RMTS 156 W/ Drift0r: Has Dr Disrespect BEEN REDEEMED?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You've raised a lot of good points with saying that
Twitch wanted to get rid of him for this reason
or that reason, whether that be Ninja or Shroud. I
understand that ideology. He isn't wrong to point at that.
I'd be like, you know, this is weird. That's when
my contract was canceled. You got to know what also
was weird. You were just proven that you break NDA's
and guess what, you didn't protect yourself. You're not showing whispers. Hello, boys,

(00:32):
welcome to RMTS one fifty six. We got drifted on
with us. I guess he's a lying hypochondriac.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Ge what can I do for you? Boys?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Say, would you like to buy a chocolate bar? We
need an operation?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Really, small world, what's the matter with you? Guys?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We got some head trauma and eternal bleeding.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Ugh, some guys have all the luck. I was born
with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning break my legs,
and every afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I break my arms.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Good night, I awake in agony until my heart attacks
put me to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
But uh, it is one of those days. Boys. All
three of us were lagging behind. We agreed to do
this yesterday at the time at three o'clock, like we
set up and then all of a sudden, drifters like,
so two and a half hours from now right, And
I'm like, fuck, did I mess up? Did we all
screw up? I'm so confused. Oh god, it's one of
those days. I guess we're all.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Time zones are hard. And then Zach's like, no, he
said two hours from now, and I went, okay, I'm
just gonna take a shower, and he's like, no, it's
on now, Like, but all right, I've got I'm just
staying in my bathrobe. Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
It's one hundred percent my fault. I was just working
on other projects. You lose track of time plus or minus.
And I'm like, yeah, I still got two hours. I'm
gonna cook myself some lunch and like take a shower
and chill, and like, oh my god, I'm just evaporated.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
So now I do that all the time. ADHD has
me such so time blind some days that I'm just
like what the fuck is going on? But I'm just
like disconnected. I'll forget what day it is. I'll be like,
oh it's Tuesday, No, it's Wednesday. I'll work yesterday. I
should fucking know it's bad some days. But you know, some.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Days, Zach doesn't even change the time zones for me.
He's like six o'clock and I'm just like, I have
to assume that's Eastern and on Pacific. So three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, we had that problem so many times where you're like, oh,
this time Pacific. I'm like, that doesn't sound right. You
should be for it. Nope, I'm just a retardt.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, and then it's like, oh no, that time I
meant Pacific and that's why you're late. It's like, okay, fine,
just say it in Eastern. I'll mentally configure it. We're good,
we figured it.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
There is always to talk about both, which is why
instead of hey are we good at three, I said,
we're good for two point five hours from now. So
you can see whatever that time stamp is in discord you.
I always send like the time zone and the number
of hours if it's same day. Tends to prevent mistakes.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, and you have to be really like annoying about it,
but it means.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
No problems exactly. It was my stupidity. In all honesty,
I'll loan up to that. That one was my fault.
I said, yes, I was like, okay, so we're all
good at est and then yeah, it just gets sucked up.
Shit happens. But how have you been man? Because we
saw you on PK, you had a great fucking appearance
this time. I like that, Well, thank you, but I
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I felt very I wasn't super happy with the appearance.
Mostly the latter part. I was trying to basically argue
with most of the cast, and it's a show where
a lot of the guys just talk over the guests
and over each other all the time. So when I
finally got a word, it's like, I gotta go really
fast to get all the facts out in like thirty
seconds because you know you're gonna get cut off. And
it was a real big struggle. I put the lying

(03:35):
hypochondriac down there as the label. I almost did that
for PK, but I tried to do another gag that
failed with the green screen reveal of being upright. I'm
doing a lot better. Second round of treatment was significantly
more successful than the first, and importantly, the first round
of treatment only held for about two months, and then
it kind of read the parasites came back. I guess

(03:58):
we didn't get them all and three half months now
with no problems. Uh, continuing to get stronger, working out. Yes,
obviously still in a in a bed here. That's not ideal.
You can't. You can't unfuck a broken back in two months.
Like I spoken, the bone's broken and I'm sort of
fighting for that. It's a lot of planks, a lot
of crunches, a lot of oblique work, a lot of

(04:21):
you know, hitting the elliptical, swimming two times a week,
all this kind of stuff. And my body is taking
that now instead of just struggling with almost any sort
of activity. And I'm hoping a couple of months, maybe
sometimes some amount of time less than a year. I'll
never be an athlete again. I'll never be a you know,
fly to Dubai and sit for thirty six hours kind

(04:41):
of guy. But I would like to be able to
go on a two or three hour drive and for
it to not be such a big deal.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I just want to be normal again.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Close to normal. I'll deal without it. I'll be happy
if I can land and like out of shape middle
aged dad territory. That'll totally work.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's normal now exactly are.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Going better, That's that's the big point is they're going better,
but it's been a it's been a struggle, and there is, unfortunately,
up to blake probably the rest of my whole life,
a slight chance of a another population bloom of tick
more and illness. So I have to kind of be
on top of that and monitor symptoms. Just praying, just
praying we can continue all this positive progress.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
At least everything's calmed down, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's such a it's such a weight off your
shoulders to feel like, okay, things are starting to result
back to calm, not not even normal, just calm, because
just when you're dealing with shit like this, like I
know we've talked in the past and shit like that,
it's like you don't know what normal is anymore. Like
I don't know what it feels like to feel not

(05:42):
broken neck, not fucked up hand, Like those things don't
come back to normal, Like I'm still walking on an
injury in my ankle that I've had for three years
from being run over by a car. Like at the
same time, that shit doesn't go away.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
So if it's worth your perspective, like when you see
other people doing things normal activities, and you're like, wow,
they're doing stunts.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It almost worked my mind to think that I am
just babying myself, almost like with my ankle, I was.
I was literally by myself. I had three kids by myself,
had no help nothing. I was put on crutches. They said, well,
you have to carry the baby on the crutch. Figure
it out. And two days after that, my ex wife's like,

(06:26):
you don't need crutches. You're just being a pussy. I'm like,
you don't. You don't know, like you don't know whether
to fight back and be like, no, this is real,
like you ran me over the car. Or do you
just let the person sound off and just accept that
maybe you're just being a bitch. It's hard.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yep, literally gone through exactly that I put the lying
hypochondriac thing. The pKa community is obsessed with diagnosing me
with mental disorders and other things, and I even put
like documentation on the show. I don't care the same
with me.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
You're producer than I am. It's it's a great it's
a great time.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
But doctors are kind of the same. You know, I
come in, I've got all this crazy shit going on,
and these these very kind of weird labs, and they're like, Okay,
is this guy the one in ten million person that
has this disorder? Or is this guy having an anxiety
attack and freaking out? And as much as it pissed
me off to be told that all the time, from

(07:23):
the doctor's perspective and the fact that they have to
treat patients fifteen twenty maybe forty five minutes if you're lucky,
that's the smart guess. Ninety nine point nine percent of
the time that a person doesn't have a rare disorder,
it's probably something else. So lifestyle problem. Perhaps you should
try drinking less alcohol, you know. And I'm like, I

(07:44):
don't drink at all, And a doctor's like, scoff and laugh.
Don't believe that at all. Not fun. Yeah, you do
start believing it. You start like, well, am I crazy?
Do I need to? I would check myself in for
therapy and mental health and I would like sort of
sit there and kind of freak out, like what if
I've done to myself it's all in my head. I'd
be horrible and I'd like flex my hand and it

(08:05):
would be awful pain, like forcing the nerves to work,
and I'm like, that's just anxiety. Anxiety.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I had that shit twice. I had it with my
workers compcase with my neck, and then I had it
again mental health wives because I'm like, I'm one of
those people that's willing to ask the question of is
it this is? Is this what the problem is? And
ask the questions, because that's how you should treat a
doctor's appointment, asking the questions on how you should handle
these things, or is this what's wrong? Is how it

(08:36):
should be. It shouldn't just be oh they get to escape, bye,
they get the paint whatever the fuck they want on
you and walk out the door, because that's not helping you. So,
like with my mental health, I was like, I suffer
with severe ADHD. That's a problem. My ex wife was
diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and I was like, okay,
well I dealt with very, very very similar things to

(08:57):
her in life. So I was like, do I I
have to deal with the possibility of being diagnosed with
borderline personality disorder? And I had to figure out if
that was acceptable for me to accept that answer or
is it just do I fight against it? Because I
should fight against everything. And I asked my therapist straight out,
I was like, is this what you think I had?
They're like, no, No, you have ADHD, you have suicidal ideation,

(09:19):
and you have OCD. That is it. The thing is
so many things overlap, and so many things are taken
off or still a diagnosis or the diagnosis has changed
that having those questions of is it this is acceptable?
But if I don't know you personally, there is your
reason that I will ever accept you questioning me and
being like, well this is the answer, I'm like no,

(09:42):
Like I would rather give the people the help and
stuff like that. Like I've reached out to people and
given them the advice that I have, but I don't
like it from Rando's online that I've never even spoken
to once.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Oh dude, the Rando advice is so bad. I'm probably
going to do a video with all this good news,
but I'm going to put a part in it straight
up bitching about the terrible advice I've gotten. There's converting
to any religion you can think of, from Christianity to Islam,
to Hndism to Scientology to Buddhism or something and whatever,
God will heal you. Yeah, you need to meditate, you

(10:17):
need to touch grass, you need vitamins, you need to
do a carnivore diet. There's sort of I've had to
tell people that red pills are not medicine and that
whatever the fuck you saw on Joe Rogan doesn't necessarily
apply to what I've got going on. I've had to
tell people that no, I can't drink skinny tea and
meditate and show my asshole to the sun every morning
to photosynthesize and get better. That's just not how any

(10:40):
of this works. Or I see this a lot from
the pKa communities, Like this guy you want, he needs,
he needs to get his ass kicked, and me and
some rough guys are going to take him out and
make him put on a rucksack and march up a mountain,
make a man out of this guy. And I'm like, yeah,
that's medicine. You got guys with broken bones. And the
doctor's like, yeah, you need a rock march that'll make
you feel better. So much awful, terrible advice. And I

(11:01):
talked about it on the show. I got referred to
a doctor that sold prayer prescriptions for I don't remember
how much money. I'll just pick a number. Twenty bucks.
You can buy a little one of those like sort
of cannabis dispensary, big tall bottles with the twist caps
and inside there's little pieces of paper printed with prayers
and you can pay for that and it will cure you.

(11:23):
And the website hilariously said, we offer Christian and Jewish prayers,
but not Muslim prayers because Allah isn't real. And I'm
like this practitioner of medicine, and you know, it frightens
me to think that people with I'm building myself up
perhaps lesser critical thinking skills are people that have been
mentally hammered by something or stressed or freaking it out,

(11:45):
and they're looking for hope that they would fall into
this crap and pay twenty dollars to get little printed affirmations.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
So the shitty part to me is you are you
have the common sense and you're willing to ask yourself.
Am I the part that's wrong. I mean, you've had
this conversation not only on the show, but in private too,
where you're like, I could be wrong. That's the biggest
part is like, if you can admit that you're wrong,
you're in the step in the right direction. It doesn't

(12:12):
it doesn't change anything. Then you're doing the right thing.
You're willing to accept where you're wrong or right. But
when these these people are like, oh, well it's only this,
it's like, guys, you don't understand. So recently, I've been
dealing with massive amounts of anxiety and stress and it's
probably dealing with some of my PTSD and stuff like that.

(12:33):
So I started dealing with I downloaded a CBT app,
which is cognitive therapy and stuff like that to kind
of just break back down myself to where I need
to be because I know this is not where I
need to be. I need to be talking more, not less.
I need to stop withdrawing myself and everything else. It's like,
if I can question myself of is this the answer,

(12:57):
then I'm going to find a genuine answer. But if
you make it so way, everything is, oh I'm a
piece of shit. Oh I need to go fucking become
religious and fix it that way. It's like, guys, no,
that's not how things work. Like you can you can
fix yourself very very much by forcing everything and doing everything.
But the thing is is if you keep forcing it

(13:19):
every single time, that is the only way you know
how to fix it. And that's The biggest part to
me is like you could fix yourself. You can force
yourself and you could sun tann your asshole and I'm
sure you know that might have some health benefits or cancer.
You could end up like Kyle, imagine getting a fucking
triangle swat out of your asshole, Like, oh yeah, that's
where I got skin cancer. Yeah, it doesn't sound fun,

(13:42):
but it's like you could you could fix something that way.
I'm sure, I'm sure that it has some benefits in
some form or fashion whatever. But that's not the answer
to everything. The answer the answer to my neck wasn't
praying it away and continue doing what I was doing.
I die then, Like it's just it's stupid.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
The same can be said, I will pull away from
health of other issues in life that I genuinely find
people more trustworthy when they admit that there are things
that they don't know or unknowns or complexities. But I
feel slightly different than say the mass of humanity. And
I'll try not to go to politics on this, but
let's say, arguing the economy, what's better for the economy

(14:24):
this interest rate, this policy, this monetary plan, and the
people that I trust the least are the ones like, yeah,
we do X. We get why. It's easy. I know this,
I got this solved. It's guaranteed onlock, and that really
appeals That confidence appeals to a lot of people. I
gravitate more towards the intellectual types that are like, well,

(14:45):
you know, the economies made out of five thousand complex pieces,
and based on evidence, we think this is the best approach,
but we have to be cautious with it because things
could go wrong. That is a person who's being honest
with how complex a problem is. But that's of lack
of confidence doesn't appeal very much to more emotional thinkers.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
And I think, being even more precise in what you're
trying to say, it's like that, if you look at
the entire political spectrum and you look at the exaggerative
twenty five percent on each side, those people are completely
thrown away. You don't want to deal with them at all.
Me and you may be able to understand and perceive
things quite differently in some circumstances, were quite similar in others.

(15:28):
The thing is is I don't want to deal with
the twenty five percent on the left, and I don't
want to deal with the twenty five percent on the
right because once you hear their rhetoric of exaggerating absolutely everything,
and you saw it last night in the debate, when
when somebody goes super exaggerative, it's like, oh, I'm just
going to poke and prod you, and it's like the fuck,
Like one person saying nothing, the other's kind of rebuttaling
everything that said to them. And that's about it. That's

(15:51):
not how we should be doing any of this. It's
not how this should work. It's like we're being run
by the far left and the far right, and everybody
wants to drag their nuts on the fence and say,
I'm not handling this. Guys. It's not about who you
like or who you don't like. You should be voting
for the things that you want this country to go for,
and not just the super far extremes.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
The far extreams are nightmare town. Very Actually, I was
gonna say rarely, I'll say never. No example that I
can think of when you solely like dedicate yourself to
an ideology and chase that to its furthest ends, does
it ever work well? And that can be socialism or libertarianism.
When you're just the principle is beyond any observable reality.

(16:35):
You're gonna get some really weird results.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, And it's like we're being led by those people
right now. We're being pushed by those people right now.
On both sides.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
It's like, I think it's a primary problem. Democrats primaries
are a little less open. Almost all Republican primaries are open.
But the bizarre thing is, I think the primary system
increases extreme candidates because only the most die hard, the
most ideologically driven and motivated people show up to vote
for primary. So some of them, like five percent of

(17:05):
voters ever vote in primaries, and those are the people
that probably live in the news cycles that twenty five
percent extream on either side you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
So they're not candidenced the average person.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
No, they're not. They're they're capturing whatever person will best
appeal to an emotional bias, which unfortunately is often an
extreme bias.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, going back to what you were saying about, like
critical thinking skills. If you have an abstraction, you've beaten
like eighty percent of Internet commentators already. So like that's
just my struggle because I deal with all these haters
and stupidity and pokemon we're just like, here's proof of
someone cheating. It's like, well, how do you know that.
It's like, because the game's data does not allow anything

(17:45):
else to happen inside the game. It doesn't matter that
you like that person. They are a proven cheater. It
doesn't matter they're a world champion. They're a proven cheater.
And it's like, well, you're just toxic. For list five,
it's like, all right, cool, you have no ability to
think for yourself. What progress have we made?

Speaker 4 (17:59):
The math doesn't lie, Like it's all very hard to
make math live, but then you can prove that it's
like you know, it's sort of the science is here
and it's not about my opinion, it's about what we
can observe.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
And yeah, and then when it comes to like also
being able to admit when you're wrong, I've noticed that
like that gets harder and harder to do just in society,
like in person, when like you're just like, hey, I
have a question, and then you get like a nasty
response back like how did you not know that? It's like, well,
I just was vulnerable to show that I am human
and I wanted to rely on you for like a

(18:31):
little bit of extra insight or knowledge, and you snapped
at me, so like, great, Now I don't want to
do that anymore, and everyone's an asshole. I think that's
a big problem too.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I liked one thing that Trump did a lot last night,
and it wasn't even directly towards Kamala, but it proved
a point that the United States still doesn't fucking listen,
he pointed out. He said, guys, Biden accepted payments from
Ukraine and China, two countries that have grown drastically empower

(19:01):
in the past three years. Where are we going to
actually question if this is a problem or not, because
we're still sending payments over there. We don't want a
war over there. We don't want Russia to win, we
don't want Ukraine to win. We don't want a war.
But yet they're still receiving money. Yet you guys are
questioning me if I'm going to end the war. Yes,
I would end the war. I would end the war

(19:23):
day one. It would be the first thing I tackled.
But yet we're still questioning why Biden has these problems.
It's stupid to me, it's stupid. I looked at the
voting numbers as well, because I knew we were going
to have you on, and I know you're an analytical
mind just like me. And I'm going to use round
numbers to soway all these you know, knuckle draggers can grasp.

(19:44):
Numbers are not going to be perfect. But it's a
really interesting point. There were three hundred and thirty million
people in the United States that were eligible voting age
about not perfect with numbers. I'm not bringing up the numbers.
I'm just doing it off.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
It's my big number.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, And they said one hundred and seventy five thousand,
one hundred and seventy five million people voted in twenty twenty. Okay,
so that's a logical number that makes sense. But now
they're saying that twenty million people were crossing over the border.
So where did those numbers get inflated from? If we

(20:22):
have a pretty good voter turnout, right always, so where
are the new voters coming from? If the generations get
smaller as they go?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I have answers. So I'm gonna write this down in
chat so I don't forget.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
No, You're good. It's just interesting to me because it's
like they want to use a whole bunch of smoke
and mirrors to kind of bring up these topics and
then not touch on them at all, and then smoking mirrors.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
So as for voter turnout, out, voter turnout and presidential
elections is usually a lot bigger than anything else. The
last two or three have been much spicier than anything
we've seen in history, so turn has been a lot higher.
Stakes get higher, turnout gets higher. And there's an interesting
little demographic shift that people are on average living longer,

(21:09):
so you do have more older voters or they're dying off,
but more of them are living longer to vote, and
there's a lot of the youth stuff. So between all
those factors, it's not surprising that voter turnout is slowly
creeping up. And I'm going to try to clarify here
from my left wing bubble. Are you saying that the immigrants,

(21:30):
all twenty million or some number of them are voting
illegally and that's driving voter turnout.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm not saying directly that they are or they aren't,
and that's me being genuine and honest. I don't know
if they are.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Also, there's still tons of legal immigration that then it
is the right to vote. That also is an inflation
beyond our population growth of just like old people and whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
It seems disincentivizing, especially when you look at the numbers
of Okay, so Trump had a record turnout, Like if
you discount by didn't all together at this second and
you say, yeah, a record higher Yep.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's the crazy thing to me because people are like, oh, well,
Trump lost because no one liked him. It's like he
got more votes after already getting a crazy amount of votes.
So it's like something weird was going on at the very.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Least, like logically, like even on the left wing with you,
do you see that there is a question there of
this seems uncomfortable and disconnected at some point, it seems weird.
It seems like they're rubbing something to make this look
even worse. If you have a record turnout three times
in a row, how many more times is there going

(22:38):
to be a record turnout? Is there a record turnout
this year for somebody who wasn't even voted in the primaries.
That's interesting to me.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
There might be really mean, we do have media cycles
hyping this up to be uh, basically the last chance
for democracy to survive, and you know, and Taylor Swift's
on board, and.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Then Donald J.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Trump is now President of the United States. I don't
think I share the same beliefs that you do on
increasing voter turnout being suspicious for the factors I listed
and all the things that I read about immigrants voting
and dead people voting. Those numbers from what we can prove,

(23:17):
incredibly tiny.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh absolutely, I'll disagree with those numbers more.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
I totally forget. We can come back to this something now.
I'm in my little left wing media bubble, So maybe
I didn't understand what you said. You said Biden accepted
payments from Ukraine and China and then they grew in power.
I'm a little lost on what payments were accepted.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I can explain a little bit more so when Biden
was VP. Obviously time mine's gonna be a little screwed
up doing this all off the top of my head.
I apologize if I'm miss When Biden was VP, Hunter
was put on Barizma's board for gas and oil resources
in Ukraine, right right, So he was receiving millions and

(24:00):
millions of dollars from Barizma in Ukraine, and there was
emails back and forth. Yes, there was emails back and
forth of him saying, oh, well, some of this goes
to the big guy and like being very very loose
with his tongue, and at minimum we can agree with
that as being very loose with what you say. Now,
even if that never happened, that's stupid as fuck exactly,

(24:21):
That's my point of it.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
There's also other emails where it's like they're talking about
Joe Biden being the big guy, so it's like it
lines up. You can't wave that one away.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
At the very minimum. Okay, Hunter Biden was being a
dipshit and being like my dad's VP. He helped me out,
you know, maybe we get some kind He was kind
of beating around the bush on that in a very stupid,
unsubtle way, in.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
My opinion, almost in a level of like a TV show,
like if you watch House of Cards. That's the level
of shit that happens in House of Cards. So is
it really that crazy to say that it doesn't happen
in real life because we saw something right in front
of our faces. That is that level of what the
fuck is going on here? There is a question is
my point is.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
I'm not familiar with there being a hard proof a
tangible evidence, a actual transaction that somebody can point to,
or something that would I don't think possibility.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I agree, I don't think a to a there is
a payment going from China or Ukraine directly to Joe Biden,
whether he's VP or not. But what my point was was,
then you see the federal problems with Trump being impeached
for questioning Berizma at all, That to me makes that
even more questionable because it's like, Okay, the VP's son
got a job. Then Trump said, guys, can you fire

(25:40):
this prosecutor and actually investigate this because this is bad,
which I don't agree with him doing at all. So
let's just say that. But I understand where he's coming from.
Once again, very loose with his lips and talks in
ways he should. Then now you have Russian invade Ukraine
after Trump leaves office, and then Ukraine gets billions and

(26:02):
billions of dollars of support from the US and the
UN to deal with not the UN NATO, let me
speak correctly. And then now we have a massive war
in the eastern part of Europe that nobody really wants
to have, and we are supporting it when we're saying Hey, guys,

(26:22):
popularity wise, we don't want this war to happen. We
don't want this to happen. We don't want to be
walking into World War three. I don't think any any
side does. And if you want world War three, then
there's a problem.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Okay, So I.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Want to get agree.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
So you first, man, I've been talking this whole show.
I'll keep my mouth shut for that.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
And when it comes to like the money from China
as well, it's one of those things where like because
of the laptop, people have been able to like go
digging through and it's like, oh, apparently Hunter Biden had
a business that was making payments to Joe Biden, Biden's accow,
and that business was tied to like China dealings. And
I think that's like all been confirmed, so there's actually
documents and stuff about it.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Makes sense logically, like oh.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
At lois like Joe has received several hundred thousand dollars
from Hunter as Hunter is doing all these dealings while
Joe is vice president.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Sketchy, and even if you look at our gaming sphere,
when when a game's released in China, Tencent has to
own part of it. You know what I'm saying, so
it's not out of the realm of possibility to say
that this shit is going to be gray area at best.
Like and if Trump was doing the same things, and
there's direct lineage of this happens, this happens, this happens,
I pointed out too. But this is confusing to me.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
We can play what aboutism. He was very deeply involved
with business and the Saudi's and China and hotels and
charging the government for all the security that stayed there.
That's what about. It's not about Trump at the moment,
But there is an analogy to be made.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
M I just like having the conversation on both sides
and accepting that both sides are gray area minimum. And
that's what my point was was, if we have payments
going from Ukraine to Hunter Biden, the government paying Hunter
Biden when he's not qualified for the job, then all
of a sudden he gets removed because of some problem,

(28:11):
his laptop leaks. Now all of a sudden, Ukraine's mystically
in a war right afterwards, Now we're paying them as
much of a blank check as we possibly can. Gets weird.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, Joe getting that lawyer prosecutor removed. That was like, oh,
that that has to be like the tie, the connection.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Can I try to throw all my Joe Biden good
guy bullshit on this, It's a little two v one
at the moment. No, my understanding of the situation. Ukraine
had a horrific corruption problem and had had that for
thirty plus years. Part of their new government and their
dealings with the United States was to tackle corruption. The prosecutor,
supposedly corrupt Trump got impeached because he withheld aid from

(28:57):
Ukraine in a very pivotal moment in order, I think
the quid pro quote that if the leadership of the
Ukraine would release damaging information about his political opponent, then
they would get the aid that they needed for a war,
which is native blue crime and copy of our treaties
and stuff, and about not wanting a war with Ukraine.

(29:19):
The reason we did it is not because we love
Ukraine and we love spending money. Well, we do love
spending money, to be honest with you. But as Russia
moves closer to NATO, if Russia shares a border with NATO,
or if Russia owns Ukraine, they can put their strategic
military assets much closer to striking Western Europe. Much more
difficult to shoot down. They could even use like sort

(29:41):
of low range dummy missiles and stuff like that, So
we didn't want that scenario at all. We don't like Russia.
There's sort of our ideological and geographical enemy in a
lot of ways. And the prevailing theory behind this was
that we can sell them our junk. It'll be a
little stimulus for our military industrial complex as if they
need more money, and we can waste Russia's resources and

(30:03):
prevent them from encroaching on Western Europe. That's sort of
my summary. Rebuttled all the things super quick.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'll be quiet now, and no, I don't disagree with
any of that. I completely agree. I think that as
a whole Vladimir Zelenski, if they wanted him dead, he
probably would have been Like logically, they were in Kiev,
they were touching these problems. He was very public, He's like,
I'm not leaving. He was saying that he was going

(30:29):
to be there throughout the entire war. He wasn't going
to leave his men by themselves. And I support him wholeheartedly.
I think that that's exactly what a leader should do.
So I don't disagree with you entirely. Don't take it
as I'm like completely on one side and ignore everything,
because I'm not.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Neither of you guys behave that way. But I realized
that my biases are a little different, so I have
to prepare.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
It maybe two be wars, like a little harsh, because
because like no one knows the facts anymore. Everyone's trying
to make sure everyone understands the story. And that's just
because it's like, oh, yeah, but you know about the laptop, right,
and so I do. Still, yeah, I'll tell it.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
There was a chain of custody problem there. It was
with Rudy Giuliani for like three months before the FBI
got it, and the FBI said it was tampered with. Well,
did Juliani tamper with it? Or is the left? Or
is the FBI compromised by Democrats and they're fucking lying.
I don't have the laptop myself. I can't run these tests.
I have to rely on outside sources.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
And that that's my problem with all of politics right now,
is it's like I don't know what's real anymore, Like
there is no genuine honesty anymore on either side. Like
I would have wrote it through Obama and I voted
for Trump, and I'm probably going to vote for Trump
this time. And it's like, I don't believe that there's
honesty anywhere in any of this, but I can understand

(31:45):
where this person changed this thing that impacted me very drastically,
and he's earned my vote. Like as a whole, I
don't I don't see the things that everybody does anymore
because the left shit, all of the left news, it
was so far bad guy Trump. They are unwilling to
admit when he does anything right, and the right is

(32:06):
so far everything else is bad. World War three is
gonna happen, a civil war is gonna happen, fuck everything.
And it's like, guys, we don't have to be so
fucking headstrong on fucking everything because it makes everything feel
so disingenuous and fake that I can't grasp this shit anymore.
There's not honesty anymore, because it's all that.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
There's a very infamous Russian propaganda technique that started in
the late nineties. I forget the name of the guy
that invented it. He was a close friend of Vladimir Putin,
fashion designer worked in the art world of all things,
and he hired him to run the sort of media
apparatus of the government, and he had this brilliant idea
to sponsor everybody. He paid to have Neo Nazis march

(32:49):
in Moscow, he paid to have human rights groups and
their equivalent of vegans and progressives, and then the Procutant party,
and he paid the news organizations to all say different
things to the point where it all became very confusing
and people in Russia sort of lost sense of reality.
And I don't know if either deliberately or convergent design,
there's a very similar thing going on here where you

(33:12):
are comply overwhelmed by radical opinions, wildly different sources, alternative
facts to bring that word back, and the average person
struggles to make sense of it all. For at a
certain point, you don't have the mental effort to keep up,
and you just have a defeatist attitude and you have
to rely more on juristic or emotion.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, and then your emotion picks aside and that's all
you stick to because it's just easier that way. But
I want to go back to Ukraine real quick, because
the strongest argument I've seen that's pro Ukraine again came
from like one of my friends. I was actually thinking
rationally about this whole thing, instead of just like, oh,
well you're in Russia's pocket. Putin lover Trump supporter, it's like, okay, cool,
we're gonna have But someone that was actually rational about it,

(33:55):
I was like, I don't really like how we're sending
all this money to Ukraine. They were like, you know,
Ukraine has like ten trillion dollars in resources, right, we
can't let that fall into Russia's hands. And if we
get a little that back, because now we you know,
we gave them this money, we supported them through the war,
they fight off Russia, some kind of treaty happens, we
start getting a piece of that now and it's going
to come back to us. I was like, oh, I

(34:17):
didn't know Ukraine had that much. Well, I thought Ukraine
was just some shit rock. That's like, oh, this is
the territory that NATO and Russia are fighting over. No,
it's actually a very valuable resource strategic area. So that's like,
that's the those the why is no one making those arguments.
Why can't we be levelheaded enough to actually be like, hey, conservative,
here's the capitalist reason why we want this.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Because they don't want to be ballsy enough to say, hey,
we're going to war with Russia. They don't want to
be ballsy enough to say that we want to go
into Cold War number two. So that way it's automatic
empty check every single day, because it doesn't matter if
it's Ukraine or is real. Right now, we're just pumping
these fucking numbers to say, okay, guys, these are important places. Yes,
they're fucking important places. I think anybody with a brain

(35:01):
can see that these things are important and what's going
on there is important. But if we keep just ramming
our head into things, we're going to continually go into
the cycle of Cold War after Cold War after Cold War.
What happened at feels a real thing?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Well, I was gonna say, there's a bad feeling that happens.
I don't think anybody here would argue with the fact
that America has some things critically underfunded. You know, our
health yess, some education system, kids' school lunches really suck.
I talk about that on pKa, and we don't find
the money for that.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
That's my first thing.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I find the money for Israel every single year, no
matter what. You know, we got bridges collapsing, and I
know that was Biden's built back better. But broadly speaking,
over many decades, we have never found the money to
improve our situation. But man, we find the money to
play it, to do proxy wars wherever the hell it's fun, and.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Bust the immigrants across the country and give them, you know,
one thousand dollars the cars.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Dude, can I talk about that. I'm gonna give you
this left wing spiel in Texas. I fucking hate that
because they're busing them in Texas, right, and it's a
big fuck you to the Sanctuary of Texas. Texas out
of Texas, so they illegally immigrant into Texas, they put
them on buses, they send them to DC to just
go fuck up those cities and overwhelm their resources. The
thing that drives me the company that does that spent

(36:24):
I'm spent balling numbers. It was over two hundred million
dollars this year in Texas at a price of eighteen
hundred dollars per immigrant. The company is owned by a
friend of the governor. And if you wanted to buy
a Greyhound ticket from LA to New York, it's like
five hundred bucks. We're spending triple that price to send
people half the distance, and the governor's friend is pocketing

(36:47):
all the money. Nobody gives a fuck.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I've never heard that before. See I heard the end
result where it's just like they got two thousand dollars
and now they're messing up some town somewhere.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
So that stupid ass fucking oh eating the cats and
dogs quote from last night. I googled that too, because
I thought that was interesting. And let's be honest, it's
not insane to believe stupid things are happening where they're
putting a whole bunch of migrants. If you look at
Germany and you look at London in the past ten years,
stupid and dumb things happened there too, So let's git there.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Let's just say, who the fuck knows what's going on?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Developed for months, So I'm like, yeah, they're I read
the culture clash means they think they can do that.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I read a couple quotes. I'm talking too much. Oh,
you're good, you're good. I'm adhd mind and I'm trying
to get it out but fucking up at the same time,
so I apologize. I read a couple quotes from a
couple locals that were there and are there, and they're like, Okay,
these people are coming in and taking housing away from
everybody that that people want to live in because we're

(37:54):
a town of sixty thousand people and they just bust
in a third of our population into this city. So
now we have a population problem because we have nowhere
for them to live that they are getting free housing
to live there, and they're like, okay. The next quote
was they think that EBT cards are magic money cards,

(38:17):
and she's like, I saw one of their receipts because
they left it at the checkout machine and had five
thousand dollars on it after them spending five hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
And I'm like, hell, ABT card, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Even if that number is wrong, right, let's just say
that number is absolutely inflated. It's crazy. Okay. So it's
two hundred dollars per person per household, So if there's
ten people in a household, that's two thousand dollars on
the low end. That's crazy. If we still have people
that are homeless and not eating and mentally deranged drug

(38:49):
addicts on the street, so we still have a problem here.
Then you look at it and Okay, now they're getting
housing unlimited money, and we have a big problem because
now they're actually in hacking the way the country works.
We're accepting people when all of us say, hey, we
have a mental health problem, we have a health problem.
We have all of these people homeless. Where are we

(39:10):
struggling with a problem. The problem is is we're struggling
all the way across the board. Somebody's about breaking the
drifter's house right now.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
To hear that, yes, that's coming from inside an interior wall.
I think it's a squirrel or something, so you can
correct me if I'm wrong. The Haitians in Springfield, I
don't believe are sort of the undocumented immigrants. Those are
legal residents and citizens. And if I'm not mistaken, it was.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
A people that they're transporting essentially, yes, a.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
City initially, or at least the elected representatives wanted this
to help fill manufacturing jobs in the city because they
didn't have enough workers, so they came up with some
sort of scheme to basically import Haitian workers legally. And
I would not be surprised at all if there are
culture clashes going.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
On and there's a whole bunch of car crashes from
a couple clips that I've seen, like massive amounts of
car crashes in the past month, where it's like this
car's flipped over in the middle of the road because
these people don't have driver's licenses, they're just driving. That's
that's the shitty part to me, and I think that
most people agree with it. Is like they're they're becoming

(40:16):
citizens because we want people, but yet we don't want
the people that are already here. We want extras that
weren't here, and we're busting them in and giving them
all of this availability to things that we have homeless
that don't have availability to it. We tell them that
they're crazy and go kick rocks Grandpa.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
And thank Reagan for that. He shut down public funding
for mental health facilities. They all got to got kicked
out on the streets.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, I disagree with that, Like, but uh, also going
back to that, like when you hear these stories, it's
because everything's so politicized. Even I like, I want to
believe this because it helps my narratives and whatever, but
it's just like, is someone lying, Like, yeah, you should
trust people if someone's like, hey, I've lived here, this
is my story, and then other people have the story,

(41:01):
and then it comes together and becomes a thing. It's
like these people aren't lying, no matter how far fetched
this entire situation sounds. And then people are going for
the backs, like, oh, here's the post from four months
ago on Reddit of just some random person saying like, yo,
I saw them snatch a cat. Yo, they were eating
ducks out of the pond, and there's less ducks around.
Does anyone know why is it? I think it's the.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Video of them, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
So, But and then like it's also those things like
I've seen that before. I've I don't want to docks myself,
but it's just like I've I've been to lakes and
I watch like I'll just watch people just snatch and poach,
and I'm just like, well, if by the time that
I called them the cops, they're they're gone. It doesn't
even matter at that point. Also, I've tried to call

(41:45):
it in before and they're just like, we don't have
time and resources for this. Someone just got stabbed. We're
not gonna worry about some ducks getting snatched out of
your pond, dude. So and then like that also goes
like how much of this is being unreported because these
locals have been called and get in, nothing gets done,
and now they're just watching it happen every day. They
complain on the internet, they get told they're a lying racist,

(42:06):
and it's like, okay, cool, where's the truth in all this?
That's my problem, Like I just wish we could find out,
like what is happening, how much this is happening, and
then we could be rational about it. But now it's like, no,
it's all fake narrative.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
It's it's it's a mess. Because so I'll tell I
don't really believe that Haitians are in mass snatching people's
pets and eating them. If you put ten thousand people
in a city and you told me that a couple
of Haitians did that or worse crimes, not surprising. It's
a large numbers problem with any population, but you run
into a problem of the city. I think they and
the debate it was the city manager and the police

(42:40):
also said that they didn't have many or any reports
of such things. But you have individual people saying it
and people on Reddit and pictures. But people can lie
like people, and they will lie. Ever just because through
their side, like I bet you dollars to donuts in
the next two weeks, the reports of missing pets and
animal So what's going on skyrock like at ten thousand

(43:02):
percent in Springfield is people want to sort of support
their candidate, whether that be true or not.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
But what if it is all going up because people
are like, oh, I lost my cat two months ago,
maybe that was why, and now I'm going to report it.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
You know, if it's a problem, I would hope I'm
a pet owner, I care about my pets. I would
hope that enough people report it if it's a real problem,
that the police do something or at least investigate so
we get a real, more tangible thing to hold on to.
Then they're eating the cats.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, I think another problem is and also you're going
to get more people because now people they have their
phones out, they're ready. They see like some dude walking
up to a duck, or they see some dude walking
up to a stray dog. They're like, I've got the proof.
Now I'm going to take a video of this, so
I could be a report coming up. Because like I said,
I've seen poaching. I never pulled out my phone and went, oh,
I've got him on video. He's going to jail. Now.
I'm just like, there it goes again, but it's undocumented

(43:56):
even though it's happening, and that now it's like, oh
wait a second, Now that has attention. Who knows what's
going to happen. Who knows how much truth or fiction
is going to come out of it.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
And that's the exact point is like everything that's said
right now is meant to fit a narrative. We could
sit here and none of this could be true at all.
They couldn't They maybe didn't even bust in twenty thousand
illegals or twenty thousand people at all that later happened
and it's just bullshit, or you know, all of this
could be happening, worse is happening, but it's not talked

(44:29):
about at all because you know, it doesn't fit the
left narrative. And it's just like, guys, once again, can
we at least go back to a place where we
can trust the people instead of everything being sensationalized.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Do you guys remember the Chaz in a Seattle. Yeah,
so I was talking to a friend of mine. I'm
in Texas. Every friend I have his conservative and he
was telling me about like Antifa captured five city blocks
of Seattle, that's shut it down, and the Chaz and
all this. I laughed. They were confused. I have a
friend of mine lives in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I live Seattle, and you do.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Okay, cool, so you might be more familiar with this
chas not. I'm not going to say it's a perfect thing.
But she went there and they were like selling forty
five dollars down with capitalism t shirts, and at least
during the daytime, it was very boring and mild, like
a street festival. I did understand that days later criminals
realized there were no police in those areas and did

(45:28):
God only fucking knows what. But it was pitched as
like a militant invasion of Seattle and they've illegally formed
a new nation and set up checkpoints and shit like that.
And it was mostly like what I assume from my
limited time visiting Seattle, just a bigger version of your
standard hippie dippy protests that go on there all the time.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
It was it was that until the gang leaders came
in and wait, wait a second, this is free real estate.
And then they then there's pictures of them with guns,
like if you don't like, if you're here to cause
trouble in our society, you're not allowed in. So they
really took it over, and there was a police station
across the street from the park that just got completely
boarded up and shut down. And I don't remember if

(46:10):
it was Seattle or Portland, but at some point they
broke into a police station and took some guns from
it too.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I think that was Portland. I'm really sortland the memory here,
but I do think that one in particular was Portland.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
And I don't know if that also happened for Chaz,
but yeah. But the thing is like it started off
as like a hippie fest and then quickly got crazy,
and then that's when the police are like, okay, let's
let's clean this up. There's also some hilarious things from it,
like when they were like, we have our community garden
and it's a kiddie pool with like three dead tomato fests.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
That was a great one. But the point is that
through the media lens, my friends genuinely believed that an
organized Antifa army all in black marched into Seattle and
locked down a chunk of the city, and that was
just the whole deal they were.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
It was locked down to a degree, like but it
was like a foreign invasion, hadn't you know, No, they
had autonomy over it and wasn't like a great place
because again, like they have no idea how to run
any kind of society.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
And that's like similar shitty things happened in New York too.
I remember at the beginning of COVID, they were sending
people randomly down to the city and stuff to obviously
fight against the back the blue people and everything else,
and they were fighting against that. Some chick from up
here she threw molotov cocktails at cop cars and everything

(47:32):
else and was arrested for it. One of the few
people that were actually arrested. Because right before COVID started,
they removed all bail, so instead of you know, actually
being arrested and held if you couldn't pay bail, they
removed the bail system completely. So wait as soon as
you were arraigned and charged with something, you were released

(47:53):
to go. There was like you waited outside of jail.
There was no jail holding cells or anything like that.
Left out system backed up or did something else. I
don't everything murders, rapists, everything, They let them fucking go.
There was video evidence of a convenience store in the

(48:13):
city being ransacked and the uh store clerk was shot
on camera. They were arrested and let go the same day.
They convicted or one of them was convicted of rape
the next day because he was let go of the
murder charge and got a rape charge the next day.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
District attorneys doing some weird shit in certain places.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
The entire states like that. They don't they don't press
charges at all. If it's under a thousand dollars worth
of theft. Now, they just let them fucking go, and
all of the crimes just increasing. It's sad.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Do you remember this is a story? Uh, there was
a it was sort of a store clerk in New York.
I think he was an older Muslim guy and he
didn't even have a gun. He had like a big knife.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Some gang members, it was only like one or two
of them tried to rob the store. They came around.
It's all on video. They have like a gun in
the guy's face. I'm gonna kill you. Give me the
It's a violent takeover of the store. Not even a
regular RoboCop stick them up. Old guy pulls a knife,
stabs the robber in the fucking throat, and pulls it out.
He's bled out and dead in thirty seconds or less.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I didn't see that well. I thought you were talking
about the one where he kid got stabbed in the back.
He's like, I'm dying, I'm dying. I'm dying.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
The old guy stabbed this dude, much younger, starter guy
in the neck, and I think what really fucked him
was when he pulled it out, pulled it down. Yeah,
the store clerk with a gun to his head, guy
screaming I'm going to kill you, defended himself without a
gun with a knife, got arrested, sent to Riker's Island,
and was immediately charged with It wasn't first degree, but

(49:46):
it was a lesser degree of murder or manslaughter. And
the only reason that he did not go to a
jail or have to at least go to trial for
this was that his one of his kids released the
video to the media and New Yorker's a fucking pissed
off about it, and they put enough pressure.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I wanted to go back to Chaz real quick, because,
like also living in Seattle, I lived on Capitol Hill,
and I live downtown, I'd like, oh, Capitol Hill, That's
what I mean. So it's like that's a funny thing
where it's like you could say all the things about
Capitol Hill about Chaz, just regardless if Chaz is set
up or not, like and and I love going through
like the Seattle Reddit and the Capitol Hill Reddit and

(50:26):
just kind of seeing what crime is going on. Because
there's a McDonald's on Third and Pine, like third Street
that that's stabby. You don't want to go to Stabby,
and the McDonald's is called Mcstabby's because people are always
getting like killed and stabbed, and there was a shooting
outside of it, so now like you're not allowed to
go into the dining area of this McDonald's because there's
just so much crime everywhere and the employees got fed

(50:48):
up with it. So that's what I was thinking about
that where it's like, yeah, Seattle's gotten really rough. And
then cal Anderson that's the park that got taken over.
You don't want to be there past six pm on
any day, regardless of Chaz is operating or not. So
I think that's also where it just kind of gets
charged with, like, yeah, that city's kind of already lost
and has its own weirdness and like a lot of

(51:09):
very bad pockets. So just kind of like got centralized,
and everyone's like, let's just let's just funnel and condense
all the problems of Seattle right here, but also all
the good where it's like it's pretty much Pike's place
in the day.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yeah, I visited Seattle not long ago, really enjoyed the city,
great place to live, I had the My biggest problem
with Seattle was the it wasn't as bad as La
but a near overwhelming amount of homeless people. Now, yeah
I got I got relatives and inlaws that have been homeless. Yeah,

(51:41):
smell like this. You're not kidding, So I get it.
It's not I'm not trying to disparage people that are
having a hard time. But we're not talking about like
the TV bums that are shaking the cup to ask
for coins. We're talking about a guy having a full
psychotic break arguing with the lampposts and you're wearing the
wrong color shirt and he just chases you down with
a broken bottle for fucking reason's. Yeah, that's kind of homeless.

(52:03):
I cannot deal with.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
The weird thing is I've lived in out here since
twenty eleven. I've been like going, like I moved to Everett,
which is north when I in like twenty eleven when
I first came down, but I went to the city
like once a month because I was just like, Wow,
I'm on my own living for the first time. I'm
going to see the city and do all these things.
And it used to be like performer homeless. They used
to have like a little name badge and everything because
they would get the permission to panhandle and you had

(52:26):
like really cool panhandlers around Seattle. And then like over
time it just got like more and more crazy people
homeless and yeah, and and uh, there's a great documentary
called Seattle Is Dying if you've ever seen that, that's
that's one to watch where it just kind of like
shows like all the police are like, yeah, this is Bob,
and he's like screaming in a trash can about how

(52:47):
he's like Jesus or something. It's like we've arrested him
twenty three times today or not today, but like twenty
three times this year, and we just keep putting him
out there and he just this little rascal keeps causing
problems for everyone, and then the talk yeah, that's that's
really how it is, and that's kind of thing where
just like way too much heroin, way too many, way

(53:07):
too many drug problems. And then they're not none of
these people are getting help. They're getting arrested and put
back on the street after a week, and like that's
the problem we need to deal with, that's where our
money needs to go. And then instead, no, it's it's
it's a microaggression to clean up poop off the sidewalks,
so you can't prosecute any of these down bad people,

(53:28):
and then nothing gets done and everyone.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
If you think about it like a dollar amount spent
or impact on the city, if you really prosecuted all
the homeless people and threw them in jail for shitting
in the streets, you would waste an outrageous amount of resources.
The jails would be full, and then new homeless people
would just show up and go back to shitting on
the streets. It's like that woman this was here in Texas.
She posted on the Austin subreddit saying I think she

(53:51):
was a very progressive type, very bleeding heart love homeless people.
And she said every time I step in human poop,
I lose just a little bit more empathy. And she
got ragged like that was the worst thing ever. Like
I personally, I have very little patients for stepping in
in waste of any kind, much less human m.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
And then also with the Seattle is dying, they were
talking about like violent crimes, like oh, this dude broke
into some chick's house and essayed her and then was
back on the streets doing it again at some point
like see, like we also need to deal with the
violent crime, but none of the crime is being dealt with,
and something came out we're like twenty five percent vacancy
of offices in downtown Seattle now and yeah, super unsafe.

(54:34):
No one wants to deal with it. So I think,
like you also lose mind, Like you need to put
in money to get these people off, even though it
could be a waste, But then that comes back into
the actual like tourism and just the city generating money,
So it seems complicated.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
It makes me genuinely wonder if not only is their
drug problems, which everybody kind of can put the pieces together,
but obviously the other kind of peoples that we put
in asylums were people that were struggling mental illness and intelligence.
Like you see all these videos and stuff of these
people just literally being human zombies. And it's not like,

(55:09):
you know, these people are grasping at straws and you know,
changing their entire life after this, they're probably going to die.
So at what point are we, you know, being not
human not empathetic by putting all these people out on
the streets and everything else. Like I've been homeless, so
I grasp it, like I understand, I understand it so

(55:30):
entirely to a level of like, Okay, at some point
these people know that they need help or that they
need to do something to get help. Okay, so why
are they not getting help?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
They just getting fat back out.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
It's like it's like the if you look at the
prison population, uh, and if you just started surveying prisoners,
you would find on average much lower IQ and on
average much greater incidents of all mental health problems across
the board. So it's not to excuse their crime, but
some of them are driven by mental health problems that
if caught and treated earlier, would have been better. But

(56:06):
there's also prisoners and homeless people whose brains are so
fucked from drugs who maybe never gave a fuck, maybe
they were born slightly psychopathic or missing some kind of
cognitive up here, that there's really no saving them. And
the humane thing to do is that, ah, this sounds
so shitty, me institutionalized, padded room, a little chill guard

(56:28):
somewhere away from me so that I don't get stabbed.
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Lefty said something on pKa back in the day. He's like,
my dad would take me into the inner bits of
Chicago and I always wanted to give homeless people ten
dollars or make sure they had something to eat, and
he spun me around and said, no, those are fucking bums.
They choose to be there where they have severe problems,

(56:55):
and your ten dollars is going to hurt them more
than you'll ever realize. Stop paying into it, because not
only are you enabling them, you're not showing them empathy.
You're hurting them. They're fucking bumps. They're there for a reason,
and it's hard. It's so hard to fully grasp that
a lot of people genuinely don't have empathy, that their

(57:18):
empathy is I just want to be a good person.
Heard there or let me change what pronouns are in
my bio so way everybody feels supported instead of actually
realizing what the fuck we're all doing, the more convoluted
and complicated we make life, instead of understanding what the
basis of this is, we're becoming just as bad as
they are. We're allowing the world to become more complex.

(57:42):
And what it really is saying that somebody's a bum
and you know, probably needs to be institutionalized, is what's
best for them, not what's just best for us.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Well, it kind of also benefits everyone because then the
crime goes down and all these other things. But also
with like giving people money. Yeah, when I was in
downtown Seattle'm like, I'm baller YouTube guy, I'm gonna help everyone.
Look at you like you seem just like you've had
a bad time. You really try, and I'm gonna buy
you a Chipotle and at least you get to eat tonight.

(58:13):
Maybe that makes you a little better. Dude, spent like
twenty five dollars, got sides of everything, got like the
most overstuffed a burrito and then a burrito bull just
took my kindness for a run, and then I just
see him there months later, doesn't even acknowledge me completely
forgot I helped him out because I also you want
street cred, Like you need to be friend with bums

(58:35):
in Seattle because that way you're not gonna get stabbed.
Like legit im you seem like that a crow tip.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Yeah, when I traveled to la or Seattle. Of course,
since I'm in Texas. First thing, I do dispensary way
more weed than I can ever smoke on the time
on my trip, I give drugs to homeless people. I
just give him like the cheap little like pre roll
joints I got for freebies. Never had a complaint.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Yeah, Also, like you kind of have to look like
you are also looking for trouble. I have my trip pants,
so I just look like some tweaking raver When I'm
just like wandering the streets of Seattle at ten pm,
no one fucks with me. You know, you kind of
have to, like you can't look vulnerable anywhere. It is
like a good tip for life. But also when it
comes like befriending homeless people, I also like met some

(59:20):
really cool people. We're like, oh, these guys seem kind
of down, and one of the guy's names. His name
was Wolf, and he's like, yeah, found a new squat.
You know, we're just in some abandoned house, because that's
like another big thing is uh, squatter's rights out in
Seattle are ridiculous. So he knew all the loopholes, he
knew all the things. He knew how to just like
always have a place to live. And he was always

(59:43):
like in a couple of areas. So when I saw him,
I'm like, Okay, I'm safe because if shit goes down,
he's gonna jump the guy that's jumping me kind of thing.
I'd get him some snacks every once in a while,
and he was like a cool dude. He was intelligent,
but he just loved his drugs and he loved his
like not having to worry about rent and taking over
people's places. And then he got his throat slashed in
the middle of a alleyway somewhere, and then I heard

(01:00:04):
from his girlfriend, like, yep, he died. What a fucking life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
It's awful.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
I'm sorry to hear that about your homeless friend.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
He was actually my homeless friend. Yeah, And that's that's
just that's just kind of the weird adventures you have
in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
That was on Capitol and Seattle sound awful, and you
lived there better than me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
I had a great time. There's so many good things
about that city that I enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Oh that's why I'm still living in the area. Yeah,
I live in I love the promise.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I was in like Bellevue and like doing touristy stuff.
So oh yeah, I did go to Capitol Hill daytime
and once at night so my friends wanted to go out.
I mostly had a good time in Seattle, really enjoyed it.
You complained about homeless people and houses. The one that
actually bothered me, even as a big pothead, you cannot

(01:00:53):
escape the smell of marijuana. Marijuana is I love the drug.
I love edibles and all that, and I'll smoke at
home sometimes. I do not like going out and just
constantly breathing. Everybody else is shitty stoke weed all over
the city.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
The whole city is pissing marijuana. And that's the thing. Like,
I love the promise of Seattle because so I moved
out here in twenty eleven. You know, you have that
owl City song, Hello Seattle, and you're just like, yeah,
this is a crispy air wonderful place where everyone's vibing
in their own way and everyone's nice and stuff, and

(01:01:26):
then it's just it became something else. And I still
just like the environment I grew up in Florida. I
never want to see the sun again. I love this
cool air. I love everyone just kind of doing their
own thing. And I want Seattle to be better because
there was a vibe here even under all the crap.
There's a good vibe here, but the rest of it's
just awful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Seattle was one of my dream locations to live for
such a long time until pretty much I talked to
you about it because I was like, I love I
love that weather of just like rainy and calm and
fifty five sixty all year round and you don't really
have to deal with any problems. I love the idea of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
That, until you like, also you need to breathe the
air out here drifter or how crispy was the air
out here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Especially when I went down. I couldn't go to the beach,
but just out where the you could see open water.
There was some park. They had stone picnic tape, but
tables I was able to sit and eat. It was
lovely because none of the city, smell blows in, it's all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
The Yeah, when you're outside the grime, it's like, oh fuck,
this place is great.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
What's the name of the park. It's like right by
this you can see the space Needle and they have
this area set up where they're always doing concerts. Like
Churches was there, and I didn't want to pay money
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So I remember the name of the park, but yeah,
we're behind.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
The it's the one that with a big water fountain thing.
But so instead of paying for the concert, I could
just walk behind it in the park, see the entire
backstage production, smoke my weed in the park while a
cop is watching, and listen to a free concert. Great experience.
There are really good things about Seattle. My wife wanted
to move there for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I remember when I went down to New York City
a couple months ago. That was the most intoxic I
felt towards a location that I've actually been in in
the moment where I'm like, i could live here for
forever and be completely content and okay, like I have
zero fear of the gang violence or anything like that
because I've dealt with it as a child and everything else.

(01:03:17):
That shit doesn't scare me. I've never felt so calm
before in my Like the lights and the sound and
the music and that everything is going always gave my
ADHD such a level of calm that I've never thoroughly
grasped or realized until that day, because it was just like, Oh,
I'm so like, I was calm. I My head wasn't

(01:03:39):
even on a swivel. I wasn't paying attention to the
people that were walking behind me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
I was just I've never been like that. No matter
where I've been, I'm always like on alert.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Normally I am here trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Normally I am too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, well not even like trauma. I grew up in Miami,
and it's like, that's how you That's how I lived.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Oh Miami, No, that's I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
We were one block from the other side of the tracks.
That's where our house was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
I feel you. So that's slightly different reasons. I'm kind
of the same, always head on a swevel, And we
can maybe take this away from Seattle and homeless people
in a different direction. I want to get your guys'
opinion on this. So I have been told by people
in my life that evaluating people and pulling demographic data

(01:04:26):
out of them just by looking at them is a
form of any kind of ism, sexism, transphobia, something like that,
because I've had people tell me that when say, men
wear women's clothing, that they can't tell the difference or
they get fooled all the time. And I'm not saying
I have the world's best gatar or that it's you know,
I'm one hundred percent right, But most of the time,

(01:04:48):
when I meet a person and you know their trans
I can tell in a quarter of a second just
based on face structure, bones, how their body looks, you know,
maybe visible scars, other things. And I've been told that
that's very sexist, and also been told that a number
of people don't do that at A friend of mine
tell me that just the shoes people wear will confuse
their perception of that person's maybe not gender but biological sex.

(01:05:13):
And I have I grew up pretty rough lot of ways.
So one of my survival techniques is when I meet
a new person out in public, I almost always size
them up very quickly. How old are they, how strong
are they? Do they have any limps? Do they move fast?
Visible scars, visible tattoos, gender likely, weight, likely mobility, just

(01:05:34):
a little just suck it in real fast to like
evaluate them as a person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Three things really really quickly, and it will be a
very very good assumption of how that interaction is going
to go. And it's a very very easy thing. Hands, feet, ice,
what are they looking at? Where are they? Where are
they looking at me? Because if they're looking at my hands,
feet and eyes, I know that they came from like
the ghetto of like understanding. If your shoes are clean,

(01:05:59):
you're not going to do something stupid, you have respect
for yourself at least at that point in time. Or
you know they're a clean person. You look at their
eyes because it will give you their facial structure. You'll
understand if they're a good person by how clean their faces,
If they're tired, if they're going to be grumpy. You
know what they're paying attention to with you or your
significant other or anything around you. And the biggest thing

(01:06:22):
to me is their hands. When I meet somebody, I
will make sure that my hands are always seen, My
hands are always in front of me, moving doing something,
because the second you don't see my hands, it will
be the second that you feel uncomfortable. It will be
the first thing, like if I met you drifter in
real life, first thing, I would shake your hand, not
only out of respect, because it's a respect thing too,

(01:06:43):
but then you know my hands are okay. I'm not
going to go stabby, stabby, stabby or shoot you because
you can see my hands. And this is the biggest
example of this, and this is the easiest thing to
point to. I was in a local grocery store parking
lot with my ex wife, my wife at the time,
and we got blocked in by two cars and there
was a car space that was probably half of the

(01:07:06):
size too small because the asshole that was parked on
one side of it was in a Jaguar and kind
of just overstepped the parking lot a little too much.
It was like on the line, not across the line,
but on it, and we got boxed in, so we
had to pull into the parking space because both of
them were honking their horn, the car behind us and
the car in front of us that were facing us,

(01:07:27):
they weren't moving, so my wife had a panic attack
and decided to pull into the parking space next to
the Jaguar. We were in a Nissan Morano at the time,
and if you know, a morano. They're kind of wide
a SUVs. She pulls into the parking lot, the parking space,
and as she goes into the parking space, she essentially
drove over the entire rear corner of the fucking jag.

(01:07:50):
And I'm like, fuck, just fuck, because i live in
a shitty fucking town with like twenty five thousand pe
people in our county. Half of it's black, like, half
of it's some level of mixed. There's a lot of
gang activity and a lot of violence. We are number
five in all of the counties for violence in New

(01:08:14):
York State, the first four New York City.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
So it's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
No, I'm like, sit here, I'll deal with this. She's
pregnant at the time, having a fucking panic attack, bawling
her fucking eyes out. These people run out of the
pizza place and the dude's hands were in his fucking pants,
and I'm like, fuck this, this is not going to
end well. I'm either going to end up shot stabbed

(01:08:41):
or end up having to hurt somebody very fucking badly,
because I'm not gonna let her fucking deal with this shit.
It's not her job to fucking deal with this, she's
breaking the fuck down and having a BPD fucking moment
because she can't fucking handle it. Dude runs up to
me and starts talking to me, and I watched his
wife walk over to my wife store and starts talking
to her. I'm like, this is going to end that

(01:09:07):
because this dude is like elbow deep in his fucking pants.
I know for damn sure he has his hand on
a knife for a gun. Like, let's just be honest.
You walk up to somebody with your hand and your
elbow is at dick height, you're grabbing something and you're
not grabbing your dick.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
We all know that you're not rage phone or you're
just jerking it while you go in with the other hand.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I'm like, dude, dude, first off, sorry, she's a fucking idiot.
She had a panic attack and ran over your fucking car.
That's on her. Let's be honest, I know that's exactly
where this goes. Do you need me to call the cops.
I'll call the cops, will handle this with insurance, everything
will be taken care of, like first hand. Yes, I'm sorry,

(01:09:50):
I apologize, like give up the standard of I am
right because I'm not right in this situation. I need
to apologize and fix this before I turn into a
fucking pin cushion. I don't want to be a fucking pincushion.
I don't have piercings for a reason. And within ten
minutes I had him completely disarmed. He was showing me
his hands. He was calm and level headed. He's like, man,

(01:10:12):
I own a car detailing shop, I own a body shop.
I'll have my car handled. Do you want your car
handled and taking care of because I'll take care of
it right now, just by being open, honest and like
apologizing and putting that foot forward of like I will
do this fucking legally, and I will fuck myself right
now in front of you, because you know I understand
that's my job too. She fucked up, let me handle

(01:10:32):
the situation, and it turned into no, I'm sorry. I
got five phone calls from that guy apologizing, asking me
if he could fix the marano.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Well, you treated him with respect, which I am assuming
in the area is an uncommon response. He probably had
his hands in his pants because he was expecting you
to start shit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Why did you go on the line if you weren't
on the line this wouldn't have happened, and now now
we got a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
On public freak out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Yeah no, the way you said like one thousand dollars
guard like you have every right to go stavvy stab
stab stab. I understand it. I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, and drifter, you said you have like a checklist
of things you look at people. Mine isn't that intensive,
but it is like the first thing I look at
his face for like demeanors, like is this dude looking
for trouble? Because you can see if someone's looking for trouble.
I'm now going to adopt Zach's thing about the shoes though,
because I never thought, like, oh yeah, clean shoes. At
least this dude's respectable kind of thing. But he has
like face and hands, like demeanor posture, try try to

(01:11:32):
get like some feral shit out of them. It's like,
all right, let's let's see how this guy's going. And
then when it comes to other appearances, I'm a single
guy in Seattle, I have to have pretty tuned radar
for certain things. And that's kind of like I think
I'm pretty good at figuring out who's what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
But apparently and I brought this up, I guess we
all have some degree of trauma that forces this. People
without trauma or without this habit don't do any of
that at all, not even the first step, and they
it's probably more relevance this we're mostly talking politics today. Genuinely,
their first impressions about a person's sex, gender orientation, everything

(01:12:15):
is their clothing and not how the person looks. And
that's completely backwards to the to the train that I'm on,
and it kind of puts me in an odd spot.
Sometimes I've been told that that's wrong to do, and
I disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
My girl, I think it's confused by it. We had
this conversation literally just the other day. I didn't mean
to step on you. I apologize. I'll stop talking in
a second. We literally just had this conversation the other day.
She's like, why do you pay attention to so many things?
I said, you don't know the half of it. Every
single person that walks past you. If I feel like
they are slightly different, not color, not race, not gender,

(01:12:52):
just a problem in some way that I feel like
it could be a problem. I move you, I move
my daughter. I make sure that you guys are out
of the way, even if it means put you by
the road. You will be moved without you even realizing it.
Your purse will then be put on the other side
of you. I will move you out of the way
that way. I am the first person that is pushed

(01:13:12):
into the situation. If there is something within seconds and
you won't even pick it up, you won't realize it.
It will be done intentionally without you even realizing. And
she's like, fuck, I'm gonna pay more attention to that.
It's like, it's not it's not a big deal. It's
what a guy does. It's what a guy's supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Yeah, that's like ultimate dad protective mode. But I was
gonna say, is like, and the weird thing is you
find it on both sides in different ways, because it's like, oh,
the privileged city folk don't understand what it's like to
live out in the country or have any rural experience.
That's why they want to ban a thirty round magazine
against all the wild hogs, and they can't even like
grasp some kind of anecdote about a thing. But also

(01:13:49):
at the same time, like the humble city folk doesn't
know like how someone's going to try to con them
or what a suspicious gangbanger looks like so like you know,
it's also universal on how you'll find someone just like yeah,
this person they were just rich and they don't know
like how how gritty life can be and the other
person's too simple and humble and then like you just

(01:14:09):
find it where like oh, no one or not no one.
But like a lot of people, since they don't have
the trauma, it's different from them. They don't know what
to look for and what to find.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
It's nice. Honestly, that sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Like a much until you just get robbed or scammed.
Well yeah, the side, Well then you get the trauma
and now you're just like fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
It's shitty, and you see with the doctor disrespects shit too.
And I know that's a weird segue, but honestly, like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
That was the topic. I'm like that, that's a fourced segue.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
But you have a list of topics here we talked
about and then nothing else on the list for politics.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
I love having you on for that exact reason because.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Let's see how you swing this one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Zach.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Make me a believer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
My job or Verless's job to come up with topics.
You'll bring up ship that completely connect dot to dot
to dot, and it feels so smooth to just go
through the conversation, makes everything so much nicer. But the
trauma that I dealt with as a kid makes me
understand and see exactly what the problems are with the
doctor disrespect shit. And I know people like what you

(01:15:17):
are super super exaggerative about what the hell they're saying
on it and stuff like that, of like, fuck doctor disrespect,
But he's not wrong, and the reason he's not wrong
are things that people are missing entirely in this situation,
and it's going to be the thing that hangs him
as a whole. It will be the things that hang
doctor disrespect every single fucking time. And it's frustrating. It

(01:15:40):
makes me want to bang my fucking head on the
keyboard because zero people have empathy because they're like, prove it. Okay,
first off, yeah, can't prove a negative. If he doesn't
want to leak the whispers or the dms, then guess
what there's a problem in them. Let's just be honest
about this. And first off, his his entire quote of

(01:16:02):
uh blah blah blah blah blah, miners blah blah blah blah, blah. Oh,
I put that in their own purpose. Jams, I put
that on their own purpose. Jams. So away all of
these shitty journalists who want to sensationalize everything. Yes, they
want to sensationalize everything. But if you weren't guilty, you
wouldn't have put fucking miners in your fucking thing. You
would have called out the fucking age. If you said, oh,

(01:16:23):
this wasn't a problem at all, I was talking to
a seventeen year old girl. Blah blahlah blah blah. Number one,
you never set a gender, so as a whole, you're
uncomfortable with whatever you did. Number two, you didn't say
an age, which means it is not socially acceptable by
at least fifty percent of your fans, which means you
actually did something wrong, because if you were ballsy enough

(01:16:46):
to say some big, drawn out thing, you would have
defended yourself or been completely vulnerably open. And if you're
not completely vulnerably open or defending yourself, you fucking did
it in fifty percent of people at minimum would not
have accepted it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
You're not ready. I'm not ready, watch.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Kidding me, watch this. You would have said the age,
you would have said the gender you would have said
what you said? You said, Oh this the legal documentation
of sexting was not found, motherfucker. The legal documentation is
not what you are being grilled on or looking on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Said he said, like the age was legal. It's like, well,
there's a couple of states out here, we're sixteen, seventeen's legal.
So I think that's the thing that like how much
of a technicality do you play by? And how much
do you condemn doctor disrespect for following the law at
the right time?

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
First try right here?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Are you ready? Is that what you want?

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
What dome is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Where the discussion goes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I totally my brain farted right there. One more time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Uh, how much do you condemn doctor disrespect for being
like for following the law, for being legal, because like, yeah,
now in modern times, like everyone's a creep if it's
anything under eighteen, grooming is more established. We understand development
a lot more, even though it's like, oh, but if
they're legal, and the things I think there's even a
couple of states are seventeen, so it's like he could
have been sex.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
But until recently fifteen well yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
I mean there's also some there's more sixteen seven, but
I mean like it could be seventeen. It could just
be like he was sexty. A seventeen year old could
be sixteen, because that's also legal in some places. We're
we're not getting those numbers. So it is one of
those things where it's like, technically it was by the book,
but everyone else is like, well, now we know that's
like super duper creep cancelabullshit, even though it's legal. So
I think that's like where the technicality comes in. And

(01:18:41):
the doc is forty. I'm not trying to like defend
him and make excuses. The doc is forty. He's old.
So like that's in the nineties where it was more
acceptable for older people like hit on or find high
school women attractive. Right, Like there was much less like
all those old movies or like a Dazed and Confused even.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Older John Carpenter's The fog Old Scary Movie. It's like
a forty five year old man picks up sixteen year
old hitchhiking Jamie Lee Curtis and then they fuck and
go on an adventure, and that's normal in nineteen eight.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, and yeah, with the dock being forty, that means
he was also like growing up coming into adulthood in
the nineties where we cared less about that kind of
stuff and days and confused. You know, That's why I
love about high school girls. I get older, they stay
the same age. Everyone loved that line back in the day.
That's like, that's like the dad line of like, yeah, whoo,
they're pretty. It's like talking about fifteen year old and

(01:19:34):
you got kids or your twenties, and no one had
a problem with it. So that's like, that's why we
have these weird legal lines for like sixteen seventeen and stuff,
and it's still wrong. Like that's why I'm saying. I'm
not trying to defend the DOC, but it's like the
culture and the legality and the technicality, Like how where
do we condemn doc on this one? Is it a
one hundred percent gone or is it legal? You're creep,

(01:19:58):
but you don't deserve to lose everything for this private
DM that got out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
I think the morality is where I struggle, and Drifter
probably does too. I'm not trying to the same things
I know, but morality, man, is where this gets grimy
and gross. Like I was married, he was cheating on
his wife at the same time these text messages happened.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Yeah, that whole twitch con tobaccle or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
He was sexting with a transsexual prostitute or streamer or
whatever at the same exact time. And if I use
terms wrong, I don't care. I'm telling a story regardless.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
I don't even think it matters that they're trands as
much as it was somebody that was not his wife.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
No, why I'm saying that it might matter is he
didn't say the sex. There's there's a questionability, a morality
problem within him even.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Well, you could also just be talking to boys. Yeah,
that's my point, is like, but allegedly the doc, Like
I said, I'm not trying to hate on you, but
it could.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Be the moral gray area of Oh, those girls are seventeen,
and you know, if they stay the same age and
I get older, blah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Blah, she's coming up, right, I've heard some creepy stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Girls that he's looking at. It is, then everybody is
a question. And if he felt confident enough to say
that it was a female, then he's praying on an
innocent female, which then is undefensible obviously, But he's being
transparent he's hiding who that is. Regardless. He didn't say
it was a male, he didn't say it was a female,

(01:21:39):
he didn't say it was trans. Because it's bad.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Yeah, got to give an example of somebody I think
that handled this right. And I hope I'm not defending
a horrible predator because I wasn't there when this happened.
There's a band called a Tubbleware Rat Party by Danavidian
who used to do Game Grumps. It's like sort of
like eighty cynhi pop music that he makes, very popular,
lots of animated stuff, game Grumps, G four TV, very

(01:22:05):
and the guy is I think openly like nymphomaniac, like hypersexual.
He has problems with himself. He was accused, initially quite
credibly of sleeping with a minor at one of his
rat parties, and he didn't say anything at first, and
then a couple of weeks later came out I believe
with texts and evidence and a story that well, I

(01:22:27):
met this person at a party when they were seventeen
and they were interested in me, and I think he
said something like we flirted. I found out they were seventeen.
I noped right the fuck out of there, and then
I saw them again at a party five years later
when they were twenty two, and it was the same thing.
And it's like, well, there's a big difference between seventeen
and twenty two. I don't see the problem here anymore.

(01:22:49):
But the person that made the claim that he was
being now he was like thirty something at the time,
so there's still a big age gap, but a much
less problematic one. But the person that made the claim
at the time was that he slept with her when
she was a minor, which was not true. And Danavidian
came out with facts and details and specifics and dates
and what he believes about things, and it was very,

(01:23:09):
very different than doctor disrespects shockingly vague response to me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Like, if you're innocent, you can you can be a
lot more stern about it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
That's a police thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
The vagueness as a whole to me. And this might be,
you know, the legal LEAs in the situation, might be
putting this behind closed doors almost so I understand where
I could be wrong. But if you're in an uncomfortable situation,
you do not get to give your self comfort. You
give yourself comfort by being vulnerable, open and bleed on

(01:23:43):
the fucking table, because that's what you deserve. You put
yourself in a situation that is at minimum morally gray,
you give up everything of your comfort to fix the problem.
If you are in the right, If you're in the right,
you give everything because you want to be validated on
doing the right thing, whether it's mortally gray or not.
You give up your confidence, your control, your comfort because

(01:24:05):
that's what you deserve. You are in a shitty situation,
let yourself bleed on the table and be as plainly
and vocally honest as you possibly can be. That's why
that vagueness bothers me so much.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
And that's what most people do. I was about to say,
it's a police interrogation heuristic. When you're interrogating a suspect,
innocent people tend to talk a lot, and they offer
a lot of details, and they'll confess to small crimes
that aren't even really related to whatever the hell's going on,
and they'll keep talking. And I had this sandwich and
did that, and I think it was about five minutes,
but I could be wrong. Whereas if you interrogate a

(01:24:43):
suspect who is would ultimately be proven guilty, even if
they're talking a lot, there's a lot less specificity in
their answers. They're sort of they'll they'll talk a lot
around you and not offer that sort of openness and
bleeding and come look right through me than an innocent
person most likely you would do. It's not one hundred percent,
but it's a little.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
More like kind of like Doc more morally guilty seeming
from his actions, which does make sense. I think that.
I think the big debate is like, at what point
is it cancelable and you should lose everything? Is it
any interaction inappropriate with a seventeen year old, regardless of
your age, regardless of that that's grooming, that's bad, it's

(01:25:24):
a minor legal age, doesn't matter, you're gone forever or
do we find wiggle room. But then like that's also condemning.
If it's like, shouldn't lose everything, I'm not saying this
as like my statements like you say, should lose everything.
Now I'm canceled for saying that. So, like, I think
we've also made it to where this is impossible to
talk about in the court of public opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Any private communication between anybody over the age of eighteen
and anybody under the age of eighteen causes a problem
for concern. That cause of concern causes the entire thing
to be disconnected, and a problem where you want to
actually draw a line and say, hey, this is why
this isn't okay, And thats who means the line no
public communication at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Like you, that's what YouTubers have to adopt. Yeah, that's
where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Like if Minecraft YouTubers, if we're on disporder whatever, and
a seventeen year old Hobson, I'm going to fill as
many people into that conversation as possible. I do not
want any private communication at all. I will not be
looked at in that way at all. And if everybody
feels uncomfortable, you get the fuck out. Until you're eighteen,

(01:26:30):
there is no conversations at all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
When things start going sideways, you just got a nope out.
You can't be there for that. You know. I've done
YouTube for a long time. I've talked to a lot
of people that are minors, be a DM and stuff
like that. Even that can be horribly out of context.
I don't even know how what age people are when
they message me. But if I get that's what it's
that they're younger, I'm even more deliberate and short with
answers because I know that if I fuck up, it

(01:26:55):
could be taken out of context exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
And that's where I'm at, where it's just like, you're
a Twitter says a seventeen When was the last time
you updated that? It's like, now I'm still seventeen. It's
like not talking to you then, like and even as
a fan, not not in any romantic way. It's like,
I'm just going to avoid engagement with this person even
when they become like, you know, an adult, and I'm
just like, this dude's a weirdo that kind of like

(01:27:19):
contacted me when he was a minor, and I don't
like that, So I'm still going to kind of avoid them. Sorry,
dude like that. That's That's just how you have to
be about it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
I'm totally on board with canceling DOC. I don't think
there's a cancel council. That's culture has to do that,
and I understanding didn't what was this He had two
hundred and thirty thousand people watching when he come back
on his comeback stream. I think a lot of people
don't give a fuck about that. Unfortunately, and I think
they're all very wrong. I don't know if any of

(01:27:47):
you saw the video. I had a personal story to
offer about Doctor Disrespect being loose with DMS back in
the day. If you guys care to hear, no, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I didn't hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
It's a little roundabout one of the things that helped
grow my channels. I was able to leak Advanced Warfare
early because a complete rando on Twitter sent me a
DM saying check out the next COD game. And it
was a bunch of pictures and I think a very
short video of one of the campaign levels of what
would become Advanced Warfare. Good College, with my analytical skills,

(01:28:21):
was able to tell it was almost certainly a COD
game and not a fan thing or a fake. I'm
pretty good at spotting the fakes, and I was very
curious about where this came from. Uh So I pressed
the guy and discovered that he was a friend of
Doctor Disrespect who was just using guy Beam at the time,
and he worked with Sledgehammer on Advanced Warfare. I think
it was map design was his specialty, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
If you remember the map where it was like a
the special kill streak was like a Beam of Light
that you could like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Your frid ants. It was really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Hard to end one of the good good maps in
that game. Actually, if I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Didn't know where this leak had come from, and it's
important for me to kind of track that down and know.
So I talked to this guy that sent it to
me for a little bit and found out that guy
Beam had sent him all of this and more information,
and in talking and a little context clues, I kind
of got the impression that while working at Sledgehammer, he

(01:29:21):
had on social media just DM friends and family early
previews of the game, grossly violating NDA, and some of
those ended up in my hands. And I'll tell you
I have never had one single word of conversation with
Doctor Disrespect in my life. I think I've tweeted at
him a few times. I don't think he ever replied
or anything. I've never met him at an event or whatever.

(01:29:42):
My only interaction with Doc is this tangential thing where
I was given a huge chunk of all the stuff
that he violated NDA to share with friends and family,
and is relevant now because it was very loose dming
that I stumbled upon.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
And a crazy point and this will prove my point
even more of why he should be invalidated publicly always
if he gave up something with an NDA, obvious NDA,
that is, before game footage, he leaked call of duty early,
just getting in you know, the intro clip, making sure

(01:30:20):
that all of that was a viable availability to everybody.
Then as a whole he signed an NDA with Twitch
that way, he couldn't talk about this, and yet doesn't
have the fucking balls to protect himself in a situation
where he could actually have the evidence to prove that
he's right. Guess what that means. He is wrong. It
proves he is wrong. It proves he did something maliciously

(01:30:44):
or intentful in this situation. And now all of a sudden,
because he has three hundred thousand people once in a stream,
that he's no longer going to have a problem. You know,
he raised a lot of good points with saying that
Twitch wanted to get rid of him for this reason
or that reason, whether that be Ninja or Shroud. I
understand that ideology. He isn't wrong to point at that

(01:31:06):
and be like, you know, this is weird. That's when
my contract was canceled. You want to know what also
was weird? You were just proven that you break NDAs
and guess what, you didn't protect yourself. You're not showing whispers.
You're not saying I didn't sext.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
I don't like how man is being used, and I
had a legal disclaimer because I yeah, exactly the same
to everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
That talked about him or accused him of things. I
did not see. Proof that doctor disrespect sent to this
person was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
My understanding from your telling of the story as well, making.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Sure I didn't get it directly. But what this person
told me was that doctor disrespected and in talking to
them and evaluating the conversation and context clues that seemed
too likely to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
It is still clearly an assumption.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Yes, just making sure covering my bases here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
No, I'm not. I'm not trying to grasp a straws
and I don't want to seem like I am.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
And don't use the word proof or proofs.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Yep, you're right, my My linguistic skills are shitty at best.
I apologize so not on the topic list, but I
want to get your guys' opinion because we talked about
doctor disrespect in this way. Currently, there is a guy
dealing with something and kind of being run through the
mud for a relationship situation. How much do you guys

(01:32:27):
know about the dude Jinxy who's one of the larger
streamers and YouTubers and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
I know nothing, which is wild, Yeah, exactly where it's
just like I saw this stuff as like largest streamer
ever Rainbow six. I'm like, how how can I do that?

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Weird faces?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Yeah, dude's a weirdo, is my thought.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Where it's just like, I agree, But shit, that was
interesting happened with him. I guess he was dating this girl,
Brecky Hill. I don't know if she is an OnlyFans
girl or tries to do only fans or tries to
be portnt. I don't know. That's just what I heard.
I'm just going to go off of it that way.
But I guess they broke up this weekend. It says

(01:33:07):
it up top one. It's at an hour thirty me, Nope,
you're fine.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Ask how much I meant? How much was left? Oh thirty?
You can run if you need to. For a second,
I think I'm gonna have to. This one's not gonna wait.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Nope, go ahead, I apologize. No, it was just easier
to say it than type back while I was trying
to speak. So he went through and was dealing with this,
and they broke up recently, and she went on and said, oh,
you know, this has to be this big drawn out thing.
We're we're breaking up. So she made him go on

(01:33:42):
stream and out himself as a sexual deviant because he
watches poor. That to me felt uncomfortable. Why are you
creating born but your boyfriend can't watch it? That's kind
of hypocritical. That. Then she made him say that he
was a disgusting creep for liking and commenting on females pictures,

(01:34:07):
which also seems kind of disingenuous when you create porn.
Then she made him say that he was addicted to sex.
And that's where I want to actually have a conversation.
Is it seems like that's becoming a very big scapegoat
for any time any guy is unsatisfied with their relationship

(01:34:30):
at all. Oh, you're absolutely you know, this big deviant
who's a piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
So it's yeah, I don't know, lack of accountability culture
is kind of big deal. We're just like the woman
is never wrong in the breakup, and the man must
take everything and everything must be used against him more
often than not, and that's just kind of weird in
the whole thing, and that to me is exactly show

(01:35:00):
about it. Like also, I do think like if you
if you're in a relationship and you like another girl's picture,
na I disagree with that behavior. So that's why I'm like,
maybe he's a little weird, But you also don't have
to go on like some kind of public apology tour
because you're kind of weird if everyone's dms that they've

(01:35:20):
ever made were leaked and just available, like let's say
Neurallink makes its where we can know every conversation someone
has had, everyone's canceled for everything, because everyone's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
So he was broken up with because, uh, his OnlyFans
girlfriend complained that he watched too much poorn, which you know, hypocritical,
and then he also was liking and interacting with other
females by looking at their pictures and that was quote
unquote creepy and grooming and you know, obviously he's a

(01:35:55):
creep and he's stalking them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
I think it's weird that, like he has to do
this public apology thing, even though I do disagree with Like,
if you're in relationship. No more like another girl pictures.
That's easy. It's a little weird, but also not bad
enough to be like you must apologize as the largest
person ever. I hate these social media shows. I hate
this entire culture. Maybe dude's a little weird, but no
weird enough to deserve this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
A girlfriend that likes porn, he was told to reveal
he had been stalking other women by looking at their pictures.
He was battling a porn addiction during their relationship, and
she exposed him publicly on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I think this is a stupid. Why it's a topic? Yeah?
Not like this wasn't in the dock and it's stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
It goes with the doctor disrespect thing and you know,
dudes as a whole, because it's like, what the fuck
is this? Why? Why is every time that I doud
watch his porn? Is it a porn addiction? Why is
it a sex addiction to scroll through Facebook and have
a girl's picture pop up?

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Why does the other the woman feels threatened or offended
or fucked up by this? And not every so I'm
grateful my wife loves pornography. You get to enjoy that together,
but not every woman is like that. Some will flip
the fuck out and it feels like cheating to them,
And I don't know the level of this. There is
a difference between scrolling on Instagram and just liking some

(01:37:17):
random pictures, especially if you're in the gaming cosplay community.
A lot of girls are doing racer stuff in costumes
versus like I've scrolled through four years.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
At what level is looking through pictures that pop up?
Is that considered stalking other females because.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I don't, like I said, I don't think he did
anything in an exaggerated degree that would deserve this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Especially when she's an only fans girl.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
May I don't think. I don't think the only fans
of thing matters because a lot of people just like
are like this regardless, and I find this whole tangent stupid.
I agree, like we're all just like Jinxy is. Who
cares about Jinx anyways? And that was just another nonsense,
fake social media parade that makes everyone a little more awkward.

(01:38:08):
Great so with the doctor disrespect thing though, and like
the age thing that reminds me of another YouTuber. I'm
the complete hypocrisy of BB. Like Zach, you're not allowed
to talk about someone's tangental experience here, but my my
creator's tangental experience is what I want to talk about.
But there was a YouTuber named Strider seven X, and
I loved his content because he would like data mine

(01:38:29):
and break down Paper Mario and paper Mars, one of
my favorite games. He's like, oh, by the way, you
can underflow the game and bake a cake for like
three hundred years and still pass the test, really fucking
cool stuff, or like you hit this block a million
times and it resets. So like his ex came out
with like accusations against him, and his defense of the
accusations was like, oh, look at these love letters you

(01:38:51):
wrote me, and look at all these gifts you gave me,
and then here's like my confession of love to you.
But then there was like an acknowledgment she was seventeen
inside of that, but still like legal that everyone thought
they were doing legal things, so exactly the morally gray thing.
But he was defending himself from like stronger accusations and stuff,

(01:39:13):
or just like you're the one that contacted me first.
I didn't, as you can see in these interactions, I
didn't leverage anything that could come off as grooming even
though you were seventeen. But the only thing people cared
about was that one little line that was the acknowledgment
of her being seventeen. And the dude hasn't uploaded in
like five years.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
How old was he at the time, that's a question,
not old old.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
But I think like twenty something, like maybe twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Twenty one to seventeen is less. Why. Yeah, that's like
that's like the you know, the senior dating junior sophomore
in high school kind of gap, still a legal one,
and it's starting to get weird, like when you're when
you're hitting twenty one and twenty two, you're supposed to
be like wrapping college high school girls. Yeah, probably should
not be your prerogative at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
That's but now the the court of public opinion is
like anything under eighteen, you're gone, even if you were
nineteen twenty is how some people take this. But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Missed that dude.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I missed that dude, and it was like just weird
house like, oh yeah, he and he didn't like he
just like took what people were saying about him and
then just like ghosted, never uploaded, never posted, again. Last
video was four years ago, one million views. He was
making banger content and he decided to walk away from
online society forever because.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
To that not as rich as fuck, he could just
walk away and not deal with this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Yeah, so I to me, like this dude said committed
seventeen and was just gone. It was crazy. But I'm like,
that's another like weird thing on how this goes well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Something that is on our docket is the same exact thing,
the Dick versus Vito shit that's going on with the
biggest problem in the universe currently. At what point do
you just walk away because you don't want to deal
with the fans saying things about you, where's the where's
the paycheck? Not the the thing of working And you know,
it's a struggle. It's a struggle because the story as

(01:41:06):
a whole is so fucking meaningless. You can make anything
into a joke, you can make anything into a problem.
That's what this job is. You can make something the
biggest fucking thing in the world, or it can be
the biggest fucking grain of rice that you've ever seen.
It's completely and entirely how you respond to it. Like,
I'm getting shit on every day all day. Why because

(01:41:27):
people feel like it's funny to point out that I'm
retarded and you know, not understanding the context of what's
going on.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I don't know anything about that. Can I get like
a TLDR for that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Oh yeah, gosh, most of our audiences is going to
know either.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
So Dick Masterson runs a show called The Biggest Problem
in the Universe. Veto is his co host. They live
record the show every week on Fridays, and they have
interactions with super chats and everything else and stuff like that,
and recently those things have started turning a very very
negative light towards Vito's wait and things that Vito is

(01:42:01):
doing and stuff like that, and pointing a light at
things that he is obviously uncomfortable with, whether it's his weight, hiden,
gambling away all of the money for his comic book,
and everything else. Like, there's things there that are like
I don't know the context of so I can't go
into those things. But obviously there's problems that they're touching on,

(01:42:21):
and he feels insecure about them. So instead of you know,
facing it head on or just ignoring it, he's gone
through and started banning every time anybody says anything negative
to him, regardless of the dollar amount that they've donated,
regardless of how long that they've been a Patreon supporter
or anything, just gutting the entire page sequence of this

(01:42:44):
entire show because in his eyes, he wants to make
it a better place. He feels like getting rid of
all these people that are backing the show is a
positive investment because it's better for him.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That's all his prerogative, his money, his show, what his
bills are, what he's comfortable with. I think that's really
Vito's choice there. And I'm sad to hear that it
sounds like a Wings type situation.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Yeah, it's where it seems like where it turned. Where
it's like, well, the only way you get most of
your funding now is through negativity, and it's up to
you if you want to take it or not. Like
I am very controlling of my like I'm very heavily
moderating of my comments. Like if you're just toxic once,
like hide user from channel, You're never going to promote
or product be productive. Now, if you want to give

(01:43:30):
a ten dollars super chat telling me how much of
an asshole I am, I'll let that one go. You
want to keep doing it, fine, yeah, I'll allow that.
Where it's just like and then I can make fun
of you. You give me money, and I can talk
about how stupid you are for this weirdo comment. And
if I had a lot of people doing that, maybe
you ban like the egregious ones before the most part,

(01:43:51):
like keep them coming. So I think that's like where
the weird thing is, where a lot of people are. Oh,
I never hide any comments. All shadow banning is wrong. Nah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Nah, Some people you just don't want to deal with.
But then at a point, so I don't know how
many people are in your streams. Imagine if you had
tens or hundreds of thousands of people flooding you constantly,
such that anytime you looked at your phone it was
just like you're a piece of shit. At a certain point,
it just wouldn't be worth the money. You would need
some destress.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
I mean, that's actually my channel. But they're not giving
me money, So I can I actually be happy if
if I have a thousand haters giving me ten dollars
a month, pop off. But if you're just being a
worthless idiot, get out of here. No, So this is
creating drama with h Dick though, So yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Dick is now seemingly and this is just me trying
not to say the things that I know behind the scenes,
but the things that I know public facing. It seems
like Vito is going to walk away because he is afraid.
One of the creators that are in the circle. If
you remember herless Mint, we had her on, she was
on Pika, if she was on here Pool chick, the

(01:45:02):
autistic girl that bounces her boobs everywhere, her boyfriend is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
I like her, don't know why. I can't explain it. Yep,
something about her personality, yep. Now she was actually legit
cool though. I enjoyed talking with her. She a couple
of into my collar and I was like, she's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Yeah, what you call it. Her boyfriend also creates content,
does podcasts and stuff like that. She talks about movies
and everything else. Obviously they work together. They're a part
of Vito's comic and everything else. And Vito made a
comment and started fighting with them in her discord, not
not even the biggest problem discord, just going into another
friend's discord and starting to argue with them, saying that

(01:45:41):
they're failing obviously, because they're covering movies from sixty years ago.
They're not getting views that you know now they're having
a problem. So now he's starting to fight and argue
with not only people that are employed by Dick and Veto,
but he's arguing with people that have helped them on
the show or fought with people for them and everything else.

(01:46:02):
That's where it gets iffy to me. It's like, okay,
so if you want to disagree with me, Okay, you
want to call me a retard, go ahead, But as
a whole, do you fight with your friends or fight
with people that have gone to bat for you because
they don't like how you making today? That to me
is like you're getting burnt out, and I understand it,

(01:46:22):
Like I get it. You're getting burnt out. You're you
want to be a fucking porcupine and you want to
poke everybody because they're poking you and you're getting You're
getting fucking hurt. But you cannot hurt everybody that's supported
you every time always because you're hurt today. You have
to wear your shit on your sleeve and say, hey, guys,
I'm not fucking okay. Can we calm down? For a

(01:46:43):
little bit, like is it gonna help it always? No,
I'm I'm very very vulnerable on this show.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Is a layer about this that's also like problematic. That's
funding for the thing they're doing. So if you're banning that,
you're banning thousands of because your fifis are hurt, and
that's creating more problems as well, which is going to
cause you lash out where just like you got upset
at me because someone I'm not gonna let someone call
me an asshole for twenty bucks, but you're also lagging

(01:47:13):
behind on your content and now everyone's fighting over this.
The trolls are winning regardless that ten dollars investment is
getting mileage.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
And what happens, what happens as a whole. If you
lose a job because you know your feelings get hurt,
you lose out on six thousand, seven thousand dollars a
month to another creator. I know the list not stupid
to me because you just don't want to accept the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
I get so much hate and I've tanked so much hate,
like I've seen Poka tubers break down, just completely collapse
because they did one video that got less than ninety percent,
like ratio bitch, I get dislike boded and my average
like ratio is like fifty five percent, and I get
I could open up right now and find someone calling

(01:48:01):
me an asshole on my YouTube dashboard. You get two
negative comments and ten dislikes, so you crumble. But then
like it gets to a larger scale, like with uh
Wings and then what Vito's going through, Like, yeah, that's
that's larger. But I mean, like, damn, I got a threshold.
If I'm making thousands, I don't care, Like I got
bath thick of a skin and I can tank that

(01:48:22):
for years as I have for the last decade. Okay,
so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
So like the shit that's happening on Local Live right now,
Team Star show, most toxic work environment I've seen as
a podcast ever, Boogie faked cancer and he gets a
fake tattoo on his face that says liar, it's slowly
being found out that it's fake. Does he deserve to

(01:48:47):
have a place in that business anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
It depends on who runs the business. I think it
depends on how much.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
Yeah, also how much is that controversy if it's if
it's net positive controversy and finances keep them chem I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
I don't really run in those circles or watching that
owen che he owns it. I thought he was drama
alerte he owned multiple Now, uh, this is a podcast
instead of just like how he used to own the
Bad Kids Cast and everything else. Yeah, I was on
the Bad Kids Cast ago. Yeah I missed that show.
That was a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
I honestly, regardless of if me and Kim have had
a disagreement or not, I actually liked his content. I
like him as a person. We're very very similar with
just being c loud, obnoxious New Yorkers. So I understand
where he comes from a lot of the time, not
with everything he does, because he's done a lot of
fucked up things, but I understand the whole. I'm just
going to be the loudest in the room because it's

(01:49:42):
very very easy to fight everything that you're dealing with
that way. But like, I don't know how to deal
with these situations, even like as a business owner myself,
if we were having problems and there's thousands of dollars
that we're handling and dealing with, do you just walk
away because oh it's not working right now, or do
you fix it? Like, to me, a business situation is

(01:50:02):
a marriage. You fucking deal with that shit. You figure
it the fuck out, You handle it. You don't just
walk away.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
I boy, we might be different. Uh. I have to
think about my words very carefully. If you can give
me a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Oh yeah, I can go on a little bit more
like I have. I have. I'm very money driven, but
that's also not like a oh see for lispose greedy
and that's why clicksbait, clickbaits and makes alls. But it's like, no,
if a business is generating enough money for me, I'll
put up with anything.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
That's my thing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
So I I draw a lot. I put up with
a lot of bullshit from businesses and sponsors and companies
and things like that. I don't like to earn dirty money.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
That's also right, Yeah, okay, yeah, if it's.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Agree, tell you exactly that. And my version of dirty
is different, you know, Like you know, there are these
little apps that you can download for if you play
the games. You can buy a iPad food a million
times to you know, there are content sites like I
got an offer from Rumble for like pretty fat dollars
to start posting content there. And obviously that doesn't align
with my values for the most part, So I said, no,

(01:51:08):
there have been this is like a really losory humble brag,
a number of times that I were off I was
offered six figure contracts either yearly or monthly, and I
walked away because the money was not ethical.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Yeah no, and I completely agree with you on that.
It's oh yeah, that's the same for me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Like I could have been the everyone cheats in Pokemon.
I love all these bad actors and pdf files because
they're my friends, like everyone else in the Pokemon community,
and I'd be making millions. So I've turned down the
money I disagree with.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
It would be like if one of the people that
you had getting gameplay or something started rallying against you
because oh they're now saying negative shit about you, and
they're stoking those flames, and you're like, oh, let's not
fix this, fuck you. Step one, And that to me
shouldn't be step one. It's not you know, sponsorship money,

(01:52:01):
it's you know, fans donating. Fans donating are still fans,
regardless of if they're negative or positive. They're still fans.
They're giving you money, They're being there every single week.
At some point their voice is still going to be
there regardless. So, like, I don't know, like sponsorship money,
that is a different level to me. But if me
and Burtless were beefing behind the scenes, we would also

(01:52:23):
fix it behind the scenes. If we're beefing on camera
as we did last week, fucking arguing over if people
are retarded or not. You know, you talk it out
and you handle the situation. You handle the problem, you
don't just let it fucking We.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Still have sponsors. I'll put up with Zach's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Exactly, you know, And we could just get neurolink and
hacking all of the games just because you know, we're
computers now. It's crazy. So I watched a Joe Rogan short.
I don't even know when it was from. So let
me be a hundred ten percent honest. I might be
behind Drifter will probably know more than I do, and

(01:53:04):
I will be one hundred percent honest. But I saw
the short from Rogan and he's like, so, this is
the dude with a second neuralink and he's sitting there
playing Counterstrike and he's not playing with a mouse on
a keyword. He's able to just play it with his
mind essentially, because he connects it to his computer or whatever.
That sounds like a scary fucking thing to me. What
happens if you know you have a virus on your

(01:53:24):
computer and now you put it in your fucking brain
but whatever, and he's like clicking heads within like snaps
because you don't even have to do anything, you think,
and it happens. What the fuck is going on with neuralink?
Is it really that crazy? Actually have more drastic question
than that. I think they're brute force some of it.

(01:53:45):
I think you're seeing the successes and not the outrageous
amount of failures that they have going on. I'm not
the expert on your link. I'm gonna pass it over
to you for Alissa.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Buy thank you. So all have to do is watch
the Joe Rogan episode where they had the first neuralink guy.
You can get a really good idea, because, yeah, what
we've been promised about neuralink is that they're going to
drill into your brain and make your brain like a
human supercomputer. Right. That's why everyone thinks when they hear neuralink.
But what it is is it's just kind of like, oh,
it reads your brain waves and then there's an algorithm

(01:54:15):
that interprets those brain waves. So if I think, like
move hand, move hand, move hand one hundred times in exercise,
it'll know what neurons mean like move hand and then
left right and shit, And that's all it is. So
it's not seeding your brain with like better thoughts and
extra neuroactivity. It's just reading your brain and then putting
it through an algorithm and then using that into technology.

(01:54:38):
At this time, it's not magic.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
I don't even understand how that is faster than you know,
you actively just doing it with their brain subconsciously.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
It probably isn't. But also like tactile feedback, I can't
click ahead every time, I can just look and zap
people with my mind. Yeah, that's actually just going to
be better. And you can train the neurallink to interpret
that and that's all that it is. And also the
first dude, he said, there was a lot of problems
with his because he was the first test subject. They
were just learning like he was the test rat effectively,

(01:55:10):
and when they first put it in, like half of
the neurlinks were pulled from his brain because there was
like a two millimeter thing that they didn't account for.
Because like it's very precise where they put the threads in,
and it's like, oh, my brain moved around in my
head because it's just sloshing around in there, and it
moved by like two more millimeters and anticipated So actually,

(01:55:32):
his neuralink is kind of bricked because it lost half
of the circuits and they had to like rewire it
and re do the algorithm for him because it's getting
less signal. So it's just one of those that's just
how it is.

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
It's not that's the most important thing you said, is
it's sort of a one way at scanning your brain
and what you want to do. You can't put information in,
at least not yet. Yeah, I wouldn't want something that
has information in. I think I would rather be a
luddite without a chip. It's kind of the scary thing
that I've realized. So I grew up, I watched a
lot of anime, and I love cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is like

(01:56:06):
one of my favorite genres of fiction. It's very very
fun and in this you know, fantasy world, people buy
their chips and they mob their brains and they connect
to the net and they do things and it feels
very cool, like you're stealing rogue technology and putting it
in your head. But the reality is if we get
things like that, it's going to be like the Walmart

(01:56:27):
chip that makes you dream about new products at night
and constantly fucks with your perception. I mean, look at
all the dark patterns and stuff they do with Amazon
and manipulation with a TikTok algorithm and dopamine. Even it's
going to be like that on steroids. It's going to
be one hundred times worse.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
You'll see kindles and stuff like the ads that they're
run on Kindles every single time you open it. There's
that shit everywhere always anyway, So I completely agree.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
And it won't even be like you own the product.
It'll just be like you have a subscription to Amazon
Brain or something.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Oh your card got declined and you just shut down.
It's over. But yeah, uh. And also, like the thing
about neuralink, it's going to before a lot of people
that have disabilities and stuff, well, they're not there yet,
and the plan is to just like have it jumped
to where it's like you have one your brain, you
have one below the spinal energy, and then it just
like links that that thought and that transmission to get

(01:57:25):
your legs to move, because like you can't fix that.
You can't like zap your brain to make your legs
move if you have some kind of injury. Yeah, that'd
be crazy if they somehow find a way to jump it.
But yeah, like you need two of them, and that's
still in the work. So it's like, yeah, the neuralink
isn't like some magical telepathy. I'm now just like in
Twitter in my brain. It's just it's what we already

(01:57:46):
have where it's like you can read brain waves and
then try to figure it out. It's just now getting
smaller and more commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
They were even speaking about the possibility of fixing things
like glaucoma and stuff like that with it, and it's
just it's, am I misspeaking? Am I remembering incorrectly? There
was something that I could.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
Have, I would be surprised because I don't know what
that has to do with your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Because it's receiving the signal, but you don't, like your
optic nerves essentially become retarded and are no longer able
to send the signal back, so it reconnects that in
that way.

Speaker 4 (01:58:19):
I got this wrong. I was thinking of macular degeneration,
which is the blood vessel's dying. I get the wrong
thing in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
Either way, it's just like it seems like one of
those grand claims.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Yeah, it seems like they're overestimating what they're able to do,
and I come.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
Like, maybe one hundred years from now it's doing that.
But that's not where neurallink is realistically.

Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
Little self driving in twenty twenty two, Mars base by
twenty thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
I mean, say that all of this stuff is true
and they're able to actually accomplish all of these things,
would you rather have it and you not have the
problems possibly? Or would you rather deal with that?

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
That's a discussion that would need an hour and maybe
even longer. And also just get it's way too philosophical,
where it's like, well, now we have two groups of people.
We have dummies that don't have it, and we have
the vulnerable tech dudes where it's like, oh, well, one
hack shuts them down, and then it's like, yeah, you're
better off not tampering yourself, but now you are literally
societally disadvantaged because you're dumber than now the average IQ

(01:59:17):
being one forty since they have every knowledge zapped into
their brain.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
It would be weird to watch, like a knuckle dragger
get neurallink and it all of a sudden it fixes
their knuckle dragged miss and they go from like eighty
IQ to fucking one hundred and twenty and all of
a sudden they actually are quick witted.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
I have an inner monologue now, thanks neurallink.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
Like the movie The lawnmower Man book like what Never
Heard of It? The fuck Yeah Stephen King movie or book,
basically a guy he invents a magic machine that can
increase people's intelligence and improve their mind. And the first
person that he tests it on is a mentally handicapped
lawnmower man guy with an IQ of about seventy and

(02:00:00):
and of course he gets him up to like two
hundred IQ. So he goes out to get revenge on
all the people that bellet him, and the movie goes
off in it like horror directions Stephen King Territory.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Yeah, yeah, nice, No, It's just it makes you wonder
if there is something that will genuinely help, and you know,
you would think that it would possibly be beneficial in
some circumstances. And then you see ship that they're doing
with the apple, Uh, what the fuck is it the

(02:00:30):
pro cast glasses or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:00:33):
You're just trying to we don't have to get through
all the topics and episode.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
I wasn't trying to cram them. I was just saying
it was connected. It works either way. We'll see you
fucking next time. We'll see a fucking later. Thank you
Drifter for coming on. Go check him out everywhere especially
always good to be here.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
Yeah, I enjoy wind drifters on.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
Use coat arms. He has to check out. See you later.

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