Angelic Attendants with Julie Ryan

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Sweet eternal balance of all that is good, true, and
beautiful friends, Welcome back to Rogue Ways, where today is
my honor to welcome a woman who has created and
run her own highly successful businesses and multiple arenas of life,
and has come to success in the inner world as well.
She's followed her master within to find herself as a
spiritual guide and teacher for those who are crossing over

(00:58):
to the other side and more. Surrounded by angels and
able to see beyond the veil. She accomplishes so much.
The beautiful soul, the compassionate Julie, Ryan, Julie, Welcome to
Rogue Ways and how are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm great, Hi girl, I'm so grilled to be here
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I'm so excited for our conversation today. I know the
audience is going to get so much out of it.
I love your energy, I love your authenticity. I love
your sort of just down to earth and wanting to
empower others as a passion of both of ours, I think.
So I'm just really excited. I do want to say
to my audience out there, thank you for being here
and being you. You can check out my books, my
one on one spiritual healing sessions, my Orgo and accumulators

(01:35):
and more at rogueways dot org and the channeled messages
that come through on rogueways dot substack dot com. And
I appreciate all of you for connecting with any of
those things. And back to you, Julie with the pointless
question of the episode, which is what's your favorite animal? Hell,
there's so many.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't know that I have one. I never thought
about it. What's my favorite animal? Probably a dog?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I was actually thinking dog before you even said that,
So that's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, it's funny because I feel like most people have
an answer to that question. But I was like, man,
I still probably should have told you ahead of times.
You had time to prepare the well.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I think spontaneity so always the best when we're talking
about woa woo. It makes it more fun, that's true.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Have you had some really powerful dog companions in your life?
I have, Yeah, absolutely the best a friend. I mean,
I guess that's why we call a man's best friend.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, and their spirits show up when somebody's dying. They're
in the room, they're with a person who's dying. And
we can communicate with our animal spirits at any time,
whether they're attached to a body or not. I do
that all the time. So yeah, and all animals show
up when somebody's dying. We talk about that later. But

(02:57):
when my mother was dying, the first time I saw
these spirits at the bedside, when somebody was transitioning, my
childhood dogs were there, and I thought, oh my goodness,
I hadn't seen them in twenty twenty years or more
because they'd passed when I was a couple of them
passed when I was a child, and then one past

(03:18):
when I was in college, so I guess i'd still
kind of you know, not an adult adult yet, right,
And I thought that was so remarkable. That was the
first time I'd seen it that I've seen it many
many times since.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I love that, you know, I a lot of times
animals will physically show up when I'm doing work with someone,
like they want to be in the room, They want
to be there in support of the work that's going on.
And I also see them on the spiritual level sometimes
sometimes even from previous lives, which blows my mind. Right,
they're still around there, still wanting to connect and still
wanting to serve. And I guess we say that too, right,

(03:51):
like I'll see you on the Rainbow bridge on there
they are.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
You've seen it so well, I didn't they One of
the thought before I lose this to lindsay, I think
that I don't think. I know that they're divine messengers,
like hawks are divine messengers and different animals. If an
animal shows up in work that I'm doing with a client,

(04:18):
we'll look up what the spiritual meaning is of the
animal and we'll get the information. It's fascinating what they signify.
And certainly all the indigenous cultures throughout the world have
animals as part of their ceremonies, and gosh, the ancient
Egyptians and prehistoric man they were drawing animals on their

(04:41):
cave walls. So I think animals have been an important
part of human life since the beginning of time.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, and they are really
significant and there are spiritual guides that are in the
form of animals.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I love hearing that they're there in what you see
when someone is passing, and this is the work you do.
This is you know. I read your book Angelic Attendance,
and you described this whole entire process, and I'd left
to get into all of that. I wanted to ask you, though,
you know, you weren't always this person who saw beyond
the veil and who saw you know, all of this
come through when someone's dying, and that wasn't sort of

(05:16):
your whole life, right, So how did you arrive at this?
And was your mother's passing the first time that you
sort of tapped into it?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, my mom's passing was the first time that I
really it was the first time I'd ever been around
somebody who's dying. Number one and number two, I had
started studying what I call woo woo, which is anything spiritual.
And I was raised Catholic. Twelve years of Catholic schools,
which I think that Catholics do a great job of
preparing us for spirituality because we learn about angels and

(05:47):
saints and the Holy Spirit and stuff like that. But no,
I did not have dead people chasing me when I
was a child, or if I did, I didn't know
about it or what it done. With that, I learned
how to do all of this. We all have the
ability when we're born. Everybody, every human has the ability.
Every animal has the ability. You know, animals can see spirits.

(06:10):
You might be watching TV and your family room at night.
Your dog's watching somebody walk across the room and you
can see their following somebody and we're thinking, well, who's there.
I just turn on my radar and find out. But
before it was like, well what are they watching? Nothing's there?
So no, I learned how to do all of this

(06:31):
stuff in my mid thirties and I've been doing it
ever since for well for thirty years, and now do
it as as a business.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, now you get to share it with everybody.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I should say, I love it.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, well, you know, and this is I think how
a lot of the process can go for people as
you like awake into it. More and more you have
an experience that sort of turns you on. And we
have those little things, like you said, there's some stuff
like Catholic school, you know, prepared you, which, by the way,
I love here that because I think so many people
can look down on Catholic school and Catholicism right, but
to look at it in this positive of what it

(07:06):
actually gave you is beautiful, you know, seeing the spirits,
noticing that the dogs are seeing something you don't see.
We all have this sort of I think progression as well,
and then by the time we're sort of really fascinated
by or like you said, studying woo wo, then we're
starting to access our gifts and realize that we all
have them. And so I love that you've come to
this place too where you're just helping empower other people

(07:29):
to access that and to step into it more. And
I think this is the time for it. But we'll
get back to that too. So when you had this
experience and you saw your mom, you know, transitioning, what
was the experience like, what did you see?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, ten years before that, Lindsay, I started studying medical
intuition and energy healing. That's really what my path. What
the path was that brought me to this because somebody
gave me a book. My girlfriend gave me a book
called Anatomy of This Spirit, and Carolyn Mace, the author,
called herself a medical intuitive, and I thought, well, what

(08:04):
the heck is that. I'd never heard that term before,
and back then we didn't have the Internet yet. So
I went to a Bouron's Noble bookstore to find out
if there was anything else there that I could read,
and I learned about a book called I found a
book called Hands of Light by Barbara Brennan, who's a
former mess a physicist who parlayed very complex quantum physics

(08:28):
theories into understandable languaging for the non scientific mind that
would be me. And I wanted to know more. So
I called her school and I said, you guys, have
anybody teaching this stuff in my area? And I said, yeah,
as a matter of fact, we do. And so I
studied with this woman for six years, primarily on the
medical stuff. But once you know this, once you get

(08:49):
in touch with spirit, you can do at all. I
don't understand why they have the mediums and the psychics
and the pet psychics and the healers and the it's
like it's all spirit. You connect us, beirits get it all.
So I had never been around anybody who was dying,
but I could, I could perceive spirit, I could communicate

(09:09):
with spirit at this time, and I was watching angels
and the spirits of deceased loved ones and pets that
were in my mother's room in these configurations, and I
watched this series of events happen, and I thought, good Heavens,
what is this because my heart was breaking on one

(09:30):
side of the equation because my mother was dying very unexpectedly,
And on the other side of the equation, I was
seeing all this glorious stop happening. And it was interesting
as I was going through it, because I'd see something
in my mind's eye and that I'd think, I have
no clue what this means, but I know there's a

(09:52):
part that it's playing. And then as she got closer
and closer to departing for heaven, then it all started
to make sense. Now I've seen it a billions of
times and teach people about it.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, how intense to to have that, like you said,
that sort of duality of like deep grief and loss
and you're just you know, a human losing something so
sacred it feels like, and at the same time be
seeing this whole new world right of all of these
layers of beings and things that are so beautiful. And
I feel I have this experience more and more myself,

(10:27):
where you know, when someone's passing, I'm sort of like cool,
like good job, right, like right, like this is a
beautiful thing. And also I have to remember, like it's
also really sad, and it's also hard, and the physical
part of us wants to always hold this person and
be near them, and so it really is this duality, right.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well, it is. And I think too that there's lots
of information out there about the afterlife and about the
phases of grieving and about near death experiences, but not
a lot of information about what happens when we're actually dying. No,
and we're afraid. Most of us are afraid of what's
happening for our loved one, and it makes us face

(11:07):
our own mortality quite frankly, and are thinking, waw, I'll
all be there myself one day, and what's going to
happen then? So h that's the information that I've been
led to convey, And there is university based research now
that shows that ninety percent of people at the end

(11:28):
of their lives see the spirits of deceased loved ones
and pets as they're approaching death, and it normally starts
about six months out and they see them either envisions
or dreams. Ninety percent. Yeah, that's a bunch. And I
think in the past we've thought, well, grandma's just hallucinating.

(11:49):
That's not hallucinating. Grandma's actually seeing her deceased mother who
has been dead for fifty years.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Grandma's closer to reality than we are actually the truth. Yeah,
well yeah, I feel like there's sort of this disservice
we do when people are dying and when they're saying like, oh,
there's you know, Grandpa Joe, and we're like, no, no,
that's not what's happening. It's like, well, yeah, what were
we to say, right, Like, just like it really is experience?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, well it is, and it comforts not only the
person who's dying, because all these loved ones are there.
I call them the Welcome to Heaven Committee. Everybody goes
to Heaven. There's a movie out in the eighties called
All Dogs Go to Heaven, All People Go to heaven too. Yeah,
And I find that it's it's so comforting not only
for the person who's dying, but also for the family

(12:37):
to know that, oh my gosh, how fabulous is it's
a miracle. These deceased loved ones are there and we
can describe what they're wearing and what they look like
and communicate with them, and it gives the family lots
of comfort as well.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's it's yeah, it's very reassuring, like you said, to
know that your your family member, your loved one, is
moving into this place, they're well taken care of, loved
cared for. Also that the life goes on right, that
you still have access to these consciousnesses. They haven't disappeared, right,
and therefore you don't either. So there's just this sort
of continuity and reassurance. And I do think people really

(13:14):
need that and need to hear this and understand this,
because there's such a fear of death in our culture,
and I think we've gotten really far from I actually
think we used to have a better relationship or understanding
with death, and I feel like we've become really disconnected
from that. I feel like in the past, you would
sort of, you know, you'd see great Grandma pass and

(13:36):
you'd have like the wake and you'd see the body,
and it was all just sort of present. And now
it's sort of sterilized and separate, and we might not
even be there for it, and then we definitely don't
see the body, you know what I mean. And so
I think we need this. I think you have this
special medicine that you're bringing to people.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Right, well, I agree with you. And it was all
divinely guided. When I was first approached about writing this
in from my who is now my spirit guide, main
spirit guide, and I think he'd been around for a
lot longer than I knew, and he said dead Pope Lindsey.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
He showed up one day and he said, you're supposed
to teach the world what happens when somebody dies. And
I said, I'm not doing that. This woman.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I relate to this. I'm like, no, oh, someone else.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
And at first I asked him who he was. I said,
I said, well, who are you? I mean, that was
nice about it. And he had the whole pope outfit
on the hat to Shepherd's raw investments, the whole nine yards,
and I couldn't see his feet and I assume he
had red shoes on. And I said, who are you
and he said, I'm Pope Clement or I'm Clement and

(14:45):
I said, oh great, I never heard of a Pope Clement.
He laughed and he said, well I was number six
And I said, oh nice, How may I help you?
Kind of like, why are you here? That's what he said.
You're supposed to teach the world what have so when
somebody died and I said, yeah, I'm not doing that.
He said, well, you know, I said, I'm a businesswoman.
He said, everything that you've done has prepared you for this.

(15:09):
And people are so afraid because it's been bastardized over
the years and everybody goes to heaven and there's nothing
to be afraid about. And you need to teach the world.
You know what you know because you know that and
you know what you see. And I said, yeah, well thanks, no, thanks,
see yuh bye, thanks for stoping bye kind of a thing. Yeah, So, Lindsey,

(15:31):
I go to my car to go home. I was
with my mentor and she could see him too, and
hear him, and I'm in the car and I thought,
just for kicks, I'm going to do an Internet search
on this guy on my phone, and I did well.
Come to find out, Pope Clement the sixth was in
office during the Black Plague and he's best known for
his prayers for the dying and his prayers for the dead.

(15:55):
And I thought, Ryan, you can't make that up. No, yeah,
I never heard of the guy, and here he is,
you know, very connected with death and dying. And so
it took another probably two or three years until I
finally said, all right, I'll do it. The catalyst was

(16:15):
we were at church. My husband was on one side
of me, my son was on the other, and our
my favorite priest and my whole life father, John Fallon,
said from the pulpit, people are so afraid to die
because they don't know if they're gonna fly or they're
gonna fry. He said, wouldn't it be nice if we
knew that angels and the spirits of our loved ones

(16:36):
would would you know, lead us into paradise? And I'm
getting elbowed by my son and my husband, like you
know the truth of that, and I so I finally said, okay, God, really,
from the pulpit, you're giving me grief about this. And
so I decided to go out on a limb, literally

(16:58):
because I thought this is gonna affect my businesses. People
are gonna think I'm nuts, And here we are. There
are so many churches and synagogues and hospice facilities. I
just talked with a hospice facility person this morning who
wants a bunch of my books to give out to

(17:20):
their not only their employees and volunteers, but also to
family members.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
So it's really gone far and wide in ways that
I had no idea what happened.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, you know, I think this is often sort of
the way it goes to And you know, I think
people I don't know if you're familiar with the hero's journey,
but there's the parents called right, and they go start
going on, they find some of their friends, and then
they usually retreat from the journey. They're like, no, never mind,
not doing this. And so I think people can kind
of relate to this, you know. We I don't think

(17:52):
either you or I or anyone else on this sort
of path actually wants to reject any gifts or anything.
But there's just sort of a point where you're like, Nope,
not me. And then there's another point where You're like, okay, yeah, Actually,
I see that everything has been leading to hear. Everything's
been pointing this direction all along. All the skills I've
got along the way are actually, you know, here to
help me along this new path. So I think it's

(18:14):
really relatable.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Actually, well, I'd live in Birmingham, Alabama, and at the
time I thought I all have men on horseback with
white heads and white capes, so they're gonna be bourbon
across in my front yard or something. And that has
not happened. It's been really really well received by people.
And I have a fun story that I tell when

(18:38):
the very few times that I've been challenged about it,
may I share that, yeah, please do People a couple
of times have said, well, you know, I don't believe
in this stuff, and I say, oh, okay, And they're
usually pretty like fundamentalists or you know, very ensconced in
some kind of a very stringent religion or church or philosophy,

(19:00):
and I'll say, oh, okay, that's great. Who what do
you want to talk about? You want to talk about football,
the weather, food? You know, we don't have to talk
about this. No, you know, when I back off, they go, no, no,
I'm interested. I want to hear what you have to say.
And I'll say okay, great, and then I'll say, well,
do you pray? And they say, of course I pray.
I'll say great. To whom are you praying? Jesus, Buddha,

(19:23):
Saint Anthony, whomever, and I'll say great. So when you're
talking with Jesus, is Jesus sitting next to you on
your family room couch in your home when you're talking
to him? And do you get answers? Oh? Yeah, I
get answers all the time from my prayer. I say, great,
Jesus sitting there talking with you on the couch, and
they'll say no. I said, oh, you're talking with Jesus's spirit.

(19:47):
And you could just see like the light bulbs go
up in their heads and they say, I never thought
of it that way. And I said, well, that's exactly
what you're doing. You're just talking with Jesus's spirit. And
then they want to they want to know more because
they get it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, there's that, you know, area where we can all
find some sort of common ground. And when you can,
when people are open to that, like the transfervation that
can occur for them is is huge. So it feels
like you've found this way to sort of bridge this,
you know, religion and just spirituality, right, and that they
don't have to be separate.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, And in every at the end of every Roman
Catholic funeral, there's a prayer said called in Paradisum, which
in Latin means into paradise, and it talks about how
angels and the spirits of deceased loved ones will greet
you and lead you into paradise. I mean, I've been
to a ton of Catholic funerals in my time before

(20:46):
my mother's, but when it was set at my mother's funeral,
it's either sad or song as part of the ritual.
I thought, oh boy, that's what I just saw. And
so when I was writing Angelic Attendance, I looked up
where did it originate and learned that it began as
a fifth century Gregorian chant, and I thought, well, perhaps

(21:07):
it took till the fifth century till somebody was well
educated enough that they could read and write, and back
then it was usually a man. It was men who
were the most well educated, and the ones who could
read and write the best were usually monks. Either in
synagogues or or monasteries, and I thought, I bet people

(21:30):
have been able to see this since the beginning of time,
and it just took till the fifth century until somebody
could really write about it, and it became this Gregorian chant.
And then I thought, as to your point earlier about
we've kind of gotten away from being able to accept
the death and dying process. And that's because of our

(21:52):
modern medicine, because it has been sterilized. People are in
the hospital, or they're in a nursing home, or they're
getting some kind of care, and the families are not
necessarily the ones that are doing the majority of the
care anymore. And doctor's roles are to save people, they're
not to let them die. And so I think we've

(22:14):
gotten away from that, and the more we've gotten away
from it, we don't have that frame of reference. We
don't have that experience of perhaps a family member in
our home that's passing and it's just a natural part
of life. When I was little, I'm one of four
and one of my uncles who was just a jokester,

(22:35):
he was hilarious. My family's all been buried out of
the same funeral home in Columbus, Ohio. And so upstairs
is the casket showroom. And we were kids, my uncle
John used to take us upstairs and we'd play in
the casket showroom. So we weren't we didn't know we
were supposed to be afraid of it. But if I

(22:57):
did that with my grandsons, oh my, they'd be mortified.
They're now teenagers, but they'd be mortified with that because they're.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Not used to it.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think that's a really good point about we've sort
of we're doing everything we can to stave off death
and to use medicine and all of this sort of
space between us and death. And you know, not that
you also want to just say like, oh yeah, let
anyone die at any time, right, But there is a
healthier balance we can strike with this of really being
more connected with it, understanding it, knowing that there's nothing

(23:29):
to fear, and bringing that into the process itself. I also,
you know, I've had a lot of death in my life,
but really have I been able to sort of be
around the dying themselves. A lot of it's been sudden
and sort of away from me. But I was able
to see my grandmother close to passing and spend a
lot of time with her, and she just glowed. And
this was kind of before I understood my spiritual gifts

(23:52):
or anything, but I mean I couldn't deny the light
and just the peace, and I was overwhelmed by it.
I was like, oh, I guess this is a really
good thing. Actually, you know, yes, sad, but I'm also
like really happy for her. Look at her, right, How
could I not want this for her? And it was
somewhat confusing, but it was also really reassuring, Right.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I just meld that, well, sometimes death is the healing. Yeah.
And there's a colleague named Chris Kerr. He's an MD,
PhD and runs a big hospice center in Buffalo, and
he calls end of life care in our medical world
and assembling line of the absurd. He said, you know,

(24:33):
these people are obviously dying, and they're doing these procedures
and surgeries and tests and all this other jazz. He's like,
it's just absurd. But that's what they're taught in the
medical schools. I mean, nobody has any any ulterior motives
or any malicious intent. They're just doing what they've been

(24:54):
taught to do and what they believe is best for
the patient.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Right, Yeah, it's sort of like, oh, there's something's happening,
like rush people to the hospital. But I love at
least that we've gotten to hospice, right, that's a much
more I think just sort of natural, like, let's death
is going to happen. Let's just help it be as
pleasant as possible, right, or as easy as possible for
the person. That's sort of more and more I hope

(25:19):
popular to have hospice care and to do that instead
of sort of I don't know the hospital interventionist way.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Right well, and there most hospitals now have palliative care
staff that will come in and talk to the family
and say, here's what we think, here's our assessment, and
do you want to bring in hospice. Do you want
to just be on palliative care where we just take

(25:49):
care of you, but we're not going to do any
any extraordinary means to keep you alive and all of that.
And when hospice really became more popular when insurance companies
started paying for it, and now really because most insurance
will pay for hospice care, and now there are people

(26:12):
who are becoming what's known as death dulas. Yeah, like
birth doulas, they're death dulas and they are the bridge
between the family and the hospice caregiver because I think
people believe that hospice is going to be there twenty
four to seven and help them, and they're not. They're
going to stop by maybe a couple of times a week,

(26:35):
maybe spend an hour. But these death dulas are the
ones that are really helping the family with the care
because to your point earlier, we don't know how to
do that.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, yeah, we don't. And you know, we don't want
the burden to be on just one or just a
few people either. It's nice to space it out, but
these are these huge transitions, are birth and death. So
to have these people who are you know, intimately connected
with that understand the process, able to support the emotional
and the mental and the spiritual side of that, not

(27:05):
just the okay, now we have a body and now
we need to bury or you know what's going to
happen next, but the whole human right supported such a
much more beautiful process. So I bet death duelists come
to you for training or support or to understand this
process too, Is that right.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I've had a couple of them on my show, which
you were a guest, which I loved.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Oh yeah, so fun.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And so we've had a couple on the show. That
was a new concept for me. I wasn't familiar with
death doulas.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I've heard of it more and more, but I'm not
technically really familiar for it with exactly what they do.
I saw like a sort of video of a woman
who had terminal cancer very young, and she had her
death doula help, you know, her and her family just
live as freely and openly as they could until that
time came right. And so that was a sort of
little initiation into maybe what they what they do. But yeah,

(27:57):
I just think we're going somewhere special, and we've got
people like you, We've got more and more people coming
to you to learn sort of what this is all about,
things like hospice, things like death dulas. Makes me feel
really hopeful.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Actually, Well, the other thing that's important is on the
spiritual side. Everybody goes through what I call the twelve
phases of transition, and it's the configuration of how the
spirits are are assembled and the angels and what happens
to the person who's dying, what happens to their spirit.
And it's important to remember too that everybody goes through

(28:32):
these phases of transition, whether it's instantly like in the
case of a homicide or suicide, or whether it's prolonged
over days, weeks, months, even years, because time doesn't exist
in the spirit world. Times a human creation. And when
we remember that, it doesn't matter how somebody passes. Furthermore,

(28:53):
we all decide when we go, where we go, who's
with us or not when we go, and what the
circumstances are that surround our passing. And there are bazillions
of stories out there about Grandma Susy waited until her
daughter arrived from the airport to say goodbye, and then
she was dead within an hour. So and so was

(29:15):
hanging on, hanging on, hanging on until something happened, like
let's say a deal closed or something along those lines
that was going to benefit the family, and then decided
to depart somebody else. Funeral directors have lots of stories

(29:36):
about things like that, and every critical care worker has
stories like that too, So we really have control over
when we go and how we go and all of that.
And if you think about it, when somebody is the
victim of a gun shooting. Let's say somebody's been shot
by a robber or something by a criminal. They don't

(29:59):
all die, A lot of them recover.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
The person decides their spirit decides, okay, this is my
ticket to ride. I'm checking out of here, and the
other spirit of somebody else is going to say, okay,
I'm going to recover. Yeah, I'm going to get my
health back. So it's really interesting when we look at
that whole scenario of that we're in control.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
It's very empowering. I feel like some people, though, don't
really understand that it's a sort of super conscious decision. Right,
You're not necessarily in control on this human ego level. Right,
You're not like okay, June fifth, like you know, twenty
thirty two or whatever. You're just it's a higher level
of yourself, I think, right, that's actually arranging this.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
It is, And interestingly enough to Lindsay, a dear friend
of mine, when she was in medical school in the
seventies at Dartmouth and Ivy League School. The first day
in medical school, they taught them about the power of
the mind because they were talking about voodoo medicine and

(31:03):
how somebody, let's say a witch doctor has a voodoo
doll and has stuck pins in and tells the person
you're cursed, you're going to die tomorrow, and the person dies,
and they talk about really the power of the mind,
which then they use to illustrate the placebo effect, right
with medication and with healing, that the placebo effect always

(31:28):
in clinical studies. I think the statistics I've seen show
that fifty two percent of the time in drug in
different medicines clinical studies, that the placebo effect will perform
better than the actual chemical, the actual drug.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yes, just the belief that you're telling something that will
do this, right, is what is actually doing it. Yeah, yeah,
it's crazy. I mean, this is this is the type
of stuff you're also talking about the NASA physicist right
who wrote this book about healing or whatnot or the
healing Light. And I feel like so many people need
these sort of materialists science views of this exact same phenomenon,

(32:09):
power to mind, power the soul, right, But they need
that in those sort of terms to really accept it
and trust it and believe in it. And I think
that's actually really valuable. You know, it's not spirituality or science.
It's both. They're both important, right.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, it is, and I consider that to be science
catching up with Woo woo because wo was sent around
since the beginning of time. Wu, by the way, means
source and Taoism.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Really yeah, I thought we just made it up.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well I think we did. But but it's fun, you know,
it makes it fun. I also have heard that there
was a study out of Oxford University in the UK
that showed that when it came to diagnosing cancer in patients,
that doctors were four times more accurate when they followed

(32:57):
their intuition, their gut feeling than when they followed just
the tests. Huh four times? Four times measure that? How
do you measure intuition? But it's it's very prevalent and
there's lots of research that proves it.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Right, Well, I love that. I was actually just reading
too that all of you know, the greatest sort of
physicists and you know, I almost haid magicians, but magicians
as scientists, you know, and all of these great thinkers,
our Einstein and all of these people, they are you know,
study study, study, test, test tests, but actually their breakthroughs
are almost always intuition. Or inspiration, right, I call.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Those divine downloads. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, you kind of have to like make the vessel ready,
but then it can just appear.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, I think we're getting them all the time. It's
just a matter of recognizing that that's really what they are,
because we're being led all day long spirits communicating with us.
But it's said that we get seventy thousand thoughts a
day into our brains and we just can only process
so many of those. But you think about every book.

(34:05):
I know, when you wrote your book, I'll bet my
bottom dollar that there were times when you wrote something
and then you went back and read it and you thought,
I don't really remember reading writing that, but is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, we're all channeling every book, every piece of music,
every lyric, every screenplay, every piece of art, every design
of every building, or it's all channeled. It's all coming
in from spirit.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah yeah, spirit first form second right exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Well, I have a communications degree and I'm an inventor
of surgical devices sold throughout the world in a former
manufacturer of them. How's that work?

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I hadn't even learned woo woo yet. I was getting
ideas into my head about things that could be done
to solve problems in the operating room. And just because
I was in that industry, he is a sales rep.
And then I knew what was wrong with the products
that were out there because I can read, so I

(35:08):
and talk to people. And then I have all these
patents and trademarks. Now, so you know, I don't have
a training and all that stuff, but I knew how
to hire engineers. Yeah, and I started my first company
at twenty five. That was all channeled, but I didn't
know it at the time. All inventions are channeled. All

(35:28):
this stuff is all channeled. Do you think JK. Ralling
really has that big of an imagination, right exactly? Or
or George Lucas with the Star Wars stuff, was there
are some people that believed that he was remote viewing
another planet and or he lived on different planets in
past lives or concurrent lifetimes.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Right or yeah, or other timelines or all the above. Right.
I love like as you say, because I've looked back
at my own life and seen the same that Oh
I was channeling way back then. I was. I was
divinely guided all these times and right before you knew
wu wuh you're saying you had these intuitions and inspirations,
but you can see it looking back. And I just

(36:12):
think that's so important for people to hear too, because
all of us are all of us can see that
when we look back, go oh, yeah, there's where I
was sort of saved, or say, spirit saved my life.
Here's where I was guided, There's where I was channeling,
and you see, like, oh, yeah, of course me, why
not me? I've been doing this all along? Actually right, Well.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
And most people have experienced thinking of somebody and they
either get a call from them, get a text from them,
get an email, run into them, and they say, oh,
I was just thinking of you yesterday. What a coincidence. Well,
there's no coincidence there. That's your tuition, that's your telepathic
ability that's connected into that person that you're going to be.

(36:53):
You know, it's going to contact you. We've all experienced that.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yes, yeah, And I really the more we think about
those things, the more we see them, and I think
the more it sort of activates our ability to then
really accept it in the moment and moving forward and
like more and more. But I do want I want
to get back to this, you know, what you actually
see when someone dies. And you talked about this twelve stages,
and it's always twelve. There's always twelve on everything. There's

(37:19):
like twelve disciples and twelve you know, astrological signs, and
so we've got these twelve stages, and yeah, do you
want to share a little bit more about that? Sure?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Do you know why it's twelve? Why because one plus
two is three and three is divine perfection? Oh?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
The Bible uses numerals, and all spirit communication is in numbers,
and then our heads translate it, we decodeed when it
comes in and so that ancient people knew this in
the Bible, and they have Bible numbers. I have a
list of the Bible numbers right here. I keep it

(37:56):
under my blodder on my desk. I get my glasses on,
and it's really interesting. Three and seven are my favorite.
But the Bible, the Old Testament, is written with a
lot of numbers in it. To your point, you know,
twelve disciples and twelve whatever. And they did it because
the people were illiterate and there was a consistency that

(38:18):
they could maintain by using the numbers in the stories.
So three is divine perfection. Seven is spiritual perfection. One
is unity, two is division. Three is solid, real, substantial,
divine perfection. Four is things that are made material things.

(38:40):
I can send this to you if you want. It's
really interesting. And I heard a priest give a talk
on this I don't know ten years ago, seven nine,
ten years ago, who had his doctorate in counseling. He
was a therapist and he was an Indian priest named
Fi Joy. That was his real name, his first name,

(39:03):
Joy Joy. And he gave a talk on this, and
he was really into numerology because he said, it's all
through all the Holy texts, and numerology I have come
to realize is spirit's language. So when I'm conversing with somebody,
perhaps that didn't speak English when they were alive, and

(39:26):
we're communicating with them, and their loved ones are working
with me. I'm working with them to communicate with their
grandma's spirit in heaven, let's say. And they said, well,
she but she didn't speak English. She only spoke Russian.
Do you speak Russian? And I said no, But when
the communication comes in, it comes in in numbers into

(39:46):
my head and my brain decodes it into English. So
I don't need to know Russian.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Right, Yeah, I've heard this too, right. I think it
was Albert Einstein who said, like God is a mathematician.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Oh, I haven't heard that, but yeah, that makes sense. Well.
And those numbers can come in in visuals. They can
come in in signs and symbols and feelings, And depends
on how we process information. How do we learn. Are
we have visual learner and auditory or a kinesthetic learner.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
It's really fascinating, It is fascinating, and I think it's
so important again for people to hear what you're saying,
because everybody's channel is slightly different, right, Like, how will
it come to you? It's going to be slightly different
than it will for someone else. So ah, yeah, do
you feel it? Do you see it? Do you hear it?
Do all of the above right? Right? Right? How is
it right?

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Well?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Like when that blue dress went around the internet a
few years ago, some people saw it as blue, some
people thought as purple, some people thought as white. It
was fascinating. The difference is in everybody's perspective is unique
because all of us are unique as well. So to
answer your question, I went down a rabbit hole there,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I love the neurology rabbit hole your question.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And when we're dying, we go through what I have coined,
these twelve phases of transition, and the spirit exits the
body through the top of the head. I was taught
in Catholic schools that the spirit is someplace in the
chest area. The spirit or the soul, you use them interchangeably,
And that's not what I perceive, lindsay. What I perceive

(41:22):
is the spirit's the main part of us, and the
body is inside the spirit. And so when the body
and the spirit are starting to disconnect because somebody is
transitioning into pure spiritual, you know, pure energy without the
density of the body, it exits through the top of
the head and it hangs on when somebody's dying, and

(41:43):
it looks like a speech bubble and a cartoon where
the words are the thought of the characters are located.
And then that hangs like that through all of the phases.
And then the first spirit to show up, and I'll
say more about that in a minute. The first spirit's
always the closest maternal spirit to the person who's dying.

(42:07):
So in my example, let's say I was dying, my
mother's deceased, so she would be there. Had she still
be a lot been alive, it would be my maternal grandmother.
If she was still alive, it would be her mother.
It's always on the maternal side, which I find really fascinating,
And the only thing I can equate it to is

(42:28):
in Judaism that children are not considered Jewish unless they're
born of a Jewish mother, which is why when Gentile
women marry Jewish men and they want to raise the
children Jewish, oftentimes they'll convert to Judaism because in their culture,
it's always the mother, you know, it is the one

(42:50):
who determines it. So I think that's fascinating. But the
mother is spirit is the first one to show up,
the maternal spirit, and then they bring in the angels,
they bring in the other spirits. The paternal spirit is
the second one to show up, and that's the maternal
that's the the father figure. Whether there's be a father

(43:11):
or a grandfather or a grand grandfather, always on the
maternal line.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Still, wow, So it's still on the maternal line even
when it's the most maternal.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah. So my father's deceased, if he was still alive,
it would be my maternal grandfather. Okay, it's always on
the maternal line.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, so that is fascinating too. I think I really
thought it'd be like, I mean, I joke about this,
but it's really true. I thought God has some kind
of you know, dispatch office in heaven and he sends
the angels to come, you know, when somebody's dying. It's like, Okay,

(43:54):
Stanley's dying, you know, send send the angels to Stanley,
and Stanley's guardian angel can run the show show down there.
But that's not how it works. It's the mother's spirit
that brings in the other spirits and brings in the
angels and all the other spirits that come to be
part of the Welcome to Heaven committee. So that happens,

(44:15):
and then the angels show up and they're in a
circle with the maternal and paternal spirit anchored at the feet,
and then the circle of angels. And these angels, lindsay,
are big. They're like a Catholic girl would think they
look like from the statuary into paintings, right, that's my
crime of reference. So they are six to seven feet tall.

(44:38):
They've got wing, big wings, they've got weight gowns on,
they've got a rope belt in their barefoot. Well, is
that what they really look like. That's what I think
they look like, because that's what I was taught how
they look. But somebody growing up in an indigenous culture
in the middle of the Amazon may see angel energy

(44:58):
as just a ball of purple fluff or something. It's
all going to be predicated on what our frame of
reference is in our lifetime. So the angels, the circle
starts to open up into a horseshoe, and then it
eventually goes to a straight line, let's say, across the

(45:19):
foot of a bed. Let's say somebody, just for this example,
is in a bed. Spirits of deceased animals start showing
up midway through. There are two additional angels that show
up midway through as well, and they position themselves on
either side of the spirit bubble or some spirit that's
hanging on to the top of the head. And about

(45:42):
phase nine, those angels on either side of the spirit bubble,
their wings start to move and it's this slow, rhythmic glide,
and it reminded me when I saw this the first time,
when they showed up, I thought, oh, with my mom
I thought, I don't know what these guys are going
to do, but I know they're going to be very
instrumental in her passing. So their wings start to move

(46:05):
and it's a slow, rhythmic movement, and it reminded me
of a giant owl. Have you ever seen a documentary
on an owl? You know, they're silent and you can
almost feel the drag when they're moving those giant wings.
And what I noticed was it created a vortex above

(46:25):
my mother's head and I could see it, I could
hear it, and I could feel it, and it was
this upward pull. It reminded me of driving through a
car wash and at the end when they they turn
the dryer on it, it sucks all the water off
your car. Yeah. So so these angels wings movement created
a vortex that helped my mother's spirit and helps everybody's

(46:47):
spirit separate from the body. And so when I was
writing Angelica Attendants, I thought, I'm just going to check
this out, see if there's anything if anybody else has
seen this. But what I learned was when I put
in wings owl vortex, what I learned was there's this

(47:08):
thing called the wingtip vortex that's an aeronautical engineering phenomenon
that there are many, many, many thousands of articles and
drawings and pictures and stuff like that. And everything that flies,
whether it's a plane or a jet, or a bug
or a butterfly or whatever, it gets a wingtip vortex.

(47:32):
They're these vortices that form from the movement of the
wings and they form and they cause lyft. And I thought, oh,
my goodness, these angels wings in the spirit world are
causing a phenomenon that I can see, I can feel,
and I can hear, and they're causing lift. They're helping
my mother's spirit evacuate from her body. And everybody goes

(47:57):
through that, and then they are escorted to heaven by
those angels.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
And I'm all in dying. It's all nine tall in.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
The dying, dying situation. Yeah. And then the interesting thing
is it's always up and to the right. They're always
escorted up into the right as I'm watching.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
The scene and your right, my right, okay, And there's and.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
It's rare that I'm with somebody when I'm doing this,
you know, it's usually remote that I'm watching this happen
and describing it to the family members. And so I
was giving a talk at a conference called Helping Parents Heal,
which is for parents who've lost a child. And there
was a physicist in my audience when I was giving

(48:45):
my talk one time, and I said, I don't know why,
but I always see him move up and to the right.
And he came up and he said, I can tell
you why. You see it up into the right, And
I said, okay, And he said, think about unscrewing a jar.
When you're trying to lift the lid off, you screw
it counter clockwise and it goes up into the right.

(49:07):
When you're screwing it down, it's clockwise and it goes down.
He said, that makes total sense to me, and I said, yep,
makes total sense to me too. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I love it. Yeah, it's so amazing to me. I mean,
it makes so much sense to me that you know,
all these ancient precepts we hear like as above, so below,
as within, so without, and so as we're you know,
screwing things, or as we're flying and creating lyft like
it's the same in the other way. Yeah, right, one
thing really yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So so then heaven looks like a big plasma wall
to me. We go through it and there's no trace,
and then all our loved ones are there waiting for
us on the other side of the plasma wall. And
I've never seen Saint Peter at the pearly gates with
a clipboard going okay, you're allowed to know, you've got

(49:58):
to go burn for eternity, right. I've never heard that,
But I love this. I had a client one time.
We were talking with her deceased dad's spirit in heaven
and he had recently passed, and she said, well, Dad,
did you know that I was there? And he said yeah, yeah,
and he said it was amazing. He said it was

(50:19):
like a magic trick, he said, because all these spirits
were in the room with me, and then when I
got to heaven, they were all in heaven. He said,
it was like the magician that puts the girl in
the box and taps it with this magic wand and
she disappears, and then he taps it again and she reappears.
I love that. It's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, Oh, it's so beautiful. Yeah. So, I mean there's
not there's no one who would no matter how they died,
even they died alone, no one knew they were dying
or whatever, there's no one who would die actually alone.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Never, And this is so comforting, especially for people who
lost a loved one during COVID and they couldn't be
with them, or they were in the hospital or a
nursing home, they couldn't be with him, and they're just
agonizing that their loved one died alone. And the guilt
they feel a lot of people is palpable because they

(51:12):
couldn't be with them. And then also I think a
lot too Lindsay of the gold Star families and anyone
who's lost a child or lost a loved one in
the military, in a military conflict, or in a car
accident or drop dead of a heart attack, we'll hear

(51:32):
that sometimes and we think, oh, they were alone. No,
they weren't. They were surrounded by angels and the spirits
of deceased loved ones and pets spirits. And when we
describe what the people look like the spirits that are
in the room, a lot of the time the family
will say, Oh, that's Grandma Jane, or oh that's my

(51:53):
uncle Charlie, or that's you know, that's our our fluffy dog.
That was just a samoiit or something. And we called
it fluffy.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, and so that gives them a lot of comfort
as well.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
It's really comforting and I so, you know, I'll also
show this brief story. When my grandma passed, I did
not go to her funeral. I was just in whatever.
I rejected funerals this time. My father died when I
was really young, so I was like, I'm never doing
a funeral again. That was awful, right, And so for
that reason, I told myself I had to work and
I needed to make money and all sorts of things. Right, Really,

(52:34):
my soul was like, not very I think happy with
that choice. Well, the night of her funeral, I actually
had a dream that she came and took me all
the way to Montana, two states away. I was in
Washington State at the time. We flew there through the
night sky. Right we arrived there, I got to see
her funeral. I got to see her being late in
the earth. I got to see her headstuff, you know.

(52:55):
I got to see Also, she took me to her
childhood home. She said, yeah, I grew up and I
was like, wow, this is a tiny, tiny house. And
I was like really astonished by it. And she was
laughing and I woke up and I felt so good.
I was like, oh, she's not mad at me, right,
I got to actually be with her. Many years later,
I saw a picture of her childhood home and that

(53:17):
was the home she took me to. So then I realized, oh,
that was really real. It wasn't just my mind trying
to cope with this, right, Like, it was actually what happened.
And so I also, not everyone's going to have that experience, right,
But I just think even if someone was alone, or
you weren't able to be with them, or that was
somewhere else so you couldn't make it to the funeral, like,
your soul will make any connection happen. You know, you
don't have to hold yourself hostage with these feelings of

(53:40):
guilt or sadness. Right, we're all we're all connected on
the soul level.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I don't care. I don't care. The funerals and memorial
services are for the living, It's true, they're not for
you know, they're in heaven. It didn't get a better
than where they are. Try to hear that. I've last
count of how many times I've heard that from spirit,
because their loved ones are saying, well did my dad,
like the funeral we threw for him, or just my grandmother,

(54:09):
like the bench in the park that we did as
a memorial to her. She likes it, if you like it,
if it makes you feel good, she's thrilled. They don't care.
They're in total bliss. That's a human thing.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
She likes it, if you like it, if you like
Oh yeah, I hear about.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
All the time. I heard a funny one last summer.
I was visiting friends in Ireland and their little five
year old granddaughter named Willow, who's just darling. She went
to know her guardian angel's name, so we got it
for it, and then she said, well does she have
a middle name?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Why is it?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't know, So we asked her angel and her
angel said, if she wants me to have a middle name,
I could have a name. And then she gave us
the name.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
And so that was fun.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
And I think it's important to remember too that they're
going to give us names just so weak and have
a human frame of reference. They don't care about that stuff, right,
It doesn't matter to them.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I get this all the time too, when someone's spiritual
guide comes through and you know, there's some name or
something attached to them, and they're like, they're like, oh,
I don't know, like I feel weird saying that. So
I'm like, you can call them Bob if you want.
I mean, like, they don't care at all, Right, it's
just a love you hold in your heart or just
the thought of being connected is all it really takes.
It doesn't matter what the word is.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I guardian angels. When I
first started doing this work, they give me these names
that were fifteen letters long and no vowels. You know,
what is this a dead language? What is this like,
you know, secret code and spirit language or something, And
so I finally just said, I can't pronounce that. Can

(55:51):
you just give me an easy English name to use?
And then they started coming in with Bob and yeah
right and am and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I've got the same thing. I'm like, you want me
to try to say that? And they're like, no, no, no,
you say whatever you need to say. Yeah, can't pronounce
this right. So I wanted to ask you, you know,
I know how I feel about this, and I'm sure
I know what your answer is to but there's a
lot of people out there who feel like it's a trap.
You get coaxed into believing your you know, angelic people,

(56:26):
your relatives, or they're like, oh yeah, well come to heaven.
But actually, if you go with them, it's a trap
and you're going to be forced into rebirth again and
now you're stuck in the cycle and there's no escape
on So their their goal is to not go with
the people who come to get them when they die,
and I and I try to Okay, So anyway, so
what do you what would you say to someone?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I have never heard that before.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
It's all over our place never. Oh I know. Interesting,
it makes you feel very sad. But I would love
to hear your take on this.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Well, I think it's all our spirit's decision and and
they don't care. It's our spirit's experience. And the thing
that really is alind Twister to me is when we're
going through something that we would perceive is horrific here
on earth. And I've heard a bazillion times from spirit

(57:16):
there in heaven going you go, girl, you go, Lindsey.
Let's see. God, isn't this fun to watch? I wonder
what she's going to create out of this? How's she
going to get out of this pickle that she's gotten
herself into. And you're down here going, oh, this is awful.
This is the worst day of my life. And in
heaven they're going, ooh you keep going, girl, you got this.
You know, they think it's great. And so it's all

(57:39):
perspective and they could care less what we do. It's
our experience, it's what our spirit wants to explore an
experience in this lifetime. So yeah, when somebody that's fear,
and fear is something that really holds all of us back.
We all have it. Most of it's your rational And

(58:02):
so what happens if you die and you reincarnate, so
what so you get to decide what your next life's going.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
To be exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I talk to people all the time who are like, Okay,
I'm done, how do I not come back? And I'm like, well,
you're probably going to come back, but you're going to
want to. Sorry to break it to you, like, you
just feel this way right now here, and it's a
very limited and it's fear and it's whatever, and you know,
but you're going to transform that, You're going to release that,
and you're going to be like, I can't wait to
come back. Actually right, like this time I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Or when you're in heaven you get to decide if
you want to come back or not, and if you do,
what the script is that you're going to explore.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Right, So you know we hear this stepha with near death.
As you know, people go and then they're saying, oh,
do you want to go back? You don't have to, right,
you could stay here, but also you want to here
you go. They get a choice, and then I don't
hear from the ones that chose not to come back.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
No, that's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
So I think we know that we chose this and
that we might choose it again, but either way it'll
be our choice and there's no trap here, which really.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Helps, I think, take the sting out of a lot
of things. When we are in situations that are less
than optimal and we think why is this happening to me?
And we think, well, because we chose it. We wanted
to go through this experience and explore it. And we think, no,
we didn't. I would never choose this. Well, yeah you did,

(59:33):
and when we get back to heaven it'll all make
sense to us. So if we can just go to
the place of is it feasible? That's where I go
when I don't understand something. Do I understand it now?
Is it feasible? Yeah? Well I know when I get
back to heaven. Yeah, And then I move on. And
it seems to satisfy my endlessly curious brain.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Right, like why yeah you might. You might even actually
find out the same day later or a year later,
right before you ever get to heaven. The other day,
I just got a ring that was my father's again.
He died when I was very young, so I loved it.
I was so happy to receive this ring. Means so
much to me to have something of his. I have
some stuff, right, but this is just another thing that

(01:00:15):
I get to have that's connected to him. So happy
to have it. I was so happy it fit my
pinky finger, so I was like, oh, I can wear it.
He actually received it when he was just a really
small baby or a child, so a really tiny ring.
So I was like, oh, I can even wear it.
And I'm wearing it for the first time ever. And
I get home after doing a bunch of errands all
over town and it's not on my hand. Oh, and

(01:00:35):
I just devastated. I was like crying. I was like
telling you, it's like I hate myself. I was texting
people for losing this precious thing I just got right.
I was in such a dark, despairing place about it.
I was like, why God, like, you know, all this
stuff I go. I had to go get my laundry

(01:00:55):
out of the laundromat drying machine. And there it was.
I was like, right, it was only a couple hours later,
and I was like, oh, and I was hearing even
as I was in this distraught state, just trust. Trust. Trust,
It's okay. Trust. There's a reason trust. Everything's fine, you know.
And I was like, you trust, right, just so mad,
and there it was, and I did just have to trust.

(01:01:17):
And you know, there's lots of various lessons in this,
but one of them is like, you might actually find
out the reason for your suffering pretty quickly, right, And also.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
It's all imagined.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I made it all up. I didn't lose it
at all. Actually, yeah, right, yeah, I threw myself into
the ringer for this thing that didn't actually matter at all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Right, right, Well, And most of the work that I
do too is medical, intuitive and energy healing work. And
so people that are going through some major health issue
oftentimes are wondering what did I do to deserve this? Well,
there's always an emotional component in play before any kind

(01:02:01):
of medical condition arises. And I believe that in the healings.
And I'm like a human MRI. I can with permission,
I can see inside people's bodies. They can see broken bones,
torn ligaments, firal infections and bacterial infections, whatever, cancer. But
I believe that when we pinpoint what the emotional component is,

(01:02:22):
when we get to the core of where did that
energy block begin and eradicate it, which I do with
every client, that's when the real healing begins. Because we
can fix body parts all day long. But if you're
leaking power, what's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Right, Yeah, You're going to recreate the same situation exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Yeah, No, That's so important for people to understand, and
I share with people like this as like a shortcut, right,
It's a really supercharged shortcut to work with a spiritual side,
of the emotional side, of the mental side, you know,
and sometimes the physical has to go hand in hand.
You have to do whatever you know chiropractice who knows what,
but you know, you really have to go to that
other place because that's where it came from, that's what

(01:03:05):
created it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, I love that, but it's a shortcut. That's
a great way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
So do you do still that type of work with
people as well as you're teaching people to become medical
not medical? Sorry, what do you call it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
When you're teaching I teach them the buffet of psychicness.
I'm a buffet. I'm a business woman who learned how
to do woo woo. When I'm a buffet of psychicness,
that's perfect. Yeah. So I teach people connecting with spirit,
and when you do that, you can do it all
as we talked about earlier. Communicate with spirit, get divine guidance, past,

(01:03:42):
live stuff, healing stuff, pet stuff, tell how close to
death somebody is. Spirit guides angels, all the whole nine yards.
And it's really really fun, and I think people get
so serious about it and it's not. It's like the
more serious you get, the less it's going to work.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
It's like it's own mottage.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Well, yeah, because spirit comes through us and it works
through us and with us on all of this stuff.
So it's it's been the most fun thing I've ever
done as a career. And I might spend an hour
with a client and we're talking to their dead grandma
and we're scanning them energetically and doing a healing on

(01:04:26):
whatever's going on in their body. And we're doing a
past life thing and we're scanning, you know, lastly, their
Collie dog. So it's it's really the once you connect
with spirit, then you have access to the whole buffet
of psychicness.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I totally agree. And this is why I think it
was a confused people at first, because they're like, well,
do you offer, like are you a medium or are
you this? Or are you that. I'm like, I just
opened the channel and we just see what happens. And
that isn't necessarily what everyone wanted to hear, right, but
it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I call myself a psychic medium and and medical and
medical intuitive and psychic medium. I think, yeah, I don't know,
it's just a label. It doesn't matter. It's just like you,
you know, you connect with spirit and then to see
where it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Well, this understanding, I think is slightly new. Were two
and kind of coming onto the scene and people are
starting to see exactly what you're describing that. It's all
of it. You don't have to compartmentalize it and give
it labels unless you need them. That's cool too, but
you don't have to do that. It's freeing, right, It's
like everything you're talking about is very freeing. It's very empowering,
it's very uplifting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Well, and I think it comes too from like our
medical industry. You got the guynecologists and you know, and
the cardiologists and the neurologists and the whatever else ologists,
and you got the psychics and the mediums and the
pet psychics and the healers and the it's all the
same thing. Yeah, you know, all those different specialties in medicine,

(01:05:58):
it's all one. It's all one person's body. And yes,
you've become a specialist, but you got to remember it's
like a spider web where you pull on one little string.
That's we're all like this beautiful spider web. I have
a friend who's a physician that describes it this way,
and she said, you pull on one little string and

(01:06:19):
the whole spider web vibrates. That's how the body works.
It's all one thing, mind, body, spirit, it's all the
same thing. It's all energy, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Very holistic. It's very you know, spiritually holistic, I'll say.
And I do feel like the world's sort of ready
for it, right, Like I feel like, you know, we're
talking about divine timing and you came to your gifts
at the perfect time, and all the things have a
line to sort of make it that way. And I
feel like we're sort of collectively coming into this divine
timing moment. And do you feel that, do you feel

(01:06:50):
like this time is unique and special or how do
you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
I do. I think that the spirituality in the zeitgeist,
in that conversation, and if people don't buy it, at
least they know that it's a thing. And when as
I mentioned earlier, I love it that science is catching
up with woo woo. It gives the credibility to those

(01:07:14):
linear thinkers who want to see proof, while university based
research is pretty good proof. And it's changing. I find
that newer generations are less observant of the religious traditions
or even the cultural traditions, and they're coming in it's

(01:07:36):
like they're more advanced. Every generation, I believe comes in
more advanced because they build on what the previous generations
have laid the framework for with their lifetimes. For example,
every toddler knows how to use an iPhone before they
can talk and walk. A lot of them they're not

(01:07:58):
talking in sentences yet. Some of them aren't even walking yet.
The boy they can use an iPad or they can
use an iPhone, and I think they do that way
better than I do. How's that work? And little children
just know this stuff. We all come in with the ability,
and then we start to tamp it down when adults

(01:08:19):
and our friends are saying, well, that's not really true.
You know, there's nobody standing over there. Who are you
talking to? You're just weird. Or a parent or grandparent
who can't see a spirit or can't see energy that
this child is seeing, will say, I think that's just
your imagination, that's not really real. So I have a

(01:08:42):
whole series of children's books called the Angel Messages Series.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
And it's because I've had so many mothers and grandmothers
Lindsay over the years that have said, how does a
little Johnny know about my great grandfather who died when
I was five. I mean, he never knew him, but
he says, Grandpa Charlie comes and plays trains with him
at night in his room, and he knows information that

(01:09:07):
is true. But this little boy can't even read yet.
And how do little children know information about past lives?
And they come up with details that can be corroborated
with historic documentation online, and again this child can't read yet.
And then my favorite is not a wake of a funeral.

(01:09:30):
If somebody's at somebody's passed and they're at the funeral
home and they're telling them little Susie who's four, well, honey,
nanny's in heaven now and her grandmother, Nanny's in heaven now,
and little Susie saying, no, she's not. She's asleep in
nut box up there in the front of the room.
And so I've had so many of them over the
years say to me, you know, how do we explain

(01:09:53):
this stuff? And so I wrote these four children's books.
I've got one here. I just want to show you
how cute look at these illustrations on you know, it's
a picture book. This is angel Messages for Dogs. Oh.
I love that. It's just it's they're just darling, right,
And so the adults get as much out of them

(01:10:13):
as the kids. It's got like maybe fifteen sentences in it.
It's about the illustrations more than the words.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Right yeah, rightness, that feeling and broaching that concept.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
It's really helpful too, because I think a lot of
people really do their Their child came in, like you said,
a little bit more advanced, and they're like, how do
we even help?

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
How do they know this stuff? Yeah? Yeah? I love
that they were sitting on the periodic table at five,
so they can't read yet.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Seriously, I hear this all the time, right, They're like
talking about all of these like ancient wars or just
different things like math and science. I just saw a
video the other day of a kid who's like seven,
and he's talking quantum physics and he's like, don't worry,
you guys will figure it out soon, but this is
how it is. And like, where did he come from? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Gosh said that to me. I'd love to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Oh yeah, I'll try to find that. There's a guy
that does something called recess therapy. I don't know if
you've ever seen him. It was on his show, but
he goes and talks to little kids just about anything,
and they'll come up with the most amazing things sometimes,
and this is why I love children. But I love
that you have those books for them too. Yeah, I
know that you also have a you know, a book
for us. We've talked about it a few times through

(01:11:19):
the episode. It's called Angelic Attendance, right, yep, I have
it right here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Oh, I feel like a game show hostess. And I
put it up. I hit the book Angelic Attendants, What
really happens since we transition from this life into the next.
Anybody that wants a free copy, who's listening, just go
to Juliryangift dot com Julieryangift dot com say hey, I

(01:11:45):
heard John Lindsay's show, and we will send you a
free digital and audiobook download and share it with everybody
that you want, because I give away thousands of these
a year because I believe this information should be taught
in the schools. And that's one little thing that I
can do. And I talked to a woman this morning
whose husband died a month ago, and she I got

(01:12:09):
on the zoom with her Lindsey and she was just just,
you know, so distraught, just so upset and everything, and
she said, I read your I've read your book several times.
She said, I got the audio book as well, and
she said I listened to it as my husband was dying.
He was in a hospice facility for a couple of weeks,

(01:12:32):
and she said he was seeing spirits of his loved
ones that were there with him in the room, and
she said it gave me so much comfort because I
knew what was going on. And there's a free chart
of the illustrations in the book are drawings of the
different phases, and you can get a free chart to

(01:12:56):
download just to ask Julie Ryan dot com and go
to the twelve phases tab. If you have somebody that's
in the phases of dying or in this in late
stages of life, I always suggest download it and save
it on your phone and then you just ask what
phase is my mom in? What phases whoever in and
you'll hear a number and then you can refer to

(01:13:18):
the chart and it's just so comforting. And when you
see that the family member or the loved one is
progressing through six, seven, eight, you know once they get
to about phase nine, because you just ask what phase
and you'll hear a number. In your head, then you
want to bring people in who want to say goodbye.

(01:13:39):
And one other thing, people can come in and out
of the phases. They can move around. Just because somebody's
in the phases doesn't mean they're actually going to die.
There are several cases that I've witnessed where I thought
this person was going to be dead in an hour,
and fifteen years later they're still up walking around and

(01:14:00):
they completely come out of the phases.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
So oh wow, that's so interesting. So you can go
into you can be maybe all the way phase eight
or something, then come back and never mind.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah. And the other thing that's interesting about it too
is that when somebody's in a phase and they move around,
it helps the family because people sometimes take time off work,
they travel far distances to be with a loved one
at the end of their lives, and it just gives

(01:14:32):
us a little bit of an inside scope of what's
going on. Yeah, it's comforting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Yeah, both comforting. It's helpful. It's also empowering. Again, like
you said, you're going to use your own spiritual channel
when you ask yourself what a phase is, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, And it's the first thing comes in your head
you ask a question. It's just like boom, you'll hear
a number, and if you think about it for more
than a second or so, that's going to be your
brain talking to you. Ask the question.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Again, that's good advice on all life, right, Like all
of your psychic impulses are like this exactly. We're really
good at second guessing ourselves and our I am at
least right moving into the thought instead of the reception.
And yeah, it's really good advice.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
I'd like to overanalyze the daylight set of everything. It
stay out with the weeds. What's that first thing comes
in your head? That's the key, and then just go
with it, even if it doesn't make sense. Yeah, because
even if we're especially if we're conversing with somebody and
we get a message from their loved one and we're thinking, well,
that's bizarre. I'm not saying that, don't edit anything you

(01:15:36):
get because nine times out of ten it's going to
mean something to that person. And if it doesn't mean
something to that person, it's usually because whatever whatever the
event is to which they're referring and hasn't transpired yet,
hadn't happened yet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah, I get this a lot too. I don't want
to say something I feel like that's ridiculous. I don't
want to share it with the person i'm channeling for.
I just have to do it anyway. Most time it
does mean something. And then there are those signs where
they're like, I have no idea what you're talking about,
But like a year later they'll email me and they'll say, oh,
that dog you were talking about, like I just found him,
Like here he is, He's in my life. I'm like, okay, cool, right,

(01:16:12):
So you have to trust yourself with some of this stuff. Yeah,
I love this. So I'm gonna put the link below
wherever where people are watching or listening to this both
links so you can go to ask Julie Ryan dot
com for all of Julie's content is there everything she does,
and also the Julie ryangift dot com if you want
to get that book for free. I loved it. It's

(01:16:33):
very concise, it's very compact, it's just full of information.
It's very authentic, down to earth, like I said, and
I just think it's a fantastic support for anyone, whether
you think you're about you know, close to anyone who's transitioning,
or it's really far off, it's still just really awesome
to connect with all of this, and so I think
it's great that you're sharing that with people. You also

(01:16:55):
have your show that we talked about. I've been on
your show and it was such a fun experience. You
want to tell people more about how to find your show.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Sure, we're everywhere. It's called ask Julie Ryan. Everything's asked
Julie Ryan on all the socials, Asked Julie Ryan, YouTube,
asked Julie Ryan. We've got five channels in five languages,
so they're all asked Julie Ryan, English, Spanish, Portuguese, German,
and French, and so we're dubbing the shows into those languages.

(01:17:21):
And then we're on all the podcast networks as well,
and you can ask Alexa, Hey, Alexa play, ask Julie Ryan,
and Alexa will play. We have gosh, I think we
did show six hundred and thirty five last week. We
have hundreds of episodes in the library. Three we released

(01:17:43):
four shows a week. Three are interviews. One is a
call in show. Every Thursday night at eight Eastern people
call in from all over the world and partake in
the buffet of psychicness. So we talked to your dead Grandma.
We can scan your cat, we can scan you, you know, medically,
we can tell close to death somebody is, we can

(01:18:04):
talk to spirit, guys do past lives. It's so much
fun because I never know who's going to call. I
never know what their question is going to be, and
I never know what Spirit's answer is going to be.
So it's it's really high vibe, really fun, really fast,
and it's just a blast. So people come in on
the YouTube live stream and they'll put questions in the chat,

(01:18:27):
and then others come in via zoom and all that
informations on my website. You can even get the free
digital and audiobook download off of ask Julie Ryan dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Oh cool, I love that. I didn't know you were
doing that live, you know people.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Yeah, that's a last It's so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things that I've I've
been able to do both having guests on my show
do that live, and then also being able to do
that live myself. Sometimes it's such a beautiful gift to
people to be able to just access this right and
so I love that you're doing that's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, and it's fast, it's fun, and it's free. Yeah.
So you can do that, and then people schedule appointments
with me. I have five graduates that work from my
class that work with me, and they do client calls
and you can usually get in within a week or so.
Several of them work on weekends because people work and
they you know, the best time for them to talk

(01:19:22):
is during the weekend. And we've got like this whole
sliding scale from free to a lot, so there's something
for everybody, and lots of free content on the website.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
So helpful. Yeah, people need all levels of access.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Yeah, exactly, very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I love that you have all of that available for everyone.
Is there anything else we haven't talked about that you
want to offer people or send people to or we've
got it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Well, my trainings, everybody can do this. I've taught more
than a thousand people how to do woo woo and
they do the whole buffet of psychicness. I just finished
a training this past weekend and it online and we
had people I believe from four countries in there. And
so I've got intro trainings, I've got just medical intuition

(01:20:09):
and energy healing trainings. We've got the whole buffet of psychicness. Training,
so that's really fun. There are practice groups that go
with the trainings that are really important because it's like
you go to a seminar or a class and then
done what you know. Really the skills are developed in

(01:20:29):
the practice sessions. So all of my trainings come with
practice sessions, the ones that I control, and I did
do a medical intuition training on the Shift network and
that does not have practice groups. But my trainings that
are my personal trainings all have practice groups. I think
that's really important.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
I do too. Yeah, when I was doing dream walking, right,
there's the instruction, but really it's the practice. Like it's
when we come together and actually do those together where
you're getting all of the it's it's just you have
to you have to practice put it in. It's and
it's really great to do it with a group, right,
not just a great teacher like yourself, but also a
group of people. Really I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
A validation well, yeah, validation and then you learn to
trust it. Once you trust it, then it's just second nature.
It's like developing those neural pathways in the brain. It's
like driving a car. You can go to a you
can go to a class. You can read a book,
you can ride in a car with somebody else driving,
but until you're behind the wheel several times, you don't

(01:21:33):
have any confidence in it. This is the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, I think there's something too. The group just bubb
books each other up right, there's like the field.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Exposen Yes, yes, high vibe. I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
So that's really important. So, yeah, you have so much
to offer people. It's all asked Juli Ryan dot com.
You can get that free book as well. I highly
suggest people check into all of these things. Julie, you're
such an awesome person to have at the helm here
leading so many people to their spiritual buffet, our psychic
buffet of gifts. And what are your final thoughts or
messages you want to leave people with today.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Well that we're all loved. We're all pure love. That's
the key. Everybody goes to heaven and we're getting spiritual
guidance all the time. We just have to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Beautiful, well said and fellow travelers of the path, it
is a beautiful thing. This has been your analog, electric,
concentric dose of wisdom, according to the angelic attendant Julie Ryan, Julie,
thank you so much for being here and being you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Oh, thank you for having me. What a delight always
to be with you, my girl, Oh awesome, Thank you
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
I hope you do it again soon. And no one
is alone in death. You've been preceded by untold trillions
of souls who have passed beyond the veil before you.
You will be met by your favorite souls when you transition,
and you will remember that you have done this countless
times before. There will never be a single thing to
fear until you hold that light of truth in your heart.
Travel well in for bounce ones and always look inside first.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
Yeah, come on, rat Kings.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Maybe it's the rap machine.

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
Yeah checking.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
Great period in private? My motherfucker run no, yeah, come
on you no place with my fist up, beat it out, resistment.
You don't see that they feed us and lead us.
This is just a part of the process.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
Just watch this becauseition's about to get crazy like a
mist build. We lost it classic.

Speaker 7 (01:23:42):
Let's start it again because now with technology, with smart
of men, the women, this is the beginning at the head.
If this is the message of hope that I send,
look on your TVs and culture of death. Don't keep
on lying to the very last crap we can mot
Timing is spreading the truth, Howard, and survived in this

(01:24:03):
world for the youth, the door is closed. See the
old world instead. Let's tell a nature Understeading is dead.
How includes you and you include being. Let's seek when
we could fill with some positivity. Let's go to move
it too slow.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Let me see your hands if you know what I know,
Come on, wrap like mummy, ain't no dummy, get my rine.
Men started to flowing free style and now they running
loud silence and with the violence bodies palm with the
gray bearded pirate on your TV in four K three

(01:24:40):
d emert you more reality casual to your urban warfare.
I know, but I'm not scared, just prepared and aware,
shining my light through.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
The tunnel of hope into the rope. And I'm gonna
give it one more pull till the family is full.
Take the bull by the horse and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Leave it to the slaughter.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
That would be harder and you would be softer. Sometimes
I'm gonna monster. And you have an imposta which is
champagne and lobster. This royalty the way it was supposed
to be, Hopefully the new door opens and the whole
one closes with way more focus and grow too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Motus and the truth that they should have told us
glued to them screens. It's a plot to drop the IQ.
Fighting amongst each other, Oh, the rulers that don't like you.

(01:25:34):
We're ferstrapped to melancholy with the wood, ones of holly, suggestions,
out of flicker, weights to camel, plots of folly, a
tempt the mental robbery, execute it sopperly. The poppa see this,
vakay and walk the taco mean put their hands up
to touch the acossa because you know, deep down to
something bigger than your wallet. Everyone got a gift, everyone

(01:25:55):
got a light.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
They want you to forget that ish.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Because they get them to break. The positive then takes
you past the side shackles from the sewers, and then
Ally's in the moving castles. Hoo dis ascles really serged
with an exposed Achilles sergeon around the corner, lurking to
proof of sention. Trump's perversion learned them to catch bishops,
and I'm plumped. The signal show when the simple does narrow,
build the fucking temples

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