Rolling Through Negotiations

Rolling Through Negotiations

Hosted by Matthew Karakoulakis, one of Australia’s top lawyers, this podcast blends the principles of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ), First Nations Leadership, and business strategy to help you negotiate like a pro.

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September 24, 2025 27 mins

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In this new episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, host Matthew Karakoulakis sits down with Cameron Morrall, a proud Wotjobaluk man and co-founder of Little Wombats, an early childhood education initiative dedicated to sharing the richness of First Nations culture with young learners.

Cameron shares how storytelling, music, dance, and art become powerful tools to engage children in Aborigina...

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In this powerful episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew yarns with Shelley Ware a proud Yankunytjatjara and Wirangu woman, educator, author, broadcaster, and advocate who has spent more than two decades shaping conversations in sport, education, and community.

Shelley shares her journey from being one of the first Aboriginal women on mainstream television to becoming a nationally res...

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September 10, 2025 12 mins

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Next month is Indigenous Business Month a nationwide celebration of the strength, innovation, and resilience of First Nations businesses and leaders. But we didn’t want to wait until October to start the conversation.

In this special highlights episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, we revisit two powerful yarns with Megan Highfold and Selena McGuire. This edit is a short just a short summar...

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In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew yarns with Murray Smith, founder of Grip 6 and Certified EOS Implementer™, to explore how the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) can transform the way leaders and teams approach challenges.

Murray brings lessons from his experience building and re-engineering organisations, backed by an MBA from MIT, a Master’s in HR & Industrial...

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In this new episode, Matthew yarns with Cecilia McKenzie, a proud Wiradjuri woman, First Nations advocate, classically trained vocalist, and lived experience practitioner.

With more than a decade of community and counselling work, Cecilia combines her professional knowledge with an artist’s soul, using her voice in both storytelling and music to share hope, healing, and cultural strength.

Cecil...

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🥋 What does it really take to turn passion into a thriving business while staying true to your values?

In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew yarn with Sharon Brindley a proud Yamatji Noongar woman, Founder/CEO of Jala Jala Treats, and serial entrepreneur behind multiple ventures including Cooee Café & Catering and TrapEase.

Sharon shares her journey from starting out wit...

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🥋 What does it take to challenge the thinking of CEOs and boards and help them see the blind spots in their own business?

In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew sits down with John Kounas, Business Strategist and Advisor to C-Suite Executives and Boards, to unpack the structures, strategies, and mindset shifts that drive real results.

From building vision, mission, and values...

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🥋What does genuine reconciliation really look like?

In this episode, we yarn with Professor Andrew Gunstone, Associate Deputy Vice-Chancellor Reconciliation at Federation University and founder of the National Centre for Reconciliation, Truth and Justice.

We unpack the uncomfortable truth behind many so-called reconciliation efforts, where flying flags, wearing t-shirts, and hosting morning te...

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🥋 What does it mean to truly listen, not just in a conversation, but in life, business, and negotiation?

This week on Rolling Through Negotiations, we yarn with EJ Garrett, a proud Darumbal and Wulli Wulli man, filmmaker, and founder of EJ Garrett Pty Ltd, an Indigenous-owned media company leading powerful community based projects.

EJ has written, directed, and produced documentaries for NITV,...

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🥋 What if mastering sales could help you create real change, not just in business, but for community too?

In this episode we yarn with Richard Hurst, a proud Gamilaroi man whose career spans property, education, recruitment, and leadership across both government and corporate sectors. Richard shares powerful insights from his journey. 

We unpack:

  • The misunderstood art of sales (and why it s...
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🥋 Ever wondered what it really means to ‘find your gold’ and how that mindset shapes your leadership and negotiation skills?

In this episode, we roll through the power of mentoring, self-awareness, and behavioural flexibility with Lindsey Leigh Hobson, a 2024 LinkedIn Top Voice in Mentoring and Founder of The Learning and Development Collective.

Lindsey breaks down the difference between coach...

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🥋 What does real co-design look like and how do we shift from consultation to genuine collaboration?

This week is NAIDOC Week, a time to celebrate and recognise the history, culture, and achievements of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. It’s also a time to listen. 

In this episode, we sit down with Marius Little, a proud Arrernte man and engagement specialist who has spent years n...

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🥋 What makes a leader worth following and how does negotiation fit into the picture?

In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew sits down with Brent Szalay, the Managing Director of Leaders In Business & SEIVA to unpack the connection between leadership, negotiation, and purpose.

Brent shares insights drawn from decades of experience advising SMEs, leading strategic planning ...

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In this episode, we sit down with James d’Apice, the commercial litigator behind the beloved podcast Coffee and a Case Note. Known for serving up short, sharp legal insights over a long black, James brings his sharp wit, humility, and storytelling chops to a longer yarn with Matthew.

Key Takeaways:

  • The real-life tension between director duties and day-to-day business reality.
  • How “co-owner c...
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In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew has a yarn with Gemma Lloyd a proud Dunghutti and Gumbaynggirr woman, founder of Sacred Country Consulting, and a leader whose journey bridges community, business, and spirituality.

Gemma shares how she weaves cultural protocol, integrity, and connection into every aspect of her work. From unpacking the grey areas of black cladding to of...

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🥋 What does it take to bring together 27 Aboriginal businesses, amplify truth-telling, and pass the baton to the next generation?

In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew sits down with Christine Ross a proud Arrernte and Kaytetye woman from Central Australia, long time resident of Boorloo (Perth), and the powerhouse behind some of the biggest Aboriginal conferences in the cou...

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🥋 What happens when purpose, profit, and Indigenous culture all roll into one?

In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew sits down with Lane Stockton, a proud Wiradjuri man and the Founder & CEO of Yarn’n, Australia’s only Indigenous-owned, Australian-made toilet paper brand.

Yarn’n is all about sharing First Nations culture in everyday homes, backing sustainability, and giv...

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🥋 What does it take to lead high-performing teams in one of the most demanding work environments contact centres?
 
 In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew sits down with Saebah an operational leader with a track record of turning struggling teams into high-performing ones. Saebah shares what it really takes to lead in environments where emotions run high, burnout i...

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🥋 What does it really mean to walk in two worlds and how can culture, community, and country shape the way we negotiate?

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Tina McGhie, a Wiradjuri-Ngunnawal woman and Co-CEO of Carugio. Drawing from her own lived experience, Tina shares what it takes to navigate complex negotiations while staying true to cultural integrity. With decades of work across...

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🥋 How do we protect what’s sacred, and why does cultural heritage matter in everyday negotiations?

In this episode of Rolling Through Negotiations, Matthew sits down with Dr Jillian Comber, archaeologist, mediator and Director of Comber Consultants, to explore what it takes to balance development with genuine respect for First Nations heritage and Country.

With over 35 years of experience acro...

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