July 22, 2025 • 33 mins
Mark Tate's path to hydroplane racing greatness wasn't just about raw talent—it required technical mastery, strategic thinking, and adapting to different race courses. In this revealing conversation, Tate takes listeners inside his 1994 Gold Cup victory with Smokin' Joe's Racing, explaining how this second Cup win differed from his first with Winston. Make sure you join us next week for the conclusion of our conversation with Mark Tate, where he'll share more stories about the characters and moments that defined this thrilling sport.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ruchetel Talk, the podcast dedicated to everything
about the sport that we all love, Hydroplane racing.
I am your host, david Newton,and it's time once again.
So sit back, relax and welcome.
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Welcome back race fans.
(00:52):
We're on to episode 154, andthis is part two of my
conversation with Mark Tate.
Now, today's July 20th, we'redays away from the APBA Gold Cup
being held in Tri-Cities,washington.
The following week is theSeafair Regatta, so it's a
magical time for hydroplaneracing in the Pacific Northwest,
as we have back-to-back racesacross the state of Washington.
(01:15):
Looks to be a great race, butthat's not what today's episode
is about.
We're going to jump back intomy conversation with Mark Tate,
and he's going to continuetalking about his career, as we
first talk about him winningthat second Gold Cup in Detroit
in 1994.
It was a magical time for himand RJ Reynolds, as they were
able to claim a second Gold Cupwith Steve Loomer.
(01:36):
And he'll talk more about hiscareer where it went and,
notably, we're going to end theepisode talking about some more
characters and people that madeimpacts on his career, both
racing with and against.
So let's get back in to myconversation with Mark Tate.
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Well, the next year you did itagain.
You won a Gold Cup in 94, butdifferent colors.
You switched to the Smoke andJoe's racing Got your second
Gold Cup victory.
How did that rank Like?
Which one meant more to you?
The 91, 94,?
Did they each have their ownflavor?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They both had their own flavor.
But when you sit back and youlook at the first one was a
truly a unbelievable day and theother one, you know, we felt
that we're, we were always closeat times.
You know, at Detroit, the oneyear when we were really fast,
we blew up a motor right afterthe start finish line, you know,
just went across the startingline, starting to pull down away
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from everybody, boom, therewent the motor.
Another time in Detroit, wewere really fast and Chip ran
over the, you know, lost hisboat and ran over the top of us
and took us out of the race.
Detroit, we had really goodsetups.
We were always very, verycompetitive at that event.
And then we changed colors andwent to Smoke and Joe's and
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everything aligned and we wonthe race.
And it was very gratifyingbecause the two years prior we
felt that we were the fastestboat there and that we could
have, you know, should have wonif, if, things would have been
differently.
But um, so that one wasgratifying because we had worked
so hard for so many years to beso on in Detroit and run so
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good there.
And um, after the event I toldRJ Reynolds, I said well, I said
.
I said I think we should changecolors every year, if we even
do it for one race in Detroit,because it seems like new team,
new colors, we win.
And they all chuckled about itand they said they didn't know
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if they had that many cigarettebrands.
That's funny yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh, man.
Well, do you think you had aleg up though, just being from
Detroit area, knowing thatcourse so well, Do you think
that played into it?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
No, I don't.
I think our boat wasexceptionally well at Detroit
because of the two turns.
You know, budweiser on atwo-mile track normally always
had a leg up, honestly, justalways seemed to have a little
better acceleration than us andwe had the top end and we always
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did good on two-and-a-half-miletracks.
If you look at it Detroit, sanDiego, hawaii you know those
were kind of our tri-cities.
You know, if you look at all mywins they were all on those two
and a half mile courses and Ithink that we all the boat, we
had good combinations for thosetype of race courses.
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We had the right gearcombinations for those race
courses.
And I like Detroit because howare you going to set the boat up
?
Did you want to set it up to gosuper fast through a big turn
or did you want to get throughthe pit turn and off the corner
and the Detroit race?
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We always tried to go throughthe big turn as quick as we
could but we could come up witha combination that we didn't
give up a lot in the big turnbut we could really get through
the second corner and we couldreally make people hold their
lines in there and if we had theinside, we could hold our line.
If we were outside somebody, ifwe had the lead, we could pinch
them down and make them turn.
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Outside somebody, if we had thelead, we could pinch them down
and make them make them turn.
Um, you know, like when I beatNate Brown there, he broke out
front in the tide, I ran himdown and when we got to the pit
turn, got right past the apex.
I had already left him a laneand I was straightening up and
going and he was, you know, hewas having to give it a lot more
right rudder left, I mean to toget through that corner, and he
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lost all his boat speed and, uh, and we, and we won that year,
you know, 94, so, um, I thinkthat we just had great
combinations for those types ofrace courses.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, okay, yeah, it makes sense.
I mean it's such a uniquecourse with that big wide turn,
that small roostale yeah, sounique.
I really wish we could get backon that, back on the circuit.
I've never had experience ofdetroit race.
I wish I want experience at onetime.
So I'm hoping the series canget back there it would be great
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.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I you know they need the event.
There's a lot of people herethat want it, but I don't know.
You know the differencesbetween H1 and the groups trying
to put it on and sponsorshipdollars.
I think it's a.
You know it's a big fightingcircle there.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
Well, you continue to race withSteve Umer for many more years,
up through the 90 or up to the97 season, and he passed away
shortly before the 98 season.
That had to have been a reallyhard time.
I'm sure you were pretty closewith Steve.
That just had to be hard tothink about continuing on think
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about continuing on.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Well, when Steve died , it was the point of taking a
step back.
And you know, talking to Jimand you know what's Kenny
Woomer's feelings are with theteam, where do we need to be,
what do we need to support?
And you know how do we all getthrough this and, um, so you
know, that was just a year oftaking off and really
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understanding if, if Kennywanted to continue on with
racing, you know, for his dad,or taking a step back, and you
know, what did Jim Lucero wantto do?
And, um, I based I, I kind oflet them dictate of you know I I
fed off of them.
Okay, I agree, we're going totake the year off.
We're not going to race.
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Then Kenny decided he was goingto sell everything.
New owners were buying it.
They had, you know, theirdirection and their focus, that
they were going and my bucketlist was pretty full.
You know I felt good aboutwhere I was in the sport and
what I accomplished and you knowI had a family at that time.
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So you know Jim and the groupwanted to race.
I was going to race.
Well, you know, so that was ayear off.
The next year, about halfwaythrough the season, jim Harvey
called me again and he waswanting to make a move away from
Steve David and for whateverreasons I don't know.
So I joined the team inTri-Cities.
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I ran Tri-Cities Seattle, SanDiego and Hawaii with Jim Harvey
the four years before and hissponsor re-signed and said, okay
, I'll race another year withyou.
And we raced that year and then, um, I stepped away again and
then I raced the one race in2002 I think for pico and and
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that came about or 98, 98 and 98.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
98, was it?
Yeah, 98, 1998.
Yeah, you ran the Gold Cup inDetroit, correct?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's right, yeah, that was the year.
Steve died yeah.
And Fred and the sponsor, picoBrothers, came up to me the
Wisneys and just said hey, wegot a second boat here, we want
to run it.
It's our hometown race, wouldyou be willing to do it?
So I did it on a flim.
There was nothing planned and Ididn't really test the boat but
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once and off into the race andit wasn't competitive and it was
a difficult boat to drive.
It had a bad rudder and a lotof torque.
But okay, I did it for the Picoand the Wisneys and the
hometown crowd.
And then I came back after thatand the next year and joined
Harvey halfway through theseason and ran a full season
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with him and it was I enjoyedthat coming back and helping Jim
.
You know, I kind of went fullcircle with him and had an
opportunity to come back andhelp his program along and, uh,
it had value and meaning to mepersonally.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah Well, yeah, like you said, it was full circle.
You started with Harvey, youended with Harvey.
And one thing that's, I think,notable about your second stint
with Harvey uh, Ron Brown washelping the team out.
I don't know how much of animpact he had with the team.
I don't know if he was crewchief at that time or not, but
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he was.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He'd helped Jim build that one boat and I only drove
that boat, that new boat.
I drove the old boat, thetwo-wing boat that got filled in
, finished the one year,finished the whole next year and
then they built that new boatthat Ron Brown had some input on
and they had Fury truck.
So he drove it.
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I drove it one time in testingin Detroit because they wanted
some different input and um, Iagreed to drive it and and um, I
agreed to drive it and I said I.
I said I don't know if this isthe right thing to do at the
gold cup you got a driver, youknow, and they threw me in it
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and unannounced to a lot ofpeople and up it, upset some
people and um, but I at leastgave him as much data as I could
what I felt was going on withthe boat and it made sense to
him.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
What were your thoughts on that new boat that
he had back then?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Um, yeah, the boat was heavy, it was out of balance
, um, it wouldn't go through acorner, it um, it, uh, it really
really pushed over and launchedin the corners.
Really bad and um.
But I think when they builtthat boat they were making
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design changes as they werebuilding it and it got heavy,
heavy in the wrong spots and Idon't think they could do much,
much with the balance of it atthat point and harvey scrapped
it and you know, and that thatwas kind of the end of that of
that boat in that era yeah, yeah, unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, backing up to your last stint with Woomer, I
just remember that offseasonbefore the season in 98, before
he passed away hearing that RonBrown was brought on board to
work with Woomer and Lucero andI just remember being really
excited because I wasn't a Budguy back then.
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My dad was a huge Budweiser fan.
He crewed for 10 Muscatel but Iwas.
I was had some charm for thatboat that you drove and I was
rooted for you guys, so I wasreally excited to see where that
was going to go.
It was just unfortunate that ithappened back then.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, it would.
It would have been exciting forme.
The only thing I regret in thenine years that I was with Steve
Woomer, they bought the circusprogram and we just kept
refining that one boat.
We did take the lobster boatthat Jim Cropfield drove and we
made changes to it and made itmore of a conventional boat.
We only ran it once, but in mywhole nine years that I was
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there I think budweiser builtlike five boats.
We never built one right and itfelt, if we had something new,
lighter, um, that we could havebeen even been a little more
competitive.
And I was, maybe when ronniecame on that, uh, you know,
maybe he'd peel the decks offour boat, make some changes and
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lighten it up, because it wasgetting heavy and it was getting
heavy in the wrong areas and wekept lengthening the ram wings
and lengthening them and gettingcloser to the canard wings.
So then you were losing alittle bit of control with the
canard wing because back then wedidn didn't.
We had flaps, you know, theyweren't articulate, so we kind
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of went as far as we could withthat to keep the boat.
You know, um, get air under theboat.
But uh, you know, never happened.
We never had a new boat but uh,you know, woomer passed away
and everything went away.
But uh, you know, having jimlacero overseeing ronnie brown
and ronnie brown bringing indewey norton and having dewey
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and butch on the motor programs,I mean it.
I felt we were going to elevateour program right along because
we had some good things, I'msure ronnie and would bring in
some things from Budweiser ofknowledge he had, and you know
we would address things and bumpthat program quite a bit
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forward.
But unfortunately it didn'thappen.
But you know, I liked RonnieBrown.
I drove for Ronnie Brown backin the Grand Prix days with his
long gone and his dad, so I hada good relationship and knew
Ronnie for a long, long time.
So I felt that it would just be, the chemistry was already
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there.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, yeah, dang.
Unfortunate that didn't get toplay out.
Yeah, but one cool thing Ithought was really fun is that
you got Steve's last win inHawaii, that 97 season with
post-call.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yep, yeah, again, two and a half mile track.
We had great setups for Hawaiiand you know, we knew Steve was
making a decision there if hewas going to move forward or
hang it up.
So that was really cool to winthat, knowing the general public
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didn't know what Steve wasthinking, only me, lucero and
Steve and us winning that, Ithink, really lit a fire under
him again where he wanted torace and he wanted to accomplish
things and that he hadn't, youknow, fulfilled on his bucket
list.
You know, winning a boatchampionship, yeah.
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So he decided to race again andthat's when he went out and
hired um ronnie and ronniebrought in dewey norton and a
couple other crew guys and Imean they were actively going
through things um and makingchanges.
So unfortunate, but yeah, itwas neat that we won the very
last race for Steve.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, exactly, well, over your career, you, you race
with a lot of talented people,drivers, and you know with and
against them, and I have a listof names here.
I was hoping you could kind oftell me your thoughts about them
and be as candid as you want onhere.
And so far you haven't swornyet.
(16:51):
So we're at zero for the swearcount, patrick.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But first on my list of names is Chip Paneller you
know, chip was a uh, a greatcompetitor and he was a very,
very fair driver on the racecourse.
He was somebody you could trustand, um, and you kind of
understood that, hey, we'regoing into this corner side by
side and you know you felt chipwas gonna, you know we were
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gonna go in and come out and youknow I had that confidence in
him as a competitor and um, hewas a, he was a very hard driver
and um, kind of one thing aboutchip is is my son andrew yeah,
he grew up a Chip Anor fan.
He loved Chip.
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When he was younger he used togo seek out Chip and say hi to
him and sit with him and evenhad pictures of Chip.
So you know, not only was Chipa fierce competitor of mine and
somebody that I did respect andlook up to, you know, my family
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took interest in him also.
So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, very cool, very cool, Scott Pierce.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Scotty, what a great person On the race course.
If something happened, it wasalways somebody else's fault,
not Scott's fault and, um, blesshis heart, he's not with us
today, but uh, he drove hard, um, but uh, you know the we had a
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couple of running bumps at timesand he, you know and like well.
I don't know what's up with thatguy, you know, and, um, you
know it's, it's like tri-cities.
You know, he, he, he plump,screwed up there.
You know, I was in and and wasin my lane and he came up from
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behind me and ran over the topof the boat and saw the sponsor
and off and stuff, because hehit the skid fin and um, I got
on the radio right away and Isaid I think budweiser's done, I
think their boat's coming apart.
He just ran over the top of theskid fin and the whole left
side of the boat and, uh, butthings like that.
But I think for Scott you knowhis dad raced and everything and
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for him to get the Budweiserride and accomplish the things
that he did there, hats off tohim.
You know, sometimes people aredeserving of things like that.
So yeah, Mark Evans.
Mark was what a character.
He was a very good driver.
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Again, he was one that youcould trust and race hard with.
You know he got opportunitiesat Budweiser at times and with
Pico, and when he got thoseopportunities he was a very good
driver, you know, won someraces and a lot of respect there
of how Mark came into the sport.
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Very good driver, you know, wonsome races and, uh, um, a lot
of respect there of of, of ofhow Mark came into the sport and
how he worked so hard to getthese opportunities and once he
got them, I thought he was, uh,did very well with them.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Well, here's a name and Andrewstill races with them Dave Vilwa
.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Super Dave, super Dave, super.
Dave had good races with DaveAgain, dave, you know, like in
Madison one year he come overtwice on me when Budweiser was
inside and we won the race race.
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But those types of tacticsaren't to be used on the race
course in my opinion.
And Dave was a hard driver.
He was very successful.
A lot of respect for him as asa racer back then and um, and a
very smart individual.
I think that he brought a lotof technology with Pico.
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I think that their boats reallydidn't advance but their
propeller program did and theirmotor program did under Pico and
I think that that was a bigasset to Dave's career of making
them good.
And then when he got hired intoBudweiser, I think he had more
freedom on how to just, you know, boat design and setting it up
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differently.
And and I think Dave really hadshown over the years, when I was
racing against him, of howtechnical he really was and and
he is a very smart individualand um, um, and he was a good
driver, steve, david, steve, youknow it's funny, I had a
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relationship with Steve.
I drove one liters against him,I drove seven liters against
him and then we drove anUnlimited and I think Steve was
just a really average driver.
You know he drove well, hedrove smart when he got to the
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Madison program and they won alot, but for some reason, under
pressure, steve never won thebig races.
He couldn't win them in the oneleaders, couldn't win them in
the seven leaders and hecouldn't win when he had
opportunities with the Madisonprogram.
And unfortunate that, you know,maybe he deserves to have his
name on the Gold Cup, just likeJim Crockfield.
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They never accomplished that,but all in all Steve was a great
ambassador of the sport, alwaysa very positive individual, no
matter what the circumstanceswere, and you got to respect
that.
He was a good.
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He was not the driver of a ChipHanno or Dave Ville walk, but he
was a good driver, yeah, butprobably one of the best
ambassadors of the sport overthe years oh, yeah, yeah tom to
eat, tommy, you know, again,I've had relationship with tommy
before unlimited racing andthen, uh, I only got to drive
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against them, I think, um, theone my first year in the sport,
um, but again tommy was he couldget a little more out of every
boat that he was ever in the onemy first year in the sport, but
again Tommy was he could get alittle more out of every boat
that he was ever in and he was avery smart driver and he drove
within the limits of the boat.
But he was always on the starts.
He was very smooth around therace course.
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He knew where his position was,where he needed to be and who
he was racing against and whathe wanted to do.
Um, he always had a good gameplan coming into each event and
he knew the race courses very,very well of all of his years
racing.
So when he got to the budweiserride, I mean it was just a
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natural for the guy and um, youknow, even like when he drove
the miss us and detroit and wonthe gold cup for him, uh, I
didn't, I wasn't there, I didn'tget to see it, but I did watch
films of it over the years andyou know, just kept driving the
boat, driving the boat, drivingthe boat, you know, and and put
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himself in the position to winthat race.
He wasn't the fastest boat, buthe out drove the guy and, uh,
you know, hats off to him.
And and even today you know alot of respect for tom teeth.
You know, as a boat driver youknow he built a lot of you know,
not a lot, but he built a lotof limited inboard boats or
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refined a lot of the smallerinboard boats and helped a lot
of people over the years.
He even built race engines forfor teams back then.
He built race engines for tomfunka and the five liter which I
set all the world records withat one time.
So tom was always a very he wasa, a person that you could
always, even if you were racingagainst him, you could go up to
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him and ask him a question andhe would.
He would be very honest withyou and give you the right
direction and focus where youneeded to be.
So tremendous amount of respectfor you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, and not everyone's like that, right?
Not everyone's going to giveyou their honest feedback, right
, jim Lucero?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Jim, uh, jim, I can't say enough good things about
Jim and how he took me under hiswing and helped develop me as a
driver and the knowledge thathe gave to me as a driver.
You know, coming into UnlimitedI felt I was a very good driver
and I drove very hard.
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But Jim gave me the knowledgeof propellers.
You know when we put props on,why one worked, why one didn't,
and we would go over.
You know the pitch, the rake,the diameters, the blade shapes.
You know learning how to matchprops to gear ratios, how to
balance boats, weightdistribution.
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We know what.
You know what it does and youknow, and you know learning the
rear wing and what it would doon the race course during from
race, water to qualifying andthings, and um, very, very
knowledgeable and um, I thinkJim was, once you got to know
Jim and he accepted you into hiscircle, what a great individual
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Would do anything for me.
You know, and vice versa, Iwould have done anything for Jim
and I can't pay enough thanksto Jim Lucero.
So you know, I got a Jim Lucerostory and I I told it at
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Madison.
But, uh, my first year racingfor Jim, I would say, hey, jim,
we need, we need to drop percent.
We're getting, you know, two,three percent on the gear.
We're getting killed off thecorner, especially on two mile
tracks.
You know, and Jim would look atme and he'd shake his head and
he'd give me the peace sign.
I walk off the dock, you know,or turn and walk away from me
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and, um, or you know, I wouldsay, well, I think we need to do
this or do that, and he'd shakehis head, you know, okay, and
do this, and walk away.
About a year and a half intothe sports, through the second
year, I was kind of adamant,like I'm god damn it, this is
what we need.
We need to do this.
We're gonna have a shot atwinning this race.
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We need, we need to make achange.
And uh, and, and jim did that,and I was ready for him, and he
turned and I grabbed his arm andhe turned around.
He looked at me with a sternface that jim lacero always had,
you know, at times, like yeah,what?
And I said, jim, what does thismean?
Every time I ask for something,you give me the peace sign.
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He goes, oh, you don't know,and I said no, and goes I don't
think so and no way.
And I stood and he turnedaround and walked away and I'm
standing there like, oh my gosh,he's been giving me that sign
for a year and a half.
So that's my Jim Lacerro story.
But the funny thing was, as myboys were getting older, I told
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them this story.
So anytime, hey dad, I wantthis, hey dad, I want that, and
me and his mom and their momwould go like this and they knew
no way, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, I have one.
I have one story I want toshare real quick, because Jim,
he consulted for 10 mesquitellefor a number of years, the late
nineties, in early two thousands.
And I remember being at a racein colonna I think this was like
99 or 2000 or something likethat and the boat ride was
really rough, it was rough waterand ken came in and jim said,
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well, what happened out there?
And ken said, oh, the boatdrives like shit.
And Jim just looked at him andhe put his hand up like he was
looking at a book, like animaginary book.
He says, well, if I look in themanual drives like shit,
doesn't tell me anything Like Ineed some real feedback here.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, that was one thing that I was very proud of
is that after every test run orevery race, butch Jim and me
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would meet in the truck and Alexwould download the data and we
would go over that data.
But before Alex would downloadit and we would have that
meeting, jim would debrief me.
You know what the boat do, whatyou like, what didn't you like,
and Jim was amazed of the inputthat I could give on the boat.
He he said that I was probablythe best driver that he ever
worked with of giving him reallygood feedback.
And jim was very, you know,very good at watching the boat
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and you know, sometimes withbinoculars, sometimes without,
depending on the race course andthe area, I might be having a
difficulty with it on the track.
You know, on the race course andhe goes yep, that's exactly
what I was seeing.
I was seeing this and this andand uh, and we would get on the
same page.
And then how do we get betterthere?
Um, and butch corning, you knowhe's.
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He said unbelievable.
He goes do you ever back off?
And I said, well, no, you'renot supposed to right.
That boat was a very forgivingboat.
It was a cadillac to drive andit was very, very responsive to
the front wing and I couldreally drive the boat very, very
well by just controlling itwith the front wing.
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Wow, it was just a beautifulboat.
But the communications with Jimand how we were on the same
page and, as I gathered moreknowledge over the years, you
know the team was, you know wewere really good at getting a
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good boat set up.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, Well, there's no doubt about that, mark, but
that's all the time we have forthis week, knuckleheads.
Make sure you come back nextweek with part three and the
conclusion of my interview withMark Tate.
Mark was so gracious with histime and really has some more
great stories to share.
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Ruchetel Talk, the podcast dedicated to everything
about the sport that we all love, Hydroplane racing.
I am your host, david Newton,and it's time once again.
So sit back, relax and welcome.
Rooster Tail Talk.
Welcome back race fans.
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We're on to episode 154, andthis is part two of my
conversation with Mark Tate.
Now, today's July 20th, we'redays away from the APBA Gold Cup
being held in Tri-Cities,washington.
The following week is theSeafair Regatta, so it's a
magical time for hydroplaneracing in the Pacific Northwest,
as we have back-to-back racesacross the state of Washington.
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Looks to be a great race, butthat's not what today's episode
is about.
We're going to jump back intomy conversation with Mark Tate,
and he's going to continuetalking about his career, as we
first talk about him winningthat second Gold Cup in Detroit
in 1994.
It was a magical time for himand RJ Reynolds, as they were
able to claim a second Gold Cupwith Steve Loomer.
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And he'll talk more about hiscareer where it went and,
notably, we're going to end theepisode talking about some more
characters and people that madeimpacts on his career, both
racing with and against.
So let's get back in to myconversation with Mark Tate.
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Well, the next year you did itagain.
You won a Gold Cup in 94, butdifferent colors.
You switched to the Smoke andJoe's racing Got your second
Gold Cup victory.
How did that rank Like?
Which one meant more to you?
The 91, 94,?
Did they each have their ownflavor?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They both had their own flavor.
But when you sit back and youlook at the first one was a
truly a unbelievable day and theother one, you know, we felt
that we're, we were always closeat times.
You know, at Detroit, the oneyear when we were really fast,
we blew up a motor right afterthe start finish line, you know,
just went across the startingline, starting to pull down away
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from everybody, boom, therewent the motor.
Another time in Detroit, wewere really fast and Chip ran
over the, you know, lost hisboat and ran over the top of us
and took us out of the race.
Detroit, we had really goodsetups.
We were always very, verycompetitive at that event.
And then we changed colors andwent to Smoke and Joe's and
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everything aligned and we wonthe race.
And it was very gratifyingbecause the two years prior we
felt that we were the fastestboat there and that we could
have, you know, should have wonif, if, things would have been
differently.
But um, so that one wasgratifying because we had worked
so hard for so many years to beso on in Detroit and run so
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good there.
And um, after the event I toldRJ Reynolds, I said well, I said
.
I said I think we should changecolors every year, if we even
do it for one race in Detroit,because it seems like new team,
new colors, we win.
And they all chuckled about itand they said they didn't know
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if they had that many cigarettebrands.
That's funny yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh, man.
Well, do you think you had aleg up though, just being from
Detroit area, knowing thatcourse so well, Do you think
that played into it?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
No, I don't.
I think our boat wasexceptionally well at Detroit
because of the two turns.
You know, budweiser on atwo-mile track normally always
had a leg up, honestly, justalways seemed to have a little
better acceleration than us andwe had the top end and we always
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did good on two-and-a-half-miletracks.
If you look at it Detroit, sanDiego, hawaii you know those
were kind of our tri-cities.
You know, if you look at all mywins they were all on those two
and a half mile courses and Ithink that we all the boat, we
had good combinations for thosetype of race courses.
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We had the right gearcombinations for those race
courses.
And I like Detroit because howare you going to set the boat up
?
Did you want to set it up to gosuper fast through a big turn
or did you want to get throughthe pit turn and off the corner
and the Detroit race?
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We always tried to go throughthe big turn as quick as we
could but we could come up witha combination that we didn't
give up a lot in the big turnbut we could really get through
the second corner and we couldreally make people hold their
lines in there and if we had theinside, we could hold our line.
If we were outside somebody, ifwe had the lead, we could pinch
them down and make them turn.
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Outside somebody, if we had thelead, we could pinch them down
and make them make them turn.
Um, you know, like when I beatNate Brown there, he broke out
front in the tide, I ran himdown and when we got to the pit
turn, got right past the apex.
I had already left him a laneand I was straightening up and
going and he was, you know, hewas having to give it a lot more
right rudder left, I mean to toget through that corner, and he
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lost all his boat speed and, uh, and we, and we won that year,
you know, 94, so, um, I thinkthat we just had great
combinations for those types ofrace courses.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, okay, yeah, it makes sense.
I mean it's such a uniquecourse with that big wide turn,
that small roostale yeah, sounique.
I really wish we could get backon that, back on the circuit.
I've never had experience ofdetroit race.
I wish I want experience at onetime.
So I'm hoping the series canget back there it would be great
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.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I you know they need the event.
There's a lot of people herethat want it, but I don't know.
You know the differencesbetween H1 and the groups trying
to put it on and sponsorshipdollars.
I think it's a.
You know it's a big fightingcircle there.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
Well, you continue to race withSteve Umer for many more years,
up through the 90 or up to the97 season, and he passed away
shortly before the 98 season.
That had to have been a reallyhard time.
I'm sure you were pretty closewith Steve.
That just had to be hard tothink about continuing on think
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about continuing on.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Well, when Steve died , it was the point of taking a
step back.
And you know, talking to Jimand you know what's Kenny
Woomer's feelings are with theteam, where do we need to be,
what do we need to support?
And you know how do we all getthrough this and, um, so you
know, that was just a year oftaking off and really
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understanding if, if Kennywanted to continue on with
racing, you know, for his dad,or taking a step back, and you
know, what did Jim Lucero wantto do?
And, um, I based I, I kind oflet them dictate of you know I I
fed off of them.
Okay, I agree, we're going totake the year off.
We're not going to race.
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Then Kenny decided he was goingto sell everything.
New owners were buying it.
They had, you know, theirdirection and their focus, that
they were going and my bucketlist was pretty full.
You know I felt good aboutwhere I was in the sport and
what I accomplished and you knowI had a family at that time.
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So you know Jim and the groupwanted to race.
I was going to race.
Well, you know, so that was ayear off.
The next year, about halfwaythrough the season, jim Harvey
called me again and he waswanting to make a move away from
Steve David and for whateverreasons I don't know.
So I joined the team inTri-Cities.
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I ran Tri-Cities Seattle, SanDiego and Hawaii with Jim Harvey
the four years before and hissponsor re-signed and said, okay
, I'll race another year withyou.
And we raced that year and then, um, I stepped away again and
then I raced the one race in2002 I think for pico and and
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that came about or 98, 98 and 98.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
98, was it?
Yeah, 98, 1998.
Yeah, you ran the Gold Cup inDetroit, correct?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's right, yeah, that was the year.
Steve died yeah.
And Fred and the sponsor, picoBrothers, came up to me the
Wisneys and just said hey, wegot a second boat here, we want
to run it.
It's our hometown race, wouldyou be willing to do it?
So I did it on a flim.
There was nothing planned and Ididn't really test the boat but
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once and off into the race andit wasn't competitive and it was
a difficult boat to drive.
It had a bad rudder and a lotof torque.
But okay, I did it for the Picoand the Wisneys and the
hometown crowd.
And then I came back after thatand the next year and joined
Harvey halfway through theseason and ran a full season
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with him and it was I enjoyedthat coming back and helping Jim
.
You know, I kind of went fullcircle with him and had an
opportunity to come back andhelp his program along and, uh,
it had value and meaning to mepersonally.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah Well, yeah, like you said, it was full circle.
You started with Harvey, youended with Harvey.
And one thing that's, I think,notable about your second stint
with Harvey uh, Ron Brown washelping the team out.
I don't know how much of animpact he had with the team.
I don't know if he was crewchief at that time or not, but
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he was.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He'd helped Jim build that one boat and I only drove
that boat, that new boat.
I drove the old boat, thetwo-wing boat that got filled in
, finished the one year,finished the whole next year and
then they built that new boatthat Ron Brown had some input on
and they had Fury truck.
So he drove it.
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I drove it one time in testingin Detroit because they wanted
some different input and um, Iagreed to drive it and and um, I
agreed to drive it and I said I.
I said I don't know if this isthe right thing to do at the
gold cup you got a driver, youknow, and they threw me in it
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and unannounced to a lot ofpeople and up it, upset some
people and um, but I at leastgave him as much data as I could
what I felt was going on withthe boat and it made sense to
him.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
What were your thoughts on that new boat that
he had back then?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Um, yeah, the boat was heavy, it was out of balance
, um, it wouldn't go through acorner, it um, it, uh, it really
really pushed over and launchedin the corners.
Really bad and um.
But I think when they builtthat boat they were making
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design changes as they werebuilding it and it got heavy,
heavy in the wrong spots and Idon't think they could do much,
much with the balance of it atthat point and harvey scrapped
it and you know, and that thatwas kind of the end of that of
that boat in that era yeah, yeah, unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, backing up to your last stint with Woomer, I
just remember that offseasonbefore the season in 98, before
he passed away hearing that RonBrown was brought on board to
work with Woomer and Lucero andI just remember being really
excited because I wasn't a Budguy back then.
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My dad was a huge Budweiser fan.
He crewed for 10 Muscatel but Iwas.
I was had some charm for thatboat that you drove and I was
rooted for you guys, so I wasreally excited to see where that
was going to go.
It was just unfortunate that ithappened back then.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, it would.
It would have been exciting forme.
The only thing I regret in thenine years that I was with Steve
Woomer, they bought the circusprogram and we just kept
refining that one boat.
We did take the lobster boatthat Jim Cropfield drove and we
made changes to it and made itmore of a conventional boat.
We only ran it once, but in mywhole nine years that I was
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there I think budweiser builtlike five boats.
We never built one right and itfelt, if we had something new,
lighter, um, that we could havebeen even been a little more
competitive.
And I was, maybe when ronniecame on that, uh, you know,
maybe he'd peel the decks offour boat, make some changes and
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lighten it up, because it wasgetting heavy and it was getting
heavy in the wrong areas and wekept lengthening the ram wings
and lengthening them and gettingcloser to the canard wings.
So then you were losing alittle bit of control with the
canard wing because back then wedidn didn't.
We had flaps, you know, theyweren't articulate, so we kind
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of went as far as we could withthat to keep the boat.
You know, um, get air under theboat.
But uh, you know, never happened.
We never had a new boat but uh,you know, woomer passed away
and everything went away.
But uh, you know, having jimlacero overseeing ronnie brown
and ronnie brown bringing indewey norton and having dewey
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and butch on the motor programs,I mean it.
I felt we were going to elevateour program right along because
we had some good things, I'msure ronnie and would bring in
some things from Budweiser ofknowledge he had, and you know
we would address things and bumpthat program quite a bit
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forward.
But unfortunately it didn'thappen.
But you know, I liked RonnieBrown.
I drove for Ronnie Brown backin the Grand Prix days with his
long gone and his dad, so I hada good relationship and knew
Ronnie for a long, long time.
So I felt that it would just be, the chemistry was already
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there.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, yeah, dang.
Unfortunate that didn't get toplay out.
Yeah, but one cool thing Ithought was really fun is that
you got Steve's last win inHawaii, that 97 season with
post-call.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yep, yeah, again, two and a half mile track.
We had great setups for Hawaiiand you know, we knew Steve was
making a decision there if hewas going to move forward or
hang it up.
So that was really cool to winthat, knowing the general public
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didn't know what Steve wasthinking, only me, lucero and
Steve and us winning that, Ithink, really lit a fire under
him again where he wanted torace and he wanted to accomplish
things and that he hadn't, youknow, fulfilled on his bucket
list.
You know, winning a boatchampionship, yeah.
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So he decided to race again andthat's when he went out and
hired um ronnie and ronniebrought in dewey norton and a
couple other crew guys and Imean they were actively going
through things um and makingchanges.
So unfortunate, but yeah, itwas neat that we won the very
last race for Steve.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, exactly, well, over your career, you, you race
with a lot of talented people,drivers, and you know with and
against them, and I have a listof names here.
I was hoping you could kind oftell me your thoughts about them
and be as candid as you want onhere.
And so far you haven't swornyet.
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So we're at zero for the swearcount, patrick.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But first on my list of names is Chip Paneller you
know, chip was a uh, a greatcompetitor and he was a very,
very fair driver on the racecourse.
He was somebody you could trustand, um, and you kind of
understood that, hey, we'regoing into this corner side by
side and you know you felt chipwas gonna, you know we were
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gonna go in and come out and youknow I had that confidence in
him as a competitor and um, hewas a, he was a very hard driver
and um, kind of one thing aboutchip is is my son andrew yeah,
he grew up a Chip Anor fan.
He loved Chip.
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When he was younger he used togo seek out Chip and say hi to
him and sit with him and evenhad pictures of Chip.
So you know, not only was Chipa fierce competitor of mine and
somebody that I did respect andlook up to, you know, my family
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took interest in him also.
So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, very cool, very cool, Scott Pierce.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Scotty, what a great person On the race course.
If something happened, it wasalways somebody else's fault,
not Scott's fault and, um, blesshis heart, he's not with us
today, but uh, he drove hard, um, but uh, you know the we had a
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couple of running bumps at timesand he, you know and like well.
I don't know what's up with thatguy, you know, and, um, you
know it's, it's like tri-cities.
You know, he, he, he plump,screwed up there.
You know, I was in and and wasin my lane and he came up from
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behind me and ran over the topof the boat and saw the sponsor
and off and stuff, because hehit the skid fin and um, I got
on the radio right away and Isaid I think budweiser's done, I
think their boat's coming apart.
He just ran over the top of theskid fin and the whole left
side of the boat and, uh, butthings like that.
But I think for Scott you knowhis dad raced and everything and
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for him to get the Budweiserride and accomplish the things
that he did there, hats off tohim.
You know, sometimes people aredeserving of things like that.
So yeah, Mark Evans.
Mark was what a character.
He was a very good driver.
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Again, he was one that youcould trust and race hard with.
You know he got opportunitiesat Budweiser at times and with
Pico, and when he got thoseopportunities he was a very good
driver, you know, won someraces and a lot of respect there
of how Mark came into the sport.
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Very good driver, you know, wonsome races and, uh, um, a lot
of respect there of of, of ofhow Mark came into the sport and
how he worked so hard to getthese opportunities and once he
got them, I thought he was, uh,did very well with them.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Well, here's a name and Andrewstill races with them Dave Vilwa
.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Super Dave, super Dave, super.
Dave had good races with DaveAgain, dave, you know, like in
Madison one year he come overtwice on me when Budweiser was
inside and we won the race race.
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But those types of tacticsaren't to be used on the race
course in my opinion.
And Dave was a hard driver.
He was very successful.
A lot of respect for him as asa racer back then and um, and a
very smart individual.
I think that he brought a lotof technology with Pico.
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I think that their boats reallydidn't advance but their
propeller program did and theirmotor program did under Pico and
I think that that was a bigasset to Dave's career of making
them good.
And then when he got hired intoBudweiser, I think he had more
freedom on how to just, you know, boat design and setting it up
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differently.
And and I think Dave really hadshown over the years, when I was
racing against him, of howtechnical he really was and and
he is a very smart individualand um, um, and he was a good
driver, steve, david, steve, youknow it's funny, I had a
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relationship with Steve.
I drove one liters against him,I drove seven liters against
him and then we drove anUnlimited and I think Steve was
just a really average driver.
You know he drove well, hedrove smart when he got to the
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Madison program and they won alot, but for some reason, under
pressure, steve never won thebig races.
He couldn't win them in the oneleaders, couldn't win them in
the seven leaders and hecouldn't win when he had
opportunities with the Madisonprogram.
And unfortunate that, you know,maybe he deserves to have his
name on the Gold Cup, just likeJim Crockfield.
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They never accomplished that,but all in all Steve was a great
ambassador of the sport, alwaysa very positive individual, no
matter what the circumstanceswere, and you got to respect
that.
He was a good.
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He was not the driver of a ChipHanno or Dave Ville walk, but he
was a good driver, yeah, butprobably one of the best
ambassadors of the sport overthe years oh, yeah, yeah tom to
eat, tommy, you know, again,I've had relationship with tommy
before unlimited racing andthen, uh, I only got to drive
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against them, I think, um, theone my first year in the sport,
um, but again tommy was he couldget a little more out of every
boat that he was ever in the onemy first year in the sport, but
again Tommy was he could get alittle more out of every boat
that he was ever in and he was avery smart driver and he drove
within the limits of the boat.
But he was always on the starts.
He was very smooth around therace course.
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He knew where his position was,where he needed to be and who
he was racing against and whathe wanted to do.
Um, he always had a good gameplan coming into each event and
he knew the race courses very,very well of all of his years
racing.
So when he got to the budweiserride, I mean it was just a
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natural for the guy and um, youknow, even like when he drove
the miss us and detroit and wonthe gold cup for him, uh, I
didn't, I wasn't there, I didn'tget to see it, but I did watch
films of it over the years andyou know, just kept driving the
boat, driving the boat, drivingthe boat, you know, and and put
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himself in the position to winthat race.
He wasn't the fastest boat, buthe out drove the guy and, uh,
you know, hats off to him.
And and even today you know alot of respect for tom teeth.
You know, as a boat driver youknow he built a lot of you know,
not a lot, but he built a lotof limited inboard boats or
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refined a lot of the smallerinboard boats and helped a lot
of people over the years.
He even built race engines forfor teams back then.
He built race engines for tomfunka and the five liter which I
set all the world records withat one time.
So tom was always a very he wasa, a person that you could
always, even if you were racingagainst him, you could go up to
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him and ask him a question andhe would.
He would be very honest withyou and give you the right
direction and focus where youneeded to be.
So tremendous amount of respectfor you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, and not everyone's like that, right?
Not everyone's going to giveyou their honest feedback, right
, jim Lucero?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Jim, uh, jim, I can't say enough good things about
Jim and how he took me under hiswing and helped develop me as a
driver and the knowledge thathe gave to me as a driver.
You know, coming into UnlimitedI felt I was a very good driver
and I drove very hard.
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But Jim gave me the knowledgeof propellers.
You know when we put props on,why one worked, why one didn't,
and we would go over.
You know the pitch, the rake,the diameters, the blade shapes.
You know learning how to matchprops to gear ratios, how to
balance boats, weightdistribution.
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We know what.
You know what it does and youknow, and you know learning the
rear wing and what it would doon the race course during from
race, water to qualifying andthings, and um, very, very
knowledgeable and um, I thinkJim was, once you got to know
Jim and he accepted you into hiscircle, what a great individual
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Would do anything for me.
You know, and vice versa, Iwould have done anything for Jim
and I can't pay enough thanksto Jim Lucero.
So you know, I got a Jim Lucerostory and I I told it at
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Madison.
But, uh, my first year racingfor Jim, I would say, hey, jim,
we need, we need to drop percent.
We're getting, you know, two,three percent on the gear.
We're getting killed off thecorner, especially on two mile
tracks.
You know, and Jim would look atme and he'd shake his head and
he'd give me the peace sign.
I walk off the dock, you know,or turn and walk away from me
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and, um, or you know, I wouldsay, well, I think we need to do
this or do that, and he'd shakehis head, you know, okay, and
do this, and walk away.
About a year and a half intothe sports, through the second
year, I was kind of adamant,like I'm god damn it, this is
what we need.
We need to do this.
We're gonna have a shot atwinning this race.
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We need, we need to make achange.
And uh, and, and jim did that,and I was ready for him, and he
turned and I grabbed his arm andhe turned around.
He looked at me with a sternface that jim lacero always had,
you know, at times, like yeah,what?
And I said, jim, what does thismean?
Every time I ask for something,you give me the peace sign.
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He goes, oh, you don't know,and I said no, and goes I don't
think so and no way.
And I stood and he turnedaround and walked away and I'm
standing there like, oh my gosh,he's been giving me that sign
for a year and a half.
So that's my Jim Lacerro story.
But the funny thing was, as myboys were getting older, I told
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them this story.
So anytime, hey dad, I wantthis, hey dad, I want that, and
me and his mom and their momwould go like this and they knew
no way, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, I have one.
I have one story I want toshare real quick, because Jim,
he consulted for 10 mesquitellefor a number of years, the late
nineties, in early two thousands.
And I remember being at a racein colonna I think this was like
99 or 2000 or something likethat and the boat ride was
really rough, it was rough waterand ken came in and jim said,
(28:55):
well, what happened out there?
And ken said, oh, the boatdrives like shit.
And Jim just looked at him andhe put his hand up like he was
looking at a book, like animaginary book.
He says, well, if I look in themanual drives like shit,
doesn't tell me anything Like Ineed some real feedback here.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, that was one thing that I was very proud of
is that after every test run orevery race, butch Jim and me
(29:35):
would meet in the truck and Alexwould download the data and we
would go over that data.
But before Alex would downloadit and we would have that
meeting, jim would debrief me.
You know what the boat do, whatyou like, what didn't you like,
and Jim was amazed of the inputthat I could give on the boat.
He he said that I was probablythe best driver that he ever
worked with of giving him reallygood feedback.
And jim was very, you know,very good at watching the boat
(29:59):
and you know, sometimes withbinoculars, sometimes without,
depending on the race course andthe area, I might be having a
difficulty with it on the track.
You know, on the race course andhe goes yep, that's exactly
what I was seeing.
I was seeing this and this andand uh, and we would get on the
same page.
And then how do we get betterthere?
Um, and butch corning, you knowhe's.
(30:21):
He said unbelievable.
He goes do you ever back off?
And I said, well, no, you'renot supposed to right.
That boat was a very forgivingboat.
It was a cadillac to drive andit was very, very responsive to
the front wing and I couldreally drive the boat very, very
well by just controlling itwith the front wing.
(30:41):
Wow, it was just a beautifulboat.
But the communications with Jimand how we were on the same
page and, as I gathered moreknowledge over the years, you
know the team was, you know wewere really good at getting a
(31:02):
good boat set up.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, Well, there's no doubt about that, mark, but
that's all the time we have forthis week, knuckleheads.
Make sure you come back nextweek with part three and the
conclusion of my interview withMark Tate.
Mark was so gracious with histime and really has some more
great stories to share.
Make sure you come back nextweek to hear those.
In the meantime, make sure youcheck us out online at
(31:26):
roostertelltalkcom or on oursocial media pages on Instagram
and Facebook.
If you haven't checked outRooster Tail Talk Plus yet, make
sure you do.
You can find the link in thebio below.
But with the premiumsubscription you get more access
to more content on our website.
I have several articles,photographs, and I'm going to be
(31:47):
adding more to that throughoutthe year.
But also for all members, Ihave a 10 card collectors
trading card set that you canget with your membership.
On the trading card set I haveall eight drivers and a couple
of fun cards to go along withthe set, but they're not for
sale and they only go out to theRooster Tail Talk Plus members.
(32:08):
But, like I said, that's all.
I have for this week, so untilnext time.
I hope to see you at the races.
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