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This world doesn't hand outhealing.
It offers quick fixes, cheaphighes and empty promises, but
real recovery.
It takes roots.
Roots that dig deep into truth,into identity, into the
unshakeable grace of God.
We're not here to sugarcoat thestruggle.
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We've lived it.
Addiction, shame, relapse,regret, but we've also seen
resurrection.
We've seen what happened.
Happens when broken people getanchored in something real
rooted and recovered is morethan a podcast.
It's a battleground for thesoul.
A place where scars tellstories, where scripture speaks
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louder than shame, where freedomisn't just a word.
It's a war we win daily.
So if you're tired of surfacelevel answers, if you want truth
that convicts, hope that heals,and conversations that cut
through the noise, you're in theright place.
Welcome to Rooted and Recovered.
Dan (01:08):
Welcome to another episode
of Rooted and Recovered.
I am your host, Dan Pyles, and Iam in the studio on this,
Justin, kind of a rainy daytoday, man.
It, we have gotten so much rainin the last week or so.
Um, I'm ready for the sun toshine, but how are you doing
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today,
Justin (01:28):
brother?
Oh, I'm doing good.
Rainy days like this, it's areminder though, that without
rain there is no growth.
And sometimes it takes thatstorm to get us to grow, but.
I'm ready for a clear day too.
I gotta get my grass cut, man.
Dan (01:42):
Dude, we tried to mow the
other day and uh, actually my
son was mowing and I seen thatthe storm was coming in, so I
went out there and helped himweed eat.
And I'm telling you, the momentwe put the mower up in the
garage, like it came pouringdown.
So, um, we was able to get that,uh, done.
But guys, we got a powerfulepisode today and, uh.
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The title of this episode is SayIt Before It Owns You.
And when we look at step five,Justin, it tells us that we've
admitted to God, to ourselves,and to another human being, the
exact nature of our wrongs.
So I wanna open this podcasttoday with just a really blunt
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statement, and that is what youhide will own you.
Now think about that for just amoment, and let's be honest,
there's things that you've donethat you swore that you would
never speak out loud Again,things that make your stomach
drop when you think about'em.
But family, here's the truth, noone told you.
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Silence protects you.
Think about that for just amoment.
Here is the truth.
No one told you silence doesn'tprotect you.
In fact, you know what it does?
It imprisons you.
Silence will imprison you.
So the stuff that you refuse toconfess.
Guess what?
It doesn't die.
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What it does is it grows in thedark and it doesn't just grow
Justin.
It takes root.
It begins to shape how you seeothers, how you see yourself,
and it will make you believethat you will never be more than
your mistakes, but confession.
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Listen to me guys.
Confession.
It's not punishment, it'sjailbreak.
And step five guys is thatmoment you finally stop carrying
the weight of your secrets andsay, this is who I was, but it's
not who I am anymore.
Justin (03:55):
You know, I don't think
we understand or realize.
Like you said, the power thatsecrecy has over us, right?
When we hold onto these thingsand we're scared to let'em out,
what we're doing is we're givingthe enemy an avenue to say, ah,
they like you, but would theylike you if they know about
this?
Right?
Oh, hey Justin, remember whatyou did?
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You still ain't told nobodyabout that.
You think they'd still love youthe same if they knew about
that?
Do you think you'd still be ableto do what God wanted you to do
if you got real and raw andhonest about that?
And my sponsor, he, we've allseen the, hopefully you've all
seen the movie Eight Mile.
If you haven't, I wouldrecommend it.
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I would probably watch theversion without as much cussing
in it.
Right.
Um, but at the end of it,there's a scene with, uh,
Eminem.
Their other guy, Papa Doc, andthey're going at it and it's
Eminem and he says, Hey, let mego first.
And he stands there and hisentire freestyle rap is all the
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things about him that are wrong.
Right.
He stands there and he tellshim, yeah.
I have a friend who shot himselfin the leg.
Yeah, I was raised in a trailerpark.
Yeah, this happened.
Yeah, that happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he looks at him.
He hands him the microphone andsays, now tell'em something
about me they don't know.
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And that's what confession is.
It's so that when the enemycomes knocking and says, Hey,
remember that thing you did,what if they knew about that?
You can say they already do.
And too often confession, it'skind of a, it's kind of a dirty
word, right?
You know, oh, it's gotta besomething really wrong if
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they're confessing.
It's not just about drugs andalcohol.
It's not just about confessingthings that you've done.
What about the attitude of heartthat you felt?
What about that anger andresentment you felt towards your
mom or your dad when you waslittle?
That's what confession's about.
It's admitting like, Hey, thiswas a part of who I was, but my
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Bible says that I am a newcreation in Christ.
Dan (06:07):
Right?
Amen.
Justin (06:08):
And I'm letting that go
and to let it go.
It starts with you firstidentifying it.
Then getting it out.
Dan (06:16):
And that's the thing,
Justin, you know, something that
I was always told from my mentorearly in my recovery, it's
something that I, um, I try totell everybody now, is what you
refuse to speak will keepspeaking for you.
Justin (06:29):
Mm-hmm.
Dan (06:30):
Now let that sink in for
just a moment, what you refuse
to speak.
We'll keep speaking for youuntil you finally break the
silence.
And guys, that's where healingcomes.
Healing comes after honesty.
That's the power of confession.
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And when I think about this, I,I can't help but go to the book
of James.
James, chapter 5:16 tells us,therefore, confess your sins.
To each other and pray for eachother so that you may be healed.
the prayer of a righteous personis powerful and effective.
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Now, I wanna hit on something onthis real quick, fam, James five
16 doesn't say confess to beforgiven.
It says, confess to be healed.
And that's a big difference.
Family.
You gotta realize something.
You've already been forgiven bythe blood of Jesus.
Amen.
But some of us are stillbleeding, Justin, because we've
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never told the truth.
Why?
Because shame says if they knowthey'll leave.
Shame says if they know the realme, they won't want to talk to
me.
Shame says if they know the realperson, the real Dan the real
Justin.
They won't want nothing to dowith me, but healing says.
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I'll speak and I'll finallybreathe.
Guys, you're not confessing tobe condemned.
You're confessing to kill thelie that you have to fake it to
be loved and get this when youspeak the truth, you don't just
defeat shame family.
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You create a space for God tomove through you, not just in
you.
Justin (08:23):
It also what it does, it
forms a new connection.
Now, I'm sure you're gonna talkabout this, but who we confess
to is equally as important.
Oh,
Dan (08:33):
yeah.
Oh yeah.
Who, who
Justin (08:34):
we confess to is equally
as important as the confession
itself.
I'm not just running out andtelling my postman what I did
when I was 13 and the attitude Ihad and the bad things that I've
done, but I will tell it to abrother or sister in Christ.
I will sit there and open upwith somebody I.
Who I can trust.
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But here's the thing about it.
When I do that, not only does itbring healing into my life, it
now creates a space for God tomove in my life and in theirs,
because now I'm inviting themin.
The Bible says, bear oneanother's burdens and so fulfill
the law of Christ.
Amen.
And when I open up and gethonest, I'm giving them space to
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be used by God to help bear myburdens, but I'm also giving
them a space.
To get real, to get raw, to gethonest with me to where they can
get off of their chest, whatthey need to get off of their
chest.
we always think about it and itis for us, but it's that being
vulnerable with each other, thatreal bonds are created where
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real brotherhood
Dan (09:37):
is born.
And that's Justin.
That's the thing right there,guys.
Our confession.
Becomes someone else'sconfirmation.
That healing and freedom ispossible.
So many times, Justin, we.
Recover from some area of ourlife, from some aspect of our
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life, and we are so ashamed andstigma is attached to us so much
that we are scared to death totalk about this.
Because again, like I said justa few moments ago, if people
know the real me, then theywon't want to be around me.
They won't want to, they won'twant to talk to me.
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Guys we're talking about ifpeople know the real me, they
might not want me as theirpastor.
Come on now.
Mm-hmm.
If, if the job knows the realme, then they might not want me
working for them anymore.
If my spouse, if my girlfriendor boyfriend knew the real me.
They might not want to be withme anymore.
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So what do we do?
We closet that stuff.
We put that stuff up, and itjust It continues to grow it.
And we talked about this in thelast episode.
It continues to fester and wenever can properly heal because
we are still carrying around.
Titles that the blood of Jesusis already covered.
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Guys, again, when we'reconfessing Justin, I'm not
confessing to be, um, forgiven.
The moment I gave my heart andmy life to Jesus Christ, the
blood when he said it isfinished on that cross, it
covered my past and futuremistakes.
But what I'm confessing, whatI'm doing is I'm letting someone
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else know that recovery.
Is possible.
Mm-hmm.
Justin (11:30):
And so one of my
favorite verses in the Bible,
they overcame by the word oftheir testimony in the blood of
the lamb
Dan (11:41):
revelations.
Justin (11:43):
In order to have a
testimony, you had to be tested.
Right.
That testimony is who you were,what you've done, and the blood
of Jesus, and the sacrifice thatmade you whole and has gotten
you through those times whennothing else could.
It has changed.
One of my things that I'venoticed most is, and I thank God
for every day, and I'm grateful,is the change that he is in me
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that I couldn't make intomyself.
And we talked about that before,but it's also the people that
he's brought into my lifebecause when I sat in a room.
And I sat in my small group withthose five people and we did our
deep dive into the step study.
I sat there and I said thingsthat I had never admitted to
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another person in my life, andyou would think that these
people would go, ah, I, I can'thave nothing to do with them.
I have brothers in Christ that Inow call on and check up on and
I can reach out to for anything,and they'll be right there
because Satan likes to tell usthat it's gonna drive everybody
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away.
Dan (12:46):
Absolutely.
Justin (12:46):
The word of God says
it's gonna bring us together.
Love covers a multitude of sins,and that's the love.
It's talking about my church.
I don't, I would do a disserviceif I got up there and acted like
my past was perfect.
I'm a human being who's mademistakes.
We are human beings, and whetheryou have been saved since you
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were five, or you're just savedlast week, you're a human being
who made mistakes, who needed asavior.
We've all sinned and fall shortof the glory of God and what
confession does, it's usadmitting that and just being
honest with God, with someoneelse and with ourselves.
And I like what it says, theexact natures of our wrong.
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Too many times when we go toconfess, we wanna say, oh, I did
something bad.
Yeah, so did I.
So did everybody else.
The Bible says there's notemptation that has overtaken
you, that hasn't overtakenanybody else in this world.
What is it exactly that you'restill holding onto and you're
still hiding?
That's what God wants to healyou from.
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Talk about it, confess it, getit out, because there is a
healing that can only be foundwhen it's done through Christ.
Dan (13:58):
Amen.
And that's the thing, family,you don't confess to get
disqualified.
You confess to finally get inthe fight because there's people
out there that are waiting andneeding your testimony.
There is so many people, Justin,that are dying in silence.
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Because they're scared to deathto talk about it.
They're scared to death to bringup their past.
But you said something sopowerful, Paul said in the book
of Romans, for all have sinned.
And the last time I looked atthe word all Justin, that means
all.
Amen.
That means.
Everybody.
I know people get superspiritual and they think the
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bath water parts, when they getin it and you know that they can
turn their water at supper intowine.
But you know what, they're humanbeings too and their past
mistakes might not have beenyour mistakes, but family,
listen to me, they're sittingwith some stuff in their closet
too, uh, that they don't wantexposed.
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So I, come against that lie fromthe enemy.
Um, that tells you that your,uh, your shame and the stigma
attached to your confession isgonna disqualify you.
No, sir.
No ma'am.
Your confession is going to getyou into the fight.
But Justin, the problem is, isconfession brings so much fear
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because most of us, if we'rehonest with ourself, have only
ever known conditional
Justin (15:30):
love.
So, and I just talked about thislast Friday, and I just wanna
say this to somebody listeningtoday.
Humans love you when you're atyour best and turn their back on
you when you're at your worst.
They can love you so much oneday, and within the next five
minutes you might say somethingthat has them just, eh, don't
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know how they feel about you,but God, God is love.
I'm gonna tell you right now inthis very moment, wherever you
are, wherever you are sitting,whatever, whatever state of mind
you find yourself in, that youhave never been more loved than
you are right now.
Dan (16:13):
Amen.
Justin (16:13):
He, he cannot, and I
cannot express this enough, he
cannot love you anymore than hedoes right now.
And the thing about God is hewill not love you any less.
Like you said, it brings fear,but one verse that gives me
hope, it says, but Goddemonstrates his great love for
us.
Meaning that love that was shownon the cross is still being
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shown today.
It's still in us.
It's still showing itself, andthe fact that you're alive and
breathing, and if you havebreath in your lungs, why not
use it to praise God?
Why not use it to give glory toGod?
And do you know what confessionis?
It's giving glory to God andsaying, I know I've my sinner,
but I have a savior who knows mefully and still died on a cross.
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So who are you to judge me forit?
Because he says I'm forgiven.
Dan (17:01):
Amen.
And that's the thing rightthere, you know?
And going back to conditionallove, you know, so Justin to lie
that the enemy just pound intoour head, even society, they,
that if we tell the truth.
The people's gonna walk out onus.
But family real healing happenswhen you tell someone the worst
part of your story and theystay.
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Now, Justin said this just a fewmoments ago.
You gotta be careful who youtell your story to because you
know, we live in a society fullof megaphones.
That just love to take yourstory and go out there and
broadcast it.
And they love to add a lot ofaction words, a lot of adverbs
and, and all.
Then I'm not trying to give usan English lesson, but they'll
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take something you've said andby the time that they're done
with it, they've added moreadverbs and actions and, and
nouns and pronouns and all thisstuff in there.
Don't.
Tell your story to those typesof clowns, Justin.
Find somebody that is rooted inChrist that will look you dead
in the face and say, man, yeah,that's tough.
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But man, thank God his grace andhis mercies are new every single
morning.
See Justin, that moment changeseverything.
Why?
Because when you experiencegrace.
In the presence of your deepesttruth, you finally understand
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what the gospel truly is becauseJesus bro, like you said, while
we were still sinners,
Justin (18:32):
It didn't say while we
were done sinning,
Dan (18:34):
while we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.
This is where recovery shiftsfamily from behavior management.
To soul transformation.
It's where your story stopsbeing a source of shame and
becomes a weapon against it.
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And I like what you
said, it's a weapon against it,
like I talked about earlier.
Now when Satan comes knocking,you can say, I've already said
it.
And the people you said, whowould leave haven't Jesus the
holiest, one of all, you thinkabout the woman.
When everybody was ready tostone her.
One of my favorite parts is shelooks at him and he just goes,
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are, there's no one here tocondemn you?
Then neither do I.
Here's the thing, if you getreal, if you get raw, if you get
honest with Jesus, he's gonnaget real.
He's gonna get raw, and he'sgonna get honest with you.
I'm not gonna tell you that he'snot gonna make, you're not gonna
pay consequences for what you'vedone.
Make no mistake about it.
You are forgiven.
You are healed, but you stillhave to.
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That's what I tell everybody.
My recovery is from a lifetimeof bad decisions and the
consequences I face.
Amen.
Now, but spiritually.
I can sleep at night for so longbefore I tried to try and think
of how I could keep up the lie.
What does this person know aboutme?
What does that person know aboutme?
Did they figure this out?
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Do I need to worry about it?
They're gonna ask me about it.
But when I just startedconfessing and getting real, and
getting raw and getting honest,I was able to lay my head on a
pillow at night and not have toworry about what was said.
Because what was said was thetruth.
Because, let me tell yousomething, when we hold onto it.
It eats away at us.
It
Dan (20:19):
sure does, man.
Justin (20:20):
Spiritually, it's like
you just got a choke hold on
your own soul.
And that's what Satan wantsbecause he has no part in it.
He's watching you do it toyourself.
Mm-hmm.
When you refuse to confess, andwe're gonna look at a scripture
with David, he thought he couldget away with it for over a
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year.
He hid his best friend.
He, he lusted after a woman.
He manipulated his best friend.
He hid the truth.
There was murder involved.
Now guys, thi this was a manafter God's own heart.
This was a man who God sent tobe king, and he even says, it's
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destroying me inside.
But when he was presented withthe opportunity to confess, what
did he do?
Dan?
Dan (21:12):
And I love this story,
Justin, because.
like you said, David dideverything wrong.
When you look and I encourageyou, I mean, there's a lot of
scripture, so I encourage you togo to, second Samuel, chapter
12.
and just read that.
You'll read David did everythingwrong.
Justin.
There was lust, there wasmanipulation, there was murder,
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and he thought he could move onwithout ever facing it, but
here's what God will do.
God sent the prophet Nathan notto destroy him, but to deliver
him.
And God will do that to you too.
God will send people in yourlife not, not to destroy you,
but to help deliver you.
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And as you read thesescriptures, Nathan didn't shout.
He told a story and, and thatstory reached into David's soul.
And then when boldness.
Nathan looked David in the eyesand said, you are the man.
And at that moment, David didn'tdeny.
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He didn't justify, he didn't tryto deflect like we try to do
when somebody, um, tries to comeat us.
He said, I have sinned againstthe Lord.
And that confession, Justindidn't just change David, it
saved him.
And that's where Psalms 51 wasborn created me.
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A clean heart, oh God, and renewthe right spirit within me.
Family confession is thecatalyst.
Everything else flows fromthere, you see?
'cause David stayed King family,not because he was perfect, but
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Justin, it was because he waswilling to be honest.
Justin (23:04):
And once again, and we
can't stress this enough.
Look at who he confessed to.
It was before God, and it wasbefore Nathan.
It was a man that David trusted.
That's why when you get to thisstep, we always, if you're in a
12 step group, it's encouragedto have accountability partners,
but also have a sponsor.
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Have somebody that you trustthat's been walking with the
Lord.
Have somebody who's a mentor toyou who can look at you and
gently remind you, Hey, you'renot where you need to be.
Because there's people in mylife, I've got accountability
partners that when I just needto get something off of my
chest, I can go and they'll say,oh, okay, that's cool.
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And then I've got that man in mylife, that buddy of mine, that
brother in Christ of mine, thatwhen I sit down with him and I
say Everything's fine, he'slooking at me and saying, is
that your generic go-to answer?
Are you gonna get real with meright now?
Because we both know it's not.
And there's something about thatbecause in that moment I
understand, like you mightthink, well, that's kind of
rough.
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No, it's because he cares aboutme.
It's because he cares about mysoul.
We need to make sure that we areputting people in our lives, and
we're gonna talk about thislater with sponsor, but we need
to make sure,'cause that's whatNathan was to me.
But you need to make sure youhave people in your life that
you can trust to tell thesethings to.
'cause like Dan says, there'sthree ways to tell people,
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telephone, television, and tellthe wrong friend.
Dan (24:33):
Well, you ain't kidding,
man.
And that's the thing, again,with Nathan, he was godly, he
was a prophet family, so thiswas a godly person.
So I'm encourage you.
As you get into this part ofyour recovery journey and you
getting into that to whereyou're we're starting to
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confessing the wrongs that wedid, be careful.
Don't just find an average Joeon the street.
I gotta do step five.
Lemme talk to you for a moment.
'cause you might be talking to amegaphone.
You might be talking to somebodythat's gonna blow it outta
proportion.
Find you a godly person that youcan tell your story to, and they
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don't run away.
They don't flinch, they stay.
And then you get to feel whatgrace was like when Jesus.
Knowing all of our sins, knowingeverything that we'd done, loved
us enough, still, Justin, thathe died on the cross for us,
Justin (25:37):
Create me a clean heart.
Oh God, renew a right spiritwithin me.
That is what confession issaying.
God, there's stuff wrongbrother.
Sister, there's stuff wrong.
And look, you might be thinking,yeah, but you don't know what
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I've done.
You're right.
I don't.
But I know somebody who does.
And like Dan said, and I'vesaid, and we can't stress it
enough, and carried across thecalvary willingly for the joy
that was set before him.
Well, that joy was yourforgiveness.
Yep.
That joy was your healing.
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You're robbing yourself of thehealing that can come with
confession when you just refuseto.
I know you might be scared, likeDan said, confession brings
fear, but in the uncomfortable,you will find a healing that you
have never known, and it startswith confession.
It starts with just being honestwith somebody.
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You know?
For me, for a long time, I hadrelationships in my life that
were built upon lies.
They were built upon secrecy.
They were built upon.
Oh yeah.
You know, it wasn't that bad.
But then I met, my wife and Idecided to do things the way God
wanted me to do'em.
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And I started getting real.
I started getting raw.
I started getting honest, and Itold her things in the
beginning.
I didn't wait until we was ayear married, like we're getting
ready to be, to start tellingher these things.
Dan (27:12):
Congratulations.
Justin (27:12):
Thank you.
It was, uh, 10 months.
Saturday.
Dan (27:16):
That's cool.
Justin (27:17):
Yeah, so we're coming up
on that.
By the way, July 3rd was day wegot married that way.
When I started seeing fireworkstands, I know something's going
on.
Just a quick reminder to myself.
A great reminder.
Yes.
Um, but it was in the monthsthat we first started dating
that I decided to get real.
And it's because I didn't wantto have Satan holding that over
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my shoulder months later saying,yeah, but if she knew this,
she'd leave.
And do you know what?
I knew she was a woman of God.
Like Dan said, when I got real,when I got honest, I saw that
grace of God that says, yeah,but that's not who you are.
I love who you are now.
I love you in spite of that.
And that's the same thing Jesusis saying to you today, and
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that's the same thing He wantsto use somebody else in your
life to say to you is that youwere loved.
Find that healing.
Just get real, get raw, gethonest, find somebody you trust
and watch God work through that.
Dan (28:15):
So, very good.
And as we get ready to wrap thispodcast up, family, let's stop
pretending.
Let's be honest, man, you, youknow what you've done.
You know the stuff that thatstill clings to your conscious.
You know what?
And maybe you confessed it toGod, but have you admitted it to
yourself?
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Have you said it out loud infront of another soul, not just
what you did, but family.
I'm talking about the exactnature of it, how it made you
feel, what it cost you, who ithurt, what it revealed about
your heart.
You see, this is where step fivehits different step five.
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It's not vague, it's not safe.
It's just raw truth because thereal, you can't be healed if you
keep hiding behind the image ofsomeone who's already got it all
together.
Let that sink in for just amoment.
Justin (29:17):
There's a story, and
this'll be what I'm gonna end
with Dan.
There's a story in the Biblewhere Jesus is in the synagogue
and there's a man with thewithered hands.
And he asked the Pharisees, isit, is it lawful for me to heal
on the Sabbath?
Is it lawful for me to helpsomeone on the Sabbath?
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And they refused.
And so what does Jesus say?
Give me your hand.
And the man reaches out aswithered hand and it's healed.
But what the Pharisees failed torealize is Jesus was asking them
to hand over their witheredhearts.
That's what he's telling youtoday.
Hand over that withered heart,that hardness that you have.
Give it to him and let himcreate new you a new heart.
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Quit trying to hide behind thislie that you've got it all
figured out and that nothing inyour life has been wrong.
Find somebody you can trust.
Find a godly person in your lifeand just sit down and ask them,
Hey, is it okay if I tell youthese things and let Jesus heal?
That part of you.
That you never thought he could?
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It's when I started gettingreal.
It's when I started confessingto others that I seen that God
loved that broken part of me.
And it's only through his lovethat that gets fixed.
It's through his love that thatgets healed and it's through
other people that he shows thatlove.
Dan (30:41):
So good family.
You can't be restored untilyou're willing to be revealed.
And this is it.
This is the step where freedomstarts to feel real.
Not when you clean yourself up,but when you say, here's what
I've done.
Here's what I've hidden, andhere is what I'm giving to God.
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Don't wait until it's easy,'cause guess what?
It won't be.
Say it.
Anyways, family.
Until next time, I want you tostay rooted.
We want you to stay recovered,and more importantly, let's get
to work.
You are not just surviving.
You are becoming, becomingrooted in truth, becoming
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recovered by grace, and becomingthe person God always knew you
could be.
Thanks for joining us on Rootedin Recovered.
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Share it, live it, let it takeroot.
We'll see you next time righthere where scars become
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testimonies and hope rises fromthe ashes.