190: Going Ballistic With Award-Winning Journalist Henry Abbott

What if injuries aren't inevitable, but predictable events with upstream warning signs we can actually address? Henry Abbott, award-winning journalist and founder of True Hoop, joins us to discuss his groundbreaking book "Ballistic: The New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance" that challenges everything we thought we knew about athletic durability.

Abbott shares fascinating insights from his research at P3 (Peak Performance Project), where cutting-edge biomechanics analysis is revolutionizing how athletes train. Most surprisingly, he reveals how mental limitations often precede physical ones. Through a remarkable personal anecdote about holding his breath for over four minutes after minimal instruction, Abbott demonstrates how our brains frequently create barriers our bodies haven't actually reached.

For runners specifically, Abbott provides practical wisdom on proper landing mechanics, identifying injury risk factors, and strengthening the often-neglected muscles beneath the knee that create efficient "bouncy" movement. Rather than obsessing over form while running, he suggests building capability through targeted training, then allowing your body to naturally implement improvements.

In the Race Report Spotlight, we hear from 11 runners across four countries who completed the London Marathon. They share their experiences with punishing heat and incredible crowd support. They also describe the emotional highs of crossing Tower Bridge and finishing near Buckingham Palace. Their stories capture both the challenge and the magic of completing a World Major Marathon.

Whether you're battling recurring injuries, seeking performance improvements, or simply wanting to run with less pain, this episode offers invaluable insights that might just transform your relationship with running. Subscribe now and join our Rise and Run community as we explore the cutting-edge science of injury-free athletic performance.

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With Greg hey, hey, hey.
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I'm doing great.
John, thank you so much forasking yeah, you hadn't gone
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Just, however, my friends showup on the video in front of me,
and John happens to be on thebottom this week.

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But we're glad you're here,friends, let's see this week.
Hey, this week we're talkingwith Henry Abbott.
Henry's written a book calledBallistic the new science of
injury-free athletic performance.
Really interesting interview.
I hope you get something out ofit.
And we are recapping with ourfriends, and we had a bunch of

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Yeah, it's a couple of weeksback, but we don't want to let
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no, keep going.
I was gonna say somethingthat's very shocking, that you
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Speaking of disappointing andletting down, I missed the Zoom
last week, so let me tell youwhat happened.

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It's not it's not thatinteresting a story.
But so here's the thing.
Yeah, almost, it starts withthe local ABC store.
Should I just stop right there?
In Florida the ABC stores areliquor stores.
They LCB up in Pennsylvaniathey had a tasting event for $15

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from 5.30 to 7.30.
So far, no problem.
But I tasted enough to forgetthat it was a Zoom night and we
were there with some friends,some running friends from the
area, and we went right from thestore, just a couple doors down
to dinner.
And I'm sitting down at dinnerand all of a sudden, my phone,

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my message ringtone, is thefirst four notes from Wish Upon
a Star, you know for do, do, do,do, do, do, do.
And it's just going off Boom,boom, boom, boom, boom.
I'm going well, let me seewhat's happening.
As I pick my phone up, I get acall from Stephanie and she says
to me are you okay?
I said yeah, what's up?

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She goes, it's Zoom night.
Oh, no.
So I was able to start to Zoomfrom my phone, but I really
couldn't get into it at therestaurant where we were.
Hey, I knew we might miss somerace reports from last week.
Greg, I think we did prettywell, but we did miss.

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Well, I did.
You had no access to this.
I did miss one, and it is thisrecorded race report.

Speaker 8 (09:21):
This is James from Indianapolis, indiana, calling
to report on the mini marathon.
I'm sure many of us ran.
It was a great race.
Great weather Last year wassuper hot so a little bit of
rain right at the beginningreally helped set the tone.
Trimmed five minutes off, set anew PR and had a great race.

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Thanks, I turned five minutesoff at a new PR and had a great
race.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Thanks, james.
Congratulations.
Thanks to the report.
Congrats on your PR.
Let's take a look at thetraining schedule.
Friends, we are in week two oftraining for the Disneyland
Halloween race weekend.
It is 16 weeks away.
Your long training run onSaturday is three miles.

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Enjoy these guys.
I promise they're going tobuild Friends.
We're getting into, at leastdown here and, I think, in other
parts of the country, what Icall summer training.
How is your training going now?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I was all ready to train Saturday to go out do my
first run since springtimesurprise, but life got in the
way.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Did you also end up at a liquor store, John?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, no, no, no liquor store there's.
There's no ABCs or whateverthey're called up here in Jersey
.
So life got in the way.
We get the phone call.
Friday night my daughter-in-lawwent into labor, so I have to
go up and bring my onegrandchild to soccer while my
wife brings the other one tot-ball.

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And I'm proud to announce thatI have my grandchild number four
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So Ella DeMarco is now here andenjoying the Rise and Run
family.
Congratulations.
Congratulations here andenjoying the Rise and Run family
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Speaker 6 (11:03):
Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
But Sunday I did go out and get my run in Okay Play
that sound effect again, Bob.

Speaker 11 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
I think we're at that point now.
We're behind the season'sbehind us 're behind the seasons
behind us.
We know it's behind us.
At least where I live.
There's not many races comingup now.
So now I'm into what I callsummer training and I got out
this morning and it was fun Idid.
I'll talk more about it.
On the race report, I had a runthis weekend.

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It was good for me mentally, soI was happy to get out today.
It's not too hot yet.
It soon will be.
I will be doing things likemixing in some aqua jogging.
I will be using a treadmill,but yep, I am.
I am bound and determined.

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It's summer training time, andsummer training time is hard,
kids.
It's hard because it's hot, andit doesn't matter whether the
temperature is higher here orhigher there.
If it's hot where you are, it'shot, but this is where you're

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building for next season.
I am fond of saying summertraining equals fall PRs.
I'll say it again, probablyonce, twice or 47 times we see
now in the fall, but it works.
So it's really time to kind ofsuck it up and get that training
going.
Okay, friends, hey look.

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Let's visit with our guest forthis week.
Henry Abbott is anaward-winning journalist and the
founder of True Hoop, arespected basketball media
platform that includes the TrueHoop podcast and the True Hoop
website, amongst other things.
Henry previously led ESPN's60-person NBA digital and print

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team, which published severalgroundbreaking articles and won
a National Magazine Award.
He's with us this week todiscuss his new book, ballistic
the new science of injury-freeathletic performance.
Henry, welcome to the Rise andRun podcast.
I am excited to be here.
Thanks for having me, you guys.
The New Science of Injury-FreeAthletic Performance, henry,

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welcome to the Rise and Runpodcast.
I am excited to be here.
Thanks for having me, you guys.
Oh, thank you, we're gladyou're here.
We appreciate it.
Hey, this was an interestingread, henry.
I appreciate getting to look atit.
When I think about books likethis typically running books
they're often prescriptive witha list of hey, do this, don't do
that.
But that's not really what wehave here.

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What we have is a very readableand enjoyable sequence of
stories about involvement inathletics and discoveries of how
our muscles affect our chancesof injury.
It's quite a tale.
Let's start out with this.
What inspired you to write itand did your background in
journalism and basketball shapethe book's direction?

Speaker 10 (14:15):
Yeah, there was a weird confluence of events in my
life where I've been an NBAjournalist basically my entire
adult life and over that time itwas just no getting around the
fact that everybody gets hurt.
Every NBA player gets hurt.
It's a league with 100% injuryrate.
Right now I think the reigningking is Mikkel Bridges has gone
maybe six years without aninjury, but that's very rare and

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you know, stars are falling bythe day in these playoffs.
So it seemed like and actuallythe closer I got to the league,
the more I talked to players andtrainers and coaches and agents
I realized that players don'thave any magic training programs
.
They're searching just like weare right.
They have the aches and painsthat we have and they go to the
same.
You know, some friendrecommends a physical therapist,

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or there's a kinesiologist ormassage therapist or a yoga
teacher.
Or I did a whole story for amen's journal about Jason Kidd
using his wife's Pilatesinstructor to extend his career.
So we're all in this kind ofbackground search of just how do
I keep my body moving.
So that's going on in theprofessional world and at the
same time in my personal life.

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I was born with hip dysplasiaand I have been at times a
pretty serious runner and justkept having all these little
flare ups and issues.
And I was born with hipdysplasia and I have been at
times a pretty serious runnerand just kept having all these
little flare-ups and issues andI was like, look, we're all.
It just became clear to me thateverybody's kind of lost on
this journey of who you go toand are they covered by
insurance and how do you getrelief and what's the right way
to carry your body.
And then it turned out thatthere's a guy.

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And then it turned out thatthere's a guy.
You know there's a, there's a.
There's a place in SantaBarbara called P3 where they're
really addressing these issueswith evidence instead of with
word of mouth disease and how.
And it's Marcus, dr Marcus.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
I can't remember.
Marcus's last name.

Speaker 10 (16:11):
Elliot, elliot Elliot.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Okay, I know he gets referred to by Marcus.

Speaker 10 (16:14):
Yeah, he's Marcus.
Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
P3, his peak performance project.
But that was interesting howthe echocardiogram affected how
we take care of the heart muscleand now Marcus is trying to
apply that to the rest of ourmuscles.

Speaker 10 (16:34):
Yeah, I think when you think something's an act of
God, that means that you're notreally understanding what causes
it right in the medical world.
So heart attacks for thousandsof years in the literature were
seen as these unforeseeablerandom acts.
And there's literally cardiacliterature about this.
Man collapsed because he wascoveting his neighbor's wife or

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committed some other sin.
Right, that's what we thought.
Then, around 1910 or soelectrocardiograms I guess it
was the earlier version of theechocardiogram we started to get
to see the blood flow throughthe human heart and suddenly you
could see that the heart attackfollowed a decade or so of the
arterial blood flow slowing down.

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Now we're starting to see howthis thing actually works right.
And then when Eisenhower had aheart attack in office in 1955,
it started popularizing the ideathat you would prevent heart
attacks, you would treat thembefore they occur with diet and
exercise and maybe with somemedicine, and it's been one of
the most successfulinterventions in the history of

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human medicine.
Us life expectancy has gone upa decade since they started
doing that, of doing that.
And Marcus's point after hetore his ACL on his 17th
birthday football practice waslet's see if we can find the
signals that are upstream of theinjuries that ruin sports.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Right, right.
By the way, we were talkingearlier, I told you I remembered
Wilt.
I remember Ike too.
That's just how old I am Welldone.
Yeah, let me switch gears justa little bit.
The book's titled Ballistic20-year Army veteran.
I think of something different.
When I think of ballistics,don't think about running.

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How does ballistic apply to theidea of injury-free performance
?

Speaker 10 (18:16):
Yeah, I'm with you.
When I started working on this,to be totally honest, I didn't
really know what the word meant.
I had been around, it seemedlike a weapon-y word.
But I was spending a lot oftime at P3 and they say the word
all the time, they say it everyhour more, and they say things
like basketball is atremendously ballistic sport.
And so I was like, well, thisis interesting.
You know, this is kind of a fun, a powerful seeming word, but

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it has this sort of otherconnotation to people in
biomechanics it just meansairborne, to be totally honest.
But then it.
So I was not thinking I wouldname the book that initially,
but then it emerged that itmatters in two giant ways to
runners and athletes of allkinds, which is number one.
All of the biggest forces insports don't come from lifting

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weights, they don't come frompeople pushing you, they don't
come from getting punched.
They come from landing.
Your body's airborne, you land.
These are all the biggestforces.
So that's ballistic.
So it seemed like, in a way,it's this waving a flag at this
important thing.
But then the more interestingpart to me is that the training
that you do to prepare your bodyto handle those forces without
injury.
That training is ballistic.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
So it's kind of these bookends of like, hey, it's the
big, scary thing, but it's alsothe solution.
Henry, what do you think is thebiggest myth in athletic
performance that your bookchallenges?

Speaker 10 (19:33):
I think that is very clear to me, which is injuries
are inevitable.
Everybody, just wheneveranybody gets hurt, everybody
says yep, that was nothing youcould have done, nobody's fault,
act of God, we say all the samethings, but it's just not true.
It's just like the heart attackstory.
Right, there are thingsupstream from all these injuries
and there are things we can dobetter.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Can you comment on something else, and I don't know
that it ties in right withGreg's question, but something
struck me out of the book andagain I'm trying to apply.
It's not a cookie cutter heyrunners, run this way.
Hey runners, do this exercise.
You make that clear at the verybeginning that this is not one
size fits all, but you stressand Marcus stresses the

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importance of mental trainingand talking about how fatigue is
an emotion.
That's something I think canapply to runners.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
So it's kind of rooted in this for me.
Anyway, in like the 30s and 40sthere was this place called the
Harvard Fatigue Laboratorywhere they did research that
would never be permitted now,where they just stressed the
hell out of humans with heat andcold and mountain climbs and
oxygen deprivation, all thiskind of stuff, and they wanted
to find the limits, right.
They wanted to know, like, ohwell, humans can handle X, and
what they found mostly was thatthere aren't limits, like we're
super, super adaptable, right.

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That's why we've made itthrough so many different eras
of the earth and locations andgeography and altitudes.
So it became one of the sort ofbroader conclusions of this
research was that the limits aremostly in our brain.
And so the practice becomes youknow how do you train so that

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your brain will permit you to domore right?
And you know there's this TimNoakes is this famous
physiologist who hatched thisidea of the central governor,
which seems to be pretty validwhere you know when you're
running and you feel tired andyou know your brain is getting a
little anxious and it's it'slimiting the blood flow to your
muscles and that's the feelingyou have tired.

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It's not really that you'reshort of oxygen or done yet
right.
And so if you train it withhigh intensity, for instance,
you're short of oxygen or doneyet Right.
And so if you train it withhigh intensity, for instance,
you're more likely to convinceyour brain to let you do a
little more next time.
And so you're, once you kind ofget the idea that you're you're
bumping up against your ownbrain.
That is a little anxious, thenI think it permits you to
explore a little more and push alittle more.
And um, and I was just, I wasjust at dinner with my

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sister-in-law and she's about todo this big competition and
she's trying to decide if sheshe really wants to do the whole
thing wearing, um, her likecamelback, because she just
likes the feeling of havingwater at all times, but it's
going to slow her down becauseit's going to weigh four pounds
or whatever, right, and sothere's like that's just, it is
just anxiety.
A lot of these things are justanxiety, right, like she'll be

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fine, they have a water station,she can stop as much as she
wants.
But I feel like we all dealwith these things right, where
you're like like am I okay?
And I think the harvardparticular laboratory and marcus
elliott would say oh, like yourbody, you're hard to kill.
You know, like our bodies are.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Our bodies are super tough and if you've trained,
you've prepared for the thinglike you're gonna be fine see, I
love that, I love anythingabout mental toughness and the
capacity that we give ourselves,because I mean, with long
distance running, which we'reall doing, anything you know,
from 5k to marathon, ultramarathons it's one of the
hardest things to push past.

(22:55):
I think it's harder than theactual training itself, the
physical training itself,because the mental toughness
will that will get you just asfar as I think the training is.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess one of the things
like with mental toughness, how,how do you train yourself for
something like that?
For just in general, how do youteach yourself no, you're okay,

(23:18):
or making sure that?
Is this a red flag?
Or is it just me saying thatI'm tired even though I'm not?
How can you tell the difference?

Speaker 10 (23:28):
This was some of the most interesting stuff.
I didn't expect to reallyexplore that topic in writing a
book about biomechanics, but itcame up a lot because at P3,
they're pretty obsessed with thesame thing you're talking about
, and some of the answers that Ihave in the forefront of my
head to your question are like,like when the first time I ever
went there, they were just doinga little walk around tour and

(23:49):
they're showing me the facilityand then they're like, oh, this
breath holding expert was justhere from Stanford.
This guy, alex, has learned alittle bit about it.
Do you want to try that?
And I was like, yeah, sure.
So I have the whole thingrecorded.
This is what really happened.
So, um, they take us in like alie on like a yoga mat in a in a
little room off the gym and we,we lie on these mats on our
backs on the floor and then alexis like hey, how long do you

(24:11):
think you can hold your breath?
I was like I don't know, like aminute, 90 seconds.
He's like all right, let me trythat.
So I did 90 seconds and youknow, and that 90 seconds, and
he's like well, why did you feellike you need to take a breath
then and I was like I don'tthink I have to even answer that
question.
You know, what.
I mean Like everybody knowsright, like um, and he's like

(24:33):
okay, well, let me tell you that, like we can put a pulse
oximeter on your finger and I'mgoing to tell you that, like
your oxygen level has notdropped at all, like that
feeling that you have, that youneed a breath, is like a
pregnancy contraction it comesin a wave and it will pass and
your oxygen levels are fine.
It's more about like your brainis getting a little panicky
Same thing we're talking aboutwith when you feel tired running

(24:54):
.
And so he's like why don't wetry it again?
And I'm just going to ask youto picture a flickering candle.
And he gave me a couple of thelittle pointers.
We did that, like there's a waythat you clear the CO2 from
your lungs or something.
You do this kind of preparationbreaths.
And then I held my breath for,I think, three minutes and
something, and then he's likewhy don't we do one more?

(25:16):
I did it for four minutes, 12,I think this is.
I have like no training in thisright, it was just.
It was just him telling me thatthe feeling that I had that I
was going to die was just afeeling.
And when, as soon as I knewthat, I was like, oh, I'm
totally fine.
Um, same exact thing.
Now I think about when, if youever those people who do like

(25:36):
polar bear plunge type things incold water, you feel like
you're same thing.
You jump, it's the same exactmental management.
Right, you're just like no, mybody's having a little freak out
, but it's fine, we're going tosurvive the four seconds we're
in here, right, or going in thesauna.
The cold plunge they're prettybig at P3 on the cryotherapy
chamber, which I think like thescience is not great on that for
your body, but they use it justas no.

(25:59):
Like just learn to chill out,learn to be in this environment
yeah, and you know, I think theyhave me listen to like tangled
up in blue, you know, kind oflike you're just like I'm fine.
I'm fine Right, like I thinkthat's a lot of it for me is
just picture the flickeringcandle, you know.

(26:20):
Just ignore the chatter.
Understand that your body'sgoing to send you a lot of sort
of hot and exciting signals thatare a little panicky and
they're not really at the coreof what your body needs.
They're a little bit in advanceof that.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I remember reading that story and thinking, oh,
he's going to take six weeks totrain, but no, like 10 minutes.
No, just didn't.
But it pushes me to anotherchapter and I hope I'm going to
pronounce this right Misogi.

Speaker 10 (26:49):
Yeah, I don't think there's a right.
They stole this word from theShinto tradition and they've
misused it the whole time.
So I think, yeah, they sayMisogi.
If Marcus is the arbiter, thenit's Misogi.
I don't know what someone fromJapan would say.
They could probably give us abig lecture on how we're doing
this wrong.
But yeah, so this is a greatexample of how to expand your

(27:12):
brain's sense of what's possiblefor your body.
So they have cooked up thistradition which has caught on.
Now there's like a Misogi is athing that lots of different
people in the workout world aretalking about, and it comes from
Marcus and his buddy in medicalschool, garth, who flew out to
the Wind River Range in Montanawith poor planning and no
preparation and minimal stuff,and Garth was a martial artist

(27:35):
and talked all about this Masogitradition of doing something
really difficult that you're notsure you can complete.
And then Garth got altitudesickness and so Marcus was alone
in the woods with like there'sall the stories of grizzly bears
and almost falling off a cliffand almost starving and all
these things.
But he realized at the end ofit that he felt super tough
because he hadn't died.
And then several thingshappened.

(27:58):
He had a triathlon where hewrecked his bike and he bled a
whole bunch, but he's like, no,I'm just going to finish, it's
going to be fine.
He's a doctor and he knows hehas plenty of blood, and so he
lost pints of blood.
Everyone's freaking out, buthe's like, no, I'm fine and he
was fine.
And so he sort of started theselike annual tradition of do,
and the rules are 50% likelihoodof completing it out in nature,

(28:19):
something you didn't train forwith friends.
Wait a minute.
You left out one more ruledon't die, don't die, yeah.
And so they've done things likerun a 5k across the ocean floor
while carrying really heavyrocks, oh that'd be so cool or

(28:39):
um, they paddleboarded from thechannel island santa barbara,
which is almost 30 miles of likeit's.
It's rough, the sea's kind ofrough in there and there's
sharks and stuff.
Um, they climbed the height ofeverest in an office tower in la
, going up and down, up and downthis kind of stuff.
So all sorts of things inmountains they've done and I
haven't done it, but everyonewho does it they talk about what

(29:02):
jack's talking about, wheresort of like you come out with
just this kind of calm regardand sense of what you're capable
of.
That makes you feel you can doother things right.
Other hard things come up inyour life and you're like, nah,
I can probably handle this, it'sprobably okay.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
See, that's how I feel, like after a run.
I'm like, wow, I think I cankeep pushing more if I really
wanted to.
It's all about I love themental toughness.

Speaker 10 (29:26):
It's kind of calm right, like.
I feel like the tough part islike a little this guy, Steve
Magnus, who's brilliant.
I don't know if you're familiarwith his work, but he wrote a
book called Do Hard Things,which is based on a bunch of
research.
Oh, I think I've heard aboutyeah yeah, yeah, it's so great,
but his thing is that toughnessis continuing to solve problems.
I think that's right.

(29:46):
I think it's like just kind of,can you just you're
paddleboarding 30 miles andyou're exhausted, but and
there's a fin that they thinkmight be a shark Like, can you
just keep making good choices?
Can you keep?
You know what I mean?
That's that's.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Yeah, so also in your book you kind of emphasize the
conventional training that oftencan lead to injury.
So our question is is likewhat's the biggest mistake that
athletes or coaches make intheir training?
It's a great question.

Speaker 10 (30:15):
There's so many answers.
I feel like just looking around, I feel like everyone kind of
overrates just like muscle.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Yeah, Strength training.
What?

Speaker 10 (30:26):
I think strength training is really good but
people tend to be very heavy.
Even people who work out a lot,they kind of are landing hard.
We want to be mobile.
I think every runner knows howgreat it is to be a little
bouncier and lighter At P3,they're really big on
neurological training and justlike you're trying to make it so

(30:47):
that your brain does anexcellent job of coordinating
your muscles, so you land in away that's kind of bouncy and if
you've been like just jackingyour shoulders super big or
whatever, like they wanteveryone to lift weights.
But if you get heavy then itjust gets harder to be springy,
it's hard to move around and Ithink it's just a little bit of

(31:08):
a misunderstanding.
It's a little bit of making usslow and immobile when we really
kind of want to be springy andnimble.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
That makes a ton of sense to me, because a lot of us
here tonight on the recording,but in our podcast community,
follow the jeff galloway methodof running, and when you watch
jeff run, he has always talkedabout shoring your stride,
regardless if you know you're onon a, you know flat terrain or

(31:37):
going uphill, because it offersyou that opportunity to you know
you're not pounding thepavement as much, which, again,
as you know you mentioned in thebook you know how will it can
help prevent the injuries if youknow you're having so much of a
a forceful impact.
So that that just makes a tonof sense to me.
But my next question, though,is you know how, as us runners

(31:58):
in particular, can we apply theprinciples from ballistic to
reduce injuries and improve ourperformance overall?

Speaker 10 (32:07):
I mean by and large.
They're obsessed at P3 with,like, the idea that there aren't
one size fits all remedies andthey want to assess your whole
body and give you a thing justfor you about, like your right
hip or your left knee, whatever.
So you know, but I did spendyears bothering them with
questions and I did extract fromthem like some broadly
applicable lessons.
I think one of the really bigones is about how your foot hits

(32:30):
the ground.
They're finding that a cause ofa tremendous amount of injuries
in NBA players and tennisplayers and runners comes from
what they call ground contacts,and there's a lot to explore
there and there's a lot toexplore there.
But the takeaway is that atremendous number of us have
excessively weak muscles in theleg, beneath the knee.

(32:51):
So this is like the gastroc, orlike the little bulbous muscles
that we think of as the calfmuscles.
Underneath it there's thesoleus and the tibialis
posterior.
They put a lot of effort intothose muscles that are
underneath the tibialisposterior.
They put a lot of effort intothose muscles that are
underneath, and the real goal ofthat is to provide what they
call a stiff ankle, which doesnot mean an immobile ankle.

(33:11):
It just means an ankle that'sgood at bouncing, basically.
So you want to land according tothem with your they say toes up
.
It doesn't really mean toes up,but it means you feel like
you're putting your toes upno-transcript landing in unison.

(33:51):
If you can pull that off and ittakes some training um, we all
have different hangups keepingus from doing that Then you can
land with the rubber bands ofyour muscles stretching with
every step and then they willsnap back effort-free and push
you forward into the next step.
You're getting two benefitsright.

(34:11):
You're getting the, thespringiness of landing with the
force attenuated so it doesn'tcause you injury because it's
being.
You're kind of getting abreaking from the soft tissue
which is designed to take it.
And then you get this.
I think Tim Noakes has a thingwhere runners carry between 40
something and 90% of the forcefrom one step to the next.
This method of landing will getyou higher on that scale, so

(34:37):
you just have to use less energyto actually push yourself
forward.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Get a return of energy out of your own body.

Speaker 10 (34:40):
Yeah, you get the freebies.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
So is.
One of the easiest ways to seehow your foot is landing is by
looking at some of your oldershoes like you can go to the
shoe shops and definitely getlike everything analyzed.
But if you look at the bottomof your shoes I can tell that I
like my bottom.
My left side of my heel getsmore impact than any other part.

(35:03):
So I already know I'm probablyrunning wrong this whole time.
But is that a good indicationof whether or not you are doing
the running correctly?

Speaker 10 (35:12):
Yeah, there are so many little fun clues I I've
noticed also if you run on thebeach barefoot like the sand
doesn't lie Very good pointYou're like oh, I see what I'm
doing.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Right.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
Um, I, yeah, I wouldn't beat yourself up.
You know you're running, you'refine, you're doing great Um, um
the.
The thing that they wouldrecommend, I think, is just work
on strengthening those musclesof your lower leg.
And they say it's kind of likethey don't want you to obsess
over your running form whileyou're running.
I want you to just run free andeasy.

(35:46):
But when you go into the gymwork, give your body the the
like range of motion andstrength to move in better ways
and then just kind of let it dothat.
They say it's kind of likeputting the keys in the ignition
of a sports car in the driveway, like someone's going to drive
the car.
You know, like like you justgive your body this capacity and
then just go run and enjoyyourself.

(36:07):
They don't want you worryingabout all this Because, frankly,
our brains aren't good atmanaging landing.
It all happens too fast.
You want to do itsubconsciously.
But yeah, I think I used towork at a gym with a woman.
She would just take the insolesout of your shoe and just put
it on the ground.
Everyone's like, oh, look howHenry's landing.

Speaker 15 (36:29):
It's like no lying.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
That's funny.
Yeah, you say injuries aren'tlike an act of God.
There's something underlyingthat's going to cause it.
So are there specific red flagsthat suggest someone is headed
toward an injury before itactually happens?

Speaker 10 (36:46):
Yeah, tons, tons.
So the one that at P3, theywill literally stop the workout
and not let you keep going iswhat they call translation.
This is landing on the outsideof your foot and then having
your weight roll to the inside.
It's quite common to have alittle bit of that roll to the
inside.
It's quite common to have alittle bit of that, but if you
do it a lot, then your shin willmove like a windshield wiper

(37:13):
and if it's more than 25 degreesof movement then it's a giant
risk of all sorts of injuries,acl tear being tip-top among
them.
So that's one of the biggestones.
The ones that they get mostworried about are ground contact
things.
Another one they don't like atall terror being tip top among
them.
So that's like the.
That's one of the biggest ones.
Like the ones that they getmost worried about are ground
contact things.
Another one they don't like atall is like if one of the
standard tests they do is tohave you stand on this 18 inch

(37:35):
plyometric box and then you juststep off and land on two feet
on the force plates, and it'spretty common that people will
land toes down and then the nextthing that happens after that
is, your toes don't catch nearlyall the weight of your body.
So then you slam your heelsdown and the top of the heel is

(37:57):
the bottom of your tibia, right,this is your lower leg bone.
At the top of the tibia is theknee.
So now you're putting all thisforce, like this collision, this
bony on-ground collision, isnow putting all this force right
into your knee, which isassociated with a lot of bad
stuff.
That's two.
I'll tell you one third, a thirdone that is my own personal
favorite.

(38:17):
This has ruined some chunks ofmy life.
I'm what they call a blender,where I don't naturally absorb
forces in my hips.
So when I land, I tend to havemy ankles and knees bend, and
then not my hips, which meansthe force that's supposed to go
into my glutes instead just kindof travels up into my lower

(38:39):
back, and it has damaged thingsthere, right.
So they see that and like it'snot, that's, they don't love
that.
I got you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those are some of the top ones.
They could go all day, thoughyou know they've been.
They've had 134.4 terabytes ofdata with just all these lessons
.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah, they really stress the importance of the
hips.
I recognize that I love the onereview, the one review, the one
one-line review you had of yourbook where the I don't remember
the reviewer's name he said ifyou have hips, buy this book.

Speaker 10 (39:10):
That's my favorite too.
I love that that was prettycool.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So, henry, if a young athlete or a runner wanted to
stay injury-free for life weknow that's hard but if they
were going to try and attempt to, what is the most important
thing that that athlete shouldfocus on?

Speaker 10 (39:29):
I think movement vocabulary right.
Movement is very closelyassociated in your brain with
language.
They work very similarly and Ithink when you're young you just
have a better capacity to learnlanguage, right, we know this.
But I think you also want tohave a huge vocabulary of
movement.
So I think it's importantliterally to have the thing
where you, like your friendthrows the Nerf football, and
you dive off the dabbing boardand twist through the air and

(39:51):
catch it, right, I think.
Like, or you learn how to climba tree or surf.
Or when someone says, hey, doyou want to come do this thing,
I think you should say yes,right.
I think that it's harder if youget to 30 and you haven't moved
all kinds of crazy ways.
It's just tougher to learn howto really feel comfortable doing
these things.
And it's maybe a modern problemthat our kids are not just

(40:11):
naturally scrambling aroundoutside 24-7, right.
So I think that the most thing,most common thing, is just say
yes, do stuff, move a lot, playa lot of different sports,
bounce around, dance.
You know all these things andyou know.
Second, from that, there was onelittle interesting note where
you know Marcus has three kidsand they're great athletes all

(40:33):
of them.
But one thing he said that hewould do is he would just notice
how they jumped and landed atyoung ages, like three or four,
he'd say, hey, can you hop onyour left foot, can you hop on
your right foot?
And if they're bad at one ofthose and you'll see it with
four-year-olds just fall over,right, just have them practice
the one they're bad at, right,just have them spend a little
extra time just getting.

(40:54):
It's just a little neurologic.
It's just like learning how todecline a verb in French or
something right, like, just geta little bouncy Probably your
kid has.
They're not stuck on their leftor their right or whatever.
Like, just brush that up alittle while you're still young
and plastic and it might pay offlater.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
You know there's a great quote.
I love this quote out of thebook I think again it's Marcus
where he says movement, movementis everything, movement and
relationships.
I think that's beautiful, Imean, as I I'm I'm an aging
runner and I'm fond of tellingfriends if you want to keep
moving, you got to keep moving.

Speaker 14 (41:27):
Totally.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
And so.
So I think there's a veryimportant lesson there.
Do you think, henry, do youthink that, uh, marcus's work is
leading to a new frontier ininjury prevention and
performance training?

Speaker 10 (41:42):
I would not have written the book if I didn't.
And performance training Iwould not have written the book
if I didn't.
Yeah, I really think.
Look, I'm sure there are peoplewho will argue about this or
that conclusion and the scienceof ACL prevention or whatever,
but the big picture, I think, isnot going away, which is that
MRIs and x-rays will no, andsurgeons, orthopedic surgeons,
will no longer dominate theinjury conversation.

(42:02):
Right, they're coming in waytoo late, right?
I think that move, granularmovement data is so much more
useful.
It's just such a better.
It's the echocardiogram of thisthing, right, I just think this
is blatantly a way better dataset and I don't think we're
going to go back.
I think this is starting atotal epochal shift, as you
suggest.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Henry, it's been fun.
It really is.
I enjoyed reading the book.
Again, I'll go back to what Isaid at the beginning.
It wasn't what I expected, butit was an enjoyable read and I
learned something from it.
Now, before we let you go,we're going to ask a couple of
quick response questions, andI'm going to let Jack start.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
All right.
So what's one lesson youlearned during the writing of
Ballistic that even surprisedyou.

Speaker 10 (42:51):
I tell you I was a little surprised when I was in
the middle of writing the bookand had all of this kind of
biomechanics and just kind ofall these learnings about the
body in my head and then afriend of our family asked us to
go line dancing.
Okay, and I it's something Iwould have just habitually felt
like I kind of didn't want to do, I think.
But I was like, actually,that's probably like dead on for

(43:12):
what I'm trying to learn fromthis book and I've now gone a
few times and you know I thinkit's a good application of a lot
of the lessons of the book.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
To be totally honest.
Hey, I remember in fourth grade, in in PE class, part of the
curriculum was we had to learnsquare dancing.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Square dancing.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So that makes a ton of sense to me.

Speaker 10 (43:35):
Go see your partner.
There you go.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
We were doing it in the 50s and 60s, greg, we were
doing square dancing.
That's awesome.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Quick question number two what's one movement or
exercise you'll never do again?

Speaker 10 (43:51):
You know, I think I would do everything.
That's probably some meatheadlike weightlifting thing that I
would shy away from, but mostlyI feel I'm very happy to feel
kind of empowered to move right.
I feel like mostly if peopleinvite me to do something, I'm
probably going to say yes.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Okay, for the last question here.
What's one thing most peopleget wrong about athletic
performance?

Speaker 10 (44:17):
I think we probably don't do plyometrics enough.
I think that it's easy enoughto find out what those are.
I think probably everybodyshould have a little plyometrics
, especially runners in theirlives.
It's not so hard to do.
To play my trick especiallyrunners in their lives.
It's not so hard to do, it'skind of fun.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Start small but I think it adds a lot Outstanding.
Henry Abbott, it's beendelightful talking with you.
Tell our friends again thetitle of the book, how they can
get it, and I'm sure we've got acouple NBA fans out there.

Speaker 10 (44:43):
Yeah, there's some around this time of year.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Yeah, there's a few.

Speaker 9 (44:56):
I don't know.
I'll say, bob, you forgot quickquestion number four of uh, who
he thinks is going to win thenba championship this year oh,
you can answer that if you'dlike.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
It's happening at the thing.
What's happening?
I had no, I had a question Iwant to do after this.
Hold on you, do you?

Speaker 10 (45:03):
okay, I I wrote his thing in the beginning of march.
I think the thunder are goingto win it all and I stand by it
I.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
You know it's been a little bit of a wobbly road, but
I feel like they're the bestteam in the nba you know, it
still boggles my mind when, whenchet holgrim came into the
league and I'm like how is thisbeanpole gonna survive in the
nba?
And but the way that he'sflourishing, I mean good on him
and and hopefully the you know,hopefully the thunder pulled out

(45:29):
.

Speaker 10 (45:30):
So he trained at P3.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Oh, he did Okay.

Speaker 10 (45:33):
He came to P3 and Marcus has the potential to be a
little bit grandiose, I guess,sometimes with his statements.
But I was there with Chet andhis family on the sidewalk
outside P3 and after Chet hadbeen there for six, seven weeks,
he's a very, very hard worker.
He's like a they real.
Everyone reveres just howdedicated he is and he's he can

(45:54):
really move and um.
So Marcus was like look, I'mtelling all these teams that
call you know like he's good forfive years even if he doesn't
do.

Speaker 8 (46:11):
And then he got like LeBron, stepped on his foot in
the charity game, like the nextweek.

Speaker 10 (46:13):
But anyway, mostly his, his P3 assessment is very
good and he moves really welland I think the idea is that you
know, obviously people get hurt, but but yeah, anyway, all
right, jack, what do you have?

Speaker 6 (46:23):
So this is this can go with one of the quick
questions.

Speaker 10 (46:30):
So your last name's Abbott.
Have you ever done Abbott WorldMajor?
I don't even know what that is.
Oh wait, those are the bigmarathons, right?
Yeah, from.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Abbott Pharmaceuticals.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right,that's right.

Speaker 10 (46:38):
This is coming back to me now.
I think the Boston is Bostonone, Absolutely New York one.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yes, in New York and Chicago in the US.

Speaker 10 (46:48):
The only marathons I've run are Philadelphia and
Baltimore.
No, I don't think I've done AbWorld Major.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
You should go and do one.
That way you can get a medalwith your last name on it.
That'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 10 (46:59):
Someone told me that the word Abbot is a big deal in
Hawaii.
It's like some big family.
You'll get great seats inrestaurants and everything I'm
interested.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Maybe I should go to Hawaii.
You'll try that when you runthe Honolulu.

Speaker 10 (47:12):
Marathon this December?
Yeah, for sure, yeah, Okay.
So, Bob, you asked me a whileago what the name of the book is
.
It's called Ballistic the NewScience of Injury-Free Athletic
Performance.
You can get it anywhere.
If you go to henryabbottcom atthe end of Abbott, then it will
connect to you so you can orderit through your local bookshop
or whatever your favorite placeis.
And I have a little freenewsletter there too, if you

(47:33):
want to sign up for.
Just want to have weirdthoughts about how cheetahs run
or how to be bouncy, that kindof stuff.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
This is I think I will do that, yeah, do that,
yeah.
Like I said, I got over to TrueHoop, but I didn't get to Henry
Abbott dot com.

Speaker 10 (47:48):
I got over to True Hoop, but I didn't get to.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
HenryAbbottcom.
Henryabbottcom.

Speaker 10 (47:50):
You're all welcome there, I will definitely do that
.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
It's been great fun.
I really did enjoy it.
Thank you so much for sharingyour time with us and, heck, I
don't know, maybe we'll see youat a future run, henry.

Speaker 10 (48:02):
That would be so fun .
Thank you for reading the book.
Honestly, I can tell you, youguys did the homework and I know
your time is precious and I'mtouched that you spent the time
on this book, so thank you.
Well, it was worthwhile.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Thank you.
Hey, henry, thank you, thankyou for recognizing that we read
the book.
I think that tickled me whenyou said that, because I know
that not everybody does.
I appreciated the fact that itshowed that we had paid

(48:33):
attention and it was aninteresting read.
Guys, ballistic, it was aninteresting read.
Let's take a look ahead.
In our schedule coming up nextweek, grant's going to be with
us from the Pelkey Running Club.
You've seen their shirts, theirhats.
Grant will tell you how it gotstarted and all about it.

(48:54):
I don't think we'll have aspecial guest on that episode,
but we might.
We'll see.
Hey, I mentioned at the top ofthe episode that we're going to
recap the London Marathon.
We had 11 friends from fourdifferent countries drop in to

(49:14):
tell us about it and here's whatthey had to say.
Friends, let's go back a coupleof weeks back to the London
Marathon.
Normally we do this a littlecloser, but I like to give
everybody a chance to get home,get settled, and then, of course
, we had other events thatinterceded.
So, while a couple of weekslate, it's time to recap the

(49:36):
London Marathon.
We got a great crew with us todo that and I'm going to ask our
friends to introduce themselves, and I'll start with Carolyn.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
Hi there I'm Carolyn.
I live in Maitland or Orlando,greater Orlando right, and
London Marathon was my thirdworld major marathon when we ran
.
Jen Rickerson, who's also onthe call, is my running buddy
for most of my races.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
Oh, very good.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
So she can talk next.
But our theme for this race waswe.
We ran, had two stars, sostraight on to london hot dog
anna.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
How about you?

Speaker 15 (50:14):
hey, I'm anna.
I'm uh in cornwall in the uk.
This is my second londonmarathon and my second uh major
and, yeah, great fun yeah, Iapologize for the american anna
and not the british anna.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
It sounds, you know.
I think Anna sounds better.

Speaker 15 (50:32):
Well, you know, Anna's a princess.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
There you go.
We'll go with that.
Jane Carolyn already gave you asemi introduction.

Speaker 11 (50:42):
Jennifer's on the call and, yeah, this was my
third world major running withCarolyn and six overall marathon
.
Ok, yep, and I'm fromGainesville Florida, so a couple
hours north of the Orlando crew.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Just up the road.

Speaker 11 (51:02):
Yep Just up the road .

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Now Jennifer.
I know Jennifer's from aroundhere, but Jennifer's not around
here right now.
Are you, jen?

Speaker 12 (51:09):
So, yes, I'm from the Bradenton area, but I am
still in London.
This was my seventh marathon,my second star, and, like Jen
and Carolyn, I ran with Jason,so we might have some overlap in
our stories as well, but it's agreat race.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Good deal, I'm bouncing back and forth.
Let's go back overseas, to theNetherlands, for Laura.
Hi Laura.

Speaker 16 (51:31):
Hi there, my name is Laura.
I'm from the Netherlands.
I believe I'm the onlynon-native English speaker right
now on this call, but this wasmy sixth marathon and my second
world major.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Yeah, that's great, but for a slight accent, laura,
none of us would know you're anon-English speaker because your
command of this language isextraordinary.

Speaker 16 (51:55):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
I think I'm back over our side of the pond for Gabby.

Speaker 13 (52:00):
Hi guys, I am Gabby.
I am from Northeast Ohio andthis was my second world major
but 12th marathon.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Oh, outstanding Back to England for Amy.

Speaker 17 (52:14):
Hi, I'm Amy.
I'm from England, hertfordshire, so I did something a little
bit different.
I didn't actually run theLondon marathon as the major,
but I did the virtual my way andwe ran the London marathon in
reverse at midnight, and so westarted at Buckingham Palace and
finished yeahathon in reverseat midnight, and so we started
at Buckingham Palace andfinished yeah, in Blackheath,

(52:35):
and then we spectated after.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
That was awesome.
We talked about that on thepodcast.
You gave us a good report andwe did talk about it.
That's pretty neat.
You can tell us how that wentin a minute.
Let me keep going, jason.
Hey, jason.

Speaker 9 (52:47):
Hi there.
I'm Jason from or currentlyliving in Stephenville, texas.
London was marathon number 10and star number six.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Yeah, that's a biggie , buddy, that's a biggie.
You are one of the group and Ithink you're not the only one
here, in fact, I'm almostcertain who did Boston and then
London, right, correct, yeah,okay, grace, how you doing.

Speaker 14 (53:11):
Hi, I'm doing well.
I'm Grace.
I am coming from New York City,about a mile from the New York
City Marathon finish line, andthis was my third star and
seventh marathon.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Outstanding.
Devin, I think you're one ofthose Boston to London people,
aren't you?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
I am, yes, hi.
So Jason and I both actuallydid Boston to London and I'm
from Massachusetts, but I alsolive in Northeast Ohio, like
someone else on the call.
So Boston and London were mythird and fourth stars in like
my 19th marathon.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Wow, Impressive and not last, but the final person
I've gotten to on this callTara's with us.
Hi, Tara.

Speaker 18 (53:54):
Hello, hello, yes, I'm from the North.
So Ottawa, ontario, canada, Itrained for you know all during
the winter months and thendidn't realize that London would
be hot.
That's a story for later, butLondon was my fourth world major
seventh marathon, so thebiggest challenge of them all is

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to attempt to get into Bostonand Tokyo for next year.
So you Boston people, send yourgood vibes my way, because I
need all the pixie dust I canfind that I can have so I can
get into Boston.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
All right, fantastic, thanks guys.
Gosh 11, 11 folks, fourcountries represented.
Pretty neat With a group thisbig.
Rather than just go around thehorn and asking questions, I'm
just going to ask a generalquestion and if you guys got a
good story, please chime in.
Let's start with.
I'm going to start with Jasonand Devin and I'd like to know

(54:53):
about your travel arrangementsto get those two marathons in in
six days.
Jason, you want to start?

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Flew to Boston on Friday after being on call the
night before floor um did bostonmonday.
Uh, flew red eye monday ortuesday night from boston to
london.
Got into london wednesday aboutnoon, went to the expo

(55:20):
wednesday and got ready to runlondon and then came home the
following tuesday I knew, buthad forgotten the fact that
Boston's a Monday race.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Yeah, it's not a weekend, so that kind of throws
a little wrench into it.
That makes it even tougherDevin.
How did that work out for you?

Speaker 4 (55:37):
I did pretty much the same thing, probably less
successfully, though, because Ididn't make it to the Expo for
London.
I was also on that red eyeTuesday night.

Speaker 9 (55:51):
I don't know if you were on the Delta one, jason.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Um, I was not actually flew through Charlotte.
Oh smart, yeah, so I yeah, no,I was.
I was direct um and that was myfirst experience getting uh,
food poisoning that week.
Um oh no so so I didn't make itto the expo when I get in in
Wednesday.
Fortunately, london Marathon, Ithink, is the only major that
allows someone else to pick upyour bib, so I can't tell you
much about the expo.
So then I spent the next fewdays in a hotel room, and then I

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ran the London Marathon.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Devin.
That's tough, just fromrecovering from the illness and
the dehydration associated withsomething like that.
How'd you get past that?

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Well, I got past the first bout pretty well and I
went out, went to the black dogand did a shakeout run and then
I ate an omelet in the hotelroom and got food poisoning
again the day before themarathon oh gosh so yeah and did
it anyway travel arrangements.
I can't talk too much about howwonderful london was as a place

(56:47):
because I didn't, unfortunately, see a lot outside of the
marriott that's too bad.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
It really is.
I'm sorry that happened.
I'm glad you still were able tocomplete um audio only podcast.
We are recording where we cansee one another.
Gabby, who's your friend?

Speaker 13 (57:02):
this is my daughter, rosie.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Rosie.
Rosie's a future marathoner.
No, no doubt.

Speaker 13 (57:08):
Oh, yes, I posted a while back in the thing, but I
did a dopey to dumbo with her inmy stomach.
Ah so she's nine months today,but she's a future runner in the
making.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
She's one of our hashtag dopey babies.

Speaker 13 (57:24):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Okay, gabby, since I'm talking with you, let's just
for the sake of time.
I'm going to ask you just giveme your general thoughts and
maybe some of the highlightsfrom the marathon for you.

Speaker 13 (57:36):
Overall, I thought the marathon was amazing.
The crowd support was likenothing I'd ever seen.
It got very hot I mean I'm sureeveryone's going to talk about
that and in my opinion there wasnot enough water stops.
My recommendation to anyonerunning this in the future.

(57:56):
Bring your own water, oh okay,or a?

Speaker 5 (57:57):
running vest and did you have a little problem with
the water stops?

Speaker 15 (58:01):
oh, I just thought I I've run many races in the uk
obviously before, and I thoughtlondon last time I ran it had
more water stops.
The major problem I have withthe water stops this year was
they all tended to be on oneside of the road.
So if you're on the oppositeside of the road and you spotted
the water spot, you then had tocross through all the runners

(58:21):
to get to said water stop, tothen grab a water, to then carry
on running, which we.
You know they're quite long butit's still a bit of a a faff to
get across like everyone else.
And yeah, that I definitely was.
Not enough water stops,especially for us brits, because
you know we're not used to feet.
You know everyone, like online,was like oh, it's not that hard

(58:44):
, it's nice, I'm like no well,I'm.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
I'm going to shift over to Jen R who's in
Gainesville.
Was it hot, jen?

Speaker 11 (58:54):
well, by Florida standards it wasn't hot, but I
was still hot.
We didn't start till 11 o'clockor so, so it was a beautiful
day, you know 70s, no clouds.
So we're starting at 11, zerocloud cover.
It was hot.
Um, I know we were worriedabout water before they
announced how many water stops.
We were researching fromprevious years and said 12, and

(59:15):
then this year there was nine,which disney it's like 19.
So, um, they did give outlittle water bottles that are
like eight ounce, I think, waterbottles, so we brought
handhelds to hold those so wecould shove the handheld in the
pockets for photos at the finishline.
But, um, and I was glad to havethat, because the last water

(59:37):
stop there was like three milesbetween it and I was done.
I was like where's the water?
Because I don't normally needas much water, but I did that
day because it was.
It was a little, uh, a littlewarm, without any clouds.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
So so if one of my fellow Floridians says it was
warm, I'm believing them.
Jennifer, as long as I'm onJennifer's.
Jennifer, was it kind of warm?

Speaker 12 (59:56):
It definitely got warm when there was no shade
around.
I think it also depended onwhere you were in the race,
because we took it really,really slowly and I think they
might have brought in more waterat some point because we had a
lot more stops and we had we sawstops on both sides of the road
quite a few times.
So I think it just depends onhow fast or slow you might have

(01:00:18):
been as to what you thoughtabout the water.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
I think.
I think that may have happened.
I read it on Facebook and itwas just too fast, I think
hardly.

Speaker 15 (01:00:26):
I do have to say, though the I don't know if
anyone else thinks it theshowers were a godsend.
Oh, yes running through thoseshowers was like the greatest
like the best I have to saycarolyn, did you run through the
showers?

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
no, I avoid them at all costs already wet and
sweating.
I don't want to go through morewater and have my feet be wet.
That's just a Jen and I thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Okay, but stepping back from the heat and the
hydration problems, let's getback to some highlights of the
event itself.
Carolyn, what were some of thehighlights of this event for you
?

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
I think the absolute highlight was the crowds.
I know I ran New York City thatwas my first world major with
Jen again and we were just blownaway by the crowd support and
we're like I think London'sgoing to be similar and it just
it was nonstop noise yelling.
We had names on our shirts,they were screaming our names

(01:01:26):
every few seconds.
There's just one tunnel.
That was quiet, that was it.
And I remember thinking duringthe race I thought it was, you
know, cute or interesting thatthey had a quiet zone at the
finish line and after like a 20miles or so I was like I
understand why there's a quietzone oh, I'll be darned.
That's interesting so you canjust zen out after all of that

(01:01:47):
input.
There's a lot of people justcheering and supporting you and
there's all the charity supportgroups and just Londoners out
cheering for you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
It does tend to keep the adrenaline and the emotions
high, doesn't it?
And sometimes that takes alittle energy in itself.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
It does.
It takes a lot out of mepersonally.
You know I get so excited andamped up and then I'm like, oh
my gosh, I heard it's mile 21.
And then you're like oh,they're cheering for me.
World Majors are terrific andI'm sure London is fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
But you run through or around some neat landmarks,
don't you?

Speaker 16 (01:02:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
One of the highlights for mewas running across Tower Bridge
and I knew the course a littlebit and I knew we would turn a
corner and we would see thetower bridge.
But in my mind it was halfway,so around 21 kilometers, but it
showed up a little bit sooner,so I got that surprise moment,

(01:03:01):
turned a corner and there it was.
We got the tower bridge all byourselves.
Well, with a couple of thousandother runners.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
But that's nice yeah, that was.

Speaker 16 (01:03:11):
That was a really great experience.
I was thinking, well, whatmakes the london marathon unique
?
Well, it's the, it's the sightsthat you see, and, um, it would
also make me laugh when I knew,when a british person
accidentally hit me or uh got anelbow or something like oh
sorry, sorry, sorry, are you allright?
I'm like.
Oh yeah, I'm fine, you'reyou're, you're fine, no worries.

(01:03:34):
And the crowds also.
Um, I also ran with a charityuh shirt with my name on it, so
it was very unique to hear comeon, laura darling, you got it ah
, that's nice.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
That's nice.
Yeah, tara.
Laura says that she knew it wasa uh, a british person I would
contend it might have been acanadian also who would act that
way.
Uh, american would probably say, hey, get the heck out of the
way or something.
No, I don't.
I.
I always apologize if I bumpinto people.
Uh, tara, how, how was it?

Speaker 18 (01:04:05):
tell us about your race I laugh because, yes, I've
done seven marathons, but itdoesn't mean that they're any
easier oh true, and you know,you kind of like I've done it,
I've done it, it's fine, I coulddo this, I could do this.
Yeah, I can do that.
But three miles into the run Iwent oh my goodness, this heat

(01:04:26):
is intense and I think it justmentally really hit me hard,
harder than I thought you knowfor going into it.
It's just another marathon.
No, no, it really hit me hard,to the point where those water
stops.
Carolyn, that you didn't likethe sprays, oh my gosh, I chased
them and normally I wouldn'twant them.
I literally chased them when Isaw them.

(01:04:48):
They saved me.
I actually did have thehydration vest with me,
completely full.
I had salt tabs, I had all mynutrition and I still probably
every other water stop.
I would actually grab the.
I liked the plastic bottles.
I was actually kind of worriedthat they might've been kind of
like a like a tripping hazard,but it was actually.

(01:05:09):
They were very, very organizedand keeping everything to the to
the plastic bottles.
I was actually kind of worriedthat they might've been kind of
like a like a tripping hazard,but it was actually.
They were very, very organizedin keeping everything to the to
the side and I would actuallyput some, you know, on my neck
and on my head and then justkeep it in my my vest with me
and so I really liked that.
But I struggled for probablymile 16, with the highlight was,
thankfully at that kind of what11 and a half mile to go over

(01:05:31):
tower bridge, which truly, youknow, brought me out of the zone
.
I was super excited to cross itand exhilarated and I get
across.
I went.
Oh gosh, I'm still hot, oh,yeah it was just that.
So it in that that quiet zoneunderneath the the bridge was
actually the point where I couldfinally just cool down.

(01:05:52):
I used the porta potties.
There was no line and I justfound that spot again and I
started going and by then, too,the salt taps started kicking in
, because I actually hadcramping in my legs.
I never had that before.
So that was something to reallythink about.
But really, the people wereamazing, the spectators and

(01:06:12):
really everybody around.
It was just I, this, this energythat, even though it was hot,
just the runners around stillhad this kind of excitement and
this energy and this happiness,despite, you know, everything
that we were going through and,yeah, going right to the end and
then seeing big ben, and it wasjust like, oh I, so close, yet
just a little further, you know,and really, I really think that

(01:06:35):
the way that London Marathonorganized everything, despite
the heat and, you know, keepingeverybody informed, you know,
hydrate, hydrate, hydrate Ireally commend London Marathon.
It was a fantastic race.
As much as I had a challenge, Iactually loved the experience
and, you know tears and emotionat the end as I'm going across

(01:06:56):
the finish line and yeah, so itwas fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Well, Grace, let's pick up on that.
Tara talked about getting tothe end of the event.
How was the event for you?
Was there anything specialabout the finish of this
marathon?

Speaker 14 (01:07:11):
Sure.
So I will say I had a tough daywith the heat and just coming
from you know, I live in theNortheast.
I trained all through thewinter.
We had a pretty cold winterhere in New York, so I'm not
heat adapted yet, so I had apretty tough day but I had a
really good time despite that.
Um, one other thing about thecourse that I really thought was

(01:07:31):
fun, with all the costumes andthe people going after world
records you know, the, thepeople going after like the
fastest marathon, dressed as afruit or something you know.
Um, I was running, um, I wasrunning, especially towards the
end, near a guy in a giant rhinohead costume, which was really
fun.
I noticed earlier there was onepoint, right, I think, around

(01:07:57):
mile, maybe right after wepassed Tower Bridge, where there
was some almost out and back,where we were going out towards
the, towards towards like mile16 or so, and the people who
were faster were coming backtowards the finish line, and I
passed some people, um, who werein like a Scooby-Doo mystery
machine costume, um, which wasreally cool.

(01:08:19):
So, you know, things like that.
Those were really fun, um, butthe finish line itself was was
amazing, um, I think.
So I've run three majors Berlin,new York and London and what I
think is really cool about themis each one of the finishes.
There's something reallyspecial about them.
You know, in New York it'sCentral Park and in Berlin it's

(01:08:40):
a Brandenburg Gate and here, youknow, you pass Big Ben and then
you pass Buckingham Palace andyou're finishing on the mall
with the flags, and you knowthere's a lot of energy around
the finish line and I thoughtthat was really fun.
So, yeah, I think that thefinish line here, like that last
mile or so, is just kind of.
Obviously you're hurting, it'smile 25 of a marathon, but

(01:09:02):
there's a lot of energy aroundit and the sites are really,
really great.
So I thought that was awesome,really great.
So I thought that was awesome.
One thing I will say is I wasnot prepared for how much I
struggled to get out of the parkafter.
So I only want to bring this upbecause when people talk about
the majors, people give New Yorka really hard time.

(01:09:23):
And I get it it is.
It's a trek out of the park,it's a long walk, but because
that's the one that people talkabout being a tough walk out, I
wasn't expecting this, and so II think if I had been prepared
for it, I would have been alittle less.
Um, I I ended up.
It took me like an hour and ahalf to get out of the park.

(01:09:45):
I was.
I was just tired after um afterthe marathon and.
I just couldn't figure outwhere I needed to go and there
wasn't quite enough direction.
So I think it's something thatjust, if you're running this
race, have a plan, because Ididn't have a plan and that
backfired on me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Be ready for it Do?

Speaker 15 (01:10:02):
you have the steps option or the non-steps option.
Yeah, there's two routes out.
There's a non-steps option andthen there's the evil steps
option, where you have to go upa flight of stairs.

Speaker 14 (01:10:16):
That, that was the one I eventually found my way to
and my hotel was near thelondon eye so I could kind of
see it and I knew I was kind ofheaded in the right direction,
but I couldn't figure out how toget there all right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
So 10 people have told us about the marathon, but
Amy, apparently they all did itthe wrong direction.

Speaker 17 (01:10:40):
Yeah, they were supposed to start at midnight
and gone the other way, yeah, soI didn't get do the virtual
London Marathon my way and founda group on Facebook that
actually meet about 1130 atnight on Birdcage Walk, so about

(01:11:02):
400 meters down from the startbecause it's at the finish,
because it's all blocked off.
So our start and then it startsat one minute past 12, because
for those who are doing thevirtual London, you have to
start your watch, uh, aftermidnight for it to log as a
Sunday run, because you have todo it on the Sunday.
Um, yeah, so there was about Iwe're not really sure because

(01:11:23):
it's not actually an officialevent.
You just turn up and you justgo and do your thing.
Um, so there may be about 400people.
I think it's really.
Yeah, I think it's reallyescalated over the last couple
of years.
So, yeah, so we all congregateon birdcage walk and then we do
the london marathon course, butobviously going the other way.
So start big bends, like ourstarting point, along embankment

(01:11:46):
.
Um, they tried to keep peoplein pace groups where possible,
but again it was.
You had to be completelyself-sufficient.
Take your own staff.
They had a couple of people whovolunteered to be um do a couple
of aid stations, uh, throughoutum, which was so quiet because
they would have been out therefrom you know, sort of two
o'clock in the morning waitingfor people to come round um, and

(01:12:06):
we obviously ran by moonlightnot sunlight, so it was a bit
chillier for us, which wasprobably probably a good thing,
um, and yeah, so I kind of wentas a solo runner so I didn't
know anyone before I went, buteveryone was really friendly.
Um, you know, met a couple ofpeople at the start and we sort
of all just stacked together,stuck together throughout,
because everyone just kind ofgot really split up.

(01:12:27):
Um, after that sort of firstinitial crowd along embankment
area and we finished about 100meters from the official start
line of the London Marathon,about well, my group finished
about six o'clock in the morning, um, just before six in the
morning at Blackheath, yeah, andthen you hung out to cheer for
the marathoners.
I did, yeah, so we went to um.

(01:12:49):
I met my friend after and wewent to just after mile 21 on
the Rainbow Row where we sawAnna and Devin and then actually
Grace we were looking for, butGrace saw us first.
So that was really good to seea few familiar faces out on the
course as well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
I just wanted to thank Amy because, after having
just done Boston and then beingunwell in the days preceding the
actual race and the heat,unwell in the days preceding the
actual race and the heat, I wasjust about to walk off course
around like mile 21 and then Iactually heard her and miranda
like screaming for me and like,honestly, that kept me on the
course.
So I really don't think I wouldhave finished without you guys.
So thank you, can I also shoutout amy.

Speaker 15 (01:13:27):
And then heather of another um riser runner who was
about mile 17.
Yes, and she had like she hadplastic cheese yes it was
amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:13:39):
So, yeah, big shout out to heather as well she had
an individualized age stationthere, I think well, I just
wanted to jump in it wasactually my birthday on the
marathon day, that's right shehad uh, I'm not sure what
they're called exactly, but sometraditional treat thing with
candles and everything and itwas fantastic.
That was just such a greatmoment and Jason really enjoyed

(01:14:02):
the plastic cheese that she hadto just say.

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
I did.
She sent me off with a cup ofplastic cheese and a bag of
chips.
Some might say yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:14:14):
So two quick things the holler hypes from everybody
through incredible, likeeveryone is incredible in this
whole community, um, and thesecond thing did anyone else get
a high five from gordon ramseyat mile 13?

Speaker 9 (01:14:31):
because I did nope, nobody else no wow I wouldn't
have recognized him, if I wouldhave no, I looked up.

Speaker 13 (01:14:40):
I was surprised.
I looked up at mile 13 and hewas like rooting people on just
cheering over the edge of thethe barricade and I got a high
five real quick and I keptrunning.
I wish I had my phone out totake a picture, but that's
pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
Well, friends, I genuinely want to thank you for
taking time out of your Sundayafternoon Mother's Day to visit
with us and tell us about theLondon Marathon.
So before we let you go,carolyn, what's up next for you
and when will we see you atDisney again?

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Well, my next race on schedule is Wine and Dine
weekend, the 5k and thechallenge.
Actually I'm bringing my nephew.
He will be nine.
It will be his first run Disneyfor that 5k at Wine and Dine,
so I'm very excited.
But the next world major isChicago.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Outstanding Anna.
How about you?
I'm sorry, wait, wait, wait,wait, wait, wait, anna, how
about you?

Speaker 15 (01:15:34):
So my next race will be a local race called Indian
Queen Taff Marathon, which isone of my favorites because they
have a brass band about milethree, which is amazing At
Disney.
My next Disney race will beDisneyland in September.
Oh, I'm doing the 5K and thechallenge and I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Awesome, awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:15:58):
Jen R from Gainesville.
How about about you?
Yeah uh, almost the same ascarolyn.
We got chicago marathon comingup in october and we're
fundraising for that.
Um signed up for wine and dinechallenge and got a team going
for dopey in january what's youruh, what's your charity for uh
chicago, for?
Chicago.
Uh, we're running for Camp.
One Step, team, one Step is ourlittle chat, so yep.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Yep, Pop it into our charity thread there.
Okay, See if that helps you outa little bit.
Jen, assuming.
Well, you have to get home yet,but what do you got on the
schedule?

Speaker 12 (01:16:30):
I have Bird in Hand and then I'm doing right, yeah,
then I'm doing marine corps andnew york back to back oh and I
think I'm going to honolulu good, I hope you do I hope so too,
and then I will be at dopey onlyto do uh dls for the 10k great
sounds good.

Speaker 16 (01:16:50):
Laura, you're up um, so I've got, uh, four races in
the fall, probably two inamsterdam and two in my hometown
called enskede.
And um, my next run disney race.
After three dopies, I will dothe goofy challenge for the
first time okay, I think Iactually pronounced enskid a

(01:17:10):
pretty close yeah, yeah, this is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
It's a great yeah I do try, honestly, I do gabby.
How about you um?

Speaker 13 (01:17:20):
I have a local half in akron, ohio.

Speaker 17 (01:17:22):
I'm gonna be doing a good year half and then next
time at disney will be goofy injanuary awesome amy um yeah, so
I've got a local 10k coming upat the end of the month and then
my next Disney race will be theSeptember Disneyland races for
Halloween.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Very good enjoy those Jason.

Speaker 9 (01:17:42):
I've got Disneyland Halloween runs coming up.
Next I'm doing all three ofthose, followed by Marine Corps
Marathon and 100k trail run andmy oh back to the ultras.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Good for you, man.
And yeah, marine Corps, marineCorps, an anniversary this year.

Speaker 14 (01:18:01):
Yeah, 50th anniversary, yeah, awesome Grace
well, next up for me isactually I will be volunteering
at the Brooklyn half thisweekend, so rise and run,
friends.
If you're in wave two or four,look for me at the start.
Um, and then I've got a slew ofjust you know local races here
in New York.
Um, with New York road runners,and I will be running the New

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York city marathon again in thefall.
Um, I will be at uh Disneyagain for dopey in January.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
So I look forward to seeing you all there.
Yeah, we look forward to seeingyou, devin.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
I have Berlin and New York in the fall to finish my
six majors with my first Wineand Dine in between oh nice,
nice, outstanding.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Look forward to seeing you in Wine and Dine is
in October this year.
That's right.
All right, tara, bring us home.

Speaker 18 (01:18:51):
I have a local half in about two weeks and then wine
and dine 5K and challenge andlove the party.
So I'll be at the party andthen hopefully try and get into
two more majors Tokyo and Bostonnext year.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Well, great Friends, thank you one more time for
doing this for us.
It's deeply appreciated.
I hope you had fun.
Congratulations on finishingthe world major in London and
best of luck going forward.
And there you have it.
That's, uh, our second worldmajor.

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Recap of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
I got some.
I got some interesting thingsabout the London marathon that I
I want to do.
There's a bunch of worldrecords set there too.
Oh, in London, yeah, there wereJohn.
Fastest marathon wearing foamclogs, fastest marathon in a
suit, most underpants wornduring a marathon by a male 52

(01:19:54):
pairs oh my gosh, how do youeven wear that without chafing?

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I'm more concerned about cutting off circulation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
I'm thinking, if you have 52 pairs of pants on like I
just roll, I guess.
Yeah, it's like bow legged, ohman, and fastest marathon
dressed as a reptile for afemale.
Yeah, it's like beingbow-legged, oh man.
And fastest marathon, dressedas a reptile for a female Love
that.
That's some interesting things.
So 52 pairs of underpants, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
There was a big Guinness Book of World Records
set at London this year Mostfinishers, most finishers in the
marathon.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know who held theprevious record.
I'm going to guess New York.
But yeah, london set the recordand I don't have it in front of
me but something like 53,000finishers.

(01:20:49):
It was in the fifties, I'm sureof that that.
So, my friends, that means it'stime for the race report, race
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Let's start the report.
On Thursday in downtown Orlando,the Advent Health Corporate 5K.
Adanya ran this one.
I've heard of this one before.

(01:21:33):
It's apparently a fun event,except it was pouring rain
before the start.
Then they got thunderstorms atmile two and that's about all
Adanya had to say about that one, because she shows up again on
Saturday and I saw her in Tampa,florida.

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Adanya did the run with Meb.
I'm not sure if she did the 5kor the 10k, but I did see her
there.
She enjoyed it, says it was herfirst time doing that One.
Definitely won't be her last.
Laura Ann was there, I believe,but I did not see her.
I did see Judy who was there.

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Judy ran the 5k and I ran withMeb in Tampa.
It was a fun event.
It's a course in a park, it's a.
It ends up being four laps forthe 10k Two long laps, two short
laps.
Meib actually was out thererunning with us, uh, had a, had

(01:22:39):
a good race I finished with.
I like to beat my age in the10k, so I give myself 71 minutes
.
I came in at like 71 minutesand 18 seconds, I think, but
when I go back and I look abouthow many days so I'm actually 71

(01:23:01):
years, the next number of daysold I actually had 24 seconds to
work with, so I did beat my age.
So, that's an age group PR, andthe other thing is I finished
first in my age group.
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Thank you, yeah, there was, I finished first in
my age group Congratulations,thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Yeah, there was only one person in my age group.
It still counts, bob, it was me.
Absolutely.
I was the oldest male runner inthe field for the 10K.
But you know what, in spite ofjoking around and all I'm one of
one, hooray, I got a chance toshake hands with Meb for a
second time, and maybe, justmaybe, we'll get him on an
upcoming episode.
I think that would be wonderful.

(01:23:38):
Very, very nice man with anamazing history as a runner and
great love for folks like youand me.
The middle of the PackersReminds me of Jeff.
Anyway, good event there inTampa Reminds me of Jeff.
Anyway, good event there inTampa.
Meanwhile, just down the roadfrom the run with Meb, there was

(01:24:01):
an event going on in RaymondJames Stadium and I mean when I
say just down the road, I meanless than half a mile away the
Spartan Stadion 5K.
Our friend Julie did that one,but I did not see a report from
Julie.
It was interesting, though, tohave two running events so close

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together in the city of Tampaon the same day at about the
same time.
Let's go over to Atlanta,georgia, for the Atlanta Women's
4-Miler.
Jessica said it was rainy andhilly, but worth it for the
metal Very pretty metal, realflower placed inside.
And then I got a Mother's Day.
Of course I got a rose at thefinish.

(01:24:42):
That was very nice.
Sherry was there, marty wasthere, brooke also commented on
the rain.
She said she still had a blast.
Energy was incredible.
Everyone very supportive of oneanother.
This was her first four-milerace, so that's a PR.

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Brooke knocked it out in lessthan 44 minutes.
Brooke's mom, patty, also ranand she PR'd as well.
There you go, patty.
I bet you weren't expecting aPR bell from this podcast, were
you Now?

(01:25:23):
I may be mispronouncing this,but I think this is Lenore City,
tennessee.
Jimmy was there running theSpirit of Kona Triathlon 10K.
I don't quite understand theSpirit of Kona Triathlon 10K.
I don't quite understand thespirit of Kona in Tennessee.
But what the heck?
The Aloha spirit could beanywhere, right, greg?

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Absolutely.
And, like I say, jimmy findsthe most fun unique races.
So I would trust Jimmy to finda race like this, embracing that
Hawaiian spirit, in the middleof Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
Yeah Well, this was interesting.
This is his first time runningover a dam.
It's also the first time he randuring an earthquake.
There was a 4.1 in EasternTennessee.
Someone else later in the racereport comments on it, and I
love this line.
Definitely had a Carole Kingmoment.
All right, john gets that.

(01:26:15):
Anybody else here?
No, jack, no, greg.
John, you want to explain it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
No, no, I know Carole King is.
I don't know what the momentmeans, but that's why I lost it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
I feel the earth move under my feet.
Okay yeah, Good one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Jimmy.
Clicking, clicking Okay.
I love it when Bob serenades us.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
We need more of that on the podcast.
Let's see We've got flat courseto be out in backs.
Third male overall First placeage group.
You're killing it, Jimmy Way togo.
Great job, jimmy.
To Bucharest, Romania, we go.
We don't do that every week theOMV Petrum Bucharest 10K.

(01:27:03):
I looked it up.
Omv Petrum is a major powercompany in that part of the
world.
Anna, was there, not Anna?
Anna?
Was there not Anna Anna?
You'll notice that from theLondon Marathon, from the London
Marathon recap, lovely course,very flat.

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After a week of excess, withmaybe a few too many beers, she
still managed a respectable onehour and two seconds.
I'd say that is extremelyrespectable Anna, a great way to
see the city meet.
Some fellow runners Even cameaway with a few freebies at the

(01:27:46):
event village after.
She also showed me well, sheshowed all of us on Facebook the
flaming shots she had the nightbefore, and when I say flaming,
I mean like three-alarm firetype flaming.
It was impressive, the fireball.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Maybe she stayed at Animal Kingdom during marathon
weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
I don't know, let's see.
Lessa was in Ringgold, georgia,for the Dolly Dash.
We've had this come up on therace report in prior years.
Ringgold is where Dolly Partongot married.
Another musical note here Lessasays she poured herself a cup

(01:28:30):
of ambition.
Now you get that right, come on.
You guys get that right, comeon.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
I thought you were going to say that she ran from 9
to ambition.
Now you get that right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
Come on you guys get that right.
Come on, I thought you weregoing to say that she ran from
nine to five.
Well, there you go.
There you go, you got the rightsong.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
And you sure it wasn't Jolene that ran, not
Lessa, no, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
It was Lessa.
It was Lessa.
It was a little hard to tellbecause she was wearing a big
old dolly wig.
She was rocking it too.
Did good, lessa Did good andbrought home a PR.
Let's go to Greensboro, northCarolina, for the Elm Street
10-Miler where Morgan wasrunning.
Morgan hit a new PR and got aproof of time for marathon

(01:29:14):
weekend.
Morgan has been stressing aboutgetting that POT all week and
really thinks that the hollerhypes that you guys sent pushed
her to get it.
Michelle was in Erie,pennsylvania, for the Art and
Soul 5K.

(01:29:35):
In fact, michelle this is theMichelle who gave us the intro
earlier today.
I just noticed that.
Let's see.
Michelle said in this race thetop finishers in the age group
get to pick out art made by thekids and there are crafts for

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families afterward.
Despite the hills, michelleknocked out a 5k PR.
Amanda.
Amanda was in Dayton, tennessee, for the strawberry chase 10,
she also felt the Tennesseeearthquake.

(01:30:16):
She thinks she made theearthquake with her new PR in
the 10K.
Amanda's proud of their Couchto 5K group for rocking their
5Ks rocking their 5Ks.
Never imagined she'd be sayingthat.
It's been an incredible honorand privilege to encourage them

(01:30:41):
on their journey.
Still in Saturday in Louisville,kentucky, the Through the Zoo
5K.
Ashley ran that.
Melody was in Hendersonville,north Carolina, for the Jump Off
Rock 10K.
Melody says thanks for thehypes.
She'll have more on this racelater.

(01:31:02):
I'm still waiting, melody.
I haven't seen anything more,but I'm glad you had a good time
.
Christine was with Adam andMandy at the Huey P Long Bridge
Run 5K in Bridge City, louisiana.
Holy cow, another PR forChristine Uphill With a headwind

(01:31:27):
.
Who is this girl?
This is amazing.
I thought this was interestingon this race.
You know how you get your raceresults and get your splits mile
by mile.
At this bridge run they giveyou your splits for up the
bridge and down the bridge.
Interesting, yeah, andnoticeably different.
I'm not familiar with thisbridge, but it looks like it

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must have been prettysignificant.
Up to New England, to Amesbury,massachusetts, where Jake did
the Enjoy your Life Happy HalfMarathon.
Very well-run, small event.
Runs through some scenic areas.
Before returning back to thestart, weather kept getting
worse throughout the race Woundup being medium to heavy rain

(01:32:12):
for most of the race.
Jake still finished in just atiny bit over 220, a very nice
time and a 2 minute and 20second PR.
And the thing that's nice aboutthis for Jake is that time is
good enough for a dopey POT.

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Jake had a nice photo.
His young son joined him forthe home stretch Pretty cool.
Speaking of family events,monica did the run for the Gecko
5K in Melbourne, florida, finalrace in the seven race series
from Running Zone.
Now I said speaking of families, monica usually runs with the

(01:32:56):
Chaos crew.
I think this time she was outby herself, so this one was a
little tough, came straight froman overnight shift but still
managed third place in her agegroup, for which she was awarded
new socks and custom bib boards.
And Duncan was running with her15-year-old daughter, which was

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her daughter's first officialin-person 5k, and that was at
the Hippie Dash in Safety Harbor, florida.
Nothing further on that one.
Let's proceed to Sunday.
And I got to admit I was alittle surprised at the number
of running events on Mother'sDay here in the US.
I thought it would be kind oflike Easter where we had very,

(01:33:44):
very few.
But we had, oh shucks, about ahalf a dozen or so, maybe even
more than that.
Let's start in Somerville,massachusetts, for the Moms Run
M period, o period, m period I'mnot sure what that acronym's
for let's see who was thereSophie, audrey, muriel and Robin

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all ran.
Deb, chase and Mike walked,melody did the kids run and
Jamie, chester and Picklespectated at the finish line.
Pickle's a dog, pickle's acorgi.
That's a great name.
It is good, great race, not flat, still fun.

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Recommended for local friendslooking for a running activity
up there in Somerville onMother's Day Down southern
Florida, davie, florida to bespecific.
Mother's Day 5K and 5 miler.
Robbie did the 5K flat coursethrough one of the local parks.

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Chelsea did the 5 miler Firsttime racing alone, says Chelsea,
but her husband and son cheeredfrom the sidelines.
Her goal was to finish under 52minutes for the five miler and
she did it 51-41, second in herage group.
Race had a huge turnout.

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She had a blast.
That's a good time and a greatfinish, chelsea.
Another run up in Massachusetts,this one in Fall River, the
Watupa Trail Races.
Heidi did a 10K there.
Winter Garden, florida.
The Mother's Day 5K.
Heather Kay, laura and Sam whata crew.

(01:35:33):
Final race of the FloridaRunning Company season.
Laura tells us that in true Samand Mom fashion, they ended the
race with a sprint to thefinish.
Now Laura's been working on herspeed and thanks to that she
managed to stay on his heels,but he still beat her by a

(01:35:58):
second Way to go Sam.
Very proud.
That's nice guys, thanks.
You know I had something goofyhappen on this particular race.
On the Facebook group page Iget alerted to potential spam
and every time, whether it wasHeather or whoever or Laura
posted something about this race, it went into our spam folder

(01:36:20):
on Facebook.
Yeah, I saw that that wasinteresting.
I didn't quite get it and thenI would approve it and I'd find
it there again.
Anyway, I know we got itpublished, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Heather, kay, laura and Sam.
I was going to say for a secondI thought you were going to
blame Sam for all the spamming.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
You know, I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
He is a tech-savvy kid.
Let me tell you, Sam, did youdo that?

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
I'll find out later.
I'll find out later.
Let's go up north to Pickering,ontario, canada, the Seton
Scramble Trail Race.
Nicole with her mother, cheryl.
Nicole says it turns out thattrail running is a lot harder

(01:37:04):
than road running.
You think that's true, jack?

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
Yes.
The trails are a lot harder torun on, especially with the
elevation, the routes, the rocksyou're looking out for.
Yeah, you've got to watch,especially with the elevation,
the roots, the rocks, you got towatch your footing and all that
don't you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
And they ran through some streams here, I believe.
I think I saw them run.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
So you're talking about blisters too now.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
It could be.
Anyway, they survived and theyloved it.
Couldn't ask for a morebeautiful day Running trails for
the first time.
First 25K for Nicole, first 15Kfor Cheryl.
Two PR bells, please.
Copley, coplay, pennsylvania,c-o-p-l-a-y.

(01:37:47):
You've heard of it, greg.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Oh yeah, copley, it actually is right across the
bridge from where I grew up as akid.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Oh, okay, yeah, and it's also where they had the run
for the Roses 5K that Deniseran this week Beautiful day,
great medal ran with her dad,bruce, and Bruce, I'm happy to
say, won his age groupCongratulations.
Way to go, bruce.
We old guys got to sticktogether.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Nice job, I'm happy to say, won his age group.
Congratulations.
Way to go, bruce.
We old guys got to sticktogether, nice job.
Some also say that the town ofCopley, some other people I
think it's technically adifferent zip code.
Right next to it the town ofHockendockwa.
So if you're interested in funtown names, that's also very
close to Copley.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
Pennsylvania has some great city names.
They really do City and townnames.
A lot of them Native American,some of the Amish ones are.
Anyway, it's fun.
Let's go out to California, theSanta Barbara Half Marathon.
Kim did it and said it washarder than dopey, she could
have researched the landscape inhalf marathon.

(01:38:56):
Kim did it and said it washarder than dopey, she could
have researched the landscape inthe area.
But you know she listens toJack and Jack says why bother?
She comes from Houston.
Texas doesn't check out theterrain.
Surprise, not prepared for thechallenging hills.
And it was hotter than sheexpected, although I think from
Houston that probably helped.

(01:39:18):
I mean, it helped that she wasfrom Houston.
The heat didn't bother her asmuch.
A beautiful, stunning course isstarted and finished in the
quaint town of Solvang,california Earned every bit of
the wine that she consumed afterthe race.

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Let's finish up in Sandy Hook,new Jersey.
The Sandy Hook 5K.
Diana with her daughter andgrandson, dad was pushing the
grandson Well-run, flat, fastcourse.
Diana PR'd the 5K.
Diana's daughter Alyssa was theoverall female winner and her

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grandson, jordan participated inhis first race in the stroller.
His dad, jason, was doing thepushing.
I love those family affairs.
Great job.
And there we go, friends.
The race report for episode 190.

(01:40:23):
All right, my friends, and ifyou run, you know you are our
friend.
No Zoom this week, which isprobably good, because I won't
miss this one.
I won't miss the next oneeither.
I mean next week.

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I love those things.
I'm sorry, I really am sorrythat I missed it, but that's it
for 190.
Summer training time to put inthe work.
Summer training equals fall PRs.
I told you I'd say it again,but until we meet again, or
until I say it again, happyrunning.

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