July 31, 2025 • 48 mins
At the start of Season 20, league commissioner Innsmouth Bear shared the disappointing, but understandable news that this would be the final season of Solo Champions League. To help say a proper goodbye to the league, we're welcoming previous guests back, across multiple episodes, to share memories and what made the league special to them.
For this third episode in the series, we are joined by league vets and returning guests, Teberle and Babycorn.
Joss' YouTube Channel (Solo Champions League Gameplay): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8M_m6TeG3LAzrIZ4o1jkRQ
Solo Champions League Discord: https://discord.gg/dnq9gUPfGHOfficial website for SCL: https://www.bearoverinnsmouth.com/solo-champions-league
MODOK league website: https://modokleague.github.io/
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Hey hey friendos, welcome to theRoad to Nowhere, a Marvel
Champions LCG podcast. Today we are going to celebrate
solo Champions League. Recently, the league
commissioner, Innsmith Baer, announced that this season,
season 20, would be the final season of league.
You know, knowing how much joy and meaning the league has
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brought to the friends that I'vemade through doing this podcast,
I invited many of them back to share with me in a celebration
of solo Champions League. These conversations have tended
to range for about 30 minutes toan hour, so I'm releasing each
conversation as its own episode.For our third of these episodes,
we're joined by two members of the Ursa Major Alliance, League
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points leader Baby Corn and T Eberly, our Co host with the
longest tenure in the league. And joining us we have T Eberly.
Tyler, how are you doing? I'm doing great.
How you doing Jess? Oh, it's good to have you.
We're going to run this. It'll be awesome.
It will be I'm. I'm looking forward to it,
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although it's yeah, it's, it's bittersweet in the end of the
FCL and yet I'm, I'm glad to be able to actually to, to
reminisce a bit and just, yeah, it's been an amazing past five
years and I'm excited to talk about it some more.
OK, well, it's awesome to have you here.
And baby corn, you're also here.Hi, how's it going?
And hi, Hi, Tyler. Hi, Josh.
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Good. It's so it's so good to have you
as well. So we're going to we're going to
spend, I have some guiding questions that I've been sharing
with with folks. We're going to go through those
in the order that kind of makes sense locally to to us.
So let's just jump jump into this.
I I'll probably add small reflections, but not necessarily
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answer all the questions fully myself.
So the the first thing I was going to check in with you too,
is, you know, and maybe we'll start with you, baby corn.
What makes SCL special to you? So I mean, I got into sort of
Marvel Champions at A at a time when we were sort of approaching
lockdown. I didn't quite get into it at
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the beginning. I got into it sort of, I think
sort of was May of 2020. So right, we were into lockdown
and sort of, you know, having some difficult times.
But it was a great sort of, it was a great birthday present,
which I got in May. And it was sort of nice to.
I play at home and I played withmy son Henry, who I'll talk a
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little about later. But it was kind of difficult
because you couldn't sort of meet up with the limited number
of sort of of of players nearby.Or.
Much else in the world, and I know it was kind of big in in
the US and sort of other places,but not particularly big in in
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the UK. So it was a nice sort of way to
actually sort of get into, you know, Marvel champions and
talking a little bit sort of like competitively, but you
know, semi competitively as in Smith says.
And I started playing the solo Champions League in November.
So that's kind of like season 3 and finding out sort of, Oh my
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goodness, what, what is it that people are looking at?
How do you score things and all those discussions that came by?
So I think that that that to me was it was a nice way, like
particularly during difficult times, particularly during the
lockdown and being in isolation and things like that.
It was a nice way to talk to other people who loved the game,
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who also liked to be a little bit competitive and having some
challenges, like, you know, being forced to to pick out, you
know, heroes that you wouldn't normally play with or, you know,
villains that you kind of think I'm never going to play that
again. Yeah.
So I yeah, it's, it's, it's something that I'm going to miss
quite a bit actually, yeah. Tyler, how about you?
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Yeah, so kind of similar to to maybe Gordon.
I got into the game itself probably there spring of 2020.
It's probably around May or so. It was myself getting of, you
know, things were locked down and and I, I got into the game
right. As you know, my wife and I are
about to welcome our, our secondkid.
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And so like, great, I'm going toget into this game and then I'm
going to go into sleepy Tyler mode and not have any energy,
but it's going to be there because I have nowhere else to
go. We're we're stuck here at home
working and then what am I doingin a down time?
It's not I can go anywhere and get a A2 year old to take care
of and a newborn here soon. And it, it was, it's the first
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LCG I've gotten into really. It's honestly, it's the first
kind of like any sort of like deck building game I've gotten
into. It's just, it's not something I
had experienced with before. And so I had a friend of mine,
yeah, the beginning of, of, of lockdown.
And she was like, hey, we got this game.
We can, we can play it on tabletop.
I'll set it up for you. You, you, you can play.
I'm like, great, sounds like fun.
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And I had a blast. And so I, yeah, I slowly got
into it more and more like, OK, I, I made like the list of like
how I'm going to purchase the game and then eventually like,
forget it, I'm just getting it all now.
I'm, I'm, I'm going to have it all.
And, and so it was, it was such a joy.
It was, it was for me, it was that thing that I could kind of
go to, to relax a bit in, in themidst of the little bit of
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insanity and not sure how work stuff's going to work.
Am I, if I'm going to even have a job, you know, a bit of that
time freaking out about that andthen having a newborn.
And then I got into the SCL in the second season.
I don't even remember what it was that I how I came across it.
I know I was trying to learn this whole LCG thing and how to
deck build and I was probably just searching around in all the
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Reddit Facebook everything and somehow probably came across the
post from in Smith and like, Hey, that sounds like fun and
dove in. And yeah, it's just been it's
been such a joy to to be around in the league since since that
kind of those early days. And I remember one of my like,
like earliest memories of the league, like really sticks out
to me. And you can go find the
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conversation in the, in the Discord is like one of the
archive chats was the, the like end of match debate we had like
early on, like end of season 3 or something.
Like I, I, I was like one of thefirst people to post it because
I, I had like, Hey, I have some thoughts.
And that's the I'll, I'll say something.
And it's not normal for me. Like I'm, I'm more introverted
and I'm, I'm hesitant, especially if I don't feel
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confident in something. I'm like, I don't know if I want
to say anything. I'll just stand back and let
other people have the conversation.
And I'm like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dive into this.
And so that was just like, because like there were
different opinions and then ultimately the decision we went
with was opposite of what I thought we should do at that
time. Like, at the same time, like it
was such a fun conversation to have.
Like it was this, this, this discourse of like, OK, here's
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what the game says, but like, what are we trying to do?
Like, you know, in Smith's, likethe ideas like you're getting
scored by the, the citizens of what you're protecting, like
their ranking, They're, they're telling you all the things and
get giving you this the score. And so I, I love this that that
that early on, like spoke to me of like this is a sure, sure a
competitive community. And yet there's just, there's
something special about this community of people that just
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want to have a discussion and want to interact with each
other, especially when so many of us are stuck at home and
aren't going out to play the game elsewhere.
And so, yeah, it's just that that's it was, it was a fun time
to get into it, it despite the craziness and despite
everything. And, and for me, it was a way
that like if it wasn't for thosethose early seasons and fighting
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the league, I don't know if I would still be playing the game.
Probably. It gave it gave me a reason to
to want to continue to play the game.
Yeah. I love that the I was just
looking through because I wantedto see what some of the dates
were and was reminded that the first three seasons were one
week per round. Yeah, yeah.
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So the, so the, so the seasons were, were barely over a month
long. And then it, you know, I think
kind of right after the time that we're talking about going
into maybe season 4 or season 5,it, it switched over to two
weeks per round and then kind ofcontinued to trickle longer.
And there was, you know, kind oflike you were saying, the end of
game debate. There's always been these
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debates about how long the seasons have been cause some
people struggle to just kind of actually enjoy it because
they're feeling it's coming so fast and furious.
It feels like a job to keep up. And then others they're, you
know, obsessed isn't exactly theright word, but they're, you
know, that's just kind of a major, a major point of
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engagement for them. And so they want they want the
fresh new content as quickly as possible.
Right. So that it's just kind of neat
to look through the history of those, those dates and things
like that. And then I saw, for me, I saw
the very first round I played was season 3, Round 2, because I
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could was just looking through and it was against Crossbones
with Hawkeye. So I guess all three of us would
have been there for that one. And I did not look at the
scoring system carefully in any way.
So I just thought I was trying to do it as fast as humanly
possible. And I had terrible board states
that I lost one of the games andthat was kind of how I started.
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I was looking through some of the stats for my first game and
I joined in season 3 Round 1, sosimilar times I score.
I was ranked 62nd out of 89, which I thought, there you go.
There we go. Similar way having no clue about
sort of, you know, the the scoring or what I should be
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aiming for with approval rating of 73%, which I kind of thought
was OK, but that was like, yeah.Yeah, I got AB.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
I haven't even looked at my old scores yet.
Right. The yeah, the other thing I, I
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noticed for kind of the early stuff for me was at the time
when I would get new content, I would usually play the new hero
once and play the new villain once or whatever and then kind
of put it away. Because I was also playing a lot
of solo board game, other solo board games and things like
that. And I didn't have a lot of
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reason to engage over and over again with it and just felt like
it was a thing I would experience the new content and
carry on with other things. And so solo Champions League was
was a a venue, these set challenges and all these other
things that actually gave me a lot of excuses to play the game
that and engage with it in a waythat I wasn't otherwise.
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I didn't personally have the motivation to do it outside of
that. And.
Then when I look through my own stats, it's really funny because
there's a lot of heroes that I would not play on my own time on
purpose that much that are way up there in my number of played
heroes. Because solo Champions League
has, you know, completely, completely corrupted the my play
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counts from that perspective. Is your highest played hero now
then? Oh, yeah, sorry.
I would have to go look. But you know, it's, I think it
was Captain Marvel, I think, which is, is one of my favorite
heroes anyway. But there's heroes like Doctor
Strange and Quicksilver that arereally high on there as well
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that are just not heroes I wouldtypically gravitate toward.
Right. And yeah, I think I've, I've
looked back at mine and I've, you know, I was actually
organizing my, my cards just this past week and I was like,
yeah, I haven't played like Doctor Strange.
Like, I, I don't know, the last time I played Doctor Strange it
was probably an SCL game and there's so many of them.
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Yeah, the only reason I did playthem was probably S because of
SCL totally outside of like I got them once I played them.
OK, that was fine. Back in the back in the box
until I'm I'm forced to. So I want to jump to a different
question before we get into someof the some of the meteor ones,
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but this one, I think it's more directed at you, baby corn.
But Tyler, you might have one that you want to add as well.
So the question is, you know, are there any special inside
jokes or memes from the leagues,the league that that still make
you laugh, baby corn. I mean, I mean, I, I having the
coined baby corn deck, I think is, yeah, it's something that
makes me laugh all the time and and I sort of bring it bring it
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up in a outside of the SEL as well, which I do get a a lot of
odd looks when people kind of go.
What do you mean by baby corn deck?
So I'm sure people do know, but you know, my, my, the usual
decks, I, I often play with are,are one of decks just to, you
know, provide a bit of variety in in into the deck and just to
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yeah, make things a little bit different, which I like.
I I actually like it. I mean, we've got such a which
such a large card pool now and obviously sort of depending on
commentary you're you're going with.
Yeah, it's, it's just, it's justnice to sort of have some
different cards. So yes, I, I it still makes me
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chuckle. It makes me chuckle whenever you
talk about it on this podcast aswell.
I love it. I love it.
And Tyler, I'll jump to you in asecond, but I want to add one
other thing about the baby corn deck because it's actually tied
to what I was just talking aboutbefore was I actually remember
the first time I kind of became more aware of it.
It was, you know, after we started the podcast and it was
really getting people to share. And so we saw what kinds of
decks people were playing. But it was a Quicksilver round.
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And I think while you and maybe one other player had decks that
looked much more like tempo, Quicksilver decks where, you
know, Quicksilver kind of traditionally had been a, you
know, build out your board and then finish off the villain type
of hero. And you had clearly, you know,
not not only just based on your actual reported score and how
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quickly you had gone, but even just, you know, the design of
the deck. It was so much more oriented
toward problem solving and tempothan what I would consider to be
the typical Quicksilver deck. And it just kind of blew my mind
that there was this other approach because I just had
never occurred to me to even tryto play Quicksilver that way.
Oh. Thanks.
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I appreciate that. I mean, one, that's one of the
nice things about you having thepodcast and then having the
league as well. Because actually sort of when we
did sort of do the deck sharing sort of business, it was really
nice to sort of see the variety of decks that were that were
really effective. And we had, we've seen a lot of
interesting things and interesting sort of ways of
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playing the game. And yeah, I mean I'm happy,
happy to be coined the phrase. Well, and, and you know, further
to that point is it's really nice to see that there's not one
path to success. Absolutely.
Right. I think, I think there's a
danger of, of feeling like there's one path to success.
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And I think like kind of this enterprise has has really helped
illuminate that that's not true.I think we're.
Actually helping you? Yeah.
I say with that idea of like there isn't one path to success.
Like I think I after specifically after we, you know,
determine end of round and then we realizing like, oh, if you
want to actually score good, yougot to do this, this, this and
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this. It felt like like, OK, this is
the one path I can find to actually scoring well and being
somewhat competitive. And I think I spent a few
seasons just like focusing trulyon that.
And then eventually I realized this isn't as fun and realized I
I, I need to make this my own. Like, I can do this, you know,
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find this path, but it doesn't have to be this exact way.
That's not as enjoyable. So, yeah, I like the the deck
sharing and seeing the baby corndeck and and things like that
that show like, Nope, there are lots of ways.
And I mean, I, I haven't looked at the the recent, you know,
overall, but I think aren't you at the top of everything still
Lady corn? So obviously there are many
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paths to the top. Yeah, yeah, I.
Think he is? Am I?
I, I believe, I believe that I believe that's the case.
We still got one final season so.
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And one other meme that I was thinking about from the league
was, I can't remember exactly when it showed up, but was the
phrase blade endurance. When we kind of recognized that
because blade had the exact samecost as endurance in some ways
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in, in certain matches, he was almost more valuable than just
playing an endurance in terms ofthe impact on score, because he
could also do other stuff if youneeded him to.
It wasn't just about getting three hit points, but for, you
know, the, the, the thing about SCL is it's you're for most of
the rounds, you're not playing up against the difficulty of it.
You're playing up against the efficiency of solving the, the
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puzzle. And so it wasn't about the, you
know, how much more survivable you were because of endurance.
It was because it was a mechanism to provide HP victory
points, right? And so, OK, well, Blade does the
same thing, but could also impact the board state.
And so it was kind of AII remember a period of time where
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Blade Durants was a thing that was showing up.
OK, so let's let's jump to and I'm able to start start off with
you, Tyler, you know, what do you think the SCL community
brought to the wider Marvel Champions scene?
Let's. I was going to think on that
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before we, when we jumped on andbeing that this game, you know,
was released literally right as the pandemic was beginning in
the world and in its main focus was, you know, it, it thrives in
2-3, maybe in four player games and then entering into a world
where we're, we're locked down. I think the SCL coming when it
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did, you know, within that firstyear of the game being released
and, and the, the world's shutting down.
I think it was great because everyone was playing it solo
like you, not everyone, but mostpeople were playing solo.
And that was the, the primary way of, OK, I want to play this
game. And this is how do I, how am I
going to do this unless I can convince a family member or
someone who's in my, in my home to play with me?
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How am I going to play this? And, and the SCSCL being there
early on and, and learning some of the things we learned early
on to get it going even further was I think I think it, it added
a lot to the game and how it's played because so many people I
think do play the game solo still.
They they, they more and more playing out and playing with
other people. But there's still so much solo
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being played and having a place where people were able to come
and interact on the game in a cooperative, competitive manner
and still being able to play it on their own.
I think it's just, I know for myself, again, I think I said
earlier, like if it wasn't for SCLI may not have continued with
this game. And, and, and This is why I
think SCL was so important and, and has been so important over
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the years, is it gave people a way to play this game and maybe
slowly enter dipped their toes slowly more into, into this
community on a deeper level. And, and, and then.
Dive into some of the greater things going to kind of heroes
or, or what have you. I think this is a a great
opportunity. I mean, I early on, I mean in
Smith was even he was doing the circuit on.
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I feel like a couple of the the bigger podcasts at the time for
the for the for the game and like people were were hearing
about it. And so I think having a a way
for people to competitively and yet cooperatively play this game
in a solo manner. This, this, this, this league
was, this was integral in that. Baby corn.
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Yeah, I mean, I think I, I completely agree.
I think it it, it, it was a timing of the world, wasn't it?
And I think, you know, heading into lockdown, heading into
that, yeah, that that that is such a difficult time for a lot
of people. And I think only now are we sort
of probably realizing the impactof being isolated and, and yeah,
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the effect on sort of everybody.I think it was such a such a big
thing and having this game in the Marvel Universe, which I
think is, is a big thing. Like it's, it's a, it's a, it's
a great IP. It's a great sort of thing for
get people to get into. And it's kind of one of the
reasons why I got into it as well.
So I think having, I remember sort of looking at, I think
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board game geek sort of earlier and other sort of chat groups
and, and sort of reading that, Oh, Marvel champions are so
difficult to play true solo. It's, it's, it's, it's much more
adjusted for like, you know, to play and up and upwards.
And having the SCL community wasactually quite useful because
actually kind of like, no, you can play the solo.
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Of course you can play true solo.
It's, it's, it's, it's absolutely doable.
And, and here's, you know, here's what we do.
And also it was nice having these tasks, these these, you
know, these challenges each weekto go, oh, right, well, this is
what we're going to do. We're going to work sort of semi
competitively, but collectively as well and sort of work out,
well, how are we going to sort of achieve this?
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And, you know, we had some great, you know, great sort of
people playing this game and it was nice just the, the, the chat
sort of particularly early in this, in the earlier seasons
were, was, was, was amazing. Actually, there's so much to
talk about sort of how, how you tackle, you know, various
villains or the various challenges.
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So I think that's really, reallygreat.
I think it was it was it was it was an amazing thing that
happened at the right time as asa lot of things in the world.
Yeah, it just happened at the right time.
And and in the first sort of like starting this was it's
great. I mean, the legacy actually that
SCL will leave is is a huge one.And then as time went on, being
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able to meet face to face, face to face and sort of being able
to meet at the corner heroes. I mean that that's amazing.
And I think it's interesting talking to the players that are
in the SCL versus other players as well.
I think we do have a, a, a, a, we do think about things that
slightly differently. And you know, when we, when we,
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I'm not sure in a good way or bad way, No, but it, it was
like, you know, we've known eachother sort of like remotely for
such a long time that actually sort of getting together and,
and meeting and playing togetherhas been very easy to sort of to
do. And that's, I think that that's
been a wonderful thing. And hopefully sort of Marvel
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Champions and sort of, you know,collectively sort of tabletop
gaming does this does, does amazing things for communities
because it's a great thing, particularly after, you know,
the pandemic and lockdown and everything that's come out of
that. Yeah.
It, it's been lovely to lovely to sort of be a part of and
lovely to sort of see it thrive.So yeah, I think it's it's it's,
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it's done wonders, really. What?
And, you know, it might be just my bubble, but when I'm at kind
of Heroes, it does feel like solo Champions League is kind of
the largest contingent contingent of a sub group.
You know, that that people kind of all know each other and are
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looking forward to seeing each other and getting together and,
and those sorts of things. I think, you know, I think maybe
some of the bigger content creators have groups of folks
that they also really interact with a lot that are are kind of
similar, right? Like there's, you know, there's
a real sub community that nucleated around solo Champions
League and when it showed up at kind of Heroes, you really saw
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that. I think particularly this year,
like kind of Heroes 2025, I think it was, it was very
evident, wasn't it? There was a lot of us who'd,
who'd done ACL and I think it was very easy for us to just,
you know, get into loads of games.
I'm not sure we were the biggestgroup.
I, I, you know, we, there's 160 people there.
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I, I, I have no idea who else isthere.
I know I do. Well, that's.
What I'm saying about the bubble, right, like that, that
might be just my perception because that's I was interacting
with those people. So it's like, hey, there's only
one, there's only one subgroup here as far as I can tell.
You know, Yeah, kind of funny, Tyler, I was looking up, you
were talking about kind of like the solo versus other player
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accounts. There's a person on Board Game
Geek who has a collection tool, Dramamu, that has been reporting
games for quite a long time thatpeople submit.
And so they've collected just about 27,000.
Oh sorry, just over 40,000 gamesaltogether.
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And of those 40,000 games, 28,000 are solo so.
Wow. That's so it's just about 2/3 of
the game have been solo. Now, of course, this is a very
specific contingent of the Marvel Champions community,
right? People that are on board Game
Geek and submitting stuff. But you know it, just to your
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point, a lot of people are playing solo.
Right. And yeah, having something to
make it. I mean, there's other games that
I play solo, mostly because it'snot always easy to get to get my
wife to convince her to play a game with me.
Maybe. But like, I don't have the same
communities where this one is like, Yep, there's this
community that's brought people together that as you, as you
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said, like I, I went to the kindof heroes issue for the first
time. And, and I mean, there's part of
me that was nervous. Like I'm I, you know, getting in
large groups, my introvert side just thrives and I'm like, OK,
I'm not comfortable. I don't know who I'm going to go
talk to. And yet because I knew these
people were here, I knew I couldgo talk with Greg.
I knew I could interact with, with the two of you.
And I'm like, I felt comfortableand I didn't feel out of place
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in any way. And, and I, I was able to jump
out of my, my normal comfort zone and be like, Yep, I'm just
going to dive headlong into this.
And I think, yeah, this, this community has made that a lot
easier to do. Love it.
And to tie a bow on this question, you know, one other
thing I've definitely seen commented on many times and I'm,
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you know, I'm curious to hear ifyou both feel the same.
But there, there's definitely been a sense that, you know, the
solo Champions League has kind of been the most welcoming
Discord server that people really talk about.
It's kind of the the nicest server to go and chat and
everybody is very supportive andit's just kind of a really nice
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and encouraging community. Yeah, I would agree.
I mean, I, I poke around in the other discord servers I'm not
very active in and then, I mean,to be fair, I'm not as active in
the SCL. This this got discord as much
either as recent, but like, especially in the first, you
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know, 10 seasons. I, I mean, I, I know I was
trying to be more active and anytime with anyone to enter in.
And we were a smaller community back then.
Like it would be, you'd have a list of people, someone you
know, so and so hopped in the server and it'd be all these
people waiting high welcoming and someone asked a question and
people would be jumping over each other to try to answer and
to help people out. So absolutely.
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I mean, it's been, it was a joy to because you wanted to welcome
people in and wanted people to feel like, Yep, you're here to
compete. But really you're here to just
to, to, to play the game together, right?
Baby corn. Yeah, I mean, I I totally agree.
I mean, it was, it was just, I mean, I, I do hop into some of
the Discord and on Board Game Geek and other forums as well.
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It's the, I think the tone that people have in the set of
Champions League is very, very different.
It's much more supportive. It doesn't seem to be, how
should I say it, as as direct asother, other discord servers can
be. And I think in yeah, it's maybe
it's the people that that play this or maybe it's just the
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community that that has gone involved.
I'm not entirely sure. But it's, it's just, it's just a
very different feeling. And I think particularly earlier
on, as Tyler says, it's, you know, when we were still trying
to find out about the game, trying to, trying to work out
the, you know, the end of the match and, and you know, the,
the definition of you, etcetera.The, the, the, the tones very
different. And I think, yeah, it, it, I
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think it's, it's much more welcoming or it felt more
welcoming anyway. But I, I don't know whether it's
just a result of just, yeah, like minded folk or just we just
happened to be lucky. But no, it's, it's, it's great.
It's very appreciative It and I think I agree with Tyler.
Had I not done SCL things, I'm not sure I would have continued
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playing. Yeah.
It's difficult to know. Yeah.
OK, so well, let's jump to and maybe Tyler, we'll start with
you again if you want. Was there a particular moment
where you felt especially grateful to be involved with the
league? Yeah, yeah.
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I think early 2021. So, you know, been in the league
for a handful of seasons at thatpoint and this friendly
community felt like I just, it was a place I would, I could go
to each day having discussions, find something to maybe it'd be
a little bit of a distraction and from, from the world, from
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my own stresses of trying to figure out how to raise two kids
at this point and not having anyfamily help.
And also having a real struggle with with my current employment
like and, and trying to figure out should I be leaving this?
Is this the right thing to do right now for our family?
And having the SCL for myself atthat time was just it, it was
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the one thing like at the end ofthe day, when OK, kids are a
sleeper, a baby's at least asleep for a couple hours now.
Like I can, I can, I can go and play this and I can relax
better. I can jump into the community
and I can catch up with what I missed from the day and dive
into some conversations that just having a human element that
I didn't feel like I had outsideof a baby, a 2 year old and my
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wife. And, and although I love my
family dearly and like I needed,I needed a little bit of a, a
detox from everything else that I was experiencing.
And so, yeah, early 21, early 2021 to mid, you know, even the
towards the middle of the year, having the STL was in some ways
one of the main things that was keeping me my sanity.
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I feel like at the time and likeit was like I had, I had a
challenge, I had a focus. I feel like, OK, what's what's
this, this round's match? How am I going to figure it out?
I remember, you know, I was one of the first times I had to
actually go back into the office.
And I think it was probably there in early 2021.
And I was, you know, I was having some frustrations with
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work. And I remember just pulling into
the parking lot and I had the whole drive, whole 45 minute
drive I had to the to the office.
I was thinking like, how can I best make this deck work?
Like what, what, what, what is the best way to build a deck?
That's all I was thinking about.And it was such a joy.
And like, OK, I can't wait until, you know, I have a chance
to stop doing my work stuff so Ican again go back to this this
thought process and thinking through these in this deck
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building, which in still was a very new thing to me in in doing
a deck building game. And it was having a challenge
with SCL and having community kind of think that through and
and talk that through was just so helpful at the time.
And I love it and I will. Yeah.
It's, it's because of that, likeI was, I wanted to push through
and even even the past handful past year or so, like I was
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trying to even do every every round that I could just because
like, no, I, I love this community.
And even if I don't have the time for as much anymore, I want
to. I want to participate as much as
I can because it's had such an impact on me.
Love that. Thank you for sharing, Baby
Corn. Yeah.
So, as I said before, I I to Marvel champions relatively
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early and sort of ended up playing with my son Henry, who
had he was had one intermission from leukemia.
And we were sort of at home of trying to learn this game whilst
sort of in lockdown and and, youknow, just doing dealing with
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lots of other things and remember, sort of like playing
this and kind of going, Oh gosh,we're misreading the rules.
I don't understand. Do we ready up?
Do we do this etcetera, etcetera.
And we used to sort of look at the rangons and look at sort of
the challenges and kind of go, OK, fine, you know, what do you
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think would would what do you think we should do with this
mash up? And and it became like a nice
like father, son sort of bondingthing to to actually have and
Henry relapsed like later on that year.
And it was still a nice thing tobe doing to to be talking about,
you know, Marvel games and just like the challenge itself and
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just having having that slight distraction, which is really
like, it was really, really useful at that time.
And yeah, it was, it was, you know, we all remember at that
time, it was just such a challenging time anyway with,
you know, isolation and being locked down.
But when he relapsed, it was even more trickier because we
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were then in hospital and havingchallenges sort of visiting.
So this was kind of a useful thing to have was a distraction
from the various screens and iPads and whatever he had in
hospital. And and just again, it was just
nice to be able to talk about like, OK, fine.
How are we going to sort of takeon Ultron with like, you know,
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Captain Marvel or should we, youknow, should we do this?
What card do we include? Like for me, like my particular
sort of like moment that will always stand out, will always be
very, very special to me was when he passed away in 2022.
And I sort of reached out to Isms affair and sort of said,
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look, you know, you, you know about Henry, you know, he's
unwell, but unfortunately he's passed away.
And he sent such a lovely message to me and basically
said, you know, I'm very happy to pass on the donations that
we've been picking up from the Patreon to any charity that you
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particularly want. And if you want, we can sort of
create a, a dedicated round for,for you, for Henry or anything
that he would have, he would have loved.
I don't think we actually ended up doing the, the, the, the
specific round per SE, because Itook AI had to take a bit of a
break at that point. It was just a little bit too
much for me. But I was really, really humbled
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by the by the, the, the support that everybody gave me and, and
to support the SEO and just having that community spirit and
just that community support. It was really, really touching.
And it's been particularly special meeting people face to
face, like meeting Koreans was there and, and all of you guys
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as well. I think it's, it's just been,
yeah. It, it, it, it sort of
highlights how important sort ofthis hobby, this, this game,
this hobby, what we do is, and, you know, it's not just tabletop
gaming is anything, isn't it, you know, having that
distraction from the day-to-day,sort of like struggles.
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It's, it's, it's just lovely to have.
So, yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm hugely appreciative of the fact that
actually having this has been a good distraction, a good, a good
sort of way out, as it were justfrom, from sort of normal,
normal things or bad things. And yeah, I, I, I'm really
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grateful to have been here sort of like intermittently, but to
to be, have been here anyway, season 3 to this season.
And I hope like, you know, we will carry on sort of at least
being in touch even if SEO doesn't exist in this, in this
format, but at least like, you know, having the ability to sort
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of like reach out. And I think that's just really
important. And yeah, it's, it's been, it's
been an important thing for me. Well, I mean, thank you so much
for sharing that. I mean, it's obviously a very,
very personal thing to to be able to share.
And you know, I think it also speaks to part of why we
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actually saw that the discord for solo Champions League ended
up being kind of the nicest places that Innsmith Bear is a
kind and considerate person, andhe tried to imbue the community
with that. Absolutely.
For sure, yeah. And so that's, you know, I think
it's just kind of it's, you know, it's a bit of a, you know,
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a branch of, of the community that Elizabeth Bear was hoping
to, to be able to, to create. And, you know, like that your
story kind of just kind of reinforces that that sort of
idea. So thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing that.
And I, I do, you know, I do likethe idea of, you know, when you
are with a person a lot and especially if there's
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challenging times, it can be hard to have conversations that
aren't just about that. And so like you and Henry, being
able to strategize about the rounds, you know, gave you an
ability to focus on a thing thatwas bringing you both joy.
And I think that's just kind of seems like an amazingly positive
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thing to have been able to engage with.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
OK, let's jump to one final thing.
And so this is, is there a standout game, round or result
from your time in the league that you'll you'll never forget?
Tyler, shall we jump to you? Sure, and I'm going to take this
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a different way. Like I actually I'm, I'm really
bad at my remembering my rounds.But for me, I think the standout
thing that I any, any round thatI ended up getting like one of
the honorific titles or something like that was always
like, I was pleased because I've, I've had a goal for long
for, for quite a while now. Like I wanted, I wanted to get
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every little like tag that I possibly could in, in SCL.
And I've got so many of them. I, I, there's some that I, I'll
never get. Like I was never going to get
the overall leader. I was, I think I was for like
one or two rounds. I was flight 1, but I don't
officially have that one, But I have so many other ones.
I've got seasoned gold, silver and bronze, a round on gold,
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silver and bronze. I've even got a I can't get
season 1 veteran, but I got season 2 and 3 veteran.
The only two that I I, I'm I've been toying with, do I just need
to go for these and who cares what my score is, is the 2 I
don't have that I need to get isscroll or no Coulson
commendation in agent of Hydra. And I think for me, like I've
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gotten so many of these and I'velike last season, do I spend 222
rounds where I make sure that I am losing?
One of them just horribly and one of them just doing so well
and yet still losing. It's tempting.
Any time I would get one of those, I'd be thrilled to like
I've got another badge. I've got another badge added to
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my my name and I'm excited aboutthat.
So I think that's for me, like the most memorable ones are
those ones, but I'd get something there just be just
because it was a little like mini game for myself.
And so I may play that mini gameone more time this season.
Nice of you to let us know. I mean, honestly.
Yeah, I, I should, I should, I guess I should let the, the, the
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Bears know that hey, I might be throwing a couple round games
this for my season. I love that.
I love that baby corn. What do you have?
Oh, I was trying to memo throughall my games.
Which one's the one that stood out.
I think for me, there was AII really enjoyed a note.
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There was a Nova justice versus Venom goblin.
I can't remember the modular set, but it was a it was like a
round 5 howl. It was it was a it was a
nightmare unless you played Nova.
It was just one of those like, Oh, actually, this is all right.
And I remember like we're doing it doing it.
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I did, I think one practice gameand then just just went for it.
And I think by game two, I kind of thought, oh, you know what, I
should, I should sort of write, write down every sort of every
action that I make just so that I can have it on record.
I can put it put it on the Marvel CDB and and get out there
and then the write up took about45 minutes to write up because
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it was so long. It was.
It was. Such a lot it was, it was the
unleashed no force. OK, so it's going to be about 3
pages of write ups, but I, I, I enjoyed that it was, it was a,
it was a lot of fun for me. Tough round.
It was really tough round, but it was, it was a lot of fun, But
that was the one that stuck up for me.
It was like season 17. It was.
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It was fairly recent. I was trying to remember the
specific round but it was the first time that I don't know if
it was anybody, but it was certainly the first time that I
had scored a one turn victory inthe league.
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Wow. Because it was, it was one of
those ones where in Smith Bear had brought in, you know,
something like the the rise of the Red Skull upgrades that you
can ditch to go get an ally or draw 5 cards or, you know, one
of those types of rounds. And it was a round one, I think
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kind of. So it wasn't that difficult.
And it was, you know, get Nick Fury and just go.
And it might have been, it mighthave been a Nova round.
I honestly don't remember the details of it, but I just
remember the sheer delight in realizing that it was possible
to actually do it in one round and then actually accomplishing
that. That's awesome.
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I don't know if I've I can't Oh,go ahead.
I don't know if I've ever gottena round one victory, even non
SCL. So that's awesome.
Well. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly not
a thing I try outside of that. I know with, you know, Deadpool,
for example, it's definitely a very reasonable thing to do in
solo. But it yeah, it was just it was
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all the pieces fit together. And because ends with Ferrer is
often throwing in not just speedbumps, but things that actually
helped the heroes as well to make things interesting that
there was just there was such a neat opportunity there to do it.
It was very fun. Well, let me let me thank both
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of you for for joining. It was really a pleasure to get
to hear you both chatting about the league.
Maybe check in with final thoughts, baby corn?
Any final thoughts on the way out?
I hope we, I mean, I just hope we sort of carry on this
community and I'm sure we will all be in touch anyway.
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And I'm sure Elizabeth Bear willbe looking forward to new
pastures with his first and second child.
And yeah, no, I hope, I hope we,we, we carry on as a community.
And I think we will in some formor some guys.
And I I particularly look forward to sort of catching up
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in person, hopefully at next year's kind of heroes.
Exactly, and hopefully you won'thave to leave for a wedding or
anything like that. Exactly.
No, I may need to ask my first, but you know, it's fingers
crossed. Tyler.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I say anything in many ways like yeah,
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I'm, I'm hoping and looking forward to the community
continuing in, in maybe not in in rounds, but in spirit still
and still continuing discussionsand still having opportunities
to come together at Conic Heroeswherever else.
But I'm just extremely thankful to all the people who have been
present, both those who are no longer active and those who who
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are new. And it's just for people's
willingness to jump in and to, to have fun and have discussions
and. And then, yeah, most of all, I I
can't think in this. Fair enough for his time, his
energy, his joy in doing it all.Yeah.
I, I, I'm so grateful for all that he did to put this league
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together and to keep it going and to create such a welcoming
and friendly environment. I am forever grateful and can't
wait to actually get to finally have a game with him in person
someday, hopefully and, and complete, complete having a game
with all the bears, all the, allof our alliance at some point.
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But yeah, so grateful for him, grateful for this entire
community and thankful for also for, for the work you've done
Joss with, with this podcast as a way to kind of help kind of
continue that discussion on a, on a different area as well.
And being able to jump in every once in a while to have those
conversations and have the joy to discuss the, the baby corn
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decks or the, the, the fast, thefaster than Quicksilver decks or
whatever they are. And just, yeah, I'm, I'm
gratitude. That's only the, the word that
comes back. I'm just so grateful for this
community and the time that we've had over these past five
years. Well, I think that is a great
sentiment to end on. Oh baby porn please.
Yeah, Hey, hey, I absolutely second that and thank you, Joss
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as well. It's been, it's been great.
You have to chat with everybody as well.
Yeah, I've, I mean, I didn't addthat to, to any of my thoughts,
but you know, I've really valuedthis ability to get to sit down
and have chats with people. And, you know, I think we were
all looking forward to getting to meet each other at kind of
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Heroes. But I, I feel for me, just
having had those extended conversations with people really
kind of increased that even further for me, just that that
really feeling like I got to know people and looking forward
to finally getting to meet them in person.
Definitely. Absolutely.
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OK. Well, thank you both.
Thank. You.
We will. We will talk again in some
capacity, of course. Thank you very much.
Absolutely, Absolutely.
Hey hey friendos, welcome to theRoad to Nowhere, a Marvel
Champions LCG podcast. Today we are going to celebrate
solo Champions League. Recently, the league
commissioner, Innsmith Baer, announced that this season,
season 20, would be the final season of league.
You know, knowing how much joy and meaning the league has
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brought to the friends that I'vemade through doing this podcast,
I invited many of them back to share with me in a celebration
of solo Champions League. These conversations have tended
to range for about 30 minutes toan hour, so I'm releasing each
conversation as its own episode.For our third of these episodes,
we're joined by two members of the Ursa Major Alliance, League
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points leader Baby Corn and T Eberly, our Co host with the
longest tenure in the league. And joining us we have T Eberly.
Tyler, how are you doing? I'm doing great.
How you doing Jess? Oh, it's good to have you.
We're going to run this. It'll be awesome.
It will be I'm. I'm looking forward to it,
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although it's yeah, it's, it's bittersweet in the end of the
FCL and yet I'm, I'm glad to be able to actually to, to
reminisce a bit and just, yeah, it's been an amazing past five
years and I'm excited to talk about it some more.
OK, well, it's awesome to have you here.
And baby corn, you're also here.Hi, how's it going?
And hi, Hi, Tyler. Hi, Josh.
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Good. It's so it's so good to have you
as well. So we're going to we're going to
spend, I have some guiding questions that I've been sharing
with with folks. We're going to go through those
in the order that kind of makes sense locally to to us.
So let's just jump jump into this.
I I'll probably add small reflections, but not necessarily
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answer all the questions fully myself.
So the the first thing I was going to check in with you too,
is, you know, and maybe we'll start with you, baby corn.
What makes SCL special to you? So I mean, I got into sort of
Marvel Champions at A at a time when we were sort of approaching
lockdown. I didn't quite get into it at
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the beginning. I got into it sort of, I think
sort of was May of 2020. So right, we were into lockdown
and sort of, you know, having some difficult times.
But it was a great sort of, it was a great birthday present,
which I got in May. And it was sort of nice to.
I play at home and I played withmy son Henry, who I'll talk a
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little about later. But it was kind of difficult
because you couldn't sort of meet up with the limited number
of sort of of of players nearby.Or.
Much else in the world, and I know it was kind of big in in
the US and sort of other places,but not particularly big in in
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the UK. So it was a nice sort of way to
actually sort of get into, you know, Marvel champions and
talking a little bit sort of like competitively, but you
know, semi competitively as in Smith says.
And I started playing the solo Champions League in November.
So that's kind of like season 3 and finding out sort of, Oh my
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goodness, what, what is it that people are looking at?
How do you score things and all those discussions that came by?
So I think that that that to me was it was a nice way, like
particularly during difficult times, particularly during the
lockdown and being in isolation and things like that.
It was a nice way to talk to other people who loved the game,
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who also liked to be a little bit competitive and having some
challenges, like, you know, being forced to to pick out, you
know, heroes that you wouldn't normally play with or, you know,
villains that you kind of think I'm never going to play that
again. Yeah.
So I yeah, it's, it's, it's something that I'm going to miss
quite a bit actually, yeah. Tyler, how about you?
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Yeah, so kind of similar to to maybe Gordon.
I got into the game itself probably there spring of 2020.
It's probably around May or so. It was myself getting of, you
know, things were locked down and and I, I got into the game
right. As you know, my wife and I are
about to welcome our, our secondkid.
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And so like, great, I'm going toget into this game and then I'm
going to go into sleepy Tyler mode and not have any energy,
but it's going to be there because I have nowhere else to
go. We're we're stuck here at home
working and then what am I doingin a down time?
It's not I can go anywhere and get a A2 year old to take care
of and a newborn here soon. And it, it was, it's the first
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LCG I've gotten into really. It's honestly, it's the first
kind of like any sort of like deck building game I've gotten
into. It's just, it's not something I
had experienced with before. And so I had a friend of mine,
yeah, the beginning of, of, of lockdown.
And she was like, hey, we got this game.
We can, we can play it on tabletop.
I'll set it up for you. You, you, you can play.
I'm like, great, sounds like fun.
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And I had a blast. And so I, yeah, I slowly got
into it more and more like, OK, I, I made like the list of like
how I'm going to purchase the game and then eventually like,
forget it, I'm just getting it all now.
I'm, I'm, I'm going to have it all.
And, and so it was, it was such a joy.
It was, it was for me, it was that thing that I could kind of
go to, to relax a bit in, in themidst of the little bit of
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insanity and not sure how work stuff's going to work.
Am I, if I'm going to even have a job, you know, a bit of that
time freaking out about that andthen having a newborn.
And then I got into the SCL in the second season.
I don't even remember what it was that I how I came across it.
I know I was trying to learn this whole LCG thing and how to
deck build and I was probably just searching around in all the
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Reddit Facebook everything and somehow probably came across the
post from in Smith and like, Hey, that sounds like fun and
dove in. And yeah, it's just been it's
been such a joy to to be around in the league since since that
kind of those early days. And I remember one of my like,
like earliest memories of the league, like really sticks out
to me. And you can go find the
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conversation in the, in the Discord is like one of the
archive chats was the, the like end of match debate we had like
early on, like end of season 3 or something.
Like I, I, I was like one of thefirst people to post it because
I, I had like, Hey, I have some thoughts.
And that's the I'll, I'll say something.
And it's not normal for me. Like I'm, I'm more introverted
and I'm, I'm hesitant, especially if I don't feel
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confident in something. I'm like, I don't know if I want
to say anything. I'll just stand back and let
other people have the conversation.
And I'm like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dive into this.
And so that was just like, because like there were
different opinions and then ultimately the decision we went
with was opposite of what I thought we should do at that
time. Like, at the same time, like it
was such a fun conversation to have.
Like it was this, this, this discourse of like, OK, here's
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what the game says, but like, what are we trying to do?
Like, you know, in Smith's, likethe ideas like you're getting
scored by the, the citizens of what you're protecting, like
their ranking, They're, they're telling you all the things and
get giving you this the score. And so I, I love this that that
that early on, like spoke to me of like this is a sure, sure a
competitive community. And yet there's just, there's
something special about this community of people that just
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want to have a discussion and want to interact with each
other, especially when so many of us are stuck at home and
aren't going out to play the game elsewhere.
And so, yeah, it's just that that's it was, it was a fun time
to get into it, it despite the craziness and despite
everything. And, and for me, it was a way
that like if it wasn't for thosethose early seasons and fighting
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the league, I don't know if I would still be playing the game.
Probably. It gave it gave me a reason to
to want to continue to play the game.
Yeah. I love that the I was just
looking through because I wantedto see what some of the dates
were and was reminded that the first three seasons were one
week per round. Yeah, yeah.
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So the, so the, so the seasons were, were barely over a month
long. And then it, you know, I think
kind of right after the time that we're talking about going
into maybe season 4 or season 5,it, it switched over to two
weeks per round and then kind ofcontinued to trickle longer.
And there was, you know, kind oflike you were saying, the end of
game debate. There's always been these
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debates about how long the seasons have been cause some
people struggle to just kind of actually enjoy it because
they're feeling it's coming so fast and furious.
It feels like a job to keep up. And then others they're, you
know, obsessed isn't exactly theright word, but they're, you
know, that's just kind of a major, a major point of
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engagement for them. And so they want they want the
fresh new content as quickly as possible.
Right. So that it's just kind of neat
to look through the history of those, those dates and things
like that. And then I saw, for me, I saw
the very first round I played was season 3, Round 2, because I
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could was just looking through and it was against Crossbones
with Hawkeye. So I guess all three of us would
have been there for that one. And I did not look at the
scoring system carefully in any way.
So I just thought I was trying to do it as fast as humanly
possible. And I had terrible board states
that I lost one of the games andthat was kind of how I started.
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I was looking through some of the stats for my first game and
I joined in season 3 Round 1, sosimilar times I score.
I was ranked 62nd out of 89, which I thought, there you go.
There we go. Similar way having no clue about
sort of, you know, the the scoring or what I should be
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aiming for with approval rating of 73%, which I kind of thought
was OK, but that was like, yeah.Yeah, I got AB.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
I haven't even looked at my old scores yet.
Right. The yeah, the other thing I, I
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noticed for kind of the early stuff for me was at the time
when I would get new content, I would usually play the new hero
once and play the new villain once or whatever and then kind
of put it away. Because I was also playing a lot
of solo board game, other solo board games and things like
that. And I didn't have a lot of
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reason to engage over and over again with it and just felt like
it was a thing I would experience the new content and
carry on with other things. And so solo Champions League was
was a a venue, these set challenges and all these other
things that actually gave me a lot of excuses to play the game
that and engage with it in a waythat I wasn't otherwise.
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I didn't personally have the motivation to do it outside of
that. And.
Then when I look through my own stats, it's really funny because
there's a lot of heroes that I would not play on my own time on
purpose that much that are way up there in my number of played
heroes. Because solo Champions League
has, you know, completely, completely corrupted the my play
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counts from that perspective. Is your highest played hero now
then? Oh, yeah, sorry.
I would have to go look. But you know, it's, I think it
was Captain Marvel, I think, which is, is one of my favorite
heroes anyway. But there's heroes like Doctor
Strange and Quicksilver that arereally high on there as well
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that are just not heroes I wouldtypically gravitate toward.
Right. And yeah, I think I've, I've
looked back at mine and I've, you know, I was actually
organizing my, my cards just this past week and I was like,
yeah, I haven't played like Doctor Strange.
Like, I, I don't know, the last time I played Doctor Strange it
was probably an SCL game and there's so many of them.
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Yeah, the only reason I did playthem was probably S because of
SCL totally outside of like I got them once I played them.
OK, that was fine. Back in the back in the box
until I'm I'm forced to. So I want to jump to a different
question before we get into someof the some of the meteor ones,
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but this one, I think it's more directed at you, baby corn.
But Tyler, you might have one that you want to add as well.
So the question is, you know, are there any special inside
jokes or memes from the leagues,the league that that still make
you laugh, baby corn. I mean, I mean, I, I having the
coined baby corn deck, I think is, yeah, it's something that
makes me laugh all the time and and I sort of bring it bring it
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up in a outside of the SEL as well, which I do get a a lot of
odd looks when people kind of go.
What do you mean by baby corn deck?
So I'm sure people do know, but you know, my, my, the usual
decks, I, I often play with are,are one of decks just to, you
know, provide a bit of variety in in into the deck and just to
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yeah, make things a little bit different, which I like.
I I actually like it. I mean, we've got such a which
such a large card pool now and obviously sort of depending on
commentary you're you're going with.
Yeah, it's, it's just, it's justnice to sort of have some
different cards. So yes, I, I it still makes me
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chuckle. It makes me chuckle whenever you
talk about it on this podcast aswell.
I love it. I love it.
And Tyler, I'll jump to you in asecond, but I want to add one
other thing about the baby corn deck because it's actually tied
to what I was just talking aboutbefore was I actually remember
the first time I kind of became more aware of it.
It was, you know, after we started the podcast and it was
really getting people to share. And so we saw what kinds of
decks people were playing. But it was a Quicksilver round.
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And I think while you and maybe one other player had decks that
looked much more like tempo, Quicksilver decks where, you
know, Quicksilver kind of traditionally had been a, you
know, build out your board and then finish off the villain type
of hero. And you had clearly, you know,
not not only just based on your actual reported score and how
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quickly you had gone, but even just, you know, the design of
the deck. It was so much more oriented
toward problem solving and tempothan what I would consider to be
the typical Quicksilver deck. And it just kind of blew my mind
that there was this other approach because I just had
never occurred to me to even tryto play Quicksilver that way.
Oh. Thanks.
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I appreciate that. I mean, one, that's one of the
nice things about you having thepodcast and then having the
league as well. Because actually sort of when we
did sort of do the deck sharing sort of business, it was really
nice to sort of see the variety of decks that were that were
really effective. And we had, we've seen a lot of
interesting things and interesting sort of ways of
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playing the game. And yeah, I mean I'm happy,
happy to be coined the phrase. Well, and, and you know, further
to that point is it's really nice to see that there's not one
path to success. Absolutely.
Right. I think, I think there's a
danger of, of feeling like there's one path to success.
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And I think like kind of this enterprise has has really helped
illuminate that that's not true.I think we're.
Actually helping you? Yeah.
I say with that idea of like there isn't one path to success.
Like I think I after specifically after we, you know,
determine end of round and then we realizing like, oh, if you
want to actually score good, yougot to do this, this, this and
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this. It felt like like, OK, this is
the one path I can find to actually scoring well and being
somewhat competitive. And I think I spent a few
seasons just like focusing trulyon that.
And then eventually I realized this isn't as fun and realized I
I, I need to make this my own. Like, I can do this, you know,
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find this path, but it doesn't have to be this exact way.
That's not as enjoyable. So, yeah, I like the the deck
sharing and seeing the baby corndeck and and things like that
that show like, Nope, there are lots of ways.
And I mean, I, I haven't looked at the the recent, you know,
overall, but I think aren't you at the top of everything still
Lady corn? So obviously there are many
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paths to the top. Yeah, yeah, I.
Think he is? Am I?
I, I believe, I believe that I believe that's the case.
We still got one final season so.
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And one other meme that I was thinking about from the league
was, I can't remember exactly when it showed up, but was the
phrase blade endurance. When we kind of recognized that
because blade had the exact samecost as endurance in some ways
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in, in certain matches, he was almost more valuable than just
playing an endurance in terms ofthe impact on score, because he
could also do other stuff if youneeded him to.
It wasn't just about getting three hit points, but for, you
know, the, the, the thing about SCL is it's you're for most of
the rounds, you're not playing up against the difficulty of it.
You're playing up against the efficiency of solving the, the
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puzzle. And so it wasn't about the, you
know, how much more survivable you were because of endurance.
It was because it was a mechanism to provide HP victory
points, right? And so, OK, well, Blade does the
same thing, but could also impact the board state.
And so it was kind of AII remember a period of time where
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Blade Durants was a thing that was showing up.
OK, so let's let's jump to and I'm able to start start off with
you, Tyler, you know, what do you think the SCL community
brought to the wider Marvel Champions scene?
Let's. I was going to think on that
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before we, when we jumped on andbeing that this game, you know,
was released literally right as the pandemic was beginning in
the world and in its main focus was, you know, it, it thrives in
2-3, maybe in four player games and then entering into a world
where we're, we're locked down. I think the SCL coming when it
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did, you know, within that firstyear of the game being released
and, and the, the world's shutting down.
I think it was great because everyone was playing it solo
like you, not everyone, but mostpeople were playing solo.
And that was the, the primary way of, OK, I want to play this
game. And this is how do I, how am I
going to do this unless I can convince a family member or
someone who's in my, in my home to play with me?
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How am I going to play this? And, and the SCSCL being there
early on and, and learning some of the things we learned early
on to get it going even further was I think I think it, it added
a lot to the game and how it's played because so many people I
think do play the game solo still.
They they, they more and more playing out and playing with
other people. But there's still so much solo
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being played and having a place where people were able to come
and interact on the game in a cooperative, competitive manner
and still being able to play it on their own.
I think it's just, I know for myself, again, I think I said
earlier, like if it wasn't for SCLI may not have continued with
this game. And, and, and This is why I
think SCL was so important and, and has been so important over
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the years, is it gave people a way to play this game and maybe
slowly enter dipped their toes slowly more into, into this
community on a deeper level. And, and, and then.
Dive into some of the greater things going to kind of heroes
or, or what have you. I think this is a a great
opportunity. I mean, I early on, I mean in
Smith was even he was doing the circuit on.
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I feel like a couple of the the bigger podcasts at the time for
the for the for the game and like people were were hearing
about it. And so I think having a a way
for people to competitively and yet cooperatively play this game
in a solo manner. This, this, this, this league
was, this was integral in that. Baby corn.
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Yeah, I mean, I think I, I completely agree.
I think it it, it, it was a timing of the world, wasn't it?
And I think, you know, heading into lockdown, heading into
that, yeah, that that that is such a difficult time for a lot
of people. And I think only now are we sort
of probably realizing the impactof being isolated and, and yeah,
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the effect on sort of everybody.I think it was such a such a big
thing and having this game in the Marvel Universe, which I
think is, is a big thing. Like it's, it's a, it's a, it's
a great IP. It's a great sort of thing for
get people to get into. And it's kind of one of the
reasons why I got into it as well.
So I think having, I remember sort of looking at, I think
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board game geek sort of earlier and other sort of chat groups
and, and sort of reading that, Oh, Marvel champions are so
difficult to play true solo. It's, it's, it's, it's much more
adjusted for like, you know, to play and up and upwards.
And having the SCL community wasactually quite useful because
actually kind of like, no, you can play the solo.
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Of course you can play true solo.
It's, it's, it's, it's absolutely doable.
And, and here's, you know, here's what we do.
And also it was nice having these tasks, these these, you
know, these challenges each weekto go, oh, right, well, this is
what we're going to do. We're going to work sort of semi
competitively, but collectively as well and sort of work out,
well, how are we going to sort of achieve this?
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And, you know, we had some great, you know, great sort of
people playing this game and it was nice just the, the, the chat
sort of particularly early in this, in the earlier seasons
were, was, was, was amazing. Actually, there's so much to
talk about sort of how, how you tackle, you know, various
villains or the various challenges.
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So I think that's really, reallygreat.
I think it was it was it was it was an amazing thing that
happened at the right time as asa lot of things in the world.
Yeah, it just happened at the right time.
And and in the first sort of like starting this was it's
great. I mean, the legacy actually that
SCL will leave is is a huge one.And then as time went on, being
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able to meet face to face, face to face and sort of being able
to meet at the corner heroes. I mean that that's amazing.
And I think it's interesting talking to the players that are
in the SCL versus other players as well.
I think we do have a, a, a, a, we do think about things that
slightly differently. And you know, when we, when we,
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I'm not sure in a good way or bad way, No, but it, it was
like, you know, we've known eachother sort of like remotely for
such a long time that actually sort of getting together and,
and meeting and playing togetherhas been very easy to sort of to
do. And that's, I think that that's
been a wonderful thing. And hopefully sort of Marvel
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Champions and sort of, you know,collectively sort of tabletop
gaming does this does, does amazing things for communities
because it's a great thing, particularly after, you know,
the pandemic and lockdown and everything that's come out of
that. Yeah.
It, it's been lovely to lovely to sort of be a part of and
lovely to sort of see it thrive.So yeah, I think it's it's it's,
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it's done wonders, really. What?
And, you know, it might be just my bubble, but when I'm at kind
of Heroes, it does feel like solo Champions League is kind of
the largest contingent contingent of a sub group.
You know, that that people kind of all know each other and are
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looking forward to seeing each other and getting together and,
and those sorts of things. I think, you know, I think maybe
some of the bigger content creators have groups of folks
that they also really interact with a lot that are are kind of
similar, right? Like there's, you know, there's
a real sub community that nucleated around solo Champions
League and when it showed up at kind of Heroes, you really saw
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that. I think particularly this year,
like kind of Heroes 2025, I think it was, it was very
evident, wasn't it? There was a lot of us who'd,
who'd done ACL and I think it was very easy for us to just,
you know, get into loads of games.
I'm not sure we were the biggestgroup.
I, I, you know, we, there's 160 people there.
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I, I, I have no idea who else isthere.
I know I do. Well, that's.
What I'm saying about the bubble, right, like that, that
might be just my perception because that's I was interacting
with those people. So it's like, hey, there's only
one, there's only one subgroup here as far as I can tell.
You know, Yeah, kind of funny, Tyler, I was looking up, you
were talking about kind of like the solo versus other player
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accounts. There's a person on Board Game
Geek who has a collection tool, Dramamu, that has been reporting
games for quite a long time thatpeople submit.
And so they've collected just about 27,000.
Oh sorry, just over 40,000 gamesaltogether.
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And of those 40,000 games, 28,000 are solo so.
Wow. That's so it's just about 2/3 of
the game have been solo. Now, of course, this is a very
specific contingent of the Marvel Champions community,
right? People that are on board Game
Geek and submitting stuff. But you know it, just to your
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point, a lot of people are playing solo.
Right. And yeah, having something to
make it. I mean, there's other games that
I play solo, mostly because it'snot always easy to get to get my
wife to convince her to play a game with me.
Maybe. But like, I don't have the same
communities where this one is like, Yep, there's this
community that's brought people together that as you, as you
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said, like I, I went to the kindof heroes issue for the first
time. And, and I mean, there's part of
me that was nervous. Like I'm I, you know, getting in
large groups, my introvert side just thrives and I'm like, OK,
I'm not comfortable. I don't know who I'm going to go
talk to. And yet because I knew these
people were here, I knew I couldgo talk with Greg.
I knew I could interact with, with the two of you.
And I'm like, I felt comfortableand I didn't feel out of place
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in any way. And, and I, I was able to jump
out of my, my normal comfort zone and be like, Yep, I'm just
going to dive headlong into this.
And I think, yeah, this, this community has made that a lot
easier to do. Love it.
And to tie a bow on this question, you know, one other
thing I've definitely seen commented on many times and I'm,
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you know, I'm curious to hear ifyou both feel the same.
But there, there's definitely been a sense that, you know, the
solo Champions League has kind of been the most welcoming
Discord server that people really talk about.
It's kind of the the nicest server to go and chat and
everybody is very supportive andit's just kind of a really nice
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and encouraging community. Yeah, I would agree.
I mean, I, I poke around in the other discord servers I'm not
very active in and then, I mean,to be fair, I'm not as active in
the SCL. This this got discord as much
either as recent, but like, especially in the first, you
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know, 10 seasons. I, I mean, I, I know I was
trying to be more active and anytime with anyone to enter in.
And we were a smaller community back then.
Like it would be, you'd have a list of people, someone you
know, so and so hopped in the server and it'd be all these
people waiting high welcoming and someone asked a question and
people would be jumping over each other to try to answer and
to help people out. So absolutely.
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I mean, it's been, it was a joy to because you wanted to welcome
people in and wanted people to feel like, Yep, you're here to
compete. But really you're here to just
to, to, to play the game together, right?
Baby corn. Yeah, I mean, I I totally agree.
I mean, it was, it was just, I mean, I, I do hop into some of
the Discord and on Board Game Geek and other forums as well.
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It's the, I think the tone that people have in the set of
Champions League is very, very different.
It's much more supportive. It doesn't seem to be, how
should I say it, as as direct asother, other discord servers can
be. And I think in yeah, it's maybe
it's the people that that play this or maybe it's just the
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community that that has gone involved.
I'm not entirely sure. But it's, it's just, it's just a
very different feeling. And I think particularly earlier
on, as Tyler says, it's, you know, when we were still trying
to find out about the game, trying to, trying to work out
the, you know, the end of the match and, and you know, the,
the definition of you, etcetera.The, the, the, the tones very
different. And I think, yeah, it, it, I
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think it's, it's much more welcoming or it felt more
welcoming anyway. But I, I don't know whether it's
just a result of just, yeah, like minded folk or just we just
happened to be lucky. But no, it's, it's, it's great.
It's very appreciative It and I think I agree with Tyler.
Had I not done SCL things, I'm not sure I would have continued
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playing. Yeah.
It's difficult to know. Yeah.
OK, so well, let's jump to and maybe Tyler, we'll start with
you again if you want. Was there a particular moment
where you felt especially grateful to be involved with the
league? Yeah, yeah.
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I think early 2021. So, you know, been in the league
for a handful of seasons at thatpoint and this friendly
community felt like I just, it was a place I would, I could go
to each day having discussions, find something to maybe it'd be
a little bit of a distraction and from, from the world, from
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my own stresses of trying to figure out how to raise two kids
at this point and not having anyfamily help.
And also having a real struggle with with my current employment
like and, and trying to figure out should I be leaving this?
Is this the right thing to do right now for our family?
And having the SCL for myself atthat time was just it, it was
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the one thing like at the end ofthe day, when OK, kids are a
sleeper, a baby's at least asleep for a couple hours now.
Like I can, I can, I can go and play this and I can relax
better. I can jump into the community
and I can catch up with what I missed from the day and dive
into some conversations that just having a human element that
I didn't feel like I had outsideof a baby, a 2 year old and my
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wife. And, and although I love my
family dearly and like I needed,I needed a little bit of a, a
detox from everything else that I was experiencing.
And so, yeah, early 21, early 2021 to mid, you know, even the
towards the middle of the year, having the STL was in some ways
one of the main things that was keeping me my sanity.
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I feel like at the time and likeit was like I had, I had a
challenge, I had a focus. I feel like, OK, what's what's
this, this round's match? How am I going to figure it out?
I remember, you know, I was one of the first times I had to
actually go back into the office.
And I think it was probably there in early 2021.
And I was, you know, I was having some frustrations with
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work. And I remember just pulling into
the parking lot and I had the whole drive, whole 45 minute
drive I had to the to the office.
I was thinking like, how can I best make this deck work?
Like what, what, what, what is the best way to build a deck?
That's all I was thinking about.And it was such a joy.
And like, OK, I can't wait until, you know, I have a chance
to stop doing my work stuff so Ican again go back to this this
thought process and thinking through these in this deck
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building, which in still was a very new thing to me in in doing
a deck building game. And it was having a challenge
with SCL and having community kind of think that through and
and talk that through was just so helpful at the time.
And I love it and I will. Yeah.
It's, it's because of that, likeI was, I wanted to push through
and even even the past handful past year or so, like I was
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trying to even do every every round that I could just because
like, no, I, I love this community.
And even if I don't have the time for as much anymore, I want
to. I want to participate as much as
I can because it's had such an impact on me.
Love that. Thank you for sharing, Baby
Corn. Yeah.
So, as I said before, I I to Marvel champions relatively
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early and sort of ended up playing with my son Henry, who
had he was had one intermission from leukemia.
And we were sort of at home of trying to learn this game whilst
sort of in lockdown and and, youknow, just doing dealing with
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lots of other things and remember, sort of like playing
this and kind of going, Oh gosh,we're misreading the rules.
I don't understand. Do we ready up?
Do we do this etcetera, etcetera.
And we used to sort of look at the rangons and look at sort of
the challenges and kind of go, OK, fine, you know, what do you
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think would would what do you think we should do with this
mash up? And and it became like a nice
like father, son sort of bondingthing to to actually have and
Henry relapsed like later on that year.
And it was still a nice thing tobe doing to to be talking about,
you know, Marvel games and just like the challenge itself and
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just having having that slight distraction, which is really
like, it was really, really useful at that time.
And yeah, it was, it was, you know, we all remember at that
time, it was just such a challenging time anyway with,
you know, isolation and being locked down.
But when he relapsed, it was even more trickier because we
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were then in hospital and havingchallenges sort of visiting.
So this was kind of a useful thing to have was a distraction
from the various screens and iPads and whatever he had in
hospital. And and just again, it was just
nice to be able to talk about like, OK, fine.
How are we going to sort of takeon Ultron with like, you know,
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Captain Marvel or should we, youknow, should we do this?
What card do we include? Like for me, like my particular
sort of like moment that will always stand out, will always be
very, very special to me was when he passed away in 2022.
And I sort of reached out to Isms affair and sort of said,
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look, you know, you, you know about Henry, you know, he's
unwell, but unfortunately he's passed away.
And he sent such a lovely message to me and basically
said, you know, I'm very happy to pass on the donations that
we've been picking up from the Patreon to any charity that you
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particularly want. And if you want, we can sort of
create a, a dedicated round for,for you, for Henry or anything
that he would have, he would have loved.
I don't think we actually ended up doing the, the, the, the
specific round per SE, because Itook AI had to take a bit of a
break at that point. It was just a little bit too
much for me. But I was really, really humbled
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by the by the, the, the support that everybody gave me and, and
to support the SEO and just having that community spirit and
just that community support. It was really, really touching.
And it's been particularly special meeting people face to
face, like meeting Koreans was there and, and all of you guys
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as well. I think it's, it's just been,
yeah. It, it, it, it sort of
highlights how important sort ofthis hobby, this, this game,
this hobby, what we do is, and, you know, it's not just tabletop
gaming is anything, isn't it, you know, having that
distraction from the day-to-day,sort of like struggles.
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It's, it's, it's just lovely to have.
So, yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm hugely appreciative of the fact that
actually having this has been a good distraction, a good, a good
sort of way out, as it were justfrom, from sort of normal,
normal things or bad things. And yeah, I, I, I'm really
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grateful to have been here sort of like intermittently, but to
to be, have been here anyway, season 3 to this season.
And I hope like, you know, we will carry on sort of at least
being in touch even if SEO doesn't exist in this, in this
format, but at least like, you know, having the ability to sort
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of like reach out. And I think that's just really
important. And yeah, it's, it's been, it's
been an important thing for me. Well, I mean, thank you so much
for sharing that. I mean, it's obviously a very,
very personal thing to to be able to share.
And you know, I think it also speaks to part of why we
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actually saw that the discord for solo Champions League ended
up being kind of the nicest places that Innsmith Bear is a
kind and considerate person, andhe tried to imbue the community
with that. Absolutely.
For sure, yeah. And so that's, you know, I think
it's just kind of it's, you know, it's a bit of a, you know,
(38:01):
a branch of, of the community that Elizabeth Bear was hoping
to, to be able to, to create. And, you know, like that your
story kind of just kind of reinforces that that sort of
idea. So thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing that.
And I, I do, you know, I do likethe idea of, you know, when you
are with a person a lot and especially if there's
(38:23):
challenging times, it can be hard to have conversations that
aren't just about that. And so like you and Henry, being
able to strategize about the rounds, you know, gave you an
ability to focus on a thing thatwas bringing you both joy.
And I think that's just kind of seems like an amazingly positive
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thing to have been able to engage with.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
OK, let's jump to one final thing.
And so this is, is there a standout game, round or result
from your time in the league that you'll you'll never forget?
Tyler, shall we jump to you? Sure, and I'm going to take this
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a different way. Like I actually I'm, I'm really
bad at my remembering my rounds.But for me, I think the standout
thing that I any, any round thatI ended up getting like one of
the honorific titles or something like that was always
like, I was pleased because I've, I've had a goal for long
for, for quite a while now. Like I wanted, I wanted to get
(39:27):
every little like tag that I possibly could in, in SCL.
And I've got so many of them. I, I, there's some that I, I'll
never get. Like I was never going to get
the overall leader. I was, I think I was for like
one or two rounds. I was flight 1, but I don't
officially have that one, But I have so many other ones.
I've got seasoned gold, silver and bronze, a round on gold,
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silver and bronze. I've even got a I can't get
season 1 veteran, but I got season 2 and 3 veteran.
The only two that I I, I'm I've been toying with, do I just need
to go for these and who cares what my score is, is the 2 I
don't have that I need to get isscroll or no Coulson
commendation in agent of Hydra. And I think for me, like I've
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gotten so many of these and I'velike last season, do I spend 222
rounds where I make sure that I am losing?
One of them just horribly and one of them just doing so well
and yet still losing. It's tempting.
Any time I would get one of those, I'd be thrilled to like
I've got another badge. I've got another badge added to
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my my name and I'm excited aboutthat.
So I think that's for me, like the most memorable ones are
those ones, but I'd get something there just be just
because it was a little like mini game for myself.
And so I may play that mini gameone more time this season.
Nice of you to let us know. I mean, honestly.
Yeah, I, I should, I should, I guess I should let the, the, the
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Bears know that hey, I might be throwing a couple round games
this for my season. I love that.
I love that baby corn. What do you have?
Oh, I was trying to memo throughall my games.
Which one's the one that stood out.
I think for me, there was AII really enjoyed a note.
(41:16):
There was a Nova justice versus Venom goblin.
I can't remember the modular set, but it was a it was like a
round 5 howl. It was it was a it was a
nightmare unless you played Nova.
It was just one of those like, Oh, actually, this is all right.
And I remember like we're doing it doing it.
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I did, I think one practice gameand then just just went for it.
And I think by game two, I kind of thought, oh, you know what, I
should, I should sort of write, write down every sort of every
action that I make just so that I can have it on record.
I can put it put it on the Marvel CDB and and get out there
and then the write up took about45 minutes to write up because
(41:59):
it was so long. It was.
It was. Such a lot it was, it was the
unleashed no force. OK, so it's going to be about 3
pages of write ups, but I, I, I enjoyed that it was, it was a,
it was a lot of fun for me. Tough round.
It was really tough round, but it was, it was a lot of fun, But
that was the one that stuck up for me.
It was like season 17. It was.
(42:20):
It was fairly recent. I was trying to remember the
specific round but it was the first time that I don't know if
it was anybody, but it was certainly the first time that I
had scored a one turn victory inthe league.
(42:41):
Wow. Because it was, it was one of
those ones where in Smith Bear had brought in, you know,
something like the the rise of the Red Skull upgrades that you
can ditch to go get an ally or draw 5 cards or, you know, one
of those types of rounds. And it was a round one, I think
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kind of. So it wasn't that difficult.
And it was, you know, get Nick Fury and just go.
And it might have been, it mighthave been a Nova round.
I honestly don't remember the details of it, but I just
remember the sheer delight in realizing that it was possible
to actually do it in one round and then actually accomplishing
that. That's awesome.
(43:25):
I don't know if I've I can't Oh,go ahead.
I don't know if I've ever gottena round one victory, even non
SCL. So that's awesome.
Well. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly not
a thing I try outside of that. I know with, you know, Deadpool,
for example, it's definitely a very reasonable thing to do in
solo. But it yeah, it was just it was
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all the pieces fit together. And because ends with Ferrer is
often throwing in not just speedbumps, but things that actually
helped the heroes as well to make things interesting that
there was just there was such a neat opportunity there to do it.
It was very fun. Well, let me let me thank both
(44:07):
of you for for joining. It was really a pleasure to get
to hear you both chatting about the league.
Maybe check in with final thoughts, baby corn?
Any final thoughts on the way out?
I hope we, I mean, I just hope we sort of carry on this
community and I'm sure we will all be in touch anyway.
(44:28):
And I'm sure Elizabeth Bear willbe looking forward to new
pastures with his first and second child.
And yeah, no, I hope, I hope we,we, we carry on as a community.
And I think we will in some formor some guys.
And I I particularly look forward to sort of catching up
(44:51):
in person, hopefully at next year's kind of heroes.
Exactly, and hopefully you won'thave to leave for a wedding or
anything like that. Exactly.
No, I may need to ask my first, but you know, it's fingers
crossed. Tyler.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I say anything in many ways like yeah,
(45:14):
I'm, I'm hoping and looking forward to the community
continuing in, in maybe not in in rounds, but in spirit still
and still continuing discussionsand still having opportunities
to come together at Conic Heroeswherever else.
But I'm just extremely thankful to all the people who have been
present, both those who are no longer active and those who who
(45:38):
are new. And it's just for people's
willingness to jump in and to, to have fun and have discussions
and. And then, yeah, most of all, I I
can't think in this. Fair enough for his time, his
energy, his joy in doing it all.Yeah.
I, I, I'm so grateful for all that he did to put this league
(46:01):
together and to keep it going and to create such a welcoming
and friendly environment. I am forever grateful and can't
wait to actually get to finally have a game with him in person
someday, hopefully and, and complete, complete having a game
with all the bears, all the, allof our alliance at some point.
(46:22):
But yeah, so grateful for him, grateful for this entire
community and thankful for also for, for the work you've done
Joss with, with this podcast as a way to kind of help kind of
continue that discussion on a, on a different area as well.
And being able to jump in every once in a while to have those
conversations and have the joy to discuss the, the baby corn
(46:43):
decks or the, the, the fast, thefaster than Quicksilver decks or
whatever they are. And just, yeah, I'm, I'm
gratitude. That's only the, the word that
comes back. I'm just so grateful for this
community and the time that we've had over these past five
years. Well, I think that is a great
sentiment to end on. Oh baby porn please.
Yeah, Hey, hey, I absolutely second that and thank you, Joss
(47:04):
as well. It's been, it's been great.
You have to chat with everybody as well.
Yeah, I've, I mean, I didn't addthat to, to any of my thoughts,
but you know, I've really valuedthis ability to get to sit down
and have chats with people. And, you know, I think we were
all looking forward to getting to meet each other at kind of
(47:25):
Heroes. But I, I feel for me, just
having had those extended conversations with people really
kind of increased that even further for me, just that that
really feeling like I got to know people and looking forward
to finally getting to meet them in person.
Definitely. Absolutely.
(47:46):
OK. Well, thank you both.
Thank. You.
We will. We will talk again in some
capacity, of course. Thank you very much.
Absolutely, Absolutely.
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