August 17, 2021 • 36 mins
Ellie Shoja makes us think about our own consciousness and discusses with America's Podcaster, Kurt Caceres, our decreasing inability to communicate with one another and be comfortable in our own skin. We are becoming to reliant on our devices to be our representative and we feel safer using a cartoon avatar as our spokesperson instead of being who we truly are. Ellie is no stranger to personalities and identities, she spent much of her childhood in refugee camps and on the run with her father who was an international con man. She had to speak different languages, claim different countries of origin and put on a false mask at a moments notice and play a character who she was not. It got to the point where she no longer remembered her true self. Is that happening in our society today? We are choosing to be someone we are not, because we feel it's safer and we will be more accepted. But is this a dangerous pattern that is taking us down the wrong direction?
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Ladies and gentlemen, please take yourseats. The show is a bound to
be gift. Welcome back to RollCall the podcast. This is America's podcaster
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Kurt Kassaras and there's a reason you'rejoining us today. This is part two
with my guest, Elie Soja,and if you join us to part one,
you heard her incredible life living asa child with a father who was
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an international con man, running andfleeing from country to country, city to
city, village to village. Differentidentifications, different personalities, different backgrounds,
different languages, different dialects, differentstories, all at the young age of
eleven twelve years old, living inrefugee camps, never knowing when the next
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filment is that they had to movealong. This is a story out of
a Hollywood movie, out of aHollywood script, and we have the true
story here with my co host TonyFrost and Anthony is easy Ellie Soja with
part two here, it's gonna bringit home. We appreciate you being here
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and we're gonna so I am theonly person in my family name Shojo,
the name that was the name.I think that's my dad's life. That's
why you're here, and then whenI became a citizen, I changed it
to shoji, shortened it to showjobecause Shoja means brave and I like it.
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Um, it's funny. Every oncein a while someone will find me
on LinkedIn or Facebook and says,hey, I think we're cousins, and
it'll be like some Bob Shoja andI'm like, no, we're not,
because there's nobody in my family namedShoja but me probably like an American Indian
or something jo. So, sothen you ended up coming from the States
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and and she's been here ever since. But wait, wait a minute,
I didn't get how you got soso when she got the green card,
you guys got and then you camestraight to two years came. Mom had
to cover all her bases for twoyears try to get him out of the
country because she had a record becauseher other family used her idea. Do
you remember any of the fake namesyou had to use during the time,
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because you guys had some fake nightnames. Yeah. The the main one
that we used in Germany was Baharami, our last name Baharami. Okay,
and um, it's a good name. It's still like la. Did you
ever have because I see movies wherelike there's a comment with the kids,
did you guys just used to haveto rehearse? Like, Okay, I
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go to school here, I camefrom this place. This is how old
I am. This is like didyou have to practice stuff or they would
just tell you this is what weare and you'd have to remember it,
like you have to remember stories.Yeah, that's such a good question.
I don't know if there were likestories as much as you just don't talk
about you know that us, don'tyou just don't you just keep your mouth
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shut. And I remember when weended up in when we were in Germany
and we were in refugee camps.My dad had to talk with me and
and he said, you cannot talkTurkish And I said, but that's the
only language I really know. Andhe said, you can't talk Turkish because
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you have never been to Turkey.And I said, so you want me
to lie? And he said,no, it is only a lie if
it's not a lie, if youactually believe it. You know, I
saw Ted talk you did, soyou give this speech. I'm gonna really
it was amazing. I watched theit was you know, they're eighteen minutes.
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It was awesome. You were sogood, so good, And because
I watched a lot of those TEDtalks because I want to give those one
day. But I watched that youcompared a lot of other people very free,
like you were very chrismatic. Andespecially it was awesome because you found
that thing to get a room.That is very important in a speech is
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she did this thing where she said, everybody, hold up their hands,
pull out your cell phone. Nowhold in your right hand, hold up
your left hand, and then fastforward. And basically what she had everyone
to do is, without them knowing, has passed their phone to the person
next to him and then said,hey, everybody put their phones away,
and then everybody was engaged. Nowit was awesome, but what she was
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she was proving is that people,we are so we are so connected,
we're so Our phone is one exampleof I am who I am because of
my phone. Look Anthony's phone sittingout right in front of him right now,
and every time it flashes. Iwatched he looks at it like I
don't always look at it. It'sflashed numerous times. I just saw.
Because I can we get on themic when you say that I don't know
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because because I was here, Ijust happened to be here. So I
see it light up, but I'mnot checking it. You didn't see me
pick it up and check it,did you? But you're looking, did
you so? But the point isis that we're so it has nothing to
do it just with cell phones.That's do with everything we're so connected to,
all right, creating our identity offstuff that's not important. And it
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reminded me of the quote that weheard his kids, it's so stupid.
The man who dies with the mosttoys wins. Do you remember that,
ye quo, no, I haveremember that us that from a big well
supposed when Forbes came out with it, Forbes, you know Forbes magazine,
the Forbes The man who does themost toys wins. That used to I
grew up being told that in theeighties, and I was basically was saying,
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hey, accumulate the most wealth andthe most things, and you're gonna
win. You're those who have themost you been in life? That was
that was probably more. Yeah,I heard that American when you when I
watched your speech because reading this Metahuman by Deepak and listen to your speech
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and I've been really learning this asof lately about how to detach from stuff.
I've always been like that, I'mnot a superficial, um materialistic person,
but this really has been teaching memore about it. And that that
quotes I remember that was instilled usas Americans. That's why we are the
way we are as Americans. Hustle, hustle, hustle, more and more
more fast, fast, fast,And that's our problem with society right now.
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I mean, after nine to elevenGeorge w went on national television and
said, go buy stuff because becausewe're consumerist society America. So well,
again we're talking about you. Soyou gave this speech in regard the phone.
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Reason I told the phone thing thatyou did and him looking on his
phone is because that's another thing thatwe're so our identity is based off that
phone. Like, So what wasgreat in that speech is you ask people.
You said, so, how manyof you right now are like thinking
I'm missing my phone? Or ifthe person next to me the house my
phone walked out, what would Ido? Or And then you said for
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those of you who aren't thinking aboutit, congratulations, it's not that important
to you. But we as society. This all goes back to Tony's thing
about having to it's it's identity basedoff things instead of just being present and
being who we are, which iswhat most people forget because in the end,
you don't take these toys with youto death. We all go the
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same way. We go with nothing. And as Americans, we were taught
accumulate the most stuff, and you'remore successful, and especially with like social
media now and Instagram showing everybody,well, look what I have, I
irbbs, do you have this?Do you have this car? Do you
have this beauty? Do you havethese clothes? And it makes everybody else
feel inferior. But yeah, butbut so few people are trained to not
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let it, especially our youth,our kids. They don't know you.
You're trying your best, and let'shope that they keep doing it. Yeah,
they're trying my best. I dothe same with my daughter. But
once they're out of our hands andthey're on their own, let's hope that
they do that. So Ellie gavethe speech basically off you know you you
(08:31):
talked about tell us a little aboutyou were talking about freedom they're about and
it's not freedom. You're not ina prison, a building. Prison.
Yeah, it's internal, it's aninn. So tell us about this.
Yeah, I mean, identity issuch an interesting thing, right, Like
I think language also has a lotto do with identity. And the English
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language, we say I am sad, I am angry, I am upset,
you know, so we make thatemotion that is present part of our
identity a part of the I amnest. Yes, in Spanish you don't
do that. You say I havesadness right in the language, and I
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think is more accurately represents what actuallyis happening, because if you have sadness
in this moment, you can alsonot have sadness in a different moment.
You also, doesn't your verb alsochange when it's something transient, you know,
when something gets in a place,Um, you use esta instead of
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s Yeah right, yeah, exactlyright, So so you differentiate between things
that are transient like emotions. Andyou know, the the greatest thing right
now talking to you is you're tellinga Mexican guy what it is in his
language. You're talking English, butyou're Persian, you know, Tish.
(09:58):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, itdoes not matter at this point. No,
but so she is literally when Ifirst met her that we've only known
each other a month and a half, a month or in a month and
a half, And the minute Imet you, I was like, remember,
we connected instantly total and she isto having gone through what she's gone
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through and to be one of themost grounded calm you know, obviously we're
humans. We all deal with ourstuff beyond closed doors. But to have
your indifference to all the stuff comingat us every day is a testament to
the work you've done for yourself.So let's listen to what she had to
continue when she said had to saybecause there was something also said that I
agree. And when you see someone, then you meet someone that's found that
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freedom, they've discovered it. Yeah, there's a light and a magnetism that
we don't physically see what you're drawnto it. They have a charisma,
they have a calmness and a relaxedthere they know I get it. I
get what it's like to be freeinside. And when you see that,
you're like, you're drawn to it, and people drawn to it and they
don't know what it is, butit's because that person discovered and it's it's
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it's proves your point about working towardsthat freedom, And what is just something
you could tell everybody listening, whatis your basically your focal point as getting
to that place as far as findingyour own personal freedom. Oh my gosh,
that's a big question. Yeah,it's a good one too. Yeah,
it's a really good question. It'sa really big yeah. So it's
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it's not identifying with things that aretransient as your identity. You know,
a lot of times we mistake ouridentity for our thoughts, our emotions,
our actions, and our words forthings that literally shift from one moment to
the next on every subject. Right, how you feel on any subject can
change from one moment to the next. You can be excited about it and
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then dreaded the next moment. Right, So, when when my identity then
is attached to my emotions, whenit's attached to what I happen to be
thinking about this in this moment,when it's attached to what I said to
someone, or when it's attached towhat I did or what I'm doing,
or material things or material things likeI am their tesla right now. So
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then when that thing is no longerthere, it's like you're you're building a
house on sand, or on awave, it's gonna fall apart. Right.
Your house cannot be built on somethingthat's constantly shifting. Yes, but
what then are you if you're notthose things? Yeah, you are.
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You got to go deeper, right, You got to go deeper into a
place that is that doesn't change.And the thing about all of us that
doesn't change is is what we are, which is the consciousness experiencing those things.
I'm glad you said that because beingbuilt, because what we're told is
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people is that we should always beable to shift and change and be like
water. Yeah, and be ableto shift with the times, stay the
same. Yeah. Absolutely. Butbut you're saying is that there is something
in all of us even though weshift and change, that is the same.
And that's the one thing you needto concentrate on. Yeah. Um,
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if you are water, you arewater, which means you you move
in different ways depending on what's infront of you. But you are the
ocean, right, you are thewater itself. And I think if your
identity is then is not limited bythose things, then those things can change
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with time. You can't. Youbecome teachable, you know, you become
evolvable, You become expandable. Andthe thing is that we're getting worse is
a society like we're talking about again. The reason run with the phone is
you talk about that in your speech, and I agree with that. One
is the smartphone thing. It's theepitome of I am. It's it's selfies,
it's filters, it's snapchats, it'sTikTok's, it's all these freaking emojis
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we put on ourselves. And andyou're sending this out and your create your
your people are starting to believe thatthat's what they are, an avatar,
like we're creating you create an avatar. Everyone knows what an avocatar is.
It's the little cartoon. It's themovie. It's okay, no, so
an avatars. You can you canchoose your own little looking cartoon and you
can start to send that. Whenpeople see your face come in, it
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looks like a cartoon of you,not you. So people are identifying with
all this superficial stuff, and it'sgetting worse. And you said it,
it's it's our consciousness. I knowthis is a very deep discussion for everybody
listening, so you can learn somuch more exactly. But she's onto something
that everybody should follow. Again,it's funny that you're saying this because that
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Again, I'm gonna say one moretime that the book Met a Human by
Deepak Chopra, it talks about thisexactly to a point. Have you ever
Have you read it? You shouldread it because it's exactly this. It's
it's about consciousness. And when hebreaks it down, and when you break
it down, people are gonna understandexactly what we're talking about and how attached
we are to these things, andhow it means nothing, and how the
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quote I use at the beginning,none of it matters. The man who
dies of the most toys wins becauseat the end, all you have in
your last moments is your consciousness.In your last moments in this world,
the only thing that's there is yourconsciousness and then it's gone. So well,
yeah, well your soul, whichis intangible consciousness, is something that
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you're presently with. You can beconscious of this. But the different topic
because there's different people. There's peopleare in different sides of the fence on
the soul. Is there one?Is there not one? Yeah? You
know, that's theer we're talking about. While you're a lot while you're present
here, your consciousness unless you haveAlzheimer's, you know. Yeah, but
even you still have a consciousness.It's still there. It's just it's what
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you what you're able to access,and that point it's now. She talked.
Now let me ask you. Shewrote a book called The Thirteenth Planet.
Now, give a quick thing.This is a quick snops is real
quick two lines. When Esha,guardian representative Fabadan, the first planet to
awaken, uncovers the conspiracy to destroyEarth, the very planet she was sent
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to protect, she is forced tochoose between loyalty to her own kind and
saving a planet whose demise might actuallysave the universe. Now, when you
say awakened, does that mean awakenthe consciousness? Does that mean what we're
talking about here? Yeah, So, in in the storyline the Thirteenth Planet,
planets do this thing called awakening.It's part of the evolutionary process of
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the planets. It's a little bitdifferent than what we think of awakening.
And this world. Planets have consciousness. The consciousness belongs to the planet.
The planet is thinking, it hasmemory, and the entire purpose of evolution
on a planet is to create essentientbeing that can then link back sync back
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to the to the consciousness of thatplanet. So on Earth, for instance,
it would be humans. And whenthat sentient being is evolved enough to
be able to receive and understand andprocess the thoughts of the planet, it
starts going through the process of awakening, which is the species becomes awake to
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the thoughts of the planet. Soand when that happens, the planet.
So I love that book, butwith a storytelling aspect to it and actually
a message kind of a spiritual yeah, message to it. The spiritual book
disguise does a sci fi novel.So I don't love that. I don't
want to rule all that and Idon't know. But from what you're saying,
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I didn't read the book. Yeah. When a planet becomes knowledgeable,
uh, and it connect to theuniverse, when the rest of the universe
can see it, is when itbecomes a star. Um. So when
planets finally real life come conscious enough, the people or on this planet,
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of course, humans become that levelof consciousness for the rest of the universe
to know that this planet has receivedtotal consciousness. It explodes that you just
gave away the ending of my Really, I had never read it. But
maybe you watched should we should sayspoiler alert beginning of that comment, I
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did say it. I did sayit on your She just is a good
describer on your Instagram live, didn'tshe recently like read a chapter day to
people. I've been reading a chapterday on my Instagram Live. So for
there's thirty nine chapters for forty days. Oh nice, and yeah on chapter
twenty three right now? Oh good, good? So they can later.
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Yes, now it's an audio bookbecause you just did the audio. It's
very much. It's so funny.I don't even know how to work I
GTV tap. You guys are like, oh, he's a touch to his
phone. I don't know even how. Shit, I don't even know how
to copy and paste. Man,what the hell are you talking about?
When you said avatar? I thoughtthe movie took car and I didn't want
to admit it to look like anidiot. That's why. That's why did
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you know, Ellie Solja? Butthat's why I just made it immediately said
for those of you don't know,you know how people will send you like
a little carts. I know whatit is, but I mean I thought
I was thinking a little blue bluebut aliens running around with James camer No,
No, that term, that termcame out before the movie Avatar has
been around. It's a gamer,it starts. It's a gamer thing.
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You know, what's your avatar?It's what you look like, what you've
created. Like your boys would knowwhat an avatar was. Of course,
this is what their creator, whatthey created their character. Now or I
guess he was really moved by thatdiscussion on the So so so you the
Thirteenth Planet. Now, I sawthis Indian proverb that kind of reminded me
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again. I got on these likequotes because I saw the one I said
earlier. This one kind of relatedto hit me. Of all of them
and says, who is blind,he who can see no other world?
Who was dumb? He who cansay nothing pleasant about his lot? Who
is poor? He who is troubledwith too many desires? Who is rich?
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He who is happy with his lot? And so that kind of all
tied in when we were just talkingabout is and it's it's getting me,
and that's that's that's why I dothis show, is to try I'm trying
to do my little part to helpthe world be better. And we just
released an episode recently, like we'retalking about earlier about social media, the
most annoying things will do. Butin the end, I couldn't say the
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most toxic. Yes, I couldn'tsay the most toxic horrible things people do
because people wouldn't listen. So Isaid the annoying things. But it's actually
things that are taking us the wrongdirection, that people are getting so sucked
into that are not good for usas human beings. We didn't used to
resonate on that level. We didn'tused to function at that level. And
so the fact that we're falling fallingmore into the people are age that are
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around the forty age don't have toworry about that because we've kind of just
got out in time. It's likethe building's exploding and we just jumped out
as it exploded. But our youth, the millennials, our kids are the
ones in the middle of this.There's so much influence, as you know,
Anthony, with your teenage boys thatthey're getting from video games and social
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media that's making them feel that theyare only what they have in their life,
only what they have or what theyis so shape with And so I'm
gonna leave it at that. Becauseyou founded something called peace Unleashed. Now
what I saw was something that beganas a personal healing journey turned into an
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eighteen year deep dive into various modalitiesof psychology, philosophy, spirituality. Now
you founded it, you co foundedit with kneel, right, or you
did it? Yeah? Do youguys together and you m in order to
share the inner peace strategies, toolsand processes that help her become one of
the most grounded and peaceful people livingtoday, which I already said about her.
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Now, as you guys have alreadyheard so far, she's got incredible
philosophies and we only are scratching thesurface. You guys need to look her
up more and find more. Butthis is why she's here. But what
I want to know is I seeso many people now that claim that they're
self help healers. You know,they're they're they're they're they're here to help
(22:55):
people with their lives. What isit about you? Do you think that
is gonna set you apart? Whypeople need to come to you and look
at what you're doing? Because nowevery day I have friends. Every day
I'm a life coach now, ohmy god, every day too yeah,
every day. Yeah, And I'mlike, your fucking life's a mess.
It's not what life life for yourcoach? Ye exactly, fucking guys on
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the ground snorting cocaine and finding kemble. He's like, hey, dude,
I just came up with this.I'm a life coach, dude, and
I said, Jesus, this iswhere we've gone through. You know,
so fucking delusional from doing meth.He doesn't even realize exactly. Thank you.
That's so funny you said that.I have every one of my friends.
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It's like online is like, comeconsult. I said, you get
your degree, fucking life coach.They said, the serfication? What the
certification is life? You know who'sgot life coach? A homeless guy that's
made it out of the out ofthe fucking homeless pits, who doesn't have
a degree, Because what the fuckis a life coach? Thank you?
And so the parents l X isa life coach, Simmons. This is
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because some of these, some ofthese friends I have that say their life
coach, they've literally had everything handedto them on the subver plat of the
whole life. They haven't experienced anytrauma like that's out normal, and they
went to school and I'm a lifecoach. Oh my god, But that's
what I love about. You're alife coaching comes from experience. Forget the
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college, forget the school, forgetthe certification you come from. I always
say college is cool, it's itmakes you book smart. But nothing's better
than being life smart, street smart, experiencing it, getting your hands dirty,
bleeding, sweating, crying, feelingit. No book can teach you
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that. Yeah, so you're comingfrom a place. Forget the certification.
So I want you to tell peopleright here, right now, why should
people come to you other than thehundred I every day I get I get
emails from all these life coaches allthe time. Hey, the daily this
thing or this meditation. And it'scool, it's fine for all those people
to do. Yeah, I agreewith that, but it's saturated. Yeah.
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So again I want them to knowbecause the listeners, what is it?
Why do they need to come toyou. Well, that's a tough
question to answer because I'm not actuallysure they should come to me. You
know, you're not claiming you're alife coach. I'm not. I don't
I mean to learn about all thisthat we've talked about if not a life
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coach, You're right. Thank youfor saying she's not a life coach,
right, but she's here to helpyou about finding your better path, your
better journey. Like I'm glad shedoesn't call herself a life coach or a
psychic. Those are setups for people, you know what I mean. And
you can't say that. But letme ask you this, what if you're
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trying to connect with somebody. Imean, I gotta tell you something.
I almost did a social experiment,yeah, but then I thought it's going
to turn into a fucking nightmare.I was gonna have my friend following with
a camera for a couple of weeksthroughout different parts of the country, like
a road trip, having me sayhello to people like really, chipper,
hey, how are you certain?Nice to see you from every different race,
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ethnicity, gender at all, Andsee who says high back and how
they say it, and how manypeople just shut the door look at me
like I'm crazy the problem people's doings. No, no on the street,
yeah, because I'm walking out everyday grateful to be alive, and I
do that. I can't tell youhow many people I see just look at
(26:37):
me like I'm crazy. Well Idon't know, or they're skeptical, like
right now if I say well,it just depends also your ethnicity or there's
a lot of suspicion. I noticedthat with Asians because I live near Kytown.
I say hello, how are youin? Some Asians look at me
like they think because they're scared.I say hello to African Americans and some
are very like, how are youstart? Just blow me off? Look
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at me. Those are just lookingat the camera right now because it was
a person, and say, tellme, how would you if that was
a person on the street, howwould you say? Hello? How are
you to the camera? Just bewalking? Are you crazy asking that question?
I want, I want to makea point. Let's see, hey,
how are you? Nice to seeyou? Okay, So I'm gonna
look at you right now and Iknow you. But we are as a
society or even as a world,used to someone being like that, like
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you actually look crazy. I lookcrazy for saying hello, how you are
crazy? Are you kidding me toso genuine we are right now? Yeah,
but it's so genuine. What areyou talking? Okay? Because it's
coming from a genuine place, can'tcrazy? But people will looking at their
phone. They would trust what theirphone say over what someone like I said,
(27:45):
I don't blame, like I understandwhere it's coming from, but I'm
trying to stay on your path ofthinking and saying, oh we connect them.
So many people don't want to connect. You find the people that you
want. But if it's you know, like I said said, I don't
blame. I understand why an AfricanAmerican right now would look at me when
I'm like, hey, what's goingon? Look at me like what do
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you want from me? Like whatis it that you're trying to do?
Are you just trying to be extranice to me because one of my brethren
just got shot and killed or whatevertheir suspicion is. I understand it.
But shit, I'm coming from avery kind of or an Asian American who
who maybe whose family was beat upand I have for Asian friends who's so
I feel for them, Like I'mlike, I understand your pain, but
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here I am trying to connect withyou because I truly do love you.
But does that mean they don't wantto connect? Doesn't mean that we've been
conditioned that not to connect. We'reso conditioned, especially in the city like
La. Like I'll go on ahike here in La and I'll look at
people and smile, and people willbe Yeah, they don't smile. That's
crazy. But I think you can'ttake that's crazy. But I think you
can't take any of that personally.I don't agree with you. I think
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you have to tell you why becausethose same people I don't know, but
I'm going to talk about general,will be the same people whoever is not
happy or complaining that they're that theworld is not fair to them or fair
to the situation, or you're tryingto connect with them to be part of
that that thing. I don't careif you're it's not had nothing to do
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with raise social but you're just like, hey, man, what's going on?
That same person could be the personwho's complaining about how fucked up the
world is but they're not doing theirpart to make the world a better place.
But why so why would you takeit? Person? Because then shut
then they should shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying. No,
Because because they're they're they're spouting theirmouth online. I guarantee you they're
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they're the ones who are like goingonline and and and texting, all this
negative stuff that's on people online arenot going to say that to you in
your face that you can't take oneverything online. You gotta take with more
than one grain the salt that probablyit's all. It's all again, it's
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it's it's so so conditioning. It'slocation, because like I said, I'll
hike here and try to look peoplenigh and knowing unfriendly. If I go
up north northern California where I'm from, in a hike, same state,
every single person is like, hey, how are you doing? But that's
that's that's why I said, youneed to go to different parts of the
exactly I was gonna be fair.I was gonna be fair in my in
my docute little series is like,go to different parts of the country and
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see who and and maybe we'll besurprised at to who's really open. That's
a great idea because because I'm abrown guy, trust me, if a
certain parts I got to go toWyoming and I might get shot out.
You're done, you know, butmaybe not. That's what I'm trying to
say is part of this social experiment. You know. I feel like I
would be surprised if I went thereand I was like, good morning,
how you doing. They might belike, how are you doing? Brother?
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Matter what, that might be thelast hello you say to somebody.
I was in Wyoming last year twentytwenty, Me and my brother were driving
through Wyoming. My dad called.We were like, we're going through Wyoming,
Wyoming to northern Aron to get toChicago. He goes, why oh
me Wyoming Wyoming, Like he wasfreaking out. Yeah, you're in Wyoming.
You better watch out. So atthe meantime, like we're driving through
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Wyoming, nothing happens, right,So twenty twenty, everyone's got to wear
a mask. So you got twoblack guys walk into a liquor store in
Wyoming with masks on, right okay, and everyone there was like, hey,
how are you doing? How howare you? Is there? Everything
okay? Bah blah. And itwas fine. But if it was twenty
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nineteen June, black dudes walk intoa store of liquor story in Wyoming with
a mask on, you think it, No questions, zero questions, blow
blow blow You're done? Really,you think so? Oh, without a
doubt. Twenty twenty has changed alot of things. I like that idea,
you should do that accident. Ilike that idea. That's a great
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documentary accident, and then you canelaborate on it. His plenty his ideas
though, because like probably about tenor fifteen years ago, we were desperate
for good press, himanized actors liketo get more numbers, and he came
with this this idea. He said, we need to have someone to film
us, like out in public somewhere, and we get in this huge fight
and we just start yelling each otherin public and fighting each other. He
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said, we'll be all over TMZexactly like he wanted us to act beat
each other up. And because Ican't get a fucking job just being me,
you know what, He's not auditioning, an't working, so I might
as well, you know, startup and then making some racial shit like
go after you like for you beingmixing you off the Middle Eastern, you
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know what I mean? Hey,so, oh your phone's ringing, just
look down at it. But that'smy agent and I'm still not going to
pick it up. Not an agentcan wait, that's right. And Israeli
and Iranian are sitting under a tree. A caterpillar falls on the Israeli who
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looks at it and discussed and flipit into the Iranian. The Iranian pops
it into his mouth and eats itwithout a second glance. A few minutes
later, another caterpillar lands on Israeli. Israeli turns to the Iranian says,
would you like to buy a caterpillar? Damn? Whoa? I mean,
you don't like that one. You'renever getting hired that the Internet. That's
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all I had to choose from thething is, there are so many amazing
Persian jokes. There are so manyPersians. There's some great Persian comics.
Now I got some a few proverbs, and then we're gonna close it out.
So the rich man makes mistakes andthe poor man get the blame.
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That's a Romanian proverb. Um.When here's a Turkish proverb. When a
rich man fails, they say itwas an accident. When a poor man
fails, they say that he wasdrunk or lazy. Same thing. Yeah,
here's a Moroccan proverb. If arich man steals, it is a
mistake. If a poor man makesa mistake, he is stolen. And
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finally, this one, this kindof summarizes these this whole episodes. Why
I left it for last It's aChinese proverb. A satisfied man is happy
even if he is poor. Adissatisfied man is sad even if he is
rich. And that's what this isabout. That's what everyone needs to take
with him. There you go.So that's it. That's Ellie. So
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Joe Roll called the podcast this podcastto Coca Seras with Anthony is uzy?
Tell me tell me? He says, say, hey, how are you
hey? See you look at him? Though, when he says that this,
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I'd be like I would tell mydaughter, what are you talking about?
My kid? The other day?My kids said that I you can't
say hid the little kids don't saya cute little kid? I said,
I don't give a shit. Whatare you talking about? My dad?
Is a com attrition? I canand I will. I told your kids
are very cute. He didn't touchyou in the face. You never know.
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The crazy said thank you, sadthat today, and he went home
and told his wife. I literallywalked past the guy who's supposed to be
uh with the state. He's supposedto tell the stake. They can say
what they wanted. It's both persons. I like he was comedian, Yeah
exactly. He needs to be wearinga scarlet letter and that Tony, Yeah,
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yeah, this is one of thegreatest guests. I gotta say so
spiritual, I get so thank youEllie for continuing your journey and what you're
gonna be do in the future.Thanks Tony for saying that. I really
appreciate that. And it's easy thanksto being a brother to shit it.
We love everybody, our fans,friends, listeners, continue to stay with
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us. We're gonna help. We'regonna entertain you. We're gonna make you
laugh, we're gonna make you cry. We're gonna continue to hopefully open your
eyes to new things you've never experienced. Stop good, Thank you,
Ladies and gentlemen, please take yourseats. The show is a bound to
be gift. Welcome back to RollCall the podcast. This is America's podcaster
(00:22):
Kurt Kassaras and there's a reason you'rejoining us today. This is part two
with my guest, Elie Soja,and if you join us to part one,
you heard her incredible life living asa child with a father who was
(00:43):
an international con man, running andfleeing from country to country, city to
city, village to village. Differentidentifications, different personalities, different backgrounds,
different languages, different dialects, differentstories, all at the young age of
eleven twelve years old, living inrefugee camps, never knowing when the next
(01:11):
filment is that they had to movealong. This is a story out of
a Hollywood movie, out of aHollywood script, and we have the true
story here with my co host TonyFrost and Anthony is easy Ellie Soja with
part two here, it's gonna bringit home. We appreciate you being here
(01:32):
and we're gonna so I am theonly person in my family name Shojo,
the name that was the name.I think that's my dad's life. That's
why you're here, and then whenI became a citizen, I changed it
to shoji, shortened it to showjobecause Shoja means brave and I like it.
(01:53):
Um, it's funny. Every oncein a while someone will find me
on LinkedIn or Facebook and says,hey, I think we're cousins, and
it'll be like some Bob Shoja andI'm like, no, we're not,
because there's nobody in my family namedShoja but me probably like an American Indian
or something jo. So, sothen you ended up coming from the States
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and and she's been here ever since. But wait, wait a minute,
I didn't get how you got soso when she got the green card,
you guys got and then you camestraight to two years came. Mom had
to cover all her bases for twoyears try to get him out of the
country because she had a record becauseher other family used her idea. Do
you remember any of the fake namesyou had to use during the time,
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because you guys had some fake nightnames. Yeah. The the main one
that we used in Germany was Baharami, our last name Baharami. Okay,
and um, it's a good name. It's still like la. Did you
ever have because I see movies wherelike there's a comment with the kids,
did you guys just used to haveto rehearse? Like, Okay, I
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go to school here, I camefrom this place. This is how old
I am. This is like didyou have to practice stuff or they would
just tell you this is what weare and you'd have to remember it,
like you have to remember stories.Yeah, that's such a good question.
I don't know if there were likestories as much as you just don't talk
about you know that us, don'tyou just don't you just keep your mouth
(03:23):
shut. And I remember when weended up in when we were in Germany
and we were in refugee camps.My dad had to talk with me and
and he said, you cannot talkTurkish And I said, but that's the
only language I really know. Andhe said, you can't talk Turkish because
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you have never been to Turkey.And I said, so you want me
to lie? And he said,no, it is only a lie if
it's not a lie, if youactually believe it. You know, I
saw Ted talk you did, soyou give this speech. I'm gonna really
it was amazing. I watched theit was you know, they're eighteen minutes.
(04:04):
It was awesome. You were sogood, so good, And because
I watched a lot of those TEDtalks because I want to give those one
day. But I watched that youcompared a lot of other people very free,
like you were very chrismatic. Andespecially it was awesome because you found
that thing to get a room.That is very important in a speech is
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she did this thing where she said, everybody, hold up their hands,
pull out your cell phone. Nowhold in your right hand, hold up
your left hand, and then fastforward. And basically what she had everyone
to do is, without them knowing, has passed their phone to the person
next to him and then said,hey, everybody put their phones away,
and then everybody was engaged. Nowit was awesome, but what she was
(04:46):
she was proving is that people,we are so we are so connected,
we're so Our phone is one exampleof I am who I am because of
my phone. Look Anthony's phone sittingout right in front of him right now,
and every time it flashes. Iwatched he looks at it like I
don't always look at it. It'sflashed numerous times. I just saw.
Because I can we get on themic when you say that I don't know
(05:09):
because because I was here, Ijust happened to be here. So I
see it light up, but I'mnot checking it. You didn't see me
pick it up and check it,did you? But you're looking, did
you so? But the point isis that we're so it has nothing to
do it just with cell phones.That's do with everything we're so connected to,
all right, creating our identity offstuff that's not important. And it
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reminded me of the quote that weheard his kids, it's so stupid.
The man who dies with the mosttoys wins. Do you remember that,
ye quo, no, I haveremember that us that from a big well
supposed when Forbes came out with it, Forbes, you know Forbes magazine,
the Forbes The man who does themost toys wins. That used to I
grew up being told that in theeighties, and I was basically was saying,
(05:54):
hey, accumulate the most wealth andthe most things, and you're gonna
win. You're those who have themost you been in life? That was
that was probably more. Yeah,I heard that American when you when I
watched your speech because reading this Metahuman by Deepak and listen to your speech
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and I've been really learning this asof lately about how to detach from stuff.
I've always been like that, I'mnot a superficial, um materialistic person,
but this really has been teaching memore about it. And that that
quotes I remember that was instilled usas Americans. That's why we are the
way we are as Americans. Hustle, hustle, hustle, more and more
more fast, fast, fast,And that's our problem with society right now.
(06:40):
I mean, after nine to elevenGeorge w went on national television and
said, go buy stuff because becausewe're consumerist society America. So well,
again we're talking about you. Soyou gave this speech in regard the phone.
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Reason I told the phone thing thatyou did and him looking on his
phone is because that's another thing thatwe're so our identity is based off that
phone. Like, So what wasgreat in that speech is you ask people.
You said, so, how manyof you right now are like thinking
I'm missing my phone? Or ifthe person next to me the house my
phone walked out, what would Ido? Or And then you said for
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those of you who aren't thinking aboutit, congratulations, it's not that important
to you. But we as society. This all goes back to Tony's thing
about having to it's it's identity basedoff things instead of just being present and
being who we are, which iswhat most people forget because in the end,
you don't take these toys with youto death. We all go the
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same way. We go with nothing. And as Americans, we were taught
accumulate the most stuff, and you'remore successful, and especially with like social
media now and Instagram showing everybody,well, look what I have, I
irbbs, do you have this?Do you have this car? Do you
have this beauty? Do you havethese clothes? And it makes everybody else
feel inferior. But yeah, butbut so few people are trained to not
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let it, especially our youth,our kids. They don't know you.
You're trying your best, and let'shope that they keep doing it. Yeah,
they're trying my best. I dothe same with my daughter. But
once they're out of our hands andthey're on their own, let's hope that
they do that. So Ellie gavethe speech basically off you know you you
(08:31):
talked about tell us a little aboutyou were talking about freedom they're about and
it's not freedom. You're not ina prison, a building. Prison.
Yeah, it's internal, it's aninn. So tell us about this.
Yeah, I mean, identity issuch an interesting thing, right, Like
I think language also has a lotto do with identity. And the English
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language, we say I am sad, I am angry, I am upset,
you know, so we make thatemotion that is present part of our
identity a part of the I amnest. Yes, in Spanish you don't
do that. You say I havesadness right in the language, and I
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think is more accurately represents what actuallyis happening, because if you have sadness
in this moment, you can alsonot have sadness in a different moment.
You also, doesn't your verb alsochange when it's something transient, you know,
when something gets in a place,Um, you use esta instead of
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s Yeah right, yeah, exactlyright, So so you differentiate between things
that are transient like emotions. Andyou know, the the greatest thing right
now talking to you is you're tellinga Mexican guy what it is in his
language. You're talking English, butyou're Persian, you know, Tish.
(09:58):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, itdoes not matter at this point. No,
but so she is literally when Ifirst met her that we've only known
each other a month and a half, a month or in a month and
a half, And the minute Imet you, I was like, remember,
we connected instantly total and she isto having gone through what she's gone
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through and to be one of themost grounded calm you know, obviously we're
humans. We all deal with ourstuff beyond closed doors. But to have
your indifference to all the stuff comingat us every day is a testament to
the work you've done for yourself.So let's listen to what she had to
continue when she said had to saybecause there was something also said that I
agree. And when you see someone, then you meet someone that's found that
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freedom, they've discovered it. Yeah, there's a light and a magnetism that
we don't physically see what you're drawnto it. They have a charisma,
they have a calmness and a relaxedthere they know I get it. I
get what it's like to be freeinside. And when you see that,
you're like, you're drawn to it, and people drawn to it and they
don't know what it is, butit's because that person discovered and it's it's
(11:07):
it's proves your point about working towardsthat freedom, And what is just something
you could tell everybody listening, whatis your basically your focal point as getting
to that place as far as findingyour own personal freedom. Oh my gosh,
that's a big question. Yeah,it's a good one too. Yeah,
it's a really good question. It'sa really big yeah. So it's
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it's not identifying with things that aretransient as your identity. You know,
a lot of times we mistake ouridentity for our thoughts, our emotions,
our actions, and our words forthings that literally shift from one moment to
the next on every subject. Right, how you feel on any subject can
change from one moment to the next. You can be excited about it and
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then dreaded the next moment. Right, So, when when my identity then
is attached to my emotions, whenit's attached to what I happen to be
thinking about this in this moment,when it's attached to what I said to
someone, or when it's attached towhat I did or what I'm doing,
or material things or material things likeI am their tesla right now. So
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then when that thing is no longerthere, it's like you're you're building a
house on sand, or on awave, it's gonna fall apart. Right.
Your house cannot be built on somethingthat's constantly shifting. Yes, but
what then are you if you're notthose things? Yeah, you are.
(12:37):
You got to go deeper, right, You got to go deeper into a
place that is that doesn't change.And the thing about all of us that
doesn't change is is what we are, which is the consciousness experiencing those things.
I'm glad you said that because beingbuilt, because what we're told is
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people is that we should always beable to shift and change and be like
water. Yeah, and be ableto shift with the times, stay the
same. Yeah. Absolutely. Butbut you're saying is that there is something
in all of us even though weshift and change, that is the same.
And that's the one thing you needto concentrate on. Yeah. Um,
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if you are water, you arewater, which means you you move
in different ways depending on what's infront of you. But you are the
ocean, right, you are thewater itself. And I think if your
identity is then is not limited bythose things, then those things can change
(13:43):
with time. You can't. Youbecome teachable, you know, you become
evolvable, You become expandable. Andthe thing is that we're getting worse is
a society like we're talking about again. The reason run with the phone is
you talk about that in your speech, and I agree with that. One
is the smartphone thing. It's theepitome of I am. It's it's selfies,
it's filters, it's snapchats, it'sTikTok's, it's all these freaking emojis
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we put on ourselves. And andyou're sending this out and your create your
your people are starting to believe thatthat's what they are, an avatar,
like we're creating you create an avatar. Everyone knows what an avocatar is.
It's the little cartoon. It's themovie. It's okay, no, so
an avatars. You can you canchoose your own little looking cartoon and you
can start to send that. Whenpeople see your face come in, it
(14:26):
looks like a cartoon of you,not you. So people are identifying with
all this superficial stuff, and it'sgetting worse. And you said it,
it's it's our consciousness. I knowthis is a very deep discussion for everybody
listening, so you can learn somuch more exactly. But she's onto something
that everybody should follow. Again,it's funny that you're saying this because that
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Again, I'm gonna say one moretime that the book Met a Human by
Deepak Chopra, it talks about thisexactly to a point. Have you ever
Have you read it? You shouldread it because it's exactly this. It's
it's about consciousness. And when hebreaks it down, and when you break
it down, people are gonna understandexactly what we're talking about and how attached
we are to these things, andhow it means nothing, and how the
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quote I use at the beginning,none of it matters. The man who
dies of the most toys wins becauseat the end, all you have in
your last moments is your consciousness.In your last moments in this world,
the only thing that's there is yourconsciousness and then it's gone. So well,
yeah, well your soul, whichis intangible consciousness, is something that
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you're presently with. You can beconscious of this. But the different topic
because there's different people. There's peopleare in different sides of the fence on
the soul. Is there one?Is there not one? Yeah? You
know, that's theer we're talking about. While you're a lot while you're present
here, your consciousness unless you haveAlzheimer's, you know. Yeah, but
even you still have a consciousness.It's still there. It's just it's what
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you what you're able to access,and that point it's now. She talked.
Now let me ask you. Shewrote a book called The Thirteenth Planet.
Now, give a quick thing.This is a quick snops is real
quick two lines. When Esha,guardian representative Fabadan, the first planet to
awaken, uncovers the conspiracy to destroyEarth, the very planet she was sent
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to protect, she is forced tochoose between loyalty to her own kind and
saving a planet whose demise might actuallysave the universe. Now, when you
say awakened, does that mean awakenthe consciousness? Does that mean what we're
talking about here? Yeah, So, in in the storyline the Thirteenth Planet,
planets do this thing called awakening.It's part of the evolutionary process of
(16:45):
the planets. It's a little bitdifferent than what we think of awakening.
And this world. Planets have consciousness. The consciousness belongs to the planet.
The planet is thinking, it hasmemory, and the entire purpose of evolution
on a planet is to create essentientbeing that can then link back sync back
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to the to the consciousness of thatplanet. So on Earth, for instance,
it would be humans. And whenthat sentient being is evolved enough to
be able to receive and understand andprocess the thoughts of the planet, it
starts going through the process of awakening, which is the species becomes awake to
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the thoughts of the planet. Soand when that happens, the planet.
So I love that book, butwith a storytelling aspect to it and actually
a message kind of a spiritual yeah, message to it. The spiritual book
disguise does a sci fi novel.So I don't love that. I don't
want to rule all that and Idon't know. But from what you're saying,
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I didn't read the book. Yeah. When a planet becomes knowledgeable,
uh, and it connect to theuniverse, when the rest of the universe
can see it, is when itbecomes a star. Um. So when
planets finally real life come conscious enough, the people or on this planet,
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of course, humans become that levelof consciousness for the rest of the universe
to know that this planet has receivedtotal consciousness. It explodes that you just
gave away the ending of my Really, I had never read it. But
maybe you watched should we should sayspoiler alert beginning of that comment, I
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did say it. I did sayit on your She just is a good
describer on your Instagram live, didn'tshe recently like read a chapter day to
people. I've been reading a chapterday on my Instagram Live. So for
there's thirty nine chapters for forty days. Oh nice, and yeah on chapter
twenty three right now? Oh good, good? So they can later.
(19:00):
Yes, now it's an audio bookbecause you just did the audio. It's
very much. It's so funny.I don't even know how to work I
GTV tap. You guys are like, oh, he's a touch to his
phone. I don't know even how. Shit, I don't even know how
to copy and paste. Man,what the hell are you talking about?
When you said avatar? I thoughtthe movie took car and I didn't want
to admit it to look like anidiot. That's why. That's why did
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you know, Ellie Solja? Butthat's why I just made it immediately said
for those of you don't know,you know how people will send you like
a little carts. I know whatit is, but I mean I thought
I was thinking a little blue bluebut aliens running around with James camer No,
No, that term, that termcame out before the movie Avatar has
been around. It's a gamer,it starts. It's a gamer thing.
(19:48):
You know, what's your avatar?It's what you look like, what you've
created. Like your boys would knowwhat an avatar was. Of course,
this is what their creator, whatthey created their character. Now or I
guess he was really moved by thatdiscussion on the So so so you the
Thirteenth Planet. Now, I sawthis Indian proverb that kind of reminded me
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again. I got on these likequotes because I saw the one I said
earlier. This one kind of relatedto hit me. Of all of them
and says, who is blind,he who can see no other world?
Who was dumb? He who cansay nothing pleasant about his lot? Who
is poor? He who is troubledwith too many desires? Who is rich?
(20:38):
He who is happy with his lot? And so that kind of all
tied in when we were just talkingabout is and it's it's getting me,
and that's that's that's why I dothis show, is to try I'm trying
to do my little part to helpthe world be better. And we just
released an episode recently, like we'retalking about earlier about social media, the
most annoying things will do. Butin the end, I couldn't say the
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most toxic. Yes, I couldn'tsay the most toxic horrible things people do
because people wouldn't listen. So Isaid the annoying things. But it's actually
things that are taking us the wrongdirection, that people are getting so sucked
into that are not good for usas human beings. We didn't used to
resonate on that level. We didn'tused to function at that level. And
so the fact that we're falling fallingmore into the people are age that are
(21:26):
around the forty age don't have toworry about that because we've kind of just
got out in time. It's likethe building's exploding and we just jumped out
as it exploded. But our youth, the millennials, our kids are the
ones in the middle of this.There's so much influence, as you know,
Anthony, with your teenage boys thatthey're getting from video games and social
(21:48):
media that's making them feel that theyare only what they have in their life,
only what they have or what theyis so shape with And so I'm
gonna leave it at that. Becauseyou founded something called peace Unleashed. Now
what I saw was something that beganas a personal healing journey turned into an
(22:11):
eighteen year deep dive into various modalitiesof psychology, philosophy, spirituality. Now
you founded it, you co foundedit with kneel, right, or you
did it? Yeah? Do youguys together and you m in order to
share the inner peace strategies, toolsand processes that help her become one of
the most grounded and peaceful people livingtoday, which I already said about her.
(22:33):
Now, as you guys have alreadyheard so far, she's got incredible
philosophies and we only are scratching thesurface. You guys need to look her
up more and find more. Butthis is why she's here. But what
I want to know is I seeso many people now that claim that they're
self help healers. You know,they're they're they're they're they're here to help
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people with their lives. What isit about you? Do you think that
is gonna set you apart? Whypeople need to come to you and look
at what you're doing? Because nowevery day I have friends. Every day
I'm a life coach now, ohmy god, every day too yeah,
every day. Yeah, And I'mlike, your fucking life's a mess.
It's not what life life for yourcoach? Ye exactly, fucking guys on
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the ground snorting cocaine and finding kemble. He's like, hey, dude,
I just came up with this.I'm a life coach, dude, and
I said, Jesus, this iswhere we've gone through. You know,
so fucking delusional from doing meth.He doesn't even realize exactly. Thank you.
That's so funny you said that.I have every one of my friends.
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It's like online is like, comeconsult. I said, you get
your degree, fucking life coach.They said, the serfication? What the
certification is life? You know who'sgot life coach? A homeless guy that's
made it out of the out ofthe fucking homeless pits, who doesn't have
a degree, Because what the fuckis a life coach? Thank you?
And so the parents l X isa life coach, Simmons. This is
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because some of these, some ofthese friends I have that say their life
coach, they've literally had everything handedto them on the subver plat of the
whole life. They haven't experienced anytrauma like that's out normal, and they
went to school and I'm a lifecoach. Oh my god, But that's
what I love about. You're alife coaching comes from experience. Forget the
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college, forget the school, forgetthe certification you come from. I always
say college is cool, it's itmakes you book smart. But nothing's better
than being life smart, street smart, experiencing it, getting your hands dirty,
bleeding, sweating, crying, feelingit. No book can teach you
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that. Yeah, so you're comingfrom a place. Forget the certification.
So I want you to tell peopleright here, right now, why should
people come to you other than thehundred I every day I get I get
emails from all these life coaches allthe time. Hey, the daily this
thing or this meditation. And it'scool, it's fine for all those people
to do. Yeah, I agreewith that, but it's saturated. Yeah.
(25:08):
So again I want them to knowbecause the listeners, what is it?
Why do they need to come toyou. Well, that's a tough
question to answer because I'm not actuallysure they should come to me. You
know, you're not claiming you're alife coach. I'm not. I don't
I mean to learn about all thisthat we've talked about if not a life
(25:30):
coach, You're right. Thank youfor saying she's not a life coach,
right, but she's here to helpyou about finding your better path, your
better journey. Like I'm glad shedoesn't call herself a life coach or a
psychic. Those are setups for people, you know what I mean. And
you can't say that. But letme ask you this, what if you're
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trying to connect with somebody. Imean, I gotta tell you something.
I almost did a social experiment,yeah, but then I thought it's going
to turn into a fucking nightmare.I was gonna have my friend following with
a camera for a couple of weeksthroughout different parts of the country, like
a road trip, having me sayhello to people like really, chipper,
hey, how are you certain?Nice to see you from every different race,
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ethnicity, gender at all, Andsee who says high back and how
they say it, and how manypeople just shut the door look at me
like I'm crazy the problem people's doings. No, no on the street,
yeah, because I'm walking out everyday grateful to be alive, and I
do that. I can't tell youhow many people I see just look at
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me like I'm crazy. Well Idon't know, or they're skeptical, like
right now if I say well,it just depends also your ethnicity or there's
a lot of suspicion. I noticedthat with Asians because I live near Kytown.
I say hello, how are youin? Some Asians look at me
like they think because they're scared.I say hello to African Americans and some
are very like, how are youstart? Just blow me off? Look
(27:00):
at me. Those are just lookingat the camera right now because it was
a person, and say, tellme, how would you if that was
a person on the street, howwould you say? Hello? How are
you to the camera? Just bewalking? Are you crazy asking that question?
I want, I want to makea point. Let's see, hey,
how are you? Nice to seeyou? Okay, So I'm gonna
look at you right now and Iknow you. But we are as a
society or even as a world,used to someone being like that, like
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you actually look crazy. I lookcrazy for saying hello, how you are
crazy? Are you kidding me toso genuine we are right now? Yeah,
but it's so genuine. What areyou talking? Okay? Because it's
coming from a genuine place, can'tcrazy? But people will looking at their
phone. They would trust what theirphone say over what someone like I said,
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I don't blame, like I understandwhere it's coming from, but I'm
trying to stay on your path ofthinking and saying, oh we connect them.
So many people don't want to connect. You find the people that you
want. But if it's you know, like I said said, I don't
blame. I understand why an AfricanAmerican right now would look at me when
I'm like, hey, what's goingon? Look at me like what do
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you want from me? Like whatis it that you're trying to do?
Are you just trying to be extranice to me because one of my brethren
just got shot and killed or whatevertheir suspicion is. I understand it.
But shit, I'm coming from avery kind of or an Asian American who
who maybe whose family was beat upand I have for Asian friends who's so
I feel for them, Like I'mlike, I understand your pain, but
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here I am trying to connect withyou because I truly do love you.
But does that mean they don't wantto connect? Doesn't mean that we've been
conditioned that not to connect. We'reso conditioned, especially in the city like
La. Like I'll go on ahike here in La and I'll look at
people and smile, and people willbe Yeah, they don't smile. That's
crazy. But I think you can'ttake that's crazy. But I think you
can't take any of that personally.I don't agree with you. I think
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you have to tell you why becausethose same people I don't know, but
I'm going to talk about general,will be the same people whoever is not
happy or complaining that they're that theworld is not fair to them or fair
to the situation, or you're tryingto connect with them to be part of
that that thing. I don't careif you're it's not had nothing to do
(29:15):
with raise social but you're just like, hey, man, what's going on?
That same person could be the personwho's complaining about how fucked up the
world is but they're not doing theirpart to make the world a better place.
But why so why would you takeit? Person? Because then shut
then they should shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying. No,
Because because they're they're they're spouting theirmouth online. I guarantee you they're
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they're the ones who are like goingonline and and and texting, all this
negative stuff that's on people online arenot going to say that to you in
your face that you can't take oneverything online. You gotta take with more
than one grain the salt that probablyit's all. It's all again, it's
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it's it's so so conditioning. It'slocation, because like I said, I'll
hike here and try to look peoplenigh and knowing unfriendly. If I go
up north northern California where I'm from, in a hike, same state,
every single person is like, hey, how are you doing? But that's
that's that's why I said, youneed to go to different parts of the
exactly I was gonna be fair.I was gonna be fair in my in
my docute little series is like,go to different parts of the country and
(30:22):
see who and and maybe we'll besurprised at to who's really open. That's
a great idea because because I'm abrown guy, trust me, if a
certain parts I got to go toWyoming and I might get shot out.
You're done, you know, butmaybe not. That's what I'm trying to
say is part of this social experiment. You know. I feel like I
would be surprised if I went thereand I was like, good morning,
how you doing. They might belike, how are you doing? Brother?
(30:45):
Matter what, that might be thelast hello you say to somebody.
I was in Wyoming last year twentytwenty, Me and my brother were driving
through Wyoming. My dad called.We were like, we're going through Wyoming,
Wyoming to northern Aron to get toChicago. He goes, why oh
me Wyoming Wyoming, Like he wasfreaking out. Yeah, you're in Wyoming.
You better watch out. So atthe meantime, like we're driving through
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Wyoming, nothing happens, right,So twenty twenty, everyone's got to wear
a mask. So you got twoblack guys walk into a liquor store in
Wyoming with masks on, right okay, and everyone there was like, hey,
how are you doing? How howare you? Is there? Everything
okay? Bah blah. And itwas fine. But if it was twenty
(31:29):
nineteen June, black dudes walk intoa store of liquor story in Wyoming with
a mask on, you think it, No questions, zero questions, blow
blow blow You're done? Really,you think so? Oh, without a
doubt. Twenty twenty has changed alot of things. I like that idea,
you should do that accident. Ilike that idea. That's a great
(31:52):
documentary accident, and then you canelaborate on it. His plenty his ideas
though, because like probably about tenor fifteen years ago, we were desperate
for good press, himanized actors liketo get more numbers, and he came
with this this idea. He said, we need to have someone to film
us, like out in public somewhere, and we get in this huge fight
and we just start yelling each otherin public and fighting each other. He
(32:13):
said, we'll be all over TMZexactly like he wanted us to act beat
each other up. And because Ican't get a fucking job just being me,
you know what, He's not auditioning, an't working, so I might
as well, you know, startup and then making some racial shit like
go after you like for you beingmixing you off the Middle Eastern, you
(32:36):
know what I mean? Hey,so, oh your phone's ringing, just
look down at it. But that'smy agent and I'm still not going to
pick it up. Not an agentcan wait, that's right. And Israeli
and Iranian are sitting under a tree. A caterpillar falls on the Israeli who
(32:58):
looks at it and discussed and flipit into the Iranian. The Iranian pops
it into his mouth and eats itwithout a second glance. A few minutes
later, another caterpillar lands on Israeli. Israeli turns to the Iranian says,
would you like to buy a caterpillar? Damn? Whoa? I mean,
you don't like that one. You'renever getting hired that the Internet. That's
(33:23):
all I had to choose from thething is, there are so many amazing
Persian jokes. There are so manyPersians. There's some great Persian comics.
Now I got some a few proverbs, and then we're gonna close it out.
So the rich man makes mistakes andthe poor man get the blame.
(33:45):
That's a Romanian proverb. Um.When here's a Turkish proverb. When a
rich man fails, they say itwas an accident. When a poor man
fails, they say that he wasdrunk or lazy. Same thing. Yeah,
here's a Moroccan proverb. If arich man steals, it is a
mistake. If a poor man makesa mistake, he is stolen. And
(34:10):
finally, this one, this kindof summarizes these this whole episodes. Why
I left it for last It's aChinese proverb. A satisfied man is happy
even if he is poor. Adissatisfied man is sad even if he is
rich. And that's what this isabout. That's what everyone needs to take
with him. There you go.So that's it. That's Ellie. So
(34:31):
Joe Roll called the podcast this podcastto Coca Seras with Anthony is uzy?
Tell me tell me? He says, say, hey, how are you
hey? See you look at him? Though, when he says that this,
(34:52):
I'd be like I would tell mydaughter, what are you talking about?
My kid? The other day?My kids said that I you can't
say hid the little kids don't saya cute little kid? I said,
I don't give a shit. Whatare you talking about? My dad?
Is a com attrition? I canand I will. I told your kids
are very cute. He didn't touchyou in the face. You never know.
(35:16):
The crazy said thank you, sadthat today, and he went home
and told his wife. I literallywalked past the guy who's supposed to be
uh with the state. He's supposedto tell the stake. They can say
what they wanted. It's both persons. I like he was comedian, Yeah
exactly. He needs to be wearinga scarlet letter and that Tony, Yeah,
(35:42):
yeah, this is one of thegreatest guests. I gotta say so
spiritual, I get so thank youEllie for continuing your journey and what you're
gonna be do in the future.Thanks Tony for saying that. I really
appreciate that. And it's easy thanksto being a brother to shit it.
We love everybody, our fans,friends, listeners, continue to stay with
(36:04):
us. We're gonna help. We'regonna entertain you. We're gonna make you
laugh, we're gonna make you cry. We're gonna continue to hopefully open your
eyes to new things you've never experienced. Stop good, Thank you,
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