RMTS 152: Mr Beast Gets Canceled, Ava Goes To Jail?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back. I believe it's our MTS at one fifty two. Obviously,
as always, check out the merch, subscribe to both of us.
It's my gaming channel, your gaming channel. Use all the
sponsor links, use the merch links. Yeah, because for some
reason they're actually you know, liking shit. Yeah, you know,
all right, it's been a weird. It's been a weird

(00:24):
little bit before we get into the crazy, sad shit
and the disgusting shit going on. We were clearing fucking
sixty thousand views in a day for two days, three days.
Fuck yeah, guys, thanks.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
To virality like that.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know where you guys came from, but thanks
for coming and hanging out. It's been fun. But yeah,
I thought that was cool. So how's everything going, bun?
Obviously we got some crazy shit going on.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Nothing really changes, Like for Pokemon It's like next month
is a big deal because that's Pokemon Worlds. Cheaters is
probably going to get caught. Then we get the trailer
for Pokemon Legends EA. So there's burned out on Elden Ring.
There's nothing to do. I just like, yeah, just support
us if you like what we do and you like
real men talking shit. Eh, I did the thing. I'm
tired as well, like as always, I'm tired from working

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and Pokemon bullshit, but at least things are cool.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I don't know why, and I don't know if it's
just like my enjoyment of the series, but I'm actually
excited to see what they do for Zia. I don't
think I'm as burt as you are with like everything
just being bad. It's bad, but oh I don't. I'm
not saying it's gonna be great, but excited to see
what they're doing. Like I remember when X and Myy
originally was announced. The excitement when every time they eat

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the mega or saw a Mega happen, the move was
even better. Yeah, with the the a Lolan forums and
everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Also as a trailer every two weeks, like you knew
you're waking up Cora Coorra is gonna lead, Japan's got
some news. Everyone was always hype for Pokemon, and now
we haven't had eight things since February, So it just
sounds like Stockholm syndrome. You're like, I'll take any crumb
of bullshit.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think I ride on that like nostalgia of like
it's something that I know, but slightly different or like
I would have loved to see this ten years ago.
And I think I kind of like that a little
too much. But I don't know, I used to get
always so excited about it, So I'm kind of like,
h is it? Is it going to be valuable? Is
it going to be worth it?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
The Pokemon Company and the Pokemon community have made it
towards like what's there to be excited about. Everyone's toxic
and stupid and cheating, And then the Pokemon Company isn't
even giving us any like good news. They haven't made
it like X and Y and Sunny Moon on purpose.
So I want Pokemon to be good. I want to
be as hype as Pokemon, but no one's allowing that.
So it's hard.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh, I know it is. It is because there's there's
just no energy behind it right now. There's no real
energy behind anything. What's the biggest thing that's released the
fucking Eldin ring BLC And that was what three weeks ago?
Now something like that?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh that was last month.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Exactly. No fucking energy behind anything right now. It feels
like everything's so fucking dead.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's been the Internet for a while, and you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Just getting worse. It's just getting worse. Like Call of
Duty just released it season five, cod Champs happened, and
it's just like there's no energy behind anything, nothing. It's
just everything's just an energy vacuum right now, and it
just feels like everything's dead. It's weird. Like the last
hype thing that I've seen everybody get hyped behind was

(03:30):
what that fucking turn based game, boulders Gate. Oh, turn based.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah yeah, but even that had drama because like you
got to fuck a bear and people weren't having that,
And that's really all it is. It's just like boulders
Gate is the horniest RPG run you've had with your friends,
and people just wanted that.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
So what you're saying is is it turned everybody into
a furry for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, I mean it doesn't have to just be furry.
You know, you can get your hot demon mama or something.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Isn't that technically not humans? So technically wouldn't that be.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Free that doesn't fall into Ferrey's that's like other fantasy shenanigans.
I think that's really it. Like everyone's just so horny
and touchstar because we're not communicating and greading along with
each other. Balter's Gate was it. It's the porn without porn.
It's like when you watch a cam girl on switch.
I'm not actually on porn. Oh, this is safe.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's like when all these women just go out and
read smut books because they don't want to they god forbid,
they actually act out their fantasies. But you know what,
they're going to read a book about how some blacksmith
is going to bend over the anvil right now and
hammer them.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Speaking of people getting hammered, I don't know how to transition.
Mister Piece's no done.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Oh it's going to be weird if he actually gets
transitioned into this. And he hasn't really yet from what
I've seen, Like i've seen a little bit, but he's
doing the team art thing and we'll have you lay
out everything. But he's doing the team art thing, just
shutting his mouth. He's like, I'm not I'm not going
to be a part of any of this. Fuck all

(05:02):
of you. I don't care. He's just like, I'm putting
my hands up. This isn't me. So what's going on
with mister Beast?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
But well, that's the thing, Like I don't know, and
I don't think anyone really knows like the full extent
to its. Like there was the Discord Leaks that have
just like all these weird things being said about Chris
is junk and how big it is and all that,
and but before then it was oh, was Chris talking
to a fourteen year old? Yes? And then we're there

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more seems like it, and then it's hard to like
kind of see like, Okay, we have like a lot
of confirmed weird and bad stuff. But then of course
people are going to add bs to that to get
their drama or five minutes of fame or just do
their trolling. But the thing is, there's like there's points
where mister Beast is involved. It's like, how did you
not know when you're sitting in your friend's room and
there's a video of you looking over the side at

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like a lollyposter, Like at that point you'd be like, dude,
you can't be on the crew. And then there's other
things where it's like in the Discord Leaks, it's like
the person saying that is mister Beasts account in being here,
and it's.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's crazy to me, Like, for the longest time, I
remember hearing Veto talking about Lolli shit, and a whole
bunch of other people talking about Lolli shit. Mike, I
have no fucking idea what the fuck you're talking about.
I just I don't care. I don't want to know.
I don't want to know. And this has brought it
so far into the forefront of absolutely everything that I

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think it's slowly becoming more known by absolutely everybody. Like
I know, I'm that transitional kind of area where it's
like I'll know about most things, but I won't know
about everything. And then there's the generation that's younger than
us that will know all of the lingo about every
little thing that we didn't know yet. And then the
older people older than us will absolutely know nothing. They

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won't know what the fuck of Lali is. They have
no fucking idea. Yeah, unless they're absolute dgens that haven't
left their mother's basement yet.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, then like they're the ones that need their hard
drive check.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah. But it's like this is this is so insane
to watch somebody be applauded literally, what was it three
months ago, four months ago, something like that, when people
were coming out saying, Chris, give us your job, get
off of mister beast. What you're showcasing to other people
is not okay. And Jimmy came out, oh, guys, use.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
My friend fuck off or something like that.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
No, he said, I'm so done with this transphobia. He's
my friend. He's not leaving something similar to that. M
And it's just like, guys, it was never the transshit.
It wasn't make.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
It the topic kind of tricky because you need to
pull that apart, but it's also woven on all sides
and both sides because now it's like anytime anyone gets
caught with any kind of material, it's like, because they're that,
but it's like what about the other thing, because that
dude was a freak is at all points, but.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Then that's the city thing to me is like you
cannot use every little thing to your defense, Like if
I get pulled over, I can't be like I'm wait, guys,
don't do anything, or I'm a guy, guys, it's okay.
Patriarchy like nobody should be doing that. That's not how
you defend yourself. You can't just say oh, I'm adverse

(08:17):
to this, I'm sorry, like you did it. If you
did it, you did it. Accept it. Stop trying to
throw this racism, this sexism, this transgenderism into everything, because
you're making everything around you look like shit.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I think it's the polarization because like the more people
try to use it as like, oh, but I kind
of have like special protected class status that the Internet
has given me, then everyone's like, well, it's because you're
that thing, and since you made it that thing, it's
like the reason why you're doing this is because you're
that thing instead of the middle of just a weird dude.
It just like straight up wrong, regardless of whatever your
affiliation is. But don't use it as a defense because

(08:54):
then people are going to use that as an offense,
and now everyone hates each other.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
So this is this is where I get weirded out
and confused by all of this. He pushed a lot
of his ideals onto his son, and that's where I
get grossed.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
At why people are weaving it together.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's why I think people get confused and grossed out
by this shit. And I'm going to try and speak
very eloquently and very in depth, and I'm going to
speak probably horribly in this situation. So forgive me if
I misspeak a little bit. There is zero hate coming
out of my mouth. I legitimately supported so much of
this shit until this shit.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I'm like, Purdy, you know how many of my friends
are gay. I know we're having fun the entire time,
but the people call me a transphobe or homophobe or something.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's like, like my kid's godfather, All three of my
kids godfathers are gay. My godmother is gay. She's like
my second mom. So, like, I was a part of
this culture before you guys thought it was cool, not
because I'm gay, but because I understand it and like
my family was around it.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like see, we're okay to say this.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, Like it's hard though, because I'm like, yeah, I'm
engrossed in the culture enough to understand what it is,
but not engrossed in the current culture because the current
culture is fucking weird. And that's where I get confused.
It's like those people didn't make sure I turned out gay,
and that's where I get confused. Why the hell are

(10:22):
people like Chris maybe, oh my little boy's wearing high
heels and applauding him for it. Yeah, it's all about.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
It now because they don't want more tension and more
power and more momentum in the social media.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
And my godmother, who may even want to come on
here at some point she got like ten fifteen k
on TikTok. It might actually be an interesting conversation. She's like,
she's not even doing it as a job. She just
does it for shits and giggles because she's like, I
like talking to people. It might actually be an interesting conversation.
But like she is lesbian and against LGBT now like

(11:02):
Milow was back in the day. She's like, none of
this shit is acceptable. None of this shit is okay,
And it's just like and I talked to her, I
was like, why why is this the rhetoric. She's like,
we can't have kids, so we have to follow where
the kids are. So wait, there's more And I'm like, uh,

(11:24):
And it just makes.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Me in the community and saying this like you're not
allowed to say it, but we can't.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah no, And it just it makes your skin crawl
because it's like, what the fuck is genuinely their ideal?
And that's the part where I struggle because I'm not
that so I don't necessarily know exactly where their mind is.
It's like, Okay, So if you're this, how do you
think of all of this? Because I can only picture
it from my perspective, Like I'm like, okay, so I

(11:52):
want to move on with the rest of my life.
What do I want? I want somebody by my side.
Do I want a doudor chick? Nope, that's not even
a question. It is always a chick or buy my
you know what I'm saying, Like, think about it in
life scale, how do you picture that. I don't understand
where anybody can be like oh this, like what the fuck? Like,
how is that a question? Those things aren't a question

(12:15):
to me? So that's where I kind of get uncomfortable
and confused because I'm like, I don't understand. It's like religion.
Oh there's fifty different fucking answers of what possibly could
be there, and I don't understand any of them. So Chris,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Was quickly like on what you were saying is like yeah, also,
we have knows like people that are older and have
been in the community. They're upset and almost the washing
to like make to like make the bad things go away.
Because back in twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, it
wasn't a secret, it was no surprise. That's about sexual liberation,
that it's pride in that. But now it's not a sexuality.
It has nothing to do with sex. It can't have

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anything to do with sex. All those pride marches need
to be like PG for the kids, like but that
was not what it was before.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
PG for the kids. They're not PG for the.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Kids, but they're trying to pretend it is, and you're
not allowed to be critical of it, even though it's
always been that way. You can't say it's always been
about sexuality, even the.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Same exact thing that they're trying to do with the
current ticket for the Democrats if they end up Brunn
Kamala Harris. You if you say anything negative is racist
against Asians and blacks, you want to know who they're
going to run for their VP. Possibly Pete Boodha judge
that way. If you say anything against it, it's because
he's gay. And it's just like guys, you guys can't.

(13:28):
You can't just stack things like this. This is not
how this goes well.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's also like the week before is like I'm riding
with Biden. He is fit, he is healthy, he is
the only person I'm voting for. And then now it's Kamala.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
All the way. And did you see all the whitewash
of everything that everybody is doing. I don't want to
go completely off topic, but have you seen the the
derangement level of shit.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
That like everything's just that crazy right now?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Talk about did you see the ship Elon posted? He's like, guys,
if you search Donald Trump, every single fucking headline is Kamala,
it's not Trump at all.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah. Or if you say, like a station attempt of
d it doesn't have Donald Trump, like you cannot find
a Google search for Donald Trumps.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
The search president Donald and first answer was President Ronald Reagan.
What the fuck is going on? Guys? They are legitimately
silencing you again, get off your asses. Okay, back to
the mister b shit. This is where I get rather
confused because I'm trying to figure out exactly what is

(14:34):
the person, what is the ideology, and what is the
problem and not because I don't understand what the problem is,
but I'm trying to figure out where on the shade
of like autism this shit, what overlap is influencing what
if anny exactly? Because there has to be.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Some, especially if like you're proud of your kid wearing
high heels and you're celebrating it like that.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's this is where my tism comes into the situation,
and this is where I start beginning getting to be uncomfortable.
I never never will joke about like not gay shit,
but I won't make sexual advances on people at all
unless I'm actually interested in having sex with them. That that,

(15:16):
to me is just weird. Why am I saying, oh,
suck my dick to my best friends?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Nope, that makes a lot of sense. I actually didn't
think about that way before. But that's how I naturally
go through anything. If you're just like being flirty and teasy,
you're only hurting the other person's feelings unless you have intent,
or if it's like non consensually pushing that onto them,
then it's making them uncomfortable and putting all kinds of
weird shit in going.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
In exactly, Like did you go through high school and
your young adulthood like making those jokes to your dude
friends because I didn't my dude friends know that's weird? Right?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
To me, that's really fucking weird, Like why would I
be like, hha, suck my dick, my dick's big fuck
fuck you.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, Like I've never had any of that in gay Mean,
that's weird because like sometimes you hear like anecdotal stories
of it's like talking about that stuff with the people.
I'm like, my friends are not not even close around with.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Your friends absolutely talking about sex, absolutely, but being direct
and telling them to do something that to me is
different and weird, like be like Brenda Herrera hillflirt and
fuck around with Wendygoon. I can understand that, Oh, there's
a lot of sexual tension there, but there's a line,
you know what I'm saying. There's a line of like, Okay,

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this is confusing and I don't understand, and this is
them and I understand it, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I just I don't get it. And I've been around
gay dudes that have fucked around, you know what I'm saying.
I've been around gay relationships that have fucked around. So
like I understand where I was uncomfortable in those situations
when comments were made towards me. I don't understand where

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everybody is making all these comments towards everybody, Like I
would not be talking about how big my dick is
or how hot my cumloads are, if I wasn't portrayed
it in that light.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Let alone towards children you know are underage when they're
around in your discord because of the content.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
You make exactly, And that's fucking weird to me. You
see what I'm saying is like you layer these things
on top of each other.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is it's like that even at to be It's like,
I don't even do this with my friends, let alone
other like other people. Let alone miners, Let alone people
I know that are miners that are invited into my space.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
And I will give Woody and Pika a lot of
fucking credit because I told them. I was like, guys,
I'm proud of you for not accepting any miners, regardless
of if they give you money, you kick them out
and refund them. I was like, I'm happy about this
because having availability for that open dialogue. Because what he

(17:45):
was the father of the Internet, he was willing to
answer sex questions. He's still going to get them now.
I'm sure that in that in that conversation, whether they
have a sex show or whatever the fuck's going on
that night, making sure that miners are not in that
Discord is a good fucking idea. Imagine if mister Beast
was having fucking sex shows randomly in the fucking Discord,

(18:06):
like just comparing to two things that we know.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's also the audiences where it's just like, you know,
there's a large amount of children and they have to
know there's a large amount of miners there. So it
is irresponsibility and do it regardless.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And then if you look at discords terms of service,
it says if there is eighteen plus channels, you, the
owner of the server, has to make sure that they
are unavailable to miners. Do you know what Discord does
to make sure that eighteen plus channels have a availability
to them? The only thing that they do they do

(18:40):
not check account age. They say eighteen plus do you.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Accept yeah, yeah, like there's mature content here, yes, no,
but there's no verification. Your account is not locked as
a fifteen year old account that can never click the
yes button.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
And that's me. It's weird. That to me is weird.
It should not be that easy.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, I mean it's that easy on Twitter and Twitch now, but.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
As a whole, like you look at Discord and everything else,
Discord is the only app on iPhone right now that
if there is adult content, you don't have to log
into a computer to accept it.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
You have to like mature content on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't know about Twitter, but Reddit, you have to
sign in on your computer in order to accept it.
What you want, call it? You have Fuck, my mind
just completely went blank. That was great.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
YouTube. YouTube doesn't let you see any eighteen plus.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Unless you're signed in, but iPhone has a block for it.
Is what my point was was. It literally makes you
sign into the app, the app that makes you sign
into the computer, and there's a level of disconnect there
for the privacy of the people making sure that you're
protecting kids. Why is that not the answer? Why? And
the fact that he pushed it as like, Okay, well

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you know kids are in here, but we need this.
Why the fuck do you need this? How hard is it?
How and this is the easy fucking answer, And it
proves his mal intent and it's so logical to me,
and it allegedly logic. No, it proves the mal intent.
Fucking sue me. Do it?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Do it? See you get seen by millions of views
right now, And I'll fucking say it. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I was like always going to turn this into a
short to make it even more publicity.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I will make a mister Beast after Dark channel that
you have to be approved by Patreon to be fucking
in there. It's not fucking rocket science. It's not make
it a paid fucking server that you have to be
over eighteen. It's not hard mhm.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And even then, why would you want to find people
in your audience, even if they are over eighteen, to
have them be in like a mature after dark only
space like shuret, you're freak, you can do it. Other
people are looking for it. I completely think that's the
easy answer. Yeah, I'm just saying, and that's the safer
way because then like it's not like, oh I knew
they were fourteen, and I still like joked about my dick.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Like our discord server don't use it very often. But
even if it was active and it was having people
in there, if there was availability for kids to be
in there, my kids aren't in there. You think my
kids are going to be available to the Discord server? Never?
Not even once? Do they watch my content sometimes but
not always? Do you think that that matters? No, it's

(21:37):
not their fucking shit. It's not their business, it's not
their it's not the shit that they need to worry about,
and that to me is the gross shit. It's like,
there is so many easy fucking answers on how this
sits there and how this actually gets changed and affected.
I don't understand why this is the answer. There is
only mall in ten, there is only Malenton.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
My Discord doesn't have any not safe for work channel.
I've had people like ask, hey, make one so we
can post like some spicy stuff, and there I'm like,
absolutely not. I don't want any adults. I don't want
to find out the weirdo's in my adult audience. I
don't want a child sneaking in. So that's and that's
also where you can look at other creators. You know this.
The thing is this weaves into Wheedle twin Needle with me,
because that dude's definitely.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I saw your I saw your comment.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yes, because sexually harassing and stock Oh yeah right time
Stamp twenty fifteen cut.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
It out or not. I'm just saying like, yeah, I
got to try and be somewhere in the line of
what we need.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, Weedle twenty one hundred percent PDF from all the
proof that I've shown in my videos and stuff, where's
like you're stalking and sexually harassing someone in my audience
that you know is a minor. And also, you make
Pokemon content for children, there is no mask, there is
no oh, I'm I'm aiming for our older audiences and
like that.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
This is where it gets hard to want to make content.
And this is this is.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
The I'm not done. You hold that thought because if
you look at his thumbnails, it's all Pokemon having sex.
It's putting that and that in the thumbnail four children.
And then your character in Pokemon is canonically a child
and everyone knows that. It's not like, oh he's eighteen bro. No,
so you have a children's game character like cheering on

(23:20):
Pokemon simulating sex in the thumbnail, you're a freak and
a PDF one hund percent. And you have this audience
with your discord and you have like private mature channels.
You're doing the same stuff as Chris and there, and
everyone knows it except for your audience. And then yeah,
so that's why that's like, wow, there's a lot of
overlap with us.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
No, and it's the same exact shit that we were
in most four point zero.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Please, it's the.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Same shit that we were looking at with the gamer
from Mars, where as a whole he looks at all
of these we look at all those subnails and they're
all aggressive towards kids. Why the fuck is a pap
patrol with ass out with oozing fucking flu What the
is this? What the fuck? And like and and this

(24:09):
is why. This is what I was gonna say, is like,
it is really hard to look at this stuff and
be like, Okay, I want to make adult content with
this game. Okay, okay, you're going to make adult content
with Pokemon.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Where's the age gate? Like yeah, if there was an
age gate for those thumbnails and the content side, then
you have like plausible deniability even though you know kids
are still getting through in lying. But at the same time,
it's like, nah, not not how you have said.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
As a whole. I'll be honest right here. You want
to know when I started watching porn at fucking fourteen,
I understand it. I get the point that they're trying
to touch on. I understand where what they're touching on as.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
A sex education. In middle school, I saw a picture
of a dick in fifth grade because that's what it
was about. And then yeah, like so we have the
male only in fifth grade, and then middle school is
when you see everyone's everything. But even then then like
then there's a little drop beard.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
You want to talk on that.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, but if you want to talk to the health teacher,
you can write in like a question about like hey,
my junk is doing this, and then you put in
the box. It's anotymous and you get your answers. And
there's always that curiosity. Everyone at fifteen sixteen is Google
an average penis size everyone? Or should it be at fourteen?
I need to make sure I'm on track so that
like the creus is there, but you shouldn't be serving

(25:18):
it to people.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
No, you shouldn't be serving it to the kids. If
you if you if there is a power dynamic there, and.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
That power dynamic, you should never be searching for to
give that content kids ever.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And that's my point is like as a as a
content creator, if you want to make an adult type
of channel, not not sex face, but actually have the
availability to have the conversation and and those things. That's
where like I am a very very vulgar person. I
say fuck all of the time, but you don't see

(25:51):
people like I can't even think like Hayden. Hayden doesn't
portray himself towards kids. He is a rather adult, a
Pokemon YouTuber, and regardless.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Of yeah, like the small thing, I can respect the
problem being a cheater, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
But that's my point is like looking at these things
like Nappy, he wasn't. I don't think he aged himself
towards kids. He was very vocal and vulgar with how
he spoke, but the way that shit was portrayed to
kids got him in the situation that he was in.
And I'm trying to speak incorrectly but correctly at the
same time, Like you see a lot of YouTubers in

(26:29):
that place where they're like, where which way do I go?
Do I go for the money? Where they go super
hard towards getting kids to watch their videos or towards
what they specifically are as a person. And I think
that part is where it is hard for me to
be a YouTuber. It's hard to make comes like it's.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Actually clearer A drive isn't a PDF. Even though he
targets children for the money, Nappy was doing it for
other reasons.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Exactly, and That's my point is like you can see
Dan wants to just get money out of this, and
I'm not even I'm not going to say anything negative
about him in that sense. He's a dad trying to
get as many dollary dues out of the situation as
he possibly can. And he's already around kids with his kids,
So it isn't it much easier for him to make
kid based content acts of fucking lutely, That's why he

(27:15):
changed from call of duty to begin with. That's why
Team Caliber showed him how to do the things that
he does. That's exactly why nobody is saying that that
grift that I'm just gonna be I'm just gonna be
a child YouTuber isn't fucking weird. It is weird.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, it's weird, getting children for money weird.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
But as a whole, every YouTuber has to make that choice,
every YouTuber does. Are you going to be the edgy
person like a Howard Stern and actually just do this
and protect yourself and not have contact with people, because
that's kind of what it has to be at this point,
unless you're interacting publicly in the comments, or do you

(27:55):
go so far down the rabbit hole where you're just
you don't say fuck, you say up, you say what
the frick? You say what the heck? To me, that
seems very disingenuous and it's really really hard to swallow
because it doesn't feel real.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
It's also against the rules because of COPA, but YouTube
doesn't enforce COPA like they don't enforce sexual content targets
towards kids. I want adpocalyps four point zero. So bad
burn it all because this Chris Tison thing.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Let's go. I think honestly, like Jimmy, legitimately before this
he was a legitimate political candidate in five to ten years.
He was setting the groundwork to do something crazy within
the next five to ten years, and you just watched
it all fucking burn, all of it, all of it

(28:42):
just burnt down to the fucking ground.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Actually that that reminds me of something I want to
talk about, because like also detaching, like Jimmy from the
christ Shenanigans and everything else going on. He was edgy
af back in the day. So now that the skeletons
are coming out, people are digging, they are given him
the full physical exam, and they have found some dirty stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
If you don't look at it as the Chris thing
is connected to it. The edgy shit that Jimmy did,
I do not fucking care about.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
That's where I disagree because of the culture reigning, because
I've been canceled for less. I haven't said the f slur.
He said it multiple times. I don't joke about the
N word. He does. He's allowed to be the largest
creator on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
But I don't agree with your cancelation at all.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, I know, but what I'm sayings like, if we're
all playing by the same rules, he must be canceled
to a larger degree. And if not, then why was
I canceled to begin with.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's all bullshit And I've stood up for you so
many times on that ground, and I know you've seen it.
I know you log into the channel. I know you
see the comments, Like I'm very, very open and forward.
What you said is not wrong. What you were canceled
for is absolutely insane to me. And the fact that
it made you a burnt human because you got canceled

(29:54):
on something stupid. He's absolutely entirely the cancelation's problem. And
I've it up for you in comments. I've stood up
for you in private. I don't even remember if I
told you I had a like a two and a
half hour long conversation that one of our fans. He's like,
I don't know why you're talking to Verlisify. I don't
know why you engage with him, And I'm like, because

(30:15):
he's a genuine fucking guy, that's why.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Because he actually hasn't anything wrong compared to everything else.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Making the people human, showcasing that people can be human
and being a raw version of that is one of
the most important things we can do. If you're going
to ouse somebody from the group of life, Okay, why why, Chris?
This is an answer why. This is why you kick
somebody out of a fucking group. Not because they said something,

(30:41):
not because they were derogatory towards somebody, Not because they
sat there and lit a flame underneath somebody and said
fuck you, Like I'm sorry. That's not like even telling
somebody to off themselves, which I understand what was said,
like I'm trying to skater around to us here, but
like that, I don't make jokes about it. I don't

(31:02):
make jokes about it because I attempted. I attempted. But
if I if I make jokes towards that do I
get canceled If I say I'm going to canceled me,
does that mean I'm gonna have a knock on the
door because some if shit's gonna call the fucking cocks,
Like where where does this line from internet to human come?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, that was another thing in Pokemon, because Sacred he
was the one that actually like said, if you disagree
with me here you allow actually need to drink whatever
I said bass liquids because then I know, I know, like,
don't cross the line. I'm trying to play like careful
with the line that offends them, and then I must
be canceled for not saying the thing. And then I think,
say the thing and don't get canceled.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think that's where you went wrong.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
If we want to be I wasn't edgy enough. I
didn't actually say these that's my point, which makes me worse. No,
and that's my point. I think I think you dragging
your nuts on the fence that is TOS is the
reason why you got canceled and disliked it as heavily
as you did. If you were the character you are
now and just vocally available then and you were willing

(32:07):
to call people fucking douchebags, and you stepped farther like Wings.
Did you know how Wings had that second pop after
he started getting trolled and fucked with. If you drug
your nuts on the line and start telling people that
they're fucking idiots and fucking retard, I tell everyone they're idiots.
I just don't tell them to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh, but I think that you dragging your nuts on
the line when you had a big problem was the
reason why everybody kind of like the.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Means like, I'm on the nut line, I'm not crossing it.
Why are you guys so upset?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Like?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Did they get less upset if I actually cross the
line and these rules don't make sense.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's that's why I think that the situation is exactly
what Jimmy's doing. Jimmy's not going to respond to this.
He's not going to say absolutely fucking anything. He's not
going to say anything. You're not gonna do anything. He's
not going to be a part of this entire conversation.
He's going to keep his mouth shut. He's going to
sit there and wait. He's not going to do it

(33:00):
anything because it's not his job to. He's going to
protect himself. He's got to do the same exact thing
T Martin did. And I'm not blaming T Martin at all.
A love driver what I don't see, and maybe a
fucking dad, but as a whole, I don't agree with

(33:21):
this whole. Oh, kids are completely innocent in these situations.
Like a kid that goes and pets money on a
gambling csgo website had to click fifteen different times and
steal credit card in order to do that. That kid
isn't being taken advantage of the parent. Is like, let's
be honest about this, Like Ciesco Lotto is not really

(33:44):
affecting the fifteen year old that's betting money. It's affecting
the twenty eight year old. It's affecting the thirty two
year old just as much, if not more, because they're
the parents in that situation that the forty year old.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, the consens like the blame on the parents, Like
you shouldn't let your kids have access to the internet
if you don't want these things to happen.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
And it's like the internet, really, the internet is where
you draw this line that is crazy. That's where it
gets Okay, at what level is a parent have to
do all this? Where where do I have to do
all this? Because this isn't okay. This isn't just going
and moving forward and doing everything that you have to do.
If it's doing everything you have to do, okay. So

(34:26):
they can't have a phone, they can't have internet, they
can't have any apps on the phone, even if you
give them one. They can't have YouTube because everything on
YouTube is fucking inappropriate, even if you click YouTube kids,
So fuck you. Now, it's my job to do what
your job was when you said you created an app
for it. So where where? And my kid's mom actually

(34:49):
literally brought this up about a month ago, a month
and a half ago, because both my kids have phones.
Now I bought them both phones. I'm like, I need
to be able to contact you if anything goes wrong.
Like I'm becoming more or and more of a person
having that availability because there's more loudness behind my voice.
It's probably smart just that way in case people do
knock at the door. Guys, there's there's swat in the driveway.

(35:13):
You are fine, it's okay. Get dropped off from school,
you are fine. Everything will be okay. Like I've already
had those problems I've already been docked, So as a whole,
I wanted that availability. My son lives to watching YouTube shorts.
There's YouTube kids shit like there just is okay whatever,

(35:34):
Instead of gating him to just YouTube kids where he
can watch Paw Patrol, He's fucking eleven. At what point
is he going to not want to watch Fortnite? What?
At what point is he not going to want to
watch Call of Duty Champs or whatever? Like he's going
to start exploring about what he wants to watch.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
The real concept, like a good documentary out there that
isn't going to be on YouTube kids where it's just like, oh,
he's not even allowed to like get something off the
Discovery channel or actually or even historical constant.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Or even like a let's play of the legend of
Zelda Ocarina of Time HG played by this person? What
linguistically stops him from watching that? Them saying okay, Blue
Chew really like, I understand I'm in content, so I'm
trying to take myself out of that situation. But like, Okay,

(36:23):
that's an ad. Kids see ads all the time. You
know how many ads that there were on NASCAR for
fucking viagra?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Fox yeah, during the news viagra, I remember beer commercial.
I'm a liner. Why am I being exposed to alcohol,
cigarettes or cigarettes? So as a whole, to me, I
don't think that this the way that they're setting things
up is on me.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
It's not on it. Like you guys aren't handling it correctly.
It's my job to handle it now. So so she
messaged me, She's like, uh, your son saw your son
was sitting there scrolling and I heard so you make
a silicone ad And I'm like, okay, why the fuck
is that on YouTube? Why the fuck is making a
silicone mold of your ass on YouTube at all? Why?

(37:09):
And then you hear woody And I'm not even saying
that this isn't this doesn't have a place online at all.
I'm just saying that why why is there websites like
Twitch and YouTube allowing these things? Because it shouldn't be. Okay,
So anybody under eighteen can't see nipples, Okay, then why
are there not nipples on eighteen above on YouTube? Why
is there no YouTube after dark? Why is there no

(37:29):
Twitch after dark? To me, these lines are fucking arbitrary,
and you're just kind of drawing lines wherever the fuck
you see fit.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, well it's because like then you have payment process
or issues on like straight up hardcore content, but then
you lose viewers. So just like if if everyone ignores it,
then there's no legal colle like.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Respect was banned from how many things within a week?
Why when this situation is worse, the age is worse,
everything is more drastic? Has his has his ads not
been pulled?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, everyone likes mister Peasts more. Therefore it's okay, I.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Think I'm not even saying Jimmy. I'm not even saying
Jimmy like he is one of the people that will
foundationally bring this website closer to being in the green.
So like even thinking about this logically and saying that
they're not going to remove mister beasts channel as availability
for being ad placement. But this is like fucking pewdie Pie.

(38:28):
This is this is that level one of those guys.
Why is Chris's YouTube channel still add friendly? Why is
Chris's channel on Twitter still friendly? Why is he not
being preemptively banned on websites? Why is he not fucking
banned from Discord and Twitch? Right the fuck now? He
should be. It should be the first thing that fucking happened.

(38:50):
Oh mister, uh, doctor disrespect sat there and sent whispers
on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
We don't even know what he said to how old?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Either suppose at least seventeen.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I don't like, there's so many potential levels. My funny,
like my funny head canon is that Doc just like went, wait, wait,
how old are you? And they say seventeen? And then
doctor disrespect says close enough, Like that's how I imagine
this went down.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Even if it's worse than that, Even if it's worse
than that, still not close to Okay, why are we
not being equal? I will not make a fucking dick
joke in public if there's fucking kids there. What the
fuck is wrong? This is ghoulish to me, This is
gross to me, Like dad, me is like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Congratulations? I know now you know how exactly I felt
for the last decade straight.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I felt this way for since I've had my kids,
Like I looked at it as a survivor of fucking
essay at fucking ten and I'm like, this is still wrong,
like we're And that's exactly what my post was on Twitter.
I made a joke out of it, but like at
the same time, it's like, why the fuck, Like, I

(40:05):
don't know, if you saw my post on Twitter, it
was fucking fantastic. I you have to be able to
turn some of this shit into something light at some point.
But he's looking more and more like Freddy Krueger as
the day goes on. Maybe he'll have a surgery and
burn his face. I really hope that that's what happens next.
But like as a whole, it's like, what the fuck?

(40:25):
What the fuck? We just we just had a PDF
running the country. He's about to be fucking evicted from
the White House. Now we have PDFs all over YouTube
and being banned by the fucking day mister t lex
fight and the Call of Duty community was just added.
Now we have an outing with Chris. Now we have
this outing with doctor disrespect that be not even.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Being banned, still gating tens of thousands of views. What
the fuck?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I don't know, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
What I mean this one. I'm like, we need adpocalyps
four point zero, we need COPU of matter, We need
government laws to actually set this shit straight. And I
don't care about like freedom. We as we've shown like okay,
we lost our ore. This isn't even a right. The
internet isn't a right. We lost this privilege long ago
and it needs to go down.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
A lot.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Ones is like actual ide verification for any any kind
of social media account, no one allowed under sixteen. I
prefer eighteen, but I think sixteen is fair. And then
actually enforcing COPA and the world becomes fucking great. The
entire world changes because of it.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I think that, And as shitty as it sounds, I agree,
and I am very very free speech.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I'm very I mean, like the big things people can't separate.
The internet is not a right, like.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
If we want it, but even even going past that,
say that you're available to say and do whatever you
want online, okay, whatever, But in order to sign up
for the email account, you verify, make it that way,
so that way, it's not the social accounts. That way
you can have parody accounts. So we can't just have
one account whatever. I understand, Like there's business accounts, there's everything.

(41:58):
There's a lot of different infrastructure that we already have.
But where can we protect the kids in this situation?
And that to me is the availability of what YouTubers
actually are, because to me, this is like the stars
that are on TV being fucking flagged for petit PDF.
That's what it is. It's Michael Jackson being flagged. We

(42:22):
just had all the upper upper management, that's my point. No,
it's the stars. It's not even the people behind it.
It's the stars right now, and the stars right now
are now having contact with every single fan always. So
to me, you want to know how you change this.
If you hit a certain threshold, you no longer have

(42:42):
availability to private message.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
No, put it on emails. Emails then become more important.
You become then more in depth with paying attention to them.
That's our job, you know what I'm saying, Like, if
you have a sponsor email, you have to go and
make sure that it's there, right.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
If leveraging any of this stuff, and like like me,
I just made Pokemon and then suddenly I hit half
a million subscribers and not even like trying. So it's like,
then why should I lose access to fans that want
to learn Pokemon or like but messages?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Would you rather have that be a public forum, a
public question where it's in your comments whatever. You should
be positively reinforcing the positive comments anyway, That's what our
job is. We're a content creator. We're supposed to be
interacting with those positive comments and those positive interactions and
shun the negative ones. That's what our job is. You
take an hour out of your day to make sure

(43:36):
the comments are interacted with and you have a little
bit of fucking back and forth and have some fun.
Why is that? Why is that not the answer?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
My favorite thing was YouTube messages because like you could
talk to larger or up and coming creators like and
also it's arbitrary. Is it five hundred k? Is one hundred?
Is at ten k? Is it a million? When when
do you lose the ability to talk to people privately
just because we create videos?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
And easy answer, the easy answer, make it soay, messages
can never be deleted. Let's go backwards, go backwards because
this shit's fucking ridiculous, and have daily messages. Then, so
there's only two options. We no longer have snapchat. Fuck snapchat.
Everything is permanent good.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
We need regulation to post to point where we don't
need to monitor dms or like regular da like crack
down dms like that. We're just like there's no sixteen,
no one under sixteen on the platform. That least makes
it a lot better.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But that's what it's supposed to be. What was my
space when it started, all of us were fucking thirteen,
all of us for fourteen. Okay, So if thirteen fourteen's
the answer and teenage is the answer, because that's probably
what it's gonna be, everybody's gonna bitch and complain that
they want their daughter there. I know people I have
cousins that put their fucking kids on Facebook when they're
fucking six.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, I mean it's not healthy. We've been just watching,
like on a live rates, Matt like just climbs straight
up because of social media. It's not healthy for them.
Like there's no reason for the teenagers.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And that's my point is like as a whole, the
world is becoming more and more sensitive to all of
these situations and topics. So okay, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
How about this DMS only for like verified like hard
verified ID with age.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Not paid verified either. Fuck all this paid verified shit.
There's a level above being verified. You have to pay
to verify for the blue check mark, and then you
get the gold check mark if you ID verify and
you're a certain viewership or whatever. And then you're available
to d on other people that have that check mark.
Make it that way? Is that way? Or business accounts

(45:41):
are allowed to have that verification too for free or whatever?
That's to me, the most logical answer is like, at
some point you become verified as this is the actual person.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, that also helps me because like I want to know
the person I'm talking to is an actual human and
their intent is trackable or EI.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
There a us searching for a guest for this show.
If we message Wings of Redemption and it's fucking wings
tis because he's impersonating Wings of Redemption, that makes us
look incompetent when as a whole, if it's not a
verified account, do you actually know who you're talking to
without them verifying it? No, you fucking don't. You don't,
And it's hard. It's hard to grasp. It's hard to

(46:21):
actually do the job that you have to do without
there being protections in place. Like I remember one time
I was sent a message by my head mod on
here if he's not trustworthy, it's kind of hard, but
my head mod tickers, He's like, hey, I have contact
with Milo. I know Milo was your big your favorite

(46:43):
guest on PK I was like, yeah, absolutely, I love Mila.
I still talk to Milo, which is crazy. That's something
that I never expected. But as a whole, he's like,
here's Milo's email. I set up an interview with Milo
for PK again and he fucking know showed. I'm like,
was that even my Like? Was that the real person

(47:04):
randomly epops in my DMS? I'm like, what the fuck? Like,
first off, you ghosted me, and I don't know if
you did or not. I don't know if it was
really you or not. So I called it out. I
was like, hey, I don't know if this is my
tism talking, but like, you fucking ghosted me and you
made me look like a fucking chump. You made me
look like a piece of shit. Because I'm like, huge,
guess we got this no no show? Like ugh, So

(47:28):
I called it out. I don't know if it was
him or not, but as a whole, if it was verified,
if it was known, like I don't have to go
through my head mod being in a telegram group with
my little unopolis and being like, hey, here's his email,
hoping that it's the right one. Do you know how
shitty that is? Like, honestly, that could have been so
fucking shitty. That could have been huge, That could have

(47:48):
been a huge fucking problem. Just because it's not fucking
verified that that chat room gets leaked, then that problem
gets leaked. Then what what level does that go to?
I lose my job because something fucking gets out, you
know what I'm saying, Like, what the fuck's going on?
It sucks. It sucks because there's no level of protection

(48:10):
for trying to do this as a job. M hm,
it's weird. And then obviously with cancel culture, if you
do anything slightly incorrect you get fucking burned at the
stake too.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Only if you're not liked enough, if people like you
get you're allowed to get away with it, or if
you're vulgar enough to just say fuck you. Honestly, the
t Martin way of just continuing the day as usual
seems like it's the answer, just flipping them the bird
and continuing on. I don't think Jimmy actually gets a

(48:44):
negative repercussion for this unless he faces it. Yeah, but
things like I'm not allowed to flip the bird and
move on, so like also, some people just lose it
or Alex Jones, you get your entire shit taken away
for being inaccurate for one time ever and apologizing. I
don't even think I think cancelation was real, and that's
why I think it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I think the apology that Alex did is the reason
why he got sued, because.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
They were going to take him down matter what I agree.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
But I'm saying, like, as as a whole, think about
it this way, the fact that he said I am sorry,
I understand made him culpable of what he said, like
it then brought it back into being real because he's like, oh,
there's already.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
He was already removed from social media before then and purged.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
And yes, I'm saying the lawsuit as a whole couldn't
happen unless he apologies, definitely, because I'm he's not facing it. Oh,
it probably would have. I don't think it would have
been as impactful as it was, and that that lawsuit
scarce the fuck out of me, Like, logically, what happens
if you hit something the opposite of what it is?

(49:55):
What what happens if this is all mister Beasts instead
of Chris And it was just mister Beest telling Chrissy
has to do this and has to do that, and
like what happens then.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Well, also like, and the thing about defamation is that's
so wishy washy. That's like you're allowed to call someone
a neo Nazi and that's not definition their defamation. But
then Alex Jones loses billions to like a couple families, and.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
They should have been paid if they were actually harmed
in that situation. He said, this person, this person, this person,
this person. I agree he should have to pay them
and say I'm sorry publicly and affect change, like, but
we cannot sit there and burn people at the stake
for being a person that's questioning things. I don't think
questioning things should ever be the problem. And that's where

(50:45):
this is where this whole mister b shit comes. And
that's why it's hard to me, is like a lot
of LGBT people will cut off conversation because it it
may them less human. They feel, oh, I'm this and
you're questioning it, like, and I'm going to shred it

(51:08):
into territory if I go too far. Stop me, like,
don't don't feel afraid to step on my toes here
to me, My biggest question to me, my biggest question
in this situation is okay, So you guys are saying
that you don't have the right hormones in this situation. Okay,
I understand your problem, but can we try something with

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a few people and see if it works? First? Can
we give you the hormone you're supposed to have and
bring it up to normal levels. Like imagine if Kyle
when when he was low on testosterone and he was
overweight and he was struggling with his weight, He's like, oh,
I'm a I'm a female, I guess, and start taking estrogen.
That's validated right now, that's affirming his care. But he

(51:55):
took testosterone and he fixed the problem. Obviously that's not
what happened. And I'm not saying that, But does that change?
Does that affect the situation? And to me, that's interesting
to me, that question is so valid, but it's I mean,
asking that publicly is wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I feel like it's already been done with the entire
history of biology before then for the most part, ignoring
when we were like lobotomizing people and stuff. Yes, medical
science does fail us, but that doesn't that is an
excuse to be to like automatically makes believe someone what
they are until it doesn't try to like figure it
out first.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
And I've seen this. I've seen this post so many times.
I love the sentiment behind it, but I know it's
missing the point. It's like, okay, so affirming your gender
is cutting off your genitalia, then why is it not
connected to your genitalia? Why is not connected to it?

Speaker 2 (52:47):
That's why I've been talking about with like, oh, the
Pride movement is trying to separate from it being a
sexuality even though it was only always that And yeah,
if it's not about that to.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Me is where it gets weird. And that's what I
don't understand. It's like, okay, so if you're saying that
gender is not connected to your physical being, then why
is your physical being the reason that you're affirming at Okay,
So that's a lost argument, Like okay, we can we
can cycle on that argument, but it's going nowhere. Okay,
so let's drop that entire thing LGBT, LGB, the LGB movement,

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because that's what it should be logically because of sex
and their sexual identity.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
And that's another weird thing where we're trying to be
as careful and respectful where it's like if it isn't
any it has none to do with sexuality, then why
is the t there in this sexual pride movement?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Exactly? If it's about their sexual preference and there and
they were fighting for their sexual preference to be accepted
by others, which is that's not how you do things.
Let me just say that openly and honestly, the things
that go on in my house are only supposed to
be acceptable to me because it's in my house. If
it happens in my bedroom and nobody else is hurt

(54:04):
or unaccepting of that situation, then guess what it happened
in my bedroom? Why do you have to worry about it?
You know what? Like that to me is where it
gets weird. Like the rights of the situation, I one
hundred percent agree with have the right to get married,
but don't force somebody to have to say you get married? Where?

(54:25):
Where is that weird? Where is that weird? Oh? The
religion that you subscribe to you doesn't agree with your
belief system? Okay, then guess what as a whole you
can't get married there? Why is that? Why do they
have to force that to me? And that, to me
is where it's weird Because I'm not religious. I don't
agree with it. I'm trying to understand, I'm trying to perceive,

(54:47):
I'm trying to grasp it. But their arguments that they're
giving now is like, Okay, well, our God sees that
as sin. Okay, I understand that that they see it
as sin. Therefore you should live by the way that
you should, not by your inequalities in you. And I
think that's even the wrong way to say it. But
like the sins that you have in your mind, you're

(55:10):
not supposed to answer to everyone. You're not supposed to
go get that cheeseburger, You're not supposed to be a
glutton for punishment. You're not supposed to be all of
these things. And that is one of those sins. So
why do you force them to have to accept that
sin but not accept all the other sins? And then
when you accept everything, don't you end up falling for everything?
Then too, where's the line you're moving the line? I

(55:32):
don't know. Really, it's really hard to grasp because it's
become something of making people equal, which I agree with
everybody that's here should have every single way.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Like it's not hard. We're just like okay, do like,
actually I had a way of describing it, because I
keep talking about my commy friend that just says like
crazy stuff. We're just like conservatives have been painted as
evil for just being like, Okay, that's weird to me,
keep it to yourself, and like it does over reach.
And then there has been things, but like recently, because

(56:02):
now we're getting into like a caricature of a conservative
from nineties, whereas I say, post twenty ten, there's been
a lot more acceptance and a lot more of like, Okay,
I disagree with this, but.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Why are there conservative conservatives? Are the are the demon.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Websites? Like it's just like it just went from like
I don't like it, I won't like tolerate it towards me,
but if you keep it to yourself, it's fine, and
then like that wasn't enough, and like that's everyone else.
That's everyone else. I'm not I'm not opening the door
to my bedroom and revealing the windows of what's going
on inside with the tail.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
And then you move that, you move that goal post,
and you look at what they what the movement is
doing today where they're having fucking dildo ring toss at
fucking Pride for kids.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Naked bicycle that's been the thing in Seattle forever, like
why was that?

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Why there are things that adults do like and this,
this to me is where it's kind of confusing and
trying to understand. And there have been newdice since like
the way back in the day. People just want to
be naked for some reason. Okay, so why are you
doing that in front of a kid?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Why that? Why is that a right to pride? Or like,
why is that? Like if you don't have that, you're
losing something from your pride.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
And the name of it as a whole, like looking
at it as somebody who's just questioning everything right at
the second pride, Okay, why do you have pride and
indoctrinating all of these people into this thing them? That
to me is weird, Like you're saying something weird, You're
saying something very very very very on the edge of

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absolutely everything.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Then mhm, I think that's as much as we should say.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, it just and it goes back to that. I wonder,
I wonder why that question of if we give them
the hormones that they're missing, why is that a negative
conversation to have If everybody is saying that these things
are happening more now and people are doing it for acceptance, right,

(58:09):
because I think that's genuinely what a lot of this is.
You look at the different answers of oh, I'm this sexuality,
I'm asexual, I'm pan sexual, I'm this, I'm that, and
it's just slightly different variants off of what the original
three were, gay, lesbian, and buy. All of the other
ones are just slight variants off of that. Then if

(58:32):
we if we look at it as somebody looking for
acceptance and wanting to be a shade of gray, because
that's what.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Kind of shows that, Like why do you need to
find your acceptance there when you're not even caring about
sex in the first place? I know, like asexuality goes
deeper than that, and it is like its own umbrella
says like why do you want to why do you
need to get attention by being thrust into that because
you feel a sexual erasure is the thing? It's like,
just be you, just be happy for who you are,

(59:02):
Like why does that's the difficulty?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
I think that is the edgiest thing to say is like, Okay,
so why are you forcing every other person to accept you?
Why are you so worried.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Why is your happiness depending on other people so much?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Why? Why are you you guys told.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Me the colors bad, but we aren't putting that in
the alphabet.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Why are you so worried about the mystical imaginary dad
that you never had in the situation that left and
went to go get milk, that person accepting you. Why
are you so worried about your mystical magical dad that
never was there accepting you that you have to say, okay,
you have to accept me.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah, that has nothing to do with any letters. That's
the hardest person.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
The hardest part of this situation isn't getting other people
to accept you, because I don't care. I want you
to be a human. I don't want you to approach
on every other right that I have. That's all. That's
all I stand on. It's like, just don't make me
do it, don't make other people do it. I accept
you as a human. I don't accept the situation. To me,

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it's accept yourself, stop worrying about what other people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Accept, and don't make me accept you or else. I'm
just going to get loathsome I'm going to want to
push back against that. When I was fine with you before.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And that's the hard thing is like them removing the
availability to talk, question, ask questions like I am ignorant
to the situation. I admit I'm ignorant. You too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
If you don't automatically see the inherent what this is
supposed to be, you are just wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
But why why is saying that, Hey, I'm not saying
that I don't accept. I'm saying that I don't understand.
But when I say I don't understand, You're going to
tell me that I'm an asshole and I'm a retard
and I don't understand. Okay, where is this level? Then
let me ask the questions. Asking the questions is not evil.
It's showing that I am ignorant or trying to understand

(01:00:59):
the situation. And that's where this situation with Chris is
fucking evil to me. It's like he's not asking a question,
he's flaunting something, he's demanding something of other people. And
you even see people like Finn pull away completely saying hey,
I'm not doing this, this is not okay. And it's

(01:01:20):
like you see Finn cutting lines where he's like, no,
this is not okay and misgendering people I'm not trying to.
I don't understand. He's played games like too often. Yeah,
And I'm not trying to be disrespectful in that situation.
He's played games with it, so it's very hard for
me to like grasp it and understand. So I'm even

(01:01:42):
trying to be understanding and do it correctly. I don't.
I'm not going to do it correctly. I understand that.
But like this Chris shit, Like this Chris shit is gross.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
There is no question back to the earlier part of
the like where is where's the overlap? If there is
any regard regardless, it's gross, But it's weird how some
things connect and we can't talk about any of that. Eminem,
what did he do? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Okay, So Eminem released a CD and it is called
the Coup de Cras the Death of Slim Shady, and
he came out and he's like, guys, I want you
to listen to this album from number one to the end.
Don't don't go out of order. It is a story
and you have to listen to it one way, and

(01:02:33):
it's essentially him showing that he's killing the Slim Shady
character through the songs he goes, but he has Slim
Shady come from the two thousands, and he's like, guy,
he's on back, blah blah blah blah blah. He says
things trying to get canceled. He says, yes, sir, he says,
oh that's gay. He says this and that and everything
else trying to get canceled. So he's like, guys, I

(01:02:56):
gotta kill him. This isn't what is acceptable anymore. I
have to kill him. So you listen to it forward.
He kills slim Shady, he kills that character. You listen
to it backwards, he kills Marshall Mathers. So there's two
parts of this conversation that I want to have, and

(01:03:16):
that is the first part is why are we canceling
people yet again for saying things are on the edge
of just entertainment. But yet we're not canceling people like
Chris Tyson. Oh, we have creators coming out and saying things.
He's not fucking removed. The things that he did are

(01:03:36):
more disgusting than a lot of people that I've seen
be removed for things, even things like Milo that was
one of the first people being canceled offline. But he
said wasn't wrong. He's shaded somebody in a negative light.
It's not negativity in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, that is the thing because like your first reaction is, yeah,
but everyone's destroying Chris right now. However, the powers that
be or like the institutions that cancel.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
They're holding him there. Yeah, they're holding him there, And
that to me is the worst part, is like, oh,
we have him at the stake. Okay, I agree with
not taking his right to speak away. I kind of do, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Well you kind of don't when you say you want
DMS canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
No, I it's it's weird. I kind of want there
to be availability to protect the kids in that situation,
Like why is he in DMS at all? With kids?
I don't agree that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I see a little bit what you mean, because like, yeah,
let the bad person speak so you can see they're bad.
Don't don't censor them and let it go into hiding
where it's like let the let them throw themselves on
their sword like that. But at the same time, by
keeping them in a space where they've already shown to
be a danger, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
But in the places that they're he hasn't been removed
from anywhere. He hasn't been He's right to speak hasn't
been removed. And we know he is We know he
is wrong. We know he is probably going to get
sued for this. We know there is going to be
a problem, especially if that tweet from his sister, if

(01:05:17):
that is verified as his sister, there's going to be
big problems. So to tie up the Chris part, I
hope that his wife gets everything she deserves, and I
hope his son is young enough not to be traumatized

(01:05:38):
by this situation, unaffected long term by this situation, because
I understand what that does, not to that level. I
was abused, not that way, but I understand what that
level of abuse does. That abuse is hell, and it's
going to be hell if especially because it was public

(01:06:00):
to the fucking Internet, you fucking weirdo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah, we don't know, Like this is still early days
for all of this. We don't know the long tail
effects of who's going to be messed up by what
and how bad for a long time. Yeah, like we're
starting seeing, but we don't have enough.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
And you even see with the first conversation that we had, Oh,
everything feels burnt out there. There's no excitement towards anything.
You all know why, because we've been stuck in our
house and we have no connection with anybody, so there's
no We're constantly dopamine cycling on the next game that's coming,
or the next movie that's coming, or the next thing
that's coming. We don't have any interactions anymore. When you

(01:06:39):
go to the store. How many people genuinely say hi
to you? Fucking none?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Right, Yeah, like we're both creating a happy cashier out here.
And that's like the surprise where it's like, whoa, okay, yeah,
this is my only human interactions.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
You go back five six years, how many people say hi?
How many people? Oh, sorry, I'm in your way?

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah, even that, like five six years. I remember when
I first moved out to Seattle because I was like,
I want to go to Washington State because that's where
all the cool people are and everyone was cool. Everyone
was like smiling and waving. I'm just like, Wow, this
is good people coming from Florida, where everyone's grumpy and
just waiting to die.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah. No, I wanted to go to Seattle. That's literally
one of the places that I'm like, you know, I
would like to move.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
There, but yeah, now everyone is extra miserable and locked in,
and it's like no one is interacting anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I saw this, I saw this short and it's like, Oh,
I have OCD, blah blah blah blahlah blah, I'm on
medicine for this and everything else. And I'm like, okay,
And then the chick that this dude's talking to gets
all excited. Oh, I'm on, I have OCD too. I
take this SSRI to deal with my OCD. How many

(01:07:54):
things did we develop in this situation to approve of
these things? Guys taking an SSRI to deal with OCD, honestly,
and I have OCD. Let me just say this, And
I'm not medicated for OCD, medicated for my anxiety and
my ADHD. My OCD is not life impactful. If it's

(01:08:20):
not I have to do fifty fucking things before I
leave the house, guaranteed, or if I get something, you
zero percent of the time should be on medication for it.
OCD is just running and bracing thoughts of having to
do fifty fucking things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Like well, like a lot of time just comes down
to the human condition where it's like everyone's got a
little bit of OCD everyone's got a little bit of
add it's how well you can manage it yourself. But
a lot of people give up. They just they just
throw down that bear and go, I give up, brain,
I can't do anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
And that's that's the shittiest part about it, is do
we all just keep accepting being the victim? And so many,
so many millennials and gen Z and from our age
group until the like teenagers of now, all of them
are just kind of accepting being a victim towards absolutely
fucking everything, And it hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Yeah. What upsets me the most is like watching the
trend of where it's like autism used to be one
in five hundred, now it's one in thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
It's like, nah, no, no, do you know what autism
actually is?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Social disorder where you like have trouble communication? No, are
we talking about like hard autism?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
No, like the diagnosis of autism. Do you understand what
that was given for at the beginning? It was literally
given to give you the availability for an IDP in school,
which is why they have autism spectrum disorder, because there's
fifty fucking disorders that are under the banner of autism,

(01:09:52):
Like you have the people that absolutely cannot function at
all in society. They cannot talk, they're nonverbal, they are abusive.
Is that the same person as me? Am? I technically
I'm diagnosed with the same thing because I can't understand
and perceive people's emotions without them being open about them.
Why is that the same diagnosis? Because it wasn't technically

(01:10:15):
supposed to be a diagnosis at all. It wasn't supposed
to be Do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
You still function just fine ish for most people?

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yeah, But as a whole, if you look at it
at what a diagnosis for autism is is it could
be anywhere from add ADHD to OCD to being nonverbal,
non available, Which is why I think that everybody fights
against the whole functioning, high functioning available, like no somebody

(01:10:45):
is diagnosed with autism, like I am very different than Mint.
Mint is very very functioning. She's available to do a
lot of things, but her abuse put her in the
situation she's in, just like my abuse put me in
the situation on men. But yet it's me who's broken
and unavailable to do things like I don't I don't

(01:11:07):
grasp that. I don't understand that. That to me is weird.
Like I don't, I don't understand yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
And going back to like how everyone is just like, oh,
I'm this at this and then they find someone's like
I'm just oh yeah, or it's like I've been on
using dating apps and it's wild some of the profiles
you find. We're just like that's that's the first thing
you put in your line is like, I'm autism spectrum
a ADHD OCD. I need this, this and this and trauma.
I'm like, you are really selling yourself as as a partner,

(01:11:37):
and it seems like you've gone too deep into it
to actually like try to find someone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
And it falls back into the level of the same
exact shit that people are doing to hide their misdeeds. Oh,
I'm too much acceptance, you want too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Much acceptance of that, and too much complacency to be like, no,
this is not how it's supposed to go, and that's
why everything's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Like ADHD, relationships can go one of two, right, I
can be very loud and very accepting of you being
allowed to me and making my mind work. That's all
I need. That's what I need you to do, not
be obnoxious, just over over communicate, over communicate, this, over
communicate during sex, dirty talk, Make more than one thing
work at the same time, and you'll get more. Like

(01:12:19):
that's how you make somebody with ADHD work or hypersexuality
where everything's different always. Okay, so those aren't the same things,
you fucking dipshit. You saying you have ADHD doesn't tell
anybody anything. Are you just a methaddict? Is that what
it is? Or do you just consume shit tons of
caffeine because you feel like it's a cool thing to do,

(01:12:41):
or are you just wearing the coat of I have
ADHD and I think it's cool to have this, so
therefore blah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah, well I also thing like you get into a
couple of bad relationships and then you just like get
into a defeating cycle boards like must have been because
of the ADHD. So if I don't have someone that
exactly understands my ADHD, then it's not gonna work anyways,
I'm putting in my profile. It's like, no, you just
dates a shitty person for too long.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
And you saying you have ADHD as I just said,
doesn't explain anything. Just like saying, oh, I'm into non
monogamous relationships. Okay, So am I dating you and you're
dating three other guys, or is it you want five
girls to maintain my ADHD because everything needs to be
different always and you're afraid of commitment because that could

(01:13:24):
be an answer too, Which one is it? And that
it's not even acceptance anymore, it's straight up wanting to
just flagulate yourself in front of everybody because it's like,
I'm so broken, I can't be accepted by anybody. It's like, no,
I'm not telling you to hide it. I'm not telling
you did not do any of this. I'm telling you

(01:13:45):
to actually showcase who you are as a person, because I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Think that also makes it harder to work with someone
when they've like defeated themselves to that point where it's
like I'm only this and nothing can change that. It's
like that that's not how relationship or like just personal
growth is supposed to go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
And it's like, what the fuck is this? What the
fuck is this? Because this as a whole doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yeah, and that's why, like we don't like each other
anymore because that's half the profiles I see and I'm
just like that's not good. It's bad out there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
No, it's it's uncomfortable. It's really uncomfortable because it's like okay,
and this is where it gets edgy. It's like, okay,
so you go on a date with somebody and you
go back to your house and they slip off their
leggings and a dick flops out. Are you uncomfortable? You
were just lied to and it's okay to be uncomfortable,

(01:14:36):
But society now says that that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
They make a TikTok and you lose your job.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
What the fuck? You were dishonest and I get hurt
for it. You were dishonest, and I get I get
thrown through the weeds because you were dishonest. What the
fuck is going on? I don't know, man, I I
would thoroughly struggle with what is today. It's like, okay,

(01:15:03):
if they say any other letters other than girl location age,
it's like, guys, don't put letters in your bio. Don't.
I got banned off Bumble because I said I'm six
inches six feet and I'm working on six figures. They
said that that was too edgy. Why is it saying.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Why is not gendering yourself accurately? You know? Bannable? Technically
that's sexual abuse? To say, just saying, so back to
the Eminem shit because I want to get off fucking
sex and all of that shit for a little bit
of this episode. So you know the song mocking Bird,

(01:15:50):
and uh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Have not listened to anything eminem ever, which is why
I'm just like this ever ever, not at all, Like
I No, I don't think I've ever like sat down
and been like, ah, I am going to understand, not
even understand. I'm just going to listen to the song
knowing it's an Eminem songs. I'm hearing like a clip
somewhere as a meme.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I'm just saying, like on the radio or whatever, Like
you've never heard the song on the part.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Where I would have not acknowledged, like I said, I
haven't listened to it knowing it's an Eminem song.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
See that's what That's a weird part of life. Like
I never cared on any.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Rap thing ever, regardless, Like I want to go it's
Eminem and turn it off. I just go, I don't
care for this whoever is doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
So what music do you listen to? Do you listen
to only a scream? Oh? Like I would assume you do.
Are you a punk guy? Yeah, where are you Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
And then also it's it's not even that's more techno
dubstep and experimental DDR boss songs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
So at twelve eleven thirty, in that preteen to teenage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Even then, I was listening to a DDR Boss song
because I played DDR and Max three hund was the shit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
But but you see where that's different and where that's
odd because like a lot of our age group, eminem
was the top of the charts, you know what I'm saying.
So like the songs like Mockingbird that have over a
billion views on YouTube, you might have come in touch with,
and you're like, I don't even know who this is.
So a couple songs. Now, he's kind of like laid
out his feelings to his kids, like if he died,

(01:17:16):
if whatever his feelings are in that moment, and it's
kind of put me to do something towards my kids.
Two or three years ago, I bought a couple leather
bount notebooks to where I could like write notes and
stories of what they did to them, so that way
they can kind of look back at it and be like, oh,
not necessarily a scrap book, but they have a way
to kind of see what I was excited about, what

(01:17:37):
I understood, what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Sendyers is going to get wild because you just like
there's gonna be AI programs where like the AI just
prompts you things and then you respond to it and
then twisted into you and you leave that for your kid.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
That's why I like doing this show and telling the
stories at the end, because it's like, if they want
to go back and listen to, like what crazy story
happened when Dad was thirteen, they can. It's like at
some point they're going that in the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Book, like big Note just skipped the last thirty minutes
of any episode of the rest is bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Exactly, Like at some point they're going to want and
go back. They're gonna want to hear the story about
this or that if something ever happens to me, or
even if you know, I go fucking seen Isle and
I don't remember everything anymore. You know what I'm saying, Like,
there's so many mind altering, fucking diseases now that at
some point you know you're gonna be fucked up. But
he released another two songs that are similar to Mockingbird,

(01:18:28):
where it's like a note to his kids of like
this happened, this happened, this happened. I'm sorry that all
this happened. And it was so in I believe it's
two thousand and six or twenty ten. He overdosed overdose
to the point where it's like he was posted dying
and he was able to pull out of it, and
he wrote these songs as if he overdosed and died,

(01:18:49):
and he's like he's speaking to his daughter. He's like, Hayley,
I wasn't there for your first podcast. I wasn't there
for when your kid was born. I wasn't there for
your wedding. And I'm just like, fuck, it's surreal when
you sit there and look at a day to day
life and you're like, Okay, it's just day to day life.
I made dinner today, I made the bed today, I

(01:19:12):
made a drink this morning. I took a shower. I
was able to kind of be okay. Fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Well, the way I see it is also just how
trivial it is to miss so much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Yeah, Like I think about this logically, and I'm like,
I attempted when I was fourteen, I attempt when I'm fourteen.
My daughter, my oldest daughter, doesn't fucking happen two years later,
two years, like two years of life gets affected by
one decision, and that becomes what another eighty years of life. Technically,

(01:19:47):
one decision affects over a hundred years worth of life
in one circumstance. Let alone, I have three kids, and
it's just like, it's weird to think of life so
selfishly in situation that you don't perceive all of it anymore.
And that's why I wanted to bring this up in
this episode, especially with all the shit that's going on.

(01:20:09):
It's like, it's very very easy to look at life
in a very selfish way. I'm like, oh, well, I
did this, or I did that, or I wanted to
do this, or I wanted to do that, and all
of those things as a whole matter, Okay, yeah they do.
They all matter. Your pain and your suffering or having
ADHD matters, but all of those things are how you

(01:20:32):
perceive the world, not as a whole. This entire situation
where it's like, okay, all of these things fuck up
this and fuck up that and destroy this and destroy that.
Why what is all of this? What is this situation?
Why is this going to be derogatory? In the end,
It's like, if I attempted, if I fully committed in

(01:20:55):
either of those times, how many things did I miss?
Did I miss my daughter's first steps? Did I miss
my son going to the prom or my daughter just
going to problem?

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
I am offended. You also miss like learning who I
am and then having this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Exactly like what happens if you It's not just about you,
bro well, like I I am thinking about it in
like eight Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I know, like the family things of the tie in
with him and m But yeah, it's like you miss everything, dude, everything,
don't you exactly everything?

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Don't It's like, guys, there's more to life than just
one situation. There's more to life than just one problem.
You could break up with somebody and lose everything, like
dealing and looking at what I dealt with obviously I'm
not going into it, but I lost fifteen fucking years.

(01:21:46):
How do you not look at that and be like, oh,
I fucking wasted time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Yeah. When I had my big breakup, what got me
through it was like just realizing people lose more everything.
You get off lucky if you don't lose the kids,
the dog, the house, the car, half your income, forever,
and even then people lose more than that compared to
the person that loses that. So like that was my thing.
It's like people get it worse and lose more everything.
So there's just a lot of everything out there to

(01:22:08):
still have. Not that I attempted or anything, but it's
like I still have, you know, have any depression before
you even get to that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Point, and that shit that ship rate there is the
reason why I say that you talking shit to somebody
shouldn't be a cancible thing, because you're saying the other
side too. You're saying, stand the fuck up, do this
or just.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Shut up, don't let it get that bad, because it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Yeah, exactly life life. Honestly, I could have left it.
I could have lost everything so much harder. I could
have not done everything by myself for two years. I
could have, you know, fought every single step of the way,
and I could have said, you know what, I give up,
and I walked into the woods and absolutely attempted again.
And it's just like, how many things do I lose

(01:22:54):
out on I'm living my dreams regardless of how hell
life is. I swung a ten out of a situation
that I shouldn't have you know, life as hell, Like
you don't want huge life changes in your life. But
at the same time, it's like, I could have not
been there for a problem. I could have not been there,
I could have not gotten custody of my kids, I
could have not done any of the things that I've done.

(01:23:16):
And it's like, guys, you can't tear yourself up to
the point where you're not able to see that anymore.
You have to be able to see what tomorrow brings.
And if you can't see what tomorrow brings, then look farther.
It's not just one situation, it's every situation. If you
can't fight the little situations of not being there for
the first podcast or the first steps or whatever, then

(01:23:38):
you have to see the positives and being there for
those things. It fucking sucks, man, It fucking sucks because
I've changed so much in my mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yeah, and it really sucks see other people just not
and letting themselves go deeper and deeper because of complacency,
and they get interrunet points, they get rewarded for it,
they get their attention that they desperately need. That doesn't
make them any better. It means they just have to
get worse to get more attention.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Like I remember when I would I was so online,
Like I was the most online kid in two thousand
and nine that you possibly could be. In two thousand
and eight, I was talking to every single person I
possibly could that I was in school with. AIM was
always open on my on my computer or on my phone.
It was always on, and I was always.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Friends like that. They would come over and then log
into like MySpace and AIM and then spend time on
the computers like we're supposed to be hanging out and
playing Mario Party.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Not to that point where I was like disconnected from
the person that was in front of me. But it
was like it was like okay, which is weird because
it was I could connect. It was a way to
connect to people, and there'd be a disconnect to where
they're not seeing like the raw version of me, because
I was shown that that wasn't okay, and that's what's
so real.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
No point to ever go, oh, I can mask. I
was just like now I'm just talking the same person
as if it was in front of me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Ever, and that's how I treated things like I was
able to be more vulnerable because there was a disconnect
than the person that's right in front of me. So
like I was more willing to speak about my open
health trauma, my mental health trauma. In those situations, I
was like, so many people came to me like I'm
feeling down, I'm feeling depressed. I didn't get off the
computer with them until they were okay, they were okay

(01:25:18):
enough to like step aside. And it's hard because like,
I was that person for so many people, and it's
like I just needed one of those people to reflect
and ask me, and it there wasn't that connection ever.
And it's weird because I don't think people do that now.
I think people will just throw oh I have add
in their bio and just be like, Okay, that solves

(01:25:40):
all the problems. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't solve anything.
And if you don't have a goal that you're working towards,
then you're just ADHD and going through life. You are
an NPC. You are the person that everybody's like, there's
not really anything going on there anymore. And it's weird.
It's weird to look at people and just be like,
there's a disconnect in their brain that they're just not

(01:26:03):
a follef.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Man even deeper because I think we brought it up
on the show when we were talking about like no
inner monologue and stuff, where one of the scariest commons
I've seen about that is someone talking about how like
demons prefer idle minds. So if like you give up
that humanity in yourself and you let the demons in that,
that's like what the cause that's like the symptom of

(01:26:24):
being an NPC. So like, well, if you see an NPC,
that's the one that's it's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
So with ADHD and suicidal ideation, there's a lot of
thoughts going around dealing with my ADHD and SI. I
calmed those voices like there's not an inner monologue to
the point where every single thing's pre thought out. I
can kind of make the choice, do the thing and

(01:26:50):
go through the day and kind of force myself to
do it, which is what getting rid of those thought
processes did. And that's where I think a lot of
people with ADHD or autism struggle with that question of, oh, well,
there's an inner monologue. That inner monologue was very very
loud about being negative always, so I quieted it down

(01:27:11):
to the point where I healed and now it's not
there as badly, So not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Only an innermoo. I'm just saying, like any of these
negative things that's seen as like you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Know, I not, but that's wrong point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
And that's why I like listening to Jordan Peterson so
fascinating when talks about the demons of what you invite in,
and it's like if it was already there, then that
means you know you had that possession. And it is
even a religious sense, it's all like an allegory for
just the human condition where it's like you let something
in somehow somewhere, whether it's a real manifestation of an
actual demon because of God exists, or just the metaphor

(01:27:44):
of how you are creating this in your psyche, because
that negativity deep inside being a human one, and like
you have to find ways of beating it, and there's
many different ways of beating it, and sometimes it goes
too crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
And that level of being a human and feeling like
a human and not feeling disconnected from what is there
is the weirdest thing that I think a lot of
people are struggling with, which is why you're not getting
the I'm sorry for bumping into you, or trying to
step in front of you as you're trying to grab
something off the shelf, or like we don't look at

(01:28:18):
each other as humans anymore, which is powerful right now, you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Know, it's it got a balancing act, sometimes goods on
the higher on the up, and sometimes bad fighting back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
And it's hard. It's hard to fight those demons of like, oh, well,
you're just not that person. You're not. You don't care. No,
it all matters, All of it matters. And it's like
if you don't fight it, if you're not against it,
then you're just accepting it, and accepting it is wrong exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Every vegetable you eat, that's another. Like you know your
sword's getting upgrade, do some push ups? You you gotta fight.
You actually have to fight the demons, and that takes work,
and that takes upgrading, and that takes whatever analogy you
need for it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
And all of those are steps, every single one of them.
Like getting up and getting out of bed, as stupid
as it sounds, is step one. Yeah, you beat Like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Do you beat the devil at level one at the game? No,
he bodies you in the tutorial and slams you somewhere
and then you guys grind up and then he's still there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
In YouTube short games where they're like, oh, this game
looks fantastic, you sit there and you have to fight
the level five demon and then you go and fight.
All those games are fake, but still it's that same
exact idea. It's life. And that's why those those games
are like, oh, it's got you, because the numbers make
sense to you. You're still level one, you're still level two.

(01:29:39):
You're still fighting against the ship that your mom put
in your head because they weren't happy with themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Yeah, you didn't get past the first boss yet, giving
you're going to turn off the game at the first boss.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
That's why it iss you. That's why everything as a whole,
and this Gary Vee quote makes so much sense. It's
not you who dislike you. You know that, right. It's not
you who dislikes you. It's the people that you grew
up next to. It's it's your mom, it's your dad,
it's your grandma, it's your grandpa. That you heard all

(01:30:11):
of their negative things that they said about themselves or
they said about you, even in circumstances, all those thoughts
that you have negative about yourself, whether you're fat, whether
you're stupid, whether you're dumb, whether you you can't even
put a thought together, or you're dyslexic, or you have
a stutter, whatever the fuck it is. Those things were
picked on by your parents. Those things were picked on

(01:30:31):
by other people in your early childhood. It's not you
hating yourself. And that's the weirdest fucking thing. You want
to know where you start accepting something.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Forgiving yourself yourself not easy, you know, that's kind of
a big truth.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
You have to you have to care. You have to
care about who you are enough of a person in
order to step forward and be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
And if you really don't like something, change it if
you can, because that's what growth is about.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
But growth, growth as hell. Growth is moving And if
you want growth, blue che I wish. But that growth,
that that moving past, that brain chemistry of just going
through the day is what all of these people are
talking about with the matrix, with with NPC culture and

(01:31:20):
all of that shit. They're saying that you don't move
past the phase forward things in life. It's not an
IQ thing. And I had this conversation with my mom
the other day oh, well, they have this IQ or
that IQ, and they don't see the world as you do.
I'm like, okay, I understand that, but they don't. Why

(01:31:41):
do they see just what's in front of them. There's
a difference there. There's a disconnect there that I don't have. Like,
if you go to work and you go to work
at Walmart today, do you think about what you're going
to be doing at Walmart tomorrow? Like I didn't do that.
When I worked out a big box story. It wasn't Oh,

(01:32:02):
I'm going to do this, Oh I'm going to do
this tomorrow. It's the same fucking thing every day. Doesn't
Your mind is connect at some point? Don't you realize
that there's a difference and there's a different part of life.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Well, I mean that is where it gets messy and
muddy with IQ, because a lot of low IQ issues
are from not being able to have abstraction, so they
can't they just don't know what that's like because they
don't know what well. Also, and then not every person
of low qu doesn't have an inner monologue, but someone
that's never had an inner moologue, they don't they don't know,
they don't know that there's a possibility out there or
how to even access that. It's like, it's different and weird,

(01:32:37):
but there are there are, there are just hard blocks.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
A lot of the people, a lot of the people
that I've seen with lower IQ will end up talking
to themselves. They're talking them through them talking through talking themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
And that's no inner moologue because they can't they can't
think of themselves. They have to say it to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
But even that's not a negative to me, Like, yeah,
thinking about it, logically, they're talking themselves through the thing.
So technically, to me, somebody who's going to talk themselves
through something or talk to themselves about something, they're trying
to comprehend and they comprehend through listening, not not trying
to think about it. So to me, that would be
higher IQ than somebody who's just not doing anything about it,

(01:33:18):
like logically, but that's not how IQ works, and that's
to me weird, Like and I fight for IQ a lot,
Like I understand where it can be usable in a
lot of situations, but that to me is where it
disconnects a little bit. Like if somebody's talking themselves through something,
they're actually thinking about it, they're actually mean, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Can have high IQ and no inner monologue and still do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
That or low IQ and talk themselves through something and
they they're a knuckle dragger, And that to me is
where it's weird. It's like there's no direct correlation to
the things we do and the intelligence we have.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Well, the thing is, it's always like the bell curve
always shifts to where like sometimes you're going to find
the small percent outlier on both sides or it's like
more common towards one side because of the shifting bell curve.
So it's like, yes, while it is more common for
someone with low IQ to not have an inner monologue
because of a failure of abstraction and intelligence, sometimes it

(01:34:14):
goes the other way, but it doesn't have those implications.
And that's what I mean, like I keep it too messy
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Something like this, and it gets gross and it gets
destructive in some ways, you know what I'm saying, And
it's hell because it's like I don't I don't grasp it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
But then aren't so clear when like you're talking to
an idiot that has none of that anything and they're
not even trying because they can't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Yeah, but it's like at what point where does that start?
And I'm starting to see that people into comments. No,
I don't. This is this is where the autism and
the problems come in. And this is where I struggle
to see the situation why autism as a whole, the
spectrum of autism makes everything gray and gross. And it's like, Okay,

(01:35:00):
so you're bad because I perceive you as bad and
I'm autistic and you can't question it. And it's like
I just did four hours, just two hours worth of content,
and you're saying I'm bad because you're autistic. It's like, guys,
that's not how we have a conversation or a discourse. Okay,
Oh your IQ's one ten and you can't put your

(01:35:21):
thoughts at all on paper because you're just like bad.
I don't understand. I don't. I don't grasp it. I
don't firmly grasp it. SpongeBob, I can't find the lid.
I don't. I don't understand. I don't understand there because
all these people, all of these people that are just
like t he why would I listen to anybody who

(01:35:41):
wears a collar. They can't all be knuckle draggers. They
can't be not all of them. It's impossible that every
person that says tea.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Oh yeah exactly, you know, like, not every Biden voter
is under ninety IQ. It's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
It's just it's so hard. So do you want me
to tell a story or are we just gonna wrap
it there? Okay, boys, we'll see if fucking next time.
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Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
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