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Episode Transcript
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode
of Rise from the Ashes.
I am honored to be here with mynext guest, michelle Ward.
She is a coach, she is holisticand she helps people improve
their lives with the emotionalcode.
Michelle, say hello to theworld and what you do and who
you are.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello everybody, thank you so much for having me.
It's just very generous of youto share your platform and your
time with me and who you are.
Hello everybody, thank you somuch for having me.
It's just very generous of youto share your platform and your
time with me and take aninterest.
I am a certified health coach,a certified self-sabotage coach,
a certified emotion codepractitioner We'll probably get
into that a little bit, allthese certifications later.
I started out about 25 years agowith my own health problems
(00:45):
that allopathic care wasn'thelping me with, somehow ended
up on the internet, learnedabout holistic health and
started juicing and doing allthese different things taking
sugar on my diet, takingprocessed foods out of the diet,
which was back then eatingorganic.
Everything was so crazy backthen.
But my husband was like you'rein charge of the household, you
(01:06):
do whatever you want to do.
Miraculously, within aboutthree months, that problem
resolved itself and I thought,well, maybe there's something to
this.
So I kind of went down therabbit hole of conspiracy
theories and all the things.
What I really came back to isthat at a cellular level, we
have to take care of our bodies.
What we put into our bodiescomes out through how healthy we
(01:28):
are, how well we sleep, howwell we move and how we think.
And so I moved into mindsetlike looking into mindset about
2016, maybe 2015, and learnedthat that is foundational for
healthy living.
And then that kind of evolvedinto learning about subconscious
programming and how we areprogrammed from about third
(01:50):
trimester in the womb throughage seven by our culture,
society, family, religion, mediaand all these things.
And so we're in this thetabrainwave state.
You know, during that timewe're just kind of absorbing
everything and then we'recreating our own habits and
beliefs.
That follows us into adulthood.
What may have kept us safe inthose early years no longer
(02:12):
keeps us safe.
I specialize in identifyingthose subconscious beliefs
driving behaviors that areleading to self-sabotage.
With the emotion code, I canidentify trapped energy emotions
in the body causing emotionalpain, physical pain or overall
discomfort in life.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
There's a lot there.
I want to circle back around tothe why behind it.
You mentioned there was amoment where you were going
through a lot of discomfort,pain, illness a few years ago.
What was the moment for you togo?
That's it.
I'm done with this lifestyle.
What was that pivotal momentand what was the reason behind
(02:53):
it?
Was it an external reason?
Was it your kids?
Was it your relationship?
Was it just?
I'm fed up of seeing this.
What was it?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, so I think it was an evolution over the years.
The problem that I was having Iprobably should have clarified
this is I was having troublegetting pregnant within three
months of changing my diet anddetoxing I I got pregnant and
had a daughter in 2000 andanother one 18 months later.
Now they're 23 and 24.
At that point I was doing itfor my children and my family.
(03:23):
I'm not going to feed themsugar and processed foods and I
was the weird mom.
So that was the driving forcethen.
But the problem with me is that,although I was doing all this
healthy stuff, I was still over,fat, under muscled and angry.
I would get mad abouteverything and mad at everyone,
and I was a victim in my ownlife.
(03:44):
It all kind of came to a headin 19.
And I was already doing theinner work, like the mindset
work, but everything kind ofcrashed around me.
My husband decided he wasunhappy in this marriage and
didn't want to be marriedanymore.
My kids were in college One wasa senior in high school and the
other one was a freshman incollege and then 2020 hit and
(04:07):
just all the things around that,and I had zero control over
whether they were going to getto go to school where, you know,
my senior wasn't able to do hersenior activities.
I had another business that justfailed because it required
in-person contact my dad, who Ihad a very difficult
relationship with all my life.
He had cancer, but he got adiagnosis that put him into
(04:27):
hospice.
So it was just one thing afterthe other.
There was one day, I think myhusband was telling me that done
in this marriage, and he leftfor work.
I remember looking up at theceiling and saying OK, I
surrender God, I know you've gotme, you've proven yourself in
the past and I'm just going tosurrender all this.
And so that was the moment Isaid I can't, all these things
(04:49):
point back to me.
You've heard the sayingwherever you go, there you are.
I knew I was causing theproblems in my life Obviously
not my dad's cancer but I wasangry with him, resented him,
but he had moved on.
He is a great man, or was agreat man, but I wouldn't
forgive him.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So that's kind of what the catalyst was for me I
think, for the listeners, andthank you for sharing that.
Michelle, I could tell theeternality in your voice
reliving some of.
But this is what I like abouthaving these conversations it's
and people don't realize howreal these things are until they
(05:28):
experience it or hear it andrelate to it.
You mentioned something earlierabout surrendering, and it's so
important on two levels.
One is forgiveness.
You can't control anything.
Most people in the world havethis frame of your life must
look like this, and for a verylong time your life did.
(05:52):
But they came to a point whereyou were just like actually it
can't look like that because itisn't working.
It can't look like that becauseit isn't working Instead of
trying to fix it.
You put a shortcut in there forwhat some people take 10 years
to understand.
I surrender into whatever'scoming next and whatever you
(06:12):
believe in.
What was the result after?
What was the immediate relieflike?
What was that emotion for you?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I felt like I just exhaled.
You know that was the initialfeeling, but I continued
journaling, examining mythoughts, examining my beliefs
and then questioning myself Isthat really true?
With confirmation bias, youlook for evidence to support
whatever you believe aboutyourself or your circumstances.
But I can also look back ontimes where things were
(06:42):
difficult and I shifted mymindset.
It's like the problems justdissolved because my perspective
changed.
If I did it in that situation,then I can do it in all
situations, and so I drew onpast experiences, but also drew
on what I'd been learning for 10years and started actually
putting it to the test, and itworked.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So how do the roots of burnout and subconscious
beliefs, how do they drive yourvalues?
In your own experience,coaching, I mean you've been
doing this 25 years now.
What's the commonalities yousee within that and how do they
drive productivity forward intheir lives and also, if you
wish to share, in yours?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
These subconscious programs or beliefs are
established early in life, meantto keep you safe, but at some
point those beliefs start towork against you.
For me personally, I considermyself a strong person and most
women I work with are verystrong, but they burn out
because they're wired to pushbeyond their own needs, like me,
(07:47):
Somewhere along the line,usually early in life, they
picked up a belief that theirvalue is tied to how much they
do, how well they perform, howuseful they are to others.
These subconscious beliefsbecome invisible operating
systems, the drive, decisions,boundaries and how much rest
they feel they are allowed toreceive.
So there comes the burnout.
(08:09):
Burnout isn't always aboutworkload.
It's about the internalnarrative that says if I stop,
I'll be forgotten, or if I rest,I'll lose everything I've
worked for, or if I'm notgetting 110%, I'm not worthy.
The problem is that you can'toutwork a subconscious belief
that says you don't deservepeace.
Your body, your brain, yourworld is going to come crashing
(08:30):
around.
And so until you identify thatprogramming, you'll keep
repeating those cycles ofover-functioning, resentment and
depletion.
So that's basically what Iexperienced A very bald
volunteer with the kids' school,very bald volunteering at the
church.
I was this perfect Christianwife to the outside world, I
knew what the thoughts were inmy mind always doing for other
(08:54):
people but not taking care ofmyself.
And so it ended up with mebeing very overweight as a
health coach telling otherpeople how to eat healthy.
And so it ended up with mebeing very overweight as a
health coach telling otherpeople how to eat healthy.
And I was eating healthy.
But I think the emotions thatwere trapped inside of me were
just keeping layer upon layer oftrying to protect me.
That happens a lot with peoplewho struggle with weight loss.
(09:14):
They can't understand.
I'm cutting calories, I'mexercising, I'm doing all this
stuff and I can't lose theweight.
Well, that was the same with me.
But once I released theemotions, then the weight just
started falling off.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Interesting, then for the listeners out there.
If you know someone who thisfits or sounds like, just share
it with them, because that couldbe a direction for them to go
to Michelle and say this is whatI'm experiencing.
It sounds very similar to whatyou've experienced.
Can you help?
So I encourage you to share it.
It's resonating Self-sabotage.
(09:48):
We all do it, every single oneof us, but you've done something
a little bit different withthis.
There are self-sabotagingarchetypes that you encountered
as patterns within people Inyour earlier days of forming
what you're doing now.
Where did these show up in yourlife and how do they manifest
(10:10):
now?
And if you would name them inyour clients?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Okay, yeah, so there's five that I identify in
the process.
First is the adult child, and alot of us can relate to this.
This is somebody who believesthat she must stay small or
obedient.
To stay loved or safe, she hasto follow the rules.
She can't question authoritybecause that's not safe Instead
of seeking the doctor foranother medication to fix this
(10:35):
problem is a good example.
Somebody that doesn't questionauthority.
During the 2020 situation, I wasquestioning authority.
I got not in trouble, but mykids and my husband were like
just wear the mask or stop withthe conspiracy theories.
I was like this just doesn'tseem right, so I kind of moved
out of that adult child syndromeand into taking on my own power
(10:58):
.
Another one would be the firestarter.
This is somebody who createsdrama or destruction before
things get too good.
It's like a self-fulfillingprophecy that this thing is not
going to work out, so I'm justgoing to make it not work out.
Essentially, the nervous systemis wired to expect chaos, and
maybe this is because a lot ofthis is rooted in childhood
programming, that maybe thisperson wasn't seen a lot and so
(11:22):
she or he created drama to getattention.
There's the victim, and we allknow and have played the victim
role in our lives.
The victim has learned thatpower comes from pain and
attention.
You might unconsciouslyrecreate situations that keep
you struggling, but when youstart recreating situations in
your mind about how somethinghappened, your perspective or
(11:42):
perception of the mind reallydoesn't remember exactly what
happened.
So we create our own storiesand become the victim to that
story.
There's also the financialsaboteur.
Maybe they believe that moneyis bad, it's unsafe or
unattainable.
I remember, remember my dadused to say money doesn't grow
on trees, and there was alwaysthis narrative around there's
not enough.
Breaking free from that lack ofabundance and being that
(12:05):
financial saboteur in your lifeis very freeing.
The last one I don't see awhole lot of, but it's the
failure to thrive and they'restuck in this identity of well,
I'm almost there, or I'm alwaysbusy but never arriving.
These people spend a lot oftime on social media.
They're couch potatoes, they'reoverweight.
They may go to the gym once amonth or they may be the ones
(12:26):
that start at the gym their NewYear's resolution and just can't
do it.
People have got to understand.
There's nothing wrong with you.
You're not broken, you're justprogrammed.
Part of the work I do isdeprogramming these subconscious
beliefs so you can live to yourhighest potential.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I love that.
For those people now listeningand wondering what's going on,
go back to the very beginningand listen to the full
conversation.
Michelle went through achallenging time with self-worth
and understanding that she wasat her core.
She now helps people empowerthemselves to a bigger, better,
(13:04):
brighter future from her ownexperiences with the emotional
code.
Before we go into part two, ofcourse part one is there
anything you'd like to leave theaudience with?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I think one of the things that we used to tell our
children from the time they wereyoung is that wherever you go
there you are To really reflecton what's going on inside.
You're not broken, you're justprogrammed, and it's never too
late to make a change.
It does take courage to faceyourself and to look in the
mirror, but that's what life isall about Moving from your
(13:38):
comfort zone into the nextgrowth zone.
If you think about where youare right now, maybe it's a
comfort zone, but at some pointin your life that was a growth
zone.
Keep on growing, so keep onshining.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I think it's great advice from my audience and,
Michelle, thank you very muchfor joining me today.
I look forward to part two,when we go into the ascent.
This is education.
This is where you've come from.
We're going to go into theascent what you're wanting in
the future, who your idealclient is and how we can help
you grow your business andimpact even more people.
(14:12):
Thank you very much, Michelle.
I'll see you on part two.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Great, thank you.
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