her guts out to keep. So I was like, I can't just do
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nothing and have a good time andhave a holiday.
And so I created an online Tre course.
Now, this was the first time it had been taught like this in the
world. And those people like, oh, it's
not going to be safe. And you need someone there to
hold their hand and make sure they're OK and all that sort of
thing. So since that time, it was
initially free to help people through the pandemic.
There's been more than 14,000 people have done this online
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course, you know, filmed on my iPhone.
It's not fancy. It's, it's, but it's fantastic
material. It's got, you know, a framing.
It talks about polyvagal theory and understanding the nervous
system and how the tremors fit in.
But then it has three guided sessions.
So the vast majority of people can learn this technique just
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through an online course for less than the cost of a, a
single therapy session. And again, the whole point of it
is that it's not about going, oh, you need to keep seeing me.
It's like once you learn how to use it, how to regulate it, then
you've got it for life. So that course is at
trecourse.com. It's also got a A3 tiered
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payment system. So people pay a price based on
their income because there's people from countries all around
the world and you know, 50 Australian dollars might be
nothing in Australia, but in Somalia that might be like 3
months wages. And so people get to choose
that. And if there are people who are
in financial difficulty, you know, if you've been through a
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wildfire and you've lost everything, you can also apply
to get free access. So vast majority of people I
tend to these days refer them tothat course because you'll get a
lot more understanding and background.
You'll get 3 guided sessions andit's much more cost effective
than than, you know, finding me and doing a session with me.
But if you are someone who's gota background of, you know,
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extreme trauma or it sounds scary, you're like, oh, I'm not
sure about this or I'm uncertain.
The course has a screening tool so you can work out and go, no,
I'm going to be OK. And if not, then you can find a
teary provider, as I say, around80 countries in the world and
they'll take you through the process.
They'll teach you the exercises,they'll teach you how to self
regulate it. And then you've got it for free
for the rest of your life. Amazing.
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I'll put everything they're showing.
Is that the best way for them toconnect with you through that
website? Yeah, if the the best way to
connect with me is just through trecourse.com, they can find me
that way. And again, the the one of the
elements, David Best and I didn't develop Tre also Kelly,
it was developed by a guy calledDavid Berselli.
And it was also built on the back of other people in, you
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know, body work like Alexander Lowen and William Reich and
other people. So he was just the person who
put it into this into this process.
But one of the things that got me so excited and on board with
this process was that when Davidfirst developed that he was
working in, you know, war zones and natural disasters.
And you know, part of it was we can't bring in a Western
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therapeutic model and we can't fly in 10,000 psychologists to
do 15 sessions with 200,000 people have just been through a
tsunami. And So what got me so passionate
about it was the empowerment side of it going, hey, all I
have to do is to reframe shaking.
This is a positive thing. Teach you how to access it,
teach you how to regulate it. And then I'll never forget when
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David said this in a workshop one day.
So he said, look in Tre, the tremors are the therapists.
So the reason I'm saying that iswhen people are listening to
this, I don't want you to connect with me.
You're welcome to if you need me.
I do want you to go and learn the do the course or find a Tre
provider, but ultimately it's about people connecting with
themselves and finding that innate resource, that organic
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wisdom that's inside us, that wants to heal us, that wants to
bring us back to life, wants to reawaken us.
It wants us to be invigorated and joyful and being a, you
know, really grounded, honouring, self honouring
relationship of being of serviceand benefit to others, but not
costing ourselves. Our Organism wants that.
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And so when we learn how to access it, then literally we've
got access to this pathway forever.
And you don't have to keep connecting with me.
I'm not, I'm not really important.
What's important is this gettingin relationship with this
spontaneous movement reflex that's inside every single one
of us. Yeah, I love that.
And it's like, so I mean, when you talk about that, that power
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from within, it's like we all have it.
And I think we're so quick to relinquish our own authority to
sources outside ourselves. And it's like, you know, it's
like Dorothy and the Ruby slippers.
It's like she always had the power to go home.
She didn't realize it until someone told her like you've had
it all along. And it's like that is what we
have. We have that power within
ourselves. And I'm so grateful for
everything you shared today about Tre and about the body and
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the nervous system and just really allow people to see
shaking through different lens and realize that it is and it is
your body advocating for you andhelping you.
So thank you so much for everything that you shared
today. You you're welcome, Kelly.
It's, it's really grateful to beable to share this information.
Yeah, for me, I, I relate. It was just such a relief.
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It was the first time I was like, Oh my God, I've got relief
in my body. You know, we get hope.
We're like, oh, maybe there is away now.
It's not a magic bullet. It's not going to magically fix
everything in your life. We still have to do everything
and live. But it does like open that, you
know, that pathway of like, wow,if I keep going.
But I know you're into your analogies like with Dorothy and
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the red slippers. What's coming to mind for me, it
hasn't come to mind previously, but the sense of the yellow
brick road, you know, it's literally like when I first
experienced like maybe there is a way through wow, maybe just
maybe now. It doesn't mean it's life simple
and everything's perfect and allthose things, but it's there.
It's something we can come home to and it's always there and
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it's and it's insider. So yeah, I really appreciate the
chance to share that. And yeah, hopefully many of the
listeners, you'll go and check out the course, learn Tre, find
a provider and just it becomes part of your life.
Just like a dog shaking. It's simple and easy.
So it's always there for us. Yeah, I love that.
And like I said, I hope everything in the show knows.
So definitely checked out the course.
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And, you know, just take this, if you're listening to this,
maybe take it as a nudge for thefrom the universe that this may
be the next step in your path toreally open yourself up to new
possibilities. So thank you so much again.
Again, thank you for everyone who tuned in today.
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how to heal without having to think about it?
We spend so much energy managingstress from the neck up, but in
this episode, we're flipping thescript.
Richmond Heath, founder of Tre Australia, reveals how the
body's natural tremor reflex, the same one we've been taught
to suppress, can actually release deep tension, calm your
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nervous system and reset the sense of safety from the inside
out. If you've ever felt like no
amount of meditation, journaling, or positive thinking
can quiet the overwhelm, this conversation might be the
missing piece. This is a 2 part episode and in
today's episode you're going to learn about patterns of
exhaustion. You're going to learn about Tre
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tension patterning, and how shaking can help you release
them. You're also going to learn about
how to take the first step to start releasing traumatic
patterns within your body and allow yourself to navigate life
with greater ease and greater freedom.
All right, well, welcome back tothe podcast.
I'm so honored to have Richmond Heath on the podcast today.
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So thank you so much for being here.
Thanks, Kelly, It's a pleasure to be on.
Yeah, I am looking forward to this.
We're just chatting a little bitand there's gonna be so many
things that come through for thelisteners and anyone who's
listening right now. But what I want to start with,
because I always love how people's journeys evolved.
But do you mind sharing your back story?
What led you to the people you serve and what you do today?
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Yeah, so my back story is very similar to yours, Kelly, where
in my late 20s or my 20s and 30s, my body was basically just
grinding down. I'd always use sport and
exercise as a way of maintainingmy well-being and my mental
health. And I got to the point where I
had chronic Achilles tendonitis,so I couldn't run, couldn't even
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swim and kick my feet anymore. I had chronic shoulder
impingement, so I couldn't lift my arms above my shoulder, so I
couldn't go to the gym and do all that sort of stuff.
And then I also had two really significant periods of low back
pain where I'd sort of hurt my back.
Many years later, I only discovered they were both within
six weeks of breaking up with myfirst two, you know, really
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serious, true love girlfriends. But I had no idea of that.
And as a physiotherapist, the model I'd always receive was,
look, this is just mechanical. It's, you know, your muscles are
weak, they're tight and all thatsort of thing.
And one of my brothers sent me off to a the passionate 10 day
silent meditation course where basically all you really do is
you just constantly meditate into the feelings in your body.
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And I did a number of those courses.
And really what changed for me was that one of those courses,
my body started to spontaneouslymove, like started off just
rolling, sort of leaning forwards when I was sitting.
And I was thinking, that's weird, I'm not doing that.
And so I just observed it and then it was about to fall, fall
forwards and then it jolted and then it slowly started to move
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back. And I was like, hang on, this is
I'm not doing this. This is not me moving.
This is just happening. And so I snuck back into the
hall like one night on my own because you're not meant to move
in these meditations. And I just observed my body and
then my body started to move itself around.
And you know, over the course ofa couple of days of exploring
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this spontaneous movement, I didn't have any concept or
understanding about it. All I knew was my body was
moving. It felt fantastic.
After a couple of days, I was able to do a one handed
handstand and and press my body weight up and down.
So everything I've learned aboutchronic pain and about muscular
strength in my physical therapy degree, it all went out the
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window. I didn't have any frameworks.
So, you know, my back pain was so bad that there were times
where I couldn't go up and down stairs because of the weakness
in my leg. I had chronic pain, you know,
waking me up at night constantly.
So the biggest change for me wasmany years later, then I got
introduced to Tre and someone gave me a DVD.
They said check this out, do these exercises.
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I did these exercises, had this tiny little vibration in my
legs. I didn't think much about it.
And then I went to bed. The next morning when I woke up,
I was like, Oh my God, what's just happened?
I slept like a log. I hadn't slept like that for 30
years. And I'd always, when I'd sit
down in the mornings, I'd often have my heels off the ground.
It's like, you know, people withchronic tension in their calves,
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kids with autism will often havethat tension pattern.
And I'd had that chronic Achilles stuff for years.
And I'll never forget sitting onthe toilet and just thinking,
oh, my God, what's happened? Because it felt like my heels
felt like they were a foot through the bottom of the floor.
So all that tension and pain in my calves are just completely
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let go in a way that no other form of bodywork or exercise or
Pilates or stretching or massageor foam rolling, nothing it ever
touched. And so that was the key moment
for me where all of a sudden I had this way of finding relief
in my body which I'd never foundbefore.
And at that point I had no understanding about what it was
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or could explain it, or had a notrauma informed net sort of
model for it. I just knew that it was working.
It was doing something really profound.
And so I I really went from there.
Yeah, thanks so much for sharing.
Because it's like those experiences are so
transformational when you have this one way of looking at life
and looking at your body and have this lens, especially when
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you're trained as a physiotherapist, like you have
that one lens that you have and then you have this
transformational experience and you'd like, it's like everything
changes. And I, I had very similar
experience, like live with chronic back pain for years and
like did all the things and it was like frustrating because you
know, you know the body, you know all the things to do and
you're like, this is not like working long term.
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It's, it's amazing to understandlike there's so much more to
this. And then to have that experience
that you had, it's profound. Yeah, absolutely.
It was a major paradigm shift for me because as you say, in my
physiotherapy degree, it was like, oh, it's all just tight
muscles and that, but it was never explained to me, well, why
are these muscles tight? What's underlying these chronic
patterns of stress and and tension?
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And that was a key part of the journey for me was getting this
trauma informed model about where was this tension and pain
and stress. And you know, I never realised
for most of my life I'd live with high functioning anxiety.
So on the outside I was functioning, but on the inside I
was, you know, burning out. I was like, I was struggling to
keep up. And that was really in my 30s,
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you know, I had a partner, I hada young child.
And it was the stresses of trying to keep up that really
got me to the point where I was,I was breaking down.
And one of the key elements was because I felt so bad, so
exhausted, so low energy, so much pain, so much attention.
I didn't have any really healthyways of managing that.
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You know, I could eat and distract myself.
I used to use exercise to feel good, but that was limited.
And it caught up with me and I couldn't keep doing it.
And that's why finding this innate pathway in my body that
was able to release the stress and tension on its own without
me having to do anything with such a major relief because I
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finally had something that was ahealthy way and an internal
resource that was freely available.
And the great thing for me was Ididn't have to do it like I'd
spent my whole life thinking. And I'd been trained that way.
It's like it's my responsibilityto fix this and make myself
better. I mean, that's people come to
see me as a physiotherapist because I'm going to fix it.
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So I've done the same thing. The problem was me, it was that
I wasn't doing enough. I wasn't meditating enough.
I wasn't doing enough breath where I wasn't eating, I wasn't.
So it was always this pressure of like, I have to fix this and
it just didn't work. And there was a huge amount of
relief when, you know, at that very first meditation course
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where this sense when, when I got out of the way and I didn't
try to do anything and I let my body lead my process, there was
just this immense relief of like, Oh my God, my body can
actually unwind this pattern in a way that I can never do.
So it took this burden that it'sall my fault and I have to find
the answers. They were already, you know, we
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talk about sort of already beinginside us, but it wasn't a
metaphor. It was literally that this
spontaneous movement reflex was,is and was the pathway to
releasing all those patterns. Yeah, it's, it's amazing.
Like when we clench and we try to control everything, it's like
our fists are so tightly clenched that we can't receive
anything in that position. And it's like a lot of that has
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to do with safety, with in placeof safety to able to receive
things and allow things to bubble up to the surface.
Do you think that played a role like where that came through in
that 10 day meditation, that your body finally felt safe to
express it? Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, when I first started doing Tre, I'll never
forget this experience. So I'd been learning about this
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trauma in full model. Like why?
You know, why is my body not feeling safe?
And of course, it's not conscious because I'm in a room
with my family and that, but I'll never forget.
I was at a workshop. It must have been three or four
months after I'd started doing this Tre practice and regular
tremoring. My body was starting to let go
and calm down. And I was standing in front of
someone just talking. Maybe it was at a lunch break or
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something, I can't remember. And I was talking to them and I
remember feeling that I felt a bit tense.
I didn't really know why. So I deliberately took a deep
breath and sort of tried to relax myself.
And I literally, Kelly, in that moment, turned sideways and
went, holy shit. And the reason I did it was
because in that moment, my pelvic floor let go and relaxed.
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It felt like my bum had sort of hit the floor.
Now, prior to doing this work with Tre, I'd been teaching
Pilates full time. So I had done a million pelvic
floor contractions. I was teaching people about
their pelvic floor, and I did that.
But in this moment, what I discovered was that my pelvic
floor had been squeezed on for my entire life and I didn't even
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know about it. I didn't know I had anxiety.
I didn't know I had high functioning anxiety.
All I knew was I had sacroiliac joint problems and chronic cytic
nerve pain and that it was a mechanical, mechanical thing.
And so that was really like this, the start of this journey
of recognizing and, and importantly for me that it's the
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chronic tension that I don't know about that's having such a
significant impact. So, you know, people who are
listening to this now we can be sitting here going, no, I
haven't got any pain. I haven't got any tension.
I feel quite feel good. But just like the classic
iceberg story, 90% of the tension patterns are outside our
conscious awareness, but they are what is driving that sense
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of whether our nervous system feels safe or whether we don't
and how our body tension levels are.
And that is ultimately, you know, hugely driving our
behaviour and our experience of,of life.
So for me, that's that that sense of the iceberg that most
of the tension in our system, you know, estimates are that we
only have access to 5 or 10% of our neuromuscular system.
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It's that unconscious tension which is generally driving our
patterns and our behaviour and our experiences of life.
And it's why no matter what we do consciously and cognitively,
so often it doesn't seem to work, is because like me, I had
no idea that my pelvic floor wassqueezed on.
And even, you know, people listening now, it's like, we can
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be feeling OK, but if we get a massage therapist to come and
put a trigger point in our shoulders or our glutes or our
stomach or our diaphragm, we'll be like, Oh my God, there's all
this tension there, but we don'teven know it's there having an
impact. And again, This is why working
with the body's own way of unwinding that tension pattern
below our conscious awareness isso significant, because it's
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something that we can't do cognitively.
Mm hmm. Absolutely.
It's amazing how we just accumulate that tension
throughout our lives and that's why it just becomes normalized.
Like doesn't everybody feel likethis?
Don't does everyone have their shoulders up by their ears?
Like I've lived with this for years and it's like a term I
came across when I was just starting this and like really my
own journey was like somatic motor amnesia and where you
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just, your body doesn't realize,you know, just as you're
speaking about like it doesn't realize the tension that's there
because it is under the level ofconsciousness.
And it's, it's so profound that,you know, that's all going on
below the surface. And we're wondering why we're
experiencing what we're experiencing when that's what is
happening. Yeah, that, that's right.
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And I sometimes like to joke with people and I say, OK, just
take a moment. Feel into your body.
Now, I want you to relax an areaof your body that you can't
feel. I want you to find some tension
in your body that you're not connected to, and I want you to
relax it. Well, of course, the point of
that is going, we can't consciously relax something if
we're not connected to it. And that's that sense is
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whenever we've got this chronic muscular tension that we often
don't feel until we're stretching or someone's
massaging us and we're feeling into it.
That is basically what's the foundation for the state of our
nervous system. But we're generally only aware
how, how am I feeling today, psycho?
Emotionally or consciously, I'm feeling OK.
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Emotionally, I'm feeling OK, butthose patterns that are deeper
in our Organism, in the nervous system, in the neuromuscular
system, generally, that's what'sdriving our, you know, our
experience and the common pattern around exhaustion, You
know, the exhaustion is being generated by the nervous system.
It's a survival response. Shut down, protect energy, it's
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over. Things are overwhelming.
It's too much. So the body's generating a state
of low energy. But of course, because that's
happening, you know, subcortically we might say,
which means below the prefrontalcortex, it's not part of our
cognitive, part of our brain deep in the brain stem.
We don't necessarily have easy access to it.
And even if we do do things to mobilize our energy and generate
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our energy, if that pattern is not changing at the organic
nervous system level, then all of those efforts are only of a
temporary short term fixes. And eventually while we get
excited about, oh, I've been doing this breath work course
and I'm really pumped up and after four it's feeling great.
And then after four months we'reexhausted again, or I've started
meditating. And that when the patterns don't
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change in the organisms, so thatorganically our body is
generating the energy, then eventually, you know, those
things catch up with us and we find, oh, here's another thing
that I've tried that just hasn't, hasn't worked.
Now, let me be really clear. I'm not saying that all those
practices are not useful and valuable.
They absolutely are. But for everything we can
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consciously control, then all our consciously directed
practices, which is 95% of our well-being practices are going
to be useful. But for everything that's in the
unconscious that we don't have that that direct cognitive
access to, then that's where this tremoring reflex or the
spontaneous movement reflex is so profound.
By adding that together, it's going to give you greater access
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to have more effect with the, you know, the cognitively
directed techniques like meditation and exercise and
breath work and everything else we do consciously.
Yeah, absolutely. It's like our patterns are
almost like the thermostat, likewe can increase the heat
manually, but it's going to comeback down to that level of what
the patterns are. So it's, you know, those
practices will help temporarily,but then again, it's going to
settle itself back down to whatever it's set at.
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And that's, it's so profound. I would love to get, you know,
have you talk about Tre and whatare what does that look like,
you know, for someone who's not aware of it, you know, say what
Tre is and how do you start to integrate that into your
routine? Yeah, so Tre just originally
just stood for tension and trauma release exercises.
And in a nutshell, what it involves is deliberately
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invoking spontaneous shaking andtrembling and sometimes
pandiculation, which is like fascial stretches or your body
moving through space like a yawn.
And the the thing that's so wonderful about it is that we
all experience this spontaneous shaking and trembling.
It's part of our life. So for example, as a young
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child, you might be at school and you have to read a poem and
your little hands are shaking. Now we just go, oh, that's
stress and anxiety. Maybe you've come across or
you've had a traumatic event or a car accident, or you come
across someone who's shaking on the side of the road.
We've all been told that's shock.
You've got to put a blanket on and warm them up and stop that.
And commonly, you know, for women, the vast majority of
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women will have some kind of experience of spontaneous
shaking and trembling during or after birth.
And generally, if you're lucky, they'll say, oh, that just
happens. We don't really know why, but
people sometimes get medicated or held down to try and prevent
it. So in our Western society, we
have misunderstood and pathologized that, you know,
when we're shaking and trembling, as long as we haven't
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got a neurological disorder likeParkinson's or epilepsy or
something, but separate to that,that we think that when you're
shaking, that means I'm scared and that I'm anxious or that I'm
in shock. And the simple reframe is that
shaking is not part of our stress or trauma response.
I think about this, if I'm standing at the front of a, you
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know, a room full of people and I'm speaking and my hands are
shaking, is that helping my bodyto fight or to flee?
It's obviously not. And is it helping my body to
freeze and immobilize and and prevent me?
It's not the shaking in the trembling is the way the body
recovers literally when we have that surge of adrenaline or our
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muscles are all sort of tense and tight in the freeze
response. The shaking is the way the body
uses the adrenaline. So adrenaline doesn't make a
shake. You know, people do a base jump
or whatever and they're like Oh my God, or a bungee jump and
they're like, oh, I'm shaking because of the adrenaline.
The adrenaline is not there to make you shake.
The adrenaline there is to give you the energy to have a
behavioural fight flight response.
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The shaking is the most efficient way for our mammalian
organized, you know, because we're all mammals and mammals
have this response. It's evolved, you know, over
millions of years. The shaking is the most energy
and Safeway for the body to use up that adrenaline.
So the shaking is a recovery response.
It's a way that the muscular system releases that chronic
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tension and bracing that we have.
You know, at the end of the day,you come home from work, the
shoulders are all tight. Now, that's not a conscious
process. None of us are squeezing our
shoulders or tightening up our piriformis or our glutes or
sucking in our digestive system.None of that is happening
consciously. And the beautiful magic here is
that the human Organism has evolved.
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With a similar and completely unconscious, automatic,
spontaneous way of coming out ofthose stress and trauma
responses. And that's the shaking and the
the trembling. It's just that in Western
culture we've learnt to suppressit.
You know, for your listeners who've got kids, you'll start
seeing this in kids books everywhere.
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Like the ugly duckling was trembling with fear.
So we've all just associated with shaking is a sign of
anxiety. Shut it down, lock we're out of
control. And so simply reframing this is
a huge paradigm shift for people.
The classic example is, you know, someone says, Oh my God,
I'm starting to have a panic attack.
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My hands are shaking. We think that the shaking is
part of the panic, but the shaking is the discharge of the
panic. And once people understand that
and get that, they'll often findpanic attacks fall away.
It doesn't mean that they don't have a response and their body
starts to tremble, but they'll be like, wow, oh, this is
calming me down. Let's let this happen more fully
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and more freely. And it breaks that cycle because
we're thinking the shaking is the panic.
I've got to lock it down. So with Tre, we just use simple
exercises, like the most simple thing, lying on your back,
lifting your knees up and holding your legs to connect to
the shaking in the same way thatanyone has ever done yoga or
you've been to the gym and you hold a muscle in a certain
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position and your muscles start to shake.
So we use this muscle effort to deliberately invoke the shaking,
and it tends to start off as a little shake or a vibration or
as a wobble, but then the body will start to generate movement
wherever it needs to. So someone might find their
hands start to shake, someone else's eyelids might to flicker,
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someone else's hips might start to rotate, someone else's ankle
might start to, you know, wobbleand vibrate.
And so by doing that and then teaching people, hey, even
though you're letting this movement happen, you can take
conscious control of it and stopit whenever you want.
So people learn to self regulateit.
So they go, hey, I'm not out of control.
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I'm surrendering and letting go.I can let my body move, I can
let it shake and tremble. But as soon as I don't want it
to, then I just, I just take conscious control.
And so with that empowering skill of self regulating it,
then people go, hey, I can learnhow to let go and surrender and
let my body shake and move and release tension and literally,
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you know, shake us back to life.Yeah, it's so empowering because
just having that knowledge of like this is my body's natural
process. It takes that fear response out
of, of people like, Oh my gosh, I need to stop because or
something bad's going to happen.Or like it's just knowing that
like your body is innately able to discharge.
That is so empowering when you're going through something
like that. And it's like you look at the
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animal Kingdom, you see like a lion chasing its prey and then
the animal gets away. And then the first thing it does
is like shake it off. Like you can see it, you know,
dogs do it all the time. It's like amazing that you can
see this in so many realms. But for humans, we've thought
that that is part of, like, something that shouldn't be
happening or is just contributing to the fear
response. So, yeah, yeah.
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That's right. I liken it Kelly to the shaking
and the, and the spontaneous movement.
And we use the term neurogenic in tear.
It just means that the, the nervous system is generating
the, the the movements. It's not just because of muscle
fatigue and I'm not, it's different from if I consciously
shake my body, that's useful. But this is something other
where the body is generating themovement.
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And I liken it to being the, youknow, it's an emergency exit out
of your room. And the thing in our culture is
when we suppress and contain that from a, from a very young
age, you know what, if anyone's got dogs, you see them shaking
all the time. And as soon as they do that
shake, it changes the direction that their heart rate is going
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and it's heading up and they're getting stressed.
As soon as they do that little 2second shake, their heart rate
changes direction and they startto calm down.
But as a culture in the West, we've completely pathologized
it. So it's like we've locked the
emergency exit. So, you know, in my example, I'm
going, I've got all this tensionand all, which, you know, ends
up becoming chronic pain. How do I get rid of it?
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I'm trying to get rid of it fromthe outside.
I'm trying to numb it out. I'm trying to eat and trying to
distract myself. I'm trying to do exercise.
And exercise is useful, but it has a limit because I can only
exercise to the level of that mycognitive mind will allow me.
And so this is where when we've locked and, and bolted closed
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the emergency exit, it's like that stress and tension can't
get out of us. And so no matter what we do, it
eventually catches up with us. And the, and the beautiful thing
is, and This is why I love this work so much is because it's
about empowering people instead of saying, Hey, you know, you
need to come and see me every week for a massage and I'll fix
up your neck pain and I'll, you know, it's going, hey, once you
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learn how to access this, this reflex or shaking or trembling
response, you've got it for the rest of your life.
It's your birthright to know this.
And this is how you access it. This is how you regulate it.
And then basically, I sometimes say, people say, now just go
away. Keep using it for the rest of
your life. Get in touch with me if you have
any problems using it. But every time we let the body
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move itself, it literally just peels away another layer of the
onion. So what excites me, and I know
in your podcast you talk a lot about progress because when
we're really struggling, we're all looking for the silver
bullet. We're like, Oh my God, I did
this thing and everything is perfect.
And I haven't had to change. I haven't had to change the way
I live or think or move or deal with my emotions, anything like
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that. But what I'm really passionate
about, Kelly, is, is the direction that this shaking
response moves us in. So when I run classes, rather
than saying, right, OK, who's magically had their pain
disappear or, and and that happens, you know, people go, Oh
my God, I had this pain and it'sgone.
But what I'm more interested in is I'll say, right, what
direction has this little minute, this 20 or 30 minutes of
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shaking moved your system in? And people will go, oh, I feel
more calm. I feel more relaxed.
I've got more energy, I feel more alive.
I'm more connected to my body. So I'm like, great.
Now, if 20 or 30 minutes of thathas given you that response,
every time you do it and you useit, it's going to unwind you
further and further. So people who have been using
this, you know, it becomes a lifelong I, I, I don't like to
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use the word practice because itjust happens so easily.
It's not something you have to do.
You don't have to make it happen.
You just let it happen. You can be lying in bed before
you go to sleep. But what's exciting is that
every time we use it, we unwind,knowing that in five years
there's going to be more freedomand more new freedom because the
Organism naturally, you know, has a desire and a night impulse
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in it to make itself as relaxed and efficient and as functional
and as healthy as possible. So when we, it's like, you know,
step into the current of it, thebody is going to just keep
leading this journey where we weget more connected to ourselves,
more alive, more embodied, more authentic, more expressive, and
we're able to feel more pleasureand more joy in life, not just
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get rid of our stress and tension.
Yeah, I love that. I love how you use the example
of that, like emergency door is shut because it's so like I talk
about that too, like, you know, in a different way.
But like when the door is shut and you just see like a tiny
crack, you're like, Oh my gosh, there's light.
There's light coming in. Then like you want to lean into
that more. So it's not something like, oh,
at 5:00 I got to do this. It's like something that you're
like, Oh my gosh, I feel a little bit better.
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I want this in my life. Like, this is something that you
almost like, feel like you're coming home to yourself when
you're doing practices like thatthat are taking off all the gunk
that you've accumulated through your life.
Yeah, yeah, that, that's right. And I always love to say, you
know, when we most need self-care is when we're least
likely or able to do it. So when we're most exhausted,
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people are well, you just need to go to the gym.
I'm like, Oh my God, I can't getwell.
Like when your mind is racing, you're like, well, you just need
to meditate. I'm like, can't meditate, my
mind's racing. And so most of that's why I
don't like to call it a practice.
There's a fancy term auto italic, which means that a
process is innately enjoyable. So this is where once we invoke
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the shaking or the trembling or the OR the Pandit spontaneous
pandiculation response, the beauty about this process is we
don't have to do it. So it doesn't take mental
effort. So I don't have to focus my
mind. It doesn't take physical effort
because I don't have to use my will force to push myself harder
and do all that sort of stuff. And it generally feels very
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pleasurable. So what happens is rather than
going, oh, OK, look, I'm alreadyexhausted, I'm already stressed,
I'm already burnt out. My life is already full.
You know, I've got the kids, I've got my work, I've got all
this stuff. Hey, all you need is an extra 30
minutes of your day to do this wonderful practice.
People are like, I'm already full.
I haven't got time. Whereas when we say, hey, look,
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when you fall asleep at night, do you fall instantly asleep?
And if you don't just bring yourlegs up, legs up and, and let
your body tremble in bed. Or if you wake up in the night
or if you've finished yoga, you know, just do 5-10 minutes of
the shaking because the body is able to release stress and
tension in a way that we can't do consciously.
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So it doesn't take much time, itdoesn't take effort.
So once we get access to the process and, and I'm innately
quite a lazy person, this is thething I love about it.
I don't have to drive it. It's not like I have to push
myself to do the exercise or keep going.
My body just moves itself and I'm literally just like, hey,
I'm, I'm, I'm just chilling out.I can be lying there watching TV
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or having a conversation. So it's something that's super
easy to build into our day. And when we're most fatigued,
when we're most stressed and we're least likely to use
self-care, all we're really saying people is, hey, are you
able to let go? And of course, most of us can't
let go because we're so bound uptight.
But we're going. I'm not saying, hey, can you,
you know, go and drive this, make this happen and find more
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willpower. When you don't have willpower,
it's like, can you just let go of your willpower and just lie
there and do nothing and let your body move?
It's like, yeah, I can do that. And that's why it's so
significantly different to most of the other practices that we
use, which require our time, ourenergy and our mental focus and
our will force to try and make them happen.
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Yeah, which is is you're complaining right on.
It's like exhausting. Like I can't do anymore anymore.
I don't worry more today. And it's like, you know, it
becomes, I find a lot of times, especially, you know, women that
listen to my podcast are like the high achievers.
They just want to check something off their list.
Like I did it, you know, but they're not really embodying it.
So that's what I love about thattoo.
It's like it's not about checking some things off your
list. It's about being just present
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with yourself and allowing yourself to let your body do its
magic and and allow it to move back into its state of like
innate healing that it was always designed to go back to.
So I love that. Yeah.
And then look, another area that's that's relevant is when
we think about spontaneous movement during orgasm.
And I always like to raise this because people are like, oh,
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it's tension and trauma release.It's all about trauma.
And it's not that at all. We don't need to go into the
story necessarily. We're just letting the body move
itself back to life. And anyone who's ever felt their
body spontaneously move and tremble and shake and vibrate
and move around during an orgasmis like, this stuff feels good.
And so this is part of the beauty of it is that when the
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body starts to move and it releases and it relaxes, it
feels fantastic. So instead of it being going, Oh
my God, I've got to go and stretch and I don't like the
pain and how that feels and I'vegot to do that run and it's time
you actually do. I want to lie down and basically
have a kind of almost a form of it's not an orgasm per se, but
you know, this sense of my body is going to start to move and
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shake and release itself and it's going to feel pleasurable.
Be like, of course, how much time and how much energy is it
going to take? None.
Your body generates it yourself and you can, as I say, you can
do it literally anywhere. You know, people do it in bed.
A lot of people use it to help them go to sleep.
They tremor, they cut their nervous system calms down.
Then they're like, oh, feel peaceful.
They roll over and not sleep. Other people use it, you know,
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in the toilet, like you don't have to be lying down.
You could be standing up. You can use it in any different
position. You know, at lunch, they're
exhausted or something's happened.
They've had a client that's overwhelming or you know, when I
grew up, we had, when my kids grew up, I should say, when we
were little, we had a process that I called a shuggle, which
is a combination of a shake, a cuddle and a hug where the kids
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would come and lie on my body. And there's beautiful videos of
mums and dads with young babies or young kids sleeping on their
belly while they're lying in theback and they're shaking and
trembling. So it's just such a simple thing
that we can build into the into our lives.
And because it feels so good, it's something that we're like,
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hey, this is not an effort. This is simple.
I don't have those. I haven't got time and energy to
do another thing and tick another thing off.
This is something where I can learn to let go and relax and
let the body lead me. Yeah, I love how you talking to
give the example of the the momsand dads and their babies
because again, the nervous systems Co regulate and what a
beautiful gift that you are in amore regulated state and now you
can share that with your child and do these practices together.
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Because I think that's another thing people often feel that
guilt of Like I can't take care of myself.
But if you can incorporate thosepractices into your family and
realize that you're giving your child a gift by allowing them to
feel free to experience that, that's amazing.
Yeah, and and in lots of cultures where shaking and
trembling is just the normal part of the, the culture.
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Like, you know, let's go back toanimals, dogs are going to do it
all the time. That's just part of how that how
they are. One of the the classic examples
in in indigenous traditions is the Kalahari Bushmen.
So I don't know if you, if you people have seen the film the
Gods Must be crazy. So the sun people from Africa
and part of their cultural identity is they call themselves
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the keepers of the Sheikh. And so they deliberately get up
in the middle of the night. They do, you know, have a
regular ceremony where they willgo into this spontaneous shaking
and trembling response. Now they will talk about it as
being connecting to the spirit and this healing power and
whatever, not necessarily about releasing trauma, but it's just
built into their culture. You know, Swahili, traditional
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Swahili midwives after a woman gives birth and she'll give
birth standing up with people holding her up on either side.
They deliberately keep that woman standing up after birth to
invoke the shaking and tremblingresponse.
And they won't let her lie down until it comes to its own
natural completion, like a discharge.
It could be 20 minutes, could be30 minutes because they know if
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they let that woman lie down andthe shaking doesn't discharge
and release all of the, the stress and trauma from the
birth, they basically just say that woman's going to have
problems after birth. And then another one that I, you
know, particularly love is the ancient samurai warriors had a
practice called Saiki Jutsu, which basically was like life
force yoga where they would meditate and their body would
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start to spontaneously shake, tremble, but primarily move and,
and spontaneously pandiculate. And that was part of their
secret practice that helped thembe, you know, lethal Warriors 1
moment and then super chilled out Zen Masters the next because
they had access to this magic little ingredient, which was
something outside their conscious control that general,
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you know, generally others were not using.
So this is where once, once it becomes once we reframe it and
we're going right. Oh, wow, that person is shaking
and trembling. Oh, they're calming down.
We will start to see it everywhere in our, in our life.
You know, even kids at Christmas, there's too much
charge in their nervous system. They can't sit still.
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Or we start to tremble and shakewith anger.
Or we see someone public speaking.
So when we reframe it or we see,you know, our teenagers are
sitting there and their feet aretapping up and down on the
floor, what do we all do? Oh, stop that.
Or someone's fidgeting. We start to reframe it like, oh,
wow, the body is trying to calm itself down.
How can we actually support and enhance that and do that more
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effectively? Let's deliberately invoke that,
that response and that reflex. So then it becomes a self
source, you know, self sourcing pudding.
It's a forward feedback where every time we invoke it, the
body gets a bit more calm. As it gets a bit more calm, it
gets easier to invoke it. And then, you know, soon we know
it's just something that we naturally do on a regular basis
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because if we don't do it, we'relike, wow, I can feel all that
tension coming back inside me. So we're really just reinstating
a natural part of the human experience that in the West, not
in a lot of traditional cultures, but in the West, we've
all learned to suppress and holdand create tension, have a stiff
upper lip. You know, don't let people know
we're scared. Don't, don't be vulnerable.
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Don't let go. You know, our whole Western
culture is you're in control. The more you can control it,
it's up to you. You can achieve it, you can fix
it. And that works beautifully until
we hit to the point that's outside our control.
And that's where this spontaneous tremoring is just so
empowering. Yeah, absolutely.
And we got just like out here talking and like my, my son, I
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have a six year old son and a six and a 2 year old, but
they're like all over. I always move in like, you know,
fidgeting. And you know, my one thing that
like bothered me is like in school, like they have to sit
still on the carpet. And this was something I had
spoken to the teacher about. I was like, you know, he's he's
just moving. He was getting in trouble for
moving on the carpet. I'm like, well, he's six years
old, he's going to move. And and so is it that, you know,
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our society, like again, you're talking about the control, is
that where the inhibition is coming from that our our natural
tendencies are just getting so suppressed from all this that we
lose that connection? Yeah, that this is a beautiful
point because when we think about trauma, OK and it's
wonderful that the bodies becomemuch more integrated into the
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trauma world these days rather than just the old sort of mind,
you know, mental health versus physical health.
Yeah, but we often think about trauma and we're releasing
trauma. And when I first started Kelly,
I, I actually felt a bit jealousbecause all these people would
come to Tre that have these horrendous trauma stories.
And I used to just think, I don't have a trauma story like
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that. Oh, you know, I had pretty good
childhood. I shouldn't be like this.
I shouldn't be this stuffed up. I should be more functional.
I've had all this privilege. I've had all this stuff, and yet
I'm grinding down. So when we start to recognise,
you know, trauma effectively is an immobility response, you
know, when people are in fight or flight, our system is saying,
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hey, we've got the capacity to deal with this, let's take
action. Great, that works.
But when it becomes an immobility response is when the
body says we need to shut down and contain movement and do not
move in order to survive. So when we look at trauma as a
state of immobility, and that can either be through muscular
tension, which we all get that build up attention, or it can be
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a collapse where the body creates low energy.
You know, the classic thing of like a, we have the term playing
possum. Or if anyone's seen a mouse that
looks like it's dead and it's all floppy because a cat's
playing with it. The body in those states is
generating the low energy. So all we listeners who are
going, I'm exhausted, I've got burnout.
The nervous system is generatingthat as a way of protecting
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itself. The problems, not the tiredness,
the problems, not the exhaustion.
That's just a little, you know, light on the dashboard.
The, the issue is that the body is trying to protect itself by
immobilizing. Now the reason I'm saying that
was that through doing this workand understanding my own
patterns and my own high functioning anxiety.
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When I was at school, there was a, a, a young kid there who
these days we would say he has avery violent Asperger's.
Now we didn't have any of those diagnosis.
All I knew is when he was 6 foottall, he was twice as big as
everyone and at any moment he could explode and smash things
or punch people. So I would go to school and I, I
actually did get moved by my parents away from the school.
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There were lots of different reasons, but I never knew this
was part of the reason. So I'd go to school.
I'd be sitting, you know, in a classroom with this violent
individual. Nothing to do.
Not his fault. He couldn't help it.
My body wants to run away. I'm scared, but I can't run
away. I can't cry.
I can't sit there. And so my body has to contain
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that movement. And This is why often, you know,
kids come home from school at the end of the day.
They haven't been able to let their bodies regulate by
movement. And so then they're snappy or
they're grumpy or they're rude or they're stressed out or we've
got to eat ourselves to death because we need to calm down.
So when I look back at this fromthat state of what is trauma to
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our body, it's any time our bodyneeds to immobilize when it
wants to move. So your son's sitting on the,
you know, the floor. This is we wouldn't call that
traumatic. Of course, it's not life and
death trauma and you know, PTSD and that's very different.
But to his Organism, it's going,I need to move in order to calm
down. And then we just say sit still.
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And so immobility becomes something culturally trained,
you know, don't let the body move.
And so effectively, that is traumatic to our Physiology.
It's not trauma, you know, it's not like life and death.
But to our body and our neuromuscular system, we are
training it not to spontaneouslymove and express itself.
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And that's the same thing with our emotions.
You know, the, the key element of emotions is they are about
the movement of our structure. When we cry, our diaphragm
tremors and shakes up and down, our facial muscles wobble and
vibrate, our lips vibrate. So when we think about
containing emotions, what we're really containing is movement.
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That's what's being held in. And we train that out of
ourselves from a young age. And then we wonder why we get to
35. And I'm a bit numb and I can't
feel and I'm not feeling a lot of joy and I've got to force
myself to do all these things and, and life's starting to to
catch up with us. So this is where a much more
expanded or I use a movement based model of trauma is so
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important. Now, it's not to discount that
people have had life and breath trauma.
That's different in a way. And it's significant, you know,
because everyone's these days like we're all traumatized and
we are, but we're all carrying unresolved chronic tension,
which is effectively these immobility protective traumatic
patterns in the body, including that state of eventually the,
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you know, the the highest state of that shutdown response is
exhaustion. It's the same with depression.
We go depression. Oh, that's a, that's a problem
having low energy burnout. It's an issue of low energy.
All I'm going to tell you that'snot an issue of low energy.
The problem is that in the lead up to that, the nervous system
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is so highly activated and defended and it's not working
that the body goes into a shutdown and creates low energy.
So, yeah, this is where it's such a this whole bigger pattern
In our Western culture, we are basically trained out of this
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neurogenic spontaneous movement response.
We're trying not to move around when we want to run around.
We're full of energy and my bodywants to move and grow and
develop. We're trying not to cry, not to
laugh at inappropriate times, not to express.
And all these patterns start at a very young age.
So it becomes heavily ingrained.And we lose this connection with
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this shaking and trembling response so that when it does
erupt, we're like, Oh my God, that's a symptom of anxiety,
PTSD. I've got shock.
I've got something wrong with me.
Rather than going, hey, this is about being deeply connected to
the human Organism and how it naturally organizes and relaxes
itself. Yeah, absolutely.
I appreciate sharing that and just the spectrum of that
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because, you know, a lot of times you can look at that, you
know, like the example of my son, like, you know, that can
very much easily be overlooked and dismissed and be like, oh,
that's that's not no, nothing happened to me.
I don't understand why I feel this way.
But when you share about, you know, that and how it can be a
full spectrum and when we are not able to fully express
ourselves like that does build up.
And especially kids where you have the belief systems being
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developed at that time, that's huge and, and can really impact
them throughout their entire life.
So for someone who, you know, has maybe been shut down and is
in that very low energy state and now they are just wanting
something different and they're with Terry.
If they're so inhibited, inhibited and they're like
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natural movements, like, how does that person start to then
allow these movements to come freely through their body?
Yeah. So part of the beauty of the
process is that we bypass the thinking mind.
So we're just using muscle fatigue to bring the shaking on.
And what's important is recognizing that that pattern of
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holding and bracing, it's not a conscious pattern.
All right? If it was a conscious pattern,
all we would need to say to the listeners is, Hey, everybody,
just let it go, become enlightened and go on your way
and have a great life. So it's not a conscious pattern
and the chronic holding intention is similarly, it's not
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a conscious pattern, but the beautiful thing is in the
tremoring or the the Tre. And, and there's many different
modalities and, and practices around the world.
Tre is just a, a modern western,you know, trauma in form,
neuroscientific perspective and way of working with it.
So it's not the Tre is the thing.
It's this spontaneous movement Tre.
It's just one model or pathway, but when we access the
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spontaneous movement reflex that's being generated in the
same part of our nervous system,that's creating the tension.
So in in response to the question, the answer really is
you don't have to let it go. This is the whole problem.
You just, it's not up to you. You lie down, you let your body
let itself go. So we take ourselves out of it
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rather than I, how do I fix this?
How do I do this? You go, your body's got you,
your body's got your back, your body has got this.
It knows what it's doing. And one of the beautiful things
is because it's not then driven by the conscious mind in our
cortex, people will find that itcreates levels of relaxation and
freedom that we can't create consciously.
So it's really, you know, commonthat after a the very first time
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people experience the trembling,they'll get up and they'll say
something like, I feel like I'vebeen meditating for three hours.
We feel so relaxed. How did this happen?
Well, it's happening because we're not consciously creating
it. Our body has those, has the
capacity to generate and hold the tension.
It's all happening unconsciously.
If it's not just let it go and be enlightened, but it also
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contains the pathway to release that.
So because we're bypassing the thinking mind and we're
accessing the body's own abilityto let it go, the body has
infinitely more capacity to let go of the stress and the tension
in those patterns than we have at a cognitive level.
And this is a significant point.I know for your listeners,
Kelly, that, you know, self sabotage and people pleasing and
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all that sort of stuff is a hugeissue.
And what's important to recognize again, is if that
pattern was a cognitive pattern,then all you'd need is a little
bit of information, make some different choices, and you'd all
be fixed. But those patterns happen from a
very, very young age, generally from a precognitive age.
So we're not going to have wordsor story there in our system.
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And so this is where getting access to the part of our system
that's generating those patterns.
It's like, you know, getting thekey to the cell that we're
locked in that we can't ever seem to get out of because our
Organism, our body has the capacity to unwind these
processes because it's in that exact same part of our Organism,
in our body that's generating them in the first place.
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Yeah. And it's just like that wisdom
of our body. It's, it's there and everything,
everything is stored there untilwe allow it to be released.
And it's it's so profound for someone who's listening and
they're like, OK, how do I start?
Like what is the first step thatthat person could take today
just to start to integrate something different into their
life? So look, pre COVID, this is one
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of the positive things that cameout of COVID.
Pre COVID, people would always learn Tre either in a workshop
or with a Tre provider. And they're in around 80
countries around the world and you can find them at Tre Global
or traumaprevention.com or treglobal.com.
But during the pandemic, of course, we couldn't work face to
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face and we couldn't travel. So we started doing it online
and it works really well throughtelehealth, you know, like any
other telehealth thing. But when I was, well, I was in
Melbourne. All right now Melbourne was the
most locked down city in the entire world.
We had the longest lockdowns forthe most and the most
significant. You know, you had a one
kilometre radius you could walk in for like 30 minutes a day.
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Luckily, you know, very privileged.
Our government also had supportive measures for people
who'd lost their income and you know, sort of we would call it
the dole or job start payments or new start or supportive
payments. So I lost all my income, I
couldn't work and but I was getting government benefits in
order to survive. I was very keen to try and do
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something that and not just livebecause my partner who was also
a physiotherapist, she was an essential worker, she was
working at nursing homes, she was working her guts out 10
times harder, putting all the, you know, the PPP on and off.
I was getting more money than her by doing nothing where she's
working her guts out to keep. So I was like, I can't just do
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nothing and have a good time andhave a holiday.
And so I created an online Tre course.
Now, this was the first time it had been taught like this in the
world. And those people like, oh, it's
not going to be safe. And you need someone there to
hold their hand and make sure they're OK and all that sort of
thing. So since that time, it was
initially free to help people through the pandemic.
There's been more than 14,000 people have done this online
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course, you know, filmed on my iPhone.
It's not fancy. It's, it's, but it's fantastic
material. It's got, you know, a framing.
It talks about polyvagal theory and understanding the nervous
system and how the tremors fit in.
But then it has three guided sessions.
So the vast majority of people can learn this technique just
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through an online course for less than the cost of a, a
single therapy session. And again, the whole point of it
is that it's not about going, oh, you need to keep seeing me.
It's like once you learn how to use it, how to regulate it, then
you've got it for life. So that course is at
trecourse.com. It's also got a A3 tiered
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payment system. So people pay a price based on
their income because there's people from countries all around
the world and you know, 50 Australian dollars might be
nothing in Australia, but in Somalia that might be like 3
months wages. And so people get to choose
that. And if there are people who are
in financial difficulty, you know, if you've been through a
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wildfire and you've lost everything, you can also apply
to get free access. So vast majority of people I
tend to these days refer them tothat course because you'll get a
lot more understanding and background.
You'll get 3 guided sessions andit's much more cost effective
than than, you know, finding me and doing a session with me.
But if you are someone who's gota background of, you know,
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extreme trauma or it sounds scary, you're like, oh, I'm not
sure about this or I'm uncertain.
The course has a screening tool so you can work out and go, no,
I'm going to be OK. And if not, then you can find a
teary provider, as I say, around80 countries in the world and
they'll take you through the process.
They'll teach you the exercises,they'll teach you how to self
regulate it. And then you've got it for free
for the rest of your life. Amazing.
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I'll put everything they're showing.
Is that the best way for them toconnect with you through that
website? Yeah, if the the best way to
connect with me is just through trecourse.com, they can find me
that way. And again, the the one of the
elements, David Best and I didn't develop Tre also Kelly,
it was developed by a guy calledDavid Berselli.
And it was also built on the back of other people in, you
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know, body work like Alexander Lowen and William Reich and
other people. So he was just the person who
put it into this into this process.
But one of the things that got me so excited and on board with
this process was that when Davidfirst developed that he was
working in, you know, war zones and natural disasters.
And you know, part of it was we can't bring in a Western
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therapeutic model and we can't fly in 10,000 psychologists to
do 15 sessions with 200,000 people have just been through a
tsunami. And So what got me so passionate
about it was the empowerment side of it going, hey, all I
have to do is to reframe shaking.
This is a positive thing. Teach you how to access it,
teach you how to regulate it. And then I'll never forget when
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David said this in a workshop one day.
So he said, look in Tre, the tremors are the therapists.
So the reason I'm saying that iswhen people are listening to
this, I don't want you to connect with me.
You're welcome to if you need me.
I do want you to go and learn the do the course or find a Tre
provider, but ultimately it's about people connecting with
themselves and finding that innate resource, that organic
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wisdom that's inside us, that wants to heal us, that wants to
bring us back to life, wants to reawaken us.
It wants us to be invigorated and joyful and being a, you
know, really grounded, honouring, self honouring
relationship of being of serviceand benefit to others, but not
costing ourselves. Our Organism wants that.
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And so when we learn how to access it, then literally we've
got access to this pathway forever.
And you don't have to keep connecting with me.
I'm not, I'm not really important.
What's important is this gettingin relationship with this
spontaneous movement reflex that's inside every single one
of us. Yeah, I love that.
And it's like, so I mean, when you talk about that, that power
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from within, it's like we all have it.
And I think we're so quick to relinquish our own authority to
sources outside ourselves. And it's like, you know, it's
like Dorothy and the Ruby slippers.
It's like she always had the power to go home.
She didn't realize it until someone told her like you've had
it all along. And it's like that is what we
have. We have that power within
ourselves. And I'm so grateful for
everything you shared today about Tre and about the body and
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the nervous system and just really allow people to see
shaking through different lens and realize that it is and it is
your body advocating for you andhelping you.
So thank you so much for everything that you shared
today. You you're welcome, Kelly.
It's, it's really grateful to beable to share this information.
Yeah, for me, I, I relate. It was just such a relief.
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It was the first time I was like, Oh my God, I've got relief
in my body. You know, we get hope.
We're like, oh, maybe there is away now.
It's not a magic bullet. It's not going to magically fix
everything in your life. We still have to do everything
and live. But it does like open that, you
know, that pathway of like, wow,if I keep going.
But I know you're into your analogies like with Dorothy and
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the red slippers. What's coming to mind for me, it
hasn't come to mind previously, but the sense of the yellow
brick road, you know, it's literally like when I first
experienced like maybe there is a way through wow, maybe just
maybe now. It doesn't mean it's life simple
and everything's perfect and allthose things, but it's there.
It's something we can come home to and it's always there and
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it's and it's insider. So yeah, I really appreciate the
chance to share that. And yeah, hopefully many of the
listeners, you'll go and check out the course, learn Tre, find
a provider and just it becomes part of your life.
Just like a dog shaking. It's simple and easy.
So it's always there for us. Yeah, I love that.
And like I said, I hope everything in the show knows.
So definitely checked out the course.
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And, you know, just take this, if you're listening to this,
maybe take it as a nudge for thefrom the universe that this may
be the next step in your path toreally open yourself up to new
possibilities. So thank you so much again.
Again, thank you for everyone who tuned in today.
Thank you so much for tuning into this episode.
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