Pandas Are Real - Even if Some Don't Know It

Here's why all the things that make pandas seem fake are actually normal and why pandas are, despite the hype, real
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Wallet, sweet eternal balance of all that is good, true,
and beautiful friends, Welcome back to Rogue Soul. Why tonight
we're talking about pandas and whether or not they're real.
Spoiler alert. They're real, and we'll talk about why that

(00:52):
is most likely true. There's always level science authority anything,
no matter who teachers, whatever, people who have studied something
for decades. Everyone could be wrong. They always have to
accept that. But pandas are real, and we can have
a ninety seven percent accuracy with that, which is about

(01:13):
as acurate as you can get with anything. And so
I think you may agree with me by the end
of this that pandas are real. You may be ask
yourself why does anyone need to talk about whether pandas
are real? Well, no one really needs to. I think
it's a fun exploration, and there are actually people who
are very very serious about claiming that they aren't real. So,
you know, we had the birds are fake sort of

(01:35):
fake conspiracy theory that went viral, and you know, it
was fun. It's sort of like the tide pod eating
thing where no one really took it seriously. That was
what was funny about it. But then people who know
nothing about conspiracy theory or generally do eat tide pods.
My screen keeps blacking out here, so I hope you're
actually hearing and seeing me this whole time. But yeah,

(02:00):
kids don't eat typeons. Again, after it became viral and whatever,
and then it was hilarious, maybe someone did here and there,
but it wasn't really a thing. It was a joke
to see if people would actually believe that that's what
kids do. And it was a joke that people would
actually believe that people don't think birds are real. And
then you know, it's always always the case, like someone
will believe it. So this is actually why I was

(02:23):
going to start a church, you know, for tax reasons.
And for religious for spiritual reasons for sure, And I
didn't because I was like, you know, no matter what
I make, it has the potential, like scientology, to like
become something people actually believe in and make cults around,
and I'm just not willing to put that out into
the universe. So you know, the birds aren't real thing
is like that. So is the typeon thing people who

(02:45):
actually started this, who actually think pandas aren't real. And
that's why I want to talk about it. If you
think they're not real, cool, if you think they are real, cool,
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rogues at substack dot com. So we're going to start here.
Here's a subreddit. It's under the subreddit funny, but it's
also a lot of people who are really wondering, and

(05:17):
it says first posts. I'm fairly certain pandas are just
extremely elaborate hoax, Just an extremely elaborate hoax. There's a
picture here of a panda on a sort of playground
horse that rocks back and forth, in a panda next
to him sitting in a rocking chair and eating a carrot.
So it is pretty interesting behavior that we see from
pandas a lot of people have pointed this out. They're

(05:39):
very comical, they seem stupid, they seem clumsy, they do
things we don't see other bears do. And so this
reddit post goes on to how many people comment on it.
One person says, I've been saying this for years. I
don't buy it. They look like people in panda costumes.
And this is a lot of people, but even really
prominent people in the sort of alternatives are in fact

(06:00):
not real and are people in costumes people in Panta suits.
I'm sure that's happened, So there's people in Panta suits,
but I'm also relatively sure as I said, that pandas
are real, and we'll get to why. People said I
always imagine them as people who dressed up as pandas
and we're mistaken for a real panda, and just kept going.

(06:22):
So it says a few years ago, I saw a
similar picture to the one I just described to you
on this thread that contributed to my username. Their username
is a panda on a seesaw. Since then, I've been
amazed at how many pictures there actually are of pandas
on seesaws. It's true and part of the reason why,
by the way, is because there's only one or two,
like not many places in China where pandas are being

(06:43):
bred and barely but we'll get to that. And they
have things like they have seesaws, and they have rocking chairs,
and they have you know, up with they've seen their
panda parents playing on these toys and so they're gonna
do it too, So you're gonna see a lot of
in it. So that's not that weird. But you know,

(07:03):
I would understand if you didn't know that they are
in danger. They're nearly extinct supposedly. It says, yeah, what
if there's a whole conspiracy going on here? Someone else's
comments maybe the Chinese have been fooling us for years,
and that is actually the alleged conspiracy here is that
the Chinese made this up. They're not real. They did

(07:23):
it as like a pr campaign and it's just people
in panda suits and that's what's going on again. Some
people just jokingly talk about this. Many people are very
serious about it. Somebody says, when I was in Chengdu
at the panda sanctuary, they do surprisingly human things. They
climb on jungle gyms and play on rocking forces. They

(07:43):
also like to eat and sleep, which is right up
my alley. Panda's not being real. So here this adds
to the confusion and the conspiracy fodder. And this is
a zoo had dogs dressed up or spray painted painted

(08:03):
basically to look like pandas, and they're very cute panda
looking dogs, but they're definitely not pandas. It so it's
panda dogs. Chinese zoo goes viral for alluring visitors with
painted pup adorable little dog pandas. They are definitely dogs
painted as pandas, and so again this zoo went viral.

(08:26):
They had these painted pups. They were trying to attract
people and say they had pandas and they didn't. But
this makes it really confusing for people who are trying
to determine if pandas are actually fake or not, because
if you have these examples not only of humans having
been in somewhat realistic looking panda suits, but also dogs
being painted as pandas, then you seem to have a

(08:46):
lot of evidence of pandas being faked, right, And this
is in addition to their bizarre seeming behavior where they're
just on toys and they're doing you know, monkey bars
and they're on seesaws and all this stuff that you're like, well,
bears don't really do that, that's not what bears act like.
So it does. It makes it hard. It makes the
conspiracy seem more real, realistic. And so you know, when

(09:09):
I was first thinking about this, because I like to
be open minded about everything, say okay, yeah, maybe pandas
are fake, let's see the evidence. It's like, yeah, this
is pretty damning, right, this is strike too. Now they
do act really strange and seemingly unlike other bears. They
have a lot of people in panda suits, they have
a lot of dogs dressed up as pandas. Like's not
looking good for panzas being real, but things go on.

(09:32):
It's also true, by the way that breeding pandas is
incredibly hard, really really difficult. And you know, we have
more and more cloning technology, and who knows if they're
going to start cloning pandas, But that doesn't seem to
be the best idea. It doesn't seem to create the
most robust beings. When we've had cloned beings in the past,

(09:52):
they often have weird genetic anomalies, or they seem weaker,
or they seem feeble minded, or sometimes they seem evil.
There's a lot of weird stuff with cloning. Whether it's
functionally appropriate or not is not clear. But they pandas are.
They're notoriously hard to breed. You can't force them to seemingly,

(10:13):
they won't carry things to capt or to to birth.
It's a they say a little bit over three hundred
pandas are in captivity right now. They also say a
thy six hundred or in the wild. I don't know
if that's true. China, you really can't trust and this
makes it a lot harder as well. China will absolutely

(10:36):
lie about things to make themselves look better to get
pr so again, this is like kind of a strike
against them. But you know it's not untruth. A lot
of animals are harder to breed in captivity. It's not
like it's weird how hard pandas are to breed in capture.
A lot of animals just don't just like you might

(10:56):
not if you were in captivity, if you're not feeling
sort of flush and like abundance is probably likely, like
you might not be likely to breathe. We can watch
this through all species, actually humans included. This is why
we have the boomer generation because it was a baby boom,
because people felt flush and they felt abundant, and they
felt successful and won the war, and the economy is booming,

(11:19):
and so they had all these babies. No one convinced
them to, no one said, hey, guys, it's time to
have babies. But this is just what species do. And
then when you're feeling the opposite, and you're feeling sick
or in captivity or depressed or repressed, you aren't as
likely to successfully appropriate or even want to or choose to.
So it's not that weird that pandas have a really

(11:41):
hard time being bred. So again, I could see how
this would feed the sort of conspiracy, and I could
also say that's not actually that weird. Some people, in fact,
part of the conspiracy, or what makes them believe it,
is that bamboos is their primary diet, that panda's primarily
eat bamboo. They say that's weird. There's no other animal

(12:02):
that only eats one thing. Well, that's not just not
true either. There's plenty of species that eat primarily one thing.
I think manites are another example. I think there's a
ton of examples. We could probably pick it from every
sort of kingdom and Phila or whatever, right of all
species that there's probably a lot that mostly eat one thing.
Whales mostly eat plankton. I think they only eat plankton,

(12:26):
so that's not weird either. There are a lot of
examples of omnivores and things that eat all sorts of stuff,
and there's plenty of examples of things that just eat
one thing. So and it's not actually true that pamas
only eat bamboo. It is ninety nine percent of their diet,
so you know, it's fair to say they only eat that,
but they technically eat other things. They even eat small

(12:48):
rodents and animals. And this is another thing that you
get into this with vegetarians or vegans, and they hate it.
But they'll be like, oh, gorillas don't eat meat. Well,
they do. In fact, they eat other geese and chimpanzees
and things the sometimes they do that even, and they
definitely eat small rodents and it's not a huge part
of their diet, but like, they do it, and they

(13:10):
hate that, and they'll probably hate that pandas do too,
because they want to believe that they're all so vegan
and they're not.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
It.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Actually, it's interesting because they are they do have a
carnivore digestive system. Their digestive system works like a carnivore.
They have the teeth for it if they wanted to.
But they've you know, adapted seemingly to this abundant bamboo.
Bamboo group clothes quick there's tons of it. It replaces
itself easily, like it's a good food source if you
can make it a food source. This is why we

(13:38):
see all these bamboo everything, bamboo shoes, bamboo clothes, bamboo cutlery,
like it's just bamboo because it's so easy to grow.
It grows so fast, so easily. You have bamboo everywhere,
and pandas are cashing in on that as you would
if you could eat bamboo too, right, we actually can,
but in a very specific way. They could just eat

(14:00):
it straight off the land without any preparation, so it
works for them. But again, I could see I could
see why you'd point to this and be like, really, like,
that doesn't sound very realistic. But when you really get
into the world in the universe, nothing sounds realistic. You
look at an octopus and you start wondering if anything

(14:20):
is real, Like those things don't even make sense. You're like,
how are you a real creature? You can do all
this instantaneous color, texture and shape changing just in a
nano moment. You're just a different thing now, Like, by
all intents and purposes, they're crazy. Everything's crazy. The more
you look at anything, you're like, what that doesn't make

(14:43):
any sense? And that's the whole universe. So it's not
that weird that mand is just a bamboo. Actually, and
here's this movie I watch. I actually watched this accidentally
right after I first learned that there were people who
genuinely believe that pandas aren't real. And I had sort
of looked into some of the arguments and i'd sort

(15:04):
of been, like I said, open minded and like, yeah,
maybe I don't know our pandas real. And I was still,
you know, to be honest, leaning towards the other probably real.
But a lot of the arguments are pretty convincing, as
we've seen, or could at least make you ask really
good questions, which is totally cool. And so I was
asking those questions to do. And then I was on
a flight and you know, you've got all these movies

(15:25):
and they're all stupid, and then one of them was
a documentary about panda. So I was like, oh cool.
Just even if I hadn't just heard about this conspiracy theory,
I still want to watch this because I like documentaries
and I like animals. So watching this documentary and it's
really interesting. It's really interesting. Actually, they go into all
of these places in China that are breeding pandas, are

(15:47):
doing their best to breed pandas and to raise them,
and you start to realize why pandas act the way
they act. And that's not what the documentary is about.
The documentary is actually about oh one more thing, we'll
get to that too. Documentary is actually about this guy

(16:07):
going to China to try to help them successfully reintroduce
the pandas they're breeding back into the wild because, as
we said, maybe they say, there's however many thousands of
wild one thousand, six hundred or something wild pandas, they
really don't have any evidence that there's any. So they're
trying to get these possibly last pandas on Earth able

(16:30):
to live and exist in the wild. They've got these
thousands of square kilometers or whatever of natural habitat, they've
got it fenced off. They want it to be a
nature preserve. And they want pandas to live there independently
on their own, breeding, on their own all that. So
it's a noble pursuit. So it's beautiful. And so this
guy's from the US and he does this with baby

(16:53):
bears here, so they're like, oh, well, you already do this,
you come to China. So this is ben kill him.
He's a big part of the docum memory. And when
there's orphaned black bears or other types of bears in
the northern hemisphere, in the western northwestern hemisphere, he gets
to rehabilitate them and raise them in a way where

(17:14):
they can then easily go back into the wild. So
he kind of acts like a wild bear with them.
He kind of gives them like wild amounts of independence,
even from when they're really tiny. He takes them out
into the woods every day and he just sits there
while they wander off and climb trees and get into trouble,
just like they would if they were wild bears. He
lets them do anything they want, because that's essentially what

(17:36):
wild bears do. And then he brings them back and
he tries to give them food and feed them in
a way that they would maybe be getting from their mother,
right if they were in the wild. And he does
this such a good job that he continuously gets brought
these orphaned bears to do this because he's so good
at it and he has such a high success rate.
And it's not actually that common to have a good

(17:57):
success rate like getting animals like this back in because
they have such a long childhood that by the time
they're used to you and used to humans and used
to human environments, that they're not going to do well
in the wild, right. So he has this approach that's
unique and that he mostly has them in the wilderness
most of the time and mimicking well behavior and a
very very little human interaction, very very little human habitat,

(18:20):
and that's what's successful about it. So he's a cool guy.
You could do a whole thing just on him and
the cool work that he does and how good it
is and really really neat. So that's been kill him.
So he is in this documentary where he goes to
China and they're you know, trying to get their pandas
in a lot and he's trying to help them. That
most of the documentary I think if you, I don't

(18:42):
know if they were trying to present this or not.
But if you have a critical eye at least you'll
see this that they're never going to succeed. And it's
not the panda's fault, it's the human's fault. They don't
even understand even a tiny bit about what this man's
trying to teach them. They don't actually even understand that

(19:03):
what they're supposed to do is exactly what he says.
They only know how to do what they've been doing
the whole time they've had these pandas in these types
of settings. And that is essentially what you're seeing on
the screen right now, which is a bunch of baby
bandas on their backs holding baby bottles while masked and
robed doctor like nurse like humans sit there and baby them.

(19:26):
That is the farthest from wild behaviors you could get.
These animals are just sitting here with baby bottles, being
babied by humans in a human environment, as we've talked
about with seesaws, with playground equipment, with all of this
stuff that you would never have in the wild. And
it's not like it's horribly unintelligent. It makes sense. You

(19:47):
want to give them the food you have these bottles.
It works for babies get it to the bay or
they can hold it like they get food, okay, But
they would never be doing this in the wild. It
makes sense that you're like, well, if you give them
all this jungle gyms and stuff, they'll climb around like
they do in the wild. But they wouldn't climb on
jungle gyms in the weld. They'd climb on trees. They'd
climb on down trees and fallen trees and stream beds
and all sorts of stuff, but not on a seesaw.

(20:10):
So that the intention is there and they just don't
get it. And he's there and he's like, look, if
you want babies that then can be in the wild.
You have to have them in the wild most of
the time. And they're like, oh okay, and they like
pretend like they agree with him or like his idea
or whatever. And then you watch them take all this

(20:32):
time and effort to take one bear they've selected out
of all their bears and bring it to a wild
type of area that's still very enclosed and very human.
And it took all this effort and time and money,
and all these people and all these cameras and all
this bureaucracy to get this one bear into the slightly
wild setting where they could also be sure they could

(20:53):
get it right back and put it right back in
the pandazoo. You know, right after they're done and you
see that this could never work. You can't. If it
takes you this much effort to get just one of
your many bears slightly into a wild for one diamond's life,
you're never going to succeed at this. But they're committed,
right they want this good pr they want also to

(21:14):
feel like they're doing good things with Han. Again, I
don't think they're bad people. I don't think they're trying
to fail. It's a different culture. It's not crossing the
cultural barrier. Well, it's just not in Perhaps it's the
structure of Chinese communist society. We can do a whole
episode on that, but it's just not getting through. And

(21:35):
so they work and work and work, and they keep
taking this one bear into little wilderness experiences over and
over again, and it's you can tell it's a big
deal every time, and it's not even that much wilderness exposure,
and you're like, I don't know how this is ever
going to succeed. They finally get to the point where
they're like, okay, we've got this bear fitted with the
GPS caller, and we've got this new, you know, giant
wilderness that's fenced off. That's just that you can go

(21:57):
rome and never come back. We might never see this
bear again. And it's cool. They're ready. We've seen them,
you know, eat bamboo in the wild and all this stuff.
So they like put this female panda who is now
an adult, through the fence into the wilderness and they
leave her there and they're watching her and I can't

(22:18):
remember I'm gonna say spoiler alert. By the way, if
you don't want to know how the movie ends, skip
ahead a few minutes. I want to see just a
few weeks, not that long. The GPS signal stops moving,
so they say like, oh, no, something's wrong, and they
wait a little while to see maybe it's just a
longer sleep or something. No, now it's been days and

(22:41):
this hasn't moved at all, so they're like, well, she's
probably dead, and they go out and they find her.
It takes this huge effort because she's out in just
the extreme wilderness, mountainous hard terrain, there's no roads, or anything.
It really is a wilderness preserved. And they finally get
to her all of this effort, and she's alive, barely,
and she's very clearly then attacked by something, nearly killed

(23:06):
by this thing, and has hidden in this tree to die,
terrified to come down from it. And you see her
see the people, and this like relief spreads over her,
like she's like, oh my god, I'm saved. That you
can tell that. She's just like, I can go home now.
She didn't want to be in the wild. Perhaps she
thought she did it seems nice, but then she met what,

(23:27):
I don't know, a tiger, right, there's tigers in this area,
something like that. At least she's cut up. She had
not a chance. You can't put a single female panda
into a vast wilderness. They're pack animals, and she's only
had a tiny bit of experience in very tame wilderness

(23:49):
right next to humans. She has no idea how to survive,
and she doesn't have the pack to do it. She
doesn't have a group to fall back on, she has
no sort of protection or safety. So of course she failed,
and what a traumatizing experience for her, And she gets
brought back to the zoo, and they basically call this
experiment of failure. And they're one step closer, if not
the final nail in the coffin of not reintroducing pandas

(24:11):
to the web. Okay, and you compare this now to
the man we're just talking about who's done this with
hundreds of bears. They're not different from the panda bears,
and it's successful, but it's a totally different way. And
they go back, you know, and they have like a
group and in their loan a lot of the time too.
Bears are often very solitary, but they have you know,

(24:33):
groups for a while as well, and you know, it
just works. It doesn't work with the pandas for various reasons,
as I've outlined again. Also, if you've ever hung out
with animals long enough, you understand how they change when
they're around people. You're a different being. You have a
lot more to offer them, and they know how to
act in a way that pleases you or just pleases you,

(24:56):
or gets some snacks or gets the belly rubes or
many other things. Right, So panda's acting like weirdos in
a zoom makes sense if all of their many generations
have grown up in this very strange setting, and they
have no predator at all, They have no danger they've
ever faced. They act like fools, as you would do

(25:17):
if you were born in a weird you know, Truman
show like clown show space without any danger. So that
makes sense to me. But people have said, again back
to the things that make sense as a conspiracy and
to criticize, why are there no pandas in historical Chinese art?
And it's a great question. This is again, this is

(25:39):
why I love conspiracies. There are some great questions. A
lot of conspiracies are real. There's really good critical thinking
skills that are applied. And this is one of those examples.
Why aren't there pandas in Chinese art and historical documentation?
And this is a good This is a history dot
stack exchange dot com. It's sort of like the Reddit

(26:02):
of more serious people perhaps, but you know, somebody says,
something seemingly anomalous within China's historical record is the lack
of giant pandas within almost any art until the twentieth century.
You're right, So the nineteen hundreds, is that all of
a sudden we see pandas, and before that we don't.
This person says, I found a paper in Polish but
with an English abstract which attempted to find an explanation

(26:23):
for this. There's mention of white bear. It says this
was a local Chinese name for the giant panda, but
that wasn't registered until eighteen sixty nine by a visiting
what probably Catholic or something, says father armand David, who
discovered giant pandas for the Europeans. On they talk of

(26:47):
two common bear species in China, the Asian black bear
and the brown bear, with some subspecies called white. The
authors take note of the fact that the known contemporary
image of giant pandas of black and white animals due
to the discovery of the black and white sichuana subspecies
of the white bear. So this Polish paper is tracking
the sort of discovery of naming of and then seeing

(27:08):
why it was called this and why the black and
white panda is actually not really mentioned ever, but these
other three species of bear are. So he goes on
to talk about it, and they're still like yeah, but like,
why wouldn't there be even one painting or like one
story or like one poem that specifically describes the white

(27:30):
and black of the panda bear. But this also describes,
which is true, that you can't actually find most Chinese
species in paintings and books and texts pre this period
of time. You actually can't find most species in most
of the world in books and paintings and things. Until

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these times, there just wasn't good documentation of it. I
was just reading about this in a totally separate book
for a totally separate reason. But it's just true natural
history and the absolute like let's get every species documented
in all of its categorize everything. That's a very modern thing.
Even Steinbeck went out and was like documenting just the

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ocean life right on the coast of California in the
twentieth century, and that was like unprecedented, like we just
did not have and he didn't even get them all,
and he was trying to get as many as he
couldn't draw them and describe them write there. It's one
of these beautiful natural history books. It's not weird that
there's no pandas not even a little bit weird. Actually

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it's again, it's such a good question, and it leads
you to such cool understandings about history and about how
recent a lot of our really intricate knowledge is and
that's cool, but it's actually not weird at all. So
I also thought it was so weird until I sort
of started thinking about it and why could that being
And yeah, it actually makes perfect sense. In fact, another post,

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I think I left it up here for us to
talk about. I don't know it will get there if
we get there, but it's talking about how pandas aren't
like a totem animal. They're not like a big, you know,
spiritual symbol in China. And if you do look at
the art and the descriptions, you can find of things.
Not only do you find some real animals that are

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quite iconic, like tigers, right, but you also find fake
animals like the phoenix and the dragon, you know, and
maybe they're real, but like we right now at least
see them as fake and myth logical. And you do
see those, but you don't see hundreds of thousands of
actual real species. So if it isn't so important that

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on the rare time you have someone who does art
or can write or can read with paper with the
accouterments to create rit pens or ink or whatever, if
you rarely have that, like you're we're going to only
put down the things that are so important to you,
like the symbology of a lion or a tiger. You're
gonna only draw or write about the things that are

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like the most impactful or culturally relevant. And the panda
just wasn't It was a rare species, subspecies of a
subspecies that was found in this just drastically hard to
enter wilderness that almost no one probably ever went in,
very steep mountainous regions, and lots of species were there

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that no one had seen. So it just it makes
perfect sense why there's no pandas until eighteen sixty something,
perfect sense. It's actually might you might ask, wow, how
cool is it that we even got mentioned of a
panda by then, because there's so many species that we
still didn't get to like the mid nineteen hundred and
twentieth century. So, you know, so I just had AI

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summarize here how animals act differently around humans as well.
You know, we saw the bottle feeding, We saw that
they're basically raising these pandas in a little amusement park, right,
But it's also like all domesticated animals which you could
call pandas at this point, they cannot live in the wild,
and they're only living because humans want them to so desperately,
and only in this small place, in this very strange environment.

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They're basically domesticated, and it says domesticated animals like dogs
and cats have evolved to be more tolerant of and
receptive to humans. Their behavior is often shape by a
history of positive interactions and learned social cues. That is
the other thing. You might not believe it and whatever,
figure it out for yourself. But my chickens very obviously

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do things that they know that I like. So they'll
like flap their wings and like look at me right,
like almost like oh, did you see me? I did
it right? Or they'll come over to me and they'll
like you know, stretch and like put their thing out.
They're like peck at my shoes and like this is
not stuff they would do just at our random creature

(31:56):
in the wild. But they know that I'm going to
give them tree, and they want to please me, right,
they know that I'm going to give them food, and
so they want to make sure them I'm happy. Or
you could get even more sort of woo about it
and say they love me because I've known them for
so many years and take care of them and love
them back, and so they're just doing things that are fun,
just like you would do with your friends. Sure, either way,

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they're doing things that they wouldn't necessarily do, just randomly
and in the wild, because this is what they've learned
gets them something pandas also they'll like take a tumble
and then they'll like look at the zookeeper because they
see us laughing, and they like understand that we think
it's funny and cute and that we're more likely to
be nice to them, just like this is like the
language of most living things actually is to see the

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effect you have on the other things around you. See
if it's safe, See if it's going to get you
good stuff, Like right, does babies do it like it's
a thing? They also you can train them, obviously, you
can make them do things. This is true of bears
in general, it's true of a lot of animals in general.
And they're environment is definitely going to affect them. So

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if you have them with sea sauce, they're going to
learn how to use sea sauce and they're going to
look super weird doing it because it's not natural, but
it's there, so they do it. So pantas seem real
for a lot of reasons. They seem very strange because
they've been for many generations bred by humans and strange environments.

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They do mostly eat bamboo. Its not weird that they
haven't been found in art and history of that region.
And it's not weird that they're not doing well in
the wild because they're raised here without predators. They're spoon
fed their whole life. You'd become a weird, defenseless thing
if that were true of you too. It's actually quite

(33:47):
sad and so so they're real. And by the way,
birds are real too, if you didn't know they are.
They're not just government spy drones that recharge on telephone
wires and electricity wires. There are actually real birds. And
I know you know that. It's just so funny. It's
so funny because it's so clever too. You're like, ooh,

(34:09):
recharging on the wires, that's really that's really smart. That's
pretty fun. But obviously birds are real. But what is
actually weird is that you don't see baby pigeons ever.
I actually never realized this until like I think, like
a month and a half ago where I saw a
song just like this one about baby pigeons, and it

(34:30):
was like, if you see a baby pigeon, let us know,
because no one's ever seen one. And I was like,
oh my god, I've never seen a baby pigeon, like
not even in a picture. Have you seen a baby pigeon? No?
I haven't. So there's like whole songs that are like
really funny about like do baby pigeons even exist? Do
pigeons just come into the world fully formed or what?
Like what's happening with pigeons? And I'm like, well, you know,

(34:53):
I've seen baby robins, bluebirds, like all these birds they
fall out of the nest or they what I've seen
these babies. I've never the babies. People have like video
cameras where they put in their bird house and the
birds come in and have their whole family there is
you get to see them grow up just seeing all
these but I've never seen a pigeon baby. So I
was like, that's actually really weird. Why haven't I seen

(35:13):
pigeon babies? And apparently there's an answer for that too.
It's not a conspiracy. This is also on Reddit. It says,
we don't see a lot of baby pigeons because they
nest in very secluded caves and hard to get places
and have a long nesting period. When they leave the nest,
they're very hard to distinguish from adult pigeons and they're

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but ugly. So here's a picture of a bait baby pigeon.
It really is very weird looking and almost fake looking.
I've heard too that pigeons make nests that are just
the worst, Like they just have like four pieces of
grass sort of crisscrossing each other, and then they'll lay
an egg on it. So clearly someone's seen them lay

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and have babies, as is indicated by this picture. But
I've heard too again the reason why they don't put
very much effort into their nest is because they're nesting
in places that are so secure they don't need to
worry about it. They're just like, Yep, this will be fine.
All I need is a couple of bees of grass.
I'm good, baby's gonna live. So it's super funny. Baby
pigeons do exist, they're just very rare to see, very

(36:18):
very rare to see. If you see a baby pigeon,
note it it's a life event. And while we're on
the topic of dispelling myths, before we say good night,
I will share with you that if you've seen a
nightcam footage of anything, it's fake. It's AI generated. This
is like one of the filters AI can use that

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makes it harder to distinguish that it is AI, and
so a lot of people are being fooled by this.
Like bunches of baby bunnies jumping on a trampoline, or
a coyote hanging out with a cat. These are often
like doorbell cam night vision sort of footage is what
it's supposed to be. I saw them where a bear
walks up to the porch and a cat tries to

(37:03):
fight it, but then the cat just jumps on its
back and they rides the bear away. Like there's just
a lot of them, and you know, weird things happen.
Coyote could come to the door with a cat, bunnies
could end up on a trampoline. We've seen very weird,
real things that happen. You know a lot. Now that
the Internet exists and there's billions of people using it

(37:25):
all the time, you're going to see stuff that is
almost unbelievable that is real because there's just so much
more chance that you get to see the thing that
someone else saw that there was very little chance of
even happening. Right. This is the nature of having millions
of cameras in the hands of millions of people, millions
of times, all throughout every day, everywhere in the world.

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You're gonna see some weird things that are actually real.
So it's normal to imagine this could be real, just
so you know, and you can test your discernment these
aren't real. And so this is actually an article about
the AI generated animals and fake surveillance videos that are
fooling the Internet. And no, nothing is sacred. It asks

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anything sacred. No, you'll make fake videos anything now. And
what's hard is that when you then see real stuff,
you might not be able to believe it. When I
first saw a picture going back to the octopus, or
a video i should say, of an octopus changing colors, textures,
and shapes in no time at all, literally less than
a second, I blew my mind. I was like, is

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this real life like my eye right now? No? Not,
it's a real thing. And now if you saw that,
you might not be able to trust it. So it
is sad. It's sad it's actually necessary for us to
use heart a tournament that's much about very normal things.
But what I love about this is it keeps you
asking questions instead of landing on permanent answers. Because, as

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I've talked about with you so many times before, we
are never served by imagining that we have the fun
answer of anything. It doesn't help us actually to say like, yep,
that's it and we're done and listen, never think about
it again. No matter what it is that you are
best served if you constantly have a question mark in

(39:12):
your mind about everything. It doesn't mean that you pretend
you don't know anything. You at least go forward with
the best guess you have so far, and that's totally appropriate.
But if you have no ability to also question literally
anything anywhere, at any time, that's not best serving you.
So you don't have to know. If you watch a
video and you're like, I'm not sure if that's AI

(39:34):
or not that's okay, that's actually one of the best
places where you can be is to say, I'm not
sure that's okay. I don't know if these people are
genuinely cleaning this whale or not. Oh I actually do
know this is fake, but you know, you might see
this and not know, and that's okay. And what you

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shouldn't do is say, oh, this is real for sure,
or this is fake for sure. And we talk about
this with news, about this, with you know, possible false flags.
Is that actually this is the best place to be.
If something event happens and it's like blowing up the airways,
you're seeing it everywhere. The best thing you can do
is say this might be real and it might not be,
not even because of AI, because somebody could have pulled

(40:17):
this off, and it could be a false flag. It
could be not an actual event, it could be acted,
or it could be misattributed or misunderstood. So if you
start from that place, it's actually the best way to
go forward. If you start from the place if you
look at any video and say this might be real
and it might not be real, that's the best place

(40:38):
you can start from. There's nothing wrong with that. It's
not scary. It's actually where we should have been all along.
AI is doing us a favor by reminding us that
that's the best mindset to have. And this is actually
something I help people do. It's one of the many
services I offer is increasing your discernment and your ability
to understand what is real and what is not, which

(40:58):
questions to ask and how to do that. And so
I actually have tips and tricks that can help you.
If that's something you're genuinely worried about, we can work
on that together. So I have all kinds of things
that I offer here on my Calendarly you can get
to this through roguesoul dot org. But one Day of
Brightness is coming up in September. Some people have already
booked that. If you know, you know, if you don't know,

(41:20):
it's a very beautiful, high energy series of blessings and
messages from source myself and Catherine O'she bring you these
events every solstice in equinox, and so the next one
we're doing as close to the equinox as we could
get it with our schedules. So September twenty seventh, that's
coming up. Lightning Oracle Round as a group comes together.

(41:41):
These are all via zoom all distance doesn't matter where
you're at, and I channel through some messages from your
spiritual guides and allies. It can be an answer to
a question, or it can be just a general message
you want to receive from your allies super beautiful. Often
the group is really amazing and it's blessing and healing
experience in itself every other Tuesday, and so you can
sign up for one of those. If you want to

(42:03):
connect with your spiritual guides and allies in a much
easier and more accessible way, I do tarle readings. I
do spiritual guidance sessions where I directly channel your spiritual
guides and allies bring through healing and blessings. That's a
really powerful life changing experience. I also do sound healing,
and I also send blessings from Afar. But if you
wanted to talk about discernment and increasing your ability to

(42:27):
be discerning and to actually use your consciousness and your
connection to truth in general, source in general to discern
what's real and what's not, that's one of the skills
that I teach people, and so coaching and talk session
could be perfect for you. I also just work with
people on everything spiritual, emotional, mental, physical, you know, life goals,

(42:49):
all sorts of stuff. So that's also here on Calendly,
which you can get to calendly dot com, slash rogue ways,
or you can get there through my site, rogues sold
or by clicking on schedule a session or book a
session or anything that sounds like that. So if you're
not sure if birds are real, it's okay. You're not

(43:10):
sure if octopus are real, it's okay. If you're not
sure what's AI and what's not AI, it's okay. If
you're not sure about pandas being real or not, it's okay.
None of it actually really matters, and you can actually
get to the point where you do know and you
trust yourself to know, and you retain the eternal question
mark of being able to question what you thought you knew.

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So all of that is possible, and until you know it,
travel well in for balance and always look inside first.
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