April 11, 2025 • 32 mins
In this powerful and transparent episode of Rooted & Recovered, Dan and Justin dive deep into Step One of the 12-Step Program: "We admitted we were powerless over our addiction—that our lives had become unmanageable." Whether you're in recovery, walking with God for the first time, or struggling through the weight of life, this episode is for you.
Dan shares his rock-bottom moment—the day he realized willpower wasn’t enough and surrender was the only way forward. Justin opens up about finding grace behind the bars of a jail cell. Together, they break down the lie of "I got this," and point listeners toward a deeper truth: God’s power is made perfect in our weakness (2 Corinthians 12:9).
You’ll hear raw stories, spiritual insight, and real encouragement to let go of pride, drop the mask, and fully surrender. This episode isn’t about shame—it’s about freedom. Whether you’re battling addiction, anxiety, depression, or simply trying to hold it all together, Dan and Justin remind you: Surrender isn’t quitting. It’s letting God step in when you can’t.
🔹 Key Themes: Powerlessness, Surrender, Recovery, Faith, Identity in Christ
🔹 Scriptures Highlighted: Romans 7:18, 2 Corinthians 12:9
🔹 Includes a heartfelt prayer for salvation, strength, and boldness.
"You are not too far gone. You are not too broken. And you are not alone."
Support this podcast with your prayers, shares, and by hitting that subscribe button. Help us spread the message of recovery and hope. Let’s stay rooted, stay recovered, and get to work.
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This world doesn't hand outhealing.
It offers quick fixes, cheappies and empty promises, but
real recovery.
It takes roots.
Roots that dig deep into truth,into identity, into the
unshakeable grace of God.
We're not here to sugarcoat thestruggle.
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We've lived it.
Addiction, shame, relapse,regret, but we've also seen
resurrection.
We've seen what happened.
Happens when broken people getanchored in something real
rooted and recovered is morethan a podcast.
It's a battleground for thesoul.
A place where scars tellstories, where scripture speaks
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louder than shame, where freedomisn't just a word.
It's a war we win daily.
So if you're tired of surfacelevel answers, if you want truth
that convicts, hope that heals,and conversations that cut
through the noise, you're in theright place.
Welcome to Rooted and Recovered.
Dan (01:07):
guys, we have got such a powerful episode today, and I
can't wait to get into this, butjust real quick, just to do a
little housekeeping we reallycould use your support and I
know Justin, a lot of times whenpeople hear the word support,
they're like, oh God, how muchmoney do they need?
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Guys, we don't need a dime fromyou.
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We desperately need your prayersbecause we want this podcast.
Anytime we kick a podcast out,we want it to get into the right
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See, we only got, me and Justinonly have so much of a reach.
But you got friends that wedon't have, you have
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So.
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That's all the housekeeping Igot for today.
Thank you so much for tuning inwith us, but we are going to
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jump into the very.
First episode, and we are gonnabe talking about step one in the
12 step program.
If you have followed NA, AA,celebrate Recovery there is so
many others that utilize a 12step.
You are very familiar with this.
But before we can jump to step12, Justin, there's gotta be a
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step one when you are servingGod, and we're gonna talk about
here this in just a moment.
I don't care if you've beenserving God for today, or if
you've been serving God for 20years, there was a step one that
you had to take in your lifefirst.
And when we look at this stepone.
When you read it, it tells usthat we admitted we are
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powerless over our addiction andthat our lives have become
unmanageable.
Let me repeat that to you, stepone, the very first step, it
says, we admitted we arepowerless over our addiction,
that our lives have becomeunmanageable.
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And Justin, let me ask you aquestion, brother.
and I've asked this myself, whatdo you do when your best effort
isn't enough?
Justin (03:50):
I can tell you what I used to do was I'd strive, I'd
struggle, and I'd just continueto keep doing things that
honestly weren't working.
If you look back, it wasinsanity, and we're gonna get to
that step later.
But I've come to find what worksis coming to a posture of
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surrender.
It's getting out of my own waybecause I've come to realize
that it's only when I get to theend of me, that God starts,
because that's where Christlies.
He doesn't lie in what Justindoes.
He lies in what he does, andthat's where I'm supposed to
meet him at.
So man, that's such a powerfulstep.
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And I think so many people skipit too many times in life.
Dan (04:37):
No, I agree with you, Justin.
You know what I was thinking,not even early in recovery, I'm
just talking about life ingeneral.
I.
I really thought that if I couldget A and B to line up, C would
just happen to work itself out.
And I know somebody listening tothis podcast today is thinking
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that same things because Icouldn't tell you how many
times, Justin, that I said tomyself, never again.
I'm done.
And maybe I flushed dope downthe toilet.
Maybe I threw it away.
But guess what, man?
Something.
Inside of me a few hours laterwould fire right back up and I'd
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be on that phone again.
Fast forward to recovery.
Learning how to be a betterperson, learning how to be a
Christian that walk with God.
And I would mess up and I wouldsay to myself, never again.
And did I?
Little did I know the just a fewmoments later, a few hours
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later, man, I would be rightback into that mess again.
And that's when I finally had torealize, man, I'm powerless,
bro.
Dan is powerless, and that is aword that we don't want to talk
about.
You can't tell me I'm powerless.
I'm a man, I'm a husband, I'm adad.
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I'm established.
I'm not powerless.
I got everything figured out,but no matter how many times
Justin, I tried, dude, Icontinue to fall, I continued to
mess up.
I continued to wipe out, and itwasn't until I hit that rock
bottom moment.
That rock bottom moment, Justin,that I realized, you know what,
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I don't have this figured out.
My life is unmanageable.
I need help.
And it was that day that I criedout to God at that rock bottom
moment, man.
And you know, I'm gonna ask youhere in just a moment, but man,
while I'm talking, I wanna sharethat the reality of
powerlessness.
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You know, I watched my family,bro.
Walk out on me again.
Sick and tired of me, man.
Sick and tired of the lies.
Dude.
Sick and tired of the deception.
Sick and tired of me blowing$700a week on dope and then watching
us scrape by to get food for thehouse.
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I'm talking real to somebodyreal and raw right now.
My wife was sick of it, family,and she had enough of it and she
was.
Tired of me putting her throughthat stuff.
And I watched her walk out thedoor, man, and I heard my voice
echoing dude, into a house.
That should have been a home.
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That should have been loud withlittle kids running around my
kids man.
Now I'm sitting in this.
Empty house all by myself,ma'am.
And I walked into this mirror.
I shared this in our firstepisode.
I walked into this my bedroomdude, and I remember looking at
myself in the mirror and I seenthis sick.
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A sick individual, bro.
I lost everything Again, me,Dan, who has it all figured out,
if I could just get A to line upwith B Justin, C's gonna work
itself out.
Well, guess what, It neverhappened, bro.
So I'm sitting here looking atmyself, man, this busted,
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broken, disgusting mess, And Iheard the voice of the Lord that
day.
We talked about this.
He asked me, when are you goingto give this to me?
And it was at that moment,Justin, that I finally realized,
this is so much bigger than me.
Justin (08:30):
Every time you tell that, Dan, I get chills because
that's that moment that Christbecame real to you.
To me.
And that's that moment ofpowerlessness that you were
talking about here for me.
And I told the story too, lastweek.
It was that jail cell.
This was, so this was thebeginning of December.
I had a child who was 13 yearsold, who had already lost his
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mom to a drug addiction, andhere I was sitting in a jail
cell looking at six to 10 years.
I.
And in that moment, and I talkedabout it, how I came to the end
of myself, how I gave up, and Ihated everything about me.
And Jesus came to me and said,but I still love you.
But it was in that moment, Dan,where I had sat there and I
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realized nothing I had ever donehad worked.
Like you said, I kept thinkingif A and B lined up, I can get
all the way to Z if I can getthat to happen.
And I'd spend so much time in mymind.
Trying to figure these thingsout only to see'em come to
nothing.
And when it finally came tonothing, when I came to nothing,
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there was something there,right?
There was that love that movedinside those four walls that
reminded me that I was notalone, and that there is a power
to help change.
But in order for that to happen,I had to come to a place of
powerlessness.
Man, it's in that powerlessness.
I found freedom and I still findit in that today because how
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many times, Dan, do we gothrough this life and even
though we've been walking thiswalk, we still think, ah, this
next step I'm gonna go ahead andtake it on my own'cause I got
it.
And where does that end up?
Leading Right down the drain.
We gotta continue to live inpowerlessness.
Dan (10:19):
It's such a good point too, man, because you know, there's a
lie that we tell ourselves.
I got this.
I can handle this, I can controlthis.
But man, when I, every time Ihear that, every time I hear
that, man, I'm reminded of ascripture in Romans chapter
seven, and I'm gonna be readingfrom the NIV.
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I love the book of Romans,Justin.
Anytime I meet a newbornbeliever and they say, you know,
pastor Dan, where's the firstplace I need to read?
I always send them to Romans.
Because it's like ourDeclaration of Independence from
sin.
Is found in the book of Romans,and you know, every time we tell
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that lie to ourself, I got this,I can handle this.
The Bible tells us somethingcompletely different, and this
is in Romans chapter seven,verse 18.
Listen to what Paul tells usfor.
I have the desire to do what isgood, but I cannot carry it out.
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See, you wanna do good, and I'mnot knocking you, I'm not saying
that you don't want to do goodas human beings, our nature is
to be able to do good and towant to do good.
But guys, the reality is we havea sin nature.
There is a sin nature that youand I.
Have this goes all the way backto Genesis chapter three.
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Guys, this is a whole lesson foranother day, but this goes all
the way back to Genesis chapterthree.
You and I were born with a sinnature.
No matter how hard we tried,Justin, without God in the
center of my life, bro, I don'tgot this.
I don't have this figured out.
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A will never line up with B togive me CI.
Justin (12:12):
And you know what, Dan, that was the problem in the
beginning.
You know, you talk about Genesisthree, but what did Adam and Eve
want?
They wanted to be like God, theywanted that power.
And look where it led'em.
Look where it led.
Every single human after thatman, and like you said, that I
got this mentality got me inplaces that I didn't want to be
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in, but.
When I came to Christ and Istopped saying, I got this, and
started saying, Lord, you havethis.
You take this.
I started seeing change and I'mnot just talking about some
weird outer change where, oh, Iwas in a good mood.
I'm talking about real lifelasting change that has carried
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me through some of the darkestdays of my life because I can
look back and see what he's donefor me.
Dan (13:02):
And as you were sitting there talking about that man,
and we talk about the reality ofpowerlessness, you know, the
thought that came to my mindman, is we don't need more
willpower, bro.
We need more surrender.
We need more surrender the morewillpower guys, I'm just going
to be 100 with you.
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It's not gonna cut it againstthe sin nature.
The only way that you and I aregoing to defeat this, Justin,
the only way that I was able toget to the other side was to
surrender my life to JesusChrist.
Man, there is a song, bro, weused to sing in, in the old
Pentecostal churches.
It says Only Jesus.
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Can satisfy your soul family.
I've come here to tell youtoday, I don't care what the lie
from the enemy is telling youand pounding into your head.
I don't care what society mightbe telling you, what your family
might be telling you.
I'm telling you there is.
Freedom in Jesus.
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There is freedom in the name ofJesus.
We don't need more willpower.
We don't need another step.
As good as they are and as goodas we're talking about'em, bro,
we need surrender.
Justin (14:20):
You know, if you've been around 12 step programs, there's
a saying that denial is morethan just a river in Egypt.
Right.
But if we're actually looking atour lives, that denial that we
aren't capable of doing itourselves or that we're not
capable of doing it ourselves isexactly where the enemy wants
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us.
Because, like you said, upahead, we're looking at lions
and tigers and bears.
Oh my.
But meanwhile, we're drowning inthe struggles of life and the
enemy.
We can't even see'em coming.
But we gotta be willing tosurrender and say, I'm taking a
step out of this denial.
I'm taking a step out of thisriver because guess what?
What lies ahead is far greaterthan where I am, and that
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freedom lies ahead.
Are you willing to take thatstep into freedom?
Are you willing to let go andsurrender?
Are you willing to admit Ican't?
But God can and accept thatbecause you might find yourself
in that river a hundred timesbefore life's over.
But guess what?
You have to keep remindingyourself when I can't, God can.
Dan (15:29):
Justin.
And that's the thing rightthere.
That's the whole title of thispodcast.
When I can't, God can I got newsfor you brother.
I got news for you sister.
You can't.
You can't.
If you coulda, you would've.
And if you would've, youshould've, but you didn't.
And you're right here whereyou're at.
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You are at your rock bottommoment right now, and I might
not even be talking about dope.
I.
I might be talking aboutanxiety.
I might be talking to you aboutdepression.
I might be talking to you aboutsuicidal thoughts It doesn't
have to be about dope andalcohol.
It could be something in yourlife right now that you are
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trying to lead yourself and youare trying.
If I could just do this, if Icould just get that, if I could
just achieve this, my life willbe okay.
I'm telling you family, itwon't.
You don't need more willpower.
You need surrender.
And I remember Justin, I used tobeat myself up so bad.
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We was actually talking aboutthis today.
I.
because I didn't go to Bibleschool, I don't have a Bible
degree, I don't have I don'thave all the accolades somebody
might need in my position.
And I used to listen to peoplelike, oh no Dan, you gotta sit
down for a while and you gottalearn, you gotta grow.
And that's true to an extent,but when you're called by God,
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you're called by God.
And I used to let people dictateme what I could and couldn't do.
Then I would look at myself andI'd be like, yeah, I'm not
qualified.
Yeah.
I can't do this.
And the Lord spoke to me soplainly, Justin, and he told me
whoever said you could.
Whoever said you could.
Justin (17:19):
Exactly whoever said that I could do what God wants
me to do, whoever said that youcould do what God wants you to
do, God doesn't expect us to doit.
He just expects us to surrenderand let him do it through us
every step we take.
He wants to be the guidingforce.
He wants to lift your leg andplace it where it goes, but you
have to be willing to let
Dan (17:40):
go of that leg.
So good.
And the scripture that comes tomy mind as we're talking about
this is in second Corinthians12, nine.
And Paul, we're gonna be readinga lot about Paul, so get
comfortable about this becausePaul dealt with a lot of the
things that you and I dealt withSo when you are battling this
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weakness right now I'm talkingto you right now.
Listen to me, brother.
Listen to me, sister.
If you are sitting right now andyou are listening to this
podcast and you are saying, Iwant to do this so bad, but I
can't I want to be a betterperson.
I want to be in recovery.
I want to be a better husband, abetter.
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Father a better whatever that isin your life, and the enemy is
coming and just.
Beating on you and just gutpunching you and just sucker
punching you family.
You can't on your own.
Willpower is not going to cutit.
You are going to have tosurrender.
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And this is what the Bible saysin second Corinthians 12, nine.
But he said to me, and this isPaul talking about Jesus, listen
to this.
My grace is sufficient for mypower is made perfect in
weakness.
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Therefore, I will boast all themore gladly about my weakness so
that Christ.
Power may rest on me.
This is why for Christ's sake, Idelight in weakness.
Come on now, in insults, inhardships, in persecutions, in
difficulties.
Listen to this, for when I amweak, then I am strong.
Justin (19:30):
And notice a progression there, Dan.
He begins by going to God firstso many times we want to take
that first step.
But we don't take the steptowards God and we wonder why
we're falling flat on our face.
It's great if you say you'repowerlessness, but what are you
looking to for power?
And we're gonna get into that.
But look where it goes.
I.
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He says, my grace is sufficient,and Paul says, therefore, I will
boast in my weakness.
I will admit that I ampowerless, proudly admit that I
am powerless because I'm notproud of myself, but I have a
good God who is up there, who iswilling and able to do all that
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he promised.
And.
In my weakness, he will beglorified.
In my powerlessness, I will seestrength that I've never known,
but too many people don't wannabe powerless.
Dan (20:24):
It's a pride issue.
It all comes down to pride,because when I admit that I'm
powerless, when I admit I'mweak, then I am letting people
know that I've got struggles.
Family, it's time to stopputting the mask on.
It's time to stop showing peoplethe good side of us and start
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letting my weakness show why?
Because the Bible just told usguys, it's when he comes through
his best.
It's in my weakest moments thatChrist is at his.
Best, and guys, I wanna tellyou, surrender.
It isn't quitting.
It's letting God step in whenyou can't.
Justin (21:11):
You know, a verse comes to mind, Dan.
The Bible says that God will usethe foolishness of the world to
confound the wise.
And the problem is too manypeople are wise in their own
eyes and think they've got itall figured out.
It's foolish to say, Isurrender.
It's foolish to wave a whiteflag, but can I tell you
something?
In the kingdom of God, it is notfoolish to him.
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That is the most humbling thingyou can do, and you can watch
him move in those.
Moments that you just give upand give it to God.
But we have to
Dan (21:42):
give up and give it so powerful, as we get ready to
wrap this podcast up, I gottaask the listener, I even gotta
ask myself this every day, guys,what am I still holding onto?
What am I trying to be incontrol of?
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What am I letting my pride getin the way and say, Hey, God, I
know me better than you know me.
I got this, and we continue tocrash and burn in our life.
When is enough going to beenough to where we can finally
step up and say, God, I needyou.
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And that's step one guys.
that's step one in recovery.
That's step one in giving yourlife to Christ.
That's step one in being afather, a husband, a wife,
everything is admitting thatGod.
Alone, I am powerless.
But with you, my weakness ismade strong in you.
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So therefore, I can boast in myweakness.
Is it tough?
Yes.
Is there gonna be tough daysthat are tougher than others?
Yes, but when I'm weak, that'swhere he's at his best.
Justin, when I'm struggling,that's where God can come in and
lift me up, and then I can say,you know what?
It was a God thing that got meto C because A wasn't cutting
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it.
B wasn't cutting it.
And definitely any other thing Itried wasn't cutting it.
And that is what step one is allabout.
It is admitting that wepowerless over our addiction,
powerless over our struggles andthat our life.
Has become unmanageable and itwill not be family.
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You listen to me.
It will not be until you come tothat realization right there,
that life will begin to changefor you, that things will begin
to change for you.
But I've gotta tell you this, Igot to tell you this'cause it's
not a one and done thing.
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Surrender isn't the end of yourstory.
It's the chapter where thingsstart changing.
It's not the end of your story.
It's not a one and done.
You're gonna have to wake upevery single day, and you are
gonna have to make the decision,am I going to follow the desires
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of my flesh, Dan, or am I goingto follow what Christ has for
me?
Justin (24:28):
It's in that surrender that your weakness becomes his
strength.
You know, I had a good friend ofmine, if you ever take a
flashlight and you go into yourbathroom and you shine it on
your mirror and there's nothingwrong with it, the flashlight
almost comes back dull.
Right, and you can go and trythat.
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Now, this next part, don't goand try because it's a little
outlandish, but if you go inthere and you take a hammer and
you hit that mirror and youwatch it crack, and you take
that same flashlight and shineit on that mirror, the light
comes back brighter.
You see, we have to be willingto admit we're powerless and
expose our cracks to God'slight, to the light that is
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Jesus Christ.
And we will see something shinebrighter through us than we have
ever seen before.
You wanna be a good father?
You want to be a good mother?
Start asking God how to do itand quit trying to do it
yourself.
You want to be a good employee,you want to be a good friend, a
brother, a sister.
Quit asking.
Others quit going to a well thathas a hole in the cistern and go
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to the well that never runs dry,which is Jesus Christ.
But it takes us surrendering toget there.
Dan (25:42):
So powerful family.
It's not a one-time decision.
It's a daily declaration thatsays, God, you can, because I
can't, and I feel in the spirit.
Justin, that somebody's gonnalisten to this podcast and
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they're in that moment rightnow.
They're in that moment of theyknow they need change.
They've tried it, A and bthey've watched, they're at that
rock bottom moment right now.
Justin, I want you to pray.
This is a.
Prayer.
And I want you to, I, I wantyou, if you're listening to
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this, if you know somebody thatneeds this, we wanna pray for
you right now.
Number one, for your salvation.
We wanna pray for yoursalvation, but we also wanna
pray for you for boldness.
I wanna speak boldness over youbecause it's bold.
It's not weak, it's bold to say.
I'm powerless, Justin, that is abold step and I want to commend
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you for that.
And the enemy's gonna come inand he's gonna try to wipe the
floor with you, but where youcan't, God can Justin pray for
us.
Whatever the spirit of the Lordis laid on you.
Pray for this right now.
Justin (27:02):
Father, we come before you Lord, with humble hearts.
You know the Bible says thatwhere two or more are gathered
in your name, you're a present,but the truth is Lord, your word
says in low, I am with youalways.
And so I pray for that person,Lord, that doesn't understand
that you're right there withthem.
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I pray for that one strugglingLord with whatever their rock
bottom is, because the truth ismy rock bottom is not theirs and
theirs isn't mine.
But Lord, you know their heart.
And Lord, I pray that they havean open heart, that they have an
open mind, and that they believeand receive, Lord, and that they
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turn it over to you.
Lord, I pray for the onestruggling to let go, that they
realize it's okay to bevulnerable.
It's okay to be weak, and I'mnot just talking about the
newcomer.
I'm talking about the Christianwho feels like they can't come
to an altar of repentancebecause they've been walking
with you too long.
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The Bible says, but hedemonstrates his great love
towards us, and while we wereyet sinners, he died on a cross.
That word demonstrates.
It means that it's never ending,it's still going on, Lord.
So I pray for the one who's juststruggling with whatever it is,
Lord, that they quit trying tohold on and just let go.
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And Lord, sometimes that takesso much.
Lord, that's where your strengthis found.
Because when we can't, you canLord.
So I pray, father, for the onethat needs to let go of his life
today, for the one that needs tojust surrender it all and say,
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Lord, I surrender.
I pray for the one who doesn'tknow you as their Lord and
Savior, and that today would bethe day of salvation.
I pray that today would be theday that they taste and see that
the Lord is good, and I pray forthe ones Lord who are listening,
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who are just struggling with theeveryday task of letting go,
whether it's anxiety or worry,or doubt, or fear or
unforgiveness.
Lord, I pray that we realizethat in our weakness, you are
strong, and I pray Holy Spirit,have your way.
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Let these words not be our ownand let them be of you, Lord,
and we pray all this and yourprecious and powerful name,
Jesus.
Amen.
Dan (29:48):
Amen.
And if you prayed that prayer,we want to celebrate with you.
Please go over to our Facebookpage rooted and recovered, and
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with you.
But before we go, I want you tohear this message loud and
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clear, and I just.
Feel to share this for you.
I wanna let you know that youare not too far gone, you are
not too broken, and moreimportantly, you are not alone.
We gotta get this thing into ourhead, Justin.
That recovery, it's not aboutperfection, it's about progress
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and with God.
The beautiful thing aboutserving God is your past doesn't
disqualify you.
What your past does, it preparesyou.
Keep showing up.
Keep being honest.
Keep surrendering yourself everyday, even when it's messy,
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because you are stronger thanyour struggle.
I promise you, you are lovedbeyond the shame and you are
rooted.
Grace that doesn't give up.
We believe in you even if youdon't believe in yourself.
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But more importantly, God hasn'tand never will change his mind
about you.
Until next time, family, stayrooted, stay recovered, and
let's get to work.
You are not just surviving.
You are becoming, becomingrooted in truth, becoming
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recovered by grace, and becomingthe person God always knew you
could be.
Thanks for joining us on Rootedin Recovered.
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Share it, live it, let it takeroot.
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This world doesn't hand outhealing.
It offers quick fixes, cheappies and empty promises, but
real recovery.
It takes roots.
Roots that dig deep into truth,into identity, into the
unshakeable grace of God.
We're not here to sugarcoat thestruggle.
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We've lived it.
Addiction, shame, relapse,regret, but we've also seen
resurrection.
We've seen what happened.
Happens when broken people getanchored in something real
rooted and recovered is morethan a podcast.
It's a battleground for thesoul.
A place where scars tellstories, where scripture speaks
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Welcome to Rooted and Recovered.
Dan (01:07):
guys, we have got such a powerful episode today, and I
can't wait to get into this, butjust real quick, just to do a
little housekeeping we reallycould use your support and I
know Justin, a lot of times whenpeople hear the word support,
they're like, oh God, how muchmoney do they need?
(01:28):
Guys, we don't need a dime fromyou.
Here's the support that you cando for us.
Number one, pray for us.
We desperately need your prayersbecause we want this podcast.
Anytime we kick a podcast out,we want it to get into the right
people.
We want the right people to hearit.
And this can happen by you.
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See, we only got, me and Justinonly have so much of a reach.
But you got friends that wedon't have, you have
acquaintances that we will neverbe able to encounter with.
So.
Where you can help us out is bysharing this, share this
podcast.
Hit that like button.
Hit that subscribe button.
(02:09):
We are on Google, Spotify.
Apple, you name it.
If there is a podcast platform,we are on it.
Share that podcast.
Get that out to people.
Be praying for us.
That's how you can help ussupport that.
That's all the housekeeping Igot for today.
Thank you so much for tuning inwith us, but we are going to
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jump into the very.
First episode, and we are gonnabe talking about step one in the
12 step program.
If you have followed NA, AA,celebrate Recovery there is so
many others that utilize a 12step.
You are very familiar with this.
But before we can jump to step12, Justin, there's gotta be a
(02:53):
step one when you are servingGod, and we're gonna talk about
here this in just a moment.
I don't care if you've beenserving God for today, or if
you've been serving God for 20years, there was a step one that
you had to take in your lifefirst.
And when we look at this stepone.
When you read it, it tells usthat we admitted we are
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powerless over our addiction andthat our lives have become
unmanageable.
Let me repeat that to you, stepone, the very first step, it
says, we admitted we arepowerless over our addiction,
that our lives have becomeunmanageable.
(03:38):
And Justin, let me ask you aquestion, brother.
and I've asked this myself, whatdo you do when your best effort
isn't enough?
Justin (03:50):
I can tell you what I used to do was I'd strive, I'd
struggle, and I'd just continueto keep doing things that
honestly weren't working.
If you look back, it wasinsanity, and we're gonna get to
that step later.
But I've come to find what worksis coming to a posture of
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surrender.
It's getting out of my own waybecause I've come to realize
that it's only when I get to theend of me, that God starts,
because that's where Christlies.
He doesn't lie in what Justindoes.
He lies in what he does, andthat's where I'm supposed to
meet him at.
So man, that's such a powerfulstep.
(04:32):
And I think so many people skipit too many times in life.
Dan (04:37):
No, I agree with you, Justin.
You know what I was thinking,not even early in recovery, I'm
just talking about life ingeneral.
I.
I really thought that if I couldget A and B to line up, C would
just happen to work itself out.
And I know somebody listening tothis podcast today is thinking
(04:59):
that same things because Icouldn't tell you how many
times, Justin, that I said tomyself, never again.
I'm done.
And maybe I flushed dope downthe toilet.
Maybe I threw it away.
But guess what, man?
Something.
Inside of me a few hours laterwould fire right back up and I'd
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be on that phone again.
Fast forward to recovery.
Learning how to be a betterperson, learning how to be a
Christian that walk with God.
And I would mess up and I wouldsay to myself, never again.
And did I?
Little did I know the just a fewmoments later, a few hours
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later, man, I would be rightback into that mess again.
And that's when I finally had torealize, man, I'm powerless,
bro.
Dan is powerless, and that is aword that we don't want to talk
about.
You can't tell me I'm powerless.
I'm a man, I'm a husband, I'm adad.
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I'm established.
I'm not powerless.
I got everything figured out,but no matter how many times
Justin, I tried, dude, Icontinue to fall, I continued to
mess up.
I continued to wipe out, and itwasn't until I hit that rock
bottom moment.
That rock bottom moment, Justin,that I realized, you know what,
(06:23):
I don't have this figured out.
My life is unmanageable.
I need help.
And it was that day that I criedout to God at that rock bottom
moment, man.
And you know, I'm gonna ask youhere in just a moment, but man,
while I'm talking, I wanna sharethat the reality of
powerlessness.
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You know, I watched my family,bro.
Walk out on me again.
Sick and tired of me, man.
Sick and tired of the lies.
Dude.
Sick and tired of the deception.
Sick and tired of me blowing$700a week on dope and then watching
us scrape by to get food for thehouse.
(07:04):
I'm talking real to somebodyreal and raw right now.
My wife was sick of it, family,and she had enough of it and she
was.
Tired of me putting her throughthat stuff.
And I watched her walk out thedoor, man, and I heard my voice
echoing dude, into a house.
That should have been a home.
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That should have been loud withlittle kids running around my
kids man.
Now I'm sitting in this.
Empty house all by myself,ma'am.
And I walked into this mirror.
I shared this in our firstepisode.
I walked into this my bedroomdude, and I remember looking at
myself in the mirror and I seenthis sick.
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A sick individual, bro.
I lost everything Again, me,Dan, who has it all figured out,
if I could just get A to line upwith B Justin, C's gonna work
itself out.
Well, guess what, It neverhappened, bro.
So I'm sitting here looking atmyself, man, this busted,
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broken, disgusting mess, And Iheard the voice of the Lord that
day.
We talked about this.
He asked me, when are you goingto give this to me?
And it was at that moment,Justin, that I finally realized,
this is so much bigger than me.
Justin (08:30):
Every time you tell that, Dan, I get chills because
that's that moment that Christbecame real to you.
To me.
And that's that moment ofpowerlessness that you were
talking about here for me.
And I told the story too, lastweek.
It was that jail cell.
This was, so this was thebeginning of December.
I had a child who was 13 yearsold, who had already lost his
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mom to a drug addiction, andhere I was sitting in a jail
cell looking at six to 10 years.
I.
And in that moment, and I talkedabout it, how I came to the end
of myself, how I gave up, and Ihated everything about me.
And Jesus came to me and said,but I still love you.
But it was in that moment, Dan,where I had sat there and I
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realized nothing I had ever donehad worked.
Like you said, I kept thinkingif A and B lined up, I can get
all the way to Z if I can getthat to happen.
And I'd spend so much time in mymind.
Trying to figure these thingsout only to see'em come to
nothing.
And when it finally came tonothing, when I came to nothing,
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there was something there,right?
There was that love that movedinside those four walls that
reminded me that I was notalone, and that there is a power
to help change.
But in order for that to happen,I had to come to a place of
powerlessness.
Man, it's in that powerlessness.
I found freedom and I still findit in that today because how
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many times, Dan, do we gothrough this life and even
though we've been walking thiswalk, we still think, ah, this
next step I'm gonna go ahead andtake it on my own'cause I got
it.
And where does that end up?
Leading Right down the drain.
We gotta continue to live inpowerlessness.
Dan (10:19):
It's such a good point too, man, because you know, there's a
lie that we tell ourselves.
I got this.
I can handle this, I can controlthis.
But man, when I, every time Ihear that, every time I hear
that, man, I'm reminded of ascripture in Romans chapter
seven, and I'm gonna be readingfrom the NIV.
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I love the book of Romans,Justin.
Anytime I meet a newbornbeliever and they say, you know,
pastor Dan, where's the firstplace I need to read?
I always send them to Romans.
Because it's like ourDeclaration of Independence from
sin.
Is found in the book of Romans,and you know, every time we tell
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that lie to ourself, I got this,I can handle this.
The Bible tells us somethingcompletely different, and this
is in Romans chapter seven,verse 18.
Listen to what Paul tells usfor.
I have the desire to do what isgood, but I cannot carry it out.
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See, you wanna do good, and I'mnot knocking you, I'm not saying
that you don't want to do goodas human beings, our nature is
to be able to do good and towant to do good.
But guys, the reality is we havea sin nature.
There is a sin nature that youand I.
Have this goes all the way backto Genesis chapter three.
(11:46):
Guys, this is a whole lesson foranother day, but this goes all
the way back to Genesis chapterthree.
You and I were born with a sinnature.
No matter how hard we tried,Justin, without God in the
center of my life, bro, I don'tgot this.
I don't have this figured out.
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A will never line up with B togive me CI.
Justin (12:12):
And you know what, Dan, that was the problem in the
beginning.
You know, you talk about Genesisthree, but what did Adam and Eve
want?
They wanted to be like God, theywanted that power.
And look where it led'em.
Look where it led.
Every single human after thatman, and like you said, that I
got this mentality got me inplaces that I didn't want to be
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in, but.
When I came to Christ and Istopped saying, I got this, and
started saying, Lord, you havethis.
You take this.
I started seeing change and I'mnot just talking about some
weird outer change where, oh, Iwas in a good mood.
I'm talking about real lifelasting change that has carried
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me through some of the darkestdays of my life because I can
look back and see what he's donefor me.
Dan (13:02):
And as you were sitting there talking about that man,
and we talk about the reality ofpowerlessness, you know, the
thought that came to my mindman, is we don't need more
willpower, bro.
We need more surrender.
We need more surrender the morewillpower guys, I'm just going
to be 100 with you.
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It's not gonna cut it againstthe sin nature.
The only way that you and I aregoing to defeat this, Justin,
the only way that I was able toget to the other side was to
surrender my life to JesusChrist.
Man, there is a song, bro, weused to sing in, in the old
Pentecostal churches.
It says Only Jesus.
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Can satisfy your soul family.
I've come here to tell youtoday, I don't care what the lie
from the enemy is telling youand pounding into your head.
I don't care what society mightbe telling you, what your family
might be telling you.
I'm telling you there is.
Freedom in Jesus.
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There is freedom in the name ofJesus.
We don't need more willpower.
We don't need another step.
As good as they are and as goodas we're talking about'em, bro,
we need surrender.
Justin (14:20):
You know, if you've been around 12 step programs, there's
a saying that denial is morethan just a river in Egypt.
Right.
But if we're actually looking atour lives, that denial that we
aren't capable of doing itourselves or that we're not
capable of doing it ourselves isexactly where the enemy wants
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us.
Because, like you said, upahead, we're looking at lions
and tigers and bears.
Oh my.
But meanwhile, we're drowning inthe struggles of life and the
enemy.
We can't even see'em coming.
But we gotta be willing tosurrender and say, I'm taking a
step out of this denial.
I'm taking a step out of thisriver because guess what?
What lies ahead is far greaterthan where I am, and that
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freedom lies ahead.
Are you willing to take thatstep into freedom?
Are you willing to let go andsurrender?
Are you willing to admit Ican't?
But God can and accept thatbecause you might find yourself
in that river a hundred timesbefore life's over.
But guess what?
You have to keep remindingyourself when I can't, God can.
Dan (15:29):
Justin.
And that's the thing rightthere.
That's the whole title of thispodcast.
When I can't, God can I got newsfor you brother.
I got news for you sister.
You can't.
You can't.
If you coulda, you would've.
And if you would've, youshould've, but you didn't.
And you're right here whereyou're at.
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You are at your rock bottommoment right now, and I might
not even be talking about dope.
I.
I might be talking aboutanxiety.
I might be talking to you aboutdepression.
I might be talking to you aboutsuicidal thoughts It doesn't
have to be about dope andalcohol.
It could be something in yourlife right now that you are
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trying to lead yourself and youare trying.
If I could just do this, if Icould just get that, if I could
just achieve this, my life willbe okay.
I'm telling you family, itwon't.
You don't need more willpower.
You need surrender.
And I remember Justin, I used tobeat myself up so bad.
(16:34):
We was actually talking aboutthis today.
I.
because I didn't go to Bibleschool, I don't have a Bible
degree, I don't have I don'thave all the accolades somebody
might need in my position.
And I used to listen to peoplelike, oh no Dan, you gotta sit
down for a while and you gottalearn, you gotta grow.
And that's true to an extent,but when you're called by God,
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you're called by God.
And I used to let people dictateme what I could and couldn't do.
Then I would look at myself andI'd be like, yeah, I'm not
qualified.
Yeah.
I can't do this.
And the Lord spoke to me soplainly, Justin, and he told me
whoever said you could.
Whoever said you could.
Justin (17:19):
Exactly whoever said that I could do what God wants
me to do, whoever said that youcould do what God wants you to
do, God doesn't expect us to doit.
He just expects us to surrenderand let him do it through us
every step we take.
He wants to be the guidingforce.
He wants to lift your leg andplace it where it goes, but you
have to be willing to let
Dan (17:40):
go of that leg.
So good.
And the scripture that comes tomy mind as we're talking about
this is in second Corinthians12, nine.
And Paul, we're gonna be readinga lot about Paul, so get
comfortable about this becausePaul dealt with a lot of the
things that you and I dealt withSo when you are battling this
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weakness right now I'm talkingto you right now.
Listen to me, brother.
Listen to me, sister.
If you are sitting right now andyou are listening to this
podcast and you are saying, Iwant to do this so bad, but I
can't I want to be a betterperson.
I want to be in recovery.
I want to be a better husband, abetter.
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Father a better whatever that isin your life, and the enemy is
coming and just.
Beating on you and just gutpunching you and just sucker
punching you family.
You can't on your own.
Willpower is not going to cutit.
You are going to have tosurrender.
(18:43):
And this is what the Bible saysin second Corinthians 12, nine.
But he said to me, and this isPaul talking about Jesus, listen
to this.
My grace is sufficient for mypower is made perfect in
weakness.
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Therefore, I will boast all themore gladly about my weakness so
that Christ.
Power may rest on me.
This is why for Christ's sake, Idelight in weakness.
Come on now, in insults, inhardships, in persecutions, in
difficulties.
Listen to this, for when I amweak, then I am strong.
Justin (19:30):
And notice a progression there, Dan.
He begins by going to God firstso many times we want to take
that first step.
But we don't take the steptowards God and we wonder why
we're falling flat on our face.
It's great if you say you'repowerlessness, but what are you
looking to for power?
And we're gonna get into that.
But look where it goes.
I.
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He says, my grace is sufficient,and Paul says, therefore, I will
boast in my weakness.
I will admit that I ampowerless, proudly admit that I
am powerless because I'm notproud of myself, but I have a
good God who is up there, who iswilling and able to do all that
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he promised.
And.
In my weakness, he will beglorified.
In my powerlessness, I will seestrength that I've never known,
but too many people don't wannabe powerless.
Dan (20:24):
It's a pride issue.
It all comes down to pride,because when I admit that I'm
powerless, when I admit I'mweak, then I am letting people
know that I've got struggles.
Family, it's time to stopputting the mask on.
It's time to stop showing peoplethe good side of us and start
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letting my weakness show why?
Because the Bible just told usguys, it's when he comes through
his best.
It's in my weakest moments thatChrist is at his.
Best, and guys, I wanna tellyou, surrender.
It isn't quitting.
It's letting God step in whenyou can't.
Justin (21:11):
You know, a verse comes to mind, Dan.
The Bible says that God will usethe foolishness of the world to
confound the wise.
And the problem is too manypeople are wise in their own
eyes and think they've got itall figured out.
It's foolish to say, Isurrender.
It's foolish to wave a whiteflag, but can I tell you
something?
In the kingdom of God, it is notfoolish to him.
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That is the most humbling thingyou can do, and you can watch
him move in those.
Moments that you just give upand give it to God.
But we have to
Dan (21:42):
give up and give it so powerful, as we get ready to
wrap this podcast up, I gottaask the listener, I even gotta
ask myself this every day, guys,what am I still holding onto?
What am I trying to be incontrol of?
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What am I letting my pride getin the way and say, Hey, God, I
know me better than you know me.
I got this, and we continue tocrash and burn in our life.
When is enough going to beenough to where we can finally
step up and say, God, I needyou.
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And that's step one guys.
that's step one in recovery.
That's step one in giving yourlife to Christ.
That's step one in being afather, a husband, a wife,
everything is admitting thatGod.
Alone, I am powerless.
But with you, my weakness ismade strong in you.
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So therefore, I can boast in myweakness.
Is it tough?
Yes.
Is there gonna be tough daysthat are tougher than others?
Yes, but when I'm weak, that'swhere he's at his best.
Justin, when I'm struggling,that's where God can come in and
lift me up, and then I can say,you know what?
It was a God thing that got meto C because A wasn't cutting
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it.
B wasn't cutting it.
And definitely any other thing Itried wasn't cutting it.
And that is what step one is allabout.
It is admitting that wepowerless over our addiction,
powerless over our struggles andthat our life.
Has become unmanageable and itwill not be family.
(23:37):
You listen to me.
It will not be until you come tothat realization right there,
that life will begin to changefor you, that things will begin
to change for you.
But I've gotta tell you this, Igot to tell you this'cause it's
not a one and done thing.
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Surrender isn't the end of yourstory.
It's the chapter where thingsstart changing.
It's not the end of your story.
It's not a one and done.
You're gonna have to wake upevery single day, and you are
gonna have to make the decision,am I going to follow the desires
(24:20):
of my flesh, Dan, or am I goingto follow what Christ has for
me?
Justin (24:28):
It's in that surrender that your weakness becomes his
strength.
You know, I had a good friend ofmine, if you ever take a
flashlight and you go into yourbathroom and you shine it on
your mirror and there's nothingwrong with it, the flashlight
almost comes back dull.
Right, and you can go and trythat.
(24:50):
Now, this next part, don't goand try because it's a little
outlandish, but if you go inthere and you take a hammer and
you hit that mirror and youwatch it crack, and you take
that same flashlight and shineit on that mirror, the light
comes back brighter.
You see, we have to be willingto admit we're powerless and
expose our cracks to God'slight, to the light that is
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Jesus Christ.
And we will see something shinebrighter through us than we have
ever seen before.
You wanna be a good father?
You want to be a good mother?
Start asking God how to do itand quit trying to do it
yourself.
You want to be a good employee,you want to be a good friend, a
brother, a sister.
Quit asking.
Others quit going to a well thathas a hole in the cistern and go
(25:36):
to the well that never runs dry,which is Jesus Christ.
But it takes us surrendering toget there.
Dan (25:42):
So powerful family.
It's not a one-time decision.
It's a daily declaration thatsays, God, you can, because I
can't, and I feel in the spirit.
Justin, that somebody's gonnalisten to this podcast and
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they're in that moment rightnow.
They're in that moment of theyknow they need change.
They've tried it, A and bthey've watched, they're at that
rock bottom moment right now.
Justin, I want you to pray.
This is a.
Prayer.
And I want you to, I, I wantyou, if you're listening to
(26:24):
this, if you know somebody thatneeds this, we wanna pray for
you right now.
Number one, for your salvation.
We wanna pray for yoursalvation, but we also wanna
pray for you for boldness.
I wanna speak boldness over youbecause it's bold.
It's not weak, it's bold to say.
I'm powerless, Justin, that is abold step and I want to commend
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you for that.
And the enemy's gonna come inand he's gonna try to wipe the
floor with you, but where youcan't, God can Justin pray for
us.
Whatever the spirit of the Lordis laid on you.
Pray for this right now.
Justin (27:02):
Father, we come before you Lord, with humble hearts.
You know the Bible says thatwhere two or more are gathered
in your name, you're a present,but the truth is Lord, your word
says in low, I am with youalways.
And so I pray for that person,Lord, that doesn't understand
that you're right there withthem.
(27:23):
I pray for that one strugglingLord with whatever their rock
bottom is, because the truth ismy rock bottom is not theirs and
theirs isn't mine.
But Lord, you know their heart.
And Lord, I pray that they havean open heart, that they have an
open mind, and that they believeand receive, Lord, and that they
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turn it over to you.
Lord, I pray for the onestruggling to let go, that they
realize it's okay to bevulnerable.
It's okay to be weak, and I'mnot just talking about the
newcomer.
I'm talking about the Christianwho feels like they can't come
to an altar of repentancebecause they've been walking
with you too long.
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The Bible says, but hedemonstrates his great love
towards us, and while we wereyet sinners, he died on a cross.
That word demonstrates.
It means that it's never ending,it's still going on, Lord.
So I pray for the one who's juststruggling with whatever it is,
Lord, that they quit trying tohold on and just let go.
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And Lord, sometimes that takesso much.
Lord, that's where your strengthis found.
Because when we can't, you canLord.
So I pray, father, for the onethat needs to let go of his life
today, for the one that needs tojust surrender it all and say,
(28:54):
Lord, I surrender.
I pray for the one who doesn'tknow you as their Lord and
Savior, and that today would bethe day of salvation.
I pray that today would be theday that they taste and see that
the Lord is good, and I pray forthe ones Lord who are listening,
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who are just struggling with theeveryday task of letting go,
whether it's anxiety or worry,or doubt, or fear or
unforgiveness.
Lord, I pray that we realizethat in our weakness, you are
strong, and I pray Holy Spirit,have your way.
(29:36):
Let these words not be our ownand let them be of you, Lord,
and we pray all this and yourprecious and powerful name,
Jesus.
Amen.
Dan (29:48):
Amen.
And if you prayed that prayer,we want to celebrate with you.
Please go over to our Facebookpage rooted and recovered, and
just leave a testimony, send usa message we want to celebrate
with you.
But before we go, I want you tohear this message loud and
(30:09):
clear, and I just.
Feel to share this for you.
I wanna let you know that youare not too far gone, you are
not too broken, and moreimportantly, you are not alone.
We gotta get this thing into ourhead, Justin.
That recovery, it's not aboutperfection, it's about progress
(30:33):
and with God.
The beautiful thing aboutserving God is your past doesn't
disqualify you.
What your past does, it preparesyou.
Keep showing up.
Keep being honest.
Keep surrendering yourself everyday, even when it's messy,
(30:54):
because you are stronger thanyour struggle.
I promise you, you are lovedbeyond the shame and you are
rooted.
Grace that doesn't give up.
We believe in you even if youdon't believe in yourself.
(31:14):
But more importantly, God hasn'tand never will change his mind
about you.
Until next time, family, stayrooted, stay recovered, and
let's get to work.
You are not just surviving.
You are becoming, becomingrooted in truth, becoming
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recovered by grace, and becomingthe person God always knew you
could be.
Thanks for joining us on Rootedin Recovered.
If this episode stirredsomething in you, don't keep it
to yourself.
Share it, live it, let it takeroot.
We'll see you next time righthere where scars become
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testimonies and hope rises fromthe ashes.
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