December 10, 2024 • 28 mins
Imagine growing up with the roar of hydroplane engines as your lullaby. Join me as I sit down with Mitch and Mark Evans, legendary figures in hydroplane racing, who share their exhilarating journey from childhood escapades around heavy machinery and boats to the adrenaline-pumping world of competitive racing. Their story is a testament to the influential guidance of their father, Norm, who set the stage for a life filled with adventure and mechanical challenges. This will be part 1 of a 4 part episode, which each episode releasing the next week.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're Chatelle Talk, the podcast dedicated to
everything about the sport thatwe all love.
Hi, drifling Race, I am yourhost, david Newton, and it's
time once again.
So sit back, relax and welcome.
Rooster Tail Talk Top.
(00:51):
Welcome back, race fans.
It's December 10th, 2024, andthis is episode 133.
Well, I know, race fans, I'vebeen sitting on this interview
for far too long.
Back in September I called outsick for an extra day.
I went over to Chelan,washington, where I was racing
my radio-controlled scalehydroplanes, thanks to Don Mock
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races, 1984, atlas van lines.
Beautiful, beautiful city overin Chelan had a wonderful time,
beautiful weekend, and I stayedan extra day and I went down to
the arena and I talked with Markand Mitch Evans.
Now they don't need any specialintroductions.
Everyone in Hydroplane RacingLand knows the names Evans back
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from their father, norm.
Both of their careers were verysuccessful.
Mitch and Mark both really puttheir name on the sport.
They made their names known andwere highly successful in their
own rights.
And a couple of the nicest guys, wildest characters in the
sports, and I had such a funafternoon talking with them down
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at the marina, the beautifularea in Chelan, and
unfortunately this was supposedto go out back in October.
But just life, as I posted, lifegets in the way.
I'm candid about what's goingon in my life.
I had some blood clots that hadto get removed and that
sidetracked me for a while andthen I threw my back out shortly
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after that.
So I've been this past monthand a half or so.
It's just been unreal withthings happening and going on.
So I'm moving forward and Idon't want to sit on this
interview anymore because it wasso much fun talking with both
of them.
Like I said, they're greatpeople, so nice, so inviting and
welcoming and just appreciatedtheir time that they had and
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they have such a wealth ofstories.
We sat down for a couple hours.
This is going to be a four-partinterview, so you're going to
look forward to the next threeparts.
So this will be your christmaspresent from me to you until we
get through the new years, andso hopefully you enjoy what we
talk about.
And, um, I, I knew a lot aboutthe racing careers.
(02:59):
I followed them.
They were icons in the sportwhen I was little.
Mitch and Mark both started inthe late 70s, early 80s and just
successful wins, all that.
But I had some help.
I want to give a special thanksand shout out to John Osterberg
Now, john, he's author of DragonDays and you've heard me say
his name before because he is anunlimited hydroplane historian
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in his own right knows so muchabout the sport.
He has spent a lot of his owntime cataloging and journaling
their career throughout theirtime for the newspaper in
Washington, eastern Washington,and really got their celebrity
fame out there.
Because they're celebs inEastern Washington and everyone,
I think, knows their names inChelan and many other parts in
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Eastern Washington.
Everyone, I think, knows theirnames in Chelan and many other
parts in Eastern Washington.
I don't think they can goanywhere without being noticed,
to say the least.
Lots of great stories and we'regoing to start off this first
episode and we're going to talkabout some of the crazy
characters that they'veencountered Not crazy but fun
characters that they'veencountered in the sport,
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because they're two charactersin their own rights.
And we're going to talk abouttheir early days, how their dad
got them involved and just whatwas happening for the Evans
brothers in the 1980s in Chelan.
So we're sitting down here on abeautiful day in Chelan at
Sunset Marina, and I'm sittinghere with Mitch and Mark Evans,
the two Evans brothers and thecelebrities of Chelan Washington
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.
How are we doing today, boys?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Awesome, doing good, doing good.
Got to go down and watch youguys race yesterday and the RC
models.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What a beautiful venue.
There too, I've been thinkingabout that and I'm like wow.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, it's cool to see that all come together.
Oh yeah, no, it's awesome.
I appreciate the city lettingus do that and your help with
that, and it's probably apremier site to end the year on,
and I think you saw some greatracing and some great crashing
as well.
Yesterday they were going allout.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The stuffs, the blow, blowovers, the spin house yeah,
it was wild.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, so that's fun.
So thanks for coming out.
You bet?
Well, you're not.
This isn't new to you, being inchelan, that you have a history
of chelan in this area and abig history, I think, is due to
your father with racing, andwhat did that mean to you and
what was your experience growingup with your dad racing in
hydroplanes and all that?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, it was kind of it just was.
You know, we just grew up atthe marina there and he had his
trophies and he talked aboutboat racing a lot and he was
still messing around with theboats, nitrogen and that, and so
it's just always been aroundand he was kind of bigger than
life.
So it made it interesting, tosay the least, how about for you
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, Mitch.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, no, it's a great history.
So we were lucky to be raisedhere on the water, you know, in
the marina, and then, like I say, all of a sudden, you know, to
learn more about the history ofdad's racing, and then him
slowly dragging us, not draggingus, giving us the opportunity
Boat would show up right.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh boys here's.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Bo, we need to go see if we can go to Tri-Cities and
qualify.
So it was never a dull momentaround here, I'm sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
A little bit of the problem was, though, he had the
marina, and so we had to work atthe marina, so weekends were
the busiest, so it was reallyhard for us to get away and go
boat racing until later on inlife.
We had to work too, so wesqueezed it in the best we could
, so that's why Tri-Cities inSeattle was the big highlight
for us, really Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Did you feel like it was a normal life or did you
feel like it was kind of ahigher status growing up?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, once I was getting into grade school and
getting up through school, itdawned on me that a lot of the
kids hadn't run a loader or abackhoe or a boat before.
We'd already been doing allthat stuff.
Dad was into construction, youknow, in the wintertime too.
So I felt very fortunate.
All of a sudden it dawned on methat, you know, it was a lot of
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work, you know, of course, butfor us it was like play.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So we were very fortunate and blessed to be
exposed to that.
It was a natural feeling for me, just because that's the
environment we were in.
We were just always somethingwas going on and we're doing
many things, but I realized howfortunate we were, you know, at
the time so yeah it was fun yeah, well do you have a favorite
dad story that either of youhave, oh well, that you can
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share with us.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
There's numerous ones .
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So gosh, we had many for sure.
Well, I don't know.
Not too many people know thatdad used to buy a piece of
property and then buy a housethat had to be moved and then
move the house onto anotherpiece of property.
But, typical dad, he didn'treally like to get a permit and
wait for permits, so he wasusually lifting houses up and
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moving them in the middle of thenight.
So Mitch and I got into a fewof these excursions with him
moving houses and so on, so thatwas always kind of a real gas.
We later in life looked back onthat and knew to pick up a
house and move it with nopermits.
That's something Other thanthat.
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It was mainly around the marinahelping out, and so on.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, that was this house moving thing.
Of course, the story thatsticks in my mind is that we
realized that the old bridgethere is about three feet
narrower on one end than theother.
Well, we started in with thehouse.
It was really tight and when wegot almost to the end we were
stuck it wedged in there.
(08:33):
And I can still remember dad,get the chainsaw, get the
chainsaw right.
He has this poor guy that waswith us, I don't recall his name
.
He gets out there and literallyjust saws off the eave of this
building, you know, so that wecould continue on through.
And that's the building that'sat the marina to this day.
Oh, yeah, it's an old marina.
Next door it's an old bank, anddriving by the school and
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thinking this is pretty cool butnot normal, that was just the
beginning of many adventures.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But he loved to go boating, so in the evenings
usually one of us ended updriving all the adults up around
the lake and getting back atwee hours and so on.
So it was fun to help take careof the adults, All right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
What was the first opportunity your dad gave you to
run boats, to race boats?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Let me see, wasn't it when I was up in Alaska, tad
came over with the Breathless,was it?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Well, I got to go for a ride.
Really, the Green was my firstunlimited ride.
You know, that was kind of thebeginning where we were all
working together.
So you know him bringing oldHabdexter over to help mechanic
and lived here and of course healso worked on the construction
thing, but the Evergreen.
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Roofing was really the first,and along he was also doing you
know the automotive boat withBob Murphy and Steve Myers, so
it was kind of happeningtogether.
Dad was working on this one,but the Green Bond was the first
adventure I did get to now thatis the Unlimiteds.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I did get to run just a pleasure boat up in 1969, I
think it was up at the YachtClub.
I remember little kids ran arace up there.
Then later on Mitch got theYahoo 2 at 280.
280, yeah, Ran that for alittle bit Beautiful.
I got a 145 from David Williams, called the Nightwind, Did a
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little of the inboard stufffirst.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And then Jim Corcoran has KW3 Radio won.
He bought an old Jonesconventional boat so that was my
biggest inboard race.
I got to run.
I remember going to Green Lakeand was there and ran in the
early days so we kind of dabbledin that but we were basically
blessed with an unlimited time.
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It was there there, no lookingback after that, so you didn't
have much experience beforejumping in not a lot not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, just other locally here and some of these,
and then a couple of inboardclasses a couple of years yeah,
that first year in 79, in factin 1979, got the green bomb,
which we affectionately call itthe evergreen roofing, and I
didn't even know until about aweek or two before that I was
going to drive it.
We thought we were crewing forthat.
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Then they had this other boat,you know, and I said, oh my gosh
, okay.
And then Dad drove theautomotive boat and attempted to
qualify it.
And then the next year Mitchjumped in but we didn't even
know at first, didn't even getto test.
So I'll never forget LeeShaneth and Harry.
Oh, what's his name?
Harry Woods.
Harry Woods, yeah, I'm speaking.
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And yeah, lee Shaneth.
He came up to me and he said,how much experience do you have?
And I just thought, well,limited inwards.
So I just went limited.
How many times have you driventhat boat?
Well, not very many, I haven'teven been in it yet.
So, oh my gosh, to go get aqualified is pretty
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nerve-wracking.
And then my time.
Every time I got to go out,bill Muncy came out with blue
blasters.
It would scare the heck out ofme.
Come on, let me have the courseto myself.
So that was exciting.
Next year, mitch got in thereand ran that dual no.
We switched to.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Atlas, yes, ran, it Tried to qualify the one time, I
think, at Seattle there was anauto engine in it, just barely
got in.
But then we had the fire.
So we had a fire at the shophere and we had all that
automotive stuff in there andlost most of it.
And so here was, of course, theroofing sitting there, and by
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that time we decided we weregoing to combine forces, take
the allicin out of that and putit in there, and that's when I
started that little Evans Marinething.
So it was kind of a culminationof both of us at that point.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, okay, okay, and you tried to qualify that for a
few years.
Yeah, and eventually did in 83,with a joint effort with Rick
Bowles.
Yeah, island Security Systems,right, right, 83 in Seattle,
mm-hmm.
So talk me through that.
Like what was, what was thoseearly years?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
like that, you couldn't get it there but it was
it was tough yeah, yeah, Ithink of all the time here we
are, of course, early in lifetrying to work and come up with
enough money, you know, to keep,keep the thing.
Luckily, we had the shop spacehere at that time so we had a
place to work on it.
But, yeah, we kept throwingourselves at it, just hoping
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that we could get to the nextlevel.
We accomplished a lot with verylittle, very, very little, so I
was always proud of that and itwas that stepping stone from
there to go on.
Obviously, we went twodifferent directions, but that
was the beginning of that and itwas that stepping stone from
there to go on.
Obviously, we went twodifferent directions, but that
was the beginning of our realracing career.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I just happened to run across the only picture we
have of me riding on the deckwith you what had happened when
we put the Allison in the islandsecurity system we were testing
here.
It would start on the trailer,but it wouldn't start in the
water.
Every time we put it in thewater it was too much load on
the prop.
So mitch got out there and he,so he's halfway out in the
middle of the lake.
So bruce and I jumped in thetowboat we had called the
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african queen of all things anduh, we were towing him in.
And uh, oh, actually no, we hada rental boat we were towing
him in with the.
Bruce was on the the towboat andI'm standing on a deck with
Mitch trying to figure stuff out.
And all of a sudden I thought,hey, mitch, go ahead and turn it
over, maybe he'll take the loadoff the prow.
And so he's chugging, chugging,chugging, and I was looking at
Bruce going thumbs up, go faster, faster.
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And so he started towing usfaster and faster.
We started clearing out.
Next thing, and I looked overand we're passing Bruce and his
eyes were this big around, hethought we were going to spin
him out and drag him down thelake at 100 miles an hour.
And so I got the rope loose andI told Mitch, keep going, keep
going.
And all of a sudden I saw hishelmet sitting on the deck.
So I grabbed his helmet,slammed it on his head and I was
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going to jump off there.
I didn't want him to stopbecause said 80, 90, and I'd
fallen in the water scheme.
I got back in the water so Ijumped on the inside of him and
we got three laps in and over.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I kept going okay okay, yeah, just keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So you're just hanging on the cockpit on the
deck.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, I had an arm around him, his life jacket, but
the faster he went, the more itwas sucking the air out of my
lungs, so I kept having to putmy head in the cockpit.
Oh my God, yeah, yeah, I wasflopping on the deck.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, I know I saw a picture at some point.
I think my dad had a picture.
You were towing it in andtrying to start it, so I think
someone took a picture of that.
Yeah well, and he always wantedto know what were you going to
do when it got on a plane.
Well, we didn't even plan thatout.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Somehow it worked out .
Story of my life.
I got these ideas.
Were you going to plan it allout?
Well, I was just going to jumpoff, but then, like I said, when
I saw the needle start to jump,you know, start working 90, 80,
90,.
I had no life jacket oranything.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
In fact I thought I had a.
It was really handy, obviously,to be born and raised here and
have this lake where we could dothat kind of stuff.
Well, I think back now I'm like, oh my God, how lucky were we
to survive some of those fallies.
We'd always do New Year's or doa Christmas run, of course.
In those days there wasvirtually nobody.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, You're just hanging on the back there.
Yeah, that's just coming in.
I think Roger Green had takenthat picture.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's the only one.
I just happened to find it theother day.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You'll have to send that to me.
Okay, sounds good, Golly.
Meanwhile our mom's up therehaving a heart attack smoking
cigarettes like they're going tohave to have them.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
How many packs do you think she went through?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I don't know she burned a lot of them, aren't you
?
Well, think about it later.
There were some good picturesin our heyday when we really
started doing good with theUnlimiteds.
Mom came down.
We had a shirt made, Half of itwas American Spirit and the
other half was the Obero.
Yeah, and so for a mom to watchher two boys going out there
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beating up on each other at 200miles an hour kind of a crazy
deal, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Did you ever feel like she was rooting for one
more?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
than the other.
Not, really, not really.
She always made sure it wasboth.
Yeah, she did, she just didn'twant to scratch.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, she'd come back, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Back in that day I was talking to John Osterberg
before the interview and hementioned the name Hap Dexter.
I think that he played a rolein your team at that point.
What was his role and what aresome good Hap stories?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
you got he was from Detroit, basically, you know,
worked back there with GeneBennings and all those guys in
the day and he was the mechanic.
Right, he was the allosing guy.
So somehow to this day I don'tknow how dad he got together,
but anyway he brought him out tostart working on the boat one
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winter, you know, to get thepieces apart, and then he got
him a place to stay and then atthe same time he was a good
mechanic, so he helped out atthe marina and on the
construction site, you know withall that stuff.
But anyway, he was brought hereto be the head Allison mechanic
and he was a character, an oldknow bachelor, and gruff, just
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as rough as they come, and he,if you got next to him when we
were working on the motor orsomething, man, he would just
light into you.
You know I'm just be like, ohmy god, what did I say?
But he was just that way, he'dbe really quiet or he was super
explosive.
I just remember so much of thatabout him and I think, the one
story of many.
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We were building an engine theonly engine, I think at that
time.
Anyway, there were some piecesand parts of another one and he
had all these parts laid out inthe back room there and we're
kind of going through them andI'm seeing these bearings like
smell some smoke, like he had afire.
Well in the back there was.
We're kind of going throughthem and I'm seeing these
bearings like smell, smell somesmoke.
I like it had fire.
Well, in the back there was twosets of these old bearings and
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I and I at the day I didn't know, but I guess there was silver
babbitt, right, actual silver,in there.
He's got this fire going outthere in this little pot.
He's melting the silver out ofthis stuff and save it.
He and he was, he was in theselittle, uh like coins.
They were more like a necklacething.
Anyway, he melt these thingsdown.
He was making these littletrickies working on the boat.
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You know just, I just alwaysstruck me so really, he was just
that kind of God and would doanything for you.
You know, and we learned a lotfrom over the years of course,
but yeah, just one of thosestrange little guys that worked,
worked tirelessly always, andfrom the old days of Pappy
Cantrell and Shirley Mendelsohnand Notre Dame and all the
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Detroit boys.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like Mitch said, pretty gruff didn't have any
front teeth.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You know, he was pretty he had a tough life, you
could just tell.
But he was willing to teach andyou know he was one of those
guys.
When he got here he was.
I enjoyed being around him.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, well, it's.
It's the whole sport's full ofcharacters, right oh?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
yes.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
And on that security team Seth Landau, he security
team Seth Landau, he owned thebusiness of security.
I think he falls under one ofthose characters around the
sport, right?
I just wonder if you have agood Seth story to share.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Which one do you think?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I mean as we went top three.
He just was those guys thatwanted to be successful, was
willing to do what he could tohelp us out to get the boat to
the race and qualify and running.
I just remember him as just hewas always really hyper and he
would just appear one minute andthen be gone the next.
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He was just very supportive andand uh was, was was a great guy
.
I know now he's business haschanged and I honestly haven't
seen him um in in a long time.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Mark mark stays in touch with him, son, uh, yeah
but he's a very high strung guy,as you know, and and uh gosh,
he'd come down to the pits and,in fact, the the one time Mitch
was trying to get qualified andhe conked out and Seth kept
going what's wrong, what's wrong, what's wrong.
We didn't have radios.
Back then I said, seth, I don'tknow, we've got to get the boat
.
And he's pacing back and forth,he goes what's wrong?
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And I said, seth, I'm just forfun, the way you're doing, the
way you're going here, buddy,what a character this guy still
is actually.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh yeah, oh, he still is.
Yeah, so my father-in-lawactually was neighborhood
friends, childhood friends,growing up with him.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I was going to ask how they knew each other.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, so I think they were in the same neighborhood
and went to the same synagogueand all that.
So they got in trouble together.
Growing up, my father-in-lawowned a company down in Pike
Place, market Ace Jewelry andLoans, so he was a part sponsor
on the boat and I think it was83 when it sunk at the dock and
he loved it because his logo wasthe only thing shown above the
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water.
It was right on King 5 rightthere, so he got tickled out of
that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Perfect.
Yeah, geez, louise.
Oh man, what else did Seth do?
There's a couple of good ones.
He just, like I said, very highstrung but has a big heart, you
know.
Oh yeah, yeah, really wants tomake sure you're all right, and
so on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, we took, and I recall too, one of the couple
times that we worked on the boatwe took part of the deck off,
so we took at that time it wasjust plywood basically.
So he took those pieces andthen he made buttons out of them
, cut them out they were allhand-painted and then, of course
, he handed them out to all ofus.
I still have one left I hehanded them out to all of us.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I still have one left .
I think it was only about 10 or12 of those.
Yeah, I think those arecollectible for sure.
Yeah, oh, great guy.
Yeah, he lived out there atMercer Island next to Bill Muncy
, will Muncy and them so kind ofin that neighborhood too.
So he's been around it foryears.
I'll tell you one good one thathappened.
He's got a house that overlooksthe race course.
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There I'm down in the pits and Ican't remember what boat I'm
driving.
But I get a call.
It's Seth.
I thought I'll take it just forfun.
He goes hey, look up at myhouse.
I looked up at his house andall of a sudden just flash,
flash.
He's out in the yard with agigantous mirror and he's got
the sun.
And he goes hey, who do youwant me to blind?
I'll blind the Winston Eaglewhen he comes around the corner.
I go no, don't be doing that,come on.
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I got to laughing.
So I called him back and I saysListen, the commissioner is
standing right here.
I'm on the dock with a wholebunch of people and when I say
this key word, I want you toflash this.
And I don't remember what thekey word was so I did.
I talked to the commission.
I says now watch over there,now watch this.
And I said the word and it saysflashed us.
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So to this day that was ourlittle private joke to freak
everybody out.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
It's just that's an example of his crazy stuff he
likes.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh yeah, I know that's funny.
That's all the time we have forthis week, knuckleheads,
Remember, come back next week.
This is part one of four for myinterviews with Mitch and Mark
Evans and I have to thank themagain for their time, Really
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appreciate that.
They took out hours of theirday to come down and talk with
me.
They had a couple ofemergencies going on with some
of their projects that weregoing on at the time, so I
really appreciate that they tooktime out of their busy day to
come and talk to me down atSunset Marina and if you go
through Chelan you should checkthat place out.
Beautiful marina, Justwonderful, wonderful place to be
and with the cold weather hereright now, I wish I was back to
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that nice summer day.
It was a beautiful day on LakeChelan.
Also want to give another shoutout and thanks to John Osterberg
, author of Dragon Days.
The owner of Pay a PointPublishing, Really helped me out
and had a lot of greatquestions and you're going to
hear some more questions thatJohn gave to me for our next
upcoming interviews, Becausewe're going to talk more about
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their career.
We're going to talk to bothMitch and Mark about more about
the crazy things they'reinvolved in what could have
happened, what did happen andwhat might happen.
So many fun stories and I can'twait to share more with you.
I've got a lot more editing todo.
I'm going to be moving on toanother interview here soon.
Again, I apologize to you, thefans.
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We had some big breaks in mycoverage with my interviews and
my episodes.
For some reason, my health justkeeps getting in my way and I
think it's time I really, reallyfocus on my health and get
better with that so we can getsome more content out for you.
Doing good.
Now just got to get on a bettertrack.
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We also have a monthly raffledrawing.
I've given away race tickets.
I've given away some fun prizes.
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I try to give those away everymonth and just have some more
fun with the podcast, but thosedonations that come back really
help just cover all thedifferent expenses that just pop
up with doing a podcast.
That's all I got for today, sountil next time, I hope to see
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you at the Wreath.
We're Chatelle Talk, the podcast dedicated to
everything about the sport thatwe all love.
Hi, drifling Race, I am yourhost, david Newton, and it's
time once again.
So sit back, relax and welcome.
Rooster Tail Talk Top.
(00:51):
Welcome back, race fans.
It's December 10th, 2024, andthis is episode 133.
Well, I know, race fans, I'vebeen sitting on this interview
for far too long.
Back in September I called outsick for an extra day.
I went over to Chelan,washington, where I was racing
my radio-controlled scalehydroplanes, thanks to Don Mock
(01:13):
races, 1984, atlas van lines.
Beautiful, beautiful city overin Chelan had a wonderful time,
beautiful weekend, and I stayedan extra day and I went down to
the arena and I talked with Markand Mitch Evans.
Now they don't need any specialintroductions.
Everyone in Hydroplane RacingLand knows the names Evans back
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from their father, norm.
Both of their careers were verysuccessful.
Mitch and Mark both really puttheir name on the sport.
They made their names known andwere highly successful in their
own rights.
And a couple of the nicest guys, wildest characters in the
sports, and I had such a funafternoon talking with them down
(01:54):
at the marina, the beautifularea in Chelan, and
unfortunately this was supposedto go out back in October.
But just life, as I posted, lifegets in the way.
I'm candid about what's goingon in my life.
I had some blood clots that hadto get removed and that
sidetracked me for a while andthen I threw my back out shortly
(02:15):
after that.
So I've been this past monthand a half or so.
It's just been unreal withthings happening and going on.
So I'm moving forward and Idon't want to sit on this
interview anymore because it wasso much fun talking with both
of them.
Like I said, they're greatpeople, so nice, so inviting and
welcoming and just appreciatedtheir time that they had and
(02:39):
they have such a wealth ofstories.
We sat down for a couple hours.
This is going to be a four-partinterview, so you're going to
look forward to the next threeparts.
So this will be your christmaspresent from me to you until we
get through the new years, andso hopefully you enjoy what we
talk about.
And, um, I, I knew a lot aboutthe racing careers.
(02:59):
I followed them.
They were icons in the sportwhen I was little.
Mitch and Mark both started inthe late 70s, early 80s and just
successful wins, all that.
But I had some help.
I want to give a special thanksand shout out to John Osterberg
Now, john, he's author of DragonDays and you've heard me say
his name before because he is anunlimited hydroplane historian
(03:21):
in his own right knows so muchabout the sport.
He has spent a lot of his owntime cataloging and journaling
their career throughout theirtime for the newspaper in
Washington, eastern Washington,and really got their celebrity
fame out there.
Because they're celebs inEastern Washington and everyone,
I think, knows their names inChelan and many other parts in
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Eastern Washington.
Everyone, I think, knows theirnames in Chelan and many other
parts in Eastern Washington.
I don't think they can goanywhere without being noticed,
to say the least.
Lots of great stories and we'regoing to start off this first
episode and we're going to talkabout some of the crazy
characters that they'veencountered Not crazy but fun
characters that they'veencountered in the sport,
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because they're two charactersin their own rights.
And we're going to talk abouttheir early days, how their dad
got them involved and just whatwas happening for the Evans
brothers in the 1980s in Chelan.
So we're sitting down here on abeautiful day in Chelan at
Sunset Marina, and I'm sittinghere with Mitch and Mark Evans,
the two Evans brothers and thecelebrities of Chelan Washington
(04:27):
.
How are we doing today, boys?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Awesome, doing good, doing good.
Got to go down and watch youguys race yesterday and the RC
models.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What a beautiful venue.
There too, I've been thinkingabout that and I'm like wow.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, it's cool to see that all come together.
Oh yeah, no, it's awesome.
I appreciate the city lettingus do that and your help with
that, and it's probably apremier site to end the year on,
and I think you saw some greatracing and some great crashing
as well.
Yesterday they were going allout.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The stuffs, the blow, blowovers, the spin house yeah,
it was wild.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, so that's fun.
So thanks for coming out.
You bet?
Well, you're not.
This isn't new to you, being inchelan, that you have a history
of chelan in this area and abig history, I think, is due to
your father with racing, andwhat did that mean to you and
what was your experience growingup with your dad racing in
hydroplanes and all that?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, it was kind of it just was.
You know, we just grew up atthe marina there and he had his
trophies and he talked aboutboat racing a lot and he was
still messing around with theboats, nitrogen and that, and so
it's just always been aroundand he was kind of bigger than
life.
So it made it interesting, tosay the least, how about for you
(05:45):
, Mitch.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, no, it's a great history.
So we were lucky to be raisedhere on the water, you know, in
the marina, and then, like I say, all of a sudden, you know, to
learn more about the history ofdad's racing, and then him
slowly dragging us, not draggingus, giving us the opportunity
Boat would show up right.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh boys here's.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Bo, we need to go see if we can go to Tri-Cities and
qualify.
So it was never a dull momentaround here, I'm sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
A little bit of the problem was, though, he had the
marina, and so we had to work atthe marina, so weekends were
the busiest, so it was reallyhard for us to get away and go
boat racing until later on inlife.
We had to work too, so wesqueezed it in the best we could
, so that's why Tri-Cities inSeattle was the big highlight
for us, really Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Did you feel like it was a normal life or did you
feel like it was kind of ahigher status growing up?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, once I was getting into grade school and
getting up through school, itdawned on me that a lot of the
kids hadn't run a loader or abackhoe or a boat before.
We'd already been doing allthat stuff.
Dad was into construction, youknow, in the wintertime too.
So I felt very fortunate.
All of a sudden it dawned on methat, you know, it was a lot of
(06:58):
work, you know, of course, butfor us it was like play.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So we were very fortunate and blessed to be
exposed to that.
It was a natural feeling for me, just because that's the
environment we were in.
We were just always somethingwas going on and we're doing
many things, but I realized howfortunate we were, you know, at
the time so yeah it was fun yeah, well do you have a favorite
dad story that either of youhave, oh well, that you can
(07:24):
share with us.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
There's numerous ones .
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So gosh, we had many for sure.
Well, I don't know.
Not too many people know thatdad used to buy a piece of
property and then buy a housethat had to be moved and then
move the house onto anotherpiece of property.
But, typical dad, he didn'treally like to get a permit and
wait for permits, so he wasusually lifting houses up and
(07:46):
moving them in the middle of thenight.
So Mitch and I got into a fewof these excursions with him
moving houses and so on, so thatwas always kind of a real gas.
We later in life looked back onthat and knew to pick up a
house and move it with nopermits.
That's something Other thanthat.
(08:07):
It was mainly around the marinahelping out, and so on.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, that was this house moving thing.
Of course, the story thatsticks in my mind is that we
realized that the old bridgethere is about three feet
narrower on one end than theother.
Well, we started in with thehouse.
It was really tight and when wegot almost to the end we were
stuck it wedged in there.
(08:33):
And I can still remember dad,get the chainsaw, get the
chainsaw right.
He has this poor guy that waswith us, I don't recall his name
.
He gets out there and literallyjust saws off the eave of this
building, you know, so that wecould continue on through.
And that's the building that'sat the marina to this day.
Oh, yeah, it's an old marina.
Next door it's an old bank, anddriving by the school and
(08:57):
thinking this is pretty cool butnot normal, that was just the
beginning of many adventures.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But he loved to go boating, so in the evenings
usually one of us ended updriving all the adults up around
the lake and getting back atwee hours and so on.
So it was fun to help take careof the adults, All right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
What was the first opportunity your dad gave you to
run boats, to race boats?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Let me see, wasn't it when I was up in Alaska, tad
came over with the Breathless,was it?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Well, I got to go for a ride.
Really, the Green was my firstunlimited ride.
You know, that was kind of thebeginning where we were all
working together.
So you know him bringing oldHabdexter over to help mechanic
and lived here and of course healso worked on the construction
thing, but the Evergreen.
(09:56):
Roofing was really the first,and along he was also doing you
know the automotive boat withBob Murphy and Steve Myers, so
it was kind of happeningtogether.
Dad was working on this one,but the Green Bond was the first
adventure I did get to now thatis the Unlimiteds.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I did get to run just a pleasure boat up in 1969, I
think it was up at the YachtClub.
I remember little kids ran arace up there.
Then later on Mitch got theYahoo 2 at 280.
280, yeah, Ran that for alittle bit Beautiful.
I got a 145 from David Williams, called the Nightwind, Did a
(10:36):
little of the inboard stufffirst.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And then Jim Corcoran has KW3 Radio won.
He bought an old Jonesconventional boat so that was my
biggest inboard race.
I got to run.
I remember going to Green Lakeand was there and ran in the
early days so we kind of dabbledin that but we were basically
blessed with an unlimited time.
(10:59):
It was there there, no lookingback after that, so you didn't
have much experience beforejumping in not a lot not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, just other locally here and some of these,
and then a couple of inboardclasses a couple of years yeah,
that first year in 79, in factin 1979, got the green bomb,
which we affectionately call itthe evergreen roofing, and I
didn't even know until about aweek or two before that I was
going to drive it.
We thought we were crewing forthat.
(11:26):
Then they had this other boat,you know, and I said, oh my gosh
, okay.
And then Dad drove theautomotive boat and attempted to
qualify it.
And then the next year Mitchjumped in but we didn't even
know at first, didn't even getto test.
So I'll never forget LeeShaneth and Harry.
Oh, what's his name?
Harry Woods.
Harry Woods, yeah, I'm speaking.
(11:47):
And yeah, lee Shaneth.
He came up to me and he said,how much experience do you have?
And I just thought, well,limited inwards.
So I just went limited.
How many times have you driventhat boat?
Well, not very many, I haven'teven been in it yet.
So, oh my gosh, to go get aqualified is pretty
(12:09):
nerve-wracking.
And then my time.
Every time I got to go out,bill Muncy came out with blue
blasters.
It would scare the heck out ofme.
Come on, let me have the courseto myself.
So that was exciting.
Next year, mitch got in thereand ran that dual no.
We switched to.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Atlas, yes, ran, it Tried to qualify the one time, I
think, at Seattle there was anauto engine in it, just barely
got in.
But then we had the fire.
So we had a fire at the shophere and we had all that
automotive stuff in there andlost most of it.
And so here was, of course, theroofing sitting there, and by
(12:49):
that time we decided we weregoing to combine forces, take
the allicin out of that and putit in there, and that's when I
started that little Evans Marinething.
So it was kind of a culminationof both of us at that point.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, okay, okay, and you tried to qualify that for a
few years.
Yeah, and eventually did in 83,with a joint effort with Rick
Bowles.
Yeah, island Security Systems,right, right, 83 in Seattle,
mm-hmm.
So talk me through that.
Like what was, what was thoseearly years?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
like that, you couldn't get it there but it was
it was tough yeah, yeah, Ithink of all the time here we
are, of course, early in lifetrying to work and come up with
enough money, you know, to keep,keep the thing.
Luckily, we had the shop spacehere at that time so we had a
place to work on it.
But, yeah, we kept throwingourselves at it, just hoping
(13:47):
that we could get to the nextlevel.
We accomplished a lot with verylittle, very, very little, so I
was always proud of that and itwas that stepping stone from
there to go on.
Obviously, we went twodifferent directions, but that
was the beginning of that and itwas that stepping stone from
there to go on.
Obviously, we went twodifferent directions, but that
was the beginning of our realracing career.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I just happened to run across the only picture we
have of me riding on the deckwith you what had happened when
we put the Allison in the islandsecurity system we were testing
here.
It would start on the trailer,but it wouldn't start in the
water.
Every time we put it in thewater it was too much load on
the prop.
So mitch got out there and he,so he's halfway out in the
middle of the lake.
So bruce and I jumped in thetowboat we had called the
(14:29):
african queen of all things anduh, we were towing him in.
And uh, oh, actually no, we hada rental boat we were towing
him in with the.
Bruce was on the the towboat andI'm standing on a deck with
Mitch trying to figure stuff out.
And all of a sudden I thought,hey, mitch, go ahead and turn it
over, maybe he'll take the loadoff the prow.
And so he's chugging, chugging,chugging, and I was looking at
Bruce going thumbs up, go faster, faster.
(14:50):
And so he started towing usfaster and faster.
We started clearing out.
Next thing, and I looked overand we're passing Bruce and his
eyes were this big around, hethought we were going to spin
him out and drag him down thelake at 100 miles an hour.
And so I got the rope loose andI told Mitch, keep going, keep
going.
And all of a sudden I saw hishelmet sitting on the deck.
So I grabbed his helmet,slammed it on his head and I was
(15:11):
going to jump off there.
I didn't want him to stopbecause said 80, 90, and I'd
fallen in the water scheme.
I got back in the water so Ijumped on the inside of him and
we got three laps in and over.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I kept going okay okay, yeah, just keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So you're just hanging on the cockpit on the
deck.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, I had an arm around him, his life jacket, but
the faster he went, the more itwas sucking the air out of my
lungs, so I kept having to putmy head in the cockpit.
Oh my God, yeah, yeah, I wasflopping on the deck.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well, I know I saw a picture at some point.
I think my dad had a picture.
You were towing it in andtrying to start it, so I think
someone took a picture of that.
Yeah well, and he always wantedto know what were you going to
do when it got on a plane.
Well, we didn't even plan thatout.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Somehow it worked out .
Story of my life.
I got these ideas.
Were you going to plan it allout?
Well, I was just going to jumpoff, but then, like I said, when
I saw the needle start to jump,you know, start working 90, 80,
90,.
I had no life jacket oranything.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
In fact I thought I had a.
It was really handy, obviously,to be born and raised here and
have this lake where we could dothat kind of stuff.
Well, I think back now I'm like, oh my God, how lucky were we
to survive some of those fallies.
We'd always do New Year's or doa Christmas run, of course.
In those days there wasvirtually nobody.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, You're just hanging on the back there.
Yeah, that's just coming in.
I think Roger Green had takenthat picture.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's the only one.
I just happened to find it theother day.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You'll have to send that to me.
Okay, sounds good, Golly.
Meanwhile our mom's up therehaving a heart attack smoking
cigarettes like they're going tohave to have them.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
How many packs do you think she went through?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I don't know she burned a lot of them, aren't you
?
Well, think about it later.
There were some good picturesin our heyday when we really
started doing good with theUnlimiteds.
Mom came down.
We had a shirt made, Half of itwas American Spirit and the
other half was the Obero.
Yeah, and so for a mom to watchher two boys going out there
(17:25):
beating up on each other at 200miles an hour kind of a crazy
deal, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Did you ever feel like she was rooting for one
more?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
than the other.
Not, really, not really.
She always made sure it wasboth.
Yeah, she did, she just didn'twant to scratch.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, she'd come back, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Back in that day I was talking to John Osterberg
before the interview and hementioned the name Hap Dexter.
I think that he played a rolein your team at that point.
What was his role and what aresome good Hap stories?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
you got he was from Detroit, basically, you know,
worked back there with GeneBennings and all those guys in
the day and he was the mechanic.
Right, he was the allosing guy.
So somehow to this day I don'tknow how dad he got together,
but anyway he brought him out tostart working on the boat one
(18:21):
winter, you know, to get thepieces apart, and then he got
him a place to stay and then atthe same time he was a good
mechanic, so he helped out atthe marina and on the
construction site, you know withall that stuff.
But anyway, he was brought hereto be the head Allison mechanic
and he was a character, an oldknow bachelor, and gruff, just
(18:43):
as rough as they come, and he,if you got next to him when we
were working on the motor orsomething, man, he would just
light into you.
You know I'm just be like, ohmy god, what did I say?
But he was just that way, he'dbe really quiet or he was super
explosive.
I just remember so much of thatabout him and I think, the one
story of many.
(19:04):
We were building an engine theonly engine, I think at that
time.
Anyway, there were some piecesand parts of another one and he
had all these parts laid out inthe back room there and we're
kind of going through them andI'm seeing these bearings like
smell some smoke, like he had afire.
Well in the back there was.
We're kind of going throughthem and I'm seeing these
bearings like smell, smell somesmoke.
I like it had fire.
Well, in the back there was twosets of these old bearings and
(19:24):
I and I at the day I didn't know, but I guess there was silver
babbitt, right, actual silver,in there.
He's got this fire going outthere in this little pot.
He's melting the silver out ofthis stuff and save it.
He and he was, he was in theselittle, uh like coins.
They were more like a necklacething.
Anyway, he melt these thingsdown.
He was making these littletrickies working on the boat.
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You know just, I just alwaysstruck me so really, he was just
that kind of God and would doanything for you.
You know, and we learned a lotfrom over the years of course,
but yeah, just one of thosestrange little guys that worked,
worked tirelessly always, andfrom the old days of Pappy
Cantrell and Shirley Mendelsohnand Notre Dame and all the
(20:08):
Detroit boys.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like Mitch said, pretty gruff didn't have any
front teeth.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You know, he was pretty he had a tough life, you
could just tell.
But he was willing to teach andyou know he was one of those
guys.
When he got here he was.
I enjoyed being around him.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, well, it's.
It's the whole sport's full ofcharacters, right oh?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
yes.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
And on that security team Seth Landau, he security
team Seth Landau, he owned thebusiness of security.
I think he falls under one ofthose characters around the
sport, right?
I just wonder if you have agood Seth story to share.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Which one do you think?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I mean as we went top three.
He just was those guys thatwanted to be successful, was
willing to do what he could tohelp us out to get the boat to
the race and qualify and running.
I just remember him as just hewas always really hyper and he
would just appear one minute andthen be gone the next.
(21:16):
He was just very supportive andand uh was, was was a great guy
.
I know now he's business haschanged and I honestly haven't
seen him um in in a long time.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Mark mark stays in touch with him, son, uh, yeah
but he's a very high strung guy,as you know, and and uh gosh,
he'd come down to the pits and,in fact, the the one time Mitch
was trying to get qualified andhe conked out and Seth kept
going what's wrong, what's wrong, what's wrong.
We didn't have radios.
Back then I said, seth, I don'tknow, we've got to get the boat
.
And he's pacing back and forth,he goes what's wrong?
(22:01):
And I said, seth, I'm just forfun, the way you're doing, the
way you're going here, buddy,what a character this guy still
is actually.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh yeah, oh, he still is.
Yeah, so my father-in-lawactually was neighborhood
friends, childhood friends,growing up with him.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I was going to ask how they knew each other.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, so I think they were in the same neighborhood
and went to the same synagogueand all that.
So they got in trouble together.
Growing up, my father-in-lawowned a company down in Pike
Place, market Ace Jewelry andLoans, so he was a part sponsor
on the boat and I think it was83 when it sunk at the dock and
he loved it because his logo wasthe only thing shown above the
(22:38):
water.
It was right on King 5 rightthere, so he got tickled out of
that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Perfect.
Yeah, geez, louise.
Oh man, what else did Seth do?
There's a couple of good ones.
He just, like I said, very highstrung but has a big heart, you
know.
Oh yeah, yeah, really wants tomake sure you're all right, and
so on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, we took, and I recall too, one of the couple
times that we worked on the boatwe took part of the deck off,
so we took at that time it wasjust plywood basically.
So he took those pieces andthen he made buttons out of them
, cut them out they were allhand-painted and then, of course
, he handed them out to all ofus.
I still have one left I hehanded them out to all of us.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I still have one left .
I think it was only about 10 or12 of those.
Yeah, I think those arecollectible for sure.
Yeah, oh, great guy.
Yeah, he lived out there atMercer Island next to Bill Muncy
, will Muncy and them so kind ofin that neighborhood too.
So he's been around it foryears.
I'll tell you one good one thathappened.
He's got a house that overlooksthe race course.
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There I'm down in the pits and Ican't remember what boat I'm
driving.
But I get a call.
It's Seth.
I thought I'll take it just forfun.
He goes hey, look up at myhouse.
I looked up at his house andall of a sudden just flash,
flash.
He's out in the yard with agigantous mirror and he's got
the sun.
And he goes hey, who do youwant me to blind?
I'll blind the Winston Eaglewhen he comes around the corner.
I go no, don't be doing that,come on.
(24:07):
I got to laughing.
So I called him back and I saysListen, the commissioner is
standing right here.
I'm on the dock with a wholebunch of people and when I say
this key word, I want you toflash this.
And I don't remember what thekey word was so I did.
I talked to the commission.
I says now watch over there,now watch this.
And I said the word and it saysflashed us.
(24:28):
So to this day that was ourlittle private joke to freak
everybody out.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
It's just that's an example of his crazy stuff he
likes.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh yeah, I know that's funny.
That's all the time we have forthis week, knuckleheads,
Remember, come back next week.
This is part one of four for myinterviews with Mitch and Mark
Evans and I have to thank themagain for their time, Really
(24:56):
appreciate that.
They took out hours of theirday to come down and talk with
me.
They had a couple ofemergencies going on with some
of their projects that weregoing on at the time, so I
really appreciate that they tooktime out of their busy day to
come and talk to me down atSunset Marina and if you go
through Chelan you should checkthat place out.
Beautiful marina, Justwonderful, wonderful place to be
and with the cold weather hereright now, I wish I was back to
(25:19):
that nice summer day.
It was a beautiful day on LakeChelan.
Also want to give another shoutout and thanks to John Osterberg
, author of Dragon Days.
The owner of Pay a PointPublishing, Really helped me out
and had a lot of greatquestions and you're going to
hear some more questions thatJohn gave to me for our next
upcoming interviews, Becausewe're going to talk more about
(25:40):
their career.
We're going to talk to bothMitch and Mark about more about
the crazy things they'reinvolved in what could have
happened, what did happen andwhat might happen.
So many fun stories and I can'twait to share more with you.
I've got a lot more editing todo.
I'm going to be moving on toanother interview here soon.
Again, I apologize to you, thefans.
(26:01):
We had some big breaks in mycoverage with my interviews and
my episodes.
For some reason, my health justkeeps getting in my way and I
think it's time I really, reallyfocus on my health and get
better with that so we can getsome more content out for you.
Doing good.
Now just got to get on a bettertrack.
Don't forget, we're on socialmedia Facebook, Instagram.
(26:25):
We have our website,RichardTelTalkcom, and on the
website also, don't forget, wehave a brand new service Richard
Tel Talk Plus.
Once you are a member, you getearly access to all episodes.
I'll send that to you the nightbefore.
We also have a monthly raffledrawing.
I've given away race tickets.
I've given away some fun prizes.
(26:47):
I have a Christmas gift I justgave away.
So lots of fun things.
I try to give those away everymonth and just have some more
fun with the podcast, but thosedonations that come back really
help just cover all thedifferent expenses that just pop
up with doing a podcast.
That's all I got for today, sountil next time, I hope to see
(27:07):
you at the Wreath.
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