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This world doesn't hand outhealing.
It offers quick fixes, cheaphighes and empty promises, but
real recovery.
It takes roots.
Roots that dig deep into truth,into identity, into the
unshakeable grace of God.
We're not here to sugarcoat thestruggle.
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We've lived it.
Addiction, shame, relapse,regret, but we've also seen
resurrection.
We've seen what happened.
Happens when broken people getanchored in something real
rooted and recovered is morethan a podcast.
It's a battleground for thesoul.
A place where scars tellstories, where scripture speaks
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louder than shame, where freedomisn't just a word.
It's a war we win daily.
So if you're tired of surfacelevel answers, if you want truth
that convicts, hope that heals,and conversations that cut
through the noise, you're in theright place.
Welcome to Rooted and Recovered.
Dan (01:07):
So I'm gonna start this
podcast off with a, just a raw
question.
Justin, what if yourbreakthrough depends on your
willingness to give up control?
And you might be asking, whywould I bring a question up like
that at the very start of apodcast, and it's.
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Justin is what we're gonna betalking about today, man, with
step three, it tells us thatwe've made a decision to turn
our will and our lives over tothe care of God.
We, you, me, the individuallistening to this podcast,
Justin, at some point, in orderfor us to get to that next
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level, we are gonna have to makea decision.
That we are gonna have to turnour will and our lives over to
the care of God.
So I go back to the questionthat I opened this podcast with.
What if your breakthroughdepends on your willingness to
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give up control?
And that's a cold statement,bro, but it's the truth
Justin (02:20):
and I believe it's a
truth that so many people fail
to recognize in their own life.
And I've got another questionfor you, Dan.
Have you actually let somethinggo or are you just pretending to
let it go?
Because just like you weretalking about, our breakthrough
is dependent on our willingnessto surrender control to God.
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But how many of us like to go tothe altar on Sundays and pretend
we gave it to God, but juststand up and just take
everything right back with us,right?
These are real, raw, honestquestions that I believe we all
should ask ourselves, not once,not twice daily.
And
Dan (02:58):
That's the key thing right
there.
Justin.
You just said daily because theproblem with, when we say nasty
words, Justin, like surrender.
That's a nasty word to society.
Surrender.
Oh, that means I'm weak.
That means I'm a failure.
That means I'm showing defeat.
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And I'm here to encourage youtoday, and I'm here to debunk
that lie from the enemy family.
Surrender isn't weakness.
It's the most courageous thingyou'll ever do to be able to
say, I don't want this no more.
I give up.
It's at that moment right therethat real change happens,
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Justin, because we've came torealize, we've done the step
one, we've done step two, we'renow at step three where we
realize that if we are gonna goto step four and to 12 and
beyond, then I'm gonna have togive something up.
And that's.
My will.
That's my control.
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That's me wanting to be thedriver's seat of life.
And the problem is, Justin, isGod can't take you where he's
called you if you're still
Justin (04:18):
clinging to the will.
You're exactly right.
Who's in the driver's seat?
There's this bumper sticker inthe day, back in the day that
used to say, God is my copilot.
Why isn't God your pilot?
Imagine that you're on a busdriving through the woods and
there's trees all over.
You're blindfolded.
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You can't see where you're goingand you're just guaranteed to
wreck.
Do you trust yourself to dothat, or do you trust the one
who put those trees?
Out in that field.
Do you trust the one who createdthat bus you're driving?
Do you trust the one who holdsthe universe in his hands and
holds it all together to takethat wheel and steer you?
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It doesn't mean that it mightnot seem bumpy at times.
It doesn't mean you might not belooking over the edge wondering
where God's taking you.
There is a freedom, like youtalked about in surrender.
There is a peace in being inthat passenger seat and just
trusting God because like yousaid, Dan, if you want to get to
step four, you can't driveyourself there.
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You gotta let him drive
Dan (05:25):
well.
There's a struggle, Justin, tosurrender and it's okay, because
I was there at one time, guys.
Justin was there and if you knowsomebody who's got years of
recovery under their belt,they've been there to, there is
a struggle to surrender becausewe gotta look at it deeper than
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what it is, Justin, because nowyou're talking about me.
I'm talking about you.
Your will, your desire, yourability to want to be in
control.
But see family, that's whereaddiction thrives.
It thrives in control.
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It thrives in secrecy.
It thrives in self-protection,and the thing is just in
control.
It feels safe, but It's a trap.
And when you are sitting theretalking I couldn't help but go
to the book of Proverbs.
I love that book.
Proverbs chapter 14, verse 12.
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Justin, it says there's a waythat appears to be right, but in
the end it leads to death.
Justin, what are we talkingabout here?
We're talking about my way.
Yes, my will, my wants, mydesires, my ability to be in
control.
It looks good.
It feels safe, but the Bibletells us it ends in death.
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The truth is Justin, most of ushave tried to fix ourselves.
I've tried to fix myself, andguess what?
Family it didn't.
Work.
But here's the great thing aboutGod, Justin, here's what I love
about God so much.
He never asked you or I to haveeverything fixed.
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He never asked you to haveeverything lined up and all your
t's crossed and all your i'sdotted and everything, just all
in order and everything just inthis perfect bubble wrapped,
present and give it to God.
Say, okay, God, now you can fixme.
He's not.
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Asking that he never asked us tofix ourselves.
The only thing that God has doneis he's asked you and I to trust
him.
And that's the whole thing aboutthis step right here, Justin.
It's about trust.
How much can I trust God with mylife?
Justin (07:59):
As you was talking,
there's Jesus.
He's talking in Matthew and hesays, come.
He doesn't say, come to me, allyou who are perfect and have it
all figured out.
He doesn't say, come to me, allyou whose lives are manageable
and got it together.
He says, come to me all you whoare weary and heavy laden.
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Like you said, Dan, we try tocarry these burdens ourselves.
We try to be that driving forcethat continues on when the truth
is Jesus says, Hey.
Yolk up with me, become one withme, and let me help you carry
it.
But the only way that happens isif you surrender to him and let
him yolk to you.
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Let him be a part of your life.
Let him lead because that story.
There's two oxen and there's astrong old one that knows the
way, and there's a young onethat just keeps getting it
wrong.
So they put'em together and theyget to where they needed to go
at the end of the day guesswhat?
Jesus is the way, the truth, thelife, and I don't know about
you.
But I want the one in control ofmy life that knows where he is
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going.
Because like you said, Dan, Itried to change.
I tried so many times in my lifeto be just a better person.
And all that happened was I fellshort of God's glory.
But like you said, God neverasked me to get his glory.
God just said, come.
Dan (09:24):
That's what I wanna
encourage people with today.
If.
If you can take anything fromthis podcast, if you've learned
nothing at all, family is this,you don't have to have
everything figured out.
You don't have to have your lifefixed.
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Give it to God.
That's what this whole thing isabout.
The problem with control isJustin.
Causes you to feel safe.
but see family, what feels safe,what you and I feel is in
control.
Is more than likely what'skilling us.
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It's killing you, man.
The fact that we try to controlour lives.
The fact that we try to sit hereand say if I can just get.
A to line up, then B will workitself out Justin.
But truthfully, how many timeshave we done that?
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Those listening to this podcastright now, how many times have
you tried to fix yourself?
How many times have you triedthat?
If I can just get A to line up,B will work itself out just
fine.
And guess what?
You're still in stuck in"A"you're still crashing and
burning.
You're still trying to.
Figure out what I can do Nextfamily.
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Here is the million dollarsecret.
Take your hands off the steeringwheel and let God lead and guide
your life.
Let God take the wheel of yourlife.
That's what step three's allabout.
Justin is making that decision.
To turn our will turn.
Dan over.
Turn Justin over.
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Turn the listener over.
Turn me over.
Allow God to take care of mylife.
You look at it like this, howmany times have you been riding
shotgun and you're trying tosteer from the passenger seat?
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or having that that backseatdriver and it's so frustrating.
But how many times are we doingthat to God?
Justin, we're sitting here inour recovery or in our spiritual
life, or in our marriage or ourfamily or whatever.
God's sitting here trying todrive, and we're trying to give
God directions in our life likewe know ourselves better than
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what God does.
So God's saying, Hey, I'm gonnatake you right?
No God, I've been there.
Take me left.
It's quicker.
It's easier.
Remember what Proverbs said,that there's a way that seems
right, but it's in leads todestruction and death.
We really need to remember thatscripture, Justin.
Justin (12:11):
Has anybody, if you've
ever been on an airplane, did
you go up to the cockpit andtell the pilot where you think
they should go?
When you're tired and you'reworn out, do you not trust
somebody else in the vehiclewho's more awake, more alert to
take the wheel?
Those are human beings who canlet us down.
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Why don't we put our faith insomeone who's never let us down,
who's never failed?
Dan said it last time.
He's batting a thousand.
He's never struck out.
So why do I feel the need tokeep trying to be in control
when there's someone there whennot only has control, but is
sovereign in all his ways,meaning his will be fulfilled
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regardless of if I get it rightor not.
He's still in control of it,Proverbs 3:5-6 one of my
favorite verses, trust in theLord with all your heart.
And I think that's where itbegins, because like we talked
about earlier, what part are youfailing to surrender?
Trust in the Lord, not with partof your recovery.
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Don't just trust him with yourrecovery, with your marriage.
Trust in the Lord with all ofit.
Dan (13:24):
When we're talking about
trying to be that backseat
driver or that passenger seatdriver and just letting God take
the wheel, and you brought up agreat point.
You know where you've beentired, you've been driving all
day, and you finally pull over,you're tired, you're weary, and
you allow somebody to take that.
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wheel you allowed somebody Tosit in the driver's seat and
there's a sense of relaxationbecause I'm not having to be so
focused no more.
I'm not having to, I don't haveto care no more Justin.
Now I can't do that with my son.
He's got his driver's permit nowand he's doing somewhat good,
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but there's no way, Justin, Icould jump in the passenger
seat.
Take a nap and let him drive onthe interstate to Florida.
There's no way I could do thatbecause I would be on too high
alert and too high guard.
This is the problem with ourrecovery.
We put our trust and our hopeand things that are too risky.
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We put our trust, Justin, and weput our hope into things that
are too high risk and makes us,ends up making us high strong,
ends up making us nervous.
And what's that lead to?
Relapse.
It leads to us quitting.
It leads to us giving up, andthen we start blaming the
recovery program.
We start blaming our recoverycoach and we start blaming our
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therapist.
We start blaming the church.
It's all in what am I putting mytrust in?
What are we putting our hope in?
And you said it perfectly.
In Proverbs, king Solomon said,to trust in the Lord not to
trust in man, not to trust in aprogram, not to trust in your
church or your pastor as good asthose things are, but to trust
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in the Lord with all your heart.
That means.
Everything.
Justin, that means my all.
That means I'm putting all thechips on the table.
I've seen the hand.
I'm going all in with this.
I've gotta go all in on myrecovery.
Justin, you got to family.
You gotta go all in on yourrecovery.
You gotta go all in and servingthe Lord that you cannot be
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wishy-washy with your recovery.
You cannot be wishy-washy withserving the Lord.
You've got.
To give it your all.
He said, to trust in the Lordwith all your heart and lean not
on your own understanding.
That's the key right there,Justin.
Take your hands off your will.
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Your will take your hands offyour will.
Stop leaning on your ownunderstanding why?
Because Justin, if we could havefixed it, we already would've.
If you listening to this todayor listening this sometime in
the future for those listening,if you could have fixed yourself
already.
You would have, but you haven't.
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And the good news is all yougotta do, family is to lean into
God, to trust God with all yourheart.
Stop leaning on your ownunderstanding.
And what's the rest of the Biblesay?
He will make your pathsstraight.
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But Justin, if we really want tosee a picture.
What surrender really lookslike.
And we're a week out of Easter.
There is no greater pictureJustin of surrender than that of
Jesus in the Garden ofGethsemane.
And I'm not gonna read all thescriptures today, Justin, but I
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believe it's in the book of Lukechapter 22, and he, Jesus.
Prayed to prayer.
That is life changing.
Justin, life changing for me waslife changing for me.
He said, father, if you'rewilling, take this cup, but not
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my will.
See, that's powerful.
Not my will be done, but yoursbe done.
I put myself in that shoe.
God, if you're willing to takethis cup, God, if you're willing
to take whatever your cup is,whatever that cup is in your
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life, God, if you're willing totake this cup from me, but more
importantly, God, not Dan'swill, not Dan's desires, not
Dan's wants, but your will bedone.
Justin (18:06):
For a long time I tried
to do what Justin wanted to do.
I lived my life according towhat Justin said needed to be
done.
But like you said, Dan, when Icame to that place and see the
Garden of Gethsemane, Gethsemanemeans olive press.
Right.
That's where the anointinghappens is in that olive press.
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Olives are great.
They taste good on a salad.
You can use them, man, just eat'em.
They're good.
But that oil, when you press anolive and it becomes oil, then
you can anoint for healing.
Then you can anoint for faith,and that's what it is.
It's faith.
It's saying, God, I put my faithin your will and.
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Hebrews tells us, without faith,it's impossible to please God.
And what is more faithful thansaying, Lord, not my will, not
what I want done.
I want done what you want done.
You want a good marriage?
Give it to God.
You want to be able to love yourkids the right way.
Let God love them through you.
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Do what God wants you to do inthat situation.
You wanna recover, you wannawalk in freedom.
Then give it to God and let himguide your steps.
Because my steps led straight tothe dope house.
My steps led straight to prison.
His steps have led me to thechurch.
His steps have led me tofellowship.
His steps have led me to love,but it took me coming to that
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place and saying, not my will,but thy will be done.
Dan (19:42):
And you just said it with
the Garden of Gethsemane, that
means pressing.
What does that tell us family?
That means for us to get to thatanointing, I've gotta be pressed
Jesus in the garden ofGethsemane bro.
To get his assignment had to bepressed You see because a lot of
people don't understand Jesus.
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And we're not gonna get up here,and I'm not gonna give you a PhD
in Jesus.
Long story short, bro, he wasfully God and he was fully man.
He was 100% God, and he was 100%man.
He had to be man, because God isperfect and sinless, and you
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can't put the weight of sin onsomething perfect.
So Jesus himself, God wrapped inhuman skin, Jesus.
Had to be that ultimatesacrifice.
And in this moment, Justin, thisis the flesh side of Jesus
coming out.
Why?
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Because he knew the pain ahead.
He knew he was fixing to bewhipped.
He knew he was fixing to have acrown of thorns slammed on his
head.
He knew they were about to nailspikes into his hands and his
feet.
He knew they were about to whiphim to the point that they were
ripping flesh off his back.
He knew this.
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This is why Jesus prayed this.
Justin, if it be your will, takethis from me.
But then he understood theassignment.
Justin, you and I have anassignment in our life,
listener.
You have an assignment in yourlife, but to get to that
assignment, there's got to be acrushing and what's gotta be
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crushed?
My will.
Your will.
Jesus didn't deny his fear.
I'm not here.
I'm here to validate your feartoday.
I understand family.
I know how scary it is to be ata rock bottom moment, Justin,
and understand like, I can't dothis no more.
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I can't take this next step.
I don't know if I, Justin, I'mgonna be honest with you right
now.
When I was in my addiction, Iknew one or two things was going
to happen to me.
I was gonna overdose and notcome back'cause I already
overdosed.
I overdosed.
and thankfully they was able tobring me back or I was gonna end
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up committing suicide because Iwasn't going to start my life
over again.
I watched my family walk out onme.
My fault.
I did every bit of it myself,Justin, that was all me.
And I watched my family walk outand I knew at that moment that
two things was gonna happen tome.
I was gonna overdose.
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Or I was gonna end up committingsuicide'cause I wasn't starting
over again.
And it was scary.
It was scary.
Just like it had to be scary forJesus in this moment right here.
He didn't deny his fear.
He didn't fake it till he madeit.
He brought it all to the father,bro.
He brought it all to the father,and he surrendered with the
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realest prayer that you and Ican ever make in our life.
Family.
You want to talk about boldness.
You wanna talk about a prayerthat shakes hell?
You wanna talk about a prayerthat changes families and change
his lives and change hissituation when you step up and
say, not my will.
But yours and at this moment,Justin, this is what leads to
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our salvation.
Justin (23:21):
The Bible says that
Jesus did that.
Like you said, he knew what wascoming and I don't think we
could ever fully grasp whathappened that day, but he did it
for the joy that was set beforehim.
Look listener.
If you're there today and you'rewondering what joy is, happiness
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is dependent on circumstances.
Joy is deeply rooted ingratitude for what Jesus has
done.
There is a joy set before youthat breaks chains.
There is a joy set before youthat gives you strength to take
that next step that you don'tthink you could take.
But it takes us coming to thatgarden, it takes us getting
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pressed and saying, not my will.
your will be done.
And yes, Calvary probably lookeddaunting to the other criminals,
but to Jesus, he saw what was onthe other side.
He saw the glory of God that wasgonna be revealed in his death.
He saw the glory in God theglory of God that was gonna be
revealed in his surrender.
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There is a glory of God.
There is a change that takesplace when you surrender.
That can only happen insurrender.
The world has made it such anasty word like Dan said.
Man, it's a beautiful word.
There's beauty in surrender.
So many people don't realizethat your addiction has got you
chained anyway, so why not bechained to something good?
Dan (24:47):
family.
Your recovery hinges on thatsame decision today, your
recovery.
Hinges on that same decisionthat Jesus made so many years
ago.
We keep saying 2000 years.
It's been 2000 years since I wasa kid.
I don't know that.
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I don't know how long it is, butit's your recovery hinges on
that same decision, family.
You are gonna have to get to thepoint in your life if you are
sick and tired of going aroundthat mountain over and over and
over.
That sounds like the definitionof insanity, Justin, to do the
same things over and over andexpect a different result.
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If you're tired, if you're sickand tired of the insanity in
your life, in your marriage, inyour family.
In your finances, in your job,any, in any aspect of your life,
you are gonna have to start witha declaration.
Not my will, not my way, not mystrength, but yours, God.
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And this is why I had to bringthis up family, because Jesus
didn't preach surrender.
He lived it with everything inhim, wanted to run when the
flesh wanted to run.
Oh, come on man.
Somebody better catch what Ijust threw at you.
Jesus just didn't preach.
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Surrender, family.
He lived it when.
Everything inside of him wantedto run.
Family.
You are going to have to live,surrender when everything else
inside of you wants to quit.
When everything else inside ofyou wants to give up.
When you've tried everythingelse and you feel like you're at
that very, at that breakingpoint and you're about to give
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up, I'm telling you right now,declare in the name of Jesus,
not my will, not my way.
Not my strength, but yours,
Justin (26:53):
God, As he was talking,
Dan in scripture came to mind,
Matthew 16:24-25 you wanna knowwhat living it looks like,
because like you said, Jesusdidn't just say.
Not my will, but your will.
He lived it.
And what does he tell us?
Then Jesus said to hisdisciples, if any of you wants
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to be my follower, you must giveup your own way.
Take up your cross and followme.
If you try to hang on to yourlife, you will lose it, right?
You're gonna lose if you aretrying to do this yourself.
There is no hope.
There is no future, but.
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If you give up your life.
For my sake, you will save it.
So many of us are struggling inour recovery.
So many of us and recovery ismore than drugs and alcohol.
So many of us are juststruggling with life because we
fail to surrender.
We keep trying to go on our ownway.
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But if we would pick up thecross, sacrifice ourselves,
sacrifice our wheels, you willsee breakthrough.
Now, it doesn't mean that thegrass is gonna be green, and the
sunshine and rainbows are gonnabe every day, but it means that
you will have strength to go on.
And let me tell you something.
For a long time, my biggestissue was with my own self.
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I would sit and haveconversations with myself about
something that happened earlierin the day or something that was
gonna happen tomorrow, and Iwould drive myself crazy, but
when I came to Christ and said,you know what, not my will, but
your will be done.
That anxiety, it went away atnight.
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I can lay my head down andsleep, not because I haven't,
it's not because I'm not doinganything.
It's because what I've done hasbeen meaningful.
It's because what I've done hasmoved me forward and not
backwards, but it takes thatsurrender, it takes that picking
up the cross and saying, Lord, Iwant my life to be your life.
Dan (29:02):
So good.
What a powerful study today.
And we gotta wrap this thing up,Justin.
Otherwise we'll keep going,brother.
This is, this is probablyhonestly a a multiple podcast
episode, but we're gonna try tocondense this thing into about a
35 minute podcast for you.
But I just feel Justin, that itprobably is gonna require a
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deeper eval.
'cause you're talking about ourwill and there's just so much
scripture and so much just ofthe Bible that we just couldn't
get to today.
And we could, but like I said,it'd be a three hour podcast.
So, but I want to close withthis, Justin.
What's your cup?
What is that cup?
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What's that thing that you don'twant to face?
What's that thing that you don'twant to carry anymore or let go
of?
What is your cup?
And I wanna ask you a finalquestion.
What area of your life are youstill trying to control and it's
killing your peace?
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It's destroying your peace.
It's destroying your life.
I invite you today to write themdown.
Write those things down thathave been gripping you and just
tearing you down and just bereal honest, open and raw with
yourself.
Write something down thatsomething that you just haven't
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surrendered, and it doesn't haveto be an addiction family.
It might be something else inyour life.
Something else in your life thatis a cup that you're trying to,
that you're trying to hurry upand get rid of that, but you're
not really surrendering it, butyou're still trying to take
control of it.
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Then I want you to do something.
I want you to write it down.
Then I want you to rip it up.
Rip it into shreds and notbecause it doesn't matter,
Justin, but because it's time tolet God take it.
And that is a symbol of youripping that outta your life and
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giving it to God.
Why family?
Because You weren't meant tocarry what Jesus already
surrendered.
Justin, you got anything youwanna close
Justin (31:21):
with brother?
What I'd like to close with is alittle bit of housekeeping.
Guys, what we're doing here,it's not of us.
This is something that I feelGod is in.
I can feel the spirit with usnow.
And we need your support.
Now, when you hear the wordsupport, a lot of people think
money and they think, oh, heregoes two pastors.
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Next thing they're gonna passthe offer and plate all we want.
First and foremost, is for youto pray for us.
Pray for the words that wespeak, that they are God given,
and that they get to the peoplewho need to hear'em.
And second, we ask you to helpus get that to those people who
need to hear'em, right?
Because here's the thing, me andDan, we can only go so far.
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It's up to you guys, thelisteners, our family, to share
this message.
Go to Facebook, like andsubscribe.
Go to our page like it.
Leave a review, leave a comment,share it, get it out there.
And man, let God have his way.
That's all we're looking for,and that's all we want from you
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guys.
That's really all I got, Dan.
I've just been blessed to behere today doing this,
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and it's a privilege and
honor to be doing this with you,
Justin.
It's a privilege and honor to,for you listeners, to allow us
into your homes or cars or inyour ear where, however you're
listening to us.
Thank you so very much for that.
But I close with this family.
Surrender.
It isn't the end of your story.
It's the beginning of yourhealing.
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And that same God that we justtalked about who met Jesus in
the garden and gave him thestrength to walk through the
pain that God is with you rightnow in your struggle, in your
Gethsemane moment.
Stop holding the pen family andlet him write the next chapter
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for you because when you finallysay, not my will, but yours.
That's when everything startschanging.
Family.
You're not too far, you're nottoo broken.
You are loved family by the onewho surrendered everything for
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you on that cross just to bringyou back home with him.
Till next time, family stayrooted, stay recovered, and
let's get to work.
You are not just surviving.
You are becoming, becomingrooted in truth, becoming
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recovered by grace, and becomingthe person God always knew you
could be.
Thanks for joining us on Rootedin Recovered.
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Share it, live it, let it takeroot.
We'll see you next time righthere where scars become
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testimonies and hope rises fromthe ashes.