November 11, 2025 • 39 mins
What does it look like to support & move your body with intention instead of obligation?
In this episode, we're exploring physical wellness through a holistic lens—one that honors the profound connection between one's physical health/body, movement, mindfulness, and overall wellbeing. Special guest Kelly Hall, our COO and owner of Onyx Yoga, joins the conversation to share her journey to intentional living and how she's brought that philosophy to Into the Woods Wellness.
This isn't about hitting the gym harder or tracking every step. It's about understanding how movement acts as medicine for your entire system—boosting immune function, improving sleep, supporting hormone balance, and even slowing cellular aging. It's about being present in your body and giving yourself permission to adapt based on your energy, your needs, and your life circumstances.
As we head into the holiday season, this episode also offers practical strategies for staying well without the pressure of perfection. Explore ways to shift mindsets around physical health and exercise, and more.
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📞 Call 920-904-8128
📍 1424 Lynn Ave, Fond du Lac, WI
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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
In this episode, we explore physical wellness
(00:02):
through the Into the Woods lenswith special guest Kelly Hall,
discovering how movement trulyis medicine for the whole
person, mind, body, and soul.
Welcome to Rooted in Rising, apodcast by Into the Woods
Wellness.
I'm Caitlin Keneally, coming toyou from our nature-inspired
(00:23):
sanctuary in Fond du Lac,Wisconsin.
Grab your tea, get comfortable,and let's dive into real talk
that empowers your healingjourney.
We're back.
Welcome back.
I am Caitlin Keneally, and Ihave the privilege of being with
Jenny and our COO, Kelly.
(00:46):
Woo! Welcome, Kelly.
Thank you.
This is her first podcast,Jenny.
Oh, we got another newbie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (00:53):
All right.
Yeah, they're all a littlenervous, but I think they're in
good company.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Oh, yeah.
This is a this is a piece ofcake.
SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
Just a conversation.
Just a combo.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
It happens to be recorded.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05):
I'm super excited to talk today because we're going
to be focusing on the physicalcomponent of our full wheel of
wellness.
So some mindfulness, movement,different things.
And it's really important.
And I think part of what sets usapart into the woods is that we
have that full wheel.
We're kind of that one-stopshop.
(01:25):
And the physical component is akey part of that.
So I'm glad we're discussing ittoday.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Yeah.
And I'm super excited to dive inbecause I think, you know,
society just puts so much on us,the culture around, or the
mindset perhaps, maybe aroundphysical wellness, right?
And what that means or what ittakes to be physically fit,
right?
Right.
And in bunny quotes, perhaps.
So I'm excited to hear the intothe woods lens around that.
(01:54):
But before we jump into that,what does a COO do, chief
operating officer, for thosethat are listening?
What does that mean?
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
So, well, I do all of the things.
So I you will see me sometimesat the front desk or answering
phones, but overall I supportevery employee at Into the
Woods.
Um, I help break down structuresand really dig into the
operations piece of things.
Also looking at overallfinancial pictures and all of
the things is how I can explaina chief operating officer.
SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
All right, whatever it takes, it sounds like.
Yeah.
Well, I get to focus on thevision and the strategy and
different things.
So it's it's definitely a nicecompliment, I would say.
Um, the pieces that I can't getto, right?
Because I also have that, butthen I also have the mental
health department and still am apsychotherapist that is actively
seeing people.
(02:46):
So it feels like a goodcompliment to have Kelly to be
able to fill those roles and towork with each other on that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
So a bit more of the business side, but what I love,
and Kelly, we're just startingto get to know each other a bit,
but looking at your bio, I don'tfeel like you fit the typical
business mold.
Yoga instructor, right, Reiki,mindfulness, meaning life
coaching.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Life coaching, yeah, you name it, I do it.
So C-O-O slash mindful livingcoach.
I literally do all the things.
Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Well, we're gonna dive a little bit more into you,
but before we do that, let's doa little bit of a warm-up.
If that wasn't a warm-up enough,okay.
This is episode three, but we'vebeen having a little bit, a
little bit of fun with awellness, this or that.
And in my mind, it's a goodopportunity for the listeners to
kind of check in with themselvestoo.
We we want you answering thesequestions right along with us,
right?
What feels right to you?
So morning workout or eveningmovement?
(03:42):
Morning, morning workout.
Yeah, I'm the same.
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
Solo sweat or workout buddy.
Workout buddy.
I always need that body double.
SPEAKER_01 (03:51):
I'm a solo sweat workout in the morning, get it
done.
However, I do haveaccountability partners.
There's some Snapchat, somebesties in the morning saying I
completed my workout.
SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
Love it.
She has a whole room to herselfin her house.
Yes.
I've been there, and you couldeat off her um floor.
I said that advise that.
Yeah.
Well, Mrs.
Gadlin and I'm I feel fine, evenin their garage.
Like, I'm not even joking.
I thought I felt dirty when Ileft.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
I was like, We hung her down before she came in the
house.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
I was like, uh yikes.
Moving along.
Don't come to my house, but I'mnot even having them over.
I was like, they'll be judging,they'll be like dust everywhere.
We talked about how we'll do ourwork Christmas, but we're gonna
do it in January.
And I was like, Oh, we can do itin my basement.
(04:42):
I was like, we'll be able to eatoff the floor, everybody.
We'll clean up after you asyou're there.
SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
Yeah, that's great.
All right, structured fitnessplan or intuitive movement.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Structured.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
I like I like to go YOLO on that, whatever I want to
do.
Yeah, that's perfect.
I feel like I'm a bit of both.
I need some structure or a plan.
SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
I like plan.
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
And then before, well, actually, I was just
talking to my brother about thisduring the rest break.
Then if there's a good tuna,I'll go a little bit intuitive
movement and just do whatever.
But yeah, it depends.
SPEAKER_02 (05:18):
Sometimes I just want to lay on the floor on my
yoga mat.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
That works, which by the way, counts as yoga.
Good shavasana.
SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
I'm just gonna lay here.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
Love it.
Indoor sauna session or outdoorcold plunge?
Sauna.
Well, neither, but I that'sright.
I forgot.
SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, but so if I had to, I guess, and I can't
swim, so you know, I'd probablyhave to do the sauna if I have
to pick one.
SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
Okay.
You know, I've done the sauna,I've done a cold plunge once,
but I feel like I'd do a coldplunge again getting into the
season of snow.
Like that would like justrunning and jumping into a snow
bank would be a hell of a coldplunge, too.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Yeah, and I I hear it gives you good benefits, but
there's no way it sounds liketorture to me.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
I have to play with it more, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Well, for those of you that like it, feel free to
comment and tell us about whatyou get out of it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Yeah, we'll maybe learn more about that.
All right, tracking steps ormetrics or listening to your
body.
Listening to my body.
Listening.
Perfect.
Rest day.
Is it a complete rest or agentle stretch?
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
A stretch?
Either or.
Some days I just take a breakand some days I need to stretch
it out, and that's that's why Ihave a rest, you know, the day
after leg day.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
Yeah, there you go.
We need it.
Holiday season.
Obviously, it's coming up.
Do you want to maintain yourroutine or do you go with the
flow and just see how you feel?
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Maintain.
Especially during the holidays.
SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
Probably see how I feel.
I'm the same.
SPEAKER_01 (06:54):
Sometimes I love food and I know I have to offset
that with my I probably shouldmaintain routine.
SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
Yeah.
I can help with that.
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
I take a few breaks.
SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
We need some accountability, Kelly.
I can help with that.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, that was that fun.
Let's dive into a little bitmore about Kelly, just because
this is your first podcast andyour first time on the Rooted
and Rising Wellness Podcast.
So, what brought you to into thewoods?
I know you've got a backgroundin a little bit more of the
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workplace corporate setting,banking, retail, but what was
your path here?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
25 plus years of leadership, but also my quote
unquote yoga journey we'll callit a self-development phase that
began over 15 years ago.
So you do your first yoga classand then you get hooked.
Well, you either love it or youdon't.
So I loved it.
(07:52):
I got hooked, and it takes youdown a rabbit hole of wellness.
So started with the yoga, thendid yoga teacher training, then
taught yoga classes, then owneda studio here in Fond du Lac
with a few other of my friends,which then I was able to absorb
into into the woods wellness.
(08:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:15):
She just didn't want to leave me.
Yeah, so that's really what itwas.
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
Throughout the journey, we did we did
collaborate on a few things.
We, you know, started to uhencompass the whole body person
again with mental health andphysical and we started to bring
in the nutrition piece.
And Katie and I had actuallytalked once a couple episodes
ago.
She talked about her dream.
So I was brought into the dreamand we did talk.
(08:42):
It's been years in the making onhow do we collaborate and make
this happen.
And everything happens for areason.
So I think the universe kind oftook it slow for all of us.
So, you know, introducing Katieinto my life and then Caitlin
into my life, and then justsomehow we all came together to
create the big dream.
SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We just have to trust theprocess sometimes, even though
the the timeline might not beexact we're gonna hope for or
the exact pathway, right?
Yeah, love it.
So I think it's in your bio, butI'm not quite sure.
This idea of intentional living.
(09:19):
Tell the listeners a little bitabout that.
Well, tell me a little bit moreabout that, because I don't I
need to know more.
I mean, I get the idea ofintentionality, right?
Being intentional, but what doesthat mean to you?
SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
So throughout my journey, I realized that you
know, humans automatically inlife wake up, do their routine,
go to sleep, wake up, do theirroutine.
It's like we're on autopilot.
Yeah.
And you don't see that until yougain a little bit of awareness.
(09:51):
So again, starting yoga,connecting the mind, the body,
the breath.
It opens windows to seeingthings that you didn't see
before.
It makes you become present.
And I think you suddenly, oh, Ihave feelings, and oh, other
people have feelings.
And what am I doing in my lifebesides waking up, working,
(10:15):
eating dinner, and going tosleep?
You know, so just all thesedifferent windows and doors
start to open.
So intentional living to me iswaking up, having a purpose, and
my purpose and drive in my wholelife, I feel like, but you know,
you don't know until you startcracking windows, has been
helping people, making them feelbetter physically, mentally,
emotionally, all of thosethings.
(10:36):
So it came into play withleadership over the years.
Leadership is a learnedexperience.
This is not something that youcan be taught and then just jump
into it.
It's difficult, it's very true.
Learn as you go.
You learn as you go, you fall,you hurt, you cry, you go
through all of these crazythings and leadership and being
(10:57):
intentional and reallyconnecting with people makes
leadership more rewarding, Ithink.
And that was something thathelped me develop those skills
with that intentional livingpeace.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Yeah.
And I think there's so many wayswe can lead, right?
We don't have to be talking justthe typical workplace setting,
right?
We lead our families, we lead inyou know our various community
circle and friend circles,right?
SPEAKER_02 (11:22):
And I would be your best friend.
There you go.
Yeah.
I mean, it is that's a skill setthat I don't have, but yeah,
yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
And I love that idea that you're I mean, it's so
fitting into the into the woodsmindset and approach that, but
how you speak to intentionalliving, it's yeah, uh open that
window, it's a breath of freshair.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Right, right.
And that it's interesting thatyou said that about parenting,
like you're stressed in life.
You don't realize how much youcarry around, and then your
emotions react, and then youdon't, I don't know, looking
back, me personally, like youdon't parent the best that you
could have.
Had I had I parented then, likewith what I know now, I probably
would have been different.
(12:04):
But really creating thatawareness and starting to look
into things like therapy,reading books that are self-help
books and developing yourself,all those things help with that
intentionality, gives you littletips and tricks to take away and
put into life.
SPEAKER_02 (12:19):
Love it.
Kelly got to read my secondbook.
Ooh, I'm slacking.
I haven't had a chance to that'sall right.
I will.
Yeah, but I think the thatintentional piece too,
obviously, from a clinicalperspective, using cognitive
behavioral therapy or or DBT, sodialectical behavioral therapy
is about mindfulness and beingpresent, right?
And as a trauma therapist, it'svery hard for people to connect
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to the body, it doesn't feelsafe, right?
SPEAKER_03 (12:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
And so uh and I still think, and again, you guys
can say yes or no, but thatpeople think that like breath
work or mindfulness is still haslike a stigma attached, yeah,
yeah, hokey.
I don't know what how I don'tknow what the right word is.
Woo woo.
I feel like yeah, all right,that's that's good.
But truthfully, we know that thetrends are changing, but we need
to wrap our head around thatit's all important, right?
(13:07):
And if we can, you know, thatemotional regulation piece,
because that's what it is.
And so, especially from a traumalens, when you can learn how to
regulate yourself, then you canstart to do those other things,
right?
Being mindful, intentional.
And it starts with breathing,and it's like, oh, did I breathe
(13:29):
today?
Like sometimes I have to askmyself that, right?
Because I very much get onautopilot, like go.
SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
Well, and you're breathing, but I think that
again, that intentionality intoare your breaths shallow and
short, or are you like reallytaking deep breathing breaths?
Breathing in, feeling yourlungs, like oh, it feels
different.
SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
When Caitlin and I actually started our little
journey together, I took atraining in trauma-informed
yoga, and that's another thingwith intentionality.
So you go through all thesethings in life, and it could be
traumas, and trauma is anythingfrom something emotionally
damaging to somethingcatastrophic.
SPEAKER_02 (14:07):
Trauma is anything that dysregulates your nervous
system.
That's what my whole second bookis also about.
SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
Yeah, selfless plug.
Well, selfless sure, sure.
But as you guys started talkingabout it, I feel like some
people might think, oh, I don'thave trauma, right?
Right.
I mean, I used to be there too.
I I used to not talk a lot aboutjust things that I've
experienced, whether it'spresent or past, because it's
like, well, you know, it's notthat big of a deal, right?
(14:34):
But we all carry things, right?
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
Our bodies especially carry and it creates
how you react to things in theworld.
And those are autopilotreactions that might not come
off as good to other people.
You might come off as hurtful ormy favorite thing was I was very
sassy and I would say things topeople that were just mean, and
I would think, Oh, I'm justkidding, when actually it was
(14:59):
hurtful.
So, I mean, not only does itcreate your reactions to things
in life, but it also you storeit in your body.
So those traumas are trappedsometimes in your hips and you
know, wherever you're holdingit, and it can create your
shoulders, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, not just tensionand pain, but absolutely chronic
conditions, yeah.
Chronic sarcasm.
Yeah, which isn't always good.
SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
That's fair, it happens, it happens for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
Awareness, right?
Right.
Awesome.
Well, this is a perfecttransition into the core of what
we wanted to talk about, whichis that mind-body connection as
it pertains to physical wellnessand really how physical
movement, right, whether it'syoga, going for a walk, can be
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medicine for your mental healthand beyond, right?
There's a lot of science aboutit, and I'm not a scientist by
any means.
I'm the creative, right-brainedperson.
But because I was curious, and Iknow this, but for those of you
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listening that might be a bitskeptical, there's solid
statistics out there.
And I I went to my trusteefriend Google, and there are
legitimate, you know, studies,yeah, right, that say people who
exercise, and let's I I feellike we need to come around to
this word exercise.
People who move regularly fallasleep 55% faster and sleep
(16:38):
eight percent longer.
I feel like there's probably aquality of sleep tied to that
too, right?
Just one 20-minute walk canboost immune function for
several hours and improvecognitive function for two
hours.
Regular movement can slowcellular aging.
Regular movement reduces chronicdisease, and there's percentages
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and studies behind that.
I'm not gonna dive into that.
And even physical activitymovement improves gut biome
diversity as well.
There's so many benefits.
Not only are there thesebenefits, but it feels good too.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (17:17):
Well, I mean, that's the whole point of prevention,
right?
And we and our currenthealthcare system, I'll get on
my soapbox here.
They they want tocompartmentalize and put each
one into a box when in truthit's a circle and it's all of
it.
And you don't have to be perfectat all of it, right?
But you can start with whatfeels good.
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So for some people, it might betherapy because that's like the
they might be up here, but thenit's going to transition into
something else and somethingelse.
And so that's been the coolthing, at least for me as a
clinician, coming on board andthen watching my patients
assimilate or find a pathwayhere and really incorporate that
full wheel because it is allconnected, it's not just one or
(18:02):
the other.
So yeah, I I feel like we're upagainst astronomical odds when
it comes to that.
But the more conversations wehave around it, the more we move
towards prevention, thehealthier we would be.
SPEAKER_01 (18:16):
Yeah.
And when you think about ourpillars, one of them being
movement, it creates endorphins,right?
So that's like the mood boostingfeel-good chemical.
It can declutter your mind,reduce anxiety, reduce stress.
So movement being one of thosepillars is incredibly important.
(18:37):
But that being said, I don'tlike running, right?
So if I'm not a runner, well,then I have to find something
that I do enjoy because move itor lose it, right?
So, like you have to keepmoving.
So if you think about that, uhobviously yoga is offered here.
We also have some other movementclasses.
I am certified too in somethingcalled foundation training.
(18:58):
Okay.
That's more of a spine health,like if you suffer from chronic
back pain, sure can help you outof it, or you can utilize it to
become preventative so that yourcore is strong and you can stay
upright and walk well into your80s and 90s, you know,
cane-free, wheelchair-free.
But that's where I say move itor lose it.
So maybe it is a brisk walk toclear your mind, or even sitting
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in a chair and stretching, youknow, lengthening out the spine,
taking those full breathsinstead of the shallow breaths
that you mentioned earlier.
Weight training, resistancebands.
I mean, you name it, there is somuch out there, but you have to
explore it and decide what do Ienjoy?
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
Yeah.
And I think it can be veryoverwhelming to think about some
of those pieces and then havingto hold yourself accountable,
right?
And it's very similar again tothe therapy process as well,
just a different avenue.
But I think it can beoverwhelming because there is a
perception of what it's supposedto be, yeah.
Instead of listening toyourself, and what do you want
(20:02):
that to be and what feels goodto you?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
What's supporting your body, but also not torture,
right?
Like movement doesn't have to betorture, exercise, whatever.
So just redefining that foryourself.
SPEAKER_02 (20:17):
Yeah.
I think there's still this bigthing around the physical
appearance, right?
But that doesn't have to be.
It's what if you feel good aboutyourself, heck yeah, right?
But how can you incorporate someof these things to make you
healthier, live longer, havemore energy?
You know, I like to frame it inthat context to try to make it
(20:38):
not so overwhelming for people.
SPEAKER_00 (20:39):
Understanding the why is important, yeah.
And yeah, it can be the both andlike obviously having more
energy, right?
The longevity.
Yeah.
And and if people are lookingfor the physical that usually
will follow in some form.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Which is why I think again, what we do here is
amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
Yeah, the integrated.
Yep.
Right.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
And you get to pick your path, and we just kind of
get to be along for the journey,obviously, giving
recommendations.
Here's this, we've seen this,right?
But you know, we really focus onwhat the client wants and then
help them along that pathway.
So that's something I'm veryproud of that we've been doing.
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Yeah.
I know in I think it's episodeone, Katie did say obviously
there was a lot with thenutrition and the physical
support around the personalizedwellness programs.
A huge piece of bringing Caitlinon board was because people were
struggling with that emotionalpiece.
You know, once you start gettinginto just your patterns, your
(21:39):
habits, kind of breaking downthat autopilot, right?
Like there are reasons why wethink and feel the what we're
feeling.
It's again all correlated, it'sall connected.
So, what else might youhighlight about that mind-body
connection before we move on?
SPEAKER_01 (21:55):
Well, I think we touched on some of it.
Let's break it down.
So there's this or that, right?
So you're, and these are theextremes.
So you're either sitting on yourcouch, eating unhealthy foods,
staring at the TV from the timeyou get home from work, let's
say, until you go to bed.
Do that and write down how do Ifeel?
What's stiff?
(22:15):
So physically, mentally, andemotionally, how do I feel?
Let's go to the next extreme.
So, like, let's say you get upand work out in the morning, go
to work, eat healthy foods allday, come home, have a nice
healthy meal with your family,and then you go for a walk after
dinner, and then you come homeand you stretch out while you
watch your show, and then you goto bed, and then journal how do
(22:36):
you feel?
Those are the two extremes, andthere is an in-between there.
Absolutely.
So it's not this or that, butyou know, just for discussion's
sake, creating that awarenessaround how you feel.
Did I move?
Did I feel myself in a positiveway?
How does that impact mephysically, mentally,
(22:57):
emotionally?
SPEAKER_02 (22:58):
Yeah.
And I also think that even justlike if with therapy alone, you
typically don't reach out untilit gets bad, right?
Whether it's our nursingdepartment, maybe something's
going on, you know what I mean,when it's physical.
So if we can reframe andunderstand how it is all
connected, that it is one wheel,right?
No matter where you start,whatever your entry point is,
that's okay.
(23:20):
But that it is all connected.
And the more we can move in thatdirection and highlight that,
the better it will be for futuregenerations as well, so that we
can model some of those things.
So that's what I would say isthat it really is all connected
and don't wait until it gets toobad.
Or if it is bad, don't thenreach out.
unknown (23:40):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:42):
So knowing how we started the episode with the
this or that and the last onearound holidays, and knowing
that holidays can be wonderful,but they can also be stressful.
Yep.
Lots of different gatherings,that just the the stress of
hosting or shopping or whatever.
And and even if you don't havethat, the routines change,
(24:03):
right?
There's food, there's drink,there's all of the merry things.
Grief.
And there's yeah, and there'sthe emotional stuff that that
whether past, present, you know,future, whatever, like that that
brings a lot into the picture.
So there's a lot that can impactthe holidays.
(24:25):
So, what might be some realisticstrategies for supporting
mind-body into the holidayseason?
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
Yeah.
I think a lot about resilience,right?
And listening to yourself.
Having escape plans, as I liketo say, right?
Escape plans?
Tell me more.
Um, you're you're going in andyou're gonna be there for an
hour or it's two hours.
You have those boundaries setinto place.
You've already given yourself.
So if you still have that needto go.
So a lot of times, I mean, theholidays are probably my biggest
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time of year of working withpeople.
So, really, again, a lot ofthose DBT skills, CBT skills,
bringing it present moments, andthat we don't have to engage in
everything, right?
It's okay to kind of have someof those boundaries.
SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
FOMO is real and maybe let explore flipping it.
I've done this.
What is um is it Jomo?
Joy Joy of Missing Out.
Oh, have you heard of that one?
It's harder.
SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
Okay, but you know, yeah, uh just flipping it,
flipping the script and seeing,you know, and I think you just
have to be more aware of thestress because it's financial
stress too for people.
It's this, it's that familytriggers, yes, you know, it's
everything under the sun.
Yeah.
So the more you can take care ofyourself and know what those are
going into it.
(25:42):
I mean, that's my best advicefor on the holidays.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
Yeah, I think going back to that autopilot thing.
So every year we as humanstypically tend to have
traditions.
Like every year we go to mom'shouse on this day, and the same
people are there and it's thefood.
And I think you get anautopilot.
So think about the hosts of theholiday.
Like, I have to buy all this andget all this ready and clean and
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prep.
And so they're an autopilot,automatic stress mode, right?
So thinking intentionally aboutwhat you're doing in the
holidays, make a list, but alsopencil in okay, I'm gonna go to
the grocery store and get allthis stuff, but I'm gonna
mindfully grocery shop.
So, like, I'm gonna slow itdown.
Maybe I see people I know and Iallow myself a second to chat.
(26:24):
You know, that speed shoppingstressor is is like what kicks
it off.
Then you're in the kitchen andyou're frantically doing things.
I know I used to chop the crapout of my vegetables and I
wouldn't even be thinking aboutit because everything had to be
fast.
But mindfully preparing thosemeals, so thinking about it,
maybe saying, Oh, I what doesthis smell like as I'm cutting
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it, or what's my you know,bringing mindfulness into
everything and then fast forwardto the day.
So everybody's there.
Well, I know when I in the pasthosted, I was worried about
preparing, cooking, cleaning.
And when everyone was there, Iwas in the behind the scenes
thing and I wasn't even joiningin on the holiday spirit of
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things.
I was cleaning up after thingsand making sure everything was
perfect.
So again, a whole notherepisode.
Like I said, you could eat offher floor and maybe maybe that's
still an issue.
SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
Yeah, let's not let's not allow it.
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Caitlin and Kelly are gonna schedule a session
after this.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
We can do a live podcast session.
Yeah, fair.
I'll teach her uh some skillsright on the spot.
SPEAKER_01 (27:37):
So yeah, bringing intentionality into the whole
thing and being okay with takinga break and what thinking about
movement during the holidayseason.
So in Wisconsin, where we are,it's cold, right?
So it's hard to get outside.
But saying, okay, I'm gonna gofor a hike.
If we happen to have snow thisholiday season, snowshoeing,
skiing, a workout can be takingthe kids or the grandkids.
(28:00):
Let's walk up a sledding hilland sled back down.
Like that's movement.
So again, movement doesn't haveto be torturous exercise, it can
also involve some fun.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
Love that.
And I I appreciate how breakdown mindfulness in the everyday
things, whether you're preppingfor hosting or making yourself
breakfast, right?
It's just that kind of comingback to your senses.
What do you hear?
What do you smell?
What do you taste?
SPEAKER_01 (28:30):
And that's all that's mindfulness.
Like we do mindfulnessmeditations all the time where
you do stop and you observe allof those senses, and it it
really just brings you back toyour body, brings you back into
the present moment, slows down.
SPEAKER_02 (28:44):
And give yourself grace.
And I just feel like grace andgratitude are are the biggest
pieces.
People get very excited.
And I have a patient um that islike, I know I have this
expectation that it's gonna bethis, but the reality is it
always turns this way.
So why don't we focus on thereality, right?
And be mindful and present andfind those moments instead of a
(29:05):
expectation of a hallmark movie.
So that piece, and then justalso being grateful, right?
That maybe you can afford thosethings and that you do get this
time to be with your family,whether it's good, bad, or ugly,
you know, whatever that lookslike.
But so I think that those areimportant too.
Yeah, and yeah, it give yourselfgrace to know that it's a lot of
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dynamics that happen around theholidays.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Is there anything such as perfect?
I don't know, I don't think so.
No, we live in this, you know,sometimes illusion of of in
pursuit of that.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:41):
Well, that's what I think happens with the physical
piece too.
Yeah, that's that that's where Ithink people halt themselves
instead of just realizing itcould just be three days a week
that you go for a little walk oryou run around your house, or
whatever that looks like.
SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
You don't have to be a marathon runner or uh champion
bodybuilder, correct?
SPEAKER_02 (29:59):
That's so I Think that that's what stops people,
right?
And I think that that's the samewhen it comes to mental health
or nutrition, you know what Imean?
All or nothing.
Get rid of that mentality, itdoesn't have to be that way.
And it's difficult, but healingis in the gray, and that's the
piece that's leaning into thatuncomfortableness.
SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Awesome.
So if someone is looking foradditional support, whether it's
through the holidays orotherwise, to support that
mind-body connection, what wouldyou highlight?
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
We can support all those things.
We can do mindfulness coaching,we can do health coaching.
Uh we have group classesavailable, private yoga lessons,
private foundation trainingsessions are available.
Caitlin.
Mental health.
SPEAKER_02 (30:44):
We have our nutrition program.
So I just feel if you're again,if you're curious, right?
There we always have thatdiscovery call.
That's a free 15 to 20 minutein-person or over-the-phone
consultation and see whichpathway would be good for you
because we have the full wheel.
Right.
(31:04):
And so our food prep initiativetoo is new.
So we are, you know, taking ourvalues and our mission and we're
living it.
And so that's been really coolto see the feedback and
providing that healthy,nutritious meal for people so
that that takes some of thatthat those time constraints off
their plate.
Stress.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Yeah.
Grocery shopping and cooking.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
And yeah, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (31:29):
Yeah.
We can assist with personalgrocery.
SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
I mean, we recipe.
SPEAKER_02 (31:33):
Yeah, it's really, we have a ton of things.
Stop in for a tour while tellingall.
SPEAKER_00 (31:39):
There's so much that into the woods offers.
And I think too, part of it, itdoesn't have to be all or
nothing.
You can look at it as a menu,right?
And it maybe it feels good tostart with a sauna session,
right?
And just see the benefit.
It's getting cold outside,right?
If you want to just warm upinside and out, essentially,
(32:02):
experience other the healthbenefits that come with that.
Or maybe it is a massage, right?
Self-care.
There's self-care in that, butthere's also so much more beyond
again that mind-body connectionand benefit of that.
SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
And that's why the different pathways, whether it's
a la carte services, whetherit's memberships, whether it's
in our program, has that fullwheel in it.
And so as the holidays arecoming up and we know it's a
stressful time, giving yourselfthat grace and being like, I
might need this.
I think it's worthy to exploreus.
SPEAKER_00 (32:34):
Absolutely.
So let's just do a quick recapand use this as an opportunity
for listeners to check in withthemselves too, right?
It's getting into the busyseason, getting into the hustle
and bustle of things from whatyou know or from what you just
heard.
What's the takeaway?
(32:55):
What's the commitment?
I think I've thought about thisin the past.
We we make so many promises toourselves.
I'm gonna do this now, right?
And then something happens, oryou screw up once and like uh
mess that up.
Yeah, I'm just gonna quit,right?
Well, it doesn't have to be thatagain.
Lose the all or nothingmentality, have grace, have
(33:15):
compassion for self.
But what would you both share?
And I'll think about it as well,as far as that takeaway going
into the holiday season.
What do you what do you want tofocus on?
SPEAKER_02 (33:26):
Yeah, I mean, uh, yes, today we talked more about
our physical component and theother pieces that we have here
and a little bit aboutourselves.
But again, I think wellnessmeans so many different things
to different people, and itstill has a stigma attached to
it, which again, I I won't go onthe soapbox so that this thing
(33:48):
won't last for two hours.
But because we're aware andwe're conscious that these time
frames within our culture arestrenuous, do something about
it.
Let's work towards prevention,be proactive, exactly.
Yeah, change the pattern.
Exactly.
And that's what I mean.
And if it's not us, that's okay,right?
(34:09):
Maybe your journey is withsomebody else.
Fully support that.
But we have an opportunity tohave it all inclusive and figure
out what might work for you orhelp you find somebody that
might be better for you, too.
So I think we're aware of it.
And if you're ready to takethose steps, I hope the takeaway
is whether it's with us or withsomebody else, that you're worth
(34:31):
it.
Um, and from a healingperspective, the only way out is
through.
Yeah.
And so a lot of times withpatients, I'll say, Well, we're
gonna have to pick our hard.
It's hard not to do it, and it'shard to do it.
Where do you want to go?
Yeah.
And so I just need to knowbecause I'll support you either
way, right?
But here would be the benefitsof actually doing something
(34:53):
about it.
And so, with the craziness inthe world and all the things
going on, why not focus on self?
You get one body, you have onelife, right?
This is your one vessel to dowhat feels good to you, and we
might be able to support that.
SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Love it and start small, start somewhere.
Every day is a new day.
Yeah, with the awareness and themindfulness piece.
Life sucks you in, and you fallasleep again, and you just start
on that autopilot.
So every day you have to startwith okay, what's today gonna
look like?
And you, you know, you allowyourself grace, allow yourself
(35:29):
the reset, and just every daytake it a little bit at a time,
and you're worth it, absolutelyworth it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
Yeah, and once you start, whether that's very
small, you don't want to stop.
You're like, this feels good.
SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
Yeah, you might get too derailed, yep, but get right
back on it.
Get back on it, yeah.
Don't give up.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (35:48):
Self-love is important, and that's where our
one of our on the wheel ismentoring.
So that's what we're here for,you know?
It's not just a health coach,it's a health mentor and someone
that you can rely on.
It's not just a life coach,right?
It's someone that you can relyon, and or the mental health
piece.
SPEAKER_00 (36:06):
Last episode was all about that support system,
right?
And that's a huge piece of it.
Not this, do this, do that.
It's yeah, we're gonna makerecommendations.
Absolutely, and you can tell usnope, not gonna work.
Or I tried that, it didn't feelgood.
Yeah, and we'll keep keepexploring.
SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
Yeah, I just tell everybody, let's just have
honest conversations.
That's it.
You know, I'm gonna bring in allthe clinical pieces, the CBT,
the DBT, the EMDR, all of that.
But really, I just believe inhaving honest conversations and
get out of this what you putinto it, and I'm here for it.
And I think that that is aphilosophy that we have here.
SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
Yeah.
Well, this is great.
For me, I feel like going into Imean, really every day, but
holiday especially.
It's so easy to get caught up inscrolling on your phones, and
you know, I I personallystruggle with being present
because I'm always like, okay,what's next?
Right?
Like, what's that one thing thatyou know I can get excited
about?
Yeah.
(37:02):
I think coming back to self andand being present and knowing
like we've been saying thiswhole episode, once you start
something, holding on to thatfeeling of for me, just movement
in the morning, becausesometimes just dancing around,
being silly, and I feel moreenergized, more confident,
(37:22):
right?
Happier, more joyful.
It's just it's at my fingertipsversus something I have to dig
for.
And I think looking at theholidays as stepping into that
that merriment, that joy morethan the stress of it.
That that is a choice.
Yep.
Not always the easy choice, it'ssometimes a hard choice, but it
(37:44):
is still a choice.
Absolutely.
So which hard do you want topick?
Which hard?
Awesome.
All right.
Well, as we step into thewrap-up, there's a lot more
coming.
It's the end of the year, butnot the end of the journey.
There's a lot to look forward toat Into the Woods.
There's going to be the holidayopen house coming up.
SPEAKER_02 (38:05):
Yep.
We're also planning for Novemberan alumni meetup, which will be
really cool to connect withpeople that have been through
the program, you know, re-engageaudiences and love learn about
all our new stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
And there'll be an episode coming up on
bioidentical hormone therapy,which I mean is huge for women
in perimenopause, menopause.
Yeah.
And men.
Yeah.
Aging adults.
Thank you for calling that out.
It's a natural part of agingthat our hormones are changing,
declining, all the things.
So excited to learn more aboutthat.
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Well, movement is medicine.
Mental health is so much acrucial part of that.
SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
And as we've said many, many times, and we're
gonna keep saying it, there isno one right way.
So we hope that you justcontinue to explore your path.
Until next time, be well, bestill, become.
Thanks for listening to theRooted in Rising Wellness
Podcast.
If you enjoyed this episode,please rate and review us.
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We'd also love to connect withyou.
Reach out at info at into thewoodsjourney.com or visit our
website atwww.intothewoodsjourney.com to
explore your path to wellness.
From the bottom of our hearts,thank you so much for listening.
In this episode, we explore physical wellness
(00:02):
through the Into the Woods lenswith special guest Kelly Hall,
discovering how movement trulyis medicine for the whole
person, mind, body, and soul.
Welcome to Rooted in Rising, apodcast by Into the Woods
Wellness.
I'm Caitlin Keneally, coming toyou from our nature-inspired
(00:23):
sanctuary in Fond du Lac,Wisconsin.
Grab your tea, get comfortable,and let's dive into real talk
that empowers your healingjourney.
We're back.
Welcome back.
I am Caitlin Keneally, and Ihave the privilege of being with
Jenny and our COO, Kelly.
(00:46):
Woo! Welcome, Kelly.
Thank you.
This is her first podcast,Jenny.
Oh, we got another newbie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (00:53):
All right.
Yeah, they're all a littlenervous, but I think they're in
good company.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Oh, yeah.
This is a this is a piece ofcake.
SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
Just a conversation.
Just a combo.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
It happens to be recorded.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05):
I'm super excited to talk today because we're going
to be focusing on the physicalcomponent of our full wheel of
wellness.
So some mindfulness, movement,different things.
And it's really important.
And I think part of what sets usapart into the woods is that we
have that full wheel.
We're kind of that one-stopshop.
(01:25):
And the physical component is akey part of that.
So I'm glad we're discussing ittoday.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Yeah.
And I'm super excited to dive inbecause I think, you know,
society just puts so much on us,the culture around, or the
mindset perhaps, maybe aroundphysical wellness, right?
And what that means or what ittakes to be physically fit,
right?
Right.
And in bunny quotes, perhaps.
So I'm excited to hear the intothe woods lens around that.
(01:54):
But before we jump into that,what does a COO do, chief
operating officer, for thosethat are listening?
What does that mean?
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
So, well, I do all of the things.
So I you will see me sometimesat the front desk or answering
phones, but overall I supportevery employee at Into the
Woods.
Um, I help break down structuresand really dig into the
operations piece of things.
Also looking at overallfinancial pictures and all of
the things is how I can explaina chief operating officer.
SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
All right, whatever it takes, it sounds like.
Yeah.
Well, I get to focus on thevision and the strategy and
different things.
So it's it's definitely a nicecompliment, I would say.
Um, the pieces that I can't getto, right?
Because I also have that, butthen I also have the mental
health department and still am apsychotherapist that is actively
seeing people.
(02:46):
So it feels like a goodcompliment to have Kelly to be
able to fill those roles and towork with each other on that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
So a bit more of the business side, but what I love,
and Kelly, we're just startingto get to know each other a bit,
but looking at your bio, I don'tfeel like you fit the typical
business mold.
Yoga instructor, right, Reiki,mindfulness, meaning life
coaching.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Life coaching, yeah, you name it, I do it.
So C-O-O slash mindful livingcoach.
I literally do all the things.
Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Well, we're gonna dive a little bit more into you,
but before we do that, let's doa little bit of a warm-up.
If that wasn't a warm-up enough,okay.
This is episode three, but we'vebeen having a little bit, a
little bit of fun with awellness, this or that.
And in my mind, it's a goodopportunity for the listeners to
kind of check in with themselvestoo.
We we want you answering thesequestions right along with us,
right?
What feels right to you?
So morning workout or eveningmovement?
(03:42):
Morning, morning workout.
Yeah, I'm the same.
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
Solo sweat or workout buddy.
Workout buddy.
I always need that body double.
SPEAKER_01 (03:51):
I'm a solo sweat workout in the morning, get it
done.
However, I do haveaccountability partners.
There's some Snapchat, somebesties in the morning saying I
completed my workout.
SPEAKER_02 (04:00):
Love it.
She has a whole room to herselfin her house.
Yes.
I've been there, and you couldeat off her um floor.
I said that advise that.
Yeah.
Well, Mrs.
Gadlin and I'm I feel fine, evenin their garage.
Like, I'm not even joking.
I thought I felt dirty when Ileft.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
I was like, We hung her down before she came in the
house.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
I was like, uh yikes.
Moving along.
Don't come to my house, but I'mnot even having them over.
I was like, they'll be judging,they'll be like dust everywhere.
We talked about how we'll do ourwork Christmas, but we're gonna
do it in January.
And I was like, Oh, we can do itin my basement.
(04:42):
I was like, we'll be able to eatoff the floor, everybody.
We'll clean up after you asyou're there.
SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
Yeah, that's great.
All right, structured fitnessplan or intuitive movement.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Structured.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
I like I like to go YOLO on that, whatever I want to
do.
Yeah, that's perfect.
I feel like I'm a bit of both.
I need some structure or a plan.
SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
I like plan.
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
And then before, well, actually, I was just
talking to my brother about thisduring the rest break.
Then if there's a good tuna,I'll go a little bit intuitive
movement and just do whatever.
But yeah, it depends.
SPEAKER_02 (05:18):
Sometimes I just want to lay on the floor on my
yoga mat.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
That works, which by the way, counts as yoga.
Good shavasana.
SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
I'm just gonna lay here.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
Love it.
Indoor sauna session or outdoorcold plunge?
Sauna.
Well, neither, but I that'sright.
I forgot.
SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, but so if I had to, I guess, and I can't
swim, so you know, I'd probablyhave to do the sauna if I have
to pick one.
SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
Okay.
You know, I've done the sauna,I've done a cold plunge once,
but I feel like I'd do a coldplunge again getting into the
season of snow.
Like that would like justrunning and jumping into a snow
bank would be a hell of a coldplunge, too.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Yeah, and I I hear it gives you good benefits, but
there's no way it sounds liketorture to me.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
I have to play with it more, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Well, for those of you that like it, feel free to
comment and tell us about whatyou get out of it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Yeah, we'll maybe learn more about that.
All right, tracking steps ormetrics or listening to your
body.
Listening to my body.
Listening.
Perfect.
Rest day.
Is it a complete rest or agentle stretch?
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
A stretch?
Either or.
Some days I just take a breakand some days I need to stretch
it out, and that's that's why Ihave a rest, you know, the day
after leg day.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
Yeah, there you go.
We need it.
Holiday season.
Obviously, it's coming up.
Do you want to maintain yourroutine or do you go with the
flow and just see how you feel?
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Maintain.
Especially during the holidays.
SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
Probably see how I feel.
I'm the same.
SPEAKER_01 (06:54):
Sometimes I love food and I know I have to offset
that with my I probably shouldmaintain routine.
SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
Yeah.
I can help with that.
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
I take a few breaks.
SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
We need some accountability, Kelly.
I can help with that.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, that was that fun.
Let's dive into a little bitmore about Kelly, just because
this is your first podcast andyour first time on the Rooted
and Rising Wellness Podcast.
So, what brought you to into thewoods?
I know you've got a backgroundin a little bit more of the
(07:25):
workplace corporate setting,banking, retail, but what was
your path here?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
25 plus years of leadership, but also my quote
unquote yoga journey we'll callit a self-development phase that
began over 15 years ago.
So you do your first yoga classand then you get hooked.
Well, you either love it or youdon't.
So I loved it.
(07:52):
I got hooked, and it takes youdown a rabbit hole of wellness.
So started with the yoga, thendid yoga teacher training, then
taught yoga classes, then owneda studio here in Fond du Lac
with a few other of my friends,which then I was able to absorb
into into the woods wellness.
(08:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:15):
She just didn't want to leave me.
Yeah, so that's really what itwas.
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
Throughout the journey, we did we did
collaborate on a few things.
We, you know, started to uhencompass the whole body person
again with mental health andphysical and we started to bring
in the nutrition piece.
And Katie and I had actuallytalked once a couple episodes
ago.
She talked about her dream.
So I was brought into the dreamand we did talk.
(08:42):
It's been years in the making onhow do we collaborate and make
this happen.
And everything happens for areason.
So I think the universe kind oftook it slow for all of us.
So, you know, introducing Katieinto my life and then Caitlin
into my life, and then justsomehow we all came together to
create the big dream.
SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We just have to trust theprocess sometimes, even though
the the timeline might not beexact we're gonna hope for or
the exact pathway, right?
Yeah, love it.
So I think it's in your bio, butI'm not quite sure.
This idea of intentional living.
(09:19):
Tell the listeners a little bitabout that.
Well, tell me a little bit moreabout that, because I don't I
need to know more.
I mean, I get the idea ofintentionality, right?
Being intentional, but what doesthat mean to you?
SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
So throughout my journey, I realized that you
know, humans automatically inlife wake up, do their routine,
go to sleep, wake up, do theirroutine.
It's like we're on autopilot.
Yeah.
And you don't see that until yougain a little bit of awareness.
(09:51):
So again, starting yoga,connecting the mind, the body,
the breath.
It opens windows to seeingthings that you didn't see
before.
It makes you become present.
And I think you suddenly, oh, Ihave feelings, and oh, other
people have feelings.
And what am I doing in my lifebesides waking up, working,
(10:15):
eating dinner, and going tosleep?
You know, so just all thesedifferent windows and doors
start to open.
So intentional living to me iswaking up, having a purpose, and
my purpose and drive in my wholelife, I feel like, but you know,
you don't know until you startcracking windows, has been
helping people, making them feelbetter physically, mentally,
emotionally, all of thosethings.
(10:36):
So it came into play withleadership over the years.
Leadership is a learnedexperience.
This is not something that youcan be taught and then just jump
into it.
It's difficult, it's very true.
Learn as you go.
You learn as you go, you fall,you hurt, you cry, you go
through all of these crazythings and leadership and being
(10:57):
intentional and reallyconnecting with people makes
leadership more rewarding, Ithink.
And that was something thathelped me develop those skills
with that intentional livingpeace.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Yeah.
And I think there's so many wayswe can lead, right?
We don't have to be talking justthe typical workplace setting,
right?
We lead our families, we lead inyou know our various community
circle and friend circles,right?
SPEAKER_02 (11:22):
And I would be your best friend.
There you go.
Yeah.
I mean, it is that's a skill setthat I don't have, but yeah,
yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
And I love that idea that you're I mean, it's so
fitting into the into the woodsmindset and approach that, but
how you speak to intentionalliving, it's yeah, uh open that
window, it's a breath of freshair.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Right, right.
And that it's interesting thatyou said that about parenting,
like you're stressed in life.
You don't realize how much youcarry around, and then your
emotions react, and then youdon't, I don't know, looking
back, me personally, like youdon't parent the best that you
could have.
Had I had I parented then, likewith what I know now, I probably
would have been different.
(12:04):
But really creating thatawareness and starting to look
into things like therapy,reading books that are self-help
books and developing yourself,all those things help with that
intentionality, gives you littletips and tricks to take away and
put into life.
SPEAKER_02 (12:19):
Love it.
Kelly got to read my secondbook.
Ooh, I'm slacking.
I haven't had a chance to that'sall right.
I will.
Yeah, but I think the thatintentional piece too,
obviously, from a clinicalperspective, using cognitive
behavioral therapy or or DBT, sodialectical behavioral therapy
is about mindfulness and beingpresent, right?
And as a trauma therapist, it'svery hard for people to connect
(12:40):
to the body, it doesn't feelsafe, right?
SPEAKER_03 (12:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
And so uh and I still think, and again, you guys
can say yes or no, but thatpeople think that like breath
work or mindfulness is still haslike a stigma attached, yeah,
yeah, hokey.
I don't know what how I don'tknow what the right word is.
Woo woo.
I feel like yeah, all right,that's that's good.
But truthfully, we know that thetrends are changing, but we need
to wrap our head around thatit's all important, right?
(13:07):
And if we can, you know, thatemotional regulation piece,
because that's what it is.
And so, especially from a traumalens, when you can learn how to
regulate yourself, then you canstart to do those other things,
right?
Being mindful, intentional.
And it starts with breathing,and it's like, oh, did I breathe
(13:29):
today?
Like sometimes I have to askmyself that, right?
Because I very much get onautopilot, like go.
SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
Well, and you're breathing, but I think that
again, that intentionality intoare your breaths shallow and
short, or are you like reallytaking deep breathing breaths?
Breathing in, feeling yourlungs, like oh, it feels
different.
SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
When Caitlin and I actually started our little
journey together, I took atraining in trauma-informed
yoga, and that's another thingwith intentionality.
So you go through all thesethings in life, and it could be
traumas, and trauma is anythingfrom something emotionally
damaging to somethingcatastrophic.
SPEAKER_02 (14:07):
Trauma is anything that dysregulates your nervous
system.
That's what my whole second bookis also about.
SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
Yeah, selfless plug.
Well, selfless sure, sure.
But as you guys started talkingabout it, I feel like some
people might think, oh, I don'thave trauma, right?
Right.
I mean, I used to be there too.
I I used to not talk a lot aboutjust things that I've
experienced, whether it'spresent or past, because it's
like, well, you know, it's notthat big of a deal, right?
(14:34):
But we all carry things, right?
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
Our bodies especially carry and it creates
how you react to things in theworld.
And those are autopilotreactions that might not come
off as good to other people.
You might come off as hurtful ormy favorite thing was I was very
sassy and I would say things topeople that were just mean, and
I would think, Oh, I'm justkidding, when actually it was
(14:59):
hurtful.
So, I mean, not only does itcreate your reactions to things
in life, but it also you storeit in your body.
So those traumas are trappedsometimes in your hips and you
know, wherever you're holdingit, and it can create your
shoulders, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, not just tensionand pain, but absolutely chronic
conditions, yeah.
Chronic sarcasm.
Yeah, which isn't always good.
SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
That's fair, it happens, it happens for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
Awareness, right?
Right.
Awesome.
Well, this is a perfecttransition into the core of what
we wanted to talk about, whichis that mind-body connection as
it pertains to physical wellnessand really how physical
movement, right, whether it'syoga, going for a walk, can be
(15:53):
medicine for your mental healthand beyond, right?
There's a lot of science aboutit, and I'm not a scientist by
any means.
I'm the creative, right-brainedperson.
But because I was curious, and Iknow this, but for those of you
(16:13):
listening that might be a bitskeptical, there's solid
statistics out there.
And I I went to my trusteefriend Google, and there are
legitimate, you know, studies,yeah, right, that say people who
exercise, and let's I I feellike we need to come around to
this word exercise.
People who move regularly fallasleep 55% faster and sleep
(16:38):
eight percent longer.
I feel like there's probably aquality of sleep tied to that
too, right?
Just one 20-minute walk canboost immune function for
several hours and improvecognitive function for two
hours.
Regular movement can slowcellular aging.
Regular movement reduces chronicdisease, and there's percentages
(17:02):
and studies behind that.
I'm not gonna dive into that.
And even physical activitymovement improves gut biome
diversity as well.
There's so many benefits.
Not only are there thesebenefits, but it feels good too.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (17:17):
Well, I mean, that's the whole point of prevention,
right?
And we and our currenthealthcare system, I'll get on
my soapbox here.
They they want tocompartmentalize and put each
one into a box when in truthit's a circle and it's all of
it.
And you don't have to be perfectat all of it, right?
But you can start with whatfeels good.
(17:40):
So for some people, it might betherapy because that's like the
they might be up here, but thenit's going to transition into
something else and somethingelse.
And so that's been the coolthing, at least for me as a
clinician, coming on board andthen watching my patients
assimilate or find a pathwayhere and really incorporate that
full wheel because it is allconnected, it's not just one or
(18:02):
the other.
So yeah, I I feel like we're upagainst astronomical odds when
it comes to that.
But the more conversations wehave around it, the more we move
towards prevention, thehealthier we would be.
SPEAKER_01 (18:16):
Yeah.
And when you think about ourpillars, one of them being
movement, it creates endorphins,right?
So that's like the mood boostingfeel-good chemical.
It can declutter your mind,reduce anxiety, reduce stress.
So movement being one of thosepillars is incredibly important.
(18:37):
But that being said, I don'tlike running, right?
So if I'm not a runner, well,then I have to find something
that I do enjoy because move itor lose it, right?
So, like you have to keepmoving.
So if you think about that, uhobviously yoga is offered here.
We also have some other movementclasses.
I am certified too in somethingcalled foundation training.
(18:58):
Okay.
That's more of a spine health,like if you suffer from chronic
back pain, sure can help you outof it, or you can utilize it to
become preventative so that yourcore is strong and you can stay
upright and walk well into your80s and 90s, you know,
cane-free, wheelchair-free.
But that's where I say move itor lose it.
So maybe it is a brisk walk toclear your mind, or even sitting
(19:22):
in a chair and stretching, youknow, lengthening out the spine,
taking those full breathsinstead of the shallow breaths
that you mentioned earlier.
Weight training, resistancebands.
I mean, you name it, there is somuch out there, but you have to
explore it and decide what do Ienjoy?
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
Yeah.
And I think it can be veryoverwhelming to think about some
of those pieces and then havingto hold yourself accountable,
right?
And it's very similar again tothe therapy process as well,
just a different avenue.
But I think it can beoverwhelming because there is a
perception of what it's supposedto be, yeah.
Instead of listening toyourself, and what do you want
(20:02):
that to be and what feels goodto you?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
What's supporting your body, but also not torture,
right?
Like movement doesn't have to betorture, exercise, whatever.
So just redefining that foryourself.
SPEAKER_02 (20:17):
Yeah.
I think there's still this bigthing around the physical
appearance, right?
But that doesn't have to be.
It's what if you feel good aboutyourself, heck yeah, right?
But how can you incorporate someof these things to make you
healthier, live longer, havemore energy?
You know, I like to frame it inthat context to try to make it
(20:38):
not so overwhelming for people.
SPEAKER_00 (20:39):
Understanding the why is important, yeah.
And yeah, it can be the both andlike obviously having more
energy, right?
The longevity.
Yeah.
And and if people are lookingfor the physical that usually
will follow in some form.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Which is why I think again, what we do here is
amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
Yeah, the integrated.
Yep.
Right.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
And you get to pick your path, and we just kind of
get to be along for the journey,obviously, giving
recommendations.
Here's this, we've seen this,right?
But you know, we really focus onwhat the client wants and then
help them along that pathway.
So that's something I'm veryproud of that we've been doing.
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Yeah.
I know in I think it's episodeone, Katie did say obviously
there was a lot with thenutrition and the physical
support around the personalizedwellness programs.
A huge piece of bringing Caitlinon board was because people were
struggling with that emotionalpiece.
You know, once you start gettinginto just your patterns, your
(21:39):
habits, kind of breaking downthat autopilot, right?
Like there are reasons why wethink and feel the what we're
feeling.
It's again all correlated, it'sall connected.
So, what else might youhighlight about that mind-body
connection before we move on?
SPEAKER_01 (21:55):
Well, I think we touched on some of it.
Let's break it down.
So there's this or that, right?
So you're, and these are theextremes.
So you're either sitting on yourcouch, eating unhealthy foods,
staring at the TV from the timeyou get home from work, let's
say, until you go to bed.
Do that and write down how do Ifeel?
What's stiff?
(22:15):
So physically, mentally, andemotionally, how do I feel?
Let's go to the next extreme.
So, like, let's say you get upand work out in the morning, go
to work, eat healthy foods allday, come home, have a nice
healthy meal with your family,and then you go for a walk after
dinner, and then you come homeand you stretch out while you
watch your show, and then you goto bed, and then journal how do
(22:36):
you feel?
Those are the two extremes, andthere is an in-between there.
Absolutely.
So it's not this or that, butyou know, just for discussion's
sake, creating that awarenessaround how you feel.
Did I move?
Did I feel myself in a positiveway?
How does that impact mephysically, mentally,
(22:57):
emotionally?
SPEAKER_02 (22:58):
Yeah.
And I also think that even justlike if with therapy alone, you
typically don't reach out untilit gets bad, right?
Whether it's our nursingdepartment, maybe something's
going on, you know what I mean,when it's physical.
So if we can reframe andunderstand how it is all
connected, that it is one wheel,right?
No matter where you start,whatever your entry point is,
that's okay.
(23:20):
But that it is all connected.
And the more we can move in thatdirection and highlight that,
the better it will be for futuregenerations as well, so that we
can model some of those things.
So that's what I would say isthat it really is all connected
and don't wait until it gets toobad.
Or if it is bad, don't thenreach out.
unknown (23:40):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:42):
So knowing how we started the episode with the
this or that and the last onearound holidays, and knowing
that holidays can be wonderful,but they can also be stressful.
Yep.
Lots of different gatherings,that just the the stress of
hosting or shopping or whatever.
And and even if you don't havethat, the routines change,
(24:03):
right?
There's food, there's drink,there's all of the merry things.
Grief.
And there's yeah, and there'sthe emotional stuff that that
whether past, present, you know,future, whatever, like that that
brings a lot into the picture.
So there's a lot that can impactthe holidays.
(24:25):
So, what might be some realisticstrategies for supporting
mind-body into the holidayseason?
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
Yeah.
I think a lot about resilience,right?
And listening to yourself.
Having escape plans, as I liketo say, right?
Escape plans?
Tell me more.
Um, you're you're going in andyou're gonna be there for an
hour or it's two hours.
You have those boundaries setinto place.
You've already given yourself.
So if you still have that needto go.
So a lot of times, I mean, theholidays are probably my biggest
(24:55):
time of year of working withpeople.
So, really, again, a lot ofthose DBT skills, CBT skills,
bringing it present moments, andthat we don't have to engage in
everything, right?
It's okay to kind of have someof those boundaries.
SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
FOMO is real and maybe let explore flipping it.
I've done this.
What is um is it Jomo?
Joy Joy of Missing Out.
Oh, have you heard of that one?
It's harder.
SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
Okay, but you know, yeah, uh just flipping it,
flipping the script and seeing,you know, and I think you just
have to be more aware of thestress because it's financial
stress too for people.
It's this, it's that familytriggers, yes, you know, it's
everything under the sun.
Yeah.
So the more you can take care ofyourself and know what those are
going into it.
(25:42):
I mean, that's my best advicefor on the holidays.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
Yeah, I think going back to that autopilot thing.
So every year we as humanstypically tend to have
traditions.
Like every year we go to mom'shouse on this day, and the same
people are there and it's thefood.
And I think you get anautopilot.
So think about the hosts of theholiday.
Like, I have to buy all this andget all this ready and clean and
(26:04):
prep.
And so they're an autopilot,automatic stress mode, right?
So thinking intentionally aboutwhat you're doing in the
holidays, make a list, but alsopencil in okay, I'm gonna go to
the grocery store and get allthis stuff, but I'm gonna
mindfully grocery shop.
So, like, I'm gonna slow itdown.
Maybe I see people I know and Iallow myself a second to chat.
(26:24):
You know, that speed shoppingstressor is is like what kicks
it off.
Then you're in the kitchen andyou're frantically doing things.
I know I used to chop the crapout of my vegetables and I
wouldn't even be thinking aboutit because everything had to be
fast.
But mindfully preparing thosemeals, so thinking about it,
maybe saying, Oh, I what doesthis smell like as I'm cutting
(26:46):
it, or what's my you know,bringing mindfulness into
everything and then fast forwardto the day.
So everybody's there.
Well, I know when I in the pasthosted, I was worried about
preparing, cooking, cleaning.
And when everyone was there, Iwas in the behind the scenes
thing and I wasn't even joiningin on the holiday spirit of
(27:06):
things.
I was cleaning up after thingsand making sure everything was
perfect.
So again, a whole notherepisode.
Like I said, you could eat offher floor and maybe maybe that's
still an issue.
SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
Yeah, let's not let's not allow it.
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Caitlin and Kelly are gonna schedule a session
after this.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
We can do a live podcast session.
Yeah, fair.
I'll teach her uh some skillsright on the spot.
SPEAKER_01 (27:37):
So yeah, bringing intentionality into the whole
thing and being okay with takinga break and what thinking about
movement during the holidayseason.
So in Wisconsin, where we are,it's cold, right?
So it's hard to get outside.
But saying, okay, I'm gonna gofor a hike.
If we happen to have snow thisholiday season, snowshoeing,
skiing, a workout can be takingthe kids or the grandkids.
(28:00):
Let's walk up a sledding hilland sled back down.
Like that's movement.
So again, movement doesn't haveto be torturous exercise, it can
also involve some fun.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
Love that.
And I I appreciate how breakdown mindfulness in the everyday
things, whether you're preppingfor hosting or making yourself
breakfast, right?
It's just that kind of comingback to your senses.
What do you hear?
What do you smell?
What do you taste?
SPEAKER_01 (28:30):
And that's all that's mindfulness.
Like we do mindfulnessmeditations all the time where
you do stop and you observe allof those senses, and it it
really just brings you back toyour body, brings you back into
the present moment, slows down.
SPEAKER_02 (28:44):
And give yourself grace.
And I just feel like grace andgratitude are are the biggest
pieces.
People get very excited.
And I have a patient um that islike, I know I have this
expectation that it's gonna bethis, but the reality is it
always turns this way.
So why don't we focus on thereality, right?
And be mindful and present andfind those moments instead of a
(29:05):
expectation of a hallmark movie.
So that piece, and then justalso being grateful, right?
That maybe you can afford thosethings and that you do get this
time to be with your family,whether it's good, bad, or ugly,
you know, whatever that lookslike.
But so I think that those areimportant too.
Yeah, and yeah, it give yourselfgrace to know that it's a lot of
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dynamics that happen around theholidays.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Is there anything such as perfect?
I don't know, I don't think so.
No, we live in this, you know,sometimes illusion of of in
pursuit of that.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:41):
Well, that's what I think happens with the physical
piece too.
Yeah, that's that that's where Ithink people halt themselves
instead of just realizing itcould just be three days a week
that you go for a little walk oryou run around your house, or
whatever that looks like.
SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
You don't have to be a marathon runner or uh champion
bodybuilder, correct?
SPEAKER_02 (29:59):
That's so I Think that that's what stops people,
right?
And I think that that's the samewhen it comes to mental health
or nutrition, you know what Imean?
All or nothing.
Get rid of that mentality, itdoesn't have to be that way.
And it's difficult, but healingis in the gray, and that's the
piece that's leaning into thatuncomfortableness.
SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Awesome.
So if someone is looking foradditional support, whether it's
through the holidays orotherwise, to support that
mind-body connection, what wouldyou highlight?
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
We can support all those things.
We can do mindfulness coaching,we can do health coaching.
Uh we have group classesavailable, private yoga lessons,
private foundation trainingsessions are available.
Caitlin.
Mental health.
SPEAKER_02 (30:44):
We have our nutrition program.
So I just feel if you're again,if you're curious, right?
There we always have thatdiscovery call.
That's a free 15 to 20 minutein-person or over-the-phone
consultation and see whichpathway would be good for you
because we have the full wheel.
Right.
(31:04):
And so our food prep initiativetoo is new.
So we are, you know, taking ourvalues and our mission and we're
living it.
And so that's been really coolto see the feedback and
providing that healthy,nutritious meal for people so
that that takes some of thatthat those time constraints off
their plate.
Stress.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Yeah.
Grocery shopping and cooking.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
And yeah, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (31:29):
Yeah.
We can assist with personalgrocery.
SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
I mean, we recipe.
SPEAKER_02 (31:33):
Yeah, it's really, we have a ton of things.
Stop in for a tour while tellingall.
SPEAKER_00 (31:39):
There's so much that into the woods offers.
And I think too, part of it, itdoesn't have to be all or
nothing.
You can look at it as a menu,right?
And it maybe it feels good tostart with a sauna session,
right?
And just see the benefit.
It's getting cold outside,right?
If you want to just warm upinside and out, essentially,
(32:02):
experience other the healthbenefits that come with that.
Or maybe it is a massage, right?
Self-care.
There's self-care in that, butthere's also so much more beyond
again that mind-body connectionand benefit of that.
SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
And that's why the different pathways, whether it's
a la carte services, whetherit's memberships, whether it's
in our program, has that fullwheel in it.
And so as the holidays arecoming up and we know it's a
stressful time, giving yourselfthat grace and being like, I
might need this.
I think it's worthy to exploreus.
SPEAKER_00 (32:34):
Absolutely.
So let's just do a quick recapand use this as an opportunity
for listeners to check in withthemselves too, right?
It's getting into the busyseason, getting into the hustle
and bustle of things from whatyou know or from what you just
heard.
What's the takeaway?
(32:55):
What's the commitment?
I think I've thought about thisin the past.
We we make so many promises toourselves.
I'm gonna do this now, right?
And then something happens, oryou screw up once and like uh
mess that up.
Yeah, I'm just gonna quit,right?
Well, it doesn't have to be thatagain.
Lose the all or nothingmentality, have grace, have
(33:15):
compassion for self.
But what would you both share?
And I'll think about it as well,as far as that takeaway going
into the holiday season.
What do you what do you want tofocus on?
SPEAKER_02 (33:26):
Yeah, I mean, uh, yes, today we talked more about
our physical component and theother pieces that we have here
and a little bit aboutourselves.
But again, I think wellnessmeans so many different things
to different people, and itstill has a stigma attached to
it, which again, I I won't go onthe soapbox so that this thing
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won't last for two hours.
But because we're aware andwe're conscious that these time
frames within our culture arestrenuous, do something about
it.
Let's work towards prevention,be proactive, exactly.
Yeah, change the pattern.
Exactly.
And that's what I mean.
And if it's not us, that's okay,right?
(34:09):
Maybe your journey is withsomebody else.
Fully support that.
But we have an opportunity tohave it all inclusive and figure
out what might work for you orhelp you find somebody that
might be better for you, too.
So I think we're aware of it.
And if you're ready to takethose steps, I hope the takeaway
is whether it's with us or withsomebody else, that you're worth
(34:31):
it.
Um, and from a healingperspective, the only way out is
through.
Yeah.
And so a lot of times withpatients, I'll say, Well, we're
gonna have to pick our hard.
It's hard not to do it, and it'shard to do it.
Where do you want to go?
Yeah.
And so I just need to knowbecause I'll support you either
way, right?
But here would be the benefitsof actually doing something
(34:53):
about it.
And so, with the craziness inthe world and all the things
going on, why not focus on self?
You get one body, you have onelife, right?
This is your one vessel to dowhat feels good to you, and we
might be able to support that.
SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Love it and start small, start somewhere.
Every day is a new day.
Yeah, with the awareness and themindfulness piece.
Life sucks you in, and you fallasleep again, and you just start
on that autopilot.
So every day you have to startwith okay, what's today gonna
look like?
And you, you know, you allowyourself grace, allow yourself
(35:29):
the reset, and just every daytake it a little bit at a time,
and you're worth it, absolutelyworth it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
Yeah, and once you start, whether that's very
small, you don't want to stop.
You're like, this feels good.
SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
Yeah, you might get too derailed, yep, but get right
back on it.
Get back on it, yeah.
Don't give up.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (35:48):
Self-love is important, and that's where our
one of our on the wheel ismentoring.
So that's what we're here for,you know?
It's not just a health coach,it's a health mentor and someone
that you can rely on.
It's not just a life coach,right?
It's someone that you can relyon, and or the mental health
piece.
SPEAKER_00 (36:06):
Last episode was all about that support system,
right?
And that's a huge piece of it.
Not this, do this, do that.
It's yeah, we're gonna makerecommendations.
Absolutely, and you can tell usnope, not gonna work.
Or I tried that, it didn't feelgood.
Yeah, and we'll keep keepexploring.
SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
Yeah, I just tell everybody, let's just have
honest conversations.
That's it.
You know, I'm gonna bring in allthe clinical pieces, the CBT,
the DBT, the EMDR, all of that.
But really, I just believe inhaving honest conversations and
get out of this what you putinto it, and I'm here for it.
And I think that that is aphilosophy that we have here.
SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
Yeah.
Well, this is great.
For me, I feel like going into Imean, really every day, but
holiday especially.
It's so easy to get caught up inscrolling on your phones, and
you know, I I personallystruggle with being present
because I'm always like, okay,what's next?
Right?
Like, what's that one thing thatyou know I can get excited
about?
Yeah.
(37:02):
I think coming back to self andand being present and knowing
like we've been saying thiswhole episode, once you start
something, holding on to thatfeeling of for me, just movement
in the morning, becausesometimes just dancing around,
being silly, and I feel moreenergized, more confident,
(37:22):
right?
Happier, more joyful.
It's just it's at my fingertipsversus something I have to dig
for.
And I think looking at theholidays as stepping into that
that merriment, that joy morethan the stress of it.
That that is a choice.
Yep.
Not always the easy choice, it'ssometimes a hard choice, but it
(37:44):
is still a choice.
Absolutely.
So which hard do you want topick?
Which hard?
Awesome.
All right.
Well, as we step into thewrap-up, there's a lot more
coming.
It's the end of the year, butnot the end of the journey.
There's a lot to look forward toat Into the Woods.
There's going to be the holidayopen house coming up.
SPEAKER_02 (38:05):
Yep.
We're also planning for Novemberan alumni meetup, which will be
really cool to connect withpeople that have been through
the program, you know, re-engageaudiences and love learn about
all our new stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
And there'll be an episode coming up on
bioidentical hormone therapy,which I mean is huge for women
in perimenopause, menopause.
Yeah.
And men.
Yeah.
Aging adults.
Thank you for calling that out.
It's a natural part of agingthat our hormones are changing,
declining, all the things.
So excited to learn more aboutthat.
(38:40):
Well, movement is medicine.
Mental health is so much acrucial part of that.
SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
And as we've said many, many times, and we're
gonna keep saying it, there isno one right way.
So we hope that you justcontinue to explore your path.
Until next time, be well, bestill, become.
Thanks for listening to theRooted in Rising Wellness
Podcast.
If you enjoyed this episode,please rate and review us.
(39:08):
We'd also love to connect withyou.
Reach out at info at into thewoodsjourney.com or visit our
website atwww.intothewoodsjourney.com to
explore your path to wellness.
From the bottom of our hearts,thank you so much for listening.
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