June 22, 2021 • 46 mins
With the long awaited release of Fast & Furious 9, America's Podcaster, Kurt Caceres, brings on one of the franchise biggest fans, to debate it's place in cinema history, and if it even deserves a mention. With names like Vin Diesel, Michelle Rodriguez, Tyrese Gibson, Ludacris, John Cena, Jordana Brewster, Nathalie Emmanuel, Kurt Russell and Charlize Theron, it has no shortage of blockbuster Hollywood names. But are celebrities enough to give a film respect? Why 9 films? Will it ever end? What about the script? Character development? Substance? Story? Quality acting? No one is disputing the global draw of the fan base and it's multi-billion dollar revenue stream, but is that great film making? Is this a film that will be taught decades from now in film school or will it be used as an example of what "not to do"? There is great debate between success in any profession and the quality of it's output. Is the future of film trending towards big budget blockbusters, or can our youth still handle story driven, complex character arc and brilliant acting, for the next generation.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please take yourseats. The show is about to begin.
Let's go for a little ride.I lived my life for a quarter
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mile of a time. Nothing elsematters. Brian Earl strumming sounds like a
serial killing man? Is that whatyou are? Oh man? Drive like
you dumbs before? What are youa will man? No? So why
don't you hit how you were fullof? You went in a grenaline rush.
(00:43):
It open too much. That's notwhat I had in mind. And
that's it. So this country bookon this episode, it's about so this
is the first time it's we gota lot of We're being in a lot
of like people want us to doBob movies, So we decided to the
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biggest franchise in the history of theworld, the Fast and Furious franchise.
We're not gonna break down the movie. I don't think we're gonna talk about
it much, but we're gonna talkabout it is it's impact on society.
What do we have to look foras far as movies are concern Because do
you really want this kind of moviecoming over and over and over and over
and over and over and hold on, hold in five more times, over
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and over and is that nine rockymovies? Is that? Oh shit?
Hold on three more over and overand rambo? I mean, I mean
how many? But those there's somequality. You just said Star Wars that's
actually quality? How is how isfast? And the Fury is not?
Damn too. I was not expectingto walk into our fucking hate that time.
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Still, let's talk about it.Still, let's talk about good movie.
But that's why I'm the antithesis ofyou, guys. So I want
to hear you guys take go,let's play. So I'm gonna name some
names, make name some names.I'm then do you know who this is?
Yeah, Charlie's throne. Yeah.Well, first of all, she
got an Academy Award for Monster,So no, no, no, no,
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what which which fact? If I'msuch a fan she played Sier Move
onward. This guy's fan, Ohmy god? Okay, who how about
car Russell? Mister nobody dude?This guy? Okay, because look,
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dude, you're not a real fanthen, so you can't talk. I
don't never you're getting mad at mefor like, I'm not hating on them
having fucking thirteen movies, but thenyou can't love on it. Either if
you don't not, Okay, I'llgots you one. Who's who is?
Who is ludicrous? He's like,he's one of the main ones. But
I don't know it now he was. He was in the spin off Tyres
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Gibson. Tyres is a little bit, but he's he's in the main ones.
Yes, how about this one?Tell me who that is? Natalie
Emmanuel. I think she's the newerchick. Okay, what's the most I
know, what's the most famous TVseries ever out on TV? That she's
from? Natalie Emmanuel the only thing, the most famous TV series, American
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family, the best TV serious.It's actually not really American, it's Medieval,
the most famous. Oh yes,Greg's got it. So Natalie watch
Emmanuel is from the Frost and Furiousseries. She's from Game of Thrones.
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She played Calisi's right hand woman,the skinny girl that got killed up on
the wall. Yeah. Yeah,she's from Fast and Furious. Right,
I didn't know that. You're nota fan, bro, you know what?
I well, I don't know.I've never watched an episode of Game
of Thrones. I swear to go. So you've never watched Game of Thrones,
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but you want to promote Fast andFurious. Do you need to get
out of this? We're gone.It's a good movie, and anybody says
it's not can't go themselves. Goodmovie, it's good night. One has
nothing to do with the other.It's entertainment. Who's Jordan and Brewster?
Oh Man suck exactly? Okay,let's ask this dick So Greg Sarrano,
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who has been Diesel? Play ofdiesels the main hand the pros. But
you're a big fan. So itwas this character who said I was a
fan. No, I'm a fanof fucking somebody making being successful? Yeah,
yeah, oh being successful? Butyes, but so Fast and Furious
is super successful. What's gonna getin the money in a second. But
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on the other hand, do youthink it's great filmmaking? Yeah? I
don't. I don't watch the movies. Man, Okay, okay, So
you know I personally think it isWho's son King? Oh that's hard.
I work with him on power.So there you go. I like that
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good. Can you do a quickfavorite? Jason Galindo, who does Michelle
Rodriguez play? Oh Man? Iride er died dude letty? And to
top it off, well, wegot Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham, Hobbs
and shaw Man. There you goand look these movies rivaled and still rival
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the Marvel Universe, which are thebiggest franchise making movies in the history of
fucking filmmaking. Fucking fast, there'sfuck they're making the ninth one. In
twenty fifteen, Vin Diesel was thethird highest paid actor in the world.
He made forty seven million dollars.In twenty seventeen, he was the third
highest paid. He made fifty fourpoint three million dollars. This is fucking
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crazy, so fast and furious franchisehas made five point eight billion dollars.
That's that's the size of a smallcountry. Like that's bigger than most countries.
I only think there's probably a fewcountries that are actually worth out.
You know, we keep going becauseI know you have some more. Dude,
We got lots of stats. Wecan do the stats all day.
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But my question is being in thisindustry and we're talking about this for the
people, because this is the future. Again, this show is about This
is a quarantine role call. Thisshows about the future of our our world.
Are we gonna keep making quality filmmaking? Are we just gonna be selling
out and making thinks it is.Oh god, it is it still is?
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It is? Um Cinema movies ingeneral is supposed to basically take you
away from your your regular life,right, It's supposed to entertain you and
pull you out of your your normaldata take on. That's a good thing.
Well, I can guarantee right now. One of the movies that do
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that completely take you away from anytype of reality are those Fast and Furious.
So I can watch the same thing. That's fine, And if that's
your choice, then you do sothen we don't need to spend all this
money on. Yeah, and I'mone of them, and I I you
know I will. But what doesthat say about our society? If people
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are willing to watch subpar material withno story? Why is it because there's
no story? It's very it's verybaseless. They've actually connected. There's movies
that actually connect, so if youmiss one, you actually would miss a
certain So if the calibrator in Fastand Furious too didn't connect with the fucking
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rotators four, that's how they connectthem. It's about fucking cars, dude.
It's not though it's not anymore.It's about if you watch the movies.
It's it's literally not they're they're literallylike a it's a heist movie.
Every movie after after the I wouldeither I would say after the third one,
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probably after the third one, itturned into a heist movie. That
that that genre is a heist movie. It's no longer just about the cars,
pere and simple. You can youcan have anybody else come on this
show, and I gulsions. Thehotter the people doesn't matter, the more
cool they still have. They stillhave actors on there than are are good
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caliber actors. So I look atit. It's still a good movie.
But yeah, but I'm here,I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong.
Again, I want to propose thiswith nobody's wrong here with their opinion,
because it's all opinions. Well,I'm right when you talk. I'm entertaining.
It's good you're a Niners fan,which already puts you in the wrong
category. But I'll give you thisone. I can't help. And you're
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wearing Niners hat right now, beautifulhat. So but the bottom line is,
I'm not saying anybody's wrong here,Like honestly, it's all our opinions,
and I'm gonna be very out ofmeant on my side. The Fast
Furious. Um, I'm I've neverbeen a fan. I always had this
saying. Back in the nineties andearly two thousands, I used to say,
fuck those fucking big bunch of movies, those fucking um the Mummy type
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movies. Like those big movies,We'll have no brains. They're all it's
all about explosions. But this isthe same genre because Stars did not turn
into a big money making movie untiluntil it made that billion dollar market.
He was gonna ask it, They'regonna ask everything. It was more of
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a it was more that's that wasmore of an independent franchise. Honestly.
Oh no, so there's no independentmovie that's made here and Greg, we'll
go there, let's take more money. Well, here's here's the thing.
Okay, Kurt, if you hada recurring role in the Fast and Furious
franchise, would we be having thisconversation. First of all, if you
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had any role in that fucking movie, you're just gonna turn that shit down.
No, obviously, but I would. I would probably say, Hey,
I'm fucking yeah, it's fucking badasssome of these movies. But I
would actually, but I couldn't honestlysay you don't know that. I couldn't
talk shit about it because I'm partof it. Yeah, because you'd be
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fucking making bang. But it alsomight. But at the same time,
not being part of it, Ican have a different perspective and say,
dude, it's not quality you're lookingat you, but the thing is you're
looking at film at a certain way. Like bottom line, this industry as
a whole is set up to takepeople out of their everyday lives. It's
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it's supposed to get them to lookand imagine and see different things that they're
not experienced. Dude, they weredoing that bag in Shakespeare Takes. They
did that with good dialogue. Butthere was some character development, great scenes,
great storytelling things. He didn't haveexplosions, he didn't have tits and
ass he didn't have fast cars,explosions, lethal weapon movies have explosives,
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and the Mummy, but dude,the Mom of the Rock was in one
of those movies. Exactly, thankyou, thank you, exactly. So
where this is our future? Soagain, the show's about telling you you're
wrong. I love that you're rightbecause I want to be wrong because all
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I'm saying here is I'm giving facts. Do we is our future? Too
fast, too furious? Like fuckingjust like every fucking big movie. It's
like, that's a joke with amongstmy friends I hang out with, Like
when it's I don't, I don'tlook at it. It's the same thing
though it's still it still comes downto this. It comes down to the
fact that those movies entertain people.And honestly, I'm not a shame to
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say that I like those movies becauseI think they're great and I also think
I mean, kudos did fucking Vindiesel Man. Yeah, first of all,
he does that movie, but thenhe also does a voice in fucking
it fucking Avengers. He says,I'm grouped. I mean you have even
saying that. I know, becauseit's weird if you look at it,
though, that guy as as abusinessman, you've got to give it up
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to that guy because he literally,oh, we're not taking away, he
says. That guy says three wordsin that movie over and over and over
again, so let me repeat.In twenty fifteen, he made forty seven
million dollars and again twenty seven probablybecause of both years third most grossing actor
fifty four million. So yeah,not taking that away from him. We're
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not no, no, no,I'm not. No, that's not taken
away from him. That is thatagain, that's like the politics thing.
I think just because I say thatI agree or disagree with this doesn't make
me a Trumpster. Just because Idisagree or agree that the movie's not good
or not doesn't mean that Ben Dieselis, like, honestly Ben Diesel being
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good. Yeah, right right,like Ben Diesel fucking great, dude,
he fucking made that money. That'sfun, dude. Dude, that's one
hundred million dollars between two years.Yeah, that's fucking great. Good for
him, So, Michael, So, so the thing is, I'm gonna
say, June twenty second, twothousand and one, the first film,
June twenty second, two thousand andone, made two hundred and six million.
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Is that in because you said earlier, Oh, it's just an independent
film. Independent films don't make twomillion. That's how it was shot,
and that's that's how it was.No, that was always be universal.
No, it's always been a universe. Was not done in the in the
in the clear. So just totell you, the whole movie was filed
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nobody's universal, I know, butthe experiment was and then and that's what
it was. It was. Itwas built to be as more of an
independent movie than just your straight mainstreamon an independent It was supposed to catch
It was supposed to catch on withwith these racers and stuff. I'm telling
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you, man, yeah it was, but that's not an independent movie is
actually not studio basis that what I'mwhat I'm saying is what I'm saying is,
in my opinion, I think thatit was. It was meant to
be more of an independent style movie. It was just you know, but
it wasn't I understand. So further, people listening and following this, I
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wanted to ask you guys this questionas well as you What I'm what I'm
saying is I'm saying the intent.I think the intent was to make it
that way because they there's a clearlittle pocket of people that they were trying
to to attract. Am I rightor not? Because they were going for
that race sort of thing, right, and then the audience. And so
that's why I say I think theintent was to make this of more of
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a independent style movie. No,I think that's just it was it wasn't
an independent audience. The audience wasspecific correct, but it was not an
independent because it was always back.But you know, I know that,
No, I know that. Ithink, yes, it's kind of great.
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It's got great dude, they've gotgreat paying jobs on the that's a
great director that you can't fucking sitthere and talk about like the people involved
in these dude. But you're anactor and you're a performer. You can't
rate something this isn't But I would, I would do that because it is
still art, just just because youknow, you know, I'm not gonna
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say it's not art. People maylook at a certain way, but you're
you're you're putting yourself into this,this character, right, and you're making
little nuances and little changes to it, and in doing whatever it is to
make that a believable character, andsomeone that that may actually radiate with someone
like like someone might go, oh, man, if I can know what
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that guy's saying, and look,what's his name? O'Connor the Jesus Christ?
Why can't I think of his nameright now? He passed um?
The main the other main guy.Why can't I think from from fast?
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Like I wouldn't initially think that hedid Skulls. He was in Skulls with
Joshua Jackson. Great movie. Imean, I'll pull out all this shit.
I just look that move. Thatseries of movies built fucking careers for
people. And I don't give afuck who you are. You can't take
away from that. And if youwant to say, Okay, great,
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it's not cinema, fine, ifyou want to say that, cool.
But bottom line, being tent isto take people out of their everyday life.
And it's also it's there to givepeople's job. It made work for
people for fucking over ten years,over twenty years. This is work that
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I guarantee you that it's pretty muchprobably at this point the same crew that's
working on those on those movies.Now you know what I'm saying. So
I don't look at We're not disputingthat it gives people's jobs. But the
question of this episode is about what'sthe future of filmmaking beyond this, because
if we're gonna keep making movies likethis, it's completely more desensitizing us as
a society, honestly, because we'relosing the quality and our work of filmmaking.
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If you went out right now andsold drugs and fucking made lots of
money and we're enjoying it. Hey, I would actually be like fucking good
for Glinda. I wouldn't agree withit. You shouldn't same with this.
This is the equivalent of selling drugs. It's fucking bullshit, dude, too
fast, too furious, just fuckingbullshit. Stop filmmaking. Give me one
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scene that makes you fucking cry andmoved to tell me that movie? Dude,
tell me once you know and allthe too fast fees, I will
tell you right Greg fast of allthe movies, tell me one scene.
I'll tell you right now. Giveme a lot. Hey, yo yo,
about to lose yore partner. Thisis done. I got this.
You think I'm worried about this food? Ask for something? These are lines
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to the movie that's These are thetop twenty lines scene right now, top
twenty lines movie you got? Okay, say one? Give me a scene,
go ahead, I got lots ofthat's what's your best time? I've
never driven her? Why not?Scares the shit out of me? Whoa
fellas? Fellas? I know mytags are out of date. Damn,
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that's little Chris. It's not howyou stand by your car shot you,
We'll smack that ass. That's devilon iokies who plays Suki? Yeah,
first of all, I guarantee youall these lines are from one, two,
and three skanks. Why don't yourgirls just pack it up before I
need treadmarks on your face? Okay, these are the top ten lines,
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so Suki says, ben over boyand Romans who and Tyrese Gibson, who's
plays Roman, says, damn girl. Yeah, these are like come on,
you go get out. It's likethis, I lose, winner takes
my car clean and clear. Butif I win, I take the cash
and I take the respect. Yeah. These cars are wild hot, so
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hot that whoever's tracking, you know, is when you're not wearing your seat
belts. That's Timmy? Who's timya Yo Yomi exactly that. That's fast
and furious three. Look, thisis on here, Suki says, it's
on here. Move bits. That'sone of the time I'm likes. So
what I'm saying out here, whatI'm saying here, glenday'd you bring the
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buster here? Because the bus turnedme out of handcuffs. He didn't just
run back to the four. Thebuster brought me back how is this epic
filmmaking? Yeah, I'm telling youright there, those weren't the last the
first three movies. The first onewas good ting three word really. So
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now I want to ask you guys, Greg too, because I think he's
a fan of the FASTI fear is, how are these like the things that
are gonna be Are they gonna beteaching these films in film school? Why?
Well, I'll tell you what Igot from this entire beginning of this
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podcast not over yet, I knowwhat I got from from the beginning is,
you know, some movies are notyou know, they're not based off
of their dialogue. So some ofthem are just they are just fucking shoot
them up, blast them up,fucking exciting shit. Absolutely so, so
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I would I would kind of putthe Fast Furious films in that category.
They're not like, they're not meantto go down as You're so right about
that, because they're fucking epic,um big budget summer movie type films.
One of the most iconic scenes inthose in those movies, it is Fast
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Furious seven And they add this onat the end when after Paul Walker died.
Paul Walker died, right, theyadd this thing and right at the
end it's Vinde's gets in his carand he takes off. He's driving by
himself, and they're following him,and then he comes to a stop sign
and he's about ready to go,and next thing you know, another car
rolls up and who's in that fuckingcar, Fucking Paul Walker. And he
just looks over because I thought,you're gonna try and leave without saying goodbye.
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Like that was a poignant scene.That was very last. That was
the very last I'm not I'm notgonna lie dude. The fact even that
line it made sense because I mean, first of all, the guy died
in a car crash because the guywas just really obviously driving too fast and
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too furious. But it just likeit that one scene literally like at that
point they could have ended the entireseries, and they probably should have,
because that was the perfect moment toend that series. You have the two
original guys in a scene together,and and on top of that, one
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of the original guys actually just passed, So they actually added that scene in
there, and they had to superimposehis They used his brother and put put
Paul Walker's face on there, anddid all this stuff but that was the
perfect scene. I adre, you'rea big fan. I mean, this
guy knows, like but that's justme being but you're a big fan.
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That's great. But that's my pointthough. My point is I'm coming at
that as a movie fan. Icame into that movie. I knew what
it was, but I knew Iwas going to enjoy it because it's gonna
take me away from my everyday life. I mean, that's what we do
this shit for. This is whywe ask true. But great movies take
you away from that, like greatstorytelling, right, like that that don't
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have explosions and the fast cars theytake away. There's other things that can
do that too. You're right.So they made billions of dollars. So
here we're gonna go. So wewe finished twenty June twenty second, two
thousand and one. In your opinion, what is the best movie? Two
hundred and six million? Yes?Do you want me to give you my
opinion of the best Fast and Furiousmovies? No? No, No,
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it's the one that hasn't been madeyet. I'm saying in general. August
fourteenth, twenty seventeen, Feet andFurious made one point two billion. Yeah,
that's uh, that's eight yeah,August, I mean April second,
twenty twenty one, Fasterest nine.The Fast Song is supposed to come out.
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But Tokyo a Drift made one hundredand fifty seven point seven million,
sixty two point six million domestic,ninety five million international, who's directed by
Justin Lynn, who's huge. Nowhe's fucking huge. Yeah, I mean
he's huge. Then that blew themup. So what's your feelings on this?
Are you a fan of these fuckingbig bunch of movies? Do you
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like things more story? No?I don't. I don't like CGI movies
personally, Like I'd rather, uhmovies go back to the days where you
know, they use the blood packsif they shoot somebody and a movie without
a story, that shit still hasa story. Well okay, well let
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me say this, like, howmuch are they worth? Kurt? Did
you say that franchise so far?Multi billions? Right now? It's a
five point eight billion Okay, They'reworth more than Barbados as a country at
this point. Okay, So Imean, fine, they made the money,
but it's not it's a genre ofmovies that are They're not like you're
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not gonna look back on these moviesfifty years from now and be like that
was a great set of fact andthey don't care about that exactly, And
that's not our question. Why arewe the fact that you even bro this
is this is straight hate. No, it's not hate. You hate all
you want, because it's not point. Like the point of this episode is
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about he made a fucking series offilms that were that we're not possibly like
like the most um, I don'tknow, dramatic or yeah, I see
what you're saying. Like it wasn'tsupposed to like change faking people's ideas of
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film, and like it was justthrown out there just to be about it.
It was just a car movie.Literally was a car fucking exciting,
esthetically pleasing, fucking yes, andso what what what's the what's the issue?
Like so the so there's no issuethe point of this episode, it's
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talk about an issue. The pointof this episode is telling our fans and
people listening to us itself, isare we going in this direction of just
making films that are about money?Are we going to tell stories? We're
going in that direction period with thefucking TikTok texting is all about fucking straight
up. Yeah, but making money, fucking doing your ship. And that's
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the problem with our society, andthat's why I'm doing the show. But
you keep you keep putting, youkeep putting this movie into that stratosphere.
And it's like, dude, theyhad a story. Somebody wrote that fucking
movie, and there's there's a storythere. You can't you can't put You
can't put those movies with fucking peoplethat do TikTok and shit. But you
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can't because you can't actually said Gregsaid it as a bullshit dude, it's
the same dude. That's that's minutelevel stuff. TikTok and Fast and Furious
are like bottom of the barrel.No, man, you had a kid
that wrote that movie. You hada legit person that I'm not taking away.
It doesn't matter who I will cutyou, It doesn't matter how so
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he was so legit. It doesn'tmatter who wrote it. It's a guy.
It made a lot of money.It's made a lot of money.
They're never gonna hire that guy tomake an Academy Award winning film. But
why you don't know that? Havethey yet? You don't know that though
about this? You don't know thatabout this franchise has been going on for
ten years. That's bullshit. Thoughyou don't know that about that writer.
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Why haven't about you? Though?Why haven't they yet? And I still
I have a ton of faith thatyou would fucking at some point fucking get
an Oscar. Okay, So Iappreciate that, But you can't say that
about these writers and go, oh, it's just gonna be They're gonna write
the same bullshit all the time.One of those writers might just out of
nowhere. They absolutely that, theyabsolutely might. But the problem here is
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I don't want to see filmmaking onlygoing in the direction of Tit's assid and
explosions. But now me and theMad Sign just gotta rip apart the block
and replace the piston rings. You'refraud. I personally have never been a
fan of big budget like summer blockbusters, because I feel they try to cover
out in When you watched an OrnodSchwartzenegger movie, you literally at that point
(28:36):
where like, I don't I don'treally like this. I didn't judge it.
I was I think it was tooyoung to judge that. I was
like, all right, whatever,But it's the same thing. I'm not
gonna say the fucking predators were greatbecause they weren't. What about a raw
Deal? That was a great film, excellently written. Fucking raw deal.
I mean he did this whole fuckingthings a raw deal. There's a lot
(28:57):
of stuff going on here, Amando. I'm you guess who said this?
Man? When did you start eatingso much? Oh? I was in
jail, bra I know how shittythe grub is on the inside. With
the ways things are shaping up outhere right now, you would have signed
that contract in the heart. It'llbe a matter of time. I hunt
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the horses a Detroit muscle. It'sa beast. Guys, you have to
be more open minded to be realized. I am actually being open minded.
And the thing is is, II'm being opinionated about entertaining of filmmaking.
But if if it entertains people,then it's good because that's what it's for.
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So so should there be be outthere? Should strippers be out there?
I should prostitutes be on the streetcorner? Yeah? They they they
they they They entertain people as longas be out there. I had a
wrench and I heard him and Ididn't intend to keep hitting him, but
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by the time I was done,I couldn't lift my arms. What's the
future of filmmaking if our biggest blockbustersare these with no story? There's just
tits and assid hot cards. Iknow, but that's my point. Though
they have a story, what can'tyou can't? Just what rating are the
Fast and Furious movies? Sure,the last one was our I think prior
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to that, I think it wasPG or maybe PG thirteen, whatever it
is, I think the last one. I think the last one might have
gotten an R rating. Let meask you something should watch that one?
Do you like Sylvie's Choice? Haveyou heard of it? Now? I
do know that movie. I've neverwatched it, but yes, I know
with Meryl Streep, Meryl Streep andso okay, so let's I'm just gonna
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throw some things out of you.Shakespeare Love, Yeah, I know that.
So these are films that have greatstories, great characters, element they're
well written, the scripts are tight, and the thing die Hard Diehard was
awesome. You know, you knowwhat? You know, what's considered one
of the best scripts ever made tothis day is Back to the Future,
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which was kind of action. That'sconsider tom tin scripts ever made. Do
you see what I'm talking about here. It wasn't cheesy. There was still
a story too. They didn't usethe tricks, and look, they didn't
use did Back to the Future usetits and ass and hot cars? Actually?
And back to the Future is ittoo? Yeah, it's two.
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What's her name with the big titties? She she had the big fake fake
tits in it. Uh? Sheshe married? She married? Um?
Oh god, damn it. Uhthe mom? Yeah, she married,
she married Biff. But what's themom's name in the movie? Her name
is um? I hate all ofyou right now. So so the bottom
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line is it's about I had apointing back to the future. Back to
the Future wasn't like the best qualityfilmmaking. It was a great movie,
yes, but it's one of thebest movies ever made. And they didn't
have to use See what I'm sayingthey didn't have to use the tricks.
But what I'm saying is you don'thave to. They made billions not having
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to use tit's ass and race carsand explosions. They did it through good
writing. Yeah, but what ifthey hadn't at that at that time,
Like, dude, I guarantee Backto the Future two would have been a
completely different like this. I'm nottalking Back to the Future two. I
just I know, but Back toFuture two kind of was a flop that
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in your opinion and liked it andwe liked it, but like they flopped
in the botto. So the bottomline here is what we're talking about is
quality. Quality. Again, I'mnot gonna say quality of a quantity because
none of the gout nine, butit's quality. They didn't Back to the
Future didn't need explosions and like fuckingfast cars and hot tits and fucking bikinis
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and fucking dudes with guns. Itwas great storytelling and it's still to this
day one of the most classic filmsin the history of filmmaking. So what
does that tell you about fast andfurious? I just want to make sure
we don't go down that road.That's just it's the easy way out.
There's still genres. Man, giveme one other big movie that's considered a
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classic in history that used those tricksJahs didn't. Back to the Future didn't.
You're talking about You still saw peopleon the beach, would fucking bikinis
and shit, So it still useda little bit on the beach esthetically,
it wasn't a focus. But inFast and and Furious that's a huge focus.
You're saying the sexuality was more ofa focus on. Yes, what
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I'm saying is in these other classics, the story was a focus. Right,
No, I was Okay, Okay, listen, let me ask you
all, because I think has hasthe entire franchise ever once been nominated for
any award? Yeah, actually Ido. I think they got best doesn't
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count. No, No, Ithink they got I think they actually got
nominated for special effects. I thinkthey got nominated for special effects. I
love to look that up. Whileyou look that up, look that up,
I'm gonna give you a quote andsee if you know who this is
and and why does that matter?But exactly, Kurt, I don't even
understand why that matter. Seven movies, So you're basically saying that if they're
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not of the movies. No,I'm just trying to add more to this
because we've been discussing a while,So I'm trying to add other layers to
wonder maybe we can validate why itshould be and the upper echelon. Because
you're right, Kurt. Critics ChoiceMovie Award, MTV Movie Award for Best
on Screen the Best on Screen Duo, which I'm sure two dudes. Screen
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Actors Guild Awards, a Screen ActorsGuild Award. That's the first thing.
Congratulations done. Well, let metell you this. Too Fast, Too
Furious in two thousand and three madetwo hundred and thirty six point four million,
one hundred and twenty seven million domestic, one hundred nine international. Fast
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five made six hundred thirty million,two hundred and ten domestic, four twenty
million internationals Hobbs and Shaw, I'mgonna ski away ahead. Hobbs in Shaw
twenty nineteen made seven hundred five worldwide. Look see see what he's saying.
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This is a normal movie goer righthere. So am I. No,
you're fucking biased, dude. Youliterally jerk off the fucking jerk off to
Jason State and on the Rock,they're stupid as movies that you watched too,
dude, that that are probably justgarbage. If I went to your
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house, the same it's the samething. Stupid you're watching that and Hobson
Saw twenty nineteen made Stop that shitseven hundred and sixty million worldwide. But
(36:28):
check this out of the check thisout of the seven hundred and sixty million
and made worldwide. It only madeone hundred and seventy three domestically. It
made five hundred and eighty six millioninternationally. That's three times of what it
made here domestically. So what yes, no, but that's a great stat
It's it's a very that's not okay. I don't think you guys. Listen,
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these are amazing stats. It's veryinteresting, you guys. I'm saying
this is like, Wow, thisis amazing, Like these statistics Fast and
Furies six seven hundred eighty nine pointthree million, It made two hundred and
thirty eight domestic, five hundred andfifty international. I'm saying this is like,
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these are fucking pro the most amazingfigures I've ever heard. There's no
fucking franchise that's done this ever,ever. Ever, I'm complimenting it.
What you what you guys too,You aren't getting is I'm actually giving a
compliments for a business thing. I'mnot giving in compliments as far as content,
but I think there's I'm giving mecompliments as far as what it did.
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But I do think though a partof that has to do with the
content, because it does it takespeople away from their everyday lines. I
mean, that's the whole point,and that's what we're here in movies.
And do you have a percentage ofhow many of the fans of these films
are guys compared to women? Andbecause there's definitely a more visual oriented no
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series, so I'm gonna say there'sdefinitely way more guys, you know.
So the reason why it's also builtover time two is because like any franchise,
each one the fan base goes tothe next one and builds a bigger
fan base than the next one.It grows. But you have to remember
in Asian culture and overseas, they'reall about fast cars and the fucking racing's
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true racing. But they don't.The movies aren't even necessarily about street racing
anymore. So the final one,Curious seven, one point five billion,
Yeah, exactly, So listen tothat's because that's the last one that Paul
Walker was one point five billion.It made three hundred and fifty three domestically.
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It was a beautiful movie. Itmade one point one billion internationally.
Story it was Paul Walker. Hedied, you know, the day he
died, big fan. November thirtybut you don't even understand the fact that
the story of that movie was goodand it was moving and it made people
cry. Hold wasn't moving because ofPaul Walker, or would have been moving
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without if he wouldn't have passed,would have been moving? Yes, Jesus,
that movie ever? This movie ever? Do you? Are you hearing
what he's saying? So you agreewith that? You agree with the best
movie ever? Agree? I agree? You come off a reference. I
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say that it's not the best movieever? Was that means of the theater?
No, it wasn't. Was Ocean'seleven a better movie? I like
it was? Series? This wasbetter? Absolutely? Do you like Game
of Thrones? Way better? Thiswas way better than give Sign of the
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Show, Lord of the Rings.Stupid franchise. Compared to Fast Okay,
breaking bad? Oh that guy's silencefor a second. Oh I got him
from the Actually the story, I'msorry. Was there a good story?
There was there good character development.There's no oh my gosh, there's no
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turbo in this movie. So thisthere was still fast cars and kids.
This is better. This is holdon, let's wine because you fucking got
you? Actually, if I hada picture of your face, you actual
didn't even have to say didn't.I literally was going and and Greg,
this is like hating on me forhating. I'm not hating on the franchise
(40:38):
questions. We're just question I'm questioningwhy and I got him on that breaking
bad ride or die breaking bad ordie lu didn't blow the wells on the
intake. Breaking Bad was great story, great characters, great fucking relationships.
You know, so fucking from beginningto end, so much, so serious,
(40:59):
so much still it has six lastsix was that way they wrote that
specifically it started changed in fast six. Right, This isn't about you when
your brothers out there, he's aboutto pull a job and we're running out
of time. You guys were talking. You guys are talking to a theater,
a guy who originated but theater.I do fear it now. Okay,
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he's not doing theater right now,he's yeh, been on set and
yeah, but there's a but there'sa love for a specific type of uh
of acting and writing that you getreality, right, You suspend reality with
a theater, correct, with theater, not real. Theaters way closer to
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a person than acting. And there'sstill a suspensive reality because you got to
take that journey with Gret. Okay, so well, even more good actor?
Okay, so you have to begood, that's what I'm like.
You're gonna tell me, You're gonnatell me Kurt Russell is not a good
actor. No, but he's nota literally, let's go to Tyrese Tyres,
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why are you gonna go to this? So? Okay, he just
said if was on the theater,stays and said, but this is Shakespeare.
That's the funny thing. Vin Dieselactually grew up in theater. He's
a theater game. He's a desnondragons guy. Actually he plays doesn't,
but he also is a theater guy. He's he's a theater okay, so
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okay, put Tyres up there todo some players garbage is my opinion anyways,
and probably could be good. What'syour problem with Tyres? I don't
he beat me out of that role? Did he just kidd? No?
The thing is again, there's nohate. This is what you guys understanding.
Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Awesome,You're the last person in the world
(42:53):
I expected to show up. Hey, who's this? You need to go
to hell. No, and youneed to go back to Barstow, what
moves that from? That's from Fasttwenty three. That's Tyrese and Paul Walker
line Fast too, how about Ithought you weren't supposed to go more than
(43:14):
a hundred yards away from your homeAnd this guy says, why you think
I'm park so close to the Imean, that's that's definitely Fast Fast seven
sisters right about this one. Thisdon't feel good. So the thing is,
it's like there's no hate here.It's just acknowledging that it's kind of
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on a certain level of filmmaking.And and and we're here to talk about
that. And we're gonna end theshow right here because it was a great
conversation. We had some great backand forth here and right. And the
bottom line is, no one's right. We just give our opinions. The
bottom line is we want to tellthe story because we don't talk about movies
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much. But since this is sucha big franchise and they have a new
one coming out twenty twenty one,we want This show's about getting people ready
from twenty twenty on in the future, and we want to get we want
to realize what is the future filmmakingfor us? Are we only going to
be expecting some films at this levelthat that rely on big budget explosions and
(44:16):
fast cars. Are we gonna stilladhere to movies have great storytelling like green
Book. Green Book is a greatmovie. Do you remember green Book came
out last year with rehearsal oshpas Ali. He's behind you on that picture right
there. So what I'm saying isit's storytelling and filmmaking. And yes,
(44:37):
we love to enjoy. Look,that's why we go to amusement parks.
We love to ride fucking fucking rollercoasters, we go to strip close.
We would like to be entertained.But it doesn't mean it's quality. Wow,
And I don't agree with that atall. Yo, anything end that's
(45:07):
too basse curious. We got gunhe's the run on man's only. We
got a fucking answering look. Andwe got fucking new guy. Your name
Boycott, this ship Boycott. Sohis nickname is Bookco They said, Jasy
Glenos America podcast a Chrit Sarah's thisis pointing rod call. That's a good
(45:30):
night. Probably another ring. Yougot thirty six hours to crack this bastard.
You might want to be thinking aboutanother career you're gonna go around,
and said everybody should on
Ladies and gentlemen, please take yourseats. The show is about to begin.
Let's go for a little ride.I lived my life for a quarter
(00:21):
mile of a time. Nothing elsematters. Brian Earl strumming sounds like a
serial killing man? Is that whatyou are? Oh man? Drive like
you dumbs before? What are youa will man? No? So why
don't you hit how you were fullof? You went in a grenaline rush.
(00:43):
It open too much. That's notwhat I had in mind. And
that's it. So this country bookon this episode, it's about so this
is the first time it's we gota lot of We're being in a lot
of like people want us to doBob movies, So we decided to the
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biggest franchise in the history of theworld, the Fast and Furious franchise.
We're not gonna break down the movie. I don't think we're gonna talk about
it much, but we're gonna talkabout it is it's impact on society.
What do we have to look foras far as movies are concern Because do
you really want this kind of moviecoming over and over and over and over
and over and over and hold on, hold in five more times, over
(01:25):
and over and is that nine rockymovies? Is that? Oh shit?
Hold on three more over and overand rambo? I mean, I mean
how many? But those there's somequality. You just said Star Wars that's
actually quality? How is how isfast? And the Fury is not?
Damn too. I was not expectingto walk into our fucking hate that time.
(01:46):
Still, let's talk about it.Still, let's talk about good movie.
But that's why I'm the antithesis ofyou, guys. So I want
to hear you guys take go,let's play. So I'm gonna name some
names, make name some names.I'm then do you know who this is?
Yeah, Charlie's throne. Yeah.Well, first of all, she
got an Academy Award for Monster,So no, no, no, no,
(02:08):
what which which fact? If I'msuch a fan she played Sier Move
onward. This guy's fan, Ohmy god? Okay, who how about
car Russell? Mister nobody dude?This guy? Okay, because look,
(02:28):
dude, you're not a real fanthen, so you can't talk. I
don't never you're getting mad at mefor like, I'm not hating on them
having fucking thirteen movies, but thenyou can't love on it. Either if
you don't not, Okay, I'llgots you one. Who's who is?
Who is ludicrous? He's like,he's one of the main ones. But
I don't know it now he was. He was in the spin off Tyres
(02:53):
Gibson. Tyres is a little bit, but he's he's in the main ones.
Yes, how about this one?Tell me who that is? Natalie
Emmanuel. I think she's the newerchick. Okay, what's the most I
know, what's the most famous TVseries ever out on TV? That she's
from? Natalie Emmanuel the only thing, the most famous TV series, American
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family, the best TV serious.It's actually not really American, it's Medieval,
the most famous. Oh yes,Greg's got it. So Natalie watch
Emmanuel is from the Frost and Furiousseries. She's from Game of Thrones.
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She played Calisi's right hand woman,the skinny girl that got killed up on
the wall. Yeah. Yeah,she's from Fast and Furious. Right,
I didn't know that. You're nota fan, bro, you know what?
I well, I don't know.I've never watched an episode of Game
of Thrones. I swear to go. So you've never watched Game of Thrones,
(04:04):
but you want to promote Fast andFurious. Do you need to get
out of this? We're gone.It's a good movie, and anybody says
it's not can't go themselves. Goodmovie, it's good night. One has
nothing to do with the other.It's entertainment. Who's Jordan and Brewster?
Oh Man suck exactly? Okay,let's ask this dick So Greg Sarrano,
(04:30):
who has been Diesel? Play ofdiesels the main hand the pros. But
you're a big fan. So itwas this character who said I was a
fan. No, I'm a fanof fucking somebody making being successful? Yeah,
yeah, oh being successful? Butyes, but so Fast and Furious
is super successful. What's gonna getin the money in a second. But
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on the other hand, do youthink it's great filmmaking? Yeah? I
don't. I don't watch the movies. Man, Okay, okay, So
you know I personally think it isWho's son King? Oh that's hard.
I work with him on power.So there you go. I like that
(05:14):
good. Can you do a quickfavorite? Jason Galindo, who does Michelle
Rodriguez play? Oh Man? Iride er died dude letty? And to
top it off, well, wegot Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham, Hobbs
and shaw Man. There you goand look these movies rivaled and still rival
(05:40):
the Marvel Universe, which are thebiggest franchise making movies in the history of
fucking filmmaking. Fucking fast, there'sfuck they're making the ninth one. In
twenty fifteen, Vin Diesel was thethird highest paid actor in the world.
He made forty seven million dollars.In twenty seventeen, he was the third
highest paid. He made fifty fourpoint three million dollars. This is fucking
(06:03):
crazy, so fast and furious franchisehas made five point eight billion dollars.
That's that's the size of a smallcountry. Like that's bigger than most countries.
I only think there's probably a fewcountries that are actually worth out.
You know, we keep going becauseI know you have some more. Dude,
We got lots of stats. Wecan do the stats all day.
(06:24):
But my question is being in thisindustry and we're talking about this for the
people, because this is the future. Again, this show is about This
is a quarantine role call. Thisshows about the future of our our world.
Are we gonna keep making quality filmmaking? Are we just gonna be selling
out and making thinks it is.Oh god, it is it still is?
(06:46):
It is? Um Cinema movies ingeneral is supposed to basically take you
away from your your regular life,right, It's supposed to entertain you and
pull you out of your your normaldata take on. That's a good thing.
Well, I can guarantee right now. One of the movies that do
(07:10):
that completely take you away from anytype of reality are those Fast and Furious.
So I can watch the same thing. That's fine, And if that's
your choice, then you do sothen we don't need to spend all this
money on. Yeah, and I'mone of them, and I I you
know I will. But what doesthat say about our society? If people
(07:30):
are willing to watch subpar material withno story? Why is it because there's
no story? It's very it's verybaseless. They've actually connected. There's movies
that actually connect, so if youmiss one, you actually would miss a
certain So if the calibrator in Fastand Furious too didn't connect with the fucking
(07:51):
rotators four, that's how they connectthem. It's about fucking cars, dude.
It's not though it's not anymore.It's about if you watch the movies.
It's it's literally not they're they're literallylike a it's a heist movie.
Every movie after after the I wouldeither I would say after the third one,
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probably after the third one, itturned into a heist movie. That
that that genre is a heist movie. It's no longer just about the cars,
pere and simple. You can youcan have anybody else come on this
show, and I gulsions. Thehotter the people doesn't matter, the more
cool they still have. They stillhave actors on there than are are good
(08:37):
caliber actors. So I look atit. It's still a good movie.
But yeah, but I'm here,I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong.
Again, I want to propose thiswith nobody's wrong here with their opinion,
because it's all opinions. Well,I'm right when you talk. I'm entertaining.
It's good you're a Niners fan,which already puts you in the wrong
category. But I'll give you thisone. I can't help. And you're
(08:58):
wearing Niners hat right now, beautifulhat. So but the bottom line is,
I'm not saying anybody's wrong here,Like honestly, it's all our opinions,
and I'm gonna be very out ofmeant on my side. The Fast
Furious. Um, I'm I've neverbeen a fan. I always had this
saying. Back in the nineties andearly two thousands, I used to say,
fuck those fucking big bunch of movies, those fucking um the Mummy type
(09:22):
movies. Like those big movies,We'll have no brains. They're all it's
all about explosions. But this isthe same genre because Stars did not turn
into a big money making movie untiluntil it made that billion dollar market.
He was gonna ask it, They'regonna ask everything. It was more of
(09:43):
a it was more that's that wasmore of an independent franchise. Honestly.
Oh no, so there's no independentmovie that's made here and Greg, we'll
go there, let's take more money. Well, here's here's the thing.
Okay, Kurt, if you hada recurring role in the Fast and Furious
franchise, would we be having thisconversation. First of all, if you
(10:07):
had any role in that fucking movie, you're just gonna turn that shit down.
No, obviously, but I would. I would probably say, Hey,
I'm fucking yeah, it's fucking badasssome of these movies. But I
would actually, but I couldn't honestlysay you don't know that. I couldn't
talk shit about it because I'm partof it. Yeah, because you'd be
(10:28):
fucking making bang. But it alsomight. But at the same time,
not being part of it, Ican have a different perspective and say,
dude, it's not quality you're lookingat you, but the thing is you're
looking at film at a certain way. Like bottom line, this industry as
a whole is set up to takepeople out of their everyday lives. It's
(10:50):
it's supposed to get them to lookand imagine and see different things that they're
not experienced. Dude, they weredoing that bag in Shakespeare Takes. They
did that with good dialogue. Butthere was some character development, great scenes,
great storytelling things. He didn't haveexplosions, he didn't have tits and
ass he didn't have fast cars,explosions, lethal weapon movies have explosives,
(11:15):
and the Mummy, but dude,the Mom of the Rock was in one
of those movies. Exactly, thankyou, thank you, exactly. So
where this is our future? Soagain, the show's about telling you you're
wrong. I love that you're rightbecause I want to be wrong because all
(11:37):
I'm saying here is I'm giving facts. Do we is our future? Too
fast, too furious? Like fuckingjust like every fucking big movie. It's
like, that's a joke with amongstmy friends I hang out with, Like
when it's I don't, I don'tlook at it. It's the same thing
though it's still it still comes downto this. It comes down to the
fact that those movies entertain people.And honestly, I'm not a shame to
(12:00):
say that I like those movies becauseI think they're great and I also think
I mean, kudos did fucking Vindiesel Man. Yeah, first of all,
he does that movie, but thenhe also does a voice in fucking
it fucking Avengers. He says,I'm grouped. I mean you have even
saying that. I know, becauseit's weird if you look at it,
though, that guy as as abusinessman, you've got to give it up
(12:28):
to that guy because he literally,oh, we're not taking away, he
says. That guy says three wordsin that movie over and over and over
again, so let me repeat.In twenty fifteen, he made forty seven
million dollars and again twenty seven probablybecause of both years third most grossing actor
fifty four million. So yeah,not taking that away from him. We're
(12:50):
not no, no, no,I'm not. No, that's not taken
away from him. That is thatagain, that's like the politics thing.
I think just because I say thatI agree or disagree with this doesn't make
me a Trumpster. Just because Idisagree or agree that the movie's not good
or not doesn't mean that Ben Dieselis, like, honestly Ben Diesel being
(13:15):
good. Yeah, right right,like Ben Diesel fucking great, dude,
he fucking made that money. That'sfun, dude. Dude, that's one
hundred million dollars between two years.Yeah, that's fucking great. Good for
him, So, Michael, So, so the thing is, I'm gonna
say, June twenty second, twothousand and one, the first film,
June twenty second, two thousand andone, made two hundred and six million.
(13:37):
Is that in because you said earlier, Oh, it's just an independent
film. Independent films don't make twomillion. That's how it was shot,
and that's that's how it was.No, that was always be universal.
No, it's always been a universe. Was not done in the in the
in the clear. So just totell you, the whole movie was filed
(14:00):
nobody's universal, I know, butthe experiment was and then and that's what
it was. It was. Itwas built to be as more of an
independent movie than just your straight mainstreamon an independent It was supposed to catch
It was supposed to catch on withwith these racers and stuff. I'm telling
(14:20):
you, man, yeah it was, but that's not an independent movie is
actually not studio basis that what I'mwhat I'm saying is what I'm saying is,
in my opinion, I think thatit was. It was meant to
be more of an independent style movie. It was just you know, but
it wasn't I understand. So further, people listening and following this, I
(14:43):
wanted to ask you guys this questionas well as you What I'm what I'm
saying is I'm saying the intent.I think the intent was to make it
that way because they there's a clearlittle pocket of people that they were trying
to to attract. Am I rightor not? Because they were going for
that race sort of thing, right, and then the audience. And so
that's why I say I think theintent was to make this of more of
(15:07):
a independent style movie. No,I think that's just it was it wasn't
an independent audience. The audience wasspecific correct, but it was not an
independent because it was always back.But you know, I know that,
No, I know that. Ithink, yes, it's kind of great.
(15:28):
It's got great dude, they've gotgreat paying jobs on the that's a
great director that you can't fucking sitthere and talk about like the people involved
in these dude. But you're anactor and you're a performer. You can't
rate something this isn't But I would, I would do that because it is
still art, just just because youknow, you know, I'm not gonna
(15:50):
say it's not art. People maylook at a certain way, but you're
you're you're putting yourself into this,this character, right, and you're making
little nuances and little changes to it, and in doing whatever it is to
make that a believable character, andsomeone that that may actually radiate with someone
like like someone might go, oh, man, if I can know what
(16:12):
that guy's saying, and look,what's his name? O'Connor the Jesus Christ?
Why can't I think of his nameright now? He passed um?
The main the other main guy.Why can't I think from from fast?
(16:32):
Like I wouldn't initially think that hedid Skulls. He was in Skulls with
Joshua Jackson. Great movie. Imean, I'll pull out all this shit.
I just look that move. Thatseries of movies built fucking careers for
people. And I don't give afuck who you are. You can't take
away from that. And if youwant to say, Okay, great,
(16:55):
it's not cinema, fine, ifyou want to say that, cool.
But bottom line, being tent isto take people out of their everyday life.
And it's also it's there to givepeople's job. It made work for
people for fucking over ten years,over twenty years. This is work that
(17:17):
I guarantee you that it's pretty muchprobably at this point the same crew that's
working on those on those movies.Now you know what I'm saying. So
I don't look at We're not disputingthat it gives people's jobs. But the
question of this episode is about what'sthe future of filmmaking beyond this, because
if we're gonna keep making movies likethis, it's completely more desensitizing us as
a society, honestly, because we'relosing the quality and our work of filmmaking.
(17:44):
If you went out right now andsold drugs and fucking made lots of
money and we're enjoying it. Hey, I would actually be like fucking good
for Glinda. I wouldn't agree withit. You shouldn't same with this.
This is the equivalent of selling drugs. It's fucking bullshit, dude, too
fast, too furious, just fuckingbullshit. Stop filmmaking. Give me one
(18:06):
scene that makes you fucking cry andmoved to tell me that movie? Dude,
tell me once you know and allthe too fast fees, I will
tell you right Greg fast of allthe movies, tell me one scene.
I'll tell you right now. Giveme a lot. Hey, yo yo,
about to lose yore partner. Thisis done. I got this.
You think I'm worried about this food? Ask for something? These are lines
(18:26):
to the movie that's These are thetop twenty lines scene right now, top
twenty lines movie you got? Okay, say one? Give me a scene,
go ahead, I got lots ofthat's what's your best time? I've
never driven her? Why not?Scares the shit out of me? Whoa
fellas? Fellas? I know mytags are out of date. Damn,
(18:48):
that's little Chris. It's not howyou stand by your car shot you,
We'll smack that ass. That's devilon iokies who plays Suki? Yeah,
first of all, I guarantee youall these lines are from one, two,
and three skanks. Why don't yourgirls just pack it up before I
need treadmarks on your face? Okay, these are the top ten lines,
(19:14):
so Suki says, ben over boyand Romans who and Tyrese Gibson, who's
plays Roman, says, damn girl. Yeah, these are like come on,
you go get out. It's likethis, I lose, winner takes
my car clean and clear. Butif I win, I take the cash
and I take the respect. Yeah. These cars are wild hot, so
(19:37):
hot that whoever's tracking, you know, is when you're not wearing your seat
belts. That's Timmy? Who's timya Yo Yomi exactly that. That's fast
and furious three. Look, thisis on here, Suki says, it's
on here. Move bits. That'sone of the time I'm likes. So
what I'm saying out here, whatI'm saying here, glenday'd you bring the
(19:57):
buster here? Because the bus turnedme out of handcuffs. He didn't just
run back to the four. Thebuster brought me back how is this epic
filmmaking? Yeah, I'm telling youright there, those weren't the last the
first three movies. The first onewas good ting three word really. So
(20:18):
now I want to ask you guys, Greg too, because I think he's
a fan of the FASTI fear is, how are these like the things that
are gonna be Are they gonna beteaching these films in film school? Why?
Well, I'll tell you what Igot from this entire beginning of this
(20:38):
podcast not over yet, I knowwhat I got from from the beginning is,
you know, some movies are notyou know, they're not based off
of their dialogue. So some ofthem are just they are just fucking shoot
them up, blast them up,fucking exciting shit. Absolutely so, so
(21:00):
I would I would kind of putthe Fast Furious films in that category.
They're not like, they're not meantto go down as You're so right about
that, because they're fucking epic,um big budget summer movie type films.
One of the most iconic scenes inthose in those movies, it is Fast
(21:22):
Furious seven And they add this onat the end when after Paul Walker died.
Paul Walker died, right, theyadd this thing and right at the
end it's Vinde's gets in his carand he takes off. He's driving by
himself, and they're following him,and then he comes to a stop sign
and he's about ready to go,and next thing you know, another car
rolls up and who's in that fuckingcar, Fucking Paul Walker. And he
just looks over because I thought,you're gonna try and leave without saying goodbye.
(21:47):
Like that was a poignant scene.That was very last. That was
the very last I'm not I'm notgonna lie dude. The fact even that
line it made sense because I mean, first of all, the guy died
in a car crash because the guywas just really obviously driving too fast and
(22:11):
too furious. But it just likeit that one scene literally like at that
point they could have ended the entireseries, and they probably should have,
because that was the perfect moment toend that series. You have the two
original guys in a scene together,and and on top of that, one
(22:37):
of the original guys actually just passed, So they actually added that scene in
there, and they had to superimposehis They used his brother and put put
Paul Walker's face on there, anddid all this stuff but that was the
perfect scene. I adre, you'rea big fan. I mean, this
guy knows, like but that's justme being but you're a big fan.
(22:59):
That's great. But that's my pointthough. My point is I'm coming at
that as a movie fan. Icame into that movie. I knew what
it was, but I knew Iwas going to enjoy it because it's gonna
take me away from my everyday life. I mean, that's what we do
this shit for. This is whywe ask true. But great movies take
you away from that, like greatstorytelling, right, like that that don't
(23:22):
have explosions and the fast cars theytake away. There's other things that can
do that too. You're right.So they made billions of dollars. So
here we're gonna go. So wewe finished twenty June twenty second, two
thousand and one. In your opinion, what is the best movie? Two
hundred and six million? Yes?Do you want me to give you my
opinion of the best Fast and Furiousmovies? No? No, No,
(23:45):
it's the one that hasn't been madeyet. I'm saying in general. August
fourteenth, twenty seventeen, Feet andFurious made one point two billion. Yeah,
that's uh, that's eight yeah,August, I mean April second,
twenty twenty one, Fasterest nine.The Fast Song is supposed to come out.
(24:06):
But Tokyo a Drift made one hundredand fifty seven point seven million,
sixty two point six million domestic,ninety five million international, who's directed by
Justin Lynn, who's huge. Nowhe's fucking huge. Yeah, I mean
he's huge. Then that blew themup. So what's your feelings on this?
Are you a fan of these fuckingbig bunch of movies? Do you
(24:27):
like things more story? No?I don't. I don't like CGI movies
personally, Like I'd rather, uhmovies go back to the days where you
know, they use the blood packsif they shoot somebody and a movie without
a story, that shit still hasa story. Well okay, well let
(24:49):
me say this, like, howmuch are they worth? Kurt? Did
you say that franchise so far?Multi billions? Right now? It's a
five point eight billion Okay, They'reworth more than Barbados as a country at
this point. Okay, So Imean, fine, they made the money,
but it's not it's a genre ofmovies that are They're not like you're
(25:11):
not gonna look back on these moviesfifty years from now and be like that
was a great set of fact andthey don't care about that exactly, And
that's not our question. Why arewe the fact that you even bro this
is this is straight hate. No, it's not hate. You hate all
you want, because it's not point. Like the point of this episode is
(25:36):
about he made a fucking series offilms that were that we're not possibly like
like the most um, I don'tknow, dramatic or yeah, I see
what you're saying. Like it wasn'tsupposed to like change faking people's ideas of
(25:59):
film, and like it was justthrown out there just to be about it.
It was just a car movie.Literally was a car fucking exciting,
esthetically pleasing, fucking yes, andso what what what's the what's the issue?
Like so the so there's no issuethe point of this episode, it's
(26:21):
talk about an issue. The pointof this episode is telling our fans and
people listening to us itself, isare we going in this direction of just
making films that are about money?Are we going to tell stories? We're
going in that direction period with thefucking TikTok texting is all about fucking straight
up. Yeah, but making money, fucking doing your ship. And that's
(26:41):
the problem with our society, andthat's why I'm doing the show. But
you keep you keep putting, youkeep putting this movie into that stratosphere.
And it's like, dude, theyhad a story. Somebody wrote that fucking
movie, and there's there's a storythere. You can't you can't put You
can't put those movies with fucking peoplethat do TikTok and shit. But you
(27:03):
can't because you can't actually said Gregsaid it as a bullshit dude, it's
the same dude. That's that's minutelevel stuff. TikTok and Fast and Furious
are like bottom of the barrel.No, man, you had a kid
that wrote that movie. You hada legit person that I'm not taking away.
It doesn't matter who I will cutyou, It doesn't matter how so
(27:26):
he was so legit. It doesn'tmatter who wrote it. It's a guy.
It made a lot of money.It's made a lot of money.
They're never gonna hire that guy tomake an Academy Award winning film. But
why you don't know that? Havethey yet? You don't know that though
about this? You don't know thatabout this franchise has been going on for
ten years. That's bullshit. Thoughyou don't know that about that writer.
(27:48):
Why haven't about you? Though?Why haven't they yet? And I still
I have a ton of faith thatyou would fucking at some point fucking get
an Oscar. Okay, So Iappreciate that, But you can't say that
about these writers and go, oh, it's just gonna be They're gonna write
the same bullshit all the time.One of those writers might just out of
nowhere. They absolutely that, theyabsolutely might. But the problem here is
(28:11):
I don't want to see filmmaking onlygoing in the direction of Tit's assid and
explosions. But now me and theMad Sign just gotta rip apart the block
and replace the piston rings. You'refraud. I personally have never been a
fan of big budget like summer blockbusters, because I feel they try to cover
out in When you watched an OrnodSchwartzenegger movie, you literally at that point
(28:36):
where like, I don't I don'treally like this. I didn't judge it.
I was I think it was tooyoung to judge that. I was
like, all right, whatever,But it's the same thing. I'm not
gonna say the fucking predators were greatbecause they weren't. What about a raw
Deal? That was a great film, excellently written. Fucking raw deal.
I mean he did this whole fuckingthings a raw deal. There's a lot
(28:57):
of stuff going on here, Amando. I'm you guess who said this?
Man? When did you start eatingso much? Oh? I was in
jail, bra I know how shittythe grub is on the inside. With
the ways things are shaping up outhere right now, you would have signed
that contract in the heart. It'llbe a matter of time. I hunt
(29:18):
the horses a Detroit muscle. It'sa beast. Guys, you have to
be more open minded to be realized. I am actually being open minded.
And the thing is is, II'm being opinionated about entertaining of filmmaking.
But if if it entertains people,then it's good because that's what it's for.
(29:40):
So so should there be be outthere? Should strippers be out there?
I should prostitutes be on the streetcorner? Yeah? They they they
they they They entertain people as longas be out there. I had a
wrench and I heard him and Ididn't intend to keep hitting him, but
(30:06):
by the time I was done,I couldn't lift my arms. What's the
future of filmmaking if our biggest blockbustersare these with no story? There's just
tits and assid hot cards. Iknow, but that's my point. Though
they have a story, what can'tyou can't? Just what rating are the
Fast and Furious movies? Sure,the last one was our I think prior
(30:29):
to that, I think it wasPG or maybe PG thirteen, whatever it
is, I think the last one. I think the last one might have
gotten an R rating. Let meask you something should watch that one?
Do you like Sylvie's Choice? Haveyou heard of it? Now? I
do know that movie. I've neverwatched it, but yes, I know
with Meryl Streep, Meryl Streep andso okay, so let's I'm just gonna
(30:52):
throw some things out of you.Shakespeare Love, Yeah, I know that.
So these are films that have greatstories, great characters, element they're
well written, the scripts are tight, and the thing die Hard Diehard was
awesome. You know, you knowwhat? You know, what's considered one
of the best scripts ever made tothis day is Back to the Future,
(31:14):
which was kind of action. That'sconsider tom tin scripts ever made. Do
you see what I'm talking about here. It wasn't cheesy. There was still
a story too. They didn't usethe tricks, and look, they didn't
use did Back to the Future usetits and ass and hot cars? Actually?
And back to the Future is ittoo? Yeah, it's two.
(31:37):
What's her name with the big titties? She she had the big fake fake
tits in it. Uh? Sheshe married? She married? Um?
Oh god, damn it. Uhthe mom? Yeah, she married,
she married Biff. But what's themom's name in the movie? Her name
is um? I hate all ofyou right now. So so the bottom
(32:00):
line is it's about I had apointing back to the future. Back to
the Future wasn't like the best qualityfilmmaking. It was a great movie,
yes, but it's one of thebest movies ever made. And they didn't
have to use See what I'm sayingthey didn't have to use the tricks.
But what I'm saying is you don'thave to. They made billions not having
(32:22):
to use tit's ass and race carsand explosions. They did it through good
writing. Yeah, but what ifthey hadn't at that at that time,
Like, dude, I guarantee Backto the Future two would have been a
completely different like this. I'm nottalking Back to the Future two. I
just I know, but Back toFuture two kind of was a flop that
(32:45):
in your opinion and liked it andwe liked it, but like they flopped
in the botto. So the bottomline here is what we're talking about is
quality. Quality. Again, I'mnot gonna say quality of a quantity because
none of the gout nine, butit's quality. They didn't Back to the
Future didn't need explosions and like fuckingfast cars and hot tits and fucking bikinis
(33:07):
and fucking dudes with guns. Itwas great storytelling and it's still to this
day one of the most classic filmsin the history of filmmaking. So what
does that tell you about fast andfurious? I just want to make sure
we don't go down that road.That's just it's the easy way out.
There's still genres. Man, giveme one other big movie that's considered a
(33:28):
classic in history that used those tricksJahs didn't. Back to the Future didn't.
You're talking about You still saw peopleon the beach, would fucking bikinis
and shit, So it still useda little bit on the beach esthetically,
it wasn't a focus. But inFast and and Furious that's a huge focus.
You're saying the sexuality was more ofa focus on. Yes, what
(33:51):
I'm saying is in these other classics, the story was a focus. Right,
No, I was Okay, Okay, listen, let me ask you
all, because I think has hasthe entire franchise ever once been nominated for
any award? Yeah, actually Ido. I think they got best doesn't
(34:16):
count. No, No, Ithink they got I think they actually got
nominated for special effects. I thinkthey got nominated for special effects. I
love to look that up. Whileyou look that up, look that up,
I'm gonna give you a quote andsee if you know who this is
and and why does that matter?But exactly, Kurt, I don't even
understand why that matter. Seven movies, So you're basically saying that if they're
(34:36):
not of the movies. No,I'm just trying to add more to this
because we've been discussing a while,So I'm trying to add other layers to
wonder maybe we can validate why itshould be and the upper echelon. Because
you're right, Kurt. Critics ChoiceMovie Award, MTV Movie Award for Best
on Screen the Best on Screen Duo, which I'm sure two dudes. Screen
(35:01):
Actors Guild Awards, a Screen ActorsGuild Award. That's the first thing.
Congratulations done. Well, let metell you this. Too Fast, Too
Furious in two thousand and three madetwo hundred and thirty six point four million,
one hundred and twenty seven million domestic, one hundred nine international. Fast
(35:23):
five made six hundred thirty million,two hundred and ten domestic, four twenty
million internationals Hobbs and Shaw, I'mgonna ski away ahead. Hobbs in Shaw
twenty nineteen made seven hundred five worldwide. Look see see what he's saying.
(35:47):
This is a normal movie goer righthere. So am I. No,
you're fucking biased, dude. Youliterally jerk off the fucking jerk off to
Jason State and on the Rock,they're stupid as movies that you watched too,
dude, that that are probably justgarbage. If I went to your
(36:07):
house, the same it's the samething. Stupid you're watching that and Hobson
Saw twenty nineteen made Stop that shitseven hundred and sixty million worldwide. But
(36:28):
check this out of the check thisout of the seven hundred and sixty million
and made worldwide. It only madeone hundred and seventy three domestically. It
made five hundred and eighty six millioninternationally. That's three times of what it
made here domestically. So what yes, no, but that's a great stat
It's it's a very that's not okay. I don't think you guys. Listen,
(36:52):
these are amazing stats. It's veryinteresting, you guys. I'm saying
this is like, Wow, thisis amazing, Like these statistics Fast and
Furies six seven hundred eighty nine pointthree million, It made two hundred and
thirty eight domestic, five hundred andfifty international. I'm saying this is like,
(37:15):
these are fucking pro the most amazingfigures I've ever heard. There's no
fucking franchise that's done this ever,ever. Ever, I'm complimenting it.
What you what you guys too,You aren't getting is I'm actually giving a
compliments for a business thing. I'mnot giving in compliments as far as content,
but I think there's I'm giving mecompliments as far as what it did.
(37:37):
But I do think though a partof that has to do with the
content, because it does it takespeople away from their everyday lines. I
mean, that's the whole point,and that's what we're here in movies.
And do you have a percentage ofhow many of the fans of these films
are guys compared to women? Andbecause there's definitely a more visual oriented no
(38:00):
series, so I'm gonna say there'sdefinitely way more guys, you know.
So the reason why it's also builtover time two is because like any franchise,
each one the fan base goes tothe next one and builds a bigger
fan base than the next one.It grows. But you have to remember
in Asian culture and overseas, they'reall about fast cars and the fucking racing's
(38:22):
true racing. But they don't.The movies aren't even necessarily about street racing
anymore. So the final one,Curious seven, one point five billion,
Yeah, exactly, So listen tothat's because that's the last one that Paul
Walker was one point five billion.It made three hundred and fifty three domestically.
(38:44):
It was a beautiful movie. Itmade one point one billion internationally.
Story it was Paul Walker. Hedied, you know, the day he
died, big fan. November thirtybut you don't even understand the fact that
the story of that movie was goodand it was moving and it made people
cry. Hold wasn't moving because ofPaul Walker, or would have been moving
(39:07):
without if he wouldn't have passed,would have been moving? Yes, Jesus,
that movie ever? This movie ever? Do you? Are you hearing
what he's saying? So you agreewith that? You agree with the best
movie ever? Agree? I agree? You come off a reference. I
(39:31):
say that it's not the best movieever? Was that means of the theater?
No, it wasn't. Was Ocean'seleven a better movie? I like
it was? Series? This wasbetter? Absolutely? Do you like Game
of Thrones? Way better? Thiswas way better than give Sign of the
(39:55):
Show, Lord of the Rings.Stupid franchise. Compared to Fast Okay,
breaking bad? Oh that guy's silencefor a second. Oh I got him
from the Actually the story, I'msorry. Was there a good story?
There was there good character development.There's no oh my gosh, there's no
(40:17):
turbo in this movie. So thisthere was still fast cars and kids.
This is better. This is holdon, let's wine because you fucking got
you? Actually, if I hada picture of your face, you actual
didn't even have to say didn't.I literally was going and and Greg,
this is like hating on me forhating. I'm not hating on the franchise
(40:38):
questions. We're just question I'm questioningwhy and I got him on that breaking
bad ride or die breaking bad ordie lu didn't blow the wells on the
intake. Breaking Bad was great story, great characters, great fucking relationships.
You know, so fucking from beginningto end, so much, so serious,
(40:59):
so much still it has six lastsix was that way they wrote that
specifically it started changed in fast six. Right, This isn't about you when
your brothers out there, he's aboutto pull a job and we're running out
of time. You guys were talking. You guys are talking to a theater,
a guy who originated but theater.I do fear it now. Okay,
(41:22):
he's not doing theater right now,he's yeh, been on set and
yeah, but there's a but there'sa love for a specific type of uh
of acting and writing that you getreality, right, You suspend reality with
a theater, correct, with theater, not real. Theaters way closer to
(41:43):
a person than acting. And there'sstill a suspensive reality because you got to
take that journey with Gret. Okay, so well, even more good actor?
Okay, so you have to begood, that's what I'm like.
You're gonna tell me, You're gonnatell me Kurt Russell is not a good
actor. No, but he's nota literally, let's go to Tyrese Tyres,
(42:05):
why are you gonna go to this? So? Okay, he just
said if was on the theater,stays and said, but this is Shakespeare.
That's the funny thing. Vin Dieselactually grew up in theater. He's
a theater game. He's a desnondragons guy. Actually he plays doesn't,
but he also is a theater guy. He's he's a theater okay, so
(42:30):
okay, put Tyres up there todo some players garbage is my opinion anyways,
and probably could be good. What'syour problem with Tyres? I don't
he beat me out of that role? Did he just kidd? No?
The thing is again, there's nohate. This is what you guys understanding.
Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Awesome,You're the last person in the world
(42:53):
I expected to show up. Hey, who's this? You need to go
to hell. No, and youneed to go back to Barstow, what
moves that from? That's from Fasttwenty three. That's Tyrese and Paul Walker
line Fast too, how about Ithought you weren't supposed to go more than
(43:14):
a hundred yards away from your homeAnd this guy says, why you think
I'm park so close to the Imean, that's that's definitely Fast Fast seven
sisters right about this one. Thisdon't feel good. So the thing is,
it's like there's no hate here.It's just acknowledging that it's kind of
(43:35):
on a certain level of filmmaking.And and and we're here to talk about
that. And we're gonna end theshow right here because it was a great
conversation. We had some great backand forth here and right. And the
bottom line is, no one's right. We just give our opinions. The
bottom line is we want to tellthe story because we don't talk about movies
(43:55):
much. But since this is sucha big franchise and they have a new
one coming out twenty twenty one,we want This show's about getting people ready
from twenty twenty on in the future, and we want to get we want
to realize what is the future filmmakingfor us? Are we only going to
be expecting some films at this levelthat that rely on big budget explosions and
(44:16):
fast cars. Are we gonna stilladhere to movies have great storytelling like green
Book. Green Book is a greatmovie. Do you remember green Book came
out last year with rehearsal oshpas Ali. He's behind you on that picture right
there. So what I'm saying isit's storytelling and filmmaking. And yes,
(44:37):
we love to enjoy. Look,that's why we go to amusement parks.
We love to ride fucking fucking rollercoasters, we go to strip close.
We would like to be entertained.But it doesn't mean it's quality. Wow,
And I don't agree with that atall. Yo, anything end that's
(45:07):
too basse curious. We got gunhe's the run on man's only. We
got a fucking answering look. Andwe got fucking new guy. Your name
Boycott, this ship Boycott. Sohis nickname is Bookco They said, Jasy
Glenos America podcast a Chrit Sarah's thisis pointing rod call. That's a good
(45:30):
night. Probably another ring. Yougot thirty six hours to crack this bastard.
You might want to be thinking aboutanother career you're gonna go around,
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