April 3, 2025 • 50 mins
Devonnie and Jordan chat with indie author Lizzie B. Brown. They chat Lizzie's latest reads, her tops romance recs, and all her unruly characters.
Lizzie writes romance that features highly entertaining characters and all the smut you could hope for! Her latest title, Obedience Vol. 2 comes out April 5th, 2025. Until then check out Friendsgiving With Benefits, Coming For Christmas, and Obedience Vol.1. If that's not enough check out her Patreon for exclusives and whole new stories.
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Jordan (00:01):
Welcome to Romance Recs.
We are three romance obsessedbesties, sharing book res,
broken down by genres and tropesso you can be sure you're
getting exactly what you wantout of your next read.
I'm Jordan.
I am currently listening toRebel Witch by Kristen
Cicirelli, and I am readingQueen of Annihilation by Devyn
(00:27):
Sinclair, and I'm about tostart.
Obedience Volume two by LizzieB.
Brown
Devonnie (00:36):
I love that.
Hey guys, this is Dev.
I am actually reading andlistening to Wild Side by Elsie
Silver, and that's pretty muchit right now.
That's all I got.
Jordan (00:51):
and instead of Christina today we have.
Lizzie (00:56):
Lizzie.
Hi,
Devonnie (00:58):
Woohoo.
Jordan (00:58):
Yay.
Devonnie (00:59):
Welcome Lizzie to the pod.
Lizzie (01:01):
woo.
I'm currently reading Craving InHis Blood by Zoe Draven.
I just started it.
It's the second book in aseries.
I loved the first book and I'vebeen getting kind of a slump
lately.
So vampires in space.
Jordan (01:17):
Oh, nice.
Devonnie (01:19):
Yeah.
I love that.
That's up my alley.
I love a little sci-fi, but Ialso am obsessed with vampires,
so I feel like I need to writethat down.
Lizzie (01:27):
Yeah,
Jordan (01:28):
for a slump, like very
Lizzie (01:30):
is.
Jordan (01:31):
So buckle up for some bookish banter.
I'll throw that in.
Make sure we get that in therefor Christina.
She's not here.
Devonnie (01:37):
I know.
That's her little tag.
I'm so excited to have Lizzie onthe pod.
Jordan (01:41):
I know, uh, for those of you that don't remember that
haven't listened to everythingwe've had, I have recommended a
couple of Lizzie's books.
I think I found you onlinealmost a year ago.
I was, I don't even rememberhow, uh, but I looked back and I
(02:02):
read, uh, Friendsgiving withBenefits last May.
And I just kind of fell in lovewith your characters.
Lizzie (02:11):
thank you.
Say most people that find me,it's kind of random.
A lot of people are like, Ithink I saw you on TikTok live a
couple years ago.
Okay,
Devonnie (02:21):
that's so interesting.
Jordan (02:23):
That's awesome.
The book too just intrigued meand I just fell in love.
So we're so excited to have youhere and chat about your books
and just just the whole writing,putting out your books into the
world but before we get startedI forgot to ask you if you came
with a quote,
Devonnie (02:43):
yeah.
Lizzie (02:44):
So I actually The other thing I've been reading a lot
lately is obedience volume two,since it's coming out soon.
And one of my favorite quotesfrom it is.
Hold up.
Were you naked busting in onhim, or is was he naked when you
burst in?
Ah, it's always a mouthful, butyeah, hold up.
Were you naked
Devonnie (03:04):
Were you naked?
Lizzie (03:05):
or was he naked?
When you burst in?
It's a very out of contextquote, but I love it.
Devonnie (03:11):
Okay.
Jordan (03:12):
But people are naked.
People are busted.
Good.
It's,
Devonnie (03:16):
Naked and busting is all you need to know.
Lizzie (03:18):
Yeah.
Devonnie (03:19):
okay.
I have a quote too.
I thought this would be a primetime to, uh, think back to when
I read Kissing the Coronavirus.
Jordan (03:31):
I don't know when that's ever a good idea, but,
Devonnie (03:35):
Anytime's a good time to discuss the coronavirus and
its impact on our nation in ourcountry.
In our world.
Okay.
In our planet,
Jordan (03:42):
in this economy, really
Devonnie (03:44):
Yes.
And I thought since we would betalking to Lizzie, who, you
know, writes erotica, that thiswould be a wonderful time to
combine the seriousness of thecoronavirus and erotica.
So here we go.
Jordan (03:57):
I'm gonna have nightmares.
Devonnie (04:01):
Alexa felt a rush of excitement every time she picked
up the Corona sample, like apulsating, erect penis.
Jordan (04:09):
Oh,
Devonnie (04:10):
to unleash its devastation on anyone who
touched it.
Jordan (04:15):
Stop it.
Why?
Yeah.
Lizzie (04:18):
That's some actual quality writing right there,
though.
Devonnie (04:22):
I think it was superb.
I think it was succinct.
I think we understand thedevastation that's going to be,
you know, released.
I think the throbbing pulsatingpenis comparison really lets you
know what you're getting into.
So you're welcome.
Jordan hates me.
Jordan (04:42):
Well, I am gonna read a quote from, sorry.
I just, that's fucking bookevery time.
I hate it so much.
I just feel a little sick.
I feel like I have thecoronavirus a little bit every
time I hear it.
Devonnie (04:58):
I never want to have the coronavirus ever again after
reading this book, but thankyou.
Jordan (05:03):
Oh.
Anyways, so my quote today isfrom Coming for Christmas by
Lizzie, be Brown.
Devonnie (05:15):
Not coming for Christmas
Jordan (05:16):
Oh yeah.
There's lots of coming forChristmas, But a lot of cumings
and different bars.
Marry me poppy.
Three little words, the samerequest after every blowjob, but
for the first time, I held realhope.
Devonnie (05:35):
Poor thing.
Jordan (05:36):
Poor, little nixy,
Devonnie (05:38):
I hate that.
Not marry me every time.
Jordan (05:41):
for those of you that haven't read Friendsgiving with
benefits or.
Coming for Christmas.
Poppy and Nixon are the best offriends with the best of
benefits, and after everyblowjob, he always asks her to
marry him because Poppy's justthat amazing and she just
brushes it off'cause it's ajoke.
(06:02):
But until it's not so much ajoke.
Lizzie (06:06):
That's the funny thing is that's the, like he.
I thought it was kind of a funnything to do that like he's dead
serious every time and he justdoesn't seem to understand
that's not the time to do it.
Jordan (06:18):
It is the post nut clarity really.
It's too clear.
It's too much clarity.
Devonnie (06:24):
I, if someone ever asked me to marry them after
that context, I would throatpunch them.
'cause like right now, really?
No.
Jordan (06:33):
Yeah.
But if it's like you're, ifyou're like friends with
benefits, they're just like.
Oh my God.
Marry me.
Oh, that was such a good gl.
That's funny.
If that's your ba,
Lizzie (06:42):
Exactly.
Jordan (06:43):
they banter.
Devonnie (06:44):
it, yeah.
Funny banter, but like reallyasking me to marry you after
that.
Lizzie (06:49):
the joke.
Jordan (06:50):
their
Lizzie (06:51):
Yeah, he does.
She doesn't know he's serious.
He just always
Devonnie (06:54):
That's what I'm
Lizzie (06:55):
Yeah.
Like
Devonnie (06:56):
That's what I'm saying.
He's serious.
Lizzie (06:59):
serious and she's just oh.
And
Devonnie (07:02):
What
Lizzie (07:03):
yeah.
Jordan (07:04):
I love Poppy man.
I love Poppy so much.
Sorry.
We'll get into that.
But another reason we have youon right now is because volume
two of obedience is coming out.
April April 5th.
Little asmr.
Thank you Dev with
Devonnie (07:21):
You're welcome.
Jordan (07:21):
volume one there.
'cause this is an audio podcast,not a visual one.
But tell us about obedience andwhat you have coming out and
what's going on.
Lizzie (07:33):
obedience started as a serial on Kindle Villa which is
no longer a thing, but I dostill have it ongoing on my
Patreon.
I loved Villa.
Devonnie (07:42):
It was fun.
Lizzie (07:42):
but it's essentially the opening concept was what's the
one thing.
That people tend to be reallyicky about age gap.
Besides the gap in age.
And when I talk to a lot ofpeople, it's the under most
circumstances, especially whenit comes to like more taboo and
forbidden romance, the olderperson is always in a position
(08:04):
of power.
So can the younger person evertruly consent?
It's always dubious consent atbest.
And I was like.
I could have a little fun withthat.
So Obedience is a collegeprofessor that is submissive to
his student and you get like alittle bit of both of their POVs
and you see that he is genuinelysubmissive.
(08:26):
She is genuinely in control.
This isn't necessarily just onlyrole play in the bedroom.
Although to be fair, he doesn'trealize she's his student.
The first time they hook up.
He's in another state.
He has no reason to believe he'sgonna see her ever again, and
then the first day of the newsemester starts.
Jordan (08:49):
I think that's what allowed me to stay hooked is
just like knowing that they hadthat connection first.
It wasn't like.
Devonnie (08:55):
wasn't like.
Jordan (08:56):
A professor seeing their student in that moment, it was
because when he did see her inthat setting, it was an, oh
fuck.
Devonnie (09:05):
That's one of my favorite I don't know if it's a
trope, it's something I love.
I think sometimes it, it getspredictable, like in movies and
stuff when you see it play out.
But I love reading that momentwhere it's oh, y'all did it and
y'all are about to like worktogether or be at school
together, or, that's now yourkid's nanny.
Or you know, I love when it'sthat.
(09:25):
Oh shit.
Look who's popped back up, sothat was nice.
Lizzie (09:31):
Yeah, and I read a lot of I love age gap.
I read a lot of age gap andprofessor and student stuff, so
it's kind of funny that I
Jordan (09:40):
No shame here.
Lizzie (09:41):
yeah, I
Devonnie (09:41):
Yeah.
Lizzie (09:42):
twist on it.
'cause like for me the professorcould actually pursue his
student, like openly and I wouldbe like, yeah, that's cool.
But I was like, you know what Ithink this is a challenge.
I wanna see if I can do this.
And it turned out like workingbetter than I thought it would
because especially as somebodythat's.
In my early forties at thispoint, like realizing that when
(10:05):
you're an adult you don't knowwhat the hell you're doing
still.
So I was able to play a lot intothat where when you read the
book, like she is definitely themore immature out of the two.
But there are moments where Itry to have it be a little more
real where it's, he does notknow what he's doing.
He's floundering at moments.
But in that there's still a lotof spice.
One of the other things I triedto do is even though the
(10:26):
relationship is more of a domsub adjacent, I the first book
is them kind of just going intoit blind.
Neither one of them is part ofthe kink scene.
They don't really wanna labelanything.
So it's kind of a look at whathappens.
When you dive in head first,have no idea what you're doing
and don't know about properlycommunicating and setting clear
(10:48):
boundaries, because I think mostpeople in their day-to-day lives
is if you're not in, if you'renot in the kink scene, you don't
necessarily know what you'redoing.
You read books, you might see acouple movies, and you're like,
oh, that's how it works.
And then book two, volume two.
You're gonna see more growthwhere they're both okay, if this
is going to be a thing, we doneed to actually communicate.
(11:10):
We do need to start using labelsif for no other reason than to
make sure we understand what ourroles are so we understand each
other.
Jordan (11:19):
I love
Lizzie (11:20):
You also get introductions of more characters
on the side,
Jordan (11:27):
excited
Devonnie (11:28):
love side characters.
Lizzie (11:29):
characters that you already know.
Jordan (11:31):
Yeah, I'm so nervous.
A good kind of nervous,
Devonnie (11:36):
So I feel like you kind of just pretty much told
us, uh, a little bit of yourcatalog and like what you've got
besides obedience and Poppy andNicks.
What other things are youworking
Lizzie (11:48):
so I have, two other serials that started out on
Kindle Villa that are still onPatreon that are actually
obedience spinoffs.
So in obedience, he's got hisbest friend Eddie.
And Eddie has another bestfriend, Carla, and they actually
have their own kind of littleside POV chapter in volume one.
(12:11):
But they actually have their owncereal called the Bucket List,
where Carla has had the hots forEddie for like ages.
They work together.
But like it's one of those, he,there's people and there's
women, and then there's Carla.
I.
So she's not women, so herespects her.
And it's one of those where ifyou were to talk to Eddie, he
(12:31):
doesn't think he's misogynisticand disrespectful.
He is very respectful of women.
But the fact that he treatsCarla different because she's
not women, kind of speaksvolumes to his and as a
character.
But basically like their storyis they kind of start to
realize, like he realizes hemight actually have feelings for
her and.
(12:52):
She takes advantage of themoment when something happens
between them and it was like,Hey, I've never really been
kinky.
Why don't I like make a sexbucket list and you help me
cross things off of it.
And so that is where it followstheir relationship.
That's actually where Nixon andPoppy first appear is their
(13:14):
serial is Poppy, is Carla'sboss.
Jordan (13:20):
Oh
Lizzie (13:20):
And Nixon is their office mate.
Like they all work in an officewith two other characters that
you see in Nixon and Poppy's nveand coming for Christmas.
Carla just doesn't typicallyhang out with them because she's
not the nerd that they are.
Jordan (13:36):
cause they do cost play and stuff together.
That's how a lot of them met.
And
Lizzie (13:39):
yeah and.
Carla just follows Eddie aroundto the sports bars and whatnot
and hikes with him and is prettymuch wherever he's at.
And then the other serial iscalled Janet's story.
Janet is Joshua's ex.
The kind of reason that Joshuais where he's at the beginning
of obedience volume two, and herstory is an age gap MFM, where
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one of the guys is 12 yearsolder and one of the guys is 12
years younger.
And you wanna talk about thoselike gotcha moments?
She doesn't know it when shestarts a relationship with each
man and they don't know iteither, but it's like the
younger one the older guy's, theyounger one's dad's best friend.
Jordan (14:25):
I was waiting for a connection.
Devonnie (14:26):
yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (14:27):
like,
Lizzie (14:28):
it's the guy he calls uncle.
Jordan (14:30):
No.
Oh, Lizzie.
Devonnie (14:33):
no, Lizzie, he calls him uncle and he, they both
sandwich in Carla looking ateach other in the eye.
Lizzie (14:40):
Janet.
This one's Janet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (14:43):
Carla would
Lizzie (14:44):
no.
Carla.
Carla would die ofembarrassment.
Nope.
But yeah, and that actually iskind of, some scenes like that
after they find out it's, there,there's I had some fun on that
one, making some very awkwardmoments into some sexy moments,
because I will say one, one ofthem is experienced in
threesomes, and I won't tell youwhich one.
Devonnie (15:05):
Gotta be the younger one.
My money's on the
Jordan (15:09):
Can you imagine uncle teaching?
Devonnie (15:13):
That's why I have to, that's why for me, it has to be
the younger one because I don'twant uncle looking at him like
hey just shift to the left.
Really.
Yeah.
So what you wanna do is tilt.
I, I don't, I'll actually gag,but I do love a little drama in
a book, so that's definitely agood place to
Lizzie (15:30):
The, and that definitely has the drama.
And then currently I'm releasingthree stories kind of as I write
them on Patreon to kind of keepme motivated.
And one is a.
Dark paranormal romance, whiteshoes.
One is a contemporary throuplebook, and then one is a fantasy
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that's starting out is mf buteventually will become white
shoes down the line.
It's a very slow build to theother men.
The one I'm having the most funwith right now is the Paranormal
romance.
Why choose?
It's an isaka.
I know not a lot of people knowwhat an isaka is.
Devonnie (16:08):
Yeah, please educate me.
I have no idea what you'retalking about right now.
Jordan (16:10):
about.
Lizzie (16:10):
It's a big in mostly Japanese comics, anime, et
cetera.
That's where the term came from.
You'll also see it though, in alot of web tunes and whatnot,
that the basic translation istransported to another world.
Devonnie (16:24):
Okay.
Lizzie (16:24):
the big trend the last couple years is somebody dies
and wakes up in said world,oftentimes a fictional world,
like a video game or book thatthey love.
So the paranormal romance is, Idied and woke up in my favorite
paranormal romance novel.
Devonnie (16:40):
Oh my gosh, how cute is that?
I love that
Lizzie (16:44):
chapter one is she wakes up bound to an altar in an old
church.
And this dude that looks kind offamiliar is like kind of going
off on her and she realizes it'sher favorite character from her
favorite book.
So she seduces him.
Yeah.
In chapter one is straight intochurch sex.
Devonnie (17:05):
As you also do,
Jordan (17:06):
Like Imagine Dev, you have an accident and you wake up
and you're tied down.
A ol is just there with
Devonnie (17:15):
in the ice.
Jordan (17:16):
but yeah.
And you're there.
Yeah.
And he's per your.
I mean,
Devonnie (17:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm in heaven.
Jordan (17:24):
rolling with it.
Devonnie (17:25):
right because the way the barbarians love their women
down.
I would like to be in myfavorite paranormal romance as
well.
Yeah,
Lizzie (17:34):
Exactly.
Devonnie (17:35):
great.
Jordan (17:37):
I love it.
So you have a very activePatreon.
Lizzie (17:41):
I try to, yeah.
Jordan (17:42):
yeah.
You have so much going, you haveso many projects.
So how often do you release?
What do you include in yourPatreon?
Just for anyone interested.
Lizzie (17:53):
So I, I try to release when I can at least one thing
weekly.
Like right now I have threedifferent stories releasing
weekly.
Uh, once or twice a year I mightI go on like a month hiatus to
recharge and get some like backcatalog, but.
I try to keep everything I havetrouble paying attention a lot
(18:14):
of times to what I'm doing.
So it's, I will hyper focus onone of my stories, pump out
quite a few chapters, hand'emover to my beta readers, then
focus on the next one, and Ijust keep doing like that.
So I have a lot of differentprojects going on.
'cause initially when obediencewas first released, it was
obedience.
The bucket list and Janet story,were all going at the same time
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for a while.
There's a lot of crossoverbetween the bucket list and
obedience.
So I was having to go back andforth to give like prospective
PO fees.
So I have very long calendars inmy late folders to keep track of
who was actually where when.
Jordan (18:53):
Is that how you work best when you're doing it just
to keep the creative, like youlike to jump around?
So did this come about becausethat's how you like to write or
is this something you'veaccidentally fallen into
Lizzie (19:03):
Well, both like What the, so the fantasy story that's
on my Patreon right now into themountains of Mastria, that was
like the first one I reallytried to pound out.
But I found out after two monthsI was getting burnt out also
because fantasy needs a lot ofworld building and I'm very bad
at like sloppy first drafts, soI was getting in the weeds.
So that one it's a very slowright.
(19:27):
Whereas contemporary, theuniverse is already built for
you.
So I don't have to, I don't haveto do anything, but yeah, I have
to keep I have to keep myselfbusy and creating, but I can't
focus on one thing for too longor I lose focus completely on
what's going on in it.
So it's a by choice, but not bychoice.
(19:48):
Writing style.
Devonnie (19:50):
Yeah, I mean that, that choice actually, or that
writing style intrigues mebecause.
I like the idea of having veryclear continuity between
different books that are in yourU universe that you're building,
right?
And if you're writing them allat the same time, I feel like
everything's just so fresh andso connected.
You can jump around a littlebetter.
(20:11):
So even at some people thatmight seem chaotic, to me, that
seems like really smart.
Like that way you can flushthings out as they come along
between everything.
Lizzie (20:20):
That's actually how Friendsgiving came about was
because I realized Nixon andPoppy weren't just gonna be side
characters in the bucket list.
They were starting to take abigger role in that in a, in the
rest of the universe in general.
And I was like, I need to reallyhammer out what their backstory,
it's'cause, just'cause it's inmy head.
It's not gonna make sense to alot of people when certain
things start to happen.
(20:41):
Cough volume two, if you don'tknow their backstory.
Devonnie (20:46):
Yeah.
Lizzie (20:47):
Well, and that, and there's certain things that when
you subscribe to my Patreon,there's bonus chapters that they
started out with, things Iwasn't putting on Kindle Vela.
And they don't make it into likeobedience volume one and volume
two.
People actually have POVs thatI'm like in a book form.
It's not gonna make sense tohave these random POVs when it's
not their story.
So on Patreon you can find that.
Devonnie (21:11):
Yeah, I love that.
Jordan (21:12):
That's awesome.
Devonnie (21:14):
All right.
And then when did you actuallystart writing as far, if you
wanna talk about these series,like series that you're writing
with kind vela or like from thebeginning of time, like when did
you pick up your pen or yourcomputer and say, yeah, I'm
gonna write this.
Lizzie (21:29):
Like I've been writing on and off, like personally
since like middle school I wouldbe like up late writing weird
stories.
I'm pretty sure.
I was judged by my fellowclassmates, but to be fair, I
was writing weird stuff.
And I don't know why, I don'tknow why I was sharing it with
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them.
I don't think any of themactually wanted to read it.
And I, I always felt kind of badonce I got older.
That was like,
Jordan (21:58):
Oh, little Lizzie.
Lizzie (21:59):
fanfiction.net.
I wrote a slayers fanfic, alemon.
For the older people that knowwhat a lemon is.
And I am so grateful that Ithink like on the first fan
fiction purge, the story wasprobably whatever, so nobody
will ever find it like,
Jordan (22:16):
One of the few things that actually got buried on the
internet.
Devonnie (22:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (22:21):
it was like the truth or dare trope it.
It was,
Jordan (22:24):
yeah.
Who didn't write one of those?
Lizzie (22:27):
Yeah.
But professionally, I.
Obedience was published, I wannasay back in 2022 on Kendall
Villa, because that was the bigthing.
Was it ipu?
I published the first episodethe day before my birthday, and
then volume one released on itstwo year anniversary.
'cause that's what I was tryingto, if I have my years right, so
Jordan (22:53):
Nice.
Lizzie (22:54):
yeah.
Devonnie (22:55):
I love that.
I know Kind velo made it reallyeasy for that style of writing
too, and you just, you wanted tokeep your readers and your
community engaged.
You can just pump out theseepisodes, like whenever
Lizzie (23:06):
I feel because it had Amazon behind it, it felt a
little more legitimate than someof the other apps that, that's
the problem is there's so manyapps like that out there that
it's very hard, plus a lot ofthem.
You can't just post and if youcan, you're not guaranteed to
make money.
Whereas Vela was nice'cause itgave authors a chance to raise
the funds.
(23:26):
A lot of people would post theirstories there before they were
books and use the money theywere making from Vela to get the
editor to clean it up and paythe cover artist and do
everything you need to publish.
So I miss it.
Jordan (23:41):
All the little things that go into the big project,
Well, I was gonna ask you likeplotter or pants, but I'd say
you're more of a pants with anoverall
Lizzie (23:53):
it's I have basic outlines in my head.
Like I know how obedience isgonna end.
It's taken a lot of twists andturns.
I have not expected, but I doknow how it's gonna end, but I
have to be careful about what Iwrite down because if I write
down too much, I'm the kind ofperson that if the outline gets
derailed, I get very like upset.
(24:14):
And if I get too detailed, thenI'm like, well, the story's
written, why do I need toactually write it now?
And then I lose interest for abit?
So
Jordan (24:21):
Okay.
Lizzie (24:22):
It's kind of that if I want it told, I have to force
myself to write it.
So I, sometimes I purposelydon't outline to make sure I get
the words down on paper first.
Jordan (24:31):
So you're like a hybrid.
Lizzie (24:32):
Yeah, I reverse outline a lot, which is probably more
work in the end, but.
It keeps me moving forward.
Jordan (24:39):
Yeah.
Devonnie (24:39):
Yeah, I think as long as you find what works for you
and the story is being written,honestly, you just gotta do it.
'cause no two riders are thesame.
So whatever works for you.
Jordan (24:51):
All right.
Let's take a break from thatInquisition and just do a little
fun game of this or that.
Let's just, we're going to justask you questions and you just
have to go with your firstinstinct.
Your preferred,
Devonnie (25:06):
No thinking, just like saying,
Jordan (25:08):
yeah, just, yeah.
And it'll just be some lightjudging and it's not a big deal.
It's the low stakes.
Low
Devonnie (25:15):
yeah.
Jordan (25:16):
game.
All right.
Uh, I'll start and then Dev cando the last few.
So
Devonnie (25:23):
Yeah.
Jordan (25:25):
physical or ebook,
Lizzie (25:27):
ebook
Jordan (25:29):
hot or ice to drink.
Lizzie (25:31):
iced.
Jordan (25:33):
Okay.
Hardback or paperback?
Lizzie (25:36):
Hardback
Jordan (25:38):
One bed or who did this to
Lizzie (25:41):
one bed,
Jordan (25:44):
last.
Okay.
Okay.
I could see that.
Yeah.
Devonnie (25:46):
Yeah.
Jordan (25:48):
I'll do one more, and then it'll be dad's term, poppy
or Nixon.
Lizzie (25:53):
Nixon.
Devonnie (25:55):
Interesting.
Jordan (25:55):
Okay.
Okay.
We can talk about that later.
Devonnie (25:57):
All right.
Standalone or series.
Lizzie (25:59):
Series
Devonnie (26:01):
Yeah.
I feel like that faded mates orenemies to lovers.
Lizzie (26:04):
faded mates
Devonnie (26:06):
Yes.
Yes.
Books that make you cry or booksthat make you laugh.
Lizzie (26:11):
books that make me laugh.
Devonnie (26:13):
Okay.
And then in no particular order,name your top three book.
Boyfriends of All Time.
Jordan (26:19):
Or girlfriends.
Devonnie (26:20):
Or Girlfriends.
Or
Lizzie (26:22):
Matthew from Lola in the Millionaires.
Jordan (26:26):
Oh, I haven't read that one yet.
That's on my forever.
Lizzie (26:28):
Don't get me.
Daddy Caleb from oh the mategames war.
Jordan (26:33):
Okay.
Devonnie (26:33):
know that one.
Lizzie (26:34):
Oh
Jordan (26:35):
these.
I know all of these.
They're all like on
Lizzie (26:38):
no, the mate games.
War is like my favorite seriesever.
I got, no, I'll get in a tangenton that.
I gotta pull myself back, backin and then, actually, no.
On that note, then, Ben, fromMake Games Pestilence, I would
round it out.
Devonnie (26:55):
Yeah, I think it's fair.
I don't, yeah, I don't know ifthe make games were
Jordan (26:58):
Coming with the Recs.
Coming with the Recs.
I
Devonnie (27:01):
good wrecks that I've never heard before.
I love getting new
Lizzie (27:05):
Yeah, no the audio books are full cast duet and so the
first book for Make games War isObsession.
I kid you not that changed mybrain chemistry.
If you read or listen to itchapter 38, like chapter 38 is
every that's how good it is.
The
Jordan (27:25):
when you remember the chapter
Devonnie (27:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (27:27):
I have gotten so many people to read that book that,
like the book club I'm in, it'sa joke like.
Anybody that's half the bookclub's probably read it because
of me and yeah, they just, youwhen new people come in, it's,
I'm going to suggest that book.
Jordan (27:44):
I love it.
I love how everyone kind of hasthose books where you just, you
remember the high you rode afterreading the book, and
specifically certain parts of itthat kind of just hit you at
random times in the day orrandom days where you're just
like, oh, I remember that.
That was a great scene.
Lizzie (28:00):
I
Devonnie (28:00):
Thinking about those characters.
Lizzie (28:02):
or five different copies at this point signed of that
series.
Jordan (28:06):
Okay.
I love
Devonnie (28:07):
Okay.
Lizzie (28:08):
I'm a little obsessed.
Yeah.
Devonnie (28:10):
yeah.
That's good.
Well, okay, so that'sinteresting because next
question, is there a specificauthor that got you hooked on
romance and erotica and is itthe series?
It sounds like the series waslike your favorite or a tipping
point,
Lizzie (28:22):
so it's a rabbit hole of, I've always been kind of
into romance.
Like I wanna say my first likeerotica book was The Sleeping
Beauty and Rice.
Devonnie (28:34):
Same.
Lizzie (28:34):
Or no.
I take that back.
I used to read the HarlequinBlaze and sentence silhouettes,
but I stopped because I likeformulaic.
But you have to be in the mood.
And it's chapter two was thefirst chapter of sex, and then
it would be no sex for a bit,and then it would go back into
sex.
But then I read Anne Rice theSleeping Beauty trilogy, and I
was like, oh my God.
You can have a book that's justsex and it's kinky
Devonnie (28:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (28:56):
is amazing.
Devonnie (28:58):
Right.
Lizzie (28:59):
I was in my twenties at this was like two decades ago,
so I didn't really know how tofind this stuff and I was like,
oh, well maybe the covers willtell me if the books are like
that.
And I would pick up books atused bookstores.
And I'm like, no, these booksare like very tame.
I give up.
So then years later, and this isactually what got me started
writing and publishing is one ofmy best friends.
But DM r all Femme Dungeons andDragon Sessions during Covid, I,
(29:23):
she's narrated a few audio booksand sh I listened to hers to
started out as oh, I'm gonna dipmy feet in.
'cause I've never really doneaudiobook and I wanna be
supportive.
And the last chapter of thefirst book, it's suddenly my
best friend like talking verydirty and I love her, but that's
not something I typically hearfrom her.
(29:44):
She was always very clear, likeour d and d games, like a few of
us had to make a separate serverif our characters wanted to get
a little kinky'cause she was notabout that.
So we were polite and took itelsewhere.
But I remember I came home froma walk and my husband's looking
at me and he is she's talkingreal dirty to you right now.
And he's, I was like, he's I cantell you look so uncomfortable
right now.
(30:05):
I was like, it's very weirdbecause I'm used to her doing
the voices and stuff from d andd, so it's, this is very much on
par.
But then she would find me audiobooks for a bit.
I would tell her what I want.
And she would find them.
And then I was like, I want aChristmas romance where it's
Santa and Krampus, but they'repeople, so it's like a hallmark
(30:26):
but spicy.
So he doesn't really Krampusisn't like a straight up
monster.
Like maybe he'll get horns atsome point, but Krampus is like
businessman that likes to punishand Santa's praise kink.
And she's yeah, I don't thinkthat exists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's sweetie, that doesn'texist.
You're gonna have to write it.
Jordan (30:44):
Yeah.
Lizzie (30:45):
I got a few chapters I've started and finished a few
times.
So we'll see if that ever comesout.
Jordan (30:50):
I love that.
If you need to bounce ideas offof anyone, I am
Devonnie (30:55):
That actually sounds so good and also very apt
because of course Santa would bea good boy.
You know, like of
Lizzie (31:01):
he likes when people are good.
Yeah.
He doesn't like when people are
Devonnie (31:03):
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
Lizzie (31:06):
is very much likes when people are naughty.
Jordan (31:08):
Yeah.
He likes the degradation and,
Devonnie (31:11):
And to punish a little bit.
We love that.
Lizzie (31:13):
also because of that, I got really into audio books.
And then I discovered all theQueen's Men by Kim Lorraine
Devonnie (31:21):
I feel like I know that one.
Lizzie (31:23):
You might full cast, duet narration, Stella Hunter,
which is also her as the mainfemale lead.
And that was my first full castduet audiobook.
So from that I discovered KimLorraine.
So then I started, I joined her,went to her website, signed up
for her like Little Street team,and joined her Patreon and then
(31:45):
she co-wrote the mate games withMeg Ann.
Jordan (31:50):
Oh
Devonnie (31:51):
circle
Lizzie (31:51):
yeah so I actually got like the original promo box when
the first book came out, which Iwas not expecting.
I just was like, oh, I'm gonnaget like an advanced copy ebook
of it and then something comesin the mail that's complete with
an actual book and audiobookcode.
And I've been getting arcs forall the books since then, and I
love it because.
(32:13):
With the Make game series, we'reup to the fourth series.
Each book has four, or eachseries has four books.
They pull in from the universesof their prior writings that
were separate.
Jordan (32:24):
Oh, cool.
Lizzie (32:25):
these, yeah, so the first series Make Games War is
actually like second gencharacters from series that they
wrote before they started cocollaborating.
Devonnie (32:33):
I
Jordan (32:34):
Oh, that's fun.
Devonnie (32:36):
really fun.
Yeah.
Jordan (32:37):
What a way to include both of your original characters
and.
Devonnie (32:42):
That's really cool.
I like that.
I don't know if I know anyoneelse doing that, so that's
Lizzie (32:47):
yeah.
So the same person that got mestarted writing kind of
inadvertently helped me find myfavorite series too.
So
Jordan (32:53):
Cool.
Devonnie (32:54):
Oh, that's really nice.
I like that full circle moment.
Jordan (32:56):
Yeah.
Lizzie (32:57):
that's what, well, in a volume one, it's actually
dedicated to that friend.
When I gave, she came.
Devonnie (33:02):
I did see that
Lizzie (33:03):
She came for my birthday and I handed her book and she
started crying when she read thededication, and I was like, no,
it's.
Jordan (33:11):
I would've been like, yes, I made you cry, so you're
so nice.
You're so kind.
Devonnie (33:17):
I actually always look forward to making people cry.
I'm always like, yes.
Made you cry.
Not in a bad way, not in a meangirl way, but in a, I'm so
overcome with emotion way, youknow?
Jordan (33:28):
Depends on the situation.
I'll go either way
Devonnie (33:33):
Sick.
Jordan (33:36):
and that's why I choose.
I love Nixon, but that's why Ichoose Poppy.
But anyways, I digress back tothat.
Lizzie (33:43):
But see, I choose who I choose for a reason,
Jordan (33:46):
Yeah, why choose is always the best.
So what, those are some of yourlike big reads from just your
whole reading journey.
But what about this last year?
Has there been any recent readsthat have stuck out to you
recently
Lizzie (34:03):
Grave matters.
Jordan (34:05):
Oh yeah.
Devonnie (34:07):
Karina Halle.
Lizzie (34:08):
'cause my book club got in on the arc and I was on the
plane coming home fromDisneyland.
When I read it, and apparentlynobody else in the book club had
started it yet, so I'm on theplanes wifi typing like
incoherent.
Panic mode and using the discordspoiler tags on my things and
(34:29):
everybody else is oh my God,what is going on?
And I'm like, this book, you'remaking me read it alone.
I hate you all.
And
Devonnie (34:35):
Yeah.
Lizzie (34:35):
so then when they all started reading, they were going
back to see my things and liketrying to be, and they're like,
oh my God, you weren't kidding.
'cause I think somebody put itup on their Instagram.
Like my reactions, because it'sjust constantly what the fuck?
What the fuck?
Oh my God, what the fuck isgoing on?
I think I, oh no, it's this.
It's just, it was very much likeme panicking and it was like the
most, oh, I loved it.
(34:58):
I loved it so much.
Jordan (35:00):
I've heard nothing but amazing things about grave
matter and I have been just likewaiting to read it.
But I also, with the pod comesome and all the arcs I sign up
for come responsible.
Reading so,
Devonnie (35:16):
read responsibly.
Jordan (35:17):
so Grave Matter is one of those books that I have like
ready to read the moment that westop recording for the season,
and that'll be part of my like
Lizzie (35:28):
You need to let me, you gotta let me know your reactions
when you read it.
'cause I feel like that's one ofthose books, I knew exactly what
was gonna happen, but it was sooutlandish to me that I'd
convinced myself I was wrong andcame up with a whole new theory.
And then when things startedhappening, I was like, wait, I
was right.
I don't know if I liked that.
I was right, but I was
Jordan (35:49):
oh, interesting.
Okay.
You do have an arc.
It's on the, it's on the secondshelf in the back, like top
second, row top.
I just organized her books forher, so
Lizzie (36:01):
well, yeah, because then,
Jordan (36:02):
from the left on the top and the back.
Devonnie (36:04):
I hate that you, I hate that you knew exactly where
it was.
Jordan (36:08):
Yes.
Lizzie (36:09):
wait, because then she was at Book and Crowns, so we
had to get the.
Devonnie (36:13):
That's where I got this from.
I got it from Book Gowns andCrowns, and I read the first
couple chapter.
I think I've only read like thefirst three chapters.
What?
But the writing Korean Halleyhas this really beautiful gift
of writing spookily.
Like it's just, it's verythere's a word I'm like, when
I'm reading, when I read thefirst couple chapters, I could
feel it in my environment alittle bit.
It just felt like I was beingwatched or like things were just
(36:36):
like tri triggering my brain alittle bit.
So I can't wait to finish that.
I have some theories already,like within the first couple
pages you're like, hold on,what's going on there?
Lizzie (36:47):
It does a very good like shutter island vibe, so you
don't know what's going
Jordan (36:52):
I loved Shutter
Lizzie (36:53):
So like even if you think you know what's going on,
you're second guessingeverything.
Devonnie (36:59):
Yeah.
Lizzie (37:00):
Yeah.
It does a very
Devonnie (37:01):
get that vibe a
Lizzie (37:02):
it does a really good job of putting you in her shoes
yeah.
Devonnie (37:05):
it.
I know.
I can't wait to read it.
Yeah, I'm excited.
I can't wait till, yeah, I,again, we have to read
responsibly so I can't finish itbecause there's honestly just so
much to read.
But I, you know, as soon as Igot it from BGC, I love Carina
Holly.
She's one of my favoriteauthors, but also she's just
aje, like just a nice humanbeing.
So I love supporting her.
And I was flipping through thecouple, I was like, oh my gosh.
I just know I may eat this bookup, but I can't right now.
(37:28):
Karina, if you're listening tothis, babe, sorry, I haven't
finished it yet.
Lizzie (37:32):
I finished it in two days because I had to stop
sleeping so I could.
Devonnie (37:36):
could finish it it has that vibe a little bit, I think.
Lizzie (37:39):
Yeah.
I was not gonna be able to restuntil I got to the end.
Devonnie (37:44):
Yeah.
Once I'm reading it.
Well, I'll be sure to hit you upoh my god.
Lizzie (37:48):
Yes.
Jordan (37:50):
I love books like that where it's like an instant, you
know, this is gonna stay withyou for a long time.
Devonnie (37:56):
Yeah.
Was that the main one from lastyear or did you have any other
books that hit you like thattoo?
Lizzie (38:01):
I mean, if you want me to keep plugging the mate games,
'cause that's when the that'swhen the death series came out.
So that one I wa I was reallyloving too.
It was just, but then graveMatter came in at the end and I
was just, okay.
Yeah, no, that's, that kind ofchanged my whole year for me.
Past that book in the makegames.
(38:21):
I almost don't remember whatelse I read I read a lot around
Christmas.
Uh, the, I wanna say, oh, letme, the Christmas Paw Wars or
War Paws, the Christmas Warpaws.
Jordan (38:33):
Oh,
Lizzie (38:34):
it's a, about two vets.
I saw it on threads and it was areally good they were childhood
well.
Childhood ash, like youngerlovers, and then they had a
falling out.
It's a novella.
It's a very quick read, but likewhen they start hooking up
(38:55):
again, they haven't made up yet.
It's like you don't see enoughhate fucking in books
Jordan (39:00):
Yeah.
Lizzie (39:01):
of the most amazing hate fucking ever.
Jordan (39:04):
Yes.
You.
I've been waiting for someone tosay that I really have, like
Lizzie (39:10):
well.
Well, and where they chose tohate.
Fuck.
The, any of that would be thelast thing on my mind when, you
know, you're stranded andprobably going to die, but, you
know.
Jordan (39:19):
Love it.
What else are you gonna do?
Devonnie (39:21):
Right.
True.
Yeah.
The circumstances kind of guide.
Guide that situation there.
Jordan (39:26):
As someone who loves Bully Romance, I have to say I
am all for hate fucking.
Devonnie (39:30):
Yeah I don't know, I don't think I've read a good
one.
The, it's really not hate, yeah,I think you're right.
Like the books I've read wherethey're like, oh, angry at each
other y'all don't hate eachother enough like this seems
like you're having fun, youknow?
Lizzie (39:42):
Okay, so Christmas War Paws and it's PAWS because the,
there's vets, there's dogs byTherese m Clark.
an Enemies to Lovers RomcomChristmas novella.
Second Chance.
It's just.
Devonnie (39:57):
I feel like I know that author Theresa M.
Clark there, M Clark.
Do I know that?
Did she write chaser?
No, that I might be thinking ofa different
Lizzie (40:06):
I just, it, it's when I was like going crazy on
Christmas books after I gotcoming for Christmas written, I
was like, and now I'm gonnaactually enjoy reading Christmas
books for a change.
And
Devonnie (40:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (40:17):
such a fun read.
I'm sure there were others, butthat was one of the ones that
like really stuck out.
Jordan (40:22):
Nice.
So you have sorry, I just lostall my shit.
You obviously ob dnce volumetwo, you're publishing is coming
out April 5th.
After that, you're just gonnakeep throwing stuff out on your
Patreon.
What's your next big, likewhat's your, what are your next
goals?
Lizzie (40:41):
I would like.
Devonnie (40:42):
right.
Sorry.
It's Therese.
Therese m Clark.
I had to look it up.
It would've bothered me allnight.
Therese m Clark also wroteChaser.
Yes.
Good.
But great.
All right.
My brain can rest.
Thank you.
Jordan (40:55):
And so can everyone else.
Lizzie (40:58):
Big goals are eventually long-term finish out obedience.
I think I can, it's gonna be atleast another volume or two
before that happens.
'cause there's some things I'mgonna definitely wanna flush
out.
I would really like at somepoint.
In the near future to get I dyedfinished up, and then I'll
(41:19):
probably try to pump out anovella.
There's something I just startedworking on in between the other
stuff that I'll see how it feelswriting it.
I like novellas because I canget an idea out really quickly
But not, but I'm not obsessedwith all of them.
Lately, late when I write Nixonand Poppy, I get really in a
zone.
Unlike any of the other Char,I'm like in a very specific zone
(41:42):
when I write them.
So it's really easy to writethem.
So
Jordan (41:47):
They do, they have their own.
Well, it's just such a bigchemist, like just, I just love
them.
And I know Lizzie's warned meabout them.
I know.
Lizzie (42:01):
it's not like nobody's gonna have a happy ever after.
It just might not be the waypeople think.
Jordan (42:06):
It's a happily ever after four now.
Lizzie (42:09):
Yeah,
Devonnie (42:10):
interesting.
Jordan (42:12):
Which is very, that, listen, I could do a whole
episode on Poppy and Nickie.
Like I,
Lizzie (42:19):
I could too.
Jordan (42:21):
I could do that.
And I don't even know all, Ihaven't even read technically
all of the content for them.
I've only read the two publishedworks, so
Lizzie (42:30):
Well, I tell my husband about a lot of what I write, but
those two I tell him next tonothing because I don't want him
to get mad because there's somethings that I've borrowed from
him for Nixon.
Jordan (42:44):
Oh,
Lizzie (42:45):
Which is funny because my,'cause my husband is not
bisexual like Nixon is, so Idon't know if he would
appreciate, he's very supportiveof me and we have a child that
is Pan and he is very supportiveat that, but I don't think he'd
necessarily be chill aboutvaguely basing a character.
But yet, no.
Like the
Jordan (43:03):
My instinct is like to think, I'm like, I'm just gonna
shut that down right now.
Lizzie (43:07):
well because the.
The pelvic tattoos.
That's something that my husbandused to really want.
And then like he got, like afterhe got his first tattoo, he is I
am not as into tattoos as youare.
He is not that I wouldn't havethem, but like they are not as
great as you seem to think
Jordan (43:22):
That's hilarious because I love Nixon's tattoos so much.
When I read them, I ran to myhusband.
I'm like, listen to thesetattoos.
Devonnie (43:32):
y'all about your husbands.
Lizzie (43:34):
Well, and then hi.
His Spider-Man.
My husband's not that obsessedwith Spider-Man, but the pairing
'cause how on one of his sleevesit's black Cat in Peter Parker.
That's one of my husband'spreferred pairings for them.
So I kind of put little nods tohim in there.
Jordan (43:49):
Oh, but you won't tell him about it.
I love, but you just don't tellhim about it.
Lizzie (43:53):
well, so to be fair, if I like one, he's very artistic
himself, but we're very like.
Different on what we share.
And the last time I reallyshared in detail something I was
writing, it was spoiler alert.
There is a part in I died whereshe's actually not herself in
the book when she wakes up inthat, she wakes up in the body
(44:16):
of a side character
Jordan (44:18):
Oh,
Lizzie (44:20):
and causes a little drama and one of the characters,
gets a little like brutallyattacked by another one as kind
of an I, almost like an I loveyou, I'm pr like you want some
touch her and die.
Devonnie (44:34):
Oh, it's giving to And
Lizzie (44:36):
No.
Like he literally tries, likeone of'em literally tries to
kill the other at first.
And I'm describing in greatdetail the scene about like
limbs coming off.
And my husband's what the hellis your problem?
I'm like, that's not a, I'mlike, it's not one of the sexy
scenes.
It's not meant to be sexy.
And he's well, God, I would hopenot.
Jordan (44:54):
Which there are some scenes like that.
I feel like we've talked aboutthose on this spot.
Like
Lizzie (45:00):
like it's well after the bound on the alter sex scene.
Nobody's having sex anymore atthis point.
Yeah.
Jordan (45:06):
cleaned up.
That's
Devonnie (45:08):
Yeah.
This is war.
This is
Lizzie (45:10):
like more sex happens, like in the chapter after.
But this is a moment of youknow, reset with some like
mutilation
Devonnie (45:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (45:19):
Dismemberment.
Devonnie (45:20):
Right.
Oh, normal.
Lizzie (45:22):
yes, so I get kind of nervous sharing with him now
because he was he'll, he'sbrought it up from time to time,
be like like that thing youwrote.
And I'm like,
Jordan (45:31):
All right, judge mc Judger said, let's just tone it
down.
Lizzie (45:34):
Yeah.
Devonnie (45:35):
Well, I hope he doesn't decide to, you know, be
supportive and listen to thisepisode.
'cause boy, anything you wannalistening?
Lizzie (45:43):
you, baby.
Jordan (45:46):
He didn't make it this far.
It's fine.
He's I listen to most of it.
I'm
Devonnie (45:49):
I'm out.
Yeah.
Oh.
Jordan (45:55):
Perfect.
Devonnie (45:57):
I love that.
I love that.
Well, I mean, Lizzie, is thereanything else you wanna share?
I definitely want you to dropyour Patreon information, but if
there are any other books youwanna tell us that's coming, any
other platforms, your Discord,
Lizzie (46:11):
if you go to my website, you can find most everything,
lizzie b brown.com.
I try to make it very simple,there's even an invite to my
discord there.
I try not to plan books too faron in advance.
Because I have such a sporadicwriting style, I don't wanna say
something's coming out on nextdate and it not come out.
'cause I don't
Devonnie (46:29):
I love that about.
I love that.
I love that.
Thank
Lizzie (46:32):
Once it's to a point where I can give it to the
editor, that's usually when I'llbe like, Hey, I have a date.
So maybe by the end of this yearor early next year, there'll be
obedience volume three.
I'm in kind of a heavy point ofthe story.
So it's been a little difficult'cause I'm trying to get past
somebody's tantrum.
Devonnie (46:50):
Is your character having this tantrum without your
like say, so
Lizzie (46:54):
Yeah, no, it he's a very, he's a very difficult,
sensitive boy, and he doesn'tlike Joshua right now.
Jordan (47:02):
Oh, I can, okay.
Well, Lizzie
Devonnie (47:07):
Interesting.
Lizzie (47:08):
So my beta readers, by, by the time Friendsgiving came
out, my beta readers knew somuch more about obedience that
they were like actually reallyconfused and that's why I knew
the book needed to come out andthen coming for Christmas, and
they're like, I know how thingsare gonna happen in the future,
but I kind of like it how it'slike this right now.
And I'm like, I'm sorry.
Jordan (47:29):
Actually, I can't wait because, okay.
We can talk after therecording's done, so everybody
doesn't have to hear me go offabout a certain someone,
Lizzie (47:36):
But, and like I want to eventually get enough of Janet
story out that I can startreleasing volumes.
I don't think I would ever dothat for the bucket list because
it's it's a little too.
Surrealistic that I don't thinkit would play as well, even in a
volume setting.
Janet's story probably wouldthough.
But I think my next big pushoutside of getting more
obedience l is to get my darkparanormal.
(47:59):
Why Choose Done?
Because at least the first book,because it's so much fun and
I've actually had a narrator dothe first chapter.
Devonnie (48:09):
That's big.
Lizzie (48:10):
like she, she asked for her Patreon if she could, and
she cast and I was like, go forit.
Jordan (48:16):
Yeah.
Devonnie (48:17):
amazing.
Yeah, and that, I'm sure thatgets you excited too, to keep
writing the character,especially when you can hear it
and keep writing the
Lizzie (48:23):
she's enjoying reading what I have so far, so that's
been my real big push to finishit.
I'm like, somebody's enjoyingit, so therefore I can keep
writing it.
Devonnie (48:30):
Right, right.
Yeah.
We need the little push.
We need the
Lizzie (48:34):
Joshua's kind of me at times, so I need the praise.
Devonnie (48:39):
You know, I too require the
Lizzie (48:42):
Well, that's I joke.
Joshua is me
Jordan (48:43):
both doing really well.
You're both doing really well.
Lizzie (48:46):
Joshua's me now.
Jordan (48:47):
whole interview
Lizzie (48:48):
at my late twenties when I was a little more reckless.
So it's if I was like datingmyself, I guess.
Devonnie (48:54):
Oh,
Jordan (48:54):
Oh,
Devonnie (48:55):
I love that.
Lizzie (48:56):
But yeah, but you can find everything at my website,
the Patreon, the contentwarnings.
I do tell people, check thecontent warnings.
'cause some of my I'm prettynumb to a lot of stuff, so I
don't think about it when I'mwriting it.
So I try to, when I go in afterthe fact, make sure I give
people the heads up.
'cause the last thing I want issomebody to see something they
don't want.
Devonnie (49:14):
I love that.
And Lizzie, you wanna drop yourhandle on socials.
That way our followers can, orlisteners can know where to get
you.
Lizzie (49:20):
So on TikTok, it's just at Lizzie B.
Brown on Instagram and Threads,it's Lizzie b Brown.
Devonnie (49:30):
Perfect.
Love that.
Thank you so much for being onthe pod with us.
Lizzie.
I can't wait to read more.
I'm really interested in theparanormal romance
Lizzie (49:40):
thing
Devonnie (49:41):
waking up in your
Lizzie (49:42):
the nice thing about my Patreon, it's, there's several
tiers, but they all get you thesame thing.
So like I want it to be where ifsomebody wants to go the lower
tier because that's what theycan afford, then that's what
they can do.
Devonnie (49:55):
actually really sweet.
Yeah, that's really nice.
I love that.
All right.
Well, thanks for listening to usramble about all things Lizzie B
Brown and all the books you havecurrently out and upcoming.
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Jordan (50:29):
Thank you so
Devonnie (50:30):
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Lizzie (50:31):
Yay.
Welcome to Romance Recs.
We are three romance obsessedbesties, sharing book res,
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I'm Jordan.
I am currently listening toRebel Witch by Kristen
Cicirelli, and I am readingQueen of Annihilation by Devyn
(00:27):
Sinclair, and I'm about tostart.
Obedience Volume two by LizzieB.
Brown
Devonnie (00:36):
I love that.
Hey guys, this is Dev.
I am actually reading andlistening to Wild Side by Elsie
Silver, and that's pretty muchit right now.
That's all I got.
Jordan (00:51):
and instead of Christina today we have.
Lizzie (00:56):
Lizzie.
Hi,
Devonnie (00:58):
Woohoo.
Jordan (00:58):
Yay.
Devonnie (00:59):
Welcome Lizzie to the pod.
Lizzie (01:01):
woo.
I'm currently reading Craving InHis Blood by Zoe Draven.
I just started it.
It's the second book in aseries.
I loved the first book and I'vebeen getting kind of a slump
lately.
So vampires in space.
Jordan (01:17):
Oh, nice.
Devonnie (01:19):
Yeah.
I love that.
That's up my alley.
I love a little sci-fi, but Ialso am obsessed with vampires,
so I feel like I need to writethat down.
Lizzie (01:27):
Yeah,
Jordan (01:28):
for a slump, like very
Lizzie (01:30):
is.
Jordan (01:31):
So buckle up for some bookish banter.
I'll throw that in.
Make sure we get that in therefor Christina.
She's not here.
Devonnie (01:37):
I know.
That's her little tag.
I'm so excited to have Lizzie onthe pod.
Jordan (01:41):
I know, uh, for those of you that don't remember that
haven't listened to everythingwe've had, I have recommended a
couple of Lizzie's books.
I think I found you onlinealmost a year ago.
I was, I don't even rememberhow, uh, but I looked back and I
(02:02):
read, uh, Friendsgiving withBenefits last May.
And I just kind of fell in lovewith your characters.
Lizzie (02:11):
thank you.
Say most people that find me,it's kind of random.
A lot of people are like, Ithink I saw you on TikTok live a
couple years ago.
Okay,
Devonnie (02:21):
that's so interesting.
Jordan (02:23):
That's awesome.
The book too just intrigued meand I just fell in love.
So we're so excited to have youhere and chat about your books
and just just the whole writing,putting out your books into the
world but before we get startedI forgot to ask you if you came
with a quote,
Devonnie (02:43):
yeah.
Lizzie (02:44):
So I actually The other thing I've been reading a lot
lately is obedience volume two,since it's coming out soon.
And one of my favorite quotesfrom it is.
Hold up.
Were you naked busting in onhim, or is was he naked when you
burst in?
Ah, it's always a mouthful, butyeah, hold up.
Were you naked
Devonnie (03:04):
Were you naked?
Lizzie (03:05):
or was he naked?
When you burst in?
It's a very out of contextquote, but I love it.
Devonnie (03:11):
Okay.
Jordan (03:12):
But people are naked.
People are busted.
Good.
It's,
Devonnie (03:16):
Naked and busting is all you need to know.
Lizzie (03:18):
Yeah.
Devonnie (03:19):
okay.
I have a quote too.
I thought this would be a primetime to, uh, think back to when
I read Kissing the Coronavirus.
Jordan (03:31):
I don't know when that's ever a good idea, but,
Devonnie (03:35):
Anytime's a good time to discuss the coronavirus and
its impact on our nation in ourcountry.
In our world.
Okay.
In our planet,
Jordan (03:42):
in this economy, really
Devonnie (03:44):
Yes.
And I thought since we would betalking to Lizzie, who, you
know, writes erotica, that thiswould be a wonderful time to
combine the seriousness of thecoronavirus and erotica.
So here we go.
Jordan (03:57):
I'm gonna have nightmares.
Devonnie (04:01):
Alexa felt a rush of excitement every time she picked
up the Corona sample, like apulsating, erect penis.
Jordan (04:09):
Oh,
Devonnie (04:10):
to unleash its devastation on anyone who
touched it.
Jordan (04:15):
Stop it.
Why?
Yeah.
Lizzie (04:18):
That's some actual quality writing right there,
though.
Devonnie (04:22):
I think it was superb.
I think it was succinct.
I think we understand thedevastation that's going to be,
you know, released.
I think the throbbing pulsatingpenis comparison really lets you
know what you're getting into.
So you're welcome.
Jordan hates me.
Jordan (04:42):
Well, I am gonna read a quote from, sorry.
I just, that's fucking bookevery time.
I hate it so much.
I just feel a little sick.
I feel like I have thecoronavirus a little bit every
time I hear it.
Devonnie (04:58):
I never want to have the coronavirus ever again after
reading this book, but thankyou.
Jordan (05:03):
Oh.
Anyways, so my quote today isfrom Coming for Christmas by
Lizzie, be Brown.
Devonnie (05:15):
Not coming for Christmas
Jordan (05:16):
Oh yeah.
There's lots of coming forChristmas, But a lot of cumings
and different bars.
Marry me poppy.
Three little words, the samerequest after every blowjob, but
for the first time, I held realhope.
Devonnie (05:35):
Poor thing.
Jordan (05:36):
Poor, little nixy,
Devonnie (05:38):
I hate that.
Not marry me every time.
Jordan (05:41):
for those of you that haven't read Friendsgiving with
benefits or.
Coming for Christmas.
Poppy and Nixon are the best offriends with the best of
benefits, and after everyblowjob, he always asks her to
marry him because Poppy's justthat amazing and she just
brushes it off'cause it's ajoke.
(06:02):
But until it's not so much ajoke.
Lizzie (06:06):
That's the funny thing is that's the, like he.
I thought it was kind of a funnything to do that like he's dead
serious every time and he justdoesn't seem to understand
that's not the time to do it.
Jordan (06:18):
It is the post nut clarity really.
It's too clear.
It's too much clarity.
Devonnie (06:24):
I, if someone ever asked me to marry them after
that context, I would throatpunch them.
'cause like right now, really?
No.
Jordan (06:33):
Yeah.
But if it's like you're, ifyou're like friends with
benefits, they're just like.
Oh my God.
Marry me.
Oh, that was such a good gl.
That's funny.
If that's your ba,
Lizzie (06:42):
Exactly.
Jordan (06:43):
they banter.
Devonnie (06:44):
it, yeah.
Funny banter, but like reallyasking me to marry you after
that.
Lizzie (06:49):
the joke.
Jordan (06:50):
their
Lizzie (06:51):
Yeah, he does.
She doesn't know he's serious.
He just always
Devonnie (06:54):
That's what I'm
Lizzie (06:55):
Yeah.
Like
Devonnie (06:56):
That's what I'm saying.
He's serious.
Lizzie (06:59):
serious and she's just oh.
And
Devonnie (07:02):
What
Lizzie (07:03):
yeah.
Jordan (07:04):
I love Poppy man.
I love Poppy so much.
Sorry.
We'll get into that.
But another reason we have youon right now is because volume
two of obedience is coming out.
April April 5th.
Little asmr.
Thank you Dev with
Devonnie (07:21):
You're welcome.
Jordan (07:21):
volume one there.
'cause this is an audio podcast,not a visual one.
But tell us about obedience andwhat you have coming out and
what's going on.
Lizzie (07:33):
obedience started as a serial on Kindle Villa which is
no longer a thing, but I dostill have it ongoing on my
Patreon.
I loved Villa.
Devonnie (07:42):
It was fun.
Lizzie (07:42):
but it's essentially the opening concept was what's the
one thing.
That people tend to be reallyicky about age gap.
Besides the gap in age.
And when I talk to a lot ofpeople, it's the under most
circumstances, especially whenit comes to like more taboo and
forbidden romance, the olderperson is always in a position
(08:04):
of power.
So can the younger person evertruly consent?
It's always dubious consent atbest.
And I was like.
I could have a little fun withthat.
So Obedience is a collegeprofessor that is submissive to
his student and you get like alittle bit of both of their POVs
and you see that he is genuinelysubmissive.
(08:26):
She is genuinely in control.
This isn't necessarily just onlyrole play in the bedroom.
Although to be fair, he doesn'trealize she's his student.
The first time they hook up.
He's in another state.
He has no reason to believe he'sgonna see her ever again, and
then the first day of the newsemester starts.
Jordan (08:49):
I think that's what allowed me to stay hooked is
just like knowing that they hadthat connection first.
It wasn't like.
Devonnie (08:55):
wasn't like.
Jordan (08:56):
A professor seeing their student in that moment, it was
because when he did see her inthat setting, it was an, oh
fuck.
Devonnie (09:05):
That's one of my favorite I don't know if it's a
trope, it's something I love.
I think sometimes it, it getspredictable, like in movies and
stuff when you see it play out.
But I love reading that momentwhere it's oh, y'all did it and
y'all are about to like worktogether or be at school
together, or, that's now yourkid's nanny.
Or you know, I love when it'sthat.
(09:25):
Oh shit.
Look who's popped back up, sothat was nice.
Lizzie (09:31):
Yeah, and I read a lot of I love age gap.
I read a lot of age gap andprofessor and student stuff, so
it's kind of funny that I
Jordan (09:40):
No shame here.
Lizzie (09:41):
yeah, I
Devonnie (09:41):
Yeah.
Lizzie (09:42):
twist on it.
'cause like for me the professorcould actually pursue his
student, like openly and I wouldbe like, yeah, that's cool.
But I was like, you know what Ithink this is a challenge.
I wanna see if I can do this.
And it turned out like workingbetter than I thought it would
because especially as somebodythat's.
In my early forties at thispoint, like realizing that when
(10:05):
you're an adult you don't knowwhat the hell you're doing
still.
So I was able to play a lot intothat where when you read the
book, like she is definitely themore immature out of the two.
But there are moments where Itry to have it be a little more
real where it's, he does notknow what he's doing.
He's floundering at moments.
But in that there's still a lotof spice.
One of the other things I triedto do is even though the
(10:26):
relationship is more of a domsub adjacent, I the first book
is them kind of just going intoit blind.
Neither one of them is part ofthe kink scene.
They don't really wanna labelanything.
So it's kind of a look at whathappens.
When you dive in head first,have no idea what you're doing
and don't know about properlycommunicating and setting clear
(10:48):
boundaries, because I think mostpeople in their day-to-day lives
is if you're not in, if you'renot in the kink scene, you don't
necessarily know what you'redoing.
You read books, you might see acouple movies, and you're like,
oh, that's how it works.
And then book two, volume two.
You're gonna see more growthwhere they're both okay, if this
is going to be a thing, we doneed to actually communicate.
(11:10):
We do need to start using labelsif for no other reason than to
make sure we understand what ourroles are so we understand each
other.
Jordan (11:19):
I love
Lizzie (11:20):
You also get introductions of more characters
on the side,
Jordan (11:27):
excited
Devonnie (11:28):
love side characters.
Lizzie (11:29):
characters that you already know.
Jordan (11:31):
Yeah, I'm so nervous.
A good kind of nervous,
Devonnie (11:36):
So I feel like you kind of just pretty much told
us, uh, a little bit of yourcatalog and like what you've got
besides obedience and Poppy andNicks.
What other things are youworking
Lizzie (11:48):
so I have, two other serials that started out on
Kindle Villa that are still onPatreon that are actually
obedience spinoffs.
So in obedience, he's got hisbest friend Eddie.
And Eddie has another bestfriend, Carla, and they actually
have their own kind of littleside POV chapter in volume one.
(12:11):
But they actually have their owncereal called the Bucket List,
where Carla has had the hots forEddie for like ages.
They work together.
But like it's one of those, he,there's people and there's
women, and then there's Carla.
I.
So she's not women, so herespects her.
And it's one of those where ifyou were to talk to Eddie, he
(12:31):
doesn't think he's misogynisticand disrespectful.
He is very respectful of women.
But the fact that he treatsCarla different because she's
not women, kind of speaksvolumes to his and as a
character.
But basically like their storyis they kind of start to
realize, like he realizes hemight actually have feelings for
her and.
(12:52):
She takes advantage of themoment when something happens
between them and it was like,Hey, I've never really been
kinky.
Why don't I like make a sexbucket list and you help me
cross things off of it.
And so that is where it followstheir relationship.
That's actually where Nixon andPoppy first appear is their
(13:14):
serial is Poppy, is Carla'sboss.
Jordan (13:20):
Oh
Lizzie (13:20):
And Nixon is their office mate.
Like they all work in an officewith two other characters that
you see in Nixon and Poppy's nveand coming for Christmas.
Carla just doesn't typicallyhang out with them because she's
not the nerd that they are.
Jordan (13:36):
cause they do cost play and stuff together.
That's how a lot of them met.
And
Lizzie (13:39):
yeah and.
Carla just follows Eddie aroundto the sports bars and whatnot
and hikes with him and is prettymuch wherever he's at.
And then the other serial iscalled Janet's story.
Janet is Joshua's ex.
The kind of reason that Joshuais where he's at the beginning
of obedience volume two, and herstory is an age gap MFM, where
(14:04):
one of the guys is 12 yearsolder and one of the guys is 12
years younger.
And you wanna talk about thoselike gotcha moments?
She doesn't know it when shestarts a relationship with each
man and they don't know iteither, but it's like the
younger one the older guy's, theyounger one's dad's best friend.
Jordan (14:25):
I was waiting for a connection.
Devonnie (14:26):
yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (14:27):
like,
Lizzie (14:28):
it's the guy he calls uncle.
Jordan (14:30):
No.
Oh, Lizzie.
Devonnie (14:33):
no, Lizzie, he calls him uncle and he, they both
sandwich in Carla looking ateach other in the eye.
Lizzie (14:40):
Janet.
This one's Janet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (14:43):
Carla would
Lizzie (14:44):
no.
Carla.
Carla would die ofembarrassment.
Nope.
But yeah, and that actually iskind of, some scenes like that
after they find out it's, there,there's I had some fun on that
one, making some very awkwardmoments into some sexy moments,
because I will say one, one ofthem is experienced in
threesomes, and I won't tell youwhich one.
Devonnie (15:05):
Gotta be the younger one.
My money's on the
Jordan (15:09):
Can you imagine uncle teaching?
Devonnie (15:13):
That's why I have to, that's why for me, it has to be
the younger one because I don'twant uncle looking at him like
hey just shift to the left.
Really.
Yeah.
So what you wanna do is tilt.
I, I don't, I'll actually gag,but I do love a little drama in
a book, so that's definitely agood place to
Lizzie (15:30):
The, and that definitely has the drama.
And then currently I'm releasingthree stories kind of as I write
them on Patreon to kind of keepme motivated.
And one is a.
Dark paranormal romance, whiteshoes.
One is a contemporary throuplebook, and then one is a fantasy
(15:52):
that's starting out is mf buteventually will become white
shoes down the line.
It's a very slow build to theother men.
The one I'm having the most funwith right now is the Paranormal
romance.
Why choose?
It's an isaka.
I know not a lot of people knowwhat an isaka is.
Devonnie (16:08):
Yeah, please educate me.
I have no idea what you'retalking about right now.
Jordan (16:10):
about.
Lizzie (16:10):
It's a big in mostly Japanese comics, anime, et
cetera.
That's where the term came from.
You'll also see it though, in alot of web tunes and whatnot,
that the basic translation istransported to another world.
Devonnie (16:24):
Okay.
Lizzie (16:24):
the big trend the last couple years is somebody dies
and wakes up in said world,oftentimes a fictional world,
like a video game or book thatthey love.
So the paranormal romance is, Idied and woke up in my favorite
paranormal romance novel.
Devonnie (16:40):
Oh my gosh, how cute is that?
I love that
Lizzie (16:44):
chapter one is she wakes up bound to an altar in an old
church.
And this dude that looks kind offamiliar is like kind of going
off on her and she realizes it'sher favorite character from her
favorite book.
So she seduces him.
Yeah.
In chapter one is straight intochurch sex.
Devonnie (17:05):
As you also do,
Jordan (17:06):
Like Imagine Dev, you have an accident and you wake up
and you're tied down.
A ol is just there with
Devonnie (17:15):
in the ice.
Jordan (17:16):
but yeah.
And you're there.
Yeah.
And he's per your.
I mean,
Devonnie (17:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm in heaven.
Jordan (17:24):
rolling with it.
Devonnie (17:25):
right because the way the barbarians love their women
down.
I would like to be in myfavorite paranormal romance as
well.
Yeah,
Lizzie (17:34):
Exactly.
Devonnie (17:35):
great.
Jordan (17:37):
I love it.
So you have a very activePatreon.
Lizzie (17:41):
I try to, yeah.
Jordan (17:42):
yeah.
You have so much going, you haveso many projects.
So how often do you release?
What do you include in yourPatreon?
Just for anyone interested.
Lizzie (17:53):
So I, I try to release when I can at least one thing
weekly.
Like right now I have threedifferent stories releasing
weekly.
Uh, once or twice a year I mightI go on like a month hiatus to
recharge and get some like backcatalog, but.
I try to keep everything I havetrouble paying attention a lot
(18:14):
of times to what I'm doing.
So it's, I will hyper focus onone of my stories, pump out
quite a few chapters, hand'emover to my beta readers, then
focus on the next one, and Ijust keep doing like that.
So I have a lot of differentprojects going on.
'cause initially when obediencewas first released, it was
obedience.
The bucket list and Janet story,were all going at the same time
(18:36):
for a while.
There's a lot of crossoverbetween the bucket list and
obedience.
So I was having to go back andforth to give like prospective
PO fees.
So I have very long calendars inmy late folders to keep track of
who was actually where when.
Jordan (18:53):
Is that how you work best when you're doing it just
to keep the creative, like youlike to jump around?
So did this come about becausethat's how you like to write or
is this something you'veaccidentally fallen into
Lizzie (19:03):
Well, both like What the, so the fantasy story that's
on my Patreon right now into themountains of Mastria, that was
like the first one I reallytried to pound out.
But I found out after two monthsI was getting burnt out also
because fantasy needs a lot ofworld building and I'm very bad
at like sloppy first drafts, soI was getting in the weeds.
So that one it's a very slowright.
(19:27):
Whereas contemporary, theuniverse is already built for
you.
So I don't have to, I don't haveto do anything, but yeah, I have
to keep I have to keep myselfbusy and creating, but I can't
focus on one thing for too longor I lose focus completely on
what's going on in it.
So it's a by choice, but not bychoice.
(19:48):
Writing style.
Devonnie (19:50):
Yeah, I mean that, that choice actually, or that
writing style intrigues mebecause.
I like the idea of having veryclear continuity between
different books that are in yourU universe that you're building,
right?
And if you're writing them allat the same time, I feel like
everything's just so fresh andso connected.
You can jump around a littlebetter.
(20:11):
So even at some people thatmight seem chaotic, to me, that
seems like really smart.
Like that way you can flushthings out as they come along
between everything.
Lizzie (20:20):
That's actually how Friendsgiving came about was
because I realized Nixon andPoppy weren't just gonna be side
characters in the bucket list.
They were starting to take abigger role in that in a, in the
rest of the universe in general.
And I was like, I need to reallyhammer out what their backstory,
it's'cause, just'cause it's inmy head.
It's not gonna make sense to alot of people when certain
things start to happen.
(20:41):
Cough volume two, if you don'tknow their backstory.
Devonnie (20:46):
Yeah.
Lizzie (20:47):
Well, and that, and there's certain things that when
you subscribe to my Patreon,there's bonus chapters that they
started out with, things Iwasn't putting on Kindle Vela.
And they don't make it into likeobedience volume one and volume
two.
People actually have POVs thatI'm like in a book form.
It's not gonna make sense tohave these random POVs when it's
not their story.
So on Patreon you can find that.
Devonnie (21:11):
Yeah, I love that.
Jordan (21:12):
That's awesome.
Devonnie (21:14):
All right.
And then when did you actuallystart writing as far, if you
wanna talk about these series,like series that you're writing
with kind vela or like from thebeginning of time, like when did
you pick up your pen or yourcomputer and say, yeah, I'm
gonna write this.
Lizzie (21:29):
Like I've been writing on and off, like personally
since like middle school I wouldbe like up late writing weird
stories.
I'm pretty sure.
I was judged by my fellowclassmates, but to be fair, I
was writing weird stuff.
And I don't know why, I don'tknow why I was sharing it with
(21:51):
them.
I don't think any of themactually wanted to read it.
And I, I always felt kind of badonce I got older.
That was like,
Jordan (21:58):
Oh, little Lizzie.
Lizzie (21:59):
fanfiction.net.
I wrote a slayers fanfic, alemon.
For the older people that knowwhat a lemon is.
And I am so grateful that Ithink like on the first fan
fiction purge, the story wasprobably whatever, so nobody
will ever find it like,
Jordan (22:16):
One of the few things that actually got buried on the
internet.
Devonnie (22:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (22:21):
it was like the truth or dare trope it.
It was,
Jordan (22:24):
yeah.
Who didn't write one of those?
Lizzie (22:27):
Yeah.
But professionally, I.
Obedience was published, I wannasay back in 2022 on Kendall
Villa, because that was the bigthing.
Was it ipu?
I published the first episodethe day before my birthday, and
then volume one released on itstwo year anniversary.
'cause that's what I was tryingto, if I have my years right, so
Jordan (22:53):
Nice.
Lizzie (22:54):
yeah.
Devonnie (22:55):
I love that.
I know Kind velo made it reallyeasy for that style of writing
too, and you just, you wanted tokeep your readers and your
community engaged.
You can just pump out theseepisodes, like whenever
Lizzie (23:06):
I feel because it had Amazon behind it, it felt a
little more legitimate than someof the other apps that, that's
the problem is there's so manyapps like that out there that
it's very hard, plus a lot ofthem.
You can't just post and if youcan, you're not guaranteed to
make money.
Whereas Vela was nice'cause itgave authors a chance to raise
the funds.
(23:26):
A lot of people would post theirstories there before they were
books and use the money theywere making from Vela to get the
editor to clean it up and paythe cover artist and do
everything you need to publish.
So I miss it.
Jordan (23:41):
All the little things that go into the big project,
Well, I was gonna ask you likeplotter or pants, but I'd say
you're more of a pants with anoverall
Lizzie (23:53):
it's I have basic outlines in my head.
Like I know how obedience isgonna end.
It's taken a lot of twists andturns.
I have not expected, but I doknow how it's gonna end, but I
have to be careful about what Iwrite down because if I write
down too much, I'm the kind ofperson that if the outline gets
derailed, I get very like upset.
(24:14):
And if I get too detailed, thenI'm like, well, the story's
written, why do I need toactually write it now?
And then I lose interest for abit?
So
Jordan (24:21):
Okay.
Lizzie (24:22):
It's kind of that if I want it told, I have to force
myself to write it.
So I, sometimes I purposelydon't outline to make sure I get
the words down on paper first.
Jordan (24:31):
So you're like a hybrid.
Lizzie (24:32):
Yeah, I reverse outline a lot, which is probably more
work in the end, but.
It keeps me moving forward.
Jordan (24:39):
Yeah.
Devonnie (24:39):
Yeah, I think as long as you find what works for you
and the story is being written,honestly, you just gotta do it.
'cause no two riders are thesame.
So whatever works for you.
Jordan (24:51):
All right.
Let's take a break from thatInquisition and just do a little
fun game of this or that.
Let's just, we're going to justask you questions and you just
have to go with your firstinstinct.
Your preferred,
Devonnie (25:06):
No thinking, just like saying,
Jordan (25:08):
yeah, just, yeah.
And it'll just be some lightjudging and it's not a big deal.
It's the low stakes.
Low
Devonnie (25:15):
yeah.
Jordan (25:16):
game.
All right.
Uh, I'll start and then Dev cando the last few.
So
Devonnie (25:23):
Yeah.
Jordan (25:25):
physical or ebook,
Lizzie (25:27):
ebook
Jordan (25:29):
hot or ice to drink.
Lizzie (25:31):
iced.
Jordan (25:33):
Okay.
Hardback or paperback?
Lizzie (25:36):
Hardback
Jordan (25:38):
One bed or who did this to
Lizzie (25:41):
one bed,
Jordan (25:44):
last.
Okay.
Okay.
I could see that.
Yeah.
Devonnie (25:46):
Yeah.
Jordan (25:48):
I'll do one more, and then it'll be dad's term, poppy
or Nixon.
Lizzie (25:53):
Nixon.
Devonnie (25:55):
Interesting.
Jordan (25:55):
Okay.
Okay.
We can talk about that later.
Devonnie (25:57):
All right.
Standalone or series.
Lizzie (25:59):
Series
Devonnie (26:01):
Yeah.
I feel like that faded mates orenemies to lovers.
Lizzie (26:04):
faded mates
Devonnie (26:06):
Yes.
Yes.
Books that make you cry or booksthat make you laugh.
Lizzie (26:11):
books that make me laugh.
Devonnie (26:13):
Okay.
And then in no particular order,name your top three book.
Boyfriends of All Time.
Jordan (26:19):
Or girlfriends.
Devonnie (26:20):
Or Girlfriends.
Or
Lizzie (26:22):
Matthew from Lola in the Millionaires.
Jordan (26:26):
Oh, I haven't read that one yet.
That's on my forever.
Lizzie (26:28):
Don't get me.
Daddy Caleb from oh the mategames war.
Jordan (26:33):
Okay.
Devonnie (26:33):
know that one.
Lizzie (26:34):
Oh
Jordan (26:35):
these.
I know all of these.
They're all like on
Lizzie (26:38):
no, the mate games.
War is like my favorite seriesever.
I got, no, I'll get in a tangenton that.
I gotta pull myself back, backin and then, actually, no.
On that note, then, Ben, fromMake Games Pestilence, I would
round it out.
Devonnie (26:55):
Yeah, I think it's fair.
I don't, yeah, I don't know ifthe make games were
Jordan (26:58):
Coming with the Recs.
Coming with the Recs.
I
Devonnie (27:01):
good wrecks that I've never heard before.
I love getting new
Lizzie (27:05):
Yeah, no the audio books are full cast duet and so the
first book for Make games War isObsession.
I kid you not that changed mybrain chemistry.
If you read or listen to itchapter 38, like chapter 38 is
every that's how good it is.
The
Jordan (27:25):
when you remember the chapter
Devonnie (27:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (27:27):
I have gotten so many people to read that book that,
like the book club I'm in, it'sa joke like.
Anybody that's half the bookclub's probably read it because
of me and yeah, they just, youwhen new people come in, it's,
I'm going to suggest that book.
Jordan (27:44):
I love it.
I love how everyone kind of hasthose books where you just, you
remember the high you rode afterreading the book, and
specifically certain parts of itthat kind of just hit you at
random times in the day orrandom days where you're just
like, oh, I remember that.
That was a great scene.
Lizzie (28:00):
I
Devonnie (28:00):
Thinking about those characters.
Lizzie (28:02):
or five different copies at this point signed of that
series.
Jordan (28:06):
Okay.
I love
Devonnie (28:07):
Okay.
Lizzie (28:08):
I'm a little obsessed.
Yeah.
Devonnie (28:10):
yeah.
That's good.
Well, okay, so that'sinteresting because next
question, is there a specificauthor that got you hooked on
romance and erotica and is itthe series?
It sounds like the series waslike your favorite or a tipping
point,
Lizzie (28:22):
so it's a rabbit hole of, I've always been kind of
into romance.
Like I wanna say my first likeerotica book was The Sleeping
Beauty and Rice.
Devonnie (28:34):
Same.
Lizzie (28:34):
Or no.
I take that back.
I used to read the HarlequinBlaze and sentence silhouettes,
but I stopped because I likeformulaic.
But you have to be in the mood.
And it's chapter two was thefirst chapter of sex, and then
it would be no sex for a bit,and then it would go back into
sex.
But then I read Anne Rice theSleeping Beauty trilogy, and I
was like, oh my God.
You can have a book that's justsex and it's kinky
Devonnie (28:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (28:56):
is amazing.
Devonnie (28:58):
Right.
Lizzie (28:59):
I was in my twenties at this was like two decades ago,
so I didn't really know how tofind this stuff and I was like,
oh, well maybe the covers willtell me if the books are like
that.
And I would pick up books atused bookstores.
And I'm like, no, these booksare like very tame.
I give up.
So then years later, and this isactually what got me started
writing and publishing is one ofmy best friends.
But DM r all Femme Dungeons andDragon Sessions during Covid, I,
(29:23):
she's narrated a few audio booksand sh I listened to hers to
started out as oh, I'm gonna dipmy feet in.
'cause I've never really doneaudiobook and I wanna be
supportive.
And the last chapter of thefirst book, it's suddenly my
best friend like talking verydirty and I love her, but that's
not something I typically hearfrom her.
(29:44):
She was always very clear, likeour d and d games, like a few of
us had to make a separate serverif our characters wanted to get
a little kinky'cause she was notabout that.
So we were polite and took itelsewhere.
But I remember I came home froma walk and my husband's looking
at me and he is she's talkingreal dirty to you right now.
And he's, I was like, he's I cantell you look so uncomfortable
right now.
(30:05):
I was like, it's very weirdbecause I'm used to her doing
the voices and stuff from d andd, so it's, this is very much on
par.
But then she would find me audiobooks for a bit.
I would tell her what I want.
And she would find them.
And then I was like, I want aChristmas romance where it's
Santa and Krampus, but they'repeople, so it's like a hallmark
(30:26):
but spicy.
So he doesn't really Krampusisn't like a straight up
monster.
Like maybe he'll get horns atsome point, but Krampus is like
businessman that likes to punishand Santa's praise kink.
And she's yeah, I don't thinkthat exists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's sweetie, that doesn'texist.
You're gonna have to write it.
Jordan (30:44):
Yeah.
Lizzie (30:45):
I got a few chapters I've started and finished a few
times.
So we'll see if that ever comesout.
Jordan (30:50):
I love that.
If you need to bounce ideas offof anyone, I am
Devonnie (30:55):
That actually sounds so good and also very apt
because of course Santa would bea good boy.
You know, like of
Lizzie (31:01):
he likes when people are good.
Yeah.
He doesn't like when people are
Devonnie (31:03):
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
Lizzie (31:06):
is very much likes when people are naughty.
Jordan (31:08):
Yeah.
He likes the degradation and,
Devonnie (31:11):
And to punish a little bit.
We love that.
Lizzie (31:13):
also because of that, I got really into audio books.
And then I discovered all theQueen's Men by Kim Lorraine
Devonnie (31:21):
I feel like I know that one.
Lizzie (31:23):
You might full cast, duet narration, Stella Hunter,
which is also her as the mainfemale lead.
And that was my first full castduet audiobook.
So from that I discovered KimLorraine.
So then I started, I joined her,went to her website, signed up
for her like Little Street team,and joined her Patreon and then
(31:45):
she co-wrote the mate games withMeg Ann.
Jordan (31:50):
Oh
Devonnie (31:51):
circle
Lizzie (31:51):
yeah so I actually got like the original promo box when
the first book came out, which Iwas not expecting.
I just was like, oh, I'm gonnaget like an advanced copy ebook
of it and then something comesin the mail that's complete with
an actual book and audiobookcode.
And I've been getting arcs forall the books since then, and I
love it because.
(32:13):
With the Make game series, we'reup to the fourth series.
Each book has four, or eachseries has four books.
They pull in from the universesof their prior writings that
were separate.
Jordan (32:24):
Oh, cool.
Lizzie (32:25):
these, yeah, so the first series Make Games War is
actually like second gencharacters from series that they
wrote before they started cocollaborating.
Devonnie (32:33):
I
Jordan (32:34):
Oh, that's fun.
Devonnie (32:36):
really fun.
Yeah.
Jordan (32:37):
What a way to include both of your original characters
and.
Devonnie (32:42):
That's really cool.
I like that.
I don't know if I know anyoneelse doing that, so that's
Lizzie (32:47):
yeah.
So the same person that got mestarted writing kind of
inadvertently helped me find myfavorite series too.
So
Jordan (32:53):
Cool.
Devonnie (32:54):
Oh, that's really nice.
I like that full circle moment.
Jordan (32:56):
Yeah.
Lizzie (32:57):
that's what, well, in a volume one, it's actually
dedicated to that friend.
When I gave, she came.
Devonnie (33:02):
I did see that
Lizzie (33:03):
She came for my birthday and I handed her book and she
started crying when she read thededication, and I was like, no,
it's.
Jordan (33:11):
I would've been like, yes, I made you cry, so you're
so nice.
You're so kind.
Devonnie (33:17):
I actually always look forward to making people cry.
I'm always like, yes.
Made you cry.
Not in a bad way, not in a meangirl way, but in a, I'm so
overcome with emotion way, youknow?
Jordan (33:28):
Depends on the situation.
I'll go either way
Devonnie (33:33):
Sick.
Jordan (33:36):
and that's why I choose.
I love Nixon, but that's why Ichoose Poppy.
But anyways, I digress back tothat.
Lizzie (33:43):
But see, I choose who I choose for a reason,
Jordan (33:46):
Yeah, why choose is always the best.
So what, those are some of yourlike big reads from just your
whole reading journey.
But what about this last year?
Has there been any recent readsthat have stuck out to you
recently
Lizzie (34:03):
Grave matters.
Jordan (34:05):
Oh yeah.
Devonnie (34:07):
Karina Halle.
Lizzie (34:08):
'cause my book club got in on the arc and I was on the
plane coming home fromDisneyland.
When I read it, and apparentlynobody else in the book club had
started it yet, so I'm on theplanes wifi typing like
incoherent.
Panic mode and using the discordspoiler tags on my things and
(34:29):
everybody else is oh my God,what is going on?
And I'm like, this book, you'remaking me read it alone.
I hate you all.
And
Devonnie (34:35):
Yeah.
Lizzie (34:35):
so then when they all started reading, they were going
back to see my things and liketrying to be, and they're like,
oh my God, you weren't kidding.
'cause I think somebody put itup on their Instagram.
Like my reactions, because it'sjust constantly what the fuck?
What the fuck?
Oh my God, what the fuck isgoing on?
I think I, oh no, it's this.
It's just, it was very much likeme panicking and it was like the
most, oh, I loved it.
(34:58):
I loved it so much.
Jordan (35:00):
I've heard nothing but amazing things about grave
matter and I have been just likewaiting to read it.
But I also, with the pod comesome and all the arcs I sign up
for come responsible.
Reading so,
Devonnie (35:16):
read responsibly.
Jordan (35:17):
so Grave Matter is one of those books that I have like
ready to read the moment that westop recording for the season,
and that'll be part of my like
Lizzie (35:28):
You need to let me, you gotta let me know your reactions
when you read it.
'cause I feel like that's one ofthose books, I knew exactly what
was gonna happen, but it was sooutlandish to me that I'd
convinced myself I was wrong andcame up with a whole new theory.
And then when things startedhappening, I was like, wait, I
was right.
I don't know if I liked that.
I was right, but I was
Jordan (35:49):
oh, interesting.
Okay.
You do have an arc.
It's on the, it's on the secondshelf in the back, like top
second, row top.
I just organized her books forher, so
Lizzie (36:01):
well, yeah, because then,
Jordan (36:02):
from the left on the top and the back.
Devonnie (36:04):
I hate that you, I hate that you knew exactly where
it was.
Jordan (36:08):
Yes.
Lizzie (36:09):
wait, because then she was at Book and Crowns, so we
had to get the.
Devonnie (36:13):
That's where I got this from.
I got it from Book Gowns andCrowns, and I read the first
couple chapter.
I think I've only read like thefirst three chapters.
What?
But the writing Korean Halleyhas this really beautiful gift
of writing spookily.
Like it's just, it's verythere's a word I'm like, when
I'm reading, when I read thefirst couple chapters, I could
feel it in my environment alittle bit.
It just felt like I was beingwatched or like things were just
(36:36):
like tri triggering my brain alittle bit.
So I can't wait to finish that.
I have some theories already,like within the first couple
pages you're like, hold on,what's going on there?
Lizzie (36:47):
It does a very good like shutter island vibe, so you
don't know what's going
Jordan (36:52):
I loved Shutter
Lizzie (36:53):
So like even if you think you know what's going on,
you're second guessingeverything.
Devonnie (36:59):
Yeah.
Lizzie (37:00):
Yeah.
It does a very
Devonnie (37:01):
get that vibe a
Lizzie (37:02):
it does a really good job of putting you in her shoes
yeah.
Devonnie (37:05):
it.
I know.
I can't wait to read it.
Yeah, I'm excited.
I can't wait till, yeah, I,again, we have to read
responsibly so I can't finish itbecause there's honestly just so
much to read.
But I, you know, as soon as Igot it from BGC, I love Carina
Holly.
She's one of my favoriteauthors, but also she's just
aje, like just a nice humanbeing.
So I love supporting her.
And I was flipping through thecouple, I was like, oh my gosh.
I just know I may eat this bookup, but I can't right now.
(37:28):
Karina, if you're listening tothis, babe, sorry, I haven't
finished it yet.
Lizzie (37:32):
I finished it in two days because I had to stop
sleeping so I could.
Devonnie (37:36):
could finish it it has that vibe a little bit, I think.
Lizzie (37:39):
Yeah.
I was not gonna be able to restuntil I got to the end.
Devonnie (37:44):
Yeah.
Once I'm reading it.
Well, I'll be sure to hit you upoh my god.
Lizzie (37:48):
Yes.
Jordan (37:50):
I love books like that where it's like an instant, you
know, this is gonna stay withyou for a long time.
Devonnie (37:56):
Yeah.
Was that the main one from lastyear or did you have any other
books that hit you like thattoo?
Lizzie (38:01):
I mean, if you want me to keep plugging the mate games,
'cause that's when the that'swhen the death series came out.
So that one I wa I was reallyloving too.
It was just, but then graveMatter came in at the end and I
was just, okay.
Yeah, no, that's, that kind ofchanged my whole year for me.
Past that book in the makegames.
(38:21):
I almost don't remember whatelse I read I read a lot around
Christmas.
Uh, the, I wanna say, oh, letme, the Christmas Paw Wars or
War Paws, the Christmas Warpaws.
Jordan (38:33):
Oh,
Lizzie (38:34):
it's a, about two vets.
I saw it on threads and it was areally good they were childhood
well.
Childhood ash, like youngerlovers, and then they had a
falling out.
It's a novella.
It's a very quick read, but likewhen they start hooking up
(38:55):
again, they haven't made up yet.
It's like you don't see enoughhate fucking in books
Jordan (39:00):
Yeah.
Lizzie (39:01):
of the most amazing hate fucking ever.
Jordan (39:04):
Yes.
You.
I've been waiting for someone tosay that I really have, like
Lizzie (39:10):
well.
Well, and where they chose tohate.
Fuck.
The, any of that would be thelast thing on my mind when, you
know, you're stranded andprobably going to die, but, you
know.
Jordan (39:19):
Love it.
What else are you gonna do?
Devonnie (39:21):
Right.
True.
Yeah.
The circumstances kind of guide.
Guide that situation there.
Jordan (39:26):
As someone who loves Bully Romance, I have to say I
am all for hate fucking.
Devonnie (39:30):
Yeah I don't know, I don't think I've read a good
one.
The, it's really not hate, yeah,I think you're right.
Like the books I've read wherethey're like, oh, angry at each
other y'all don't hate eachother enough like this seems
like you're having fun, youknow?
Lizzie (39:42):
Okay, so Christmas War Paws and it's PAWS because the,
there's vets, there's dogs byTherese m Clark.
an Enemies to Lovers RomcomChristmas novella.
Second Chance.
It's just.
Devonnie (39:57):
I feel like I know that author Theresa M.
Clark there, M Clark.
Do I know that?
Did she write chaser?
No, that I might be thinking ofa different
Lizzie (40:06):
I just, it, it's when I was like going crazy on
Christmas books after I gotcoming for Christmas written, I
was like, and now I'm gonnaactually enjoy reading Christmas
books for a change.
And
Devonnie (40:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lizzie (40:17):
such a fun read.
I'm sure there were others, butthat was one of the ones that
like really stuck out.
Jordan (40:22):
Nice.
So you have sorry, I just lostall my shit.
You obviously ob dnce volumetwo, you're publishing is coming
out April 5th.
After that, you're just gonnakeep throwing stuff out on your
Patreon.
What's your next big, likewhat's your, what are your next
goals?
Lizzie (40:41):
I would like.
Devonnie (40:42):
right.
Sorry.
It's Therese.
Therese m Clark.
I had to look it up.
It would've bothered me allnight.
Therese m Clark also wroteChaser.
Yes.
Good.
But great.
All right.
My brain can rest.
Thank you.
Jordan (40:55):
And so can everyone else.
Lizzie (40:58):
Big goals are eventually long-term finish out obedience.
I think I can, it's gonna be atleast another volume or two
before that happens.
'cause there's some things I'mgonna definitely wanna flush
out.
I would really like at somepoint.
In the near future to get I dyedfinished up, and then I'll
(41:19):
probably try to pump out anovella.
There's something I just startedworking on in between the other
stuff that I'll see how it feelswriting it.
I like novellas because I canget an idea out really quickly
But not, but I'm not obsessedwith all of them.
Lately, late when I write Nixonand Poppy, I get really in a
zone.
Unlike any of the other Char,I'm like in a very specific zone
(41:42):
when I write them.
So it's really easy to writethem.
So
Jordan (41:47):
They do, they have their own.
Well, it's just such a bigchemist, like just, I just love
them.
And I know Lizzie's warned meabout them.
I know.
Lizzie (42:01):
it's not like nobody's gonna have a happy ever after.
It just might not be the waypeople think.
Jordan (42:06):
It's a happily ever after four now.
Lizzie (42:09):
Yeah,
Devonnie (42:10):
interesting.
Jordan (42:12):
Which is very, that, listen, I could do a whole
episode on Poppy and Nickie.
Like I,
Lizzie (42:19):
I could too.
Jordan (42:21):
I could do that.
And I don't even know all, Ihaven't even read technically
all of the content for them.
I've only read the two publishedworks, so
Lizzie (42:30):
Well, I tell my husband about a lot of what I write, but
those two I tell him next tonothing because I don't want him
to get mad because there's somethings that I've borrowed from
him for Nixon.
Jordan (42:44):
Oh,
Lizzie (42:45):
Which is funny because my,'cause my husband is not
bisexual like Nixon is, so Idon't know if he would
appreciate, he's very supportiveof me and we have a child that
is Pan and he is very supportiveat that, but I don't think he'd
necessarily be chill aboutvaguely basing a character.
But yet, no.
Like the
Jordan (43:03):
My instinct is like to think, I'm like, I'm just gonna
shut that down right now.
Lizzie (43:07):
well because the.
The pelvic tattoos.
That's something that my husbandused to really want.
And then like he got, like afterhe got his first tattoo, he is I
am not as into tattoos as youare.
He is not that I wouldn't havethem, but like they are not as
great as you seem to think
Jordan (43:22):
That's hilarious because I love Nixon's tattoos so much.
When I read them, I ran to myhusband.
I'm like, listen to thesetattoos.
Devonnie (43:32):
y'all about your husbands.
Lizzie (43:34):
Well, and then hi.
His Spider-Man.
My husband's not that obsessedwith Spider-Man, but the pairing
'cause how on one of his sleevesit's black Cat in Peter Parker.
That's one of my husband'spreferred pairings for them.
So I kind of put little nods tohim in there.
Jordan (43:49):
Oh, but you won't tell him about it.
I love, but you just don't tellhim about it.
Lizzie (43:53):
well, so to be fair, if I like one, he's very artistic
himself, but we're very like.
Different on what we share.
And the last time I reallyshared in detail something I was
writing, it was spoiler alert.
There is a part in I died whereshe's actually not herself in
the book when she wakes up inthat, she wakes up in the body
(44:16):
of a side character
Jordan (44:18):
Oh,
Lizzie (44:20):
and causes a little drama and one of the characters,
gets a little like brutallyattacked by another one as kind
of an I, almost like an I loveyou, I'm pr like you want some
touch her and die.
Devonnie (44:34):
Oh, it's giving to And
Lizzie (44:36):
No.
Like he literally tries, likeone of'em literally tries to
kill the other at first.
And I'm describing in greatdetail the scene about like
limbs coming off.
And my husband's what the hellis your problem?
I'm like, that's not a, I'mlike, it's not one of the sexy
scenes.
It's not meant to be sexy.
And he's well, God, I would hopenot.
Jordan (44:54):
Which there are some scenes like that.
I feel like we've talked aboutthose on this spot.
Like
Lizzie (45:00):
like it's well after the bound on the alter sex scene.
Nobody's having sex anymore atthis point.
Yeah.
Jordan (45:06):
cleaned up.
That's
Devonnie (45:08):
Yeah.
This is war.
This is
Lizzie (45:10):
like more sex happens, like in the chapter after.
But this is a moment of youknow, reset with some like
mutilation
Devonnie (45:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (45:19):
Dismemberment.
Devonnie (45:20):
Right.
Oh, normal.
Lizzie (45:22):
yes, so I get kind of nervous sharing with him now
because he was he'll, he'sbrought it up from time to time,
be like like that thing youwrote.
And I'm like,
Jordan (45:31):
All right, judge mc Judger said, let's just tone it
down.
Lizzie (45:34):
Yeah.
Devonnie (45:35):
Well, I hope he doesn't decide to, you know, be
supportive and listen to thisepisode.
'cause boy, anything you wannalistening?
Lizzie (45:43):
you, baby.
Jordan (45:46):
He didn't make it this far.
It's fine.
He's I listen to most of it.
I'm
Devonnie (45:49):
I'm out.
Yeah.
Oh.
Jordan (45:55):
Perfect.
Devonnie (45:57):
I love that.
I love that.
Well, I mean, Lizzie, is thereanything else you wanna share?
I definitely want you to dropyour Patreon information, but if
there are any other books youwanna tell us that's coming, any
other platforms, your Discord,
Lizzie (46:11):
if you go to my website, you can find most everything,
lizzie b brown.com.
I try to make it very simple,there's even an invite to my
discord there.
I try not to plan books too faron in advance.
Because I have such a sporadicwriting style, I don't wanna say
something's coming out on nextdate and it not come out.
'cause I don't
Devonnie (46:29):
I love that about.
I love that.
I love that.
Thank
Lizzie (46:32):
Once it's to a point where I can give it to the
editor, that's usually when I'llbe like, Hey, I have a date.
So maybe by the end of this yearor early next year, there'll be
obedience volume three.
I'm in kind of a heavy point ofthe story.
So it's been a little difficult'cause I'm trying to get past
somebody's tantrum.
Devonnie (46:50):
Is your character having this tantrum without your
like say, so
Lizzie (46:54):
Yeah, no, it he's a very, he's a very difficult,
sensitive boy, and he doesn'tlike Joshua right now.
Jordan (47:02):
Oh, I can, okay.
Well, Lizzie
Devonnie (47:07):
Interesting.
Lizzie (47:08):
So my beta readers, by, by the time Friendsgiving came
out, my beta readers knew somuch more about obedience that
they were like actually reallyconfused and that's why I knew
the book needed to come out andthen coming for Christmas, and
they're like, I know how thingsare gonna happen in the future,
but I kind of like it how it'slike this right now.
And I'm like, I'm sorry.
Jordan (47:29):
Actually, I can't wait because, okay.
We can talk after therecording's done, so everybody
doesn't have to hear me go offabout a certain someone,
Lizzie (47:36):
But, and like I want to eventually get enough of Janet
story out that I can startreleasing volumes.
I don't think I would ever dothat for the bucket list because
it's it's a little too.
Surrealistic that I don't thinkit would play as well, even in a
volume setting.
Janet's story probably wouldthough.
But I think my next big pushoutside of getting more
obedience l is to get my darkparanormal.
(47:59):
Why Choose Done?
Because at least the first book,because it's so much fun and
I've actually had a narrator dothe first chapter.
Devonnie (48:09):
That's big.
Lizzie (48:10):
like she, she asked for her Patreon if she could, and
she cast and I was like, go forit.
Jordan (48:16):
Yeah.
Devonnie (48:17):
amazing.
Yeah, and that, I'm sure thatgets you excited too, to keep
writing the character,especially when you can hear it
and keep writing the
Lizzie (48:23):
she's enjoying reading what I have so far, so that's
been my real big push to finishit.
I'm like, somebody's enjoyingit, so therefore I can keep
writing it.
Devonnie (48:30):
Right, right.
Yeah.
We need the little push.
We need the
Lizzie (48:34):
Joshua's kind of me at times, so I need the praise.
Devonnie (48:39):
You know, I too require the
Lizzie (48:42):
Well, that's I joke.
Joshua is me
Jordan (48:43):
both doing really well.
You're both doing really well.
Lizzie (48:46):
Joshua's me now.
Jordan (48:47):
whole interview
Lizzie (48:48):
at my late twenties when I was a little more reckless.
So it's if I was like datingmyself, I guess.
Devonnie (48:54):
Oh,
Jordan (48:54):
Oh,
Devonnie (48:55):
I love that.
Lizzie (48:56):
But yeah, but you can find everything at my website,
the Patreon, the contentwarnings.
I do tell people, check thecontent warnings.
'cause some of my I'm prettynumb to a lot of stuff, so I
don't think about it when I'mwriting it.
So I try to, when I go in afterthe fact, make sure I give
people the heads up.
'cause the last thing I want issomebody to see something they
don't want.
Devonnie (49:14):
I love that.
And Lizzie, you wanna drop yourhandle on socials.
That way our followers can, orlisteners can know where to get
you.
Lizzie (49:20):
So on TikTok, it's just at Lizzie B.
Brown on Instagram and Threads,it's Lizzie b Brown.
Devonnie (49:30):
Perfect.
Love that.
Thank you so much for being onthe pod with us.
Lizzie.
I can't wait to read more.
I'm really interested in theparanormal romance
Lizzie (49:40):
thing
Devonnie (49:41):
waking up in your
Lizzie (49:42):
the nice thing about my Patreon, it's, there's several
tiers, but they all get you thesame thing.
So like I want it to be where ifsomebody wants to go the lower
tier because that's what theycan afford, then that's what
they can do.
Devonnie (49:55):
actually really sweet.
Yeah, that's really nice.
I love that.
All right.
Well, thanks for listening to usramble about all things Lizzie B
Brown and all the books you havecurrently out and upcoming.
If you're looking for moreromance Recs, be sure to follow
us on Instagram and TikTok.
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Jordan (50:29):
Thank you so
Devonnie (50:30):
out with us.
Lizzie (50:31):
Yay.
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