August 19, 2025 • 34 mins
The resurrection of Jesus Christ represents the ultimate victory—over sin, life, death, and eternity—establishing the foundation of our faith and transforming how we approach God's promises.
• The gospel in its simplest form: Christ died for our sins and rose again
• God's pattern throughout Scripture: making promises before fulfilling them
• Jesus repeatedly prophesied His resurrection (Matthew 16:21, 17:22-23, 20:17-19)
• The empty tomb confirms Jesus' words, not just provides physical evidence
• The disciples initially struggled to believe despite clear predictions
• Jesus connected His resurrection to all Scripture (Luke 24:27)
• Our faith stands on God's spoken word, not just what we can see
• If Christ hasn't been raised, our faith is futile (1 Corinthians 15:17)
• The resurrection declares Jesus as Son of God with power (Romans 1:4)
• Believing God's word transforms our lives and empowers our witness
Join us for our next episode as we explore the resurrection we will experience when Christ returns.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello friends and welcome to the Rooted and
Grounded podcast.
Good to be with you today, mattwhat up.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Wayne.
Hey man, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good, good, good deal .
Looking forward to kind ofstarting a new direction on the
podcast today, as we begin aseries talking about the
resurrection, the ascension,heaven, essentially the end of
times, or maybe the beginning oftime, um.
So, with that being said, um,let me ask you this question I
know it puts you on the spot Um,a little bit of a sports
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question, so, wayne don't wantto, don't, don't want to exclude
you on this one but um, do youhave a favorite victory?
Do you have a favorite victory?
Yeah, I do what is it so?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
my junior year high school played Father Ryan.
Yes, just got some new contactsand the right one didn't work,
so I just took them out and Iscored 35 points.
It's a good victory.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It sounds like it yeah, 35 points In one game.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
One, or is that for the?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
season.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It was a tournament A weekend tournament For the
weekend tournament.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We played five games, but yeah, so you have seven
points a game.
It's not bad average.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You know there's guys getting millions, not averaging
much more than that, exactly,okay mine was more of uh, when I
was playing golf a little bithad a fella that just kept
wanting to you.
You know always wanting tochallenge.
Let's play.
I want to play you, man.
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I said let's just go out andhave fun.
Okay, enjoy it.
No, I want to play you.
I said okay, whenever you wantto.
I said I can't next week.
I got a meeting, blah, blah,blah.
So I come back in town and wesaid you're going to play this
week?
And he said no, I've beenpracticing and I'm not hitting
it good.
And I said okay, let me know.
And because I never practicedand I said okay.
So he came to me like two weekshey man, I've been practicing,
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I'm ready to play.
I said okay, when you want toplay?
He said a day.
So we go out and we play thefront nine and we both played
really well, really well for us.
I had him down one stroke andhe said oh man, I'm so pumped
about this.
I've never been this close tojust one stroke within after
nine holes and I was just tiredof hearing him.
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You know, I knew he didn't havea head game.
So I said dude, we're just nowgetting coke and a pack of
cookies.
We got nine more holes and I'venever seen you put two nines
together.
I've seen you play a good nine,like you just did, but I've
never seen you follow it up.
So maybe you will.
Well, we come out and he throwsa 49 on me and I showed a 39 on
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him.
There we go.
Only got him by 11.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And let me just say that was our last game.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's a good dove right there.
Boy Retired the boy.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
At an early age.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Mine is not personal.
I used to be a really bigNASCAR fan.
Okay, so you want to hop in thetime machine back to 2007.
The Daytona 500 was going.
It was running late.
I was in the back 40 parkinglot of Mount Juliet listening on
the radio and last lap, fromseventh to first, my favorite
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driver was Kevin Harvick.
He won by just inches, but Iremember just being very excited
about that one.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
How about that?
Yeah, so yeah that was close,wasn't it?
Yes, yes, I remember that race.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.
So we ask this because we aregoing to be talking about
victory really in its purestform, and that is, the different
victories that Christ has, andwe see that it's a victory over
everything, because it's avictory over sin, it's a victory
over life, it's a victory overdeath, it's a victory over
eternity, it is a victory overeverything, and I'm excited for
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us to begin this conversationtoday talking about the
resurrection.
And so, this episode, let's lookat the resurrection of Jesus,
and then, as we build on thatnext episode, we'll transition
and start looking at theresurrection that you and I will
get to experience at the endwhen Christ returns.
And so, if you want to followalong, let's start in 1
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Corinthians, chapter 15, andlet's read the first four verses
.
Now I would remind you,brothers, of the gospel.
I preach to you what youreceived and what you stand in,
by which you are being saved ifyou hold fast to the word I
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preach to you, unless youbelieved in vain, for I
delivered to you, as a firstimportance, what Paul does here,
especially in verses 3 and 4,he preaches the gospel.
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I mean that's it in its shortestand simplest form, that Christ
came, he died and he rose again.
And so, as we think about this,wayne, talk to us kind of how
this is just so consistent withthe rest of Scripture, because
God talks about a lot of thingsbefore they happen and then they
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happen, and so do you want tokind of talk to us how Paul is
setting this up in the messagehe's giving with the
resurrection?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yes, because when you go back and look I mean you
look at the Old Testament andeven what Christ said a number
of times I mean, guys, theresurrection wasn't just
something that was just kind ofhappening accidentally, right.
I mean, it was something thatwasn't a surprise really.
I mean, nobody should have beenshocked by it.
Because when you go back andlook at Scripture, what you find
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, even with Christ himself, itwas something that he kept
telling those disciples and hisfollowers, especially the
apostles.
You know, like, guys, this iswhat's going to happen, this is
going to come down.
It's going to come down likethis, because I promise you this
is going to occur.
And so, really, when you goback and look and I'm not being
surprised because it waspromised, but also it was
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predicted and it was prophesiedbut the amazing thing is is,
after all of that, you know,it's like we serve such a
wonderful God.
You know, matt, and I have saidit, you've said it, matt, in
lessons before we are gratefulthat we have a promise-making
and a promise-keeping God inheaven.
That's right.
And so what we find is thepromises are nothing unless
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they're fulfilled, you know,unless you keep your word.
You make all kinds of promises,but what if you don't have the
ability or the power to makesure that they come to a
fulfillment or to a fruition?
And that's exactly what we see.
That Paul says look, here's whatI'm declaring, and I find it
interesting that he uses theword I deliver to you among the
first importance.
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In other words, let's not missthis.
Why?
Because it's been promised,it's been prophesied, it's been
talked about.
It's not a shock that this ishappening.
God's just keeping his word, ashe always does, right, there's
always.
God is going to keep his wordfor us.
And so when you think aboutthat God's word so many times in
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Scripture fulfills, becausereally it precedes the event.
You know I might be good attelling you something that has
happened, that I was there.
You know kind of what we weretalking about.
You still remember youroccasion.
You remember that that I wasthere.
You know kind of what we weretalking about.
You still remember youroccasion.
You remember that because youwere there.
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Well, what if I had asked youin 2005 about that race?
You'd been as lost as lastyear's Easter egg, right.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And you would have been if we'd asked you the
season before, or even the gamebefore, how many points are you
going to score?
I'll tell you afterwards.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah Right, even in the locker room, when my
contacts was messed up, you knowit's like well, I ain't going
to be able to score none, right.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know, I would have kept them messed up by then
.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I know I was like I don't need glasses, but see,
here's the whole thing, god'sWord precedes the event.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
God said and what it happened?
It happened, yeah, exactly likeyou said.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And you know there's other cases like that that you
see in Scripture, like Noah's.
Ark yeah yeah, you know, Godwarned Noah rain's coming.
He don't even know really whatthat is.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And then rain came.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Right, and you know we shouldn't be shocked at that.
Right, what that is Exactly.
And then rain came Right, andyou know we shouldn't be shocked
at that Right, because God saidit and it happened.
You know, there's otheroccasions you think about what
about Abraham?
Mm-hmm, what'd God say?
He's going to give you a son,right?
And they cry to help God outand that turned into a disaster.
But then he promised his sonand Isaac came.
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I mean, there's just so manyoccasions like that, I mean even
with God's people as a whole.
You know, in the Old Testament,what did God keep telling them
about, prophet after prophetafter prophet Yep, listen to me,
follow my word.
And God says you know, if youdon't, it's going to be what
it's going to be some captivity.
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And it happened Just exactly theway God said, and you know what
the resurrection did.
Exactly the way God said.
That's right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, but I think this brings up an interesting
point and, matt, I want to getyour thoughts on this, because,
as humans, we are so complex andso stupid, foolish ones.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
For the bluntest word possible.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And we can hear something and we can know
something, but a lot of timesuntil we experience it, it just
doesn't click.
And so God may say here's what'sgoing to happen, and you may
hear it and you may understandit, but it doesn't click until
it does.
And it's this way with anything, even beyond the Word of God.
And so, as we think about theresurrection and looking at the
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apostles and kind of the doubtthat they had once it occurred,
how do we work through that?
Or what do we see in Scriptureabout taking what God says and
believing it and living itbefore we learn after the fact,
before we learn after the fact.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, you think about when you're talking about the
cross and the resurrection.
One of the things that we wrotedown was Psalm 1610, which is a
psalm that talks about youwon't let your holy one see
corruption.
And you see another scripture inIsaiah 53.
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We use it a lot, you know, whenpeople are presiding over the
table.
But god and this was a layerthat me and wayne, as we were
making preparation for this itjust it started to, it was a
little thought and then it justbegan to grow inside of me and
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it's continually blowing my mind.
God is always preparing hispeople to believe the impossible
.
And you see that from the verybeginning, to believe that God
created all of this, to believethat there was a flood, to
believe that God, you know, godopened up the Red Sea, to
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believe that, you know, god didall of these things in time and
what he was doing was makingsure that, you know, the people
understood that there was safetyand comfort in him and in his
words.
And it was like, have I notsaid and not done?
Like when have I ever not donewhat I said I was going to do?
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And you follow that story ofthe children of Israel all the
way to even to Jesus.
But God's promises, they alwayswould come, and then the proof
would happen, you know.
And so I think, getting intothis idea of the resurrection,
when Jesus said, um, in Mark 9,31, all arise on the third day.
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The disciples heard that, butthey're like, I mean, what were
they thinking Like?
What are you talking about?
Like, what were they thinking?
Like?
What are you talking about?
Like, what does that mean?
You know, there was thisunderstanding maybe of you know
okay, he's saying something andmaybe I believe it but the
reason why there was doubt wasbecause they didn't have the
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full understanding of it.
What an application.
Man Like here I am sitting herereading this Bible and I'm
reading, you know, the book ofProverbs, like we was talking
about.
Or I'm reading, you know thesebeatitudes that I'm supposed to
be a part of, and it's like,yeah, I mean, I'm going to be a
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peacemaker but, depending on thesituation, will be really
according to how I do.
That, you know, and I makethese justifications and it's
like, no, he said be apeacemaker.
Like you, go make peace, likethat's what I'm asking you to do
, and you know.
Then you just start pulling inall these other ideas where
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Jesus says if you love me, youdo what I say.
If you hear what I say and dowhat I say, you're like a wise
man on a rock, you know, andit's like now I'm collecting all
this evidence and then, when itcomes to the resurrection, he's
going to get on to him.
And we're going to talk aboutthat.
But you know, the disciplesshould have believed him and it
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wasn't because they understoodthe how, but they should have
understood who was speaking.
I mean that to me is that's thedifference, mike?
It hits me in my heart man,exactly right.
That hits me in my heart.
I mean, I'm just saying thistruthfully.
That hits me in my heartbecause I'm like, why do I doubt
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it?
Why, when he's setting it upfor me to be able to be
confident in it, and yet I findmyself doing the very same thing
as these guys and I'm likemaybe it'll work out.
And Jesus said I will, I will.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean, it's not like , hey guys I'm thinking about or
we're considering Me and myFather in heaven are considering
, you know he may bring me oneday out of the grave.
No, I will.
Yeah, three days, I'm out,exactly right.
And you know, and that's thething about God he always, you
know, he always has promises.
Come before the proof, he toldhim it was going to happen.
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And then what?
Which, to me, establishes ourfaith according to Hebrews 11.
It just gives us a solid, firmfoundation to which we can plan
upon.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So, wayne, I know you're already open to Luke 24.
Do you want to read verses 6through 8 and talk us through
that?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, Roger says he is not here, but he has risen.
Remember how he spoke to youwhile he was still in Galilee.
In other words, this is not thefirst time you guys have heard
this Saying that the Son of manmust be delivered into the hands
of sinful men and he'll becrucified and the third day
guess what he will rise again.
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He says and they remembered hiswords.
And so when you think aboutthat, you know it's amazing to
me when you look at those words.
I've always looked at it andsaid you know, the evidence of
the resurrection was what?
That tomb, the empty tomb.
Right, that's right.
And the angel said he's nothere.
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But here's something that'sunique about that passage, guys.
To me it's just so powerful.
You know, matthew said a whileago it kind of hits you in the
heart.
This passage hits you rightthere because it says remember
how he spoke to you that thiswas going to happen.
I mean, guys, you stop andthink about that.
That's pretty powerful, really,because he didn't say okay,
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he's not here, so you shouldknow.
No, he gives some confidencebecause of what God had said, in
other words, the words of Jesus, god in the flesh, that you had
those words and the fact thatyou don't have to see that he's
gone, you don't have to say, oh,the tomb is empty.
No, you should have known itwas going to happen.
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Why?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
He already said it.
He told you.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I mean think about what Jesus does in his
temptation.
I mean, what's the very firstthing that he does?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's written.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's the same thing.
I mean, he says he is not here,but he is risen, verse 6.
And the very first thing.
It's just what you said.
The first thing he doesn'tappeal to them or he doesn't try
to get them pulled in becausethe tomb's empty.
Of course they see that, but hedoesn't dwell on that.
Very first.
The very first thing that hesays is didn't y'all listen to
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what he said?
That's correct, like he toldy'all.
Listen to what he said.
He told y'all, he specificallytold you that this was going to
happen.
And here you guys are and you'relike what's happening, what's
going on?
I mean that application for ourlives is God tells me to not do
this or this is going to happen.
And then I do it.
And then I'm like well, howcome this happened to me?
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Well, didn't you, don't youremember what the word said to
you?
Like, don't you remember?
Like I'm I'm really just umamazed at this, this angle of
thought on the resurrection, um,because a lot of times I preach
from that empty tomb conceptand no doubt the tomb's empty.
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I'm with that and I preach thatand I think it's true and I
think that's what we need to do.
But I think the strength ofthat is what this angel says
Don't you remember what he said?
Don't you remember that he saidthe Son of man will be
delivered into the hands ofsinful men.
That happened Be crucified.
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They know that.
And on the third day, riseagain, and I think it's just
powerful, verse 8.
Oh, then they remembered.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Light went off, but this is the women, the women
remembered.
Because if you go down yes, forsure, and you look at verse 11,
they went and they told theapostles, but these words seemed
to the apostles an idle tale.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
They still didn't want it and they did not believe
.
They still didn't want it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And so they required going and seeing the tomb.
They were the ones that had toput their hands in the holes,
they were the ones that had tohave that interaction with the
risen Lord, and I think it's atestament to the faith of the
women who were present at thetomb.
But also I think it is a verygood lesson for all of us of.
You've got to believe the Word,and if not, the resurrection
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becomes an idle tale.
And if it is just an idle taleit's no different than jacking
the beanstalk.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's worthless, that's right.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But when we believe it and we remember, then the
resurrection becomes our sourceof life.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, it becomes a reality that you know, starts,
it springs truly, like Jesussaid, it springs to life, the
idea of you know, living for himand that he has done something
for us.
And I know we're going toelaborate on that a little bit
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more.
But when, when you don'tremember what Jesus said, it
could be that you possiblyaren't filling yourself with
those words and maybe you'redoing the thing that we all
struggle with.
I mean, I would struggle withthat too, letting it go in one
ear and out the other.
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I have my Bible reading and Iread it.
Am I trying to keep it inside oris it just coming right through
, just like you were saying withthe apostles?
It's like I mean, I got to seeit before I believe it, man, but
I appreciate the idea and thethought of bringing up this.
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You know the women.
They remembered the words andthere was confidence in that.
Jesus knew the words when hewas tempted and it gave him
confidence.
Like we didn't do this.
But we could probably build awhole lesson on the idea of
people remembering those wordsand proclaiming those words and
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that confidence coming out ofthat person.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Well, and I think this is a fun conversation to
have, because what were theapostles' mindset like during
the time Jesus was in the tomb?
Is it defeated, is it a?
This was a good three years andI'm going to go back fishing
and I'm going to go back andbeing a zealot and all these
things, or is it what's next?
I mean, you just don't knowwhat frame of mind they're in,
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but you know enough to know thatit's not exactly where they
need to be and that builds, andyou see that culminating in Acts
, once they get the Holy Spirit,and then they're ready and they
go and they spread the gospelaround the world.
So let's kind of shift gearsand go from Luke to Matthew,
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because Jesus, as we've beensaying, the word comes before
the action and so several timeshe talks about the reality of
his resurrection.
So in Matthew 16, verse 21, itsays From that time Jesus began
to show his disciples that hemust go to Jerusalem and suffer
many things from the elders andchief priests and scribes and be
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killed and on the third day beraised.
Then, if you want to skip overto chapter 17 and look at verse
22 and verse 23, as they weregathering in Galilee, jesus said
to them the son of man is aboutto be delivered into the hands
of men and they will kill himand he will be raised on the
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third day.
And they were greatly distressed.
And then one more in Matthew 20, beginning in verse 17.
And as Jesus was going up toJerusalem, he took the 12
disciples aside and on the wayhe said to them see, we are
going up to Jerusalem and theson of man will be delivered
over to the chief priest andscribes and they will condemn
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him to death and deliver himover to the Gentiles to be
mocked and flogged and crucifiedand he will be raised on the
third day.
And so, guys, take these threepassages and these prophecies of
Jesus and what they mean in thecontext of his resurrection,
and then what possibleapplication or teaching can we
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take from that for us as we workto either begin our belief in
the resurrection or to deepenour belief in the resurrection?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay, you know, in Matthew 16, in all three of
those passages it was like thefirst time and then just to
reaffirm it with them, you know,maybe to deepen that trust or
to deepen that faith and thatbelief, he tells them the second
and the third time.
And you know, I got to turnback and think about their
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reaction.
In Luke 24, verse 25 through 27.
There, because I can put myselfin this position, because, you
know, like all of us, we readthe scripture and Matt talked
about it a while ago I have mydaily Bible reader, I have my
daily verse that's coming blah,blah, blah.
But verse 25, luke 24, he saysand he said to them oh, foolish
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men, and look at this phrase,slow of heart, how many times I
got to keep telling you guys,how many times I got to keep
telling you guys, how many timesI got to reaffirm this with you
, you're slow of heart tobelieve in all that the prophets
have spoken.
And then he says to and was itnecessary?
Not necessary for the Christ tosuffer these things and to
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enter into his glory?
But here's one of the keythings, guys, beginning with
Moses, verse 27, you know, godsaid, beginning with moses and
with all the prophets.
He explained to them the thingsconcerning himself in all the
scriptures.
Wouldn't you like to have thaton video?
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Oh man, I need that lesson.
Oh man, yeah, to hear christ,what he taught them all the way
back from Moses and the prophets.
And then, so it's no doubt whenhe comes, these three times in
Matthew, chapter 16, 17, and 20,the impact that he says here in
Luke 24 concerning himself.
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But he just didn't say inScripture, in all the Scriptures
you know, go ahead.
We've all said the OldTestament is talking about the
coming messiah, yeah, and nowhe's here.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, we talked about the hook.
The thing that, you know,people in this world struggle
with, maybe that idea ofbelieving in the resurrection,
and I think for the believer,for the christian, for the child
of god, this right here is thething that gives that motivation
, because I put this right hereresurrection is believed, not
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because someone saw it, butbecause God said it, and his
word never fails.
When he expounded that, when hedropped that on them and they
heard that, it was probablysomething that blew their mind
and it created a confidence andwe'll talk about in the next
episode that transformed theirlife and so it was worth you
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know everything to them, becausenow, all of a sudden, they
connected those dots.
And so if I'm talking tosomebody who is not a Christian,
the way that I believe it, theway that I talk about it, is
going to be huge in the evidenceof that resurrection, because
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you are not going to talk aboutsomething that you truly believe
in without a great passion anda great desire.
But I think that it all stemsfrom right here, in this moment,
when Jesus tells them and waneson it, slow of heart, to
believe all that was promisedAll the things that the prophet
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said, all the things that Mosessaid.
They were all well equipped onthose understandings.
They'd been in synagogue,they'd been in all the things
for all their life, passover,and all the stuff they heard,
that knew it, was taught it.
And now, all of a sudden, jesusjust I mean, just like a kid's
menu at the restaurant heconnected all the dots and then
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brought them back to here.
I am alive, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And you know, just on about connecting those dots.
I just can't help but thinkabout john too.
Oh, you're talking about a dotfor them to connect.
Because in reality, whathappened?
You know?
You remember there that jewscame to christ and he said
destroy this temple and I'llraise it up in three days.
And they thought what?
It took us years to build thisbig old temple.
Man, they go away, whoa, youmisunderstood.
And he said the jews, it tookus years to build this big old
temple, man, they go whoa, whoa,whoa.
You misunderstood.
And he said the Jews said ittook 46 years and you're going
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to do it in three days.
But then in verse 21,.
But Jesus was speaking of thetemple of his body.
And then look at the impact ofverse 22, guys.
So when he was raised from thedead, the light bulbs went off,
the horn started blowing.
Notice, his disciplesremembered that he had said this
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and they believed the Scriptureand the words which Jesus had
spoken.
The same challenge for us.
Yep, you want that hook, mm-hmm.
Just simply believe the wordwhich Jesus had spoken.
That's right.
And it hit them afterwards.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's a transformative power, the word of God, exactly
right, and we get to see itplayed out through scripture,
but also we see that played outin life today, and when you
follow it and you allow it totake root and to grow and to
produce it changes you, itchanges those around you, it
changes everything and toproduce.
it changes you and it changesthose around you.
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It changes everything and youthink about just like a month
and a half later for theapostles, when Christ went into
heaven and they received theHoly Spirit.
Once you get that too.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean they hit the ground running.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And they start the church.
And it's Jerusalem, judea,samaria, the ends of the earth
in like 15 chapters Jerusalem,judea, samaria, the ends of the
earth in 15 chapters.
And so then we bring Paul intoit and it's just a tremendous
example of what the Word of Godcan do.
And when we have theresurrection piece, and we
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believe in that resurrectionpiece, then we too have that
same goal, we have that samefocus, we have that same power
living in us, have that samegoal, we have that same focus,
we have that same power livingin us.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, I, you know, um , I want to read this our faith
in the resurrection stands, notbecause we were there, but
eternal but there.
But the eternal God has spoken.
Um, I think, application for meeven now, going forward and you
know I spend a lot of timetalking to people about Jesus
and who he is and what he's donein my life, and I think that
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just this is an added weapon forme.
I know this and I talk about itand I use the scriptures, but
just that confirmation and thatconfidence to speak, I mean
knowing that his word is morereliable than sight, and truly
go with what Paul says is thatwe walk by faith, not by sight,
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because I believe in the one whomakes things, or says things
are going to happen, and thenthey happen.
Circling back to what Wayne said, there's no way that I can tell
anybody what's going to happenin five minutes or in 10 or 15.
But this guy spoke aboutthousands of years and he talked
(30:07):
about things that would happenin the immediate.
He can just tell you what'sgoing to happen and when that
becomes the person you follow,we all can sit right here at the
table and everybody who'slistening can say that we've
seen God work in our lives.
And it all is based off of andtruly comes from this idea of
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the good news that Paul said Ideclare to you, which you heard
me preach, which you believe,what you stand in and what saves
you.
So the question then becomesare you truly believing it or
are you believing in vain?
Because if you're believing invain, then no wonder you're not
able to move or speak or talkabout it.
(30:53):
I think that that's somethingthat, from know from genesis one
to the book of in therevelation, I mean god has set
something in motion that cancontrol us, and control us in a
way that allows us to be betterthan we ever thought we could be
, if we allow it if we believeit and the reason you know life
(31:16):
lesson and the reason that wetake God as his word is I mean 1
Peter 1,.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The word of the Lord.
All flesh is grace like that.
We know that it's going to passaway Verse 25, but the word of
the Lord endures forever, yep,and it's living and active and
sharper than a two-edged sword.
And the apostles got thatliving and active and sharper
than in two-edged sword.
And the apostles got that.
Even though they'd been toldand instructed, they finally got
that moment where it happened.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well, and I think that this is a good, maybe
stopping point for this episodeas we work on bringing the
resurrection of Christ to aclose and get ready to look at
resurrection with the apostlesand with us in the next episode.
So, guys, make it real.
And, matt, I know you'vealready touched on this a little
bit, but what are the takeawaysfor this episode?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Big application for me personally, I'll just admit
it.
You know, I think that a lot oftimes I believe this book and I
love this book and I follow thisbook.
But I think that you know, justin studying this, when I think
about Isaiah 53 and I've donestudies with people on Psalm 22,
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you know, and talking aboutthis idea of who Jesus was and
you know what he came to do,it's all in the scripture and I
need to even more so recognizethe power of the word of God and
I love it and I proclaim it.
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But it just gives me anotherlevel of motivation.
It's that Hebrews, chapter four.
You know that two edged sword.
It's that hebrews, chapter 4,you know that two-edged sword,
like not just saying those wordsbut truly believe in those
words.
And I think that when peoplesee that in you it's a game,
it's like I may need to get inon what you're doing, like what
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are you talking about?
You know, and I think this kindof builds into to the next
episode, because we see someguys that are about it.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
You know, because of that word, the word that they
finally remembered, yeah, soyeah, and I think, just to kind
of piggyback on what you said,the reason that we dig deeper
and have that conviction, evenon the individual lives, is
Romans 1, 4.
Jesus declared to be the son ofGod with power.
How by the resurrection.
That's right.
1.4.
Jesus declared to be the Son ofGod with power.
How by the resurrection.
That's right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And the verse that's really stood out to me getting
ready for this is 1 Corinthians15.17.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It kind of goes with what you just shared.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
If Christ has not been raised from the dead, your
faith is futile and you arestill in your sins.
Amen, yep, that's right.
There is nothing more importantthan the resurrection, because
if it didn't happen, what are wedoing here?
But it did, and we are and webelieve and that is the
motivation for it, and it can'tbe preached too many times, it
can't be remembered too manytimes or thought about or talked
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about too many times, becausethis is it, this is what it is
all built on.
All right guys, greatdiscussion.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We'll.
This is it.
This is what it is all built on.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So, all right guys, great discussion We'll do it
again in a couple of weeks andcontinue looking at the
resurrection.
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Hello friends and welcome to the Rooted and
Grounded podcast.
Good to be with you today, mattwhat up.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Wayne.
Hey man, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good, good, good deal .
Looking forward to kind ofstarting a new direction on the
podcast today, as we begin aseries talking about the
resurrection, the ascension,heaven, essentially the end of
times, or maybe the beginning oftime, um.
So, with that being said, um,let me ask you this question I
know it puts you on the spot Um,a little bit of a sports
(00:35):
question, so, wayne don't wantto, don't, don't want to exclude
you on this one but um, do youhave a favorite victory?
Do you have a favorite victory?
Yeah, I do what is it so?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
my junior year high school played Father Ryan.
Yes, just got some new contactsand the right one didn't work,
so I just took them out and Iscored 35 points.
It's a good victory.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It sounds like it yeah, 35 points In one game.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
One, or is that for the?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
season.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It was a tournament A weekend tournament For the
weekend tournament.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We played five games, but yeah, so you have seven
points a game.
It's not bad average.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You know there's guys getting millions, not averaging
much more than that, exactly,okay mine was more of uh, when I
was playing golf a little bithad a fella that just kept
wanting to you.
You know always wanting tochallenge.
Let's play.
I want to play you, man.
(01:50):
I said let's just go out andhave fun.
Okay, enjoy it.
No, I want to play you.
I said okay, whenever you wantto.
I said I can't next week.
I got a meeting, blah, blah,blah.
So I come back in town and wesaid you're going to play this
week?
And he said no, I've beenpracticing and I'm not hitting
it good.
And I said okay, let me know.
And because I never practicedand I said okay.
So he came to me like two weekshey man, I've been practicing,
(02:11):
I'm ready to play.
I said okay, when you want toplay?
He said a day.
So we go out and we play thefront nine and we both played
really well, really well for us.
I had him down one stroke andhe said oh man, I'm so pumped
about this.
I've never been this close tojust one stroke within after
nine holes and I was just tiredof hearing him.
(02:32):
You know, I knew he didn't havea head game.
So I said dude, we're just nowgetting coke and a pack of
cookies.
We got nine more holes and I'venever seen you put two nines
together.
I've seen you play a good nine,like you just did, but I've
never seen you follow it up.
So maybe you will.
Well, we come out and he throwsa 49 on me and I showed a 39 on
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him.
There we go.
Only got him by 11.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And let me just say that was our last game.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's a good dove right there.
Boy Retired the boy.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
At an early age.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Mine is not personal.
I used to be a really bigNASCAR fan.
Okay, so you want to hop in thetime machine back to 2007.
The Daytona 500 was going.
It was running late.
I was in the back 40 parkinglot of Mount Juliet listening on
the radio and last lap, fromseventh to first, my favorite
(03:40):
driver was Kevin Harvick.
He won by just inches, but Iremember just being very excited
about that one.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
How about that?
Yeah, so yeah that was close,wasn't it?
Yes, yes, I remember that race.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.
So we ask this because we aregoing to be talking about
victory really in its purestform, and that is, the different
victories that Christ has, andwe see that it's a victory over
everything, because it's avictory over sin, it's a victory
over life, it's a victory overdeath, it's a victory over
eternity, it is a victory overeverything, and I'm excited for
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us to begin this conversationtoday talking about the
resurrection.
And so, this episode, let's lookat the resurrection of Jesus,
and then, as we build on thatnext episode, we'll transition
and start looking at theresurrection that you and I will
get to experience at the endwhen Christ returns.
And so, if you want to followalong, let's start in 1
(04:38):
Corinthians, chapter 15, andlet's read the first four verses
.
Now I would remind you,brothers, of the gospel.
I preach to you what youreceived and what you stand in,
by which you are being saved ifyou hold fast to the word I
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preach to you, unless youbelieved in vain, for I
delivered to you, as a firstimportance, what Paul does here,
especially in verses 3 and 4,he preaches the gospel.
(05:21):
I mean that's it in its shortestand simplest form, that Christ
came, he died and he rose again.
And so, as we think about this,wayne, talk to us kind of how
this is just so consistent withthe rest of Scripture, because
God talks about a lot of thingsbefore they happen and then they
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happen, and so do you want tokind of talk to us how Paul is
setting this up in the messagehe's giving with the
resurrection?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yes, because when you go back and look I mean you
look at the Old Testament andeven what Christ said a number
of times I mean, guys, theresurrection wasn't just
something that was just kind ofhappening accidentally, right.
I mean, it was something thatwasn't a surprise really.
I mean, nobody should have beenshocked by it.
Because when you go back andlook at Scripture, what you find
(06:08):
, even with Christ himself, itwas something that he kept
telling those disciples and hisfollowers, especially the
apostles.
You know, like, guys, this iswhat's going to happen, this is
going to come down.
It's going to come down likethis, because I promise you this
is going to occur.
And so, really, when you goback and look and I'm not being
surprised because it waspromised, but also it was
(06:29):
predicted and it was prophesiedbut the amazing thing is is,
after all of that, you know,it's like we serve such a
wonderful God.
You know, matt, and I have saidit, you've said it, matt, in
lessons before we are gratefulthat we have a promise-making
and a promise-keeping God inheaven.
That's right.
And so what we find is thepromises are nothing unless
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they're fulfilled, you know,unless you keep your word.
You make all kinds of promises,but what if you don't have the
ability or the power to makesure that they come to a
fulfillment or to a fruition?
And that's exactly what we see.
That Paul says look, here's whatI'm declaring, and I find it
interesting that he uses theword I deliver to you among the
first importance.
(07:10):
In other words, let's not missthis.
Why?
Because it's been promised,it's been prophesied, it's been
talked about.
It's not a shock that this ishappening.
God's just keeping his word, ashe always does, right, there's
always.
God is going to keep his wordfor us.
And so when you think aboutthat God's word so many times in
(07:31):
Scripture fulfills, becausereally it precedes the event.
You know I might be good attelling you something that has
happened, that I was there.
You know kind of what we weretalking about.
You still remember youroccasion.
You remember that that I wasthere.
You know kind of what we weretalking about.
You still remember youroccasion.
You remember that because youwere there.
(07:51):
Well, what if I had asked youin 2005 about that race?
You'd been as lost as lastyear's Easter egg, right.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And you would have been if we'd asked you the
season before, or even the gamebefore, how many points are you
going to score?
I'll tell you afterwards.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah Right, even in the locker room, when my
contacts was messed up, you knowit's like well, I ain't going
to be able to score none, right.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know, I would have kept them messed up by then
.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I know I was like I don't need glasses, but see,
here's the whole thing, god'sWord precedes the event.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
God said and what it happened?
It happened, yeah, exactly likeyou said.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And you know there's other cases like that that you
see in Scripture, like Noah's.
Ark yeah yeah, you know, Godwarned Noah rain's coming.
He don't even know really whatthat is.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And then rain came.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Right, and you know we shouldn't be shocked at that.
Right, what that is Exactly.
And then rain came Right, andyou know we shouldn't be shocked
at that Right, because God saidit and it happened.
You know, there's otheroccasions you think about what
about Abraham?
Mm-hmm, what'd God say?
He's going to give you a son,right?
And they cry to help God outand that turned into a disaster.
But then he promised his sonand Isaac came.
(09:06):
I mean, there's just so manyoccasions like that, I mean even
with God's people as a whole.
You know, in the Old Testament,what did God keep telling them
about, prophet after prophetafter prophet Yep, listen to me,
follow my word.
And God says you know, if youdon't, it's going to be what
it's going to be some captivity.
(09:28):
And it happened Just exactly theway God said, and you know what
the resurrection did.
Exactly the way God said.
That's right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, but I think this brings up an interesting
point and, matt, I want to getyour thoughts on this, because,
as humans, we are so complex andso stupid, foolish ones.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
For the bluntest word possible.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And we can hear something and we can know
something, but a lot of timesuntil we experience it, it just
doesn't click.
And so God may say here's what'sgoing to happen, and you may
hear it and you may understandit, but it doesn't click until
it does.
And it's this way with anything, even beyond the Word of God.
And so, as we think about theresurrection and looking at the
(10:13):
apostles and kind of the doubtthat they had once it occurred,
how do we work through that?
Or what do we see in Scriptureabout taking what God says and
believing it and living itbefore we learn after the fact,
before we learn after the fact.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, you think about when you're talking about the
cross and the resurrection.
One of the things that we wrotedown was Psalm 1610, which is a
psalm that talks about youwon't let your holy one see
corruption.
And you see another scripture inIsaiah 53.
(10:48):
We use it a lot, you know, whenpeople are presiding over the
table.
But god and this was a layerthat me and wayne, as we were
making preparation for this itjust it started to, it was a
little thought and then it justbegan to grow inside of me and
(11:09):
it's continually blowing my mind.
God is always preparing hispeople to believe the impossible
.
And you see that from the verybeginning, to believe that God
created all of this, to believethat there was a flood, to
believe that God, you know, godopened up the Red Sea, to
(11:29):
believe that, you know, god didall of these things in time and
what he was doing was makingsure that, you know, the people
understood that there was safetyand comfort in him and in his
words.
And it was like, have I notsaid and not done?
Like when have I ever not donewhat I said I was going to do?
(11:52):
And you follow that story ofthe children of Israel all the
way to even to Jesus.
But God's promises, they alwayswould come, and then the proof
would happen, you know.
And so I think, getting intothis idea of the resurrection,
when Jesus said, um, in Mark 9,31, all arise on the third day.
(12:19):
The disciples heard that, butthey're like, I mean, what were
they thinking Like?
What are you talking about?
Like, what were they thinking?
Like?
What are you talking about?
Like, what does that mean?
You know, there was thisunderstanding maybe of you know
okay, he's saying something andmaybe I believe it but the
reason why there was doubt wasbecause they didn't have the
(12:42):
full understanding of it.
What an application.
Man Like here I am sitting herereading this Bible and I'm
reading, you know, the book ofProverbs, like we was talking
about.
Or I'm reading, you know thesebeatitudes that I'm supposed to
be a part of, and it's like,yeah, I mean, I'm going to be a
(13:04):
peacemaker but, depending on thesituation, will be really
according to how I do.
That, you know, and I makethese justifications and it's
like, no, he said be apeacemaker.
Like you, go make peace, likethat's what I'm asking you to do
, and you know.
Then you just start pulling inall these other ideas where
(13:24):
Jesus says if you love me, youdo what I say.
If you hear what I say and dowhat I say, you're like a wise
man on a rock, you know, andit's like now I'm collecting all
this evidence and then, when itcomes to the resurrection, he's
going to get on to him.
And we're going to talk aboutthat.
But you know, the disciplesshould have believed him and it
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wasn't because they understoodthe how, but they should have
understood who was speaking.
I mean that to me is that's thedifference, mike?
It hits me in my heart man,exactly right.
That hits me in my heart.
I mean, I'm just saying thistruthfully.
That hits me in my heartbecause I'm like, why do I doubt
(14:08):
it?
Why, when he's setting it upfor me to be able to be
confident in it, and yet I findmyself doing the very same thing
as these guys and I'm likemaybe it'll work out.
And Jesus said I will, I will.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean, it's not like , hey guys I'm thinking about or
we're considering Me and myFather in heaven are considering
, you know he may bring me oneday out of the grave.
No, I will.
Yeah, three days, I'm out,exactly right.
And you know, and that's thething about God he always, you
know, he always has promises.
Come before the proof, he toldhim it was going to happen.
(14:46):
And then what?
Which, to me, establishes ourfaith according to Hebrews 11.
It just gives us a solid, firmfoundation to which we can plan
upon.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So, wayne, I know you're already open to Luke 24.
Do you want to read verses 6through 8 and talk us through
that?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, Roger says he is not here, but he has risen.
Remember how he spoke to youwhile he was still in Galilee.
In other words, this is not thefirst time you guys have heard
this Saying that the Son of manmust be delivered into the hands
of sinful men and he'll becrucified and the third day
guess what he will rise again.
(15:24):
He says and they remembered hiswords.
And so when you think aboutthat, you know it's amazing to
me when you look at those words.
I've always looked at it andsaid you know, the evidence of
the resurrection was what?
That tomb, the empty tomb.
Right, that's right.
And the angel said he's nothere.
(15:46):
But here's something that'sunique about that passage, guys.
To me it's just so powerful.
You know, matthew said a whileago it kind of hits you in the
heart.
This passage hits you rightthere because it says remember
how he spoke to you that thiswas going to happen.
I mean, guys, you stop andthink about that.
That's pretty powerful, really,because he didn't say okay,
(16:10):
he's not here, so you shouldknow.
No, he gives some confidencebecause of what God had said, in
other words, the words of Jesus, god in the flesh, that you had
those words and the fact thatyou don't have to see that he's
gone, you don't have to say, oh,the tomb is empty.
No, you should have known itwas going to happen.
(16:32):
Why?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
He already said it.
He told you.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I mean think about what Jesus does in his
temptation.
I mean, what's the very firstthing that he does?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's written.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's the same thing.
I mean, he says he is not here,but he is risen, verse 6.
And the very first thing.
It's just what you said.
The first thing he doesn'tappeal to them or he doesn't try
to get them pulled in becausethe tomb's empty.
Of course they see that, but hedoesn't dwell on that.
Very first.
The very first thing that hesays is didn't y'all listen to
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what he said?
That's correct, like he toldy'all.
Listen to what he said.
He told y'all, he specificallytold you that this was going to
happen.
And here you guys are and you'relike what's happening, what's
going on?
I mean that application for ourlives is God tells me to not do
this or this is going to happen.
And then I do it.
And then I'm like well, howcome this happened to me?
(17:29):
Well, didn't you, don't youremember what the word said to
you?
Like, don't you remember?
Like I'm I'm really just umamazed at this, this angle of
thought on the resurrection, um,because a lot of times I preach
from that empty tomb conceptand no doubt the tomb's empty.
(17:51):
I'm with that and I preach thatand I think it's true and I
think that's what we need to do.
But I think the strength ofthat is what this angel says
Don't you remember what he said?
Don't you remember that he saidthe Son of man will be
delivered into the hands ofsinful men.
That happened Be crucified.
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They know that.
And on the third day, riseagain, and I think it's just
powerful, verse 8.
Oh, then they remembered.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Light went off, but this is the women, the women
remembered.
Because if you go down yes, forsure, and you look at verse 11,
they went and they told theapostles, but these words seemed
to the apostles an idle tale.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
They still didn't want it and they did not believe
.
They still didn't want it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And so they required going and seeing the tomb.
They were the ones that had toput their hands in the holes,
they were the ones that had tohave that interaction with the
risen Lord, and I think it's atestament to the faith of the
women who were present at thetomb.
But also I think it is a verygood lesson for all of us of.
You've got to believe the Word,and if not, the resurrection
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becomes an idle tale.
And if it is just an idle taleit's no different than jacking
the beanstalk.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's worthless, that's right.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But when we believe it and we remember, then the
resurrection becomes our sourceof life.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, it becomes a reality that you know, starts,
it springs truly, like Jesussaid, it springs to life, the
idea of you know, living for himand that he has done something
for us.
And I know we're going toelaborate on that a little bit
(19:41):
more.
But when, when you don'tremember what Jesus said, it
could be that you possiblyaren't filling yourself with
those words and maybe you'redoing the thing that we all
struggle with.
I mean, I would struggle withthat too, letting it go in one
ear and out the other.
(20:02):
I have my Bible reading and Iread it.
Am I trying to keep it inside oris it just coming right through
, just like you were saying withthe apostles?
It's like I mean, I got to seeit before I believe it, man, but
I appreciate the idea and thethought of bringing up this.
(20:22):
You know the women.
They remembered the words andthere was confidence in that.
Jesus knew the words when hewas tempted and it gave him
confidence.
Like we didn't do this.
But we could probably build awhole lesson on the idea of
people remembering those wordsand proclaiming those words and
(20:43):
that confidence coming out ofthat person.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Well, and I think this is a fun conversation to
have, because what were theapostles' mindset like during
the time Jesus was in the tomb?
Is it defeated, is it a?
This was a good three years andI'm going to go back fishing
and I'm going to go back andbeing a zealot and all these
things, or is it what's next?
I mean, you just don't knowwhat frame of mind they're in,
(21:10):
but you know enough to know thatit's not exactly where they
need to be and that builds, andyou see that culminating in Acts
, once they get the Holy Spirit,and then they're ready and they
go and they spread the gospelaround the world.
So let's kind of shift gearsand go from Luke to Matthew,
(21:32):
because Jesus, as we've beensaying, the word comes before
the action and so several timeshe talks about the reality of
his resurrection.
So in Matthew 16, verse 21, itsays From that time Jesus began
to show his disciples that hemust go to Jerusalem and suffer
many things from the elders andchief priests and scribes and be
(21:54):
killed and on the third day beraised.
Then, if you want to skip overto chapter 17 and look at verse
22 and verse 23, as they weregathering in Galilee, jesus said
to them the son of man is aboutto be delivered into the hands
of men and they will kill himand he will be raised on the
(22:14):
third day.
And they were greatly distressed.
And then one more in Matthew 20, beginning in verse 17.
And as Jesus was going up toJerusalem, he took the 12
disciples aside and on the wayhe said to them see, we are
going up to Jerusalem and theson of man will be delivered
over to the chief priest andscribes and they will condemn
(22:34):
him to death and deliver himover to the Gentiles to be
mocked and flogged and crucifiedand he will be raised on the
third day.
And so, guys, take these threepassages and these prophecies of
Jesus and what they mean in thecontext of his resurrection,
and then what possibleapplication or teaching can we
(22:57):
take from that for us as we workto either begin our belief in
the resurrection or to deepenour belief in the resurrection?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay, you know, in Matthew 16, in all three of
those passages it was like thefirst time and then just to
reaffirm it with them, you know,maybe to deepen that trust or
to deepen that faith and thatbelief, he tells them the second
and the third time.
And you know, I got to turnback and think about their
(23:26):
reaction.
In Luke 24, verse 25 through 27.
There, because I can put myselfin this position, because, you
know, like all of us, we readthe scripture and Matt talked
about it a while ago I have mydaily Bible reader, I have my
daily verse that's coming blah,blah, blah.
But verse 25, luke 24, he saysand he said to them oh, foolish
(23:49):
men, and look at this phrase,slow of heart, how many times I
got to keep telling you guys,how many times I got to keep
telling you guys, how many timesI got to reaffirm this with you
, you're slow of heart tobelieve in all that the prophets
have spoken.
And then he says to and was itnecessary?
Not necessary for the Christ tosuffer these things and to
(24:10):
enter into his glory?
But here's one of the keythings, guys, beginning with
Moses, verse 27, you know, godsaid, beginning with moses and
with all the prophets.
He explained to them the thingsconcerning himself in all the
scriptures.
Wouldn't you like to have thaton video?
(24:30):
Oh man, I need that lesson.
Oh man, yeah, to hear christ,what he taught them all the way
back from Moses and the prophets.
And then, so it's no doubt whenhe comes, these three times in
Matthew, chapter 16, 17, and 20,the impact that he says here in
Luke 24 concerning himself.
(24:53):
But he just didn't say inScripture, in all the Scriptures
you know, go ahead.
We've all said the OldTestament is talking about the
coming messiah, yeah, and nowhe's here.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, we talked about the hook.
The thing that, you know,people in this world struggle
with, maybe that idea ofbelieving in the resurrection,
and I think for the believer,for the christian, for the child
of god, this right here is thething that gives that motivation
, because I put this right hereresurrection is believed, not
(25:23):
because someone saw it, butbecause God said it, and his
word never fails.
When he expounded that, when hedropped that on them and they
heard that, it was probablysomething that blew their mind
and it created a confidence andwe'll talk about in the next
episode that transformed theirlife and so it was worth you
(25:47):
know everything to them, becausenow, all of a sudden, they
connected those dots.
And so if I'm talking tosomebody who is not a Christian,
the way that I believe it, theway that I talk about it, is
going to be huge in the evidenceof that resurrection, because
(26:07):
you are not going to talk aboutsomething that you truly believe
in without a great passion anda great desire.
But I think that it all stemsfrom right here, in this moment,
when Jesus tells them and waneson it, slow of heart, to
believe all that was promisedAll the things that the prophet
(26:33):
said, all the things that Mosessaid.
They were all well equipped onthose understandings.
They'd been in synagogue,they'd been in all the things
for all their life, passover,and all the stuff they heard,
that knew it, was taught it.
And now, all of a sudden, jesusjust I mean, just like a kid's
menu at the restaurant heconnected all the dots and then
(26:54):
brought them back to here.
I am alive, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And you know, just on about connecting those dots.
I just can't help but thinkabout john too.
Oh, you're talking about a dotfor them to connect.
Because in reality, whathappened?
You know?
You remember there that jewscame to christ and he said
destroy this temple and I'llraise it up in three days.
And they thought what?
It took us years to build thisbig old temple.
Man, they go away, whoa, youmisunderstood.
And he said the jews, it tookus years to build this big old
temple, man, they go whoa, whoa,whoa.
You misunderstood.
And he said the Jews said ittook 46 years and you're going
(27:22):
to do it in three days.
But then in verse 21,.
But Jesus was speaking of thetemple of his body.
And then look at the impact ofverse 22, guys.
So when he was raised from thedead, the light bulbs went off,
the horn started blowing.
Notice, his disciplesremembered that he had said this
(27:42):
and they believed the Scriptureand the words which Jesus had
spoken.
The same challenge for us.
Yep, you want that hook, mm-hmm.
Just simply believe the wordwhich Jesus had spoken.
That's right.
And it hit them afterwards.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's a transformative power, the word of God, exactly
right, and we get to see itplayed out through scripture,
but also we see that played outin life today, and when you
follow it and you allow it totake root and to grow and to
produce it changes you, itchanges those around you, it
changes everything and toproduce.
it changes you and it changesthose around you.
(28:20):
It changes everything and youthink about just like a month
and a half later for theapostles, when Christ went into
heaven and they received theHoly Spirit.
Once you get that too.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean they hit the ground running.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And they start the church.
And it's Jerusalem, judea,samaria, the ends of the earth
in like 15 chapters Jerusalem,judea, samaria, the ends of the
earth in 15 chapters.
And so then we bring Paul intoit and it's just a tremendous
example of what the Word of Godcan do.
And when we have theresurrection piece, and we
(28:50):
believe in that resurrectionpiece, then we too have that
same goal, we have that samefocus, we have that same power
living in us, have that samegoal, we have that same focus,
we have that same power livingin us.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, I, you know, um , I want to read this our faith
in the resurrection stands, notbecause we were there, but
eternal but there.
But the eternal God has spoken.
Um, I think, application for meeven now, going forward and you
know I spend a lot of timetalking to people about Jesus
and who he is and what he's donein my life, and I think that
(29:24):
just this is an added weapon forme.
I know this and I talk about itand I use the scriptures, but
just that confirmation and thatconfidence to speak, I mean
knowing that his word is morereliable than sight, and truly
go with what Paul says is thatwe walk by faith, not by sight,
(29:47):
because I believe in the one whomakes things, or says things
are going to happen, and thenthey happen.
Circling back to what Wayne said, there's no way that I can tell
anybody what's going to happenin five minutes or in 10 or 15.
But this guy spoke aboutthousands of years and he talked
(30:07):
about things that would happenin the immediate.
He can just tell you what'sgoing to happen and when that
becomes the person you follow,we all can sit right here at the
table and everybody who'slistening can say that we've
seen God work in our lives.
And it all is based off of andtruly comes from this idea of
(30:31):
the good news that Paul said Ideclare to you, which you heard
me preach, which you believe,what you stand in and what saves
you.
So the question then becomesare you truly believing it or
are you believing in vain?
Because if you're believing invain, then no wonder you're not
able to move or speak or talkabout it.
(30:53):
I think that that's somethingthat, from know from genesis one
to the book of in therevelation, I mean god has set
something in motion that cancontrol us, and control us in a
way that allows us to be betterthan we ever thought we could be
, if we allow it if we believeit and the reason you know life
(31:16):
lesson and the reason that wetake God as his word is I mean 1
Peter 1,.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The word of the Lord.
All flesh is grace like that.
We know that it's going to passaway Verse 25, but the word of
the Lord endures forever, yep,and it's living and active and
sharper than a two-edged sword.
And the apostles got thatliving and active and sharper
than in two-edged sword.
And the apostles got that.
Even though they'd been toldand instructed, they finally got
that moment where it happened.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well, and I think that this is a good, maybe
stopping point for this episodeas we work on bringing the
resurrection of Christ to aclose and get ready to look at
resurrection with the apostlesand with us in the next episode.
So, guys, make it real.
And, matt, I know you'vealready touched on this a little
bit, but what are the takeawaysfor this episode?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Big application for me personally, I'll just admit
it.
You know, I think that a lot oftimes I believe this book and I
love this book and I follow thisbook.
But I think that you know, justin studying this, when I think
about Isaiah 53 and I've donestudies with people on Psalm 22,
(32:28):
you know, and talking aboutthis idea of who Jesus was and
you know what he came to do,it's all in the scripture and I
need to even more so recognizethe power of the word of God and
I love it and I proclaim it.
(32:49):
But it just gives me anotherlevel of motivation.
It's that Hebrews, chapter four.
You know that two edged sword.
It's that hebrews, chapter 4,you know that two-edged sword,
like not just saying those wordsbut truly believe in those
words.
And I think that when peoplesee that in you it's a game,
it's like I may need to get inon what you're doing, like what
(33:10):
are you talking about?
You know, and I think this kindof builds into to the next
episode, because we see someguys that are about it.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
You know, because of that word, the word that they
finally remembered, yeah, soyeah, and I think, just to kind
of piggyback on what you said,the reason that we dig deeper
and have that conviction, evenon the individual lives, is
Romans 1, 4.
Jesus declared to be the son ofGod with power.
How by the resurrection.
That's right.
1.4.
Jesus declared to be the Son ofGod with power.
How by the resurrection.
That's right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And the verse that's really stood out to me getting
ready for this is 1 Corinthians15.17.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It kind of goes with what you just shared.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
If Christ has not been raised from the dead, your
faith is futile and you arestill in your sins.
Amen, yep, that's right.
There is nothing more importantthan the resurrection, because
if it didn't happen, what are wedoing here?
But it did, and we are and webelieve and that is the
motivation for it, and it can'tbe preached too many times, it
can't be remembered too manytimes or thought about or talked
(34:10):
about too many times, becausethis is it, this is what it is
all built on.
All right guys, greatdiscussion.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We'll.
This is it.
This is what it is all built on.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So, all right guys, great discussion We'll do it
again in a couple of weeks andcontinue looking at the
resurrection.
Thank you to everyone forwatching and listening.
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