October 30, 2025 • 38 mins
The lights are low, the music hits different, and the stories feel a little more dangerous. We open the door to wrestling’s scariest era—when monsters like Abdullah the Butcher and Bruiser Brody weren’t just characters, they were walking question marks. Teddy Long and Mac revisit the moments when kayfabe felt airtight, blood looked too real, and even the locker room held its breath when certain names showed up on the board.
From a hilarious, tense rib on the notoriously tough Butch Reed to the unspoken rules of receipts and respect, you’ll hear how the old code worked and why it still matters. Teddy takes us back to the nights he wore the stripes for the Horsemen, the Midnight Express, and the Rock ’n’ Roll Express, and how learning in that crucible shaped his journey from ring crew to SmackDown GM. Along the way, we talk about how social media changed the magic trick, why selling is a lost art when egos get loud, and how the best wrestlers make their opponents shine.
We also get into today’s headlines and hidden gems: Vince Russo’s creative move to JCW, the real value of a WWE draft versus leadership that steadies the ship, and the community energy that’s moved with us as we build this channel. Then we hand out overdue flowers to underrated women who held eras together—Molly Holly’s precision and generosity, Jazz’s raw credibility and strength—and why their work still teaches the craft. Expect seasonal nostalgia, candy corn slander, and plenty of live chat love as we keep the conversation honest and fun.
If you enjoy the stories, hit subscribe, turn on notifications, and share this with a friend who misses when wrestling felt a little scary. Drop a comment with your pick for the scariest wrestler of all time and the most underrated woman who deserved more—let’s hear your card.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
On the first day of all Hallows Days We're screaming
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bastards in a punch bowl secondday of all Hallows Day The
Screamin' Besty's in a fullscreen that she's doing up to
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screen and batteries do not win.
SPEAKER_00 (03:55):
Hi, Teddy.
There is a different opening, alittle bit different music, but
of course now it is a specialholiday edition of Road Trip
After Hours.
I'm your host, Mac Davis, andthat of course is WWE Hall of
Famer, Mr.
Teddy Long.
How you doing, Teddy?
SPEAKER_04 (04:08):
Uh, I'm doing just great.
And uh, I'm gonna say this.
Uh, I'm gonna have to apologizeto you for all the bad things
I've said about you for themusic.
Uh, this was great tonight, thatopening that music and
everything I thought wasoutstanding.
So if uh you could just keepthat up, you know, we could get
along.
SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
Now I gotta tell you something.
I found a place where you canfind music that you can use uh
that is not been on the radiocharts anywhere.
This is just independent music,or it's made by, of all things,
artificial intelligence.
That's not the case on this one.
Uh, but man, I gotta tell you, Iwas surprised.
I was because all day long afterI put that video together, that
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song was bouncing in my head.
There's something catchy aboutit.
Uh, I wish it were more of ajust a traditional thing that we
could use all the time.
But while I'm saying that, I didreceive, and I don't want to say
who or anything else much more,other than I did receive a
special song made for you and Ifor this radio show or for this
(05:10):
uh podcast.
This is not a radio show.
What are you doing?
Hey, look, man, you know it isoh, I don't know what's going on
with you.
SPEAKER_04 (05:19):
That is there's something seeming to be
happening to you every everyweek.
I don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_00 (05:24):
It is working with you.
Okay, let me ask you, Teddy.
This is a Halloween edition ofRoad Trip After Hours in
professional wrestling.
And and those of you who arewatching right now, want you to
chime in too if you don't mind.
Who were the best monsters orscary individuals in
professional wrestling?
(05:45):
Teddy.
SPEAKER_04 (05:47):
Uh I have to say Abdoodle the Butcher uh was one
of them.
SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
Um it was just and Abby was a little bit different
than like the what today's scarykind of uh characters are.
And back in his time, you reallydidn't know what about Abby.
You I mean you kind of believedthis guy was nuts, and even like
Bruiser Brody, another personthat was that way, you weren't
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sure if he if it was his headscrewed on all the way, you
know, you weren't sure.
SPEAKER_04 (06:16):
And those guys would never tell you nothing, you know
what I mean?
They just come just comestraight out and attack you out
of the blue.
So you know you would them, yougot to be ready for whatever
coming.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
Yeah, and you know, I've heard stories too that the
even the wrestlers in the back,uh you know, on TV taping days,
if they found out Ebby was gonnabe who they were in the ring
with, they would pack theirstuff up and go.
They would not stay for the youknow to do the match because
Abby was known to be, you know,he he was he was stiff, yeah,
(06:45):
man.
He was.
That's the best way to put it.
Uh any other monsters you canthink of, uh Teddy, that made an
impact on you?
I know for a lot of people whoare watching, they're gonna
immediately go to TheUndertaker, you know, because
that was so hot during theAttitude era and everything
else.
But um, I I really wonder ifthere's even scarier people than
(07:05):
him that were in professionalwrestling.
Anything that comes to mind foryou?
SPEAKER_04 (07:10):
No, not right offhand.
I I don't.
Um Golly, there was one otherguy there that uh I think he
started in the WWF.
Uh another guy, golly.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
There's one here that Dave Crone uh is throwing
at us and he's saying themissing link.
SPEAKER_04 (07:28):
I remember him.
Uh he he wasn't real scary.
What to me?
Okay, uh yeah, don't let mediscredit him, but yeah, I
remember him.
In fact, uh he he was running agym in uh Charlotte for
Steamboat, and uh I went andworked out there.
SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
And you know, there was uh was it the Samoans back
in the early days when theydidn't say anything.
I mean, they just came to theheadhunters and stuff like that.
You know, that we were stillliving in a time where you can
almost believe that that waslegit, and these guys were crazy
like that, you know.
And I think that's why we wereprobably more prone to think so
about the older days than thenew days, because in today's
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age, you get it.
You know what I mean?
Back then, you didn't get it,there wasn't social media.
All you got were you knowpictures that people may share,
or the magazines where you seeAbby bleeding everywhere and all
his opponents.
That was, I mean, you'd go to amatch, you didn't want to get
around him because you wereafraid you might get hurt too,
you know.
SPEAKER_04 (08:28):
That doesn't exist much if you got in his way,
you'd get hurt.
SPEAKER_00 (08:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Zach Minger saying NationalCandy Corn Day, Mac and Teddy.
Hey Zach, good to have you inhere and uh back at you, my
friend.
SPEAKER_04 (08:41):
Yeah, thank you, man.
I'm sick of that dog's own candycorn.
I did get some of that frompublic.
Uh Jesus, I'm just burnt out onit.
SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
You know what?
I love candy corn, but it's oneof those things that if you eat
too much, it will make yourstomach hurt a little bit.
So you can only eat it in littleportions, and I'm not that way.
If I eat a bag of candy corn,I'm eating a bag of candy corn.
So that's just how I am.
Uh another name that came uphere from Jesse Wilkes.
Hey Jesse, good to see you.
(09:11):
Viscera always creeped me outfor some reason, he says.
Well, viscera was the real deal.
But uh story before, Teddy,about viscera.
Uh, but uh and I don't thinkwe've done it on the live show,
but he asked you to get himsomething or you gave him
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something, and there was anexperience with that.
Can you tell that?
SPEAKER_04 (09:35):
Why are you making me do that?
So, you know, back that that wasa time after, you know, I was um
I'd been selling uh Viagra tothe guys, and um so we went to,
you know, I'd been to wrestler'scourt, I had me in court,
everything.
I lost my case in court, so Iwas having to buy chicken and
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beer and some other stuff for atleast a month.
I had to pay much as well.
So uh best wrestler, now the wayI'm trying to pay my fine is I'm
trying to, you know, keephustling.
You know, so I told so Vista,you know, I I I I told him about
it.
I yes, you know, I told him Iturned him on to it.
So uh about uh let's see, aboutthree hours or so later, he
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comes and he finds me.
And he says to me, he says, hey,he said, I look down there.
Who does that belong to?
Who's that?
Oh he was, oh yeah, he said hehad never seen that before.
He said, Yeah.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
(10:43):
Oh so he uh uh so I but I had aloyal customer.
SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Let's see, he here's a uh question that kind of came
out of nowhere and I almostskipped over it.
Uh Dave Crohn saying, was JimRoss racist, Teddy?
SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
Well, I I never had no problem with with Jim Ross.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I've you you know youheard different things from
different people.
So I like I always say, we'reall racists, is that when we
take the word evil and we mixthat with racism, then that's
what makes it bad.
But we all racist.
I mean, I got neighbors, I don'treally, you know, I cared for
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them because, you know, theydidn't, and y'all can tell they
didn't want to be bothered withme, but we didn't cause nobody
no harm.
I wasn't over there trying todestroy their property, they
weren't over trying to destroymine.
We just stayed away from eachother.
We didn't say nothing to eachother, and that was fine with
me.
So uh that that's the way I lookat it.
SPEAKER_00 (11:36):
Yeah, and I've always said this, and I I and
people I get a lot of hell forthis too.
Uh, people ask, how do you workwith so-and-so, or how how do
you deal with this person?
My experiences with anindividual is what I judge them
by.
Period.
I don't care what may havehappened between Joe Blow and
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him as well.
As long as that's not happeningwith me, they're good as gold.
Once they screw me, there's awhole different story.
But I judge people on what I seeand what I receive.
Wouldn't you say that's aboutthe best way to go, Teddy?
SPEAKER_04 (12:11):
I mean, like I always tell you, I always pay
attention what people do for methat they didn't have to do.
Yeah.
That's when you know it's real,okay?
Because I've had, you know,another white person come to me
and tell me something aboutanother white person.
And I know that wasn't supposedto, that wasn't supposed to
happen.
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So, but he knew that I was, youknow, something was wrong there.
And he just came to smart me upabout it.
And so that's who I paidattention to, a guy that came
and told me something that hedidn't have to tell me.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
Yeah, I I think too, a lot of times that uh it's we
throw the word racist out therea little bit too uh freely uh
for a lot of people.
And and I this is one of thosecases.
I'm sure that uh Jim hasprobably done or said something
that somebody took the wrongway, and uh and maybe uh
rightfully so.
Uh, but like you say, Teddy,haven't we all done something
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stupid that we're all you knowguilty of this, that, or the
other?
Uh and it's the truth.
Um let's go to uh Dave Croneagain, Sting versus Vampiro
graveyard match.
You know, I don't remember thatmatch.
I remember they worked togetherfor a very brief time.
Uh, and I think it was more thatSting just didn't feel like it
(13:27):
was working between the two ofthem.
He didn't feel the you know, thethe he was an easy dance
partner, let's put it that way.
Uh let's see.
Uh we have Playa Teddy.
You have your own YouTube pagecalled Playa because your
picture is right there.
SPEAKER_04 (13:44):
No, I don't have that.
That's not that that's somebodythat's a fake page there.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Well, is that or he's just uh acknowledging the
Mr.
Teddy because he's saying,Teddy, just checking in to say
I'm a huge fan.
Much love, Playa.
SPEAKER_04 (13:59):
Hey, thank you.
Much love to you, Playa.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Let's see what else we got here.
This thing's moving rather slow.
I don't know if it's me.
Uh no, no, no, hang on.
I don't want to do something, soI want to try to get back out of
that.
No, no, no.
Pretty classy lady saying, Hey.
SPEAKER_04 (14:16):
All right, how is she doing today?
Good to see you.
Well, good to have you with us.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Pretty classy lady, you gotta tell me, uh,
whereabouts are you from?
I'm I'm curious because you'vesaid a couple things on here
that had me kind of scratch myhead and think, Do I know this
person?
Uh so uh yeah, you just give usuh at least a region or
something, you know, uh that weknow where you're from.
SPEAKER_04 (14:38):
He's flirting pretty classy, lady.
I can tell you what he's doingright now.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
Hello, Teddy and Mac from Houston and I.
SPEAKER_04 (14:47):
Yeah, that's Miz John Smith.
You know my man uh him and hisson with the podcast that we
did.
SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
Yes, I do remember.
Yeah, and I hope things arestill going well there for him.
And uh by the way, if you wantto be a part of the program, we
haven't even had a chance to saythis.
All you gotta do is leave amessage in the chat room.
We'll throw it up on the screen,and boom, you're a part of the
program.
But in the meantime, we do haveto step away.
You know, there's been a lot oftalk about shoes in WWE.
(15:16):
Here's the latest.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
I love those letters.
SPEAKER_03 (16:11):
Let's find out what you got to say.
Oh boy!
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
This Teddy's favorite part of the program.
It's always going inside themailbag where we get to ask
Teddy.
And Teddy, uh, let's see, ourfirst question is from Otto in
Michigan, who asked, What wasthe best rib you ever witnessed?
It's not saying you are a partof, just one that you've
witnessed.
SPEAKER_04 (16:46):
Oh, okay.
Uh I this one was really good.
It was one night I was managinguh Butch and Ron.
They were uh tag team Doom.
So the rib was on Butch Reed,okay.
So I was part of the rib andnever the reason that made me
part of the rib.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
Okay, hold on.
I just I want for those who maynot know Butch Reed, Butch Reed
uh was uh he was a very realguy, and he's not somebody that
I would first think to myself,let's play a rib on Butch Reed.
That's not somebody you would dothat with.
So somebody actually had theballs to do a rib on Butch Reed.
SPEAKER_04 (17:21):
Well, God rest Butch is so, but the rib came because
they threatened me.
Either I was gonna get beat up,or if if I didn't go and tell
and put a rib on Butch, or theywere gonna put it and they were
gonna tell him it was all myidea.
SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
Oh no.
So either way, you were screwed.
SPEAKER_04 (17:39):
Right.
So so they so they made me gotell Butch after we just got to
working.
Okay, Butcher took a shower and,you know, had put on all his
clothes, cologne, you know, andeverything.
He's ready to go.
So they had got the Butcher toldhim it's that uh the main event
must have been a tag.
Somebody got hurt there and theysaid that uh, you know, we're
gonna have to work again.
(18:00):
So Butch, you know, he looks atme, you know, he says, You
shitting me?
I said, I'm the Butch, how aboutsomething telling you, man?
They say we gotta work again.
So now he gets, he takes off allof his clothes now after he done
showered and everything.
So he gets back into his, make along story short, he gets back
into his wrestling gear and hegets he starts to taping up his
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arms and everything, and that'swhen uh somebody ran in and
told, oh, wait, butch, you don'thave to work now.
The guy the guy came orsomething, something they said.
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Oh, oh okay, so I gotta ask you this, Teddy,
because like I said, Butch isnot somebody that you want to
play with like that.
SPEAKER_04 (18:37):
I took off.
SPEAKER_00 (18:41):
You already knew what the next question was.
How long before he I mean, youhad to face him sooner or later.
What happened?
SPEAKER_04 (18:48):
Oh, he's I I didn't see him to the next day, you
know.
Because I think I wouldn't ride,I wouldn't ride with him and run
then.
I think I was with somebody Idon't know, but anyway, he was
he'd come at me the next day tooabout it.
I'm like, Butch, man, you know Iwouldn't have done that, man.
They was gonna get they told methey was gonna beat me up if I
don't do the you don't do whatthey say, man.
SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
So wait, did he ever get back?
Who by the way, who was the whowas ribbing him?
Can you say that?
SPEAKER_04 (19:13):
Uh yeah, I'm trying to I those Steiners.
SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
Oh, well, yeah.
Now, yeah.
Well, if somebody's gonna messwith Butch, it would have to be
the Steiners because they'regonna have to be able to back up
that rib a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (19:25):
So yeah, and and that, and you gotta do what they
said.
If you don't, then you becomethe culprit.
They they they yeah, you're nextin line.
SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
Yeah, that's not something you want.
Uh Jessie Wilkes uh Mac Mackinlaughing his ass off.
Yeah, yeah, I'm Mackin in here,yeah.
Uh, and Ms.
John also saying, We won BestSports Podcast in Detroit.
That's great news.
SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
Congratulations, congratulations, you guys.
Great, great to hear that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
Let's see.
Uh, Monkey Mania is runningwild.
And let's see, what else we got?
Oh, pretty classy lady.
She's answering that question.
I'm from Atlanta, but it's funnybecause my mom has family in
Dublin.
You might be my kinfolk, Mac.
SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
Who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
No, I mean, you know, one thing that a lot of
people are one thing that a lotof people are not aware of is
that Teddy and I, uh when we'retalking about it.
SPEAKER_04 (20:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no, ain't no Teddy and I, it's
just you.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah.
When we when I go to shows andTeddy and I are at a table, uh,
if if Teddy steps away, youknow, I always tell people, I'm
his twin brother.
Well, how can I help you?
You know, and and and somepeople aren't quite sure how to
take that because I'll beserious about it too.
So he really is.
SPEAKER_04 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah, he really is serious, too.
SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
Yeah, yeah, all the time.
Uh let's see.
Uh the natural.
Uh Dave Crone, the natural.
What about the natural?
I guess um you're not a bignatural butchered.
SPEAKER_04 (20:49):
That's where okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Yeah, the natural butchered.
You're right.
Yeah.
Let's see.
And he was a real cowboy too,wasn't he, Teddy?
He did.
I mean, he was three of them.
SPEAKER_04 (20:58):
He rode a horse up in Rufus R.
Jones Bar.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Let's see.
Uh Ms.
John's asking Teddy, what wasyour favorite match that you
refed?
SPEAKER_04 (21:08):
Oh, I don't know, man.
I had a lot of matches, maybebecause basically I was the only
referee.
So, you know, I worked so many.
But basically, I enjoyed workingwith the horsemen.
Those are guys that made youwork.
You couldn't play around.
Uh, working with the MidnightExpress, Rock and Roll Express,
uh, referee and them, those guyswere another great team to work
with.
Just so many people back at itback then, you know, that would
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work good workers, and you had achance to work, not only work
with them, you had a chance tolearn from them.
That's the main thing you wantto do, is learn.
So uh I, you know, I had theopportunity to be in uh in the
right place at the right time.
SPEAKER_00 (21:41):
And you know, I it was funny because I've told
Teddy this before.
Um I remember Teddy really moreso from WCW days and the NWA
back when he was over there,because I remember his face in
the matches and some of the bigmatches that took place with
some of the biggest names inprofessional wrestling.
And that's where I first uh knewTeddy.
(22:04):
You know, he was a referee, andthen he became the manager, and
then he got over to SmackDown,became you know the longest
reigning general manager.
And uh I to me, the climb fromwhere you came from, Teddy, when
you and and even before that,even before you started way back
in the NWA, you know, uh being areferee, you were moving a ring
(22:25):
around, traveling, putting upthe ring, doing whatever you had
to do, that's impressive ashell.
And and it is it's cool to me tobe able to say I've seen the
lifespan of your career becauseI grew up during that time to
watch it happen.
Uh, and and that's one of thethings.
And I've talked, like I said,I've told Teddy before, I'm
highly impressed by what he'sbeen able to do in this
business.
Uh, and he earned every freakingbit of it too.
(22:49):
Uh anybody that tries to say hedidn't earn something, go screw
yourself.
He's earned everything he's evergotten.
SPEAKER_04 (22:54):
Uh let's and the thing, you know, that they're
mad at me for doing my job.
SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Yes.
Yes.
Yosef saying, Hey Yosef, good tosee you, man.
He says, Hey Mac, I'm herebecause of Brodown.
Yeah, man.
Uh, any of you guys that arepopping over here on a Thursday
night with us, uh, that haveswitched over to uh Road Trip
After Hours on YouTube, muchappreciate that.
In fact, we ask that you dothat.
Uh, share this around.
(23:20):
Uh, ask people to subscribe andhit the notification uh button.
We're trying to grow thischannel, and uh, we have moved
from Sports Kita because theyclosed down that particular side
of their business in astreamlined effort for the
company.
And uh because of that, uh Teddyand I are trying to grow this
channel a little bit more uh andmake it more accessible to more
(23:40):
people.
And as a matter of fact, uh BillAptor, who used to work with us
on Sports Kita, he'll be poppingover here every once in a while.
You can ask him questions aswell.
Uh from the heyday of the aptormags and pro wrestling
illustrated, inside wrestling,all those great mags from that
time.
Uh let's see, we got a few morethings in here.
I'm I'm trying, we got a lot ofpeople in here.
We certainly appreciate thattoo, by the way.
(24:02):
Uh we have Dave saying we missyou guys in St.
Louis.
Yeah, man, I'm looking forwardto getting back over there.
I really am.
St.
Louis is a great place to go,especially for wrestling.
Uh, he's also saying, uh, whathappened to the jobbers, the
skyscrapers beat up after theshow in the dressing room?
SPEAKER_04 (24:20):
No, they didn't beat him up in the dressing room.
They beat him up in the ring.
It it it took place in the ring.
Um, I don't know whateverhappened to it.
Well, basically just was onlyone guy.
This one guy just, you know,just being an asshole.
So uh they had to, you know, lethim know no, this is the real,
this the real way tonight.
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Wasn't it over?
They weren't selling, isn't thatwhat it was?
SPEAKER_04 (24:44):
Wasn't selling and uh, you know, just clowning
around, man, just you know whatI mean, just wasn't taking it
serious.
SPEAKER_00 (24:50):
Yeah, there's only been a couple of times in
wrestling, in independentwrestling for me, that uh I had
the person wasn't they weren'tbumping, they weren't reacting
like they should be.
And I, you know, I would laysomething in, you know, to make
it look real.
And it was real.
Uh, but more times than not, youyou know, you shouldn't have to
do that.
SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
Well, you have to have to protect yourself.
If somebody out there that'sgonna make you start look making
you look like a clown in thering, then you have to you know
do what you gotta do.
Protect yourself at all times.
SPEAKER_00 (25:21):
Uh let's see.
We have Joseph Brunan heresaying, Good evening.
Hey Joseph, thank you for cominginto the room.
We appreciate that.
Uh also uh let's see, Joseph.
Uh do you and Teddy think Russowill make JCW like Attitude Era,
especially Teddy being ref in 99Russo era.
(25:42):
Um I'm not exactly sure whatyou're asking, but I will say
this.
I know that Vince Russo is goingover to Juggalo Championship
Wrestling.
Uh, and he is doing some writingfor that group over there.
Um, I think it's a good blend.
I think these, you know, him anduh that company could blend very
well.
Uh, you know, time will tell.
We'll see.
I hope so.
(26:02):
I hope so for everybodyinvolved.
Uh Teddy, anything you want tosay on that?
SPEAKER_04 (26:06):
No, I I don't even know anything about it.
SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't think you you did, butuh yeah, let's see.
Playa.
It's weird for me to look atsomebody that has your picture
on it.
Uh Teddy, we need a WWE draftsoon.
They gotta call you up to sortthose rosters.
I don't think that's gonna helpthem.
Uh I I think they need to getTeddy there for the uh the
actual job of running somethingbecause that's what's gonna help
(26:31):
in the end.
Teddy loved you.
This is from Yosef.
Uh Teddy loved you as a WWE ref.
Then you and Mac, that thingsong hit so hard, Teddy.
Uh, you were the best GM ever inWWF history.
Holla holla holla.
SPEAKER_04 (26:47):
Well, thank you very much.
And holla holla holla back toyou, Claire.
SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
Dave saying, Teddy is a legend.
I'm 51.
Uh been watching him sinceelementary school in the little
studio.
Yeah, man.
Those were good days.
I, you know, I don't know why,but I I look more fondly on
those days of wrestling than Ido any other time, even more so
than the attitude era.
And I think it's because it wasthat sweet spot when I first
(27:12):
fell in love with the sport ofprofessional wrestling.
And I think that's always goingto be that era that I love so
much.
Yeah, uh, let's see.
Uh pod twist Jones.
Hope all was well.
Super Laste.
Look, I hope I don't know whatthat means.
Lost day, lost.
And let's see, pretty classylady.
(27:33):
Mac, what are you dressing upfor as Halloween?
Uh, a ghost.
My lights will be off on thefront porch.
I'll have no candy waiting forlittle kids when they come by.
I'm gonna have the door lockedand the dog on the front porch
to scare them away if they trythe em to attempt.
No, wow, no, I'm just teasing.
SPEAKER_03 (27:51):
No, you're not.
No, you know, you're you're ascrooge, I'm telling you right
now.
You're a real life scrooge, I'mtelling you.
SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
I want to tell you something.
This is the honest truth.
We haven't had trick-or-treatersuh come by the house.
I bet you I don't blame them.
Well, no, it's just all the kidsaround here are grown up, and
there's nobody young anymorethat comes around
trick-or-treating.
And I miss that because I didenjoy uh being at the front door
looking at the little kids dressup and come up and get to talk
to them.
I did enjoy that.
(28:21):
Uh, but and I even mygrandbabies, they don't have
that much.
Like years ago, you could justabout go to any neighborhood and
go trick-or-treating.
Well, nowadays you got to go toa festival somewhere that's a
little bit safer where you canget those candies, you know, the
trunking treats and those kindof things.
Uh, and that's sad because Ienjoyed the days of Halloween
when I was a kid, and I got togo house to house, ring
(28:43):
doorbells.
It was nighttime, it was alittle bit spooky, but it was a
lot of fun.
Uh, and you know, unless youwere a real troublemaker, you
should have done well and got alot of free candy in the
process, too.
SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure you did.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
Oh man, well, yeah, you know, and I but you got a
lot of donuts too at that time.
You probably got donuts when youwere growing up.
Oh, they made donuts when youwere a kid.
SPEAKER_04 (29:06):
No, they didn't never heard of it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Oh, I forgot, you're right, because they didn't make
the wheel yet at that point.
That's right.
Yeah, Reggie B fine.
What's up, Theodore Alone?
How are you doing, sir?
Reggie B fine here.
SPEAKER_04 (29:18):
You know him, he's out of Memphis.
Uh he worked law and for many,many years, man.
What a great, what a great, whata great guy, man.
Reggie, good to hear from you,player.
Glad to know you're stillkicking.
And uh, yeah, man, just uhthanks for checking in with us.
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
Yeah, man, always good to have you through here.
And uh Yosef saying, Teddy, whatwould you do if Triple H made
you booker or creative?
Could you turn it around?
WWE is like 94 to 96, WWF NewGeneration Era was okay.
SPEAKER_04 (29:54):
So ain't no use of me true trying to figure out
what I would do because thatain't gonna ever happen.
SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
No.
All right, let's see.
Uh 40 Chris is in here.
Uh, I always hit up the housewith the cooler out front.
Uh you always hit up the house.
Oh, yeah, with the cooler outfront.
Yeah, you just go up and grab asmuch as you want.
Yeah, a lot of people did that.
And by the time I got there,there was no candy left.
But Teddy, that's it.
Man, we have uh we've actuallygotten out of time.
(30:20):
I'm trying to see if there'sanother couple questions I can
throw in here real quick.
Uh yeah, I do want to get one inhere because this came through
uh our uh podcast channel.
I didn't know we had mail wecould get there, and uh, I found
some mail in there.
Uh, Christian from Buzz Sprout,your thoughts on the Meg Sicools
and what happened to HooventuGuerrera's run in WWE.
(30:42):
Do you ever see him coming backand maybe wrestling Ray Mysterio
one day?
SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
No, I don't see that.
I don't see that happening.
You know what I mean?
I think Ray is pretty, you know,I I can't really speak for Ray,
but Ray to me knows that he'shad a tremendous outstanding
career.
And I think Ray's about ready totry to, you know, and try to
enjoy the rest of his life.
And so, uh, like I said, withHooventwood, I mean, I I just
don't see it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
Well, it was uh Hooventude, uh, did you get to
work with him at all?
SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
I mean, did you say uh WCW when he they when they
first come in?
Conan brought him in.
SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
Was he difficult by any?
I mean, no, yeah, we didn'treally see much after uh WCW.
You really just didn't see himlike you did at one time.
And he was I thought was a greattalent.
SPEAKER_04 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, he was all right.
Like I said, uh there were uh uhwho was I just speaking about uh
Conan.
He he uh though they worked forhim, and Conan was like the
booker, he and he brought theguys in from Mexico, so he was
one of Conan's guys.
SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
Yeah, and that was one of those situations where
Conan really helped out uh agroup uh a great deal, much like
uh uh what was the uh LA Oh andTNA God, this I can't remember
right now, but he had a groupthere too, uh, that he put
together.
Conan again, he's one of thoseguys that is legit when you talk
(32:05):
to him.
He's serious about you know uhprofessional wrestling.
It's not a joke to him, it'sit's a job, it's serious, it's
something that he he takes toheart.
And uh so a guy like him is isonly helping these young guys,
and he's helped out a couple ofgroups of guys when it came to
tag team wrestling that werejust outstanding.
Uh, and I wish I could rememberwhat the name of the one in TNA
(32:27):
was.
Uh if anybody knows of uh throwit up there real quick.
Uh, we got Troy Donna, sorry, uhTerry Donnahu in here saying,
Fellas, hey brother, good to seeyou in here.
Uh and let's see uh theAustralia trip, uh C Dub.
Um okay.
Uh LAX.
Yes, thank you, uh C Dub.
(32:48):
I appreciate that.
It was uh Conan's group in TNAwas LAX.
Yeah, that I thought that was uhan incredible uh group of guys
when that came along, and thathad a lot to do with Conan.
Uh let me I might get you acouple more things in here real
fast, Teddy.
We're gonna go over just a fewminutes here.
Bernard in Florida writes who isor was the most underrated
(33:10):
female star in professionalwrestling?
Wow.
I can think of somebody off thetop of my head.
SPEAKER_04 (33:21):
Probably probably Molly Holly.
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
She was extremely talented.
But do you think do you thinkthat maybe it was the inability
to really be charismatic oncamera and uh and with a
microphone that held her back?
SPEAKER_04 (33:37):
Well, no, I don't.
I think it was the way that theywere trying to use her, you know
what I mean?
I think you know, may she mayhave had something to do, you
know, with uh how she wanted tobe used on the TV.
Well, she's a woman, you know,so she she has the right to you
know to question that.
Uh, but uh I always thought shewas great and she could good
promos and stuff, but um I'mlike, yeah, I felt like she was
(34:00):
just underused, underrated.
She they didn't give her what Ithought she she deserved.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
And and such a sweet individual.
Yeah, man.
I mean, I mean, good to thecore.
I mean, just how she is.
SPEAKER_04 (34:12):
Yes, yes, she was.
SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
Let's see.
We have um Renee Adams poppingin and saying, Hey guys, how are
y'all doing?
Doing great.
SPEAKER_04 (34:20):
All right, man.
Hanging in here, player.
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
All right, uh, we are at that time, Teddy, where
uh we do have to ask.
Uh, I'm not gonna get into thename association, I'll save that
for the fall-in show.
But uh, let me ask you uh fromtonight, uh, any of the
questions you want to pull uhfor the question of the night?
SPEAKER_04 (34:36):
Uh golly, man, we had so many good ones there.
SPEAKER_00 (34:42):
By the way, I do want to while you're thinking of
that, let me mention that Chrisuh C dub is uh in here and
saying, Crystal for marryingTeddy.
Molly was great.
I love me some Alicia Fox.
Well, I don't know what you'retalking about, but he's talking
about uh the most uh about theladies, uh the most under uh
rated, you know, uh femalewrestlers.
(35:04):
I another name, too, by the way,Teddy, while we're talking about
that, Jazz is one of those Idon't feel ever got uh what she
should have when it came to uhprofessional wrestling in WWE.
Uh that's somebody that firstcomes to mind.
And that's just because she'sfrom an era that I remember and
I know how important she was uhin the development not only of
(35:25):
herself, but so many othersuperstars like Trish Stratus
and the other girls uh to makethem look the way they looked.
It took somebody like Jazz thatcould do that with them.
Uh and so I think she's probablyone of those that's you know the
most underrated uh I can thinkof.
SPEAKER_04 (35:40):
Well, I don't know whoever that was, but tell them
to quit bringing that name up,Crystal.
I keep getting in trouble.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Do you really?
Well, okay, now I'm gonna askyou, why do you oh oh that's
right, that's right.
SPEAKER_04 (35:52):
Yeah, uh already told you this story.
SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
Yeah, I'm not gonna make you tell me again.
All right, Teddy, tell me.
Uh poor Denise.
Uh bless her a little heart.
SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
I'm looking forward to seeing Denise going, you
know, for Thanksgiving, uh theholiday.
Uh I think you know,Thanksgiving Christmas, man.
I think people, if you got afamily or somebody close to you,
you know, I mean, I think that'sthe time y'all should come
together.
Even if you don't like theperson, just come together as
one and you know, and just makethat a special day.
So uh to be with Denise uhduring that holiday, uh, that's
(36:27):
gonna be a real special day forme.
SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Teddy, uh I well, I'm gonna take the uh the pick
from you.
Can I can I pick somebodytonight?
Yeah.
I I I got somebody because whenI when I we talked about this
question, I thought was one ofthe better stories of the entire
uh time that we've been here,uh, was in the beginning of the
show uh when Otto had asked youwhat was the best rib that you
had ever witnessed.
Uh and uh I I like the storythat we got behind that, and you
(36:51):
told us about Butch Reed.
So uh if you missed that, goback and uh watch the beginning
of the video and you'll see whatI'm talking about.
Uh so Otto in Michigan, I gotyour information.
I'll send you a t-shirt, and allwe ask is that you get a picture
and send it back so you can seeuh what it looks like on you.
We'll throw it up on the screen.
All right, uh, let's see.
There's anything else before Iget out of here.
Um, uh yeah, there is anotherone in here, and that is Terry
(37:14):
Donahue, Jazz worked men in ECWthat made her look much stronger
than the boys there.
Uh yeah, because she was legit.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (37:23):
She was much stronger than the boys there.
SPEAKER_00 (37:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's just how I was.
Teddy, I've enjoyed it.
Have fun on Halloween.
Uh, hopefully, you won't goaround knocking on doors asking
for candy.
SPEAKER_04 (37:34):
Well, I hope not.
SPEAKER_00 (37:35):
Yeah, but we know you will.
SPEAKER_04 (37:37):
That's right.
I I cannot be trusted.
SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
I don't want to go out there in the bushes and jump
out when the little kids come upon the walkway.
SPEAKER_04 (37:44):
So yeah, see it, see what I'm saying?
Just evil.
SPEAKER_00 (37:48):
All right, we're out of here.
We'll see you again next week,seven o'clock Eastern Standard
Time.
Uh, we do this live everyThursday night, and we might
have a special guest next week.
So stick around and we'll havesomebody you might be able to
ask questions to uh along withtoday.
We'll see you then.
SPEAKER_04 (38:03):
Holla.
On the first day of all Hallows Days We're screaming
(00:07):
bastards in a punch bowl secondday of all Hallows Day The
Screamin' Besty's in a fullscreen that she's doing up to
(00:49):
screen and batteries do not win.
SPEAKER_00 (03:55):
Hi, Teddy.
There is a different opening, alittle bit different music, but
of course now it is a specialholiday edition of Road Trip
After Hours.
I'm your host, Mac Davis, andthat of course is WWE Hall of
Famer, Mr.
Teddy Long.
How you doing, Teddy?
SPEAKER_04 (04:08):
Uh, I'm doing just great.
And uh, I'm gonna say this.
Uh, I'm gonna have to apologizeto you for all the bad things
I've said about you for themusic.
Uh, this was great tonight, thatopening that music and
everything I thought wasoutstanding.
So if uh you could just keepthat up, you know, we could get
along.
SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
Now I gotta tell you something.
I found a place where you canfind music that you can use uh
that is not been on the radiocharts anywhere.
This is just independent music,or it's made by, of all things,
artificial intelligence.
That's not the case on this one.
Uh, but man, I gotta tell you, Iwas surprised.
I was because all day long afterI put that video together, that
(04:50):
song was bouncing in my head.
There's something catchy aboutit.
Uh, I wish it were more of ajust a traditional thing that we
could use all the time.
But while I'm saying that, I didreceive, and I don't want to say
who or anything else much more,other than I did receive a
special song made for you and Ifor this radio show or for this
(05:10):
uh podcast.
This is not a radio show.
What are you doing?
Hey, look, man, you know it isoh, I don't know what's going on
with you.
SPEAKER_04 (05:19):
That is there's something seeming to be
happening to you every everyweek.
I don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_00 (05:24):
It is working with you.
Okay, let me ask you, Teddy.
This is a Halloween edition ofRoad Trip After Hours in
professional wrestling.
And and those of you who arewatching right now, want you to
chime in too if you don't mind.
Who were the best monsters orscary individuals in
professional wrestling?
(05:45):
Teddy.
SPEAKER_04 (05:47):
Uh I have to say Abdoodle the Butcher uh was one
of them.
SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
Um it was just and Abby was a little bit different
than like the what today's scarykind of uh characters are.
And back in his time, you reallydidn't know what about Abby.
You I mean you kind of believedthis guy was nuts, and even like
Bruiser Brody, another personthat was that way, you weren't
(06:11):
sure if he if it was his headscrewed on all the way, you
know, you weren't sure.
SPEAKER_04 (06:16):
And those guys would never tell you nothing, you know
what I mean?
They just come just comestraight out and attack you out
of the blue.
So you know you would them, yougot to be ready for whatever
coming.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
Yeah, and you know, I've heard stories too that the
even the wrestlers in the back,uh you know, on TV taping days,
if they found out Ebby was gonnabe who they were in the ring
with, they would pack theirstuff up and go.
They would not stay for the youknow to do the match because
Abby was known to be, you know,he he was he was stiff, yeah,
(06:45):
man.
He was.
That's the best way to put it.
Uh any other monsters you canthink of, uh Teddy, that made an
impact on you?
I know for a lot of people whoare watching, they're gonna
immediately go to TheUndertaker, you know, because
that was so hot during theAttitude era and everything
else.
But um, I I really wonder ifthere's even scarier people than
(07:05):
him that were in professionalwrestling.
Anything that comes to mind foryou?
SPEAKER_04 (07:10):
No, not right offhand.
I I don't.
Um Golly, there was one otherguy there that uh I think he
started in the WWF.
Uh another guy, golly.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
There's one here that Dave Crone uh is throwing
at us and he's saying themissing link.
SPEAKER_04 (07:28):
I remember him.
Uh he he wasn't real scary.
What to me?
Okay, uh yeah, don't let mediscredit him, but yeah, I
remember him.
In fact, uh he he was running agym in uh Charlotte for
Steamboat, and uh I went andworked out there.
SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
And you know, there was uh was it the Samoans back
in the early days when theydidn't say anything.
I mean, they just came to theheadhunters and stuff like that.
You know, that we were stillliving in a time where you can
almost believe that that waslegit, and these guys were crazy
like that, you know.
And I think that's why we wereprobably more prone to think so
about the older days than thenew days, because in today's
(08:07):
age, you get it.
You know what I mean?
Back then, you didn't get it,there wasn't social media.
All you got were you knowpictures that people may share,
or the magazines where you seeAbby bleeding everywhere and all
his opponents.
That was, I mean, you'd go to amatch, you didn't want to get
around him because you wereafraid you might get hurt too,
you know.
SPEAKER_04 (08:28):
That doesn't exist much if you got in his way,
you'd get hurt.
SPEAKER_00 (08:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Zach Minger saying NationalCandy Corn Day, Mac and Teddy.
Hey Zach, good to have you inhere and uh back at you, my
friend.
SPEAKER_04 (08:41):
Yeah, thank you, man.
I'm sick of that dog's own candycorn.
I did get some of that frompublic.
Uh Jesus, I'm just burnt out onit.
SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
You know what?
I love candy corn, but it's oneof those things that if you eat
too much, it will make yourstomach hurt a little bit.
So you can only eat it in littleportions, and I'm not that way.
If I eat a bag of candy corn,I'm eating a bag of candy corn.
So that's just how I am.
Uh another name that came uphere from Jesse Wilkes.
Hey Jesse, good to see you.
(09:11):
Viscera always creeped me outfor some reason, he says.
Well, viscera was the real deal.
But uh story before, Teddy,about viscera.
Uh, but uh and I don't thinkwe've done it on the live show,
but he asked you to get himsomething or you gave him
(09:31):
something, and there was anexperience with that.
Can you tell that?
SPEAKER_04 (09:35):
Why are you making me do that?
So, you know, back that that wasa time after, you know, I was um
I'd been selling uh Viagra tothe guys, and um so we went to,
you know, I'd been to wrestler'scourt, I had me in court,
everything.
I lost my case in court, so Iwas having to buy chicken and
(09:57):
beer and some other stuff for atleast a month.
I had to pay much as well.
So uh best wrestler, now the wayI'm trying to pay my fine is I'm
trying to, you know, keephustling.
You know, so I told so Vista,you know, I I I I told him about
it.
I yes, you know, I told him Iturned him on to it.
So uh about uh let's see, aboutthree hours or so later, he
(10:21):
comes and he finds me.
And he says to me, he says, hey,he said, I look down there.
Who does that belong to?
Who's that?
Oh he was, oh yeah, he said hehad never seen that before.
He said, Yeah.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
(10:43):
Oh so he uh uh so I but I had aloyal customer.
SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Let's see, he here's a uh question that kind of came
out of nowhere and I almostskipped over it.
Uh Dave Crohn saying, was JimRoss racist, Teddy?
SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
Well, I I never had no problem with with Jim Ross.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I've you you know youheard different things from
different people.
So I like I always say, we'reall racists, is that when we
take the word evil and we mixthat with racism, then that's
what makes it bad.
But we all racist.
I mean, I got neighbors, I don'treally, you know, I cared for
(11:20):
them because, you know, theydidn't, and y'all can tell they
didn't want to be bothered withme, but we didn't cause nobody
no harm.
I wasn't over there trying todestroy their property, they
weren't over trying to destroymine.
We just stayed away from eachother.
We didn't say nothing to eachother, and that was fine with
me.
So uh that that's the way I lookat it.
SPEAKER_00 (11:36):
Yeah, and I've always said this, and I I and
people I get a lot of hell forthis too.
Uh, people ask, how do you workwith so-and-so, or how how do
you deal with this person?
My experiences with anindividual is what I judge them
by.
Period.
I don't care what may havehappened between Joe Blow and
(11:57):
him as well.
As long as that's not happeningwith me, they're good as gold.
Once they screw me, there's awhole different story.
But I judge people on what I seeand what I receive.
Wouldn't you say that's aboutthe best way to go, Teddy?
SPEAKER_04 (12:11):
I mean, like I always tell you, I always pay
attention what people do for methat they didn't have to do.
Yeah.
That's when you know it's real,okay?
Because I've had, you know,another white person come to me
and tell me something aboutanother white person.
And I know that wasn't supposedto, that wasn't supposed to
happen.
(12:31):
So, but he knew that I was, youknow, something was wrong there.
And he just came to smart me upabout it.
And so that's who I paidattention to, a guy that came
and told me something that hedidn't have to tell me.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
Yeah, I I think too, a lot of times that uh it's we
throw the word racist out therea little bit too uh freely uh
for a lot of people.
And and I this is one of thosecases.
I'm sure that uh Jim hasprobably done or said something
that somebody took the wrongway, and uh and maybe uh
rightfully so.
Uh, but like you say, Teddy,haven't we all done something
(13:06):
stupid that we're all you knowguilty of this, that, or the
other?
Uh and it's the truth.
Um let's go to uh Dave Croneagain, Sting versus Vampiro
graveyard match.
You know, I don't remember thatmatch.
I remember they worked togetherfor a very brief time.
Uh, and I think it was more thatSting just didn't feel like it
(13:27):
was working between the two ofthem.
He didn't feel the you know, thethe he was an easy dance
partner, let's put it that way.
Uh let's see.
Uh we have Playa Teddy.
You have your own YouTube pagecalled Playa because your
picture is right there.
SPEAKER_04 (13:44):
No, I don't have that.
That's not that that's somebodythat's a fake page there.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Well, is that or he's just uh acknowledging the
Mr.
Teddy because he's saying,Teddy, just checking in to say
I'm a huge fan.
Much love, Playa.
SPEAKER_04 (13:59):
Hey, thank you.
Much love to you, Playa.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Let's see what else we got here.
This thing's moving rather slow.
I don't know if it's me.
Uh no, no, no, hang on.
I don't want to do something, soI want to try to get back out of
that.
No, no, no.
Pretty classy lady saying, Hey.
SPEAKER_04 (14:16):
All right, how is she doing today?
Good to see you.
Well, good to have you with us.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Pretty classy lady, you gotta tell me, uh,
whereabouts are you from?
I'm I'm curious because you'vesaid a couple things on here
that had me kind of scratch myhead and think, Do I know this
person?
Uh so uh yeah, you just give usuh at least a region or
something, you know, uh that weknow where you're from.
SPEAKER_04 (14:38):
He's flirting pretty classy, lady.
I can tell you what he's doingright now.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
Hello, Teddy and Mac from Houston and I.
SPEAKER_04 (14:47):
Yeah, that's Miz John Smith.
You know my man uh him and hisson with the podcast that we
did.
SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
Yes, I do remember.
Yeah, and I hope things arestill going well there for him.
And uh by the way, if you wantto be a part of the program, we
haven't even had a chance to saythis.
All you gotta do is leave amessage in the chat room.
We'll throw it up on the screen,and boom, you're a part of the
program.
But in the meantime, we do haveto step away.
You know, there's been a lot oftalk about shoes in WWE.
(15:16):
Here's the latest.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
I love those letters.
SPEAKER_03 (16:11):
Let's find out what you got to say.
Oh boy!
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
This Teddy's favorite part of the program.
It's always going inside themailbag where we get to ask
Teddy.
And Teddy, uh, let's see, ourfirst question is from Otto in
Michigan, who asked, What wasthe best rib you ever witnessed?
It's not saying you are a partof, just one that you've
witnessed.
SPEAKER_04 (16:46):
Oh, okay.
Uh I this one was really good.
It was one night I was managinguh Butch and Ron.
They were uh tag team Doom.
So the rib was on Butch Reed,okay.
So I was part of the rib andnever the reason that made me
part of the rib.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
Okay, hold on.
I just I want for those who maynot know Butch Reed, Butch Reed
uh was uh he was a very realguy, and he's not somebody that
I would first think to myself,let's play a rib on Butch Reed.
That's not somebody you would dothat with.
So somebody actually had theballs to do a rib on Butch Reed.
SPEAKER_04 (17:21):
Well, God rest Butch is so, but the rib came because
they threatened me.
Either I was gonna get beat up,or if if I didn't go and tell
and put a rib on Butch, or theywere gonna put it and they were
gonna tell him it was all myidea.
SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
Oh no.
So either way, you were screwed.
SPEAKER_04 (17:39):
Right.
So so they so they made me gotell Butch after we just got to
working.
Okay, Butcher took a shower and,you know, had put on all his
clothes, cologne, you know, andeverything.
He's ready to go.
So they had got the Butcher toldhim it's that uh the main event
must have been a tag.
Somebody got hurt there and theysaid that uh, you know, we're
gonna have to work again.
(18:00):
So Butch, you know, he looks atme, you know, he says, You
shitting me?
I said, I'm the Butch, how aboutsomething telling you, man?
They say we gotta work again.
So now he gets, he takes off allof his clothes now after he done
showered and everything.
So he gets back into his, make along story short, he gets back
into his wrestling gear and hegets he starts to taping up his
(18:21):
arms and everything, and that'swhen uh somebody ran in and
told, oh, wait, butch, you don'thave to work now.
The guy the guy came orsomething, something they said.
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Oh, oh okay, so I gotta ask you this, Teddy,
because like I said, Butch isnot somebody that you want to
play with like that.
SPEAKER_04 (18:37):
I took off.
SPEAKER_00 (18:41):
You already knew what the next question was.
How long before he I mean, youhad to face him sooner or later.
What happened?
SPEAKER_04 (18:48):
Oh, he's I I didn't see him to the next day, you
know.
Because I think I wouldn't ride,I wouldn't ride with him and run
then.
I think I was with somebody Idon't know, but anyway, he was
he'd come at me the next day tooabout it.
I'm like, Butch, man, you know Iwouldn't have done that, man.
They was gonna get they told methey was gonna beat me up if I
don't do the you don't do whatthey say, man.
SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
So wait, did he ever get back?
Who by the way, who was the whowas ribbing him?
Can you say that?
SPEAKER_04 (19:13):
Uh yeah, I'm trying to I those Steiners.
SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
Oh, well, yeah.
Now, yeah.
Well, if somebody's gonna messwith Butch, it would have to be
the Steiners because they'regonna have to be able to back up
that rib a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (19:25):
So yeah, and and that, and you gotta do what they
said.
If you don't, then you becomethe culprit.
They they they yeah, you're nextin line.
SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
Yeah, that's not something you want.
Uh Jessie Wilkes uh Mac Mackinlaughing his ass off.
Yeah, yeah, I'm Mackin in here,yeah.
Uh, and Ms.
John also saying, We won BestSports Podcast in Detroit.
That's great news.
SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
Congratulations, congratulations, you guys.
Great, great to hear that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
Let's see.
Uh, Monkey Mania is runningwild.
And let's see, what else we got?
Oh, pretty classy lady.
She's answering that question.
I'm from Atlanta, but it's funnybecause my mom has family in
Dublin.
You might be my kinfolk, Mac.
SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
Who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
No, I mean, you know, one thing that a lot of
people are one thing that a lotof people are not aware of is
that Teddy and I, uh when we'retalking about it.
SPEAKER_04 (20:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no, ain't no Teddy and I, it's
just you.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah.
When we when I go to shows andTeddy and I are at a table, uh,
if if Teddy steps away, youknow, I always tell people, I'm
his twin brother.
Well, how can I help you?
You know, and and and somepeople aren't quite sure how to
take that because I'll beserious about it too.
So he really is.
SPEAKER_04 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah, he really is serious, too.
SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
Yeah, yeah, all the time.
Uh let's see.
Uh the natural.
Uh Dave Crone, the natural.
What about the natural?
I guess um you're not a bignatural butchered.
SPEAKER_04 (20:49):
That's where okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Yeah, the natural butchered.
You're right.
Yeah.
Let's see.
And he was a real cowboy too,wasn't he, Teddy?
He did.
I mean, he was three of them.
SPEAKER_04 (20:58):
He rode a horse up in Rufus R.
Jones Bar.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Let's see.
Uh Ms.
John's asking Teddy, what wasyour favorite match that you
refed?
SPEAKER_04 (21:08):
Oh, I don't know, man.
I had a lot of matches, maybebecause basically I was the only
referee.
So, you know, I worked so many.
But basically, I enjoyed workingwith the horsemen.
Those are guys that made youwork.
You couldn't play around.
Uh, working with the MidnightExpress, Rock and Roll Express,
uh, referee and them, those guyswere another great team to work
with.
Just so many people back at itback then, you know, that would
(21:29):
work good workers, and you had achance to work, not only work
with them, you had a chance tolearn from them.
That's the main thing you wantto do, is learn.
So uh I, you know, I had theopportunity to be in uh in the
right place at the right time.
SPEAKER_00 (21:41):
And you know, I it was funny because I've told
Teddy this before.
Um I remember Teddy really moreso from WCW days and the NWA
back when he was over there,because I remember his face in
the matches and some of the bigmatches that took place with
some of the biggest names inprofessional wrestling.
And that's where I first uh knewTeddy.
(22:04):
You know, he was a referee, andthen he became the manager, and
then he got over to SmackDown,became you know the longest
reigning general manager.
And uh I to me, the climb fromwhere you came from, Teddy, when
you and and even before that,even before you started way back
in the NWA, you know, uh being areferee, you were moving a ring
(22:25):
around, traveling, putting upthe ring, doing whatever you had
to do, that's impressive ashell.
And and it is it's cool to me tobe able to say I've seen the
lifespan of your career becauseI grew up during that time to
watch it happen.
Uh, and and that's one of thethings.
And I've talked, like I said,I've told Teddy before, I'm
highly impressed by what he'sbeen able to do in this
business.
Uh, and he earned every freakingbit of it too.
(22:49):
Uh anybody that tries to say hedidn't earn something, go screw
yourself.
He's earned everything he's evergotten.
SPEAKER_04 (22:54):
Uh let's and the thing, you know, that they're
mad at me for doing my job.
SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Yes.
Yes.
Yosef saying, Hey Yosef, good tosee you, man.
He says, Hey Mac, I'm herebecause of Brodown.
Yeah, man.
Uh, any of you guys that arepopping over here on a Thursday
night with us, uh, that haveswitched over to uh Road Trip
After Hours on YouTube, muchappreciate that.
In fact, we ask that you dothat.
Uh, share this around.
(23:20):
Uh, ask people to subscribe andhit the notification uh button.
We're trying to grow thischannel, and uh, we have moved
from Sports Kita because theyclosed down that particular side
of their business in astreamlined effort for the
company.
And uh because of that, uh Teddyand I are trying to grow this
channel a little bit more uh andmake it more accessible to more
(23:40):
people.
And as a matter of fact, uh BillAptor, who used to work with us
on Sports Kita, he'll be poppingover here every once in a while.
You can ask him questions aswell.
Uh from the heyday of the aptormags and pro wrestling
illustrated, inside wrestling,all those great mags from that
time.
Uh let's see, we got a few morethings in here.
I'm I'm trying, we got a lot ofpeople in here.
We certainly appreciate thattoo, by the way.
(24:02):
Uh we have Dave saying we missyou guys in St.
Louis.
Yeah, man, I'm looking forwardto getting back over there.
I really am.
St.
Louis is a great place to go,especially for wrestling.
Uh, he's also saying, uh, whathappened to the jobbers, the
skyscrapers beat up after theshow in the dressing room?
SPEAKER_04 (24:20):
No, they didn't beat him up in the dressing room.
They beat him up in the ring.
It it it took place in the ring.
Um, I don't know whateverhappened to it.
Well, basically just was onlyone guy.
This one guy just, you know,just being an asshole.
So uh they had to, you know, lethim know no, this is the real,
this the real way tonight.
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Wasn't it over?
They weren't selling, isn't thatwhat it was?
SPEAKER_04 (24:44):
Wasn't selling and uh, you know, just clowning
around, man, just you know whatI mean, just wasn't taking it
serious.
SPEAKER_00 (24:50):
Yeah, there's only been a couple of times in
wrestling, in independentwrestling for me, that uh I had
the person wasn't they weren'tbumping, they weren't reacting
like they should be.
And I, you know, I would laysomething in, you know, to make
it look real.
And it was real.
Uh, but more times than not, youyou know, you shouldn't have to
do that.
SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
Well, you have to have to protect yourself.
If somebody out there that'sgonna make you start look making
you look like a clown in thering, then you have to you know
do what you gotta do.
Protect yourself at all times.
SPEAKER_00 (25:21):
Uh let's see.
We have Joseph Brunan heresaying, Good evening.
Hey Joseph, thank you for cominginto the room.
We appreciate that.
Uh also uh let's see, Joseph.
Uh do you and Teddy think Russowill make JCW like Attitude Era,
especially Teddy being ref in 99Russo era.
(25:42):
Um I'm not exactly sure whatyou're asking, but I will say
this.
I know that Vince Russo is goingover to Juggalo Championship
Wrestling.
Uh, and he is doing some writingfor that group over there.
Um, I think it's a good blend.
I think these, you know, him anduh that company could blend very
well.
Uh, you know, time will tell.
We'll see.
I hope so.
(26:02):
I hope so for everybodyinvolved.
Uh Teddy, anything you want tosay on that?
SPEAKER_04 (26:06):
No, I I don't even know anything about it.
SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't think you you did, butuh yeah, let's see.
Playa.
It's weird for me to look atsomebody that has your picture
on it.
Uh Teddy, we need a WWE draftsoon.
They gotta call you up to sortthose rosters.
I don't think that's gonna helpthem.
Uh I I think they need to getTeddy there for the uh the
actual job of running somethingbecause that's what's gonna help
(26:31):
in the end.
Teddy loved you.
This is from Yosef.
Uh Teddy loved you as a WWE ref.
Then you and Mac, that thingsong hit so hard, Teddy.
Uh, you were the best GM ever inWWF history.
Holla holla holla.
SPEAKER_04 (26:47):
Well, thank you very much.
And holla holla holla back toyou, Claire.
SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
Dave saying, Teddy is a legend.
I'm 51.
Uh been watching him sinceelementary school in the little
studio.
Yeah, man.
Those were good days.
I, you know, I don't know why,but I I look more fondly on
those days of wrestling than Ido any other time, even more so
than the attitude era.
And I think it's because it wasthat sweet spot when I first
(27:12):
fell in love with the sport ofprofessional wrestling.
And I think that's always goingto be that era that I love so
much.
Yeah, uh, let's see.
Uh pod twist Jones.
Hope all was well.
Super Laste.
Look, I hope I don't know whatthat means.
Lost day, lost.
And let's see, pretty classylady.
(27:33):
Mac, what are you dressing upfor as Halloween?
Uh, a ghost.
My lights will be off on thefront porch.
I'll have no candy waiting forlittle kids when they come by.
I'm gonna have the door lockedand the dog on the front porch
to scare them away if they trythe em to attempt.
No, wow, no, I'm just teasing.
SPEAKER_03 (27:51):
No, you're not.
No, you know, you're you're ascrooge, I'm telling you right
now.
You're a real life scrooge, I'mtelling you.
SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
I want to tell you something.
This is the honest truth.
We haven't had trick-or-treatersuh come by the house.
I bet you I don't blame them.
Well, no, it's just all the kidsaround here are grown up, and
there's nobody young anymorethat comes around
trick-or-treating.
And I miss that because I didenjoy uh being at the front door
looking at the little kids dressup and come up and get to talk
to them.
I did enjoy that.
(28:21):
Uh, but and I even mygrandbabies, they don't have
that much.
Like years ago, you could justabout go to any neighborhood and
go trick-or-treating.
Well, nowadays you got to go toa festival somewhere that's a
little bit safer where you canget those candies, you know, the
trunking treats and those kindof things.
Uh, and that's sad because Ienjoyed the days of Halloween
when I was a kid, and I got togo house to house, ring
(28:43):
doorbells.
It was nighttime, it was alittle bit spooky, but it was a
lot of fun.
Uh, and you know, unless youwere a real troublemaker, you
should have done well and got alot of free candy in the
process, too.
SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure you did.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
Oh man, well, yeah, you know, and I but you got a
lot of donuts too at that time.
You probably got donuts when youwere growing up.
Oh, they made donuts when youwere a kid.
SPEAKER_04 (29:06):
No, they didn't never heard of it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Oh, I forgot, you're right, because they didn't make
the wheel yet at that point.
That's right.
Yeah, Reggie B fine.
What's up, Theodore Alone?
How are you doing, sir?
Reggie B fine here.
SPEAKER_04 (29:18):
You know him, he's out of Memphis.
Uh he worked law and for many,many years, man.
What a great, what a great, whata great guy, man.
Reggie, good to hear from you,player.
Glad to know you're stillkicking.
And uh, yeah, man, just uhthanks for checking in with us.
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
Yeah, man, always good to have you through here.
And uh Yosef saying, Teddy, whatwould you do if Triple H made
you booker or creative?
Could you turn it around?
WWE is like 94 to 96, WWF NewGeneration Era was okay.
SPEAKER_04 (29:54):
So ain't no use of me true trying to figure out
what I would do because thatain't gonna ever happen.
SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
No.
All right, let's see.
Uh 40 Chris is in here.
Uh, I always hit up the housewith the cooler out front.
Uh you always hit up the house.
Oh, yeah, with the cooler outfront.
Yeah, you just go up and grab asmuch as you want.
Yeah, a lot of people did that.
And by the time I got there,there was no candy left.
But Teddy, that's it.
Man, we have uh we've actuallygotten out of time.
(30:20):
I'm trying to see if there'sanother couple questions I can
throw in here real quick.
Uh yeah, I do want to get one inhere because this came through
uh our uh podcast channel.
I didn't know we had mail wecould get there, and uh, I found
some mail in there.
Uh, Christian from Buzz Sprout,your thoughts on the Meg Sicools
and what happened to HooventuGuerrera's run in WWE.
(30:42):
Do you ever see him coming backand maybe wrestling Ray Mysterio
one day?
SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
No, I don't see that.
I don't see that happening.
You know what I mean?
I think Ray is pretty, you know,I I can't really speak for Ray,
but Ray to me knows that he'shad a tremendous outstanding
career.
And I think Ray's about ready totry to, you know, and try to
enjoy the rest of his life.
And so, uh, like I said, withHooventwood, I mean, I I just
don't see it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
Well, it was uh Hooventude, uh, did you get to
work with him at all?
SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
I mean, did you say uh WCW when he they when they
first come in?
Conan brought him in.
SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
Was he difficult by any?
I mean, no, yeah, we didn'treally see much after uh WCW.
You really just didn't see himlike you did at one time.
And he was I thought was a greattalent.
SPEAKER_04 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, he was all right.
Like I said, uh there were uh uhwho was I just speaking about uh
Conan.
He he uh though they worked forhim, and Conan was like the
booker, he and he brought theguys in from Mexico, so he was
one of Conan's guys.
SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
Yeah, and that was one of those situations where
Conan really helped out uh agroup uh a great deal, much like
uh uh what was the uh LA Oh andTNA God, this I can't remember
right now, but he had a groupthere too, uh, that he put
together.
Conan again, he's one of thoseguys that is legit when you talk
(32:05):
to him.
He's serious about you know uhprofessional wrestling.
It's not a joke to him, it'sit's a job, it's serious, it's
something that he he takes toheart.
And uh so a guy like him is isonly helping these young guys,
and he's helped out a couple ofgroups of guys when it came to
tag team wrestling that werejust outstanding.
Uh, and I wish I could rememberwhat the name of the one in TNA
(32:27):
was.
Uh if anybody knows of uh throwit up there real quick.
Uh, we got Troy Donna, sorry, uhTerry Donnahu in here saying,
Fellas, hey brother, good to seeyou in here.
Uh and let's see uh theAustralia trip, uh C Dub.
Um okay.
Uh LAX.
Yes, thank you, uh C Dub.
(32:48):
I appreciate that.
It was uh Conan's group in TNAwas LAX.
Yeah, that I thought that was uhan incredible uh group of guys
when that came along, and thathad a lot to do with Conan.
Uh let me I might get you acouple more things in here real
fast, Teddy.
We're gonna go over just a fewminutes here.
Bernard in Florida writes who isor was the most underrated
(33:10):
female star in professionalwrestling?
Wow.
I can think of somebody off thetop of my head.
SPEAKER_04 (33:21):
Probably probably Molly Holly.
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
She was extremely talented.
But do you think do you thinkthat maybe it was the inability
to really be charismatic oncamera and uh and with a
microphone that held her back?
SPEAKER_04 (33:37):
Well, no, I don't.
I think it was the way that theywere trying to use her, you know
what I mean?
I think you know, may she mayhave had something to do, you
know, with uh how she wanted tobe used on the TV.
Well, she's a woman, you know,so she she has the right to you
know to question that.
Uh, but uh I always thought shewas great and she could good
promos and stuff, but um I'mlike, yeah, I felt like she was
(34:00):
just underused, underrated.
She they didn't give her what Ithought she she deserved.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
And and such a sweet individual.
Yeah, man.
I mean, I mean, good to thecore.
I mean, just how she is.
SPEAKER_04 (34:12):
Yes, yes, she was.
SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
Let's see.
We have um Renee Adams poppingin and saying, Hey guys, how are
y'all doing?
Doing great.
SPEAKER_04 (34:20):
All right, man.
Hanging in here, player.
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
All right, uh, we are at that time, Teddy, where
uh we do have to ask.
Uh, I'm not gonna get into thename association, I'll save that
for the fall-in show.
But uh, let me ask you uh fromtonight, uh, any of the
questions you want to pull uhfor the question of the night?
SPEAKER_04 (34:36):
Uh golly, man, we had so many good ones there.
SPEAKER_00 (34:42):
By the way, I do want to while you're thinking of
that, let me mention that Chrisuh C dub is uh in here and
saying, Crystal for marryingTeddy.
Molly was great.
I love me some Alicia Fox.
Well, I don't know what you'retalking about, but he's talking
about uh the most uh about theladies, uh the most under uh
rated, you know, uh femalewrestlers.
(35:04):
I another name, too, by the way,Teddy, while we're talking about
that, Jazz is one of those Idon't feel ever got uh what she
should have when it came to uhprofessional wrestling in WWE.
Uh that's somebody that firstcomes to mind.
And that's just because she'sfrom an era that I remember and
I know how important she was uhin the development not only of
(35:25):
herself, but so many othersuperstars like Trish Stratus
and the other girls uh to makethem look the way they looked.
It took somebody like Jazz thatcould do that with them.
Uh and so I think she's probablyone of those that's you know the
most underrated uh I can thinkof.
SPEAKER_04 (35:40):
Well, I don't know whoever that was, but tell them
to quit bringing that name up,Crystal.
I keep getting in trouble.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Do you really?
Well, okay, now I'm gonna askyou, why do you oh oh that's
right, that's right.
SPEAKER_04 (35:52):
Yeah, uh already told you this story.
SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
Yeah, I'm not gonna make you tell me again.
All right, Teddy, tell me.
Uh poor Denise.
Uh bless her a little heart.
SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
I'm looking forward to seeing Denise going, you
know, for Thanksgiving, uh theholiday.
Uh I think you know,Thanksgiving Christmas, man.
I think people, if you got afamily or somebody close to you,
you know, I mean, I think that'sthe time y'all should come
together.
Even if you don't like theperson, just come together as
one and you know, and just makethat a special day.
So uh to be with Denise uhduring that holiday, uh, that's
(36:27):
gonna be a real special day forme.
SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Teddy, uh I well, I'm gonna take the uh the pick
from you.
Can I can I pick somebodytonight?
Yeah.
I I I got somebody because whenI when I we talked about this
question, I thought was one ofthe better stories of the entire
uh time that we've been here,uh, was in the beginning of the
show uh when Otto had asked youwhat was the best rib that you
had ever witnessed.
Uh and uh I I like the storythat we got behind that, and you
(36:51):
told us about Butch Reed.
So uh if you missed that, goback and uh watch the beginning
of the video and you'll see whatI'm talking about.
Uh so Otto in Michigan, I gotyour information.
I'll send you a t-shirt, and allwe ask is that you get a picture
and send it back so you can seeuh what it looks like on you.
We'll throw it up on the screen.
All right, uh, let's see.
There's anything else before Iget out of here.
Um, uh yeah, there is anotherone in here, and that is Terry
(37:14):
Donahue, Jazz worked men in ECWthat made her look much stronger
than the boys there.
Uh yeah, because she was legit.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (37:23):
She was much stronger than the boys there.
SPEAKER_00 (37:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's just how I was.
Teddy, I've enjoyed it.
Have fun on Halloween.
Uh, hopefully, you won't goaround knocking on doors asking
for candy.
SPEAKER_04 (37:34):
Well, I hope not.
SPEAKER_00 (37:35):
Yeah, but we know you will.
SPEAKER_04 (37:37):
That's right.
I I cannot be trusted.
SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
I don't want to go out there in the bushes and jump
out when the little kids come upon the walkway.
SPEAKER_04 (37:44):
So yeah, see it, see what I'm saying?
Just evil.
SPEAKER_00 (37:48):
All right, we're out of here.
We'll see you again next week,seven o'clock Eastern Standard
Time.
Uh, we do this live everyThursday night, and we might
have a special guest next week.
So stick around and we'll havesomebody you might be able to
ask questions to uh along withtoday.
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