February 8, 2025 • 66 mins
What if the magic of the Super Bowl lies in the unpredictable challenges of the elements? Join me, Fiddy, alongside a stellar lineup of sports professionals, as we dissect this exhilarating rematch between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. With guests like Bill Stoy, Jose Jefferson, Kurt Barth, Mike Worrell, and Hal Mumme, our conversations are rich with personal anecdotes and professional insights from the worlds of football and basketball, offering a unique perspective on the iconic Super Bowl showdown.
We ignite a spirited debate on the merits of holding major football games in controlled environments versus the thrill of battling the elements. Our guests passionately weigh the pros and cons, discussing how weather can be both a formidable foe and an exhilarating component of the sport. Amidst these discussions, we also explore Nick Sirianni's current standing among NFL coaches, challenging the conventional metrics of coaching greatness and setting the stage for a thoughtful examination of his future prospects in the league.
The heart of our episode delves into the intricacies of coaching legacies. Through captivating stories and expert analysis, we assess Andy Reid's enduring influence and adaptability in the NFL. As we spotlight the synergies between legends like Reid and Mahomes, and the strategic prowess of figures like Bill Belichick and Vince Lombardi, our discussions culminate in a lively debate about the greatest coaches of all time. Tune in for a dynamic blend of sports wisdom, historical reflections, and Super Bowl predictions that promise to captivate and inform.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home
Rants podcast.
This is your special guest,host Fitty, and I'm filling in
for Mike Bono.
Today, as we bring you theSuper Bowl preview of the Chiefs
and the Eagles in the rematchfrom a couple years ago, I have
a great panel of guests who havecome from all facets of
football and sports backgroundsto talk to you today.
(00:21):
First and foremost, make sureyou peep all the sponsors in the
pre-roll and the post-roll, asthey're all small business
owners and they're greatsupporters of this show.
Without further ado, I'm goingto introduce the legends on the
call today and they're going tobreak down this game.
But, guys, when you introduceyourselves, you're going to tell
everybody what you do or whatyou've done, and then who's the
(00:42):
most intense person you've evercoached with or played for?
So, bill Stoy, start us out.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's going on, guys ?
Bill, like Finney justmentioned, currently a
pharmaceutical sales rep.
As far as most intense coachI've ever been around,
definitely Coach Hurdley, ourdefensive coordinator,
austintown Fish, when I playedthere.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Jose You're on mute.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Jose, there we go.
Jose Jefferson Currently I'mthe general manager of Florida
International.
Jose, there we go.
Jose Jefferson Currently I'mthe general manager of Florida
International University, all'sup, and probably the most
intense person I've mostlyprobably been around and you'd
be surprised is probably WillMcClay.
That's executive vice presidentof the Cowboys right now player
personnel In the Arena League.
(01:44):
He was intense man, I mean meantotally different than what he
is now, but great guy, but uh,it's just kind of weird to see
him kind of mellow, so okay kurt.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
How's it going um kurt barth?
I'm currently at washingtoncommunity high school in
washington, illinois.
Uh, most intense person I wasaround in football.
I played for John Tully when Iwas at Eureka College as a
student athlete.
John was a very intense coach,very well in tune with
everything that was going on,and he kept you on your toes.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Mike.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yes, mike Worrell, I coached college basketball for
many years Ashland University inOhio, college of Worcester in
Ohio I'm from Ohio, that's whereI grew up.
And then I was head coach atIllinois College 22 years and
back east at Bethany Collegewith Fitty there, for I was
there for four and a half yearsand, um, as a young assistant
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coach, I worked for a couple,you know, several high intensity
head coaches roger lions atashland I was with first and he
had played there for billmuscleman, so he was a bill
muscleman clone.
I was actually scared to deathat least the first three or four
months working for roger, butbut after that it was like one
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of the greatest experiences Iever had working for him.
And then I was at college atworcester with steve moore uh
regarded as one of the mostintense college basketball
coaches on on any level and he,I think, third all-time winning.
I think he's won 880 games andhe retired like three years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So I would say those two coaches that I work for Okay
, and for everybody that doesn'tknow, mike is the only
basketball coach in NCAA historyto have the slam dunk champion
at any level coaching atdivision three and having a
division three basketball teambeat a division one basketball
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team.
So Mike is the only coach inNCAA history to accomplish that
feat.
I just want to throw that outthere.
Yeah, and then finally, uh how?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yeah, how mummy I've been.
The we're currently on thepresident and head football
coach of the san antoniocaballeros in the soon to be
known about internationalfootball alliance.
We're playing developmentalfootball in the summer for guys
so they can get back to get tothe nfl or get back to the nfl
uh kick off may 31st and we playthrough uh the end of j July.
(04:21):
Check us out on TV.
We'll have like 100 million TVsets in America.
Lights Out Sports is doing us,so if you've got that on your
streaming, check it out on that.
We're also in Mexico, australia, new Zealand and parts of
Europe and South America.
So it'll be pretty goodpublicity for these guys.
(04:43):
Anyway, most intense person, ofcourse I've been the head coach.
Everybody would say I was themost intense, probably.
But besides me or Mike Leach, Ithink, jeff Snedeker, who was
my middle linebacker at Kentuckyin the late 90s.
And Snedeker, the first time Iever met him, walked in my
office, sat down in a chair infront of me, looked me straight
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in the late nineties.
And Snedeker, the first time Iever met him, walked in my
office, sat down in a chair infront of me, looked at me,
looked me straight in the eyeand said I'm the best linebacker
on your team.
This is when I first got thejob.
And and he, he turned out hewas right.
And then, uh, a couple of yearslater, we're.
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We're trying to get to the firstNew Year's Day bowl game
they've been to in 50-somethingyears.
We're playing Mississippi Stateand we're playing at
Mississippi State.
Mississippi State has aquarterback named Wayne Madkin
who is a great athlete but not agreat passer.
The whole week I'm pressed uponhim Just keep him in the pocket
and make him throw.
And it's a really close game.
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It goes back and forth andtowards the end of the game,
wayne gets forced out of thepocket and Snedeker's hunting
him down on the sidelines andI'm screaming at him just push
him out of bounds.
Just because their backupquarterback was a great passer
and we only had a three-point,we only had a two-point lead in
this game.
It's the fourth quarter and soI'm screaming at Snedeker don't
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hit him.
Don't hit him, just push himout of bounds.
Oh, of course not.
Oh no, we take him out at thethigh.
Poor Wayne's laying there onthe sidelines about three feet
from me and I'm looking at himgoing come on, wayne, get up.
You're okay, you can do it.
Hey, haul him off the field.
They put matt wyatt in, who iskind of a famous radio guy
(06:36):
around mississippi now, and mattwyatt proceeded to pick us
apart for about a 75 yard driveand and uh, they kicked a field
goal on the last play of thegame and Jackie Sherrill beat me
by one point.
So Jeff was very, very intenseand the great thing about Jeff
is he lives near all you guysover there.
(06:56):
He's a brilliant businessmanand really a great guy.
We went fishing in Alaska a fewyears ago but he's not a great
guy.
We went fishing in Alaska a fewyears ago but he, he, uh, not a
great guy.
Jeff Snedeker, he's from Ohio,played in Kentucky and really
really an intense player.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's, that's awesome.
Thanks for sharing that.
I would say for myself.
Um, you know, probably the mostintense person I've ever been
around is former Bethany headfootball coach, tim Weaver.
Tim came from the division onelevel, came down to a Division
III level where Bethany was 1-27combined.
The three years before I gotthere we went 4-6 my first year
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and he willed us to four wins4-6, 4-6, 3-7, 3-7, winning 14
games during my time there.
So definitely one of the mostintense people I've ever met,
but a great mentor to myself.
So we're here to talk about theSuper Bowl.
We have the rematch from twoyears ago with the Chiefs and
the Eagles kicking off thisSunday and this show will
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preview on Saturday.
So it'll give everybody about aday and a half to listen to
this and get ready for the game.
So we're going to start withyou, bill, on this.
Who is that one person oneither side of the ball, coach,
player, whatever it is, who isthe X factor in this game?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I guess I'll take the easy one.
We'll say Patrick Mahomes.
I think he's the ultimatedifference maker, ultimate
equalizer.
You know, you look at theroster.
I think a lot of people wouldsay Eagles probably got a pretty
loaded roster, but Mahomes cando a Mahomes thing.
So I'll take the easy one offthe board and go with him.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Okay, jose, would you agree with that, or would you
pick somebody else as the Xfactor?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, saquon Barkley all day long.
I mean most rushing yards NFLhistory period.
I mean they don't stop to run.
He's going to run all over themand and I think the chiefs
their fronts good, their defensegood, but you know every, I
just think with that combinationwith hurts, but he's just
playing outstanding football andif he doesn't get the NFL MVP,
(09:01):
I don't know what an MVP is, Ijust don't.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Gotcha.
What about you, Coach Barth?
Who are you picking on this?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I agree with Jose.
I think if the Eagles can keepBarkley relevant in the game,
meaning they're running thefootball and controlling the
clock a little bit, and they cankeep him engaged and effective,
I think they've got anexcellent shot.
But I think he's the key forthem to be able to to stay in
the game and have a shot to winokay.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
What about you, mike?
What are you saying?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
uh, being a marty schottenheimer disciple, um, I'm
gonna say off the cuff, thephiladelphia eagles offensive
line, um, as the x factor.
I know barkley great and I lovewatching him run.
But the Eagles and I couldn'ttell you one of their guys'
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names on that offensive line butthey must be pretty darn good
and if they can control thatline of scrimmage and they can
run the ball, I like the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, coach, mommy, who would you say is the X
factor in this?
Well, I think.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
I think, uh, my homes is the X factor.
But he's the X factor becausewhat everybody else has already
said, because if the Eaglesoffensive line can control a
line of scrimmage and Saquon canhave a big day, that makes
Jalen Hurts a wild card.
So I don't know if I'm pickingMahomes or Hurts.
(10:34):
I mean, if the Chiefs can stayin it and be relevant, then it's
going to be because of Mahomes.
If the Eagles dominate likethey did against the Commanders,
it's going to be because ofHurts, because of Barkley,
because of the O-line.
So that's the way I see it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, and we're going to go back to you, bill, on
this, and I'm curious about thisbecause, as all being you know,
former college athletes or highschool players or
administrators I'm going to getyour take on this.
So the game is in New Orleans,right?
So we know it's in the Dome,okay, you know, in your opinion,
do you like the Super Bowlsbeing in the Domes or warm
(11:17):
weather climates only, or shouldthey be playing these in cold
climates as well?
We've all played in cold games.
I know Coach Mummy's coachingall types of weather.
You know coach Barth has playedin the cold.
You know Jose's played in inthe warmth, though inside the
inside the domes, in the arenaleague.
You know I've played in somebrutal outside games.
I want to get your guys'opinion on this, though.
Should this always be in domes,should it always be in warm
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weather, or should they put itin the cold weather?
Bill, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Maybe I'll be the new school guy on this, but I like
it how it is.
You take away the I don't wantto say excuses, but you
obviously put a lot of differentfactors into it.
I think a lot of times throughthe playoffs you'll get weather
games on both sides, sodefinitely a chance to have to
prove it that way as well.
But I like the last game beingwarm weather.
(12:05):
Make sure uh, you know, in adome, something like that,
nothing outside really takingtoo much factor into it.
So I'm sure some other peopledisagree, but I I like it how it
is okay.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
What would you say, jose, I'm an arena guy, you know
me, I want perfect.
I want perfect conditions, andI mean they put enough money
into it that it should be thebest game of the season, not
only by stature, but by weatheras well too.
I mean, make the conditions asbest as you can, and that way
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the loser doesn't have an excuse.
Nobody has an excuse, exceptfor they just got outplayed or
whatever the case may be.
But you know, like, like I said, it's best conditions possible.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
That's just how I see it okay, fair coming from the
arena, guys.
So, um what?
What about you, coach barth?
What do you say on this?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
yeah, I, I guess I agree with that.
The the fair weather, uh, isalways, you know, it kind of
keeps things balanced, althoughI I think it would be
interesting at times to see, youknow, teams battled out in the
snow and you know it would causesome teams that are maybe, you
know, play one dimensional oryou can't be one dimensional,
right.
So if so, if a team gets stuckwith that, you know, just see
(13:19):
how they adapt, so that thatwould be the intriguing part of
it.
But for the fans perspectiveand all that, I think that there
would be some fan bases thatwould love to be sitting in the
cold weather.
But I think overall, you know,for the game conditions to be
set, I think benefits the gameand everyone involved.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Gotcha.
What do you say, Mike Worrell?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Sure, the NFL, you know, for the fans and
extracurricular activities,events for Super Bowl, they want
it.
Warm weather, side spike.
So that's fine with me.
But I agree with Coach Barth itwould be interesting to see a
game every once in a whilenatural elements outside, and
see how teams adapt to that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
What do you say?
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Hal on this one.
Well, I remember back to whatwas it 2017 or 18, when Denver
had to go play in theMeadowlands.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, it was about 10 years ago, something like that.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yeah, it was about eight or I don't know, eight or
10 years ago, but no, it was ahorrible experience.
I didn't even like listening toit on the radio.
I was on the road at the time.
But but uh, I, I agree witheverybody.
Just, you know, play, play itin the best possible.
You don't want anybody to havean excuse.
I think whoever said that wassmart and and, uh and and you
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got to think about the fans.
Pro football is theentertainment business, so you
got to think about that and so Ithink they're doing a smart
thing by having in new orleans.
I, I think it kind of worksagainst the eagles a little bit,
because they've been used toplaying these.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Uh, great nope, I think we just lost coach mummy,
so we'll uh, we'll come back tohim on that, but he left it as
great, so we'll see.
Um, so I'm gonna answer thisone.
Actually, I want to see it inthe cold weather, right, because
(15:17):
the thing is right.
If you're a football player,you have to be mentally tough,
right?
Yes, the money is great and themoney fuels you, but eventually
you got to find internaltoughness for yourself to go
battle through the elements,though, as well, and if you want
to see how bad somebody wantsthat Super Bowl bonus and be a
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champion, go play in Buffalo orCleveland right now and you'll
find out how tough you trulytruly are in that regard.
So that's just my opinion on it.
I want to see guys be tough.
I want to see the ice bowlhappen again and I want to see
the freezer bowl happen again.
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That's what I want.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
We got Coach Mummy back on.
Yeah well, somebody tried tocall me and it cut me off, but
I'm just saying you know you gotto think about the fans.
You really do, and nobody wantsto watch a 10-7 game in the
freezing ice in Green Bay for aSuper Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I would.
I think that would be so muchfun.
I was just saying when you'reoff.
I said I want to see thefreezer bowl, I want to see the
ice fun.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I was just saying when you're off.
I said I want to see thefreezer bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I want to see the ice bowl.
I want to see that.
I want to see the freezer bowl.
Negative 40-degree wind chillsout there.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Well, I'm old enough to remember that and I'm also
experienced enough to haveplayed in a couple of those when
I was at Wesleyan, so I promiseyou they're not as much fun as
playing in the dome in NewOrleans.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's funny.
So, um, I want to get your guystake on this.
You know, um a lot of us arecoaches, or former players, or
you know, and or um currentcoaches, so I'm going to get
your opinion on this.
I want to know what, what youthink about nick sirianni and
where he ranks right now and inthe nfl as a head coach.
You know, as a top five, as 10?
You know, in four years,sirianni has four playoff
appearances.
He has five wins in theplayoffs, two Super Bowl
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appearances and two NFC Easttitles.
So, in your opinion, where doesSirianni rank right now in the
rankings of 32 NFL head coaches?
Bill, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, honestly I haven't put much thought into it
.
It maybe should have, but I'llsay top 10.
I think obviously the resumeyou just read off is worthwhile
to be in that category.
I wouldn't say top five yet.
Let's see a little bit more.
I think Young in his career,some obvious kind of legends in
the spot still obviously on theother side as well.
(17:46):
Um, but I think sirianni Iwould say top 10 and definitely
good resume and great youngcoach with a lot of potential
what about you, jose?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
well, I would say a top 10 guy.
But I mean I I think the, thegreat coaches you know, can do
it in a lot of places.
You know, I mean when you lookat the bill parcells and even
you know, you know the AndyReeds.
I mean when you can go anywhereand win with with whomever.
I mean I think he's got a greatstart with with Hertz and and
obviously they fell into areally good defense and and you
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know, now he's got SaquonBarkley.
I'm sorry, the main coaching.
I imagine the coaching scriptis don't screw it up, you don't
have to get too creative.
But yeah, definitely a top 10guy, but he's in Philly.
So I mean it's one day theylove you and next day they want
to kill you.
So I mean it's a tough market,regardless of what he's going to
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do.
I mean I hate to see what'sgoing to happen when he loses it
, if, if he loses the Superbowl,what they're going to say about
him now?
So, but good coach, really goodcoach, Sure, what do you say,
kurt?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I would say certainly top 10 and certainly on the
rise.
If they can win on Sunday, Ithink that that keeps moving him
up the ladder a lot.
But yeah, I think you know his.
You know he's off to a greatstart and has worked well with
the roster he's got.
But to Jose's point, you knowthe elite guys can do it
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anywhere and work with theplayers that they have in those
programs, so but where he's atright now he's certainly doing a
fantastic job and, like I said,if he wins Sunday he's
definitely moving up.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What do you say, Coach Worrell?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I'm going to give you my standard controversial
answer to this.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh God, I can only imagine.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Whether it's football , basketball, baseball.
Right now, sirianni's,according to the media, top
three, top five coach.
They have a nice roster on bothsides of the ball.
Some things are going their way.
Next year at this time he mightnot be in the top ten.
The way things go For the timebeing the media and everybody
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he's a top five guy.
Right now he's in the SuperBowl.
Why not?
Next year could be a differentstory talking about him valid.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
What do you say, coach mummy?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
well, I'm kind of like coach world.
I you know what'd you just say.
He's been in the NFCchampionship game twice and the
Super Bowl twice.
Now, well, you got to put himin the top three or so.
But I will say this you know,bill Walsh was a real good
friend of mine.
His first three years in SanFrancisco he was ready to jump
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off the Golden Gate Bridge.
I mean, they didn't do anything, and then all of a sudden they
win three Super Bowls.
It's a long climb up thiscoaching deal and you're only as
good as your last day.
We have a saying on our teams isjust play the next play, and
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that's all we do, and so I thinkhe's done a great job and I
hope he continues.
I do think Sunday is a big dayjob and I hope he continues.
I do think Sunday is a big dayfor him and Jalen Hurts, because
you've got Jalen going againstPatrick.
One of them could become thefirst guy to win three Super
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Bowls in a row and the other onecould become the guy to lose
too.
So it's a really high mountainand the fall is really great.
So I wish him luck and I thinkhe's doing a great job.
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But that's this business.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It doesn't get any it doesn't get any softer,
absolutely.
And you know I think about thisand I go back to what Bill
Parcells said your record is whoyou are and that that is
exactly the truth.
Um, I think when you look atSirianni, you know he he's had a
fantastic four years.
I think he'll continue to dothat.
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He's built the right way.
I would say if you're lookingat rankings, he has to be
probably closer to top five.
I would say I mean, withMcCarthy being out now, you have
to say it's Reed, for as muchas I don't like him, I think
he's so overrated Reed.
Um, for as much as I don't likehim, I think he's so overrated.
Tomlin is in there, uh,sirianni.
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Um, kyle Shanahan has to be inthere as well with what you know
he's done.
And and probably you would saymaybe, um, uh, john Harbaugh
having the Super Bowl as well,probably.
They're all probably in thatmix, um, somewhere with with one
another.
But I always go back to whatBill Parcells said You're as
good as what your record saysyou are, and the record says
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he's whatever, 13-win team,14-win team and playing for a
Super Bowl championship.
But to Jose's point.
I want to go back to this andI'm going to get on my little
tangent here, and then we'regoing to move on, because it is
ride-home rants.
If I want to see the success ofsomebody, do it over multiple
teams, right, like someone likeMike McCarthy did win with two
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teams, right?
Bill Parcells won with twoteams.
The general Tom Coughlin wonwith two teams.
Guys that can win with twoteams, that's awesome.
Sometimes you stay one place toolong and it gets stale, and
then, yeah, you win, but you'renot really winning right,
because are you doing it withsomewhere else?
Are you drafting people to besuccessful, and all those things
(23:34):
?
That's why I don't like miketomlin, because mike tomlin has
gotten stale.
Sure, he wins, that's fine, butthe other thing is, though can
mike tomlin win at that samerate with other teams?
That's the thing.
Mike Tomlin has not drafted aHall of Famer.
Bill Cowher drafted six Hall ofFamers, potentially six Hall of
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Famers that Mike Tomlininherited.
Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl inhis second year with 18
starters from Bill Cowher's-ledteams.
So that's my tangent for theday about Mike Tomlin.
We're going back to the SuperBowl though.
So, bill, we're going to gowith you on this one.
Who wins this game and what'sthe score?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Oh, getting to the hard-hitting questions now.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's hard to follow up after my rant about why I
don't think Mike Tomlin's good.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong and I don'tdisagree with you either.
But as a Browns fan, going 500might do something for me.
We could put a point underneaththat.
So maybe consistency isn't allthat bad, Fetty.
But for the game prediction,I'm going to say Mahomes gets it
done and we go Chiefs.
I don't think it's crazy highscoring.
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I think the defense has kind ofshow up.
It'll be like 24, 21 chiefssomewhere in there.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Jose, what do you say ?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I think Philly is going to try to slow the game
down with the run and try totry to piss pound them, you know
, and and just beat the life outof that defense.
But I, I just, you know, myhomes and Kelsey are kind of
like the modern day Brady andGrock.
You know, they, they, theystumble through the season some
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good games, some bad games, andpeople, oh, they're not the same
and they get to that playoffman and they just hit that
button and it's just a different.
They're different guys.
Because I mean, if you look atKelsey during the season, he's
just an abomination.
He really is, you know,dropping passes, bad routes,
missed blocks, and then he comesto the playoffs and he's got
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the cape on.
So I agree, I don't think it'sgoing to be a high-scoring thing
, you know, I'd say it's like a28-21 Chiefs win, because I mean
, I just don't think, I don'tthink Philly's going to want to
get into a shootout with Mahomesand I think they're going to
try to slow it down with Saquon.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, what do you say , coach Barth?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, well, I might be talking with my heart here, I
think, but I'd like to see, Iwould say Philadelphia 27-24.
To your point that's beenmentioned, I think that they try
to grind it out and beefficient with their offense and
, you know, just try to keep theChiefs offense off the field as
long as they can.
But I think ultimately it'sgoing to come down to, you know,
them getting the run gameestablished, taking care of the
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football.
That's always going to be a key.
Whoever makes the costlymistake, mistake, and every
mistake can cost you.
But if it costs you points,it's going to be a little bit
more critical.
So whoever can avoid that?
But I'd you know I'm going togo with Philly 27-24.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Okay, what do you say , mike?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You know I like this answer, fetty.
I probably said this to youbefore and we've argued and
debated this.
I coach a lot of gamesbasketball close to 500.
Coach Mummies coach a lot ofgames.
In my career, 40% to 50% havecome down to the last minute or
two.
The NFL has magnified evenfurther in these playoff games
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where it's coming down to theend.
One big play, one bad play, abad call, something happens,
your field goal kicker hits youupright.
I've debated this with Fitty.
In these games fate comes intoplay a lot of times.
I know both teams are prepared,all the coaches know what
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they're doing on that level, thecollege and pro level.
And uh, and fitty doesn't agreewith me when I say fate gets
involved in a lot of these games.
At the end, when crazy thingshappen, you know a big play or a
big fumble.
I've lived that with the brownsall my life.
You know bad things happeningat the end.
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And with that being said, fetty, I'm going to take the Eagles
23-20 and a twist of fate,something happening in the last
couple minutes to make thatscore 23-20.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, Okay, good one there, Mike.
What do you say, Coach Mike?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Well, I kind of agree with Jose and Mike, both.
I think this comes down to awill of quarterbacks, and you've
got one guy who's won two SuperBowls and is already a Hall of
Fame guy, and you've got anotherguy that wants to be there and
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the other guy has Saquon Barkleyin the backfield and I'm going
to go with the Eagles.
But I'm kind of like Mike, I'mlike 23-21 or something you know
.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Okay, I'm going to go , I'm going to pick the Eagles
on this.
I got to pick the Eaglesbecause, because, you know,
sirianni is a division three guy, he mountain union guy, you
know, we, we we've all kind ofbeen around that, that that
small college game.
You know there's a lot of greatcoaches that are have players
who have transitioned to coachesfrom there.
Uh, bill belichick, you know aswell as a d3 guy.
(29:04):
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna pullfor my d3 guy, um, you know, and
he went to mountain union, sonot far away from here.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna pullfor my d3 guy, um, you know, and
he went to mountain union, sonot far away from here.
So I'm gonna pick the eagles,uh, 21, 17 in this and sirianni,
uh getting it done, uh, for allthe d3 people out there.
So, um, that's gonna be kind ofmy pick on there.
So, bill, I'm gonna go back toyou on this and my after my rant
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about the coaches.
And, you know, mike Tomlin notgetting it done.
You know, andy Reid has got itdone right, he's got it done
with two teams.
He's been to, I think,something like nine AFC or NFC
championship games during thattime.
Multiple Super Bowls now withboth teams.
So in your opinion, bill and Iknow you're a little bit younger
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uh, the group here.
Where does andy reed rank rightnow for you?
Is it top five all time?
Is it top 10 all time?
As an nfl coach, what do youthink?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
uh, like you said, I definitely have not been around
for some of the the old headcoaches, but, um, obviously I've
heard a ton about him and knowthe resumes, but I would say
obviously, in my opinion,definitely top 10.
I think if we can add anotherSuper Bowl here for Andy Reid
and I don't know if he's doneanytime really soon, I think he
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can creep into top five rangeAgain.
A ton of great coaches outthere Been a long history in the
NFL but I think he's definitelyone of the greats and
definitely Hall of Famer very,very likely.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But, jose, before I get to you, I'm going to throw
mine out here because I'm goingto bring back some of the old
school for everybody.
So I would say, you knowthere's Belichick is one, and
then I'm going to just get throwsome other names out there.
You have Chuck Knoll four foursuper bowls in six years.
You have tom landry, 29 years,three super bowls, I believe,
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six appearances.
You have don schula, nfl'sall-time uh winningest coach
ever.
You have curly lambo.
You have vince lombardi uh, youhave, you know, guys, guys of
that um stature as well.
I would even say I wouldconsider what Bill Cowher did
during his time close to a top10 coach.
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You have the general TomCoughlin, the only guy to beat
Tom Brady in the Super Bowltwice.
You have him.
You have Mike Shanahan as well.
You have Dan Reeves, who wentto four super bowls.
You have um marv levy, who wentto four super bowls as well.
There's a lot of great uh youknow coaches out there that you
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can compare them with.
So, just throwing some of themnames out there, you know for us
, um cow's buddy.
You know, uh, bill walsh.
You have george seaford as well.
So, jose, where does Andy Reidfall in amongst all those guys.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
How do I follow that?
Really, it's like wow, you knowwhat I mean.
I think he's a top five coachfor a lot of reasons, but the
main reason is because of theadjustments he had to have made
off the field.
I mean, think about all thoseguys you mentioned who are
awesome coaches.
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I mean, I mean I lived throughthe seventies, you know, through
the Steelers and and theeighties and the 49ers and the
nineties with the Cowboys.
But think about it.
He's got to deal with socialmedia, he's got to deal with
cell phones, he's got to dealwith gender identity.
He's got to deal with all thisstuff and he did it for a long
time.
You know what I mean and a lotof the coaches you mentioned
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didn't have to deal with allthat.
You know what I mean and andthere's so many different like
there's positions now, like myposition at FIU, I'm a general
manager at a at FBS school anddidn't exist, I mean.
And so there's there he's at 60, some odd years old, 65 years
old.
He has lived through a lot ofthe changes of the of the game
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itself, on and off the field,and has been successful, and I
don't know how many coaches cansay that.
You know that, that they'vedone it.
You know, and, like you said, Ithink Chuck Knoll I mean, I was
a Steelers fan at a in the 70s,just like everybody else, but
they were all bing, bing, bing,bing, bing, bing, bing, I mean
and he spread his out over sometime to where he he had the
suffrage in philadelphia.
Man, they, they, he couldn't,he was the buffalo bills of the,
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the nfc.
You know he couldn't get itdone.
And now he's in kansas city and, like I said, living through um
social media and and all thechanges in this world, he's got
to be a top five guy justbecause he's handled changes and
adversities that not a lot ofcoaches have seen.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's a great great point on that.
You know, as society haschanged and the game has changed
and technology has changed he'sone of those guys that's just
adapted with that, kurt.
What would you say about that?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I'm glad Jose had to follow up that because he made a
lot of very good points.
You know, I do think that youknow from my time frame, he's
certainly a top three coach.
But as you start to go back inthe earlier days of football,
absolutely there's a lot of guysthat you could make an argument
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for and put them certainlyahead of him.
But I don't know, I guess fromthe past or previous years, as
many coaches had to deal withstaff turnover as much as maybe
what Andy Reid has had to.
It seems like every year yourtop teams, they're going to pick
your coordinators, they'regoing to take position coaches,
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and they're gonna.
They're gonna pick yourcoordinators, they're gonna take
position coaches and they'regonna move on.
So I think just his ability toadapt year in, year out, putting
staff together, shows he's afantastic leader.
He's put, he's put his teams inchampionship levels everywhere.
He's been and and on aconsistent basis.
So you know, he's obviously agreat leader and and builds his
staff up, coaches them up to putthem in good spots as well as
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his team.
So yeah, I think you know,certainly like from from this
era, he's definitely in that, inthat top top few spots.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, what about you, Mike, and I know you, you're
not into the whole rankingcoaches thing, Mike, and you
know you and I have had thesepersonal conversations a lot and
I know you think MartySchottenheimer should be in the
Hall of Fame and I think a lotof people would agree and some
people would disagree with thattoo.
I'm sure you would probably sayhe's even close to top 10
regular season.
But, Mike, Andy Reid, wheredoes he fall for you?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I always thought Andy Reid was a very good coach when
he was at Philadelphia, verygood coach when he was at
Philadelphia and I think,regardless if he's won these
last two, if he did not winthese last two Super Bowls at
Kansas City, I still think he's,you know, one of the all-time
great coaches.
I think a lot of people basegreatness on.
Did they win the Super Bowl?
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They win the NBA title.
There's a lot of NBA playersand coaches that great players,
great coaches that never won atitle.
They're still hall of famers.
I mean there's a lot of NFLgreat players, great coaches,
not just Marty Schottenheimer.
There's been other coaches thathave really been good coaches
in the NFL, just could not,could not get there and get that
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big win.
But in my book, winning theSuper Bowl does not to me
guarantee that guy was anall-time great coach.
They were for that year.
But I thought Andy Reid was agreat coach before he was
winning Super Bowls when he waswith the Eagles.
So if he loses this game Sunday, he's still, you know, a top 10
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or 20 coach of all time in myopinion, You've been around the
game a long time.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You've seen the innovation and you've seen the
changes and you've worked with alot of people and coached
number one draft pick in the NFLand numerous football players
that have went on to havesuccessful careers in the NFL
and got to know a lot of NFLcoaches.
What would you say about AndyReid's ranking on this?
Well?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
I'm going to go back to my experience a little bit,
because we built the air raidoffense off of Lavelle Edwards,
mouse Davis and Bill Walsh.
I just blatantly stole ideasfrom those three guys and I did
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it over a series of years.
The only smart thing I did wasI kept going back to those three
guys.
I didn't go to anybody else toscrew me up.
So that's how it got built.
That's how Mike Leach had acareer.
That's how Dana Holgerson had acareer.
That's how Sonny Dice has had acareer.
That's how Mike Leach had acareer.
That's how Dana Holgerson had acareer.
That's how Sonny Dyches had acareer.
That's how Neil Brown's had acareer.
All these guys, chris Hatcher,they've all had careers because
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of that.
And Andy, to me, is in the topfive because he was trained by
Lavelle Edwards and it has shown, as I've seen, this over
decades now, because I startedgoing to BYU in 1987 to study In
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1985, I was the offensecoordinator at UTEP and we beat
them when they were the numberone team in the nation and so
they invited me to come visit.
So I took a high school job inTexas and then I went up there
and visited every year for about10 years, twice a year, and so
I saw what Lavelle was doing.
Andy Reid winning a third SuperBowl will be a tribute to
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Lavelle Edwards and that's theway I feel.
Tribute to Lavelle Edwards andthat's the way I feel.
And you know, I hope he canpull it off.
I do, but he's definitely inthe top five.
I mean, how can you if you winthree Super Bowls in a row?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
who else has done that?
Sure, sure, you know that's agreat point and I think if I
don't go on, I'm not going to goon another tangent here to save
everybody the time, but I wouldsay probably, if I'm going to
rank my top five and then we'regoing to go on to the next
question, I'm going to sayBelichick is one.
I got to say Don Shula isprobably two.
The man had success with theBaltimore Colts and the Miami
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Dolphins and had the onlyundefeated team in NFL history
and won back-to-back Super Bowls.
Granted, he had a lot of greatplayers, you know, but he had
the no-name defense, you know,and Zonka and those guys too.
So I would say, you know, he'sprobably right there.
I would say Landry is threebecause he built the Cowboys of
what they are today is off theback of of Tom Landry.
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I would probably have to sayVince Lombardi is, for I mean,
it is Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
You know who you're not mentioning is Weeb Eubanks.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Weeb Eubanks Great coach.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
He won the NFL championship at Baltimore and
then he went to the New YorkJets who were the New York
Titans before he went there themost pathetic team in pro
football.
And then, in what three or fouryears, he has Joe Namath and
wins the Super Bowl when nobodythinks the AFL can do that.
(40:01):
I'm the only one old enough toremember all this, but Wee View
Banks was a brilliant coach anda brilliant guy.
He needs to be ranked in theresomewhere.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You know what?
I didn't even, I didn't eventhink of him, coach mommy, and
you know what I mean.
I'm, and I'm, a Jets fan.
I've been a Jets fan my wholelife and I've suffered being a
Jets fan my whole life.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Well, you suffered ever since we've retired.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
You know that's, that's valid, you know.
But I would say, you know he'sup there, but I to me Andy
Reed's probably number five.
I would say he's, he's probablynumber five in there.
I just think it's really hardto say right now he could be
better than those other guysjust because of the longevity,
also with one team of Landry,you know, and Don Shula.
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But it was great, great pointon that.
You know as well, mike, you'regoing to throw something in here
.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, I was going to tell coach mommy I.
I remember that I cried as akid my dad is an NFL guy yeah,
when the jets, when the jetsbeat them that day, it was a
devastating blow to the NFL.
I was like nine years old.
I cried like a baby.
Today I think it's great, butat the time you know, oh yeah,
oh yeah, a terrible offense.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Weeb was great at being simple in terms of offense
, and so his players always knewexactly what to do, and when
Namath made all his famousstatements, you know before the
game that we're going to win.
He knew that because they knewthey were exactly what to do in
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any situation against the Colts,and of course, we even coached
the Colts a few years before.
So I mean, it wasn't like wedidn't know the personnel.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know, and we'll go to the next question buddy, a
young Jets assistant was thelegendary Buddy Ryan.
Know the personnel.
You know, you know, and uh, andwe'll go to the next question
buddy, a young jets assistantwas the legendary buddy ryan,
the father of rex ryan right onon that team, and rob ryan as
well, and man, I wish rex ryanwould have got the jets job
again this year that would havebeen awesome.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
but you know, rob and I were roommates for a month in
a sprint.
Every night we drank beer andargued over what we were going
to do with each other the nextday and I learned so much about
the 46 defense from Rob.
He is a great coach and I'mglad he went out there with
Lincoln Riley to USC.
I'm glad to see him out there.
It's going to help themimmensely.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, no, that's great.
See, you have Coach Mummy onand we find out all types of
coaching stories, so I'm gladeverybody you know gets to hear
this.
This is a funner question,though, for everybody.
So, taking the game out of theequation, right?
Taking the game out of theequation.
What are you more lookingforward to?
The halftime show or all thecommercials, bill?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Commercials.
For me Just there's differentvarieties, varieties.
I feel like the halftime showshit or miss.
I feel like varying, uh,opinions always on that.
But the commercials I think arealways kind of funny, keep you
engaged, um, keep you kind oftied in.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
So I'll say commercial okay, what about you,
jose I?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
am.
I like the music, you know, notso much the performances, if
that makes sense, you know themusic's good, but I'm always a
commercial guy because theyalways make me laugh.
So I'm a sucker for thecommercials.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
What about you, Coach Barth?
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Definitely commercials, definitely
commercials.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
What about you, Mike?
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Betty, I'm all about the game, Commercials.
I'll go to the bathroom or getsomething to eat at halftime,
I'll go outside or do somethingand all I care about is the game
commercials.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll go to the bathroom or get something to eat
at halftime.
I'll go outside or do somethingand I all I care about is the
game.
That's great, mike.
What about you, coach?
Speaker 6 (43:38):
mommy, I'm definitely with mike.
We're both old and so we haveto go to the bathroom.
A lot commercials provide thatoccasionally.
I come in and catch the end ofone funny one and think, oh well
, I should have seen that wouldhave been funny.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
And, and halftime I definitely skip, because that's
a we could either eat or orwhatever okay, I always like the
commercials they used to do,all those uh like budweiser
horse commercials those arealways, those are always great.
They're playing football and theone horse, um, he gets left out
and they have the dog train himlike Rocky and he's running
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with the train tied to him andall that stuff.
So big Rocky fan had my Rockymug on with my hat here today,
looking like I was going boxingor something.
So one of the final twoquestions I want to ask you guys
is this First one Bill, we'regoing to go with you.
Would the Eagles still be herewithout Saquon Barkley?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
no, I don't think so.
I, I don't think so.
I mean it's so tough to gethere and I think he's just been
such a pivotal part of the teamall year long you look at the
regular season obviously justkind of built that offense
through him this year, um, so Idon't know, tough to say, but I
think he's been that pivotalthat I have to say no okay, jose
(44:56):
, what would you say on this?
Speaker 3 (44:58):
absolutely not.
No, I mean, jalen hurts isn'tenough to carry that team.
I mean that's why they had toget aj brown and they got smith
as a receiver.
I mean he could throw the ballall day but, um, you know, you
get down to that end zone andcoach mummy can tell you it's
like putting a watermelon in abunny hole, you know you've got
to be able to run the ball.
And now you got a guy who, I'mshocked the giants staff is
(45:22):
still there by letting him goaway.
And you, you got to he I don't,I'm not gonna say a general
generational player, but he'shad a generational season, you
know, and and um, for him to gothere and take it.
It's almost, it's almostreminiscent to me of of watching
farve when he played withadrian peterson.
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Adrian peterson was the mostpopular guy with the vikings for
however long he was there,until Favre got there.
And you know, anybody who'scoached knows if you're going to
play them, you're going to loadthe box.
Favre's going to kill you.
You back off, adrian's going tokill you.
And that's what you got withPhiladelphia.
And so I mean, I don't know howmuch money Saquon is making,
but Jalen Hurts needs to sharesome of his millions with him,
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because he would not be thereagain without him.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
No question.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Coach, coach Barth, I'm curious to hear from you
because, if I'm not mistaken,you went to college as a running
back and transitioned toreceiver.
So I'm kind of curious to hearfrom, like, the offensive
perspective here of you.
Would Saquon or sorry, wouldthe Eagles be there without
Saquon or not?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, I hate to disappoint you, but I definitely
agree with Bill and Jose.
I mean, I think their offensiveline is definitely strong, one
of the best at top in the league.
You know, jalen Hurts iscertainly a quality quarterback,
talented receiving core, but atthe end of the day, they've
relied on Saquon to to do a lotof the work for him and uh to
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get the big yards, make bigplays.
I don't think you can just plugany other running back in
behind him and have the samesuccess.
I mean he, he is, uh, he is atrue talent that uh has
separated himself from others inthe league, obviously, and and
it's uh yeah.
I don't think that uh, they'dbe there without him.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
And I was right on that.
Didn't you go to college as arunning back and then went to
receiver?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
I did, I did, I uh about two weeks in the camp.
We had a guy get hurt and theymoved me out and uh ended up
being a good situation for me.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And a great situation for yourureka football.
Look up everybody.
Kurt Barth, hall of Famer forEureka College.
Shout out to that multiple timea thousand yard receiver, uh,
hall of Famer, and multiple time, uh, all-american.
So a little shout out for CoachBarth there.
He's too humble to admit that,but I'll shout you out, coach
for you.
So thank you.
Oh, you're welcome, mike.
What do you say about this withthe?
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Are the Eagles there with AlSaquon?
Speaker 5 (47:52):
I don't think so.
I mean, you never know.
I think they could run the ballto a certain extent with
whoever they have there, but notlike they are with him.
The way he's playing right now.
I mean he was great with theGiants.
I mean it's no surprise whathe's doing with the Eagles.
So I'd say no.
And when you get back to CoachBarth you have to.
You know he had one of the bestNCAA Division III running backs
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of all time there.
For when?
my daughter you know, mydaughter played volleyball at
Eureka and knows Coach Barth,and when you get back to him ask
him about how many yards andhow many touchdowns his great
running back had, which probablythree years ago.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Well, you know what, mike?
I actually know that becauseLee Anthony was a guest on this
show, courtesy of Kurt Barth'snephew Drew getting him on for
us.
So yeah, there you go with theEureka connection right there.
Definitely know, and I believeLee Anthony's still playing
overseas.
Last I knew he was like inFinland playing, I believe.
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So, coach Mommy, what do yousay?
I already know the answerbecause you said it.
But are the Eagles therewithout Barkley?
Speaker 6 (49:01):
No, not at all, and I agree with what everything's
been said.
I mean they you know it waskind of weird the Eagles knew
how to use Saquon because theyhad Jalen At the Giants.
They had Saquon but they had aguy who couldn't do what Jalen
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could do what Jalen could do.
And so now when you play theEagles you have to worry about
two running backs in a four-widesituation.
So, defensively, thosecoordinators they're pulling
their hair out, they really are,and I'm sure Kansas City's
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doing that tonight.
But no, I agree with whateverybody else said and you know
that's why I picked the Eagles.
Like I told you before, myheartstring is really with the
Chiefs, but I'm picking theEagles because I just think they
have the revenge factor intheir minds.
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You have the Jalen Hurts I wantto be in the elite quarterback
factor in their minds and theyhave Saquon Barkley and the
Chiefs don't.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
That's fair.
The last one here I'm going tosay I'm going to give my answer
first.
Let you guys think about this.
But would the Chiefs let merephrase this who is literally
the most important person forthe Chiefs and the reason
they're here?
Is it Mahomes at thequarterback?
Is it Andy Reid as the headcoach?
Or is it Steve Spagnolia, thefour-time Super Bowl champion
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defensive coordinator, makingthis thing go?
Out?
Of those three guys, who is thereason the Chiefs are who they
are?
If you think about replacingone of them, I'm going to say
it's Andy Reed, because withoutAndy Reed, these guys aren't who
they are.
The guys that have left AndyReid's team and become head
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coaches as assistants have nowcome back because they couldn't
make it.
That is the way that I can tellthat Andy Reid has had total
control over that team, butSpagnolia is pretty close
because he is a four-timewinning Super Bowl champion
defensive coordinator.
Bill, what do you say on this?
Those three guys Mahomes, spags, reed who makes this thing go?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
This is the age-old tough question.
Going back to Brady Belichickand what really matters, I'm
going to say Mahomes here.
I'm going to say because youlook at Andy, andy Reed's career
, kind of coming fromPhiladelphia he's always been
great.
But I think when you get thattop tier, generational type
quarterback, they're able tojust find a way to win the game
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at the end when the game reallymatters big time players make
big time plays in big time games.
So I think that's what's kindof made them into the super bowl
winning kind of franchiserecently is with my homes.
I think would have had greatteams and may have been around
there without him, but he kindof gets the.
I just think kind of puts themover the top, gets those super
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bowls done, cause he just makesit happen in the game.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Jose, I say my homes, and I, as a, what do you say
Jose?
I say Mahomes.
And as a coach, you knowthere's I was told there's
there's good coaches, butthey're the good coaches always.
You know, like they said,there's great players and good
coaches.
Let great players be great.
And you look at Andy Reed.
I mean he's had Alex Smith, whowas a good quarterback.
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He had Donovan McNabb, goodquarterback, and he did nothing
close to what he's doing withPat Mahomes.
And I just think, when you're abeneficiary of talent Nick
Sirianni, we just talked abouthim how does he rank as a coach?
But he was a beneficiary ofhaving somebody lace his team,
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you know, with some good talent.
I mean it reminds me of MattLaFleur.
You know he fell into thePackers with Aaron Rogers and
now you know Jordan Love.
There's not a lot of strugglethere.
I mean you basically go therenot to screw it up and I
remember hearing an interviewwith Andy Reid talking about
that that you know he's stillthe same guy.
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You know he's still the same guycalling the.
You know some plays, but he'sgot a different tool with
Patrick Mahomes, who's a totallydifferent quarterback than Alex
Smith and and Donovan McNabb.
And when you, when you say that, I mean, is the is his offense
the same?
Was he running the same thingswith Donovan McNabb as he is
with Patrick Mahomes?
And the answer is no, it isn't.
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He's not running thesebackwards passes and these flips
and then all that.
No, you didn't see DonovanMcNabb do that, and so that's
why I said it's players.
The league is made up ofplayers, and I've always been
behind that and I think greatcoaches, you know, let great
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players be great, as opposed totry to change them.
So that's, that's my take on itsure that's valid.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
And it goes back to my mike tomlin thing.
He inherited big ben correcthere.
Did all those great playersright?
Tomlin didn't have any of anysay in any of that.
He inherited all of them.
They were drafted by Cowher.
There's my rant again.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I tapped the stake on the head with that one, didn't
I?
Speaker 1 (54:32):
You know and if anything you know, if he ever
gets, if he ever does get firedwhich hopefully next year he
does tell my guy Heinz Ward loveHeinz Ward.
I know that's your buddy Tellhim to go be Distillers head
coach.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Oh, he wants to run it back full circle.
He wants to be trust me.
He does.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
So, um, that's a just fun fact right there, jose
coached, uh, with Heinz Ward fora few years and Heinz Ward,
former New York jets assistantcoach.
So, um, you know, coach Barth,you've been a head coach for you
know a long time on, for youknow a long time on, you know
numerous levels and you've hadsome record-setting players and
you've had some some great, uh,you know assistant coaches and
you're you're a great head coachyourself.
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So, in your opinion, where isthis falling with the eagles?
Is it spags as a defensivecoordinator?
Is it andy reed or is itmahomes?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
well, I think it kind of goes back to the first
question we had who the x factorwas, uh, for the teams or for
the game?
Even and and Mahomes wasbrought up, and you know, I
certainly think, you know acoach's job is to to give guys,
put the guys in the right spots,give them opportunities.
But at the end of the day, theguys on the field have to make a
play, and Mahomes has done thatin multiple crunch situations,
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you know, throughout his career.
So you know, I, I think, so Ithink I would rest with him.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Okay, All right, Mike , you're up.
Give me your basketball analogyon this.
Mike, Give me your basketballanalogy.
I know you're going to pull oneout here and I can't wait to
hear it.
Speaker 5 (56:00):
This is going to be a basic answer.
Fetty, I'd say Mahomes, hepulls out plays at the end of
the games.
But I want to say, when theiroffense struggled the first half
of the year, their defense hasbeen the best it's been.
I think this year.
If you're giving Spagnola thecredit or the players, whoever
but the Chiefs' defense is thefirst 8-10 games is what won
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them, pulled them through.
When the chiefs defense is thefirst eight 10 games, what won
them?
Pulled them through when thechiefs offense was kind of
struggling at that time.
Now, now they're playing betterand they got the combination
good defense and my homes.
You know the offense isclicking.
So I don't know if I reallyanswered your question, but I I
know their defense has been thebest it's been this year.
No, that's, that's valid, mike,but I know their defense has
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been the best it's been thisyear.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
No, that's valid, mike.
And Mike, I want to throw twoquick basketball things out.
We're going to go to how andthen we're going to finish this
up.
So, number one, mike in youropinion, does Pat Riley win
those championships with theLakers, with Magic Johnson?
If he doesn't have Magic, doeshe still win those titles?
No way, okay, that's all Iwanted to know with that.
And the second thing is uh,mike, I and I believe Jose have
(57:08):
this story correct, but Joseplayed a little bit of
basketball out in Phoenix onetime with, uh, with your guy Dan
Mallory, is that how you say?
His?
Speaker 5 (57:17):
name Marley.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
Mike's a big.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Mike's a big fan.
Jose got to play some pickupwith him a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Dan Marley, barkley, kj.
And it was.
It was a great time.
And what I was going to sayreally quick was, you know,
being a court being acoordinator, play caller, good
coaches call good plays.
Great coaches call on players.
And you know Andy recalls on Imean, let's be real on on when
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they played Buffalo on fourthdown, you knew patrick holmes
was gonna bootleg that ball.
He wasn't gonna give it toanybody and that's that's
calling on a player, not a play.
But that's why he's an x factorto me.
But that's that's just my take,sorry no, no, that that's fair.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Just one other thing too.
You know, andy reed, though,has has, in all honesty, had
great defensive coordinators.
You know, spags, he had seanmcdermott, head coach of buffalo
bills, and, um, rest in peaceum, jim johnson from the eagles,
for a long time as well.
So andy reed's also always hadgreat defensive coordinators.
So, um, how you going to roundthis out on?
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Uh, on this one?
Speaker 6 (58:26):
if you're still there , um okay.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Is it Andy Reed?
Is it spags, you know?
Is it?
Speaker 6 (58:32):
we're talking about for this game, right.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
It making this whole thing go, not just this game,
the season and, you know, thisrun that they've had to win the
super bowl.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
It's on spags, because he has to get
Philadelphia off the field.
And you got Saquon and you gotJalen and you got the revenge
factor in their minds.
And then you got Kansas cityand you got the.
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Okay, it's not a revenge factor, it's a we can be the only ones
to have ever done this factor.
So it comes down to betweenJalen and Patrick, Jalen and
Patrick.
So if Spaggs can getPhiladelphia off the field three
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times in the first half and twoor three times in the second
half and I'm talking like threeand outs or something then
Patrick wins.
Okay, If he can't do that, thenJalen and Saquon are going to
wear them out and I don't knowwhat the score would be from
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that, but if they wear them outit could be a two-score game,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Okay, well, thank you for sharing that and thank you
to all of you for, you know,coming on this, this show.
It's been a lot of fun talkingabout the super bowl preview and
the big game here coming upbetween the eagles and the
chiefs.
You know, hearing a lot ofdifferent sides, hearing a lot
of funny stories going off onsome tangents and it's all.
What about ride home rants isfor the listeners out there, uh,
(01:00:21):
to the legends of the show, thelegendary how mummy, uh, you
know, and everything that you'vedone in your career.
Coach, thank you for being on uhlegendary, legendary mike whirl
uh for being on, given thebasketball perspective of things
uh.
The all-american kurt barth andall his numerous, numerous
success olympic hopeful.
Jose jefferson, the new generalmanager of the fiu football
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team.
And the legend Bill Stoid, mrWestside Cleveland, himself out
here spinning all the news forus, knowing all the things about
all the things.
So that's going to do it forthis week's episode of the Ride
Home Rants podcast.
As always, if you enjoyed theshow, be a friend and tell a
friend, and if you didn't likeit, tell them anyways, because I
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This is Fitty signing off.
(01:01:05):
We'll see you next week, thanks.
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home
Rants podcast.
This is your special guest,host Fitty, and I'm filling in
for Mike Bono.
Today, as we bring you theSuper Bowl preview of the Chiefs
and the Eagles in the rematchfrom a couple years ago, I have
a great panel of guests who havecome from all facets of
football and sports backgroundsto talk to you today.
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First and foremost, make sureyou peep all the sponsors in the
pre-roll and the post-roll, asthey're all small business
owners and they're greatsupporters of this show.
Without further ado, I'm goingto introduce the legends on the
call today and they're going tobreak down this game.
But, guys, when you introduceyourselves, you're going to tell
everybody what you do or whatyou've done, and then who's the
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most intense person you've evercoached with or played for?
So, bill Stoy, start us out.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's going on, guys ?
Bill, like Finney justmentioned, currently a
pharmaceutical sales rep.
As far as most intense coachI've ever been around,
definitely Coach Hurdley, ourdefensive coordinator,
austintown Fish, when I playedthere.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Jose You're on mute.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Jose, there we go.
Jose Jefferson Currently I'mthe general manager of Florida
International.
Jose, there we go.
Jose Jefferson Currently I'mthe general manager of Florida
International University, all'sup, and probably the most
intense person I've mostlyprobably been around and you'd
be surprised is probably WillMcClay.
That's executive vice presidentof the Cowboys right now player
personnel In the Arena League.
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He was intense man, I mean meantotally different than what he
is now, but great guy, but uh,it's just kind of weird to see
him kind of mellow, so okay kurt.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
How's it going um kurt barth?
I'm currently at washingtoncommunity high school in
washington, illinois.
Uh, most intense person I wasaround in football.
I played for John Tully when Iwas at Eureka College as a
student athlete.
John was a very intense coach,very well in tune with
everything that was going on,and he kept you on your toes.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Mike.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yes, mike Worrell, I coached college basketball for
many years Ashland University inOhio, college of Worcester in
Ohio I'm from Ohio, that's whereI grew up.
And then I was head coach atIllinois College 22 years and
back east at Bethany Collegewith Fitty there, for I was
there for four and a half yearsand, um, as a young assistant
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coach, I worked for a couple,you know, several high intensity
head coaches roger lions atashland I was with first and he
had played there for billmuscleman, so he was a bill
muscleman clone.
I was actually scared to deathat least the first three or four
months working for roger, butbut after that it was like one
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of the greatest experiences Iever had working for him.
And then I was at college atworcester with steve moore uh
regarded as one of the mostintense college basketball
coaches on on any level and he,I think, third all-time winning.
I think he's won 880 games andhe retired like three years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So I would say those two coaches that I work for Okay
, and for everybody that doesn'tknow, mike is the only
basketball coach in NCAA historyto have the slam dunk champion
at any level coaching atdivision three and having a
division three basketball teambeat a division one basketball
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team.
So Mike is the only coach inNCAA history to accomplish that
feat.
I just want to throw that outthere.
Yeah, and then finally, uh how?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yeah, how mummy I've been.
The we're currently on thepresident and head football
coach of the san antoniocaballeros in the soon to be
known about internationalfootball alliance.
We're playing developmentalfootball in the summer for guys
so they can get back to get tothe nfl or get back to the nfl
uh kick off may 31st and we playthrough uh the end of j July.
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Check us out on TV.
We'll have like 100 million TVsets in America.
Lights Out Sports is doing us,so if you've got that on your
streaming, check it out on that.
We're also in Mexico, australia, new Zealand and parts of
Europe and South America.
So it'll be pretty goodpublicity for these guys.
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Anyway, most intense person, ofcourse I've been the head coach.
Everybody would say I was themost intense, probably.
But besides me or Mike Leach, Ithink, jeff Snedeker, who was
my middle linebacker at Kentuckyin the late 90s.
And Snedeker, the first time Iever met him, walked in my
office, sat down in a chair infront of me, looked me straight
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in the late nineties.
And Snedeker, the first time Iever met him, walked in my
office, sat down in a chair infront of me, looked at me,
looked me straight in the eyeand said I'm the best linebacker
on your team.
This is when I first got thejob.
And and he, he turned out hewas right.
And then, uh, a couple of yearslater, we're.
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We're trying to get to the firstNew Year's Day bowl game
they've been to in 50-somethingyears.
We're playing Mississippi Stateand we're playing at
Mississippi State.
Mississippi State has aquarterback named Wayne Madkin
who is a great athlete but not agreat passer.
The whole week I'm pressed uponhim Just keep him in the pocket
and make him throw.
And it's a really close game.
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It goes back and forth andtowards the end of the game,
wayne gets forced out of thepocket and Snedeker's hunting
him down on the sidelines andI'm screaming at him just push
him out of bounds.
Just because their backupquarterback was a great passer
and we only had a three-point,we only had a two-point lead in
this game.
It's the fourth quarter and soI'm screaming at Snedeker don't
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hit him.
Don't hit him, just push himout of bounds.
Oh, of course not.
Oh no, we take him out at thethigh.
Poor Wayne's laying there onthe sidelines about three feet
from me and I'm looking at himgoing come on, wayne, get up.
You're okay, you can do it.
Hey, haul him off the field.
They put matt wyatt in, who iskind of a famous radio guy
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around mississippi now, and mattwyatt proceeded to pick us
apart for about a 75 yard driveand and uh, they kicked a field
goal on the last play of thegame and Jackie Sherrill beat me
by one point.
So Jeff was very, very intenseand the great thing about Jeff
is he lives near all you guysover there.
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He's a brilliant businessmanand really a great guy.
We went fishing in Alaska a fewyears ago but he's not a great
guy.
We went fishing in Alaska a fewyears ago but he, he, uh, not a
great guy.
Jeff Snedeker, he's from Ohio,played in Kentucky and really
really an intense player.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's, that's awesome.
Thanks for sharing that.
I would say for myself.
Um, you know, probably the mostintense person I've ever been
around is former Bethany headfootball coach, tim Weaver.
Tim came from the division onelevel, came down to a Division
III level where Bethany was 1-27combined.
The three years before I gotthere we went 4-6 my first year
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and he willed us to four wins4-6, 4-6, 3-7, 3-7, winning 14
games during my time there.
So definitely one of the mostintense people I've ever met,
but a great mentor to myself.
So we're here to talk about theSuper Bowl.
We have the rematch from twoyears ago with the Chiefs and
the Eagles kicking off thisSunday and this show will
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preview on Saturday.
So it'll give everybody about aday and a half to listen to
this and get ready for the game.
So we're going to start withyou, bill, on this.
Who is that one person oneither side of the ball, coach,
player, whatever it is, who isthe X factor in this game?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I guess I'll take the easy one.
We'll say Patrick Mahomes.
I think he's the ultimatedifference maker, ultimate
equalizer.
You know, you look at theroster.
I think a lot of people wouldsay Eagles probably got a pretty
loaded roster, but Mahomes cando a Mahomes thing.
So I'll take the easy one offthe board and go with him.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Okay, jose, would you agree with that, or would you
pick somebody else as the Xfactor?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, saquon Barkley all day long.
I mean most rushing yards NFLhistory period.
I mean they don't stop to run.
He's going to run all over themand and I think the chiefs
their fronts good, their defensegood, but you know every, I
just think with that combinationwith hurts, but he's just
playing outstanding football andif he doesn't get the NFL MVP,
(09:01):
I don't know what an MVP is, Ijust don't.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Gotcha.
What about you, Coach Barth?
Who are you picking on this?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I agree with Jose.
I think if the Eagles can keepBarkley relevant in the game,
meaning they're running thefootball and controlling the
clock a little bit, and they cankeep him engaged and effective,
I think they've got anexcellent shot.
But I think he's the key forthem to be able to to stay in
the game and have a shot to winokay.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
What about you, mike?
What are you saying?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
uh, being a marty schottenheimer disciple, um, I'm
gonna say off the cuff, thephiladelphia eagles offensive
line, um, as the x factor.
I know barkley great and I lovewatching him run.
But the Eagles and I couldn'ttell you one of their guys'
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names on that offensive line butthey must be pretty darn good
and if they can control thatline of scrimmage and they can
run the ball, I like the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, coach, mommy, who would you say is the X
factor in this?
Well, I think.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
I think, uh, my homes is the X factor.
But he's the X factor becausewhat everybody else has already
said, because if the Eaglesoffensive line can control a
line of scrimmage and Saquon canhave a big day, that makes
Jalen Hurts a wild card.
So I don't know if I'm pickingMahomes or Hurts.
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I mean, if the Chiefs can stayin it and be relevant, then it's
going to be because of Mahomes.
If the Eagles dominate likethey did against the Commanders,
it's going to be because ofHurts, because of Barkley,
because of the O-line.
So that's the way I see it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, and we're going to go back to you, bill, on
this, and I'm curious about thisbecause, as all being you know,
former college athletes or highschool players or
administrators I'm going to getyour take on this.
So the game is in New Orleans,right?
So we know it's in the Dome,okay, you know, in your opinion,
do you like the Super Bowlsbeing in the Domes or warm
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weather climates only, or shouldthey be playing these in cold
climates as well?
We've all played in cold games.
I know Coach Mummy's coachingall types of weather.
You know coach Barth has playedin the cold.
You know Jose's played in inthe warmth, though inside the
inside the domes, in the arenaleague.
You know I've played in somebrutal outside games.
I want to get your guys'opinion on this, though.
Should this always be in domes,should it always be in warm
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weather, or should they put itin the cold weather?
Bill, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Maybe I'll be the new school guy on this, but I like
it how it is.
You take away the I don't wantto say excuses, but you
obviously put a lot of differentfactors into it.
I think a lot of times throughthe playoffs you'll get weather
games on both sides, sodefinitely a chance to have to
prove it that way as well.
But I like the last game beingwarm weather.
(12:05):
Make sure uh, you know, in adome, something like that,
nothing outside really takingtoo much factor into it.
So I'm sure some other peopledisagree, but I I like it how it
is okay.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
What would you say, jose, I'm an arena guy, you know
me, I want perfect.
I want perfect conditions, andI mean they put enough money
into it that it should be thebest game of the season, not
only by stature, but by weatheras well too.
I mean, make the conditions asbest as you can, and that way
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the loser doesn't have an excuse.
Nobody has an excuse, exceptfor they just got outplayed or
whatever the case may be.
But you know, like, like I said, it's best conditions possible.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
That's just how I see it okay, fair coming from the
arena, guys.
So, um what?
What about you, coach barth?
What do you say on this?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
yeah, I, I guess I agree with that.
The the fair weather, uh, isalways, you know, it kind of
keeps things balanced, althoughI I think it would be
interesting at times to see, youknow, teams battled out in the
snow and you know it would causesome teams that are maybe, you
know, play one dimensional oryou can't be one dimensional,
right.
So if so, if a team gets stuckwith that, you know, just see
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how they adapt, so that thatwould be the intriguing part of
it.
But for the fans perspectiveand all that, I think that there
would be some fan bases thatwould love to be sitting in the
cold weather.
But I think overall, you know,for the game conditions to be
set, I think benefits the gameand everyone involved.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Gotcha.
What do you say, Mike Worrell?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Sure, the NFL, you know, for the fans and
extracurricular activities,events for Super Bowl, they want
it.
Warm weather, side spike.
So that's fine with me.
But I agree with Coach Barth itwould be interesting to see a
game every once in a whilenatural elements outside, and
see how teams adapt to that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
What do you say?
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Hal on this one.
Well, I remember back to whatwas it 2017 or 18, when Denver
had to go play in theMeadowlands.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, it was about 10 years ago, something like that.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yeah, it was about eight or I don't know, eight or
10 years ago, but no, it was ahorrible experience.
I didn't even like listening toit on the radio.
I was on the road at the time.
But but uh, I, I agree witheverybody.
Just, you know, play, play itin the best possible.
You don't want anybody to havean excuse.
I think whoever said that wassmart and and, uh and and you
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got to think about the fans.
Pro football is theentertainment business, so you
got to think about that and so Ithink they're doing a smart
thing by having in new orleans.
I, I think it kind of worksagainst the eagles a little bit,
because they've been used toplaying these.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Uh, great nope, I think we just lost coach mummy,
so we'll uh, we'll come back tohim on that, but he left it as
great, so we'll see.
Um, so I'm gonna answer thisone.
Actually, I want to see it inthe cold weather, right, because
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the thing is right.
If you're a football player,you have to be mentally tough,
right?
Yes, the money is great and themoney fuels you, but eventually
you got to find internaltoughness for yourself to go
battle through the elements,though, as well, and if you want
to see how bad somebody wantsthat Super Bowl bonus and be a
(15:38):
champion, go play in Buffalo orCleveland right now and you'll
find out how tough you trulytruly are in that regard.
So that's just my opinion on it.
I want to see guys be tough.
I want to see the ice bowlhappen again and I want to see
the freezer bowl happen again.
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That's what I want.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
We got Coach Mummy back on.
Yeah well, somebody tried tocall me and it cut me off, but
I'm just saying you know you gotto think about the fans.
You really do, and nobody wantsto watch a 10-7 game in the
freezing ice in Green Bay for aSuper Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I would.
I think that would be so muchfun.
I was just saying when you'reoff.
I said I want to see thefreezer bowl, I want to see the
ice fun.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I was just saying when you're off.
I said I want to see thefreezer bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I want to see the ice bowl.
I want to see that.
I want to see the freezer bowl.
Negative 40-degree wind chillsout there.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Well, I'm old enough to remember that and I'm also
experienced enough to haveplayed in a couple of those when
I was at Wesleyan, so I promiseyou they're not as much fun as
playing in the dome in NewOrleans.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's funny.
So, um, I want to get your guystake on this.
You know, um a lot of us arecoaches, or former players, or
you know, and or um currentcoaches, so I'm going to get
your opinion on this.
I want to know what, what youthink about nick sirianni and
where he ranks right now and inthe nfl as a head coach.
You know, as a top five, as 10?
You know, in four years,sirianni has four playoff
appearances.
He has five wins in theplayoffs, two Super Bowl
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appearances and two NFC Easttitles.
So, in your opinion, where doesSirianni rank right now in the
rankings of 32 NFL head coaches?
Bill, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, honestly I haven't put much thought into it
.
It maybe should have, but I'llsay top 10.
I think obviously the resumeyou just read off is worthwhile
to be in that category.
I wouldn't say top five yet.
Let's see a little bit more.
I think Young in his career,some obvious kind of legends in
the spot still obviously on theother side as well.
(17:46):
Um, but I think sirianni Iwould say top 10 and definitely
good resume and great youngcoach with a lot of potential
what about you, jose?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
well, I would say a top 10 guy.
But I mean I I think the, thegreat coaches you know, can do
it in a lot of places.
You know, I mean when you lookat the bill parcells and even
you know, you know the AndyReeds.
I mean when you can go anywhereand win with with whomever.
I mean I think he's got a greatstart with with Hertz and and
obviously they fell into areally good defense and and you
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know, now he's got SaquonBarkley.
I'm sorry, the main coaching.
I imagine the coaching scriptis don't screw it up, you don't
have to get too creative.
But yeah, definitely a top 10guy, but he's in Philly.
So I mean it's one day theylove you and next day they want
to kill you.
So I mean it's a tough market,regardless of what he's going to
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do.
I mean I hate to see what'sgoing to happen when he loses it
, if, if he loses the Superbowl,what they're going to say about
him now?
So, but good coach, really goodcoach, Sure, what do you say,
kurt?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I would say certainly top 10 and certainly on the
rise.
If they can win on Sunday, Ithink that that keeps moving him
up the ladder a lot.
But yeah, I think you know his.
You know he's off to a greatstart and has worked well with
the roster he's got.
But to Jose's point, you knowthe elite guys can do it
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anywhere and work with theplayers that they have in those
programs, so but where he's atright now he's certainly doing a
fantastic job and, like I said,if he wins Sunday he's
definitely moving up.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What do you say, Coach Worrell?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I'm going to give you my standard controversial
answer to this.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh God, I can only imagine.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Whether it's football , basketball, baseball.
Right now, sirianni's,according to the media, top
three, top five coach.
They have a nice roster on bothsides of the ball.
Some things are going their way.
Next year at this time he mightnot be in the top ten.
The way things go For the timebeing the media and everybody
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he's a top five guy.
Right now he's in the SuperBowl.
Why not?
Next year could be a differentstory talking about him valid.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
What do you say, coach mummy?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
well, I'm kind of like coach world.
I you know what'd you just say.
He's been in the NFCchampionship game twice and the
Super Bowl twice.
Now, well, you got to put himin the top three or so.
But I will say this you know,bill Walsh was a real good
friend of mine.
His first three years in SanFrancisco he was ready to jump
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off the Golden Gate Bridge.
I mean, they didn't do anything, and then all of a sudden they
win three Super Bowls.
It's a long climb up thiscoaching deal and you're only as
good as your last day.
We have a saying on our teams isjust play the next play, and
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that's all we do, and so I thinkhe's done a great job and I
hope he continues.
I do think Sunday is a big dayjob and I hope he continues.
I do think Sunday is a big dayfor him and Jalen Hurts, because
you've got Jalen going againstPatrick.
One of them could become thefirst guy to win three Super
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Bowls in a row and the other onecould become the guy to lose
too.
So it's a really high mountainand the fall is really great.
So I wish him luck and I thinkhe's doing a great job.
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But that's this business.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It doesn't get any it doesn't get any softer,
absolutely.
And you know I think about thisand I go back to what Bill
Parcells said your record is whoyou are and that that is
exactly the truth.
Um, I think when you look atSirianni, you know he he's had a
fantastic four years.
I think he'll continue to dothat.
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He's built the right way.
I would say if you're lookingat rankings, he has to be
probably closer to top five.
I would say I mean, withMcCarthy being out now, you have
to say it's Reed, for as muchas I don't like him, I think
he's so overrated Reed.
Um, for as much as I don't likehim, I think he's so overrated.
Tomlin is in there, uh,sirianni.
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Um, kyle Shanahan has to be inthere as well with what you know
he's done.
And and probably you would saymaybe, um, uh, john Harbaugh
having the Super Bowl as well,probably.
They're all probably in thatmix, um, somewhere with with one
another.
But I always go back to whatBill Parcells said You're as
good as what your record saysyou are, and the record says
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he's whatever, 13-win team,14-win team and playing for a
Super Bowl championship.
But to Jose's point.
I want to go back to this andI'm going to get on my little
tangent here, and then we'regoing to move on, because it is
ride-home rants.
If I want to see the success ofsomebody, do it over multiple
teams, right, like someone likeMike McCarthy did win with two
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teams, right?
Bill Parcells won with twoteams.
The general Tom Coughlin wonwith two teams.
Guys that can win with twoteams, that's awesome.
Sometimes you stay one place toolong and it gets stale, and
then, yeah, you win, but you'renot really winning right,
because are you doing it withsomewhere else?
Are you drafting people to besuccessful, and all those things
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?
That's why I don't like miketomlin, because mike tomlin has
gotten stale.
Sure, he wins, that's fine, butthe other thing is, though can
mike tomlin win at that samerate with other teams?
That's the thing.
Mike Tomlin has not drafted aHall of Famer.
Bill Cowher drafted six Hall ofFamers, potentially six Hall of
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Famers that Mike Tomlininherited.
Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl inhis second year with 18
starters from Bill Cowher's-ledteams.
So that's my tangent for theday about Mike Tomlin.
We're going back to the SuperBowl though.
So, bill, we're going to gowith you on this one.
Who wins this game and what'sthe score?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Oh, getting to the hard-hitting questions now.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's hard to follow up after my rant about why I
don't think Mike Tomlin's good.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong and I don'tdisagree with you either.
But as a Browns fan, going 500might do something for me.
We could put a point underneaththat.
So maybe consistency isn't allthat bad, Fetty.
But for the game prediction,I'm going to say Mahomes gets it
done and we go Chiefs.
I don't think it's crazy highscoring.
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I think the defense has kind ofshow up.
It'll be like 24, 21 chiefssomewhere in there.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Jose, what do you say ?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I think Philly is going to try to slow the game
down with the run and try totry to piss pound them, you know
, and and just beat the life outof that defense.
But I, I just, you know, myhomes and Kelsey are kind of
like the modern day Brady andGrock.
You know, they, they, theystumble through the season some
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good games, some bad games, andpeople, oh, they're not the same
and they get to that playoffman and they just hit that
button and it's just a different.
They're different guys.
Because I mean, if you look atKelsey during the season, he's
just an abomination.
He really is, you know,dropping passes, bad routes,
missed blocks, and then he comesto the playoffs and he's got
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the cape on.
So I agree, I don't think it'sgoing to be a high-scoring thing
, you know, I'd say it's like a28-21 Chiefs win, because I mean
, I just don't think, I don'tthink Philly's going to want to
get into a shootout with Mahomesand I think they're going to
try to slow it down with Saquon.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, what do you say , coach Barth?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, well, I might be talking with my heart here, I
think, but I'd like to see, Iwould say Philadelphia 27-24.
To your point that's beenmentioned, I think that they try
to grind it out and beefficient with their offense and
, you know, just try to keep theChiefs offense off the field as
long as they can.
But I think ultimately it'sgoing to come down to, you know,
them getting the run gameestablished, taking care of the
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football.
That's always going to be a key.
Whoever makes the costlymistake, mistake, and every
mistake can cost you.
But if it costs you points,it's going to be a little bit
more critical.
So whoever can avoid that?
But I'd you know I'm going togo with Philly 27-24.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Okay, what do you say , mike?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You know I like this answer, fetty.
I probably said this to youbefore and we've argued and
debated this.
I coach a lot of gamesbasketball close to 500.
Coach Mummies coach a lot ofgames.
In my career, 40% to 50% havecome down to the last minute or
two.
The NFL has magnified evenfurther in these playoff games
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where it's coming down to theend.
One big play, one bad play, abad call, something happens,
your field goal kicker hits youupright.
I've debated this with Fitty.
In these games fate comes intoplay a lot of times.
I know both teams are prepared,all the coaches know what
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they're doing on that level, thecollege and pro level.
And uh, and fitty doesn't agreewith me when I say fate gets
involved in a lot of these games.
At the end, when crazy thingshappen, you know a big play or a
big fumble.
I've lived that with the brownsall my life.
You know bad things happeningat the end.
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And with that being said, fetty, I'm going to take the Eagles
23-20 and a twist of fate,something happening in the last
couple minutes to make thatscore 23-20.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, Okay, good one there, Mike.
What do you say, Coach Mike?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Well, I kind of agree with Jose and Mike, both.
I think this comes down to awill of quarterbacks, and you've
got one guy who's won two SuperBowls and is already a Hall of
Fame guy, and you've got anotherguy that wants to be there and
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the other guy has Saquon Barkleyin the backfield and I'm going
to go with the Eagles.
But I'm kind of like Mike, I'mlike 23-21 or something you know
.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Okay, I'm going to go , I'm going to pick the Eagles
on this.
I got to pick the Eaglesbecause, because, you know,
sirianni is a division three guy, he mountain union guy, you
know, we, we we've all kind ofbeen around that, that that
small college game.
You know there's a lot of greatcoaches that are have players
who have transitioned to coachesfrom there.
Uh, bill belichick, you know aswell as a d3 guy.
(29:04):
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna pullfor my d3 guy, um, you know, and
he went to mountain union, sonot far away from here.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna pullfor my d3 guy, um, you know, and
he went to mountain union, sonot far away from here.
So I'm gonna pick the eagles,uh, 21, 17 in this and sirianni,
uh getting it done, uh, for allthe d3 people out there.
So, um, that's gonna be kind ofmy pick on there.
So, bill, I'm gonna go back toyou on this and my after my rant
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about the coaches.
And, you know, mike Tomlin notgetting it done.
You know, andy Reid has got itdone right, he's got it done
with two teams.
He's been to, I think,something like nine AFC or NFC
championship games during thattime.
Multiple Super Bowls now withboth teams.
So in your opinion, bill and Iknow you're a little bit younger
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uh, the group here.
Where does andy reed rank rightnow for you?
Is it top five all time?
Is it top 10 all time?
As an nfl coach, what do youthink?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
uh, like you said, I definitely have not been around
for some of the the old headcoaches, but, um, obviously I've
heard a ton about him and knowthe resumes, but I would say
obviously, in my opinion,definitely top 10.
I think if we can add anotherSuper Bowl here for Andy Reid
and I don't know if he's doneanytime really soon, I think he
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can creep into top five rangeAgain.
A ton of great coaches outthere Been a long history in the
NFL but I think he's definitelyone of the greats and
definitely Hall of Famer very,very likely.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But, jose, before I get to you, I'm going to throw
mine out here because I'm goingto bring back some of the old
school for everybody.
So I would say, you knowthere's Belichick is one, and
then I'm going to just get throwsome other names out there.
You have Chuck Knoll four foursuper bowls in six years.
You have tom landry, 29 years,three super bowls, I believe,
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six appearances.
You have don schula, nfl'sall-time uh winningest coach
ever.
You have curly lambo.
You have vince lombardi uh, youhave, you know, guys, guys of
that um stature as well.
I would even say I wouldconsider what Bill Cowher did
during his time close to a top10 coach.
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You have the general TomCoughlin, the only guy to beat
Tom Brady in the Super Bowltwice.
You have him.
You have Mike Shanahan as well.
You have Dan Reeves, who wentto four super bowls.
You have um marv levy, who wentto four super bowls as well.
There's a lot of great uh youknow coaches out there that you
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can compare them with.
So, just throwing some of themnames out there, you know for us
, um cow's buddy.
You know, uh, bill walsh.
You have george seaford as well.
So, jose, where does Andy Reidfall in amongst all those guys.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
How do I follow that?
Really, it's like wow, you knowwhat I mean.
I think he's a top five coachfor a lot of reasons, but the
main reason is because of theadjustments he had to have made
off the field.
I mean, think about all thoseguys you mentioned who are
awesome coaches.
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I mean, I mean I lived throughthe seventies, you know, through
the Steelers and and theeighties and the 49ers and the
nineties with the Cowboys.
But think about it.
He's got to deal with socialmedia, he's got to deal with
cell phones, he's got to dealwith gender identity.
He's got to deal with all thisstuff and he did it for a long
time.
You know what I mean and a lotof the coaches you mentioned
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didn't have to deal with allthat.
You know what I mean and andthere's so many different like
there's positions now, like myposition at FIU, I'm a general
manager at a at FBS school anddidn't exist, I mean.
And so there's there he's at 60, some odd years old, 65 years
old.
He has lived through a lot ofthe changes of the of the game
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itself, on and off the field,and has been successful, and I
don't know how many coaches cansay that.
You know that, that they'vedone it.
You know, and, like you said, Ithink Chuck Knoll I mean, I was
a Steelers fan at a in the 70s,just like everybody else, but
they were all bing, bing, bing,bing, bing, bing, bing, I mean
and he spread his out over sometime to where he he had the
suffrage in philadelphia.
Man, they, they, he couldn't,he was the buffalo bills of the,
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the nfc.
You know he couldn't get itdone.
And now he's in kansas city and, like I said, living through um
social media and and all thechanges in this world, he's got
to be a top five guy justbecause he's handled changes and
adversities that not a lot ofcoaches have seen.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's a great great point on that.
You know, as society haschanged and the game has changed
and technology has changed he'sone of those guys that's just
adapted with that, kurt.
What would you say about that?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I'm glad Jose had to follow up that because he made a
lot of very good points.
You know, I do think that youknow from my time frame, he's
certainly a top three coach.
But as you start to go back inthe earlier days of football,
absolutely there's a lot of guysthat you could make an argument
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for and put them certainlyahead of him.
But I don't know, I guess fromthe past or previous years, as
many coaches had to deal withstaff turnover as much as maybe
what Andy Reid has had to.
It seems like every year yourtop teams, they're going to pick
your coordinators, they'regoing to take position coaches,
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and they're gonna.
They're gonna pick yourcoordinators, they're gonna take
position coaches and they'regonna move on.
So I think just his ability toadapt year in, year out, putting
staff together, shows he's afantastic leader.
He's put, he's put his teams inchampionship levels everywhere.
He's been and and on aconsistent basis.
So you know, he's obviously agreat leader and and builds his
staff up, coaches them up to putthem in good spots as well as
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his team.
So yeah, I think you know,certainly like from from this
era, he's definitely in that, inthat top top few spots.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, what about you, Mike, and I know you, you're
not into the whole rankingcoaches thing, Mike, and you
know you and I have had thesepersonal conversations a lot and
I know you think MartySchottenheimer should be in the
Hall of Fame and I think a lotof people would agree and some
people would disagree with thattoo.
I'm sure you would probably sayhe's even close to top 10
regular season.
But, Mike, Andy Reid, wheredoes he fall for you?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I always thought Andy Reid was a very good coach when
he was at Philadelphia, verygood coach when he was at
Philadelphia and I think,regardless if he's won these
last two, if he did not winthese last two Super Bowls at
Kansas City, I still think he's,you know, one of the all-time
great coaches.
I think a lot of people basegreatness on.
Did they win the Super Bowl?
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They win the NBA title.
There's a lot of NBA playersand coaches that great players,
great coaches that never won atitle.
They're still hall of famers.
I mean there's a lot of NFLgreat players, great coaches,
not just Marty Schottenheimer.
There's been other coaches thathave really been good coaches
in the NFL, just could not,could not get there and get that
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big win.
But in my book, winning theSuper Bowl does not to me
guarantee that guy was anall-time great coach.
They were for that year.
But I thought Andy Reid was agreat coach before he was
winning Super Bowls when he waswith the Eagles.
So if he loses this game Sunday, he's still, you know, a top 10
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or 20 coach of all time in myopinion, You've been around the
game a long time.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You've seen the innovation and you've seen the
changes and you've worked with alot of people and coached
number one draft pick in the NFLand numerous football players
that have went on to havesuccessful careers in the NFL
and got to know a lot of NFLcoaches.
What would you say about AndyReid's ranking on this?
Well?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
I'm going to go back to my experience a little bit,
because we built the air raidoffense off of Lavelle Edwards,
mouse Davis and Bill Walsh.
I just blatantly stole ideasfrom those three guys and I did
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it over a series of years.
The only smart thing I did wasI kept going back to those three
guys.
I didn't go to anybody else toscrew me up.
So that's how it got built.
That's how Mike Leach had acareer.
That's how Dana Holgerson had acareer.
That's how Sonny Dice has had acareer.
That's how Mike Leach had acareer.
That's how Dana Holgerson had acareer.
That's how Sonny Dyches had acareer.
That's how Neil Brown's had acareer.
All these guys, chris Hatcher,they've all had careers because
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of that.
And Andy, to me, is in the topfive because he was trained by
Lavelle Edwards and it has shown, as I've seen, this over
decades now, because I startedgoing to BYU in 1987 to study In
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1985, I was the offensecoordinator at UTEP and we beat
them when they were the numberone team in the nation and so
they invited me to come visit.
So I took a high school job inTexas and then I went up there
and visited every year for about10 years, twice a year, and so
I saw what Lavelle was doing.
Andy Reid winning a third SuperBowl will be a tribute to
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Lavelle Edwards and that's theway I feel.
Tribute to Lavelle Edwards andthat's the way I feel.
And you know, I hope he canpull it off.
I do, but he's definitely inthe top five.
I mean, how can you if you winthree Super Bowls in a row?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
who else has done that?
Sure, sure, you know that's agreat point and I think if I
don't go on, I'm not going to goon another tangent here to save
everybody the time, but I wouldsay probably, if I'm going to
rank my top five and then we'regoing to go on to the next
question, I'm going to sayBelichick is one.
I got to say Don Shula isprobably two.
The man had success with theBaltimore Colts and the Miami
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Dolphins and had the onlyundefeated team in NFL history
and won back-to-back Super Bowls.
Granted, he had a lot of greatplayers, you know, but he had
the no-name defense, you know,and Zonka and those guys too.
So I would say, you know, he'sprobably right there.
I would say Landry is threebecause he built the Cowboys of
what they are today is off theback of of Tom Landry.
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I would probably have to sayVince Lombardi is, for I mean,
it is Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
You know who you're not mentioning is Weeb Eubanks.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Weeb Eubanks Great coach.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
He won the NFL championship at Baltimore and
then he went to the New YorkJets who were the New York
Titans before he went there themost pathetic team in pro
football.
And then, in what three or fouryears, he has Joe Namath and
wins the Super Bowl when nobodythinks the AFL can do that.
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I'm the only one old enough toremember all this, but Wee View
Banks was a brilliant coach anda brilliant guy.
He needs to be ranked in theresomewhere.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You know what?
I didn't even, I didn't eventhink of him, coach mommy, and
you know what I mean.
I'm, and I'm, a Jets fan.
I've been a Jets fan my wholelife and I've suffered being a
Jets fan my whole life.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Well, you suffered ever since we've retired.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
You know that's, that's valid, you know.
But I would say, you know he'sup there, but I to me Andy
Reed's probably number five.
I would say he's, he's probablynumber five in there.
I just think it's really hardto say right now he could be
better than those other guysjust because of the longevity,
also with one team of Landry,you know, and Don Shula.
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But it was great, great pointon that.
You know as well, mike, you'regoing to throw something in here
.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, I was going to tell coach mommy I.
I remember that I cried as akid my dad is an NFL guy yeah,
when the jets, when the jetsbeat them that day, it was a
devastating blow to the NFL.
I was like nine years old.
I cried like a baby.
Today I think it's great, butat the time you know, oh yeah,
oh yeah, a terrible offense.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Weeb was great at being simple in terms of offense
, and so his players always knewexactly what to do, and when
Namath made all his famousstatements, you know before the
game that we're going to win.
He knew that because they knewthey were exactly what to do in
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any situation against the Colts,and of course, we even coached
the Colts a few years before.
So I mean, it wasn't like wedidn't know the personnel.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know, and we'll go to the next question buddy, a
young Jets assistant was thelegendary Buddy Ryan.
Know the personnel.
You know, you know, and uh, andwe'll go to the next question
buddy, a young jets assistantwas the legendary buddy ryan,
the father of rex ryan right onon that team, and rob ryan as
well, and man, I wish rex ryanwould have got the jets job
again this year that would havebeen awesome.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
but you know, rob and I were roommates for a month in
a sprint.
Every night we drank beer andargued over what we were going
to do with each other the nextday and I learned so much about
the 46 defense from Rob.
He is a great coach and I'mglad he went out there with
Lincoln Riley to USC.
I'm glad to see him out there.
It's going to help themimmensely.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, no, that's great.
See, you have Coach Mummy onand we find out all types of
coaching stories, so I'm gladeverybody you know gets to hear
this.
This is a funner question,though, for everybody.
So, taking the game out of theequation, right?
Taking the game out of theequation.
What are you more lookingforward to?
The halftime show or all thecommercials, bill?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Commercials.
For me Just there's differentvarieties, varieties.
I feel like the halftime showshit or miss.
I feel like varying, uh,opinions always on that.
But the commercials I think arealways kind of funny, keep you
engaged, um, keep you kind oftied in.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
So I'll say commercial okay, what about you,
jose I?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
am.
I like the music, you know, notso much the performances, if
that makes sense, you know themusic's good, but I'm always a
commercial guy because theyalways make me laugh.
So I'm a sucker for thecommercials.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
What about you, Coach Barth?
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Definitely commercials, definitely
commercials.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
What about you, Mike?
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Betty, I'm all about the game, Commercials.
I'll go to the bathroom or getsomething to eat at halftime,
I'll go outside or do somethingand all I care about is the game
commercials.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll go to the bathroom or get something to eat
at halftime.
I'll go outside or do somethingand I all I care about is the
game.
That's great, mike.
What about you, coach?
Speaker 6 (43:38):
mommy, I'm definitely with mike.
We're both old and so we haveto go to the bathroom.
A lot commercials provide thatoccasionally.
I come in and catch the end ofone funny one and think, oh well
, I should have seen that wouldhave been funny.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
And, and halftime I definitely skip, because that's
a we could either eat or orwhatever okay, I always like the
commercials they used to do,all those uh like budweiser
horse commercials those arealways, those are always great.
They're playing football and theone horse, um, he gets left out
and they have the dog train himlike Rocky and he's running
(44:13):
with the train tied to him andall that stuff.
So big Rocky fan had my Rockymug on with my hat here today,
looking like I was going boxingor something.
So one of the final twoquestions I want to ask you guys
is this First one Bill, we'regoing to go with you.
Would the Eagles still be herewithout Saquon Barkley?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
no, I don't think so.
I, I don't think so.
I mean it's so tough to gethere and I think he's just been
such a pivotal part of the teamall year long you look at the
regular season obviously justkind of built that offense
through him this year, um, so Idon't know, tough to say, but I
think he's been that pivotalthat I have to say no okay, jose
(44:56):
, what would you say on this?
Speaker 3 (44:58):
absolutely not.
No, I mean, jalen hurts isn'tenough to carry that team.
I mean that's why they had toget aj brown and they got smith
as a receiver.
I mean he could throw the ballall day but, um, you know, you
get down to that end zone andcoach mummy can tell you it's
like putting a watermelon in abunny hole, you know you've got
to be able to run the ball.
And now you got a guy who, I'mshocked the giants staff is
(45:22):
still there by letting him goaway.
And you, you got to he I don't,I'm not gonna say a general
generational player, but he'shad a generational season, you
know, and and um, for him to gothere and take it.
It's almost, it's almostreminiscent to me of of watching
farve when he played withadrian peterson.
(45:43):
Adrian peterson was the mostpopular guy with the vikings for
however long he was there,until Favre got there.
And you know, anybody who'scoached knows if you're going to
play them, you're going to loadthe box.
Favre's going to kill you.
You back off, adrian's going tokill you.
And that's what you got withPhiladelphia.
And so I mean, I don't know howmuch money Saquon is making,
but Jalen Hurts needs to sharesome of his millions with him,
(46:06):
because he would not be thereagain without him.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
No question.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Coach, coach Barth, I'm curious to hear from you
because, if I'm not mistaken,you went to college as a running
back and transitioned toreceiver.
So I'm kind of curious to hearfrom, like, the offensive
perspective here of you.
Would Saquon or sorry, wouldthe Eagles be there without
Saquon or not?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, I hate to disappoint you, but I definitely
agree with Bill and Jose.
I mean, I think their offensiveline is definitely strong, one
of the best at top in the league.
You know, jalen Hurts iscertainly a quality quarterback,
talented receiving core, but atthe end of the day, they've
relied on Saquon to to do a lotof the work for him and uh to
(46:51):
get the big yards, make bigplays.
I don't think you can just plugany other running back in
behind him and have the samesuccess.
I mean he, he is, uh, he is atrue talent that uh has
separated himself from others inthe league, obviously, and and
it's uh yeah.
I don't think that uh, they'dbe there without him.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
And I was right on that.
Didn't you go to college as arunning back and then went to
receiver?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
I did, I did, I uh about two weeks in the camp.
We had a guy get hurt and theymoved me out and uh ended up
being a good situation for me.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And a great situation for yourureka football.
Look up everybody.
Kurt Barth, hall of Famer forEureka College.
Shout out to that multiple timea thousand yard receiver, uh,
hall of Famer, and multiple time, uh, all-american.
So a little shout out for CoachBarth there.
He's too humble to admit that,but I'll shout you out, coach
for you.
So thank you.
Oh, you're welcome, mike.
What do you say about this withthe?
(47:46):
Are the Eagles there with AlSaquon?
Speaker 5 (47:52):
I don't think so.
I mean, you never know.
I think they could run the ballto a certain extent with
whoever they have there, but notlike they are with him.
The way he's playing right now.
I mean he was great with theGiants.
I mean it's no surprise whathe's doing with the Eagles.
So I'd say no.
And when you get back to CoachBarth you have to.
You know he had one of the bestNCAA Division III running backs
(48:15):
of all time there.
For when?
my daughter you know, mydaughter played volleyball at
Eureka and knows Coach Barth,and when you get back to him ask
him about how many yards andhow many touchdowns his great
running back had, which probablythree years ago.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Well, you know what, mike?
I actually know that becauseLee Anthony was a guest on this
show, courtesy of Kurt Barth'snephew Drew getting him on for
us.
So yeah, there you go with theEureka connection right there.
Definitely know, and I believeLee Anthony's still playing
overseas.
Last I knew he was like inFinland playing, I believe.
(48:54):
So, coach Mommy, what do yousay?
I already know the answerbecause you said it.
But are the Eagles therewithout Barkley?
Speaker 6 (49:01):
No, not at all, and I agree with what everything's
been said.
I mean they you know it waskind of weird the Eagles knew
how to use Saquon because theyhad Jalen At the Giants.
They had Saquon but they had aguy who couldn't do what Jalen
(49:24):
could do what Jalen could do.
And so now when you play theEagles you have to worry about
two running backs in a four-widesituation.
So, defensively, thosecoordinators they're pulling
their hair out, they really are,and I'm sure Kansas City's
(49:45):
doing that tonight.
But no, I agree with whateverybody else said and you know
that's why I picked the Eagles.
Like I told you before, myheartstring is really with the
Chiefs, but I'm picking theEagles because I just think they
have the revenge factor intheir minds.
(50:07):
You have the Jalen Hurts I wantto be in the elite quarterback
factor in their minds and theyhave Saquon Barkley and the
Chiefs don't.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
That's fair.
The last one here I'm going tosay I'm going to give my answer
first.
Let you guys think about this.
But would the Chiefs let merephrase this who is literally
the most important person forthe Chiefs and the reason
they're here?
Is it Mahomes at thequarterback?
Is it Andy Reid as the headcoach?
Or is it Steve Spagnolia, thefour-time Super Bowl champion
(50:46):
defensive coordinator, makingthis thing go?
Out?
Of those three guys, who is thereason the Chiefs are who they
are?
If you think about replacingone of them, I'm going to say
it's Andy Reed, because withoutAndy Reed, these guys aren't who
they are.
The guys that have left AndyReid's team and become head
(51:11):
coaches as assistants have nowcome back because they couldn't
make it.
That is the way that I can tellthat Andy Reid has had total
control over that team, butSpagnolia is pretty close
because he is a four-timewinning Super Bowl champion
defensive coordinator.
Bill, what do you say on this?
Those three guys Mahomes, spags, reed who makes this thing go?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
This is the age-old tough question.
Going back to Brady Belichickand what really matters, I'm
going to say Mahomes here.
I'm going to say because youlook at Andy, andy Reed's career
, kind of coming fromPhiladelphia he's always been
great.
But I think when you get thattop tier, generational type
quarterback, they're able tojust find a way to win the game
(51:56):
at the end when the game reallymatters big time players make
big time plays in big time games.
So I think that's what's kindof made them into the super bowl
winning kind of franchiserecently is with my homes.
I think would have had greatteams and may have been around
there without him, but he kindof gets the.
I just think kind of puts themover the top, gets those super
(52:18):
bowls done, cause he just makesit happen in the game.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Jose, I say my homes, and I, as a, what do you say
Jose?
I say Mahomes.
And as a coach, you knowthere's I was told there's
there's good coaches, butthey're the good coaches always.
You know, like they said,there's great players and good
coaches.
Let great players be great.
And you look at Andy Reed.
I mean he's had Alex Smith, whowas a good quarterback.
(52:44):
He had Donovan McNabb, goodquarterback, and he did nothing
close to what he's doing withPat Mahomes.
And I just think, when you're abeneficiary of talent Nick
Sirianni, we just talked abouthim how does he rank as a coach?
But he was a beneficiary ofhaving somebody lace his team,
(53:04):
you know, with some good talent.
I mean it reminds me of MattLaFleur.
You know he fell into thePackers with Aaron Rogers and
now you know Jordan Love.
There's not a lot of strugglethere.
I mean you basically go therenot to screw it up and I
remember hearing an interviewwith Andy Reid talking about
that that you know he's stillthe same guy.
(53:26):
You know he's still the same guycalling the.
You know some plays, but he'sgot a different tool with
Patrick Mahomes, who's a totallydifferent quarterback than Alex
Smith and and Donovan McNabb.
And when you, when you say that, I mean, is the is his offense
the same?
Was he running the same thingswith Donovan McNabb as he is
with Patrick Mahomes?
And the answer is no, it isn't.
(53:47):
He's not running thesebackwards passes and these flips
and then all that.
No, you didn't see DonovanMcNabb do that, and so that's
why I said it's players.
The league is made up ofplayers, and I've always been
behind that and I think greatcoaches, you know, let great
(54:07):
players be great, as opposed totry to change them.
So that's, that's my take on itsure that's valid.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
And it goes back to my mike tomlin thing.
He inherited big ben correcthere.
Did all those great playersright?
Tomlin didn't have any of anysay in any of that.
He inherited all of them.
They were drafted by Cowher.
There's my rant again.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I tapped the stake on the head with that one, didn't
I?
Speaker 1 (54:32):
You know and if anything you know, if he ever
gets, if he ever does get firedwhich hopefully next year he
does tell my guy Heinz Ward loveHeinz Ward.
I know that's your buddy Tellhim to go be Distillers head
coach.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Oh, he wants to run it back full circle.
He wants to be trust me.
He does.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
So, um, that's a just fun fact right there, jose
coached, uh, with Heinz Ward fora few years and Heinz Ward,
former New York jets assistantcoach.
So, um, you know, coach Barth,you've been a head coach for you
know a long time on, for youknow a long time on, you know
numerous levels and you've hadsome record-setting players and
you've had some some great, uh,you know assistant coaches and
you're you're a great head coachyourself.
(55:10):
So, in your opinion, where isthis falling with the eagles?
Is it spags as a defensivecoordinator?
Is it andy reed or is itmahomes?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
well, I think it kind of goes back to the first
question we had who the x factorwas, uh, for the teams or for
the game?
Even and and Mahomes wasbrought up, and you know, I
certainly think, you know acoach's job is to to give guys,
put the guys in the right spots,give them opportunities.
But at the end of the day, theguys on the field have to make a
play, and Mahomes has done thatin multiple crunch situations,
(55:42):
you know, throughout his career.
So you know, I, I think, so Ithink I would rest with him.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Okay, All right, Mike , you're up.
Give me your basketball analogyon this.
Mike, Give me your basketballanalogy.
I know you're going to pull oneout here and I can't wait to
hear it.
Speaker 5 (56:00):
This is going to be a basic answer.
Fetty, I'd say Mahomes, hepulls out plays at the end of
the games.
But I want to say, when theiroffense struggled the first half
of the year, their defense hasbeen the best it's been.
I think this year.
If you're giving Spagnola thecredit or the players, whoever
but the Chiefs' defense is thefirst 8-10 games is what won
(56:23):
them, pulled them through.
When the chiefs defense is thefirst eight 10 games, what won
them?
Pulled them through when thechiefs offense was kind of
struggling at that time.
Now, now they're playing betterand they got the combination
good defense and my homes.
You know the offense isclicking.
So I don't know if I reallyanswered your question, but I I
know their defense has been thebest it's been this year.
No, that's, that's valid, mike,but I know their defense has
(56:44):
been the best it's been thisyear.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
No, that's valid, mike.
And Mike, I want to throw twoquick basketball things out.
We're going to go to how andthen we're going to finish this
up.
So, number one, mike in youropinion, does Pat Riley win
those championships with theLakers, with Magic Johnson?
If he doesn't have Magic, doeshe still win those titles?
No way, okay, that's all Iwanted to know with that.
And the second thing is uh,mike, I and I believe Jose have
(57:08):
this story correct, but Joseplayed a little bit of
basketball out in Phoenix onetime with, uh, with your guy Dan
Mallory, is that how you say?
His?
Speaker 5 (57:17):
name Marley.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
Mike's a big.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Mike's a big fan.
Jose got to play some pickupwith him a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Dan Marley, barkley, kj.
And it was.
It was a great time.
And what I was going to sayreally quick was, you know,
being a court being acoordinator, play caller, good
coaches call good plays.
Great coaches call on players.
And you know Andy recalls on Imean, let's be real on on when
(57:44):
they played Buffalo on fourthdown, you knew patrick holmes
was gonna bootleg that ball.
He wasn't gonna give it toanybody and that's that's
calling on a player, not a play.
But that's why he's an x factorto me.
But that's that's just my take,sorry no, no, that that's fair.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Just one other thing too.
You know, andy reed, though,has has, in all honesty, had
great defensive coordinators.
You know, spags, he had seanmcdermott, head coach of buffalo
bills, and, um, rest in peaceum, jim johnson from the eagles,
for a long time as well.
So andy reed's also always hadgreat defensive coordinators.
So, um, how you going to roundthis out on?
(58:23):
Uh, on this one?
Speaker 6 (58:26):
if you're still there , um okay.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Is it Andy Reed?
Is it spags, you know?
Is it?
Speaker 6 (58:32):
we're talking about for this game, right.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
It making this whole thing go, not just this game,
the season and, you know, thisrun that they've had to win the
super bowl.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
It's on spags, because he has to get
Philadelphia off the field.
And you got Saquon and you gotJalen and you got the revenge
factor in their minds.
And then you got Kansas cityand you got the.
(59:07):
Okay, it's not a revenge factor, it's a we can be the only ones
to have ever done this factor.
So it comes down to betweenJalen and Patrick, Jalen and
Patrick.
So if Spaggs can getPhiladelphia off the field three
(59:33):
times in the first half and twoor three times in the second
half and I'm talking like threeand outs or something then
Patrick wins.
Okay, If he can't do that, thenJalen and Saquon are going to
wear them out and I don't knowwhat the score would be from
(59:54):
that, but if they wear them outit could be a two-score game,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Okay, well, thank you for sharing that and thank you
to all of you for, you know,coming on this, this show.
It's been a lot of fun talkingabout the super bowl preview and
the big game here coming upbetween the eagles and the
chiefs.
You know, hearing a lot ofdifferent sides, hearing a lot
of funny stories going off onsome tangents and it's all.
What about ride home rants isfor the listeners out there, uh,
(01:00:21):
to the legends of the show, thelegendary how mummy, uh, you
know, and everything that you'vedone in your career.
Coach, thank you for being on uhlegendary, legendary mike whirl
uh for being on, given thebasketball perspective of things
uh.
The all-american kurt barth andall his numerous, numerous
success olympic hopeful.
Jose jefferson, the new generalmanager of the fiu football
(01:00:45):
team.
And the legend Bill Stoid, mrWestside Cleveland, himself out
here spinning all the news forus, knowing all the things about
all the things.
So that's going to do it forthis week's episode of the Ride
Home Rants podcast.
As always, if you enjoyed theshow, be a friend and tell a
friend, and if you didn't likeit, tell them anyways, because I
bet they like it just becauseyou did it.
This is Fitty signing off.
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We'll see you next week, thanks.
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