July 3, 2025 • 34 mins
The celebration of wrestling history takes center stage as the hosts announce that Herb Simmons will be inducted into the St. Louis Wrestling Hall of Fame for the class of 2026. When Simmons joins the conversation, we're treated to a fascinating yet troubling behind-the-scenes look at a publishing controversy involving Abdullah the Butcher. According to Simmons, Abdullah collaborated on an autobiography but isn't receiving royalties from sales. The discussion highlights the ongoing challenges wrestling legends face even after their in-ring careers end.
WWE Hall of Famer Teddy Long shines throughout with his signature candor and humor, sharing untold stories from his illustrious career. He reveals the organic origin of his famous "one-on-one with the Undertaker" catchphrase—a spontaneous moment that caught Vince McMahon's attention—and recounts how Big Show once threw him from the ring without warning. When asked about "ring rats" (wrestling groupies), Long provides a straightforward explanation of this aspect of wrestling's road culture that many fans have heard about but few understand. The episode reaches peak entertainment when Long shares an unprintable yet hilarious story about Big Daddy V and Viagra that will leave listeners in stitches.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
and we certainly hope everyone has a fantastic fourth
of july independence day no,you do not wish everybody have a
fancy, nothing come on.
You're right.
There are some people, I hopehave a horrible weekend well,
well, they must be related toyou.
Hello everybody, Welcome to anall-new Wrestling's Road Trip
(00:32):
After Hours.
I'm your host, Mike Davis, andthat, of course, is Mr WWE Hall
of Famer, Teddy Long.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And you're wondering what I'm doing.
I'm trying to get my light onhere.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I was wondering what you're doing.
He waited.
We had that entire opening.
He could have done that, but no, no, no, he's gonna sit here
and mess with it while we golive.
Uh, we're trying to get by theway.
We're there we go, I got it ohyeah, now just get the camera on
you.
There you go there, you oldpeanut head, okay, hey, look
here, teddy, I you know the lasttime we talked uh on on the
(01:03):
show last week I was telling youI was getting ready to go in
for that surgery uh from ashoulder and a tricep and bicep.
Brother, you know me, I hatetaking pain medication.
I don't trust it.
It just scares the hell out ofme.
So I'm one of those guys thatjust I'll just deal with the
pain.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, oh boy, they gave me a, uh, a nerve block in
the arm.
You know, when I got that nerveblock, I was like, oh man, I'm
doing good.
Yeah, I was good here now.
And uh, it ended up that thatnerve block only lasts about
maybe 48 hours if you're lucky.
And when it wore off, brother,those pain pills came into play
real quick.
It's the only way I could getany sleep.
I went almost a day and a halfwith zero sleep and finally I
just took one of the pain pillsbecause I play real quick, it's
the only way we had to get anysleep.
I went almost a day and a halfwith zero sleep and finally I
just took one of the pain pillsbecause I was tired.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You got to have them, man, I'm telling you that pain
is unreal.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Absolutely incredible , but it's better now, thank
goodness.
It's just got to take time toheal Bill Abder's wife, by the
way.
She had the same surgery doneon her shoulder and they caught
me up in the middle of the nightlast night because she was in a
lot of pain.
I said it's that nerve block'swearing off, but he's having to
play nursemaid for his wife.
(02:13):
So I feel sorry for my poorwife.
I keep going in there like canyou help me get the shirt on?
Can you help me get up, youknow, get some deodorant under
my arm, because I couldn't liftmy arm hard enough.
And oh my God, it's just.
But we're trying to.
We were hoping we'd have HerbSimmons in here with us tonight,
but Herb's having a hard timegetting connected through the
link we sent and it's the samelink that Teddy's using.
(02:35):
So I'm not exactly sure whatissue he may be having.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, I think Herb is , you know, I think he's
relapsed.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
No, is you know?
I think he's relapsed.
No, no, no, don't say that.
Look, I do want to saysomething.
I was hoping he'd be in herewhen I did this, but I do want
to make an announcement, justtell him to put the bottle down
Herb.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
If you've relapsed, just be truthful with yourself,
okay, and just call us after youget about three or four more in
, then I know you're ready.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I do want to mention.
You know, we go to the St LouisWrestling Hall of Fame and the
SICW Fan Fest every year sinceits beginning and it's been a
fantastic family of people thatwe're there with every year,
including Herb Simmons, who Iwas hoping, like I said, to have
on the show, and I just heardand got the announcement last
week and I wanted to make theannouncement when he was with us
live, but I got to do it nowbecause it's already public
(03:27):
anyhow.
But, teddy, you may not haveseen this and a lot of people
may not know, but look at this,mr Herb Simmons, let's see it's
not sitting up there, right?
We can't get it?
Hang on for a minute, hang on,I'll get this right.
Teddy, this is driving me crazy.
There we go, there we go, therewe go, there we go.
Here's Herb Simmons.
He is going into the St LouisWrestling Hall of Fame.
(03:50):
He has been entered in for theclass of 2026.
And, teddy, I can't think of abetter person when it comes to
the St Louis Wrestling Hall ofFame.
What a better person to go in,the guy who basically, you know,
keeps that era of wrestlingalive, a guy who basically keeps
that era of wrestling alive.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, he's put everybody else in, so why not do
it for himself?
And I just want to saycongratulations to him.
I mean you couldn't give it toa better person, one of the
greatest and nicest promotersthat I've ever known, and a guy
that's always been fair.
You know what I mean.
It's a guy that you could trust, and there ain't too many of
them in this business, but HerbSimmons is one of them.
(04:25):
So congratulations to you, Herb.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Also, let me make mention that we had a t-shirt
giveaway.
I didn't have the picture lastweek.
I do have it this week.
I don't want to share that withyou as well.
This is one of our t-shirtwinners where you ask questions
later on the show and if Teddychooses your question as the
question of the week, you get afree Road Trip After Hours
t-shirt.
This is one of our recentwinners and this is Mr Buddy
(04:47):
Buddy with his Road Trip AfterHours t-shirt.
I understand he loves thatshirt and we're happy that he
won.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
We love Mr Buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh, we do.
Buddy is somebody that, ifyou're in the Southern region
for wrestling and independentwrestling, Buddy is the guy that
it seems like he's at everyshow.
His mother gets him around tothese shows and lets him enjoy
professional wrestling on theindependent level.
I've seen him even at WWE shows.
I think he's going to as well.
(05:17):
Really a great fan and happy tosee him wearing that shirt.
All right, Teddy, since Herbjust messaged me saying he still
can't get in, so we'll have tohopefully get him on another
show.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, we could just kind of mention it.
We just wanted to really getHerb Simmons in to talk to us
about.
There's something going aroundnow about Abdullah.
The Butcher has written a bookand he teamed up with somebody,
and the person that he teamed upwith to write the book, I think
they went on and startedselling the book and making
money off the book and they'renot giving Abdullah not one
(05:48):
penny of it, and so Herb knows alot about that and he was going
to come in and tell us about it.
So if we can't get him thisweek, maybe we'll get him next
week or maybe we can get him torecord something for us and tell
us a little bit about it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, because that's unfortunate.
When somebody takes advantageof somebody else in that way,
especially you're usingsomeone's name, their likeness,
you're writing books about themand suddenly the agreements you
make don't last, that's not goodbusiness, not good business at
all.
So anytime we can expose badbusiness, I have no issue with
that.
As long as we know that it'sbad business, I want everybody
(06:22):
to know.
Stay away.
You had some history with Abdulthea the Butcher.
Teddy, let me just ask youwhile we got a couple minutes,
here was Abdua for you.
I know you had told me a storyone time where you took your
wife Was it your wife?
To his house to have dinner Isthat who it was?
Or something and he thought youwere bringing in a side piece
(06:43):
with you maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, no, thought you were bringing in a side, uh, a
side piece with you, maybe.
No, no, what it was?
Uh, before I uh married mydeceased wife tasha, uh, my son
antoine's mother I've only hadtwo, uh, antoine's mother.
So then I was dating tasha,well, cheating anyway.
So I took tasha to uhabdullah's house, okay, and so
when we all there's her.
And so when we got toabdullah's house, okay, and so
(07:04):
when we oh there's Herb, and sowhen we got to Abdullah's house,
he looks up and he knows mywife, he saw it wasn't her.
And he says to me you can't dothat, champ, you can't do that.
You can't ride with a champ,somebody will see you.
You can't do that champ, ohyeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So he was trying to smarten me up to yeah man, you
got to be kayfabe.
Herb Simmons, welcome into theroom.
You finally got in, huh.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh man, I'm telling you, of course I didn't have to
get in.
I could have just sit here allnight and listen to you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I told him you'd relapse Herb, and that's why
he's having problems.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
When you get to be my age, you just can't get these
fingers to work right.
But I'm telling you what I feellike I've hit the top of the
mountain now.
I've done Briscoe and Bradshawand now I'm at the top of the
mountain with Mac Davis andTeddy Long.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh yeah, much better show than Briscoe and Bradshaw,
oh wow wow, wow.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh, I can't wait to tell Bradshaw that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Wow, oh, I can't wait to tell
Bradshaw that.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, can youimagine that big clothesline
coming?
Yes, he does.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I got to tell you that to me would be a fun
crossover, teddy and I, withGerald and JBL.
I would love to have thatcrossover because, man, I can
imagine the stories we would getout of that.
Let's talk about the story ofuh abdul, the butcher in the
book.
Can you kind of clue us intowhat all this uh hoopla is about
?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
well, yeah, it's, it's a bunch of hoopla and I'm
still waiting for the books.
You know, uh, they weresupposed to be delivered to st
louis for fan fest uh, lastmonth and I had uh fans that
showed up there that was comingto purchase them and to meet
abby because he was there andthey could have got an autograph
, and so you know that wholeordeal I got drug into it
(08:50):
because Abby's a friend of mineand whether what some people
think of him or not, I don'tcare.
He's been a friend to me sinceBruiser Brody introduced me back
in the early 80s and so, youknow, I had them on my show, on
my Sunday night show on YouTube,and uh interviewed Abby and Ms
(09:11):
Malik, uh, when they weregetting ready to come in, and
they asked me if the uh uhgentleman who had written a book
could join in.
I said, sure, why not?
You know he was going to cometo St Louis, he was going to be
there with him, and so, uh, hejoined in that night on the uh
call, just like we're doing here.
I mean, we're talking about it.
He, uh, I talked with Abby, Italked with Ms Malik.
(09:34):
They were bragging about thejob that he was doing Um, and he
was bragging about how greatthey were to work with, and he
was excited about coming to StLouis and he even said, man, I'd
love to talk to you about doingyour book.
And I said, well, yeah, we'lltalk.
You know, everybody keepstelling me that I need to put
pen to paper, and after 52 years.
And so I thought, well, I wasgoing to wait and see what kind
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of job he did with Abby's bookand then I would talk to him,
and so that that whole processstarted falling apart there
shortly after you know, I talkwith Abby more or less, and this
Malik they even sent me a copyof the contract.
I have that with theirsignatures on it.
You know, recently I offered MrRushing that I would pay for a
(10:23):
handwriting analysis because heclaims that there was some
forgery going on.
And I said the only thing is,I'd want all of you is not just
him, all three of them to take apolygraph test.
Now, we know polygraph testsaren't admissible, but it at
least lets one's mind come toease.
Well, I got crickets after Idid that, you know, of course.
(10:45):
Yeah, go ahead, teddy.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
If you can remember who was the guy that was writing
the book.
I run into one guy that I foundout not to be so straight too.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
He was a guy that did Medusa's book.
No, this wasn't him.
His name's Scott Rushing.
I mean, I'll say it because hisname's been out there and I
don't know anything about him.
He, his name's Scott Rushing.
I mean, I'll say it because hisname's been out there and I
don't know anything about him.
He may be the best guy thatever walked on a pair of legs,
but I've talked to him on ourshow, on our interview, and then
I've talked to him more or lessthrough text messages and I
think maybe one or two phonecalls we've had.
(11:19):
You know, he told me how he wasbasically brought into Fritz von
Erich's stable when he was 10,19 years old and that Fritz
showed him the business, which Ikind of red flag that, because
the Fritz that I met a couple oftimes in St Louis with Sam
(11:41):
Fritz didn't give me theimpression back then that he was
going to be smartening up anine or ten year old boy to the
business.
But again, it's his story.
He gets to tell it the way hewants to, and so, you know, one
thing led to another.
He missed Malik, and Abby askedif I would accept the shipment
of the books here.
That way, there they didn'thave to worry about having them
(12:02):
on the plane and hauling them.
And he said well, I'm going toship you 500 books.
I said oh no, you're not,because you're not going to sell
500 books.
He said, you know, bring 40 or50 of them with you and we'll
try to try to get rid of them.
Well, you know, books havenever arrived, and you know,
then I find out.
Well, the first book that cameout it was only 100 and some
(12:22):
pages, and you know, man, Icould write 100 pages on Abby
myself, and so now I understandit's been corrected a little bit
.
I think somebody said it's acouple hundred pages now, but
there was just a lot of thesered flags and I hated to be drug
into it, but because of friendswith Abby, I just wanted to.
(12:43):
I got fans that are stillsaying when can we get a book?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I said I don't know if you want to get a book, right
now he's not even getting anykind of revenue from this
whatsoever, is he?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, that was the other part of the arrangements
that I even made.
There was in.
This was from Mr Rushinghimself.
There was three hundred andsome dollars and Miss Malik had
sent me the PayPal, the threetransaction transactions, and it
totaled like three hundred andthirty five dollars.
I told Mr Rushing I would payyou that money also if you won.
(13:17):
Also, if you one took ahandwriting analysis and a
polygraph test, I'll send youthat $337, because that's what
he claimed was royalties, thatthey had been fronted, and I've
got those three receipts thatthey sent me and that was what
and I've heard him talk aboutthat on a couple other podcasts
(13:38):
that he's been on and, um, soyou know, 300 some dollars in
royalty is not a lot if you'vebeen selling, uh, and he claims
he's got a second printing inthe book out already.
So it tells me, so where is allthat money going to?
Um, so again, it's, it's.
It's a sad, sad thing, uh,because, like I said, I don't
(13:58):
know the gentleman.
He may be be the greatest guyout there, but he just threw red
flags up.
He told me that he knew LalaniKai.
He told me he knew Judy Martin.
He was working on her book.
He knew Barbara Goodish.
I called Barbara.
Barbara said well, I just knowhim through Facebook.
I called Lalani, I know himthrough Facebook.
(14:19):
To me, leilani, I know himthrough Facebook, so to me
that's not being good friends.
So those were other red flags.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, hopefully that all gets settled and Abby won't
get screwed in the end, andthat's the main thing.
I hate seeing any of the guysgetting screwed over like that,
and we were saying this beforeyou got in here.
Anytime we can bring light tosome people you may want to be
aware of, I have no issue doingthat Because I don't want to see
(14:49):
the business get to be whereeverybody has to be worried.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Somebody's going to screw them any more than they
already do.
Well, as you two know, thisbusiness has had a bad rap for
many years and I don't want tobe a part of that.
I want to deal with people whoare above board, because I've
tried to do that in all mycareer and I think I've done a
good job at that.
So if I want to take face value, I go back to the.
(15:14):
Sam Muchnick made the deal withthe gentleman who owned the
Chase Park Plaza Hotel.
Nick made the deal with thegentleman who owned a Chase Park
Plaza hotel.
They shook a hand on anairplane and had a honeymoon
from 1959 to 1983.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And that's the kind of relationship I like.
Real quick, before we get youout of here, herb.
I did show this earlier.
I want to show this again.
I see that Herb Simmons isgoing into the St Louis
Wrestling Hall of Fame next year.
It's well-deserved, herb.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, I want to clarify.
You know the locker room boys.
Last month we had a show goingon.
I had Tommy Wildfire Rich withus that night and I'm sitting
out at the meet-and-greet tablewith him and my son, jason,
comes and gets to me and saysDad, come on, you've got to get
(16:04):
in the locker room right away.
And I'm thinking there betternot be nobody in my locker room
fighting because after 52 years.
I've never had that problem.
And he said, no, come on, comeon.
I said no, I'm out here withTom, no, come on.
So I go back there.
And as soon as I opened thedoor, my wife is standing there
on her walker and uh, I'mthinking now this is unusual
because she, she knows that it'ssacred ground even for her.
And uh, so uh, and all the boysare gathered around the doorway
(16:26):
and they break this news to me.
And the story of the st louiswrestling hall of fame was larry
matasek and myself and our nickred and our your good friend,
uh love nick uh, who was thebrainchild of ours, and a couple
other gentlemen we brought into help the first couple of
inductions to that Hall of Fame.
(16:47):
Larry always wanted that to bea Hall of Fame.
That meant something.
And so we kind of said thelegends, you know, the Sam
Muchnicks, the Johnny Valentines, the Luthers, the Pat O'Connors
, you name it, the Funks, theBriscoes, that was the people
who put the butts in the seatsin St Louis.
(17:08):
So we've always kept it thatway.
It's always been those whoworked wrestling at the Chase,
at the Keele Auditorium, at theSt Louis Checkeredome.
I didn't do that, I haven'tbeen a worker and so I told him.
I said you know, I don't wantto open up that can of worms
because then next time somebodycomes up that maybe had a couple
of shows says, hey, I want tobe in the St Louis hall of fame,
(17:30):
then it causes me a headache.
So I haven't made up my mind ifI'm going to love it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I did hear through the grapevine that you didn't
have a lot of say-so because,like you mentioned, your wife
was in the back and she prettymuch said you will do this.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Of course it is.
Of course it's, true.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, you know the old saying happy wife happy life
and for 50 years we've beentogether.
Years we've been together.
But as I was trying to explainmy reasoning to the group to the
boys I mean out of the blue,it's just like herb shut up and
I looked at her girl.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I will send you to the moon, you know?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
oh, that's great yeah , if she's standing over, she's
standing over there cooking, soyou better be nice then, because
if she's cooking dinner you youwant to make sure you can eat
what she serves yeah, and she'sgot a knife in her hands
dangerous well, herb.
Congratulations uh for the hallof fame, uh entry for next year
and also, uh, man, we weappreciate you stopping by and
I'm sorry you had so muchtrouble getting in here no
(18:35):
problem, I appreciate it and uhuh, you guys do a fantastic job.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I try to catch you all the time that I can, and I
love it when I hear Teddytalking.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, herb, you have a great night.
Tell the wife we said hello andwe'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And you guys have a happy 4th of July this weekend,
herb, and once again,congratulations.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
All right, Teddy, let's get in.
We do have a few questions.
I want to get in here.
I want to go into the chat.
Make sure we're not, cause wegot some people in here.
I want to make sure we get tothem as well.
Let's see, Pretty classy ladyis in here with us.
She's stopping by.
Zach Minger is in here as well.
In here as well.
Happy 4th of July.
Let's see what is this.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Thank you, zach, same to you and your family.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Let's see Pretty classic.
Lady Mac, you know old folksneed that pain medicine.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Just kidding Better tell him, tell him again.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Let's see Also we have Joey77.
Yo Mac Holla player Teddy Long.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Holla player.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Let's see what else do we have here.
Salute to the panel.
That's from LA Sports Live.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, thank you guys very much, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Joey's saying Teddy has the best dance moves.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Of course I do.
I got them from my grandson.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yes, you did.
Hey, look here.
We do have a few questions thatI want to get in here before we
close out.
Um, first of all, adam fromfacebook writes teddy was the
one-on-one with the undertakeryour idea or a writer's idea?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
no, it was my idea.
It really wasn't an idea.
Uh, the way it happened, uh, Itold this story.
Uh, we was in madison squaregarden one night and, uh, vince
came out and he was talking toStephanie, I think she had went
out and introduced somebody andhe was telling her about he
wanted a little bit moreemphasis on the name.
You know, when she introducedhim, you know, give, you know,
give me that, and I justoverheard it, you know, and I
(20:32):
didn't say a word, but Iremembered it.
And so when I went out thatnight to introduce the
Undertaker, that's the firstthing I remember Vince wanted
that that high, you know, input.
And so I said one-on-one withthe undertaker, you know, and I
come back by and he looks at meand he just thumbs up and I, you
know, I keep right on walking,but I came up, I did that myself
(20:53):
.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He also asking the same question and I don't know
if you'll remember, rememberthis, do you remember the first
time you used it, which you know?
You remember that, but do youremember who it was in the ring,
what the situation was?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
no, I don't I was about to say I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Hey, that's just so many things like that.
Yeah, man, I don't put so many.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't put so many people in matches with the
undertaker.
I can't remember all that andtaker said it right.
I mean takaker was talking tome.
He says to me so every time youget pissed off at somebody, you
put them with me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Let's see Logan Ball.
Not Logan Paul, but Logan Ballwants to know have you ever been
hit in the ring or a wrestlingmove applied where they actually
hurt you?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think one time my big show it threw me out of the
ring and he grabbed me and hedidn't tell me and he didn't
give me time to grab the secondrope so I could break my fall,
so I just went straight throughand hit the ground.
Man, oh, that's when Vince gotpissed, right?
Yeah, that's when Vince gotpissed as I walked back.
I think I hit my knee orsomething, but I couldn't even
(21:59):
hardly walk and he looked at meand he told me.
He said don't you ever letanybody throw you around like
that again.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Do you know if he got on the big show about it?
No, I don't know whether he didor not, because I went on back
to the trainer's office so theycould see what was wrong.
Let's see John Roberts IIIsaying hey, teddy, and Mac hey,
john, good to have you in here.
I'm glad all you guys come inhere each week.
We certainly appreciate thatand if you will share the link
around, our subscriber countkeeps going up and it's because
(22:28):
you do this each and every week.
You share it and you let peopleknow that we're out there, and
I can't tell you how much weappreciate that, because we
don't get paid to come here.
We just come here because weenjoy this.
We like to stay in contact withthe fans and Teddy likes to
answer your questions, so wehave a good time doing this.
All right, I like this question.
I saw this earlier, teddy Sissyin Mississippi.
(22:51):
Teddy, I've always heardstories about ring rats.
Can you explain?
I don't know where this isgoing to go?
Can you explain why they callthem that and do you have any
ring rat stories?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, I don't have any ring rat stories.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I really don't.
I really don't, because backthat time you just couldn't be
fooling around with the ringrats.
Explain what a ring rat isfirst.
The around with the ring rats,you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Explain what a ring rat is first.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, the guys named them ring rats, and these were
the girls that would come to theairport, pick the guys up.
They didn't have to worry aboutno rental car.
They'd drive them to the hotels.
Then, after the hotel, they'dtake them to dinner, drive them
wherever they needed to go, andsome of them even after the show
, you know, went back to thehotel with them and spent the
night with them.
So that's really that's what aring rat was.
I'm shocked.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Have you heard any good ring rat stories?
Maybe not you, but anythingthat you can remember somebody
saying man you won't believe Iwould imagine that was very
common.
I can just imagine, when you'reon the road as much as these
guys were.
They probably had a girlfriendin every town.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Oh, of course, man, people would pick you up right
at the airport.
Man, you didn't have to worryabout nothing Back then.
You needed that because youwasn't making a whole lot of
money so you couldn't affordrental cars and stuff.
So those ring rats were a lotof help.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Kind of like the rock and roll groupies Herb.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Simmons says to be careful about that question.
About the ring rat stories.
La Sports Live.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Teddy, who was the toughest female wrestler you
came across and who do you thinkis the toughest of the bunch
now?
Low-key, I think TiffanyStratton is pretty strong and
tough.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, the person I really like God rest her soul
was Chyna.
I thought she was really toughin the ring.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Who do you think today is that tough version?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I like Jade Cargill I think she's that version and I
don't want to just give it toher, because there's another
person that too, that RheaRipley.
She really impresses me.
And don't forget, you know, mybaby mama, naya Jack.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh, yeah, well you can't forget her.
You're in trouble.
All right, let's see we do haveyou got a couple more minutes
If you want to get in somequestions here?
We left off a few nameassociations last week.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I want to get to them today, since we have a little
bit of time uh, and they'reinteresting because some of
these I'm not even sure ifyou'll remember big daddy v.
Now I know you remember him.
Any stories about big daddy v?
Oh, did I ever tell you thestory about?
I sold him some viagra and thatwas the first story and that was
the first time you know, uh, hehad had any viagra.
So the next thing, I know he hetakes it and I mean there's no
girl around you know you whytakes it.
And I mean there's no girlaround, you know why?
Would you take my average?
There's no girl.
So he takes it in the lockerroom.
So, and about 20 minutes afterthat I come by him and he looks
(25:48):
at me and he calls me hey, comehere, come here.
And he I swear this is a truestory.
And he says you know what?
I look down at my shit and Isaid who is this?
Where did what?
I looked down at my shit and Isaid who is this?
Where did this come from?
I swear that's a true.
He says I look down at me.
I'm like who's this belong to?
(26:09):
Yeah, that's a true story.
Man, oh god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
The pretty classic lady finds that funny.
Let's see Currently bands inhere.
Hey, currently man.
Good to see you.
Hey, Teddy and Mac, I got aquestion how was it working with
Hornswoggle?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh, I had a good time with him.
He was really entertaining andfunny.
So he was easy to work withbecause you know I could do
stuff with him that would makehim laugh and make me be real
serious.
So me and Hornswoggle, we did alot of funny, a lot of good
stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Let's see another one of those names Tajiri.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Any memories about Tajiri?
Just a great guy, I mean.
He's always had a greatattitude, you know, nice to work
with and everything, and that'sabout it.
What did Tajiri do?
I think he fooled everybody andtold them he couldn't drive or
something.
And then they found out hecould drive.
He had guys driving him around,then he got busted.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean, I imagine the heat he took for that
especially the people he rodewith.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh brother.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I bet he drove every day, after that Every night too.
Yeah, man Tatanka.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Another great guy I've worked with man Tertanka.
Yeah, yeah, super nice.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And the last one on the list we have here is Tori
Wilson.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Tori Wilson yeah, she's very entertaining.
That was Billy Kidman's wifeand I had a chance to work with
them.
Yeah, at once.
Yeah, she was married to him,but I remember a story about her
, one time man and I don't know.
You know, billy, I love him todeath, man, but you got a wife
like Tori Wilson man, you got tobe a little nicer and he left
her at an arena in Detroit Ithink we were in Michigan
(27:48):
somewhere and she had no ride,man, you know.
So somebody gave her a ride, Idon't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
but guys, I can't imagine she had a hard time
finding a ride.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
How do you leave Tori Wilson?
I don't know how you do that.
I would be the first one in thecar.
I'd make sure she was there.
The meltdown Brian is in here.
Happy fourth guys.
And happy fourth to you too,brian.
Good to see you in here.
And also, let's see, johnRoberts might be our last one in
here for the night.
What was it like being a ref inone of Sting's matches?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Just like any other one man.
They're not all the same, but Imean, basically you're running
the same course, but Sting wasalways a nice guy.
He was a great guy to work withtoo.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
With Sting.
He always came across ineverything we see him in.
Afterwards he comes across,like you say, a really nice guy.
When he first started, though,in WCW, he had a little bit more
of a wild side about him,didn't he?
And then he calmed down, Isthat right?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, yeah Well, he had been working with him in
Ultimate Warrior, you know, andthey had that wild and crazy
gimmick when they were workingfor Bill Watts down there, so
they had to kind of bring himout of that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, sting for me when I was growing up.
When people ask me who was myfavorite champion of my time, I
like a lot of champions.
I like Dusty Rhodes, I like RicFlair.
But now I would go back andwatch older shows because that's
just who I am.
So that's the reason I say Ilike these guys.
But during my 20s I guess itwas late teens, in the early 20s
maybe Sting was on fire andSting was the guy man.
(29:19):
Everything he did, man.
I would just tune into anythingSting did so a lot of times.
He gets overlooked for beingone of the greatest champions,
but during my lifetime he reallywas one of the greatest
champions that I remember.
His matches were alwaysexciting.
The storylines were always welldone.
There was a lot of activity inthose matches.
As far as stories go and Teddy,you know what I'm talking about
(29:41):
he just it's different nowbecause they rush things, but
back then they could take theirtime telling stories and it was
interesting to watch.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, you had to take your time back then because you
had to draw money.
Yes, okay, yeah.
But you know, with so muchgoing on now, you know what I
mean.
It ain't a whole lot you haveto do.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
No, unfortunate Joey77,.
Teddy, did you enjoy your timeas general manager?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I enjoyed my time.
Yes, I did, and I mean, in fact, anything that I ever done.
I enjoyed my time.
I had fun with managing when Iwas a good guy.
I had fun managing when I was aheel and when I went to GM.
I had fun with that and that'show you're supposed to do.
That's how you last so long,you make your job fun and you
get get out.
You do it right.
Especially, you go walk backthrough that curtain and Vince
McMahon is standing upcomplimenting you.
That tells you something rightthere and that that's good.
That's good too, because thatmakes you want to really work
(30:31):
and do your job.
If you're making Vince happyand that's all I ever wanted to
do was make him happy I didn'tgive a shit about none of the
rest of them.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
John Roberts III said a 45-minute draw, talking about
staying with Ric Flair.
Clash of Champions I mean theClash of Champions shows too, by
the way, those were free on TBS.
They were great shows to watch.
I missed that.
I felt like when AEW startedthat maybe we'd get back to that
kind of feel and era ofwrestling.
And then it kind of went offtrack after a while,
(31:00):
unfortunately, but there was asure sign that maybe it could
come back.
Unfortunately, we just won'thave that, teddy.
We are out of time.
We're actually a little bitover and I appreciate everybody
sticking along with us, but wegot kind of a late start here so
we wanted to pop in and leaveit a little bit longer, if we
could.
Teddy, anything coming up foryou that we need to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, everything's kind of on the quiet side for me,
and I'm glad Me and Rufus aregoing to have ourselves a good
time tomorrow, 4th of July, soI'm thinking about maybe getting
him a steak or something Got toget him a treat.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Damn, your dog's going to eat better than I do
he's all I got.
I'll tell you one thing thatI've been dying for.
And here's the 4th of Julyweekend and you talk about
barbecues and everybody having agood time.
We went by on the way.
Back when Teddy and I werecoming back from Jacksonville on
a recent trip, we went to aBucky's and they had this what's
(31:53):
it?
What do you call that damn beefBarbecue, teddy, it's not
shredded barbecue, it's the goodpiece of meat of barbecue.
What am I thinking of, Teddy?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't eat barbecues .
I don't know, no Brisket.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Brisket?
Yes, they have brisketsandwiches.
Oh my God, I would drive maybe,because I have to meet Teddy
next week.
Hopefully there's a Bucky'snearby and I'll go find me one
of those brisket sandwiches.
And if you've never had one andthere's a Bucky's around you, I
promise you that is the bestbrisket I have ever had.
My neighbor makes a greatbrisket, but this one All right,
(32:30):
teddy, I'm out of here and Igot to go get my cats in because
you know they start shootingfireworks and everybody gets
crazy, and I wanted to mentionthis too before we go to.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I mean, I made a comment earlier.
You know that I was was caredjust about making Vince happy
and I didn't give a shit aboutthe rest of them, and I don't
mean everybody.
Those that I didn't give a shitabout was the people that I
knew didn't give a shit about me.
So that's who I'm talking about.
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And pretty classy lady.
Thank you, brisket.
She was trying to help us out.
I appreciate that I couldn'tthink of it.
I can taste it in my mouthright now, but I couldn't think
of the name.
All right, teddy, we've got topick a name for this week.
One of the questions who do youwant to choose this week?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
What was the gentleman there asked a question
earlier about ref or something.
There was a question up thereearlier about Vince oh.
Who came up with the one-on-onewith the Undertaker?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
One-on-one with the Undertaker.
One on one with the Undertaker.
Yeah, that was Adam fromFacebook.
So, adam, that is you wintonight.
One on one with the Undertaker.
Yeah, that's him, adam.
Just reach out to me.
I think I may already have yourinformation, but send it to me
just to be safe, and then we'llget that t-shirt out to you and
make sure you take a picture ofit and send it to us.
(33:39):
We'll put it up on the page,just like anybody else does.
All right, I'm out of here.
I'm about to sweat the death.
This room, for whatever reason,is killing me tonight.
So now you don't have all anypills, no, no.
Well, thank goodness I haven'ttaken any of those pain pills in
the last day and a half nowbecause I've been trying to get
myself off of them.
Like I say, I don't like them.
(34:00):
I guess it's all right, I'm outof here.
By the way, jbl and GeraldBriscoe may not like me right
now, but I still think it wouldbe a fun show for us to have a
crossover, because I can justimagine the stories Well, we
might ought to talk to themabout it.
I think we should do that.
Y'all do the same thing.
(34:21):
Send'm out of here.
Have a fantastic 4th of July.
My friend, call up players.
We'll see you again next week,same time, same place.
and we certainly hope everyone has a fantastic fourth
of july independence day no,you do not wish everybody have a
fancy, nothing come on.
You're right.
There are some people, I hopehave a horrible weekend well,
well, they must be related toyou.
Hello everybody, Welcome to anall-new Wrestling's Road Trip
(00:32):
After Hours.
I'm your host, Mike Davis, andthat, of course, is Mr WWE Hall
of Famer, Teddy Long.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And you're wondering what I'm doing.
I'm trying to get my light onhere.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I was wondering what you're doing.
He waited.
We had that entire opening.
He could have done that, but no, no, no, he's gonna sit here
and mess with it while we golive.
Uh, we're trying to get by theway.
We're there we go, I got it ohyeah, now just get the camera on
you.
There you go there, you oldpeanut head, okay, hey, look
here, teddy, I you know the lasttime we talked uh on on the
(01:03):
show last week I was telling youI was getting ready to go in
for that surgery uh from ashoulder and a tricep and bicep.
Brother, you know me, I hatetaking pain medication.
I don't trust it.
It just scares the hell out ofme.
So I'm one of those guys thatjust I'll just deal with the
pain.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, oh boy, they gave me a, uh, a nerve block in
the arm.
You know, when I got that nerveblock, I was like, oh man, I'm
doing good.
Yeah, I was good here now.
And uh, it ended up that thatnerve block only lasts about
maybe 48 hours if you're lucky.
And when it wore off, brother,those pain pills came into play
real quick.
It's the only way I could getany sleep.
I went almost a day and a halfwith zero sleep and finally I
just took one of the pain pillsbecause I play real quick, it's
the only way we had to get anysleep.
I went almost a day and a halfwith zero sleep and finally I
just took one of the pain pillsbecause I was tired.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You got to have them, man, I'm telling you that pain
is unreal.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Absolutely incredible , but it's better now, thank
goodness.
It's just got to take time toheal Bill Abder's wife, by the
way.
She had the same surgery doneon her shoulder and they caught
me up in the middle of the nightlast night because she was in a
lot of pain.
I said it's that nerve block'swearing off, but he's having to
play nursemaid for his wife.
(02:13):
So I feel sorry for my poorwife.
I keep going in there like canyou help me get the shirt on?
Can you help me get up, youknow, get some deodorant under
my arm, because I couldn't liftmy arm hard enough.
And oh my God, it's just.
But we're trying to.
We were hoping we'd have HerbSimmons in here with us tonight,
but Herb's having a hard timegetting connected through the
link we sent and it's the samelink that Teddy's using.
(02:35):
So I'm not exactly sure whatissue he may be having.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, I think Herb is , you know, I think he's
relapsed.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
No, is you know?
I think he's relapsed.
No, no, no, don't say that.
Look, I do want to saysomething.
I was hoping he'd be in herewhen I did this, but I do want
to make an announcement, justtell him to put the bottle down
Herb.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
If you've relapsed, just be truthful with yourself,
okay, and just call us after youget about three or four more in
, then I know you're ready.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I do want to mention.
You know, we go to the St LouisWrestling Hall of Fame and the
SICW Fan Fest every year sinceits beginning and it's been a
fantastic family of people thatwe're there with every year,
including Herb Simmons, who Iwas hoping, like I said, to have
on the show, and I just heardand got the announcement last
week and I wanted to make theannouncement when he was with us
live, but I got to do it nowbecause it's already public
(03:27):
anyhow.
But, teddy, you may not haveseen this and a lot of people
may not know, but look at this,mr Herb Simmons, let's see it's
not sitting up there, right?
We can't get it?
Hang on for a minute, hang on,I'll get this right.
Teddy, this is driving me crazy.
There we go, there we go, therewe go, there we go.
Here's Herb Simmons.
He is going into the St LouisWrestling Hall of Fame.
(03:50):
He has been entered in for theclass of 2026.
And, teddy, I can't think of abetter person when it comes to
the St Louis Wrestling Hall ofFame.
What a better person to go in,the guy who basically, you know,
keeps that era of wrestlingalive, a guy who basically keeps
that era of wrestling alive.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, he's put everybody else in, so why not do
it for himself?
And I just want to saycongratulations to him.
I mean you couldn't give it toa better person, one of the
greatest and nicest promotersthat I've ever known, and a guy
that's always been fair.
You know what I mean.
It's a guy that you could trust, and there ain't too many of
them in this business, but HerbSimmons is one of them.
(04:25):
So congratulations to you, Herb.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Also, let me make mention that we had a t-shirt
giveaway.
I didn't have the picture lastweek.
I do have it this week.
I don't want to share that withyou as well.
This is one of our t-shirtwinners where you ask questions
later on the show and if Teddychooses your question as the
question of the week, you get afree Road Trip After Hours
t-shirt.
This is one of our recentwinners and this is Mr Buddy
(04:47):
Buddy with his Road Trip AfterHours t-shirt.
I understand he loves thatshirt and we're happy that he
won.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
We love Mr Buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh, we do.
Buddy is somebody that, ifyou're in the Southern region
for wrestling and independentwrestling, Buddy is the guy that
it seems like he's at everyshow.
His mother gets him around tothese shows and lets him enjoy
professional wrestling on theindependent level.
I've seen him even at WWE shows.
I think he's going to as well.
(05:17):
Really a great fan and happy tosee him wearing that shirt.
All right, Teddy, since Herbjust messaged me saying he still
can't get in, so we'll have tohopefully get him on another
show.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, we could just kind of mention it.
We just wanted to really getHerb Simmons in to talk to us
about.
There's something going aroundnow about Abdullah.
The Butcher has written a bookand he teamed up with somebody,
and the person that he teamed upwith to write the book, I think
they went on and startedselling the book and making
money off the book and they'renot giving Abdullah not one
(05:48):
penny of it, and so Herb knows alot about that and he was going
to come in and tell us about it.
So if we can't get him thisweek, maybe we'll get him next
week or maybe we can get him torecord something for us and tell
us a little bit about it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, because that's unfortunate.
When somebody takes advantageof somebody else in that way,
especially you're usingsomeone's name, their likeness,
you're writing books about themand suddenly the agreements you
make don't last, that's not goodbusiness, not good business at
all.
So anytime we can expose badbusiness, I have no issue with
that.
As long as we know that it'sbad business, I want everybody
(06:22):
to know.
Stay away.
You had some history with Abdulthea the Butcher.
Teddy, let me just ask youwhile we got a couple minutes,
here was Abdua for you.
I know you had told me a storyone time where you took your
wife Was it your wife?
To his house to have dinner Isthat who it was?
Or something and he thought youwere bringing in a side piece
(06:43):
with you maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, no, thought you were bringing in a side, uh, a
side piece with you, maybe.
No, no, what it was?
Uh, before I uh married mydeceased wife tasha, uh, my son
antoine's mother I've only hadtwo, uh, antoine's mother.
So then I was dating tasha,well, cheating anyway.
So I took tasha to uhabdullah's house, okay, and so
when we all there's her.
And so when we got toabdullah's house, okay, and so
(07:04):
when we oh there's Herb, and sowhen we got to Abdullah's house,
he looks up and he knows mywife, he saw it wasn't her.
And he says to me you can't dothat, champ, you can't do that.
You can't ride with a champ,somebody will see you.
You can't do that champ, ohyeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So he was trying to smarten me up to yeah man, you
got to be kayfabe.
Herb Simmons, welcome into theroom.
You finally got in, huh.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh man, I'm telling you, of course I didn't have to
get in.
I could have just sit here allnight and listen to you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I told him you'd relapse Herb, and that's why
he's having problems.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
When you get to be my age, you just can't get these
fingers to work right.
But I'm telling you what I feellike I've hit the top of the
mountain now.
I've done Briscoe and Bradshawand now I'm at the top of the
mountain with Mac Davis andTeddy Long.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh yeah, much better show than Briscoe and Bradshaw,
oh wow wow, wow.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh, I can't wait to tell Bradshaw that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Wow, oh, I can't wait to tell
Bradshaw that.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, can youimagine that big clothesline
coming?
Yes, he does.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I got to tell you that to me would be a fun
crossover, teddy and I, withGerald and JBL.
I would love to have thatcrossover because, man, I can
imagine the stories we would getout of that.
Let's talk about the story ofuh abdul, the butcher in the
book.
Can you kind of clue us intowhat all this uh hoopla is about
?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
well, yeah, it's, it's a bunch of hoopla and I'm
still waiting for the books.
You know, uh, they weresupposed to be delivered to st
louis for fan fest uh, lastmonth and I had uh fans that
showed up there that was comingto purchase them and to meet
abby because he was there andthey could have got an autograph
, and so you know that wholeordeal I got drug into it
(08:50):
because Abby's a friend of mineand whether what some people
think of him or not, I don'tcare.
He's been a friend to me sinceBruiser Brody introduced me back
in the early 80s and so, youknow, I had them on my show, on
my Sunday night show on YouTube,and uh interviewed Abby and Ms
(09:11):
Malik, uh, when they weregetting ready to come in, and
they asked me if the uh uhgentleman who had written a book
could join in.
I said, sure, why not?
You know he was going to cometo St Louis, he was going to be
there with him, and so, uh, hejoined in that night on the uh
call, just like we're doing here.
I mean, we're talking about it.
He, uh, I talked with Abby, Italked with Ms Malik.
(09:34):
They were bragging about thejob that he was doing Um, and he
was bragging about how greatthey were to work with, and he
was excited about coming to StLouis and he even said, man, I'd
love to talk to you about doingyour book.
And I said, well, yeah, we'lltalk.
You know, everybody keepstelling me that I need to put
pen to paper, and after 52 years.
And so I thought, well, I wasgoing to wait and see what kind
(09:57):
of job he did with Abby's bookand then I would talk to him,
and so that that whole processstarted falling apart there
shortly after you know, I talkwith Abby more or less, and this
Malik they even sent me a copyof the contract.
I have that with theirsignatures on it.
You know, recently I offered MrRushing that I would pay for a
(10:23):
handwriting analysis because heclaims that there was some
forgery going on.
And I said the only thing is,I'd want all of you is not just
him, all three of them to take apolygraph test.
Now, we know polygraph testsaren't admissible, but it at
least lets one's mind come toease.
Well, I got crickets after Idid that, you know, of course.
(10:45):
Yeah, go ahead, teddy.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
If you can remember who was the guy that was writing
the book.
I run into one guy that I foundout not to be so straight too.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
He was a guy that did Medusa's book.
No, this wasn't him.
His name's Scott Rushing.
I mean, I'll say it because hisname's been out there and I
don't know anything about him.
He, his name's Scott Rushing.
I mean, I'll say it because hisname's been out there and I
don't know anything about him.
He may be the best guy thatever walked on a pair of legs,
but I've talked to him on ourshow, on our interview, and then
I've talked to him more or lessthrough text messages and I
think maybe one or two phonecalls we've had.
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You know, he told me how he wasbasically brought into Fritz von
Erich's stable when he was 10,19 years old and that Fritz
showed him the business, which Ikind of red flag that, because
the Fritz that I met a couple oftimes in St Louis with Sam
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Fritz didn't give me theimpression back then that he was
going to be smartening up anine or ten year old boy to the
business.
But again, it's his story.
He gets to tell it the way hewants to, and so, you know, one
thing led to another.
He missed Malik, and Abby askedif I would accept the shipment
of the books here.
That way, there they didn'thave to worry about having them
(12:02):
on the plane and hauling them.
And he said well, I'm going toship you 500 books.
I said oh no, you're not,because you're not going to sell
500 books.
He said, you know, bring 40 or50 of them with you and we'll
try to try to get rid of them.
Well, you know, books havenever arrived, and you know,
then I find out.
Well, the first book that cameout it was only 100 and some
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pages, and you know, man, Icould write 100 pages on Abby
myself, and so now I understandit's been corrected a little bit
.
I think somebody said it's acouple hundred pages now, but
there was just a lot of thesered flags and I hated to be drug
into it, but because of friendswith Abby, I just wanted to.
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I got fans that are stillsaying when can we get a book?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I said I don't know if you want to get a book, right
now he's not even getting anykind of revenue from this
whatsoever, is he?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, that was the other part of the arrangements
that I even made.
There was in.
This was from Mr Rushinghimself.
There was three hundred andsome dollars and Miss Malik had
sent me the PayPal, the threetransaction transactions, and it
totaled like three hundred andthirty five dollars.
I told Mr Rushing I would payyou that money also if you won.
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Also, if you one took ahandwriting analysis and a
polygraph test, I'll send youthat $337, because that's what
he claimed was royalties, thatthey had been fronted, and I've
got those three receipts thatthey sent me and that was what
and I've heard him talk aboutthat on a couple other podcasts
(13:38):
that he's been on and, um, soyou know, 300 some dollars in
royalty is not a lot if you'vebeen selling, uh, and he claims
he's got a second printing inthe book out already.
So it tells me, so where is allthat money going to?
Um, so again, it's, it's.
It's a sad, sad thing, uh,because, like I said, I don't
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know the gentleman.
He may be be the greatest guyout there, but he just threw red
flags up.
He told me that he knew LalaniKai.
He told me he knew Judy Martin.
He was working on her book.
He knew Barbara Goodish.
I called Barbara.
Barbara said well, I just knowhim through Facebook.
I called Lalani, I know himthrough Facebook.
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To me, leilani, I know himthrough Facebook, so to me
that's not being good friends.
So those were other red flags.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, hopefully that all gets settled and Abby won't
get screwed in the end, andthat's the main thing.
I hate seeing any of the guysgetting screwed over like that,
and we were saying this beforeyou got in here.
Anytime we can bring light tosome people you may want to be
aware of, I have no issue doingthat Because I don't want to see
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the business get to be whereeverybody has to be worried.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Somebody's going to screw them any more than they
already do.
Well, as you two know, thisbusiness has had a bad rap for
many years and I don't want tobe a part of that.
I want to deal with people whoare above board, because I've
tried to do that in all mycareer and I think I've done a
good job at that.
So if I want to take face value, I go back to the.
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Sam Muchnick made the deal withthe gentleman who owned the
Chase Park Plaza Hotel.
Nick made the deal with thegentleman who owned a Chase Park
Plaza hotel.
They shook a hand on anairplane and had a honeymoon
from 1959 to 1983.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And that's the kind of relationship I like.
Real quick, before we get youout of here, herb.
I did show this earlier.
I want to show this again.
I see that Herb Simmons isgoing into the St Louis
Wrestling Hall of Fame next year.
It's well-deserved, herb.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, I want to clarify.
You know the locker room boys.
Last month we had a show goingon.
I had Tommy Wildfire Rich withus that night and I'm sitting
out at the meet-and-greet tablewith him and my son, jason,
comes and gets to me and saysDad, come on, you've got to get
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in the locker room right away.
And I'm thinking there betternot be nobody in my locker room
fighting because after 52 years.
I've never had that problem.
And he said, no, come on, comeon.
I said no, I'm out here withTom, no, come on.
So I go back there.
And as soon as I opened thedoor, my wife is standing there
on her walker and uh, I'mthinking now this is unusual
because she, she knows that it'ssacred ground even for her.
And uh, so uh, and all the boysare gathered around the doorway
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and they break this news to me.
And the story of the st louiswrestling hall of fame was larry
matasek and myself and our nickred and our your good friend,
uh love nick uh, who was thebrainchild of ours, and a couple
other gentlemen we brought into help the first couple of
inductions to that Hall of Fame.
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Larry always wanted that to bea Hall of Fame.
That meant something.
And so we kind of said thelegends, you know, the Sam
Muchnicks, the Johnny Valentines, the Luthers, the Pat O'Connors
, you name it, the Funks, theBriscoes, that was the people
who put the butts in the seatsin St Louis.
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So we've always kept it thatway.
It's always been those whoworked wrestling at the Chase,
at the Keele Auditorium, at theSt Louis Checkeredome.
I didn't do that, I haven'tbeen a worker and so I told him.
I said you know, I don't wantto open up that can of worms
because then next time somebodycomes up that maybe had a couple
of shows says, hey, I want tobe in the St Louis hall of fame,
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then it causes me a headache.
So I haven't made up my mind ifI'm going to love it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I did hear through the grapevine that you didn't
have a lot of say-so because,like you mentioned, your wife
was in the back and she prettymuch said you will do this.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Of course it is.
Of course it's, true.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, you know the old saying happy wife happy life
and for 50 years we've beentogether.
Years we've been together.
But as I was trying to explainmy reasoning to the group to the
boys I mean out of the blue,it's just like herb shut up and
I looked at her girl.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I will send you to the moon, you know?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
oh, that's great yeah , if she's standing over, she's
standing over there cooking, soyou better be nice then, because
if she's cooking dinner you youwant to make sure you can eat
what she serves yeah, and she'sgot a knife in her hands
dangerous well, herb.
Congratulations uh for the hallof fame, uh entry for next year
and also, uh, man, we weappreciate you stopping by and
I'm sorry you had so muchtrouble getting in here no
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problem, I appreciate it and uhuh, you guys do a fantastic job.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I try to catch you all the time that I can, and I
love it when I hear Teddytalking.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, herb, you have a great night.
Tell the wife we said hello andwe'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And you guys have a happy 4th of July this weekend,
herb, and once again,congratulations.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
All right, Teddy, let's get in.
We do have a few questions.
I want to get in here.
I want to go into the chat.
Make sure we're not, cause wegot some people in here.
I want to make sure we get tothem as well.
Let's see, Pretty classy ladyis in here with us.
She's stopping by.
Zach Minger is in here as well.
In here as well.
Happy 4th of July.
Let's see what is this.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Thank you, zach, same to you and your family.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Let's see Pretty classic.
Lady Mac, you know old folksneed that pain medicine.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Just kidding Better tell him, tell him again.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Let's see Also we have Joey77.
Yo Mac Holla player Teddy Long.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Holla player.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Let's see what else do we have here.
Salute to the panel.
That's from LA Sports Live.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, thank you guys very much, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Joey's saying Teddy has the best dance moves.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Of course I do.
I got them from my grandson.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yes, you did.
Hey, look here.
We do have a few questions thatI want to get in here before we
close out.
Um, first of all, adam fromfacebook writes teddy was the
one-on-one with the undertakeryour idea or a writer's idea?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
no, it was my idea.
It really wasn't an idea.
Uh, the way it happened, uh, Itold this story.
Uh, we was in madison squaregarden one night and, uh, vince
came out and he was talking toStephanie, I think she had went
out and introduced somebody andhe was telling her about he
wanted a little bit moreemphasis on the name.
You know, when she introducedhim, you know, give, you know,
give me that, and I justoverheard it, you know, and I
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didn't say a word, but Iremembered it.
And so when I went out thatnight to introduce the
Undertaker, that's the firstthing I remember Vince wanted
that that high, you know, input.
And so I said one-on-one withthe undertaker, you know, and I
come back by and he looks at meand he just thumbs up and I, you
know, I keep right on walking,but I came up, I did that myself
(20:53):
.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He also asking the same question and I don't know
if you'll remember, rememberthis, do you remember the first
time you used it, which you know?
You remember that, but do youremember who it was in the ring,
what the situation was?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
no, I don't I was about to say I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Hey, that's just so many things like that.
Yeah, man, I don't put so many.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't put so many people in matches with the
undertaker.
I can't remember all that andtaker said it right.
I mean takaker was talking tome.
He says to me so every time youget pissed off at somebody, you
put them with me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Let's see Logan Ball.
Not Logan Paul, but Logan Ballwants to know have you ever been
hit in the ring or a wrestlingmove applied where they actually
hurt you?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think one time my big show it threw me out of the
ring and he grabbed me and hedidn't tell me and he didn't
give me time to grab the secondrope so I could break my fall,
so I just went straight throughand hit the ground.
Man, oh, that's when Vince gotpissed, right?
Yeah, that's when Vince gotpissed as I walked back.
I think I hit my knee orsomething, but I couldn't even
(21:59):
hardly walk and he looked at meand he told me.
He said don't you ever letanybody throw you around like
that again.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Do you know if he got on the big show about it?
No, I don't know whether he didor not, because I went on back
to the trainer's office so theycould see what was wrong.
Let's see John Roberts IIIsaying hey, teddy, and Mac hey,
john, good to have you in here.
I'm glad all you guys come inhere each week.
We certainly appreciate thatand if you will share the link
around, our subscriber countkeeps going up and it's because
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you do this each and every week.
You share it and you let peopleknow that we're out there, and
I can't tell you how much weappreciate that, because we
don't get paid to come here.
We just come here because weenjoy this.
We like to stay in contact withthe fans and Teddy likes to
answer your questions, so wehave a good time doing this.
All right, I like this question.
I saw this earlier, teddy Sissyin Mississippi.
(22:51):
Teddy, I've always heardstories about ring rats.
Can you explain?
I don't know where this isgoing to go?
Can you explain why they callthem that and do you have any
ring rat stories?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, I don't have any ring rat stories.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I really don't.
I really don't, because backthat time you just couldn't be
fooling around with the ringrats.
Explain what a ring rat isfirst.
The around with the ring rats,you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Explain what a ring rat is first.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, the guys named them ring rats, and these were
the girls that would come to theairport, pick the guys up.
They didn't have to worry aboutno rental car.
They'd drive them to the hotels.
Then, after the hotel, they'dtake them to dinner, drive them
wherever they needed to go, andsome of them even after the show
, you know, went back to thehotel with them and spent the
night with them.
So that's really that's what aring rat was.
I'm shocked.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Have you heard any good ring rat stories?
Maybe not you, but anythingthat you can remember somebody
saying man you won't believe Iwould imagine that was very
common.
I can just imagine, when you'reon the road as much as these
guys were.
They probably had a girlfriendin every town.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Oh, of course, man, people would pick you up right
at the airport.
Man, you didn't have to worryabout nothing Back then.
You needed that because youwasn't making a whole lot of
money so you couldn't affordrental cars and stuff.
So those ring rats were a lotof help.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Kind of like the rock and roll groupies Herb.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Simmons says to be careful about that question.
About the ring rat stories.
La Sports Live.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Teddy, who was the toughest female wrestler you
came across and who do you thinkis the toughest of the bunch
now?
Low-key, I think TiffanyStratton is pretty strong and
tough.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, the person I really like God rest her soul
was Chyna.
I thought she was really toughin the ring.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Who do you think today is that tough version?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I like Jade Cargill I think she's that version and I
don't want to just give it toher, because there's another
person that too, that RheaRipley.
She really impresses me.
And don't forget, you know, mybaby mama, naya Jack.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh, yeah, well you can't forget her.
You're in trouble.
All right, let's see we do haveyou got a couple more minutes
If you want to get in somequestions here?
We left off a few nameassociations last week.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I want to get to them today, since we have a little
bit of time uh, and they'reinteresting because some of
these I'm not even sure ifyou'll remember big daddy v.
Now I know you remember him.
Any stories about big daddy v?
Oh, did I ever tell you thestory about?
I sold him some viagra and thatwas the first story and that was
the first time you know, uh, hehad had any viagra.
So the next thing, I know he hetakes it and I mean there's no
girl around you know you whytakes it.
And I mean there's no girlaround, you know why?
Would you take my average?
There's no girl.
So he takes it in the lockerroom.
So, and about 20 minutes afterthat I come by him and he looks
(25:48):
at me and he calls me hey, comehere, come here.
And he I swear this is a truestory.
And he says you know what?
I look down at my shit and Isaid who is this?
Where did what?
I looked down at my shit and Isaid who is this?
Where did this come from?
I swear that's a true.
He says I look down at me.
I'm like who's this belong to?
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Yeah, that's a true story.
Man, oh god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
The pretty classic lady finds that funny.
Let's see Currently bands inhere.
Hey, currently man.
Good to see you.
Hey, Teddy and Mac, I got aquestion how was it working with
Hornswoggle?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh, I had a good time with him.
He was really entertaining andfunny.
So he was easy to work withbecause you know I could do
stuff with him that would makehim laugh and make me be real
serious.
So me and Hornswoggle, we did alot of funny, a lot of good
stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Let's see another one of those names Tajiri.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Any memories about Tajiri?
Just a great guy, I mean.
He's always had a greatattitude, you know, nice to work
with and everything, and that'sabout it.
What did Tajiri do?
I think he fooled everybody andtold them he couldn't drive or
something.
And then they found out hecould drive.
He had guys driving him around,then he got busted.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean, I imagine the heat he took for that
especially the people he rodewith.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh brother.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I bet he drove every day, after that Every night too.
Yeah, man Tatanka.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Another great guy I've worked with man Tertanka.
Yeah, yeah, super nice.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And the last one on the list we have here is Tori
Wilson.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Tori Wilson yeah, she's very entertaining.
That was Billy Kidman's wifeand I had a chance to work with
them.
Yeah, at once.
Yeah, she was married to him,but I remember a story about her
, one time man and I don't know.
You know, billy, I love him todeath, man, but you got a wife
like Tori Wilson man, you got tobe a little nicer and he left
her at an arena in Detroit Ithink we were in Michigan
(27:48):
somewhere and she had no ride,man, you know.
So somebody gave her a ride, Idon't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
but guys, I can't imagine she had a hard time
finding a ride.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
How do you leave Tori Wilson?
I don't know how you do that.
I would be the first one in thecar.
I'd make sure she was there.
The meltdown Brian is in here.
Happy fourth guys.
And happy fourth to you too,brian.
Good to see you in here.
And also, let's see, johnRoberts might be our last one in
here for the night.
What was it like being a ref inone of Sting's matches?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Just like any other one man.
They're not all the same, but Imean, basically you're running
the same course, but Sting wasalways a nice guy.
He was a great guy to work withtoo.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
With Sting.
He always came across ineverything we see him in.
Afterwards he comes across,like you say, a really nice guy.
When he first started, though,in WCW, he had a little bit more
of a wild side about him,didn't he?
And then he calmed down, Isthat right?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, yeah Well, he had been working with him in
Ultimate Warrior, you know, andthey had that wild and crazy
gimmick when they were workingfor Bill Watts down there, so
they had to kind of bring himout of that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, sting for me when I was growing up.
When people ask me who was myfavorite champion of my time, I
like a lot of champions.
I like Dusty Rhodes, I like RicFlair.
But now I would go back andwatch older shows because that's
just who I am.
So that's the reason I say Ilike these guys.
But during my 20s I guess itwas late teens, in the early 20s
maybe Sting was on fire andSting was the guy man.
(29:19):
Everything he did, man.
I would just tune into anythingSting did so a lot of times.
He gets overlooked for beingone of the greatest champions,
but during my lifetime he reallywas one of the greatest
champions that I remember.
His matches were alwaysexciting.
The storylines were always welldone.
There was a lot of activity inthose matches.
As far as stories go and Teddy,you know what I'm talking about
(29:41):
he just it's different nowbecause they rush things, but
back then they could take theirtime telling stories and it was
interesting to watch.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, you had to take your time back then because you
had to draw money.
Yes, okay, yeah.
But you know, with so muchgoing on now, you know what I
mean.
It ain't a whole lot you haveto do.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
No, unfortunate Joey77,.
Teddy, did you enjoy your timeas general manager?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I enjoyed my time.
Yes, I did, and I mean, in fact, anything that I ever done.
I enjoyed my time.
I had fun with managing when Iwas a good guy.
I had fun managing when I was aheel and when I went to GM.
I had fun with that and that'show you're supposed to do.
That's how you last so long,you make your job fun and you
get get out.
You do it right.
Especially, you go walk backthrough that curtain and Vince
McMahon is standing upcomplimenting you.
That tells you something rightthere and that that's good.
That's good too, because thatmakes you want to really work
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and do your job.
If you're making Vince happyand that's all I ever wanted to
do was make him happy I didn'tgive a shit about none of the
rest of them.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
John Roberts III said a 45-minute draw, talking about
staying with Ric Flair.
Clash of Champions I mean theClash of Champions shows too, by
the way, those were free on TBS.
They were great shows to watch.
I missed that.
I felt like when AEW startedthat maybe we'd get back to that
kind of feel and era ofwrestling.
And then it kind of went offtrack after a while,
(31:00):
unfortunately, but there was asure sign that maybe it could
come back.
Unfortunately, we just won'thave that, teddy.
We are out of time.
We're actually a little bitover and I appreciate everybody
sticking along with us, but wegot kind of a late start here so
we wanted to pop in and leaveit a little bit longer, if we
could.
Teddy, anything coming up foryou that we need to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, everything's kind of on the quiet side for me,
and I'm glad Me and Rufus aregoing to have ourselves a good
time tomorrow, 4th of July, soI'm thinking about maybe getting
him a steak or something Got toget him a treat.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Damn, your dog's going to eat better than I do
he's all I got.
I'll tell you one thing thatI've been dying for.
And here's the 4th of Julyweekend and you talk about
barbecues and everybody having agood time.
We went by on the way.
Back when Teddy and I werecoming back from Jacksonville on
a recent trip, we went to aBucky's and they had this what's
(31:53):
it?
What do you call that damn beefBarbecue, teddy, it's not
shredded barbecue, it's the goodpiece of meat of barbecue.
What am I thinking of, Teddy?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't eat barbecues .
I don't know, no Brisket.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Brisket?
Yes, they have brisketsandwiches.
Oh my God, I would drive maybe,because I have to meet Teddy
next week.
Hopefully there's a Bucky'snearby and I'll go find me one
of those brisket sandwiches.
And if you've never had one andthere's a Bucky's around you, I
promise you that is the bestbrisket I have ever had.
My neighbor makes a greatbrisket, but this one All right,
(32:30):
teddy, I'm out of here and Igot to go get my cats in because
you know they start shootingfireworks and everybody gets
crazy, and I wanted to mentionthis too before we go to.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I mean, I made a comment earlier.
You know that I was was caredjust about making Vince happy
and I didn't give a shit aboutthe rest of them, and I don't
mean everybody.
Those that I didn't give a shitabout was the people that I
knew didn't give a shit about me.
So that's who I'm talking about.
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And pretty classy lady.
Thank you, brisket.
She was trying to help us out.
I appreciate that I couldn'tthink of it.
I can taste it in my mouthright now, but I couldn't think
of the name.
All right, teddy, we've got topick a name for this week.
One of the questions who do youwant to choose this week?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
What was the gentleman there asked a question
earlier about ref or something.
There was a question up thereearlier about Vince oh.
Who came up with the one-on-onewith the Undertaker?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
One-on-one with the Undertaker.
One on one with the Undertaker.
Yeah, that was Adam fromFacebook.
So, adam, that is you wintonight.
One on one with the Undertaker.
Yeah, that's him, adam.
Just reach out to me.
I think I may already have yourinformation, but send it to me
just to be safe, and then we'llget that t-shirt out to you and
make sure you take a picture ofit and send it to us.
(33:39):
We'll put it up on the page,just like anybody else does.
All right, I'm out of here.
I'm about to sweat the death.
This room, for whatever reason,is killing me tonight.
So now you don't have all anypills, no, no.
Well, thank goodness I haven'ttaken any of those pain pills in
the last day and a half nowbecause I've been trying to get
myself off of them.
Like I say, I don't like them.
(34:00):
I guess it's all right, I'm outof here.
By the way, jbl and GeraldBriscoe may not like me right
now, but I still think it wouldbe a fun show for us to have a
crossover, because I can justimagine the stories Well, we
might ought to talk to themabout it.
I think we should do that.
Y'all do the same thing.
(34:21):
Send'm out of here.
Have a fantastic 4th of July.
My friend, call up players.
We'll see you again next week,same time, same place.
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