September 24, 2025 • 14 mins
On the latest Rugby Direct, Elliott Smith and Liam Napier assess the All Blacks' side named for the first Bledisloe Cup test at Eden Park, featuring the returns of Codie Taylor, Cam Roigard and Caleb Clarke to the run-on side.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Welcome into Rugby Direct, powered by Excess Solutions, elevating you
and your business to a higher level.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Midweek and time to reconvene.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Elliot Smith with me all the way back from the
United States, the sleeping giant of world Rugby.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Leam Mapier, Welcome back, jeez one on Joe. Great to
see it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, likewise, good trip, was it, wils Yep.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I wouldn't say well arrested, but it's good to be
back in tackling another big old.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Bladerslow indeed, Well, your Blakes have just named the team
four Saturday Night eleven change, sorry, eleven survivors from the
team that were beaten comprehensively, biggest ever defeat for the
All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Liam.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Just looking at that team, I'm sure our listeners have
seen it by now. Are you expecting more changes?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Not really, I didn't know Scott Barrett was the big surprise.
Didn't know he was injured, didn't know he we didn't
weren't told. He finished that game with a shoulder injury.
Sounds like he trained on Tuesday and did everything he could.
So that was the big surprise. But Raises pretty consistently
maintained faith in his starters, asn't he I thought, maybe
(01:45):
lessifying a look who might come into the mix somewhere,
But I did expect Caleb Clark to come back. Can
Roy Guards, Cody Taylor was always going to be injected
back your starters, same with Cortez lastmile on the bench.
A bit of a surprise to see Peter Lucky injected
along with Patrick Tuopolota returning. So a couple of tweaks,
(02:08):
but there's certainly no radical changes there.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, and those expecting radical change will be sorely disappointed
because the players that did suffer that defeat, the worst
ever bid an All Blacks team, largely back up again.
But some of those players they bring in have that experience.
Your Cody Taylor instantly makes the line out better. Can
Roy Guard is an instant lift into that back line
as well. Caleb Clark said to bide his time in
(02:31):
the NBC, which feels like a bit of an odd
one for the last couple of weeks, but he gets
his opportunity and hard to argue with too many of
those changes that they've made, especially probably for me at
hooker and half back and probably on the left wing.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, I think Caleb Clark has been an oversight. I
think we've been talking for the best part of two
three weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
White.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Did he really need to play the NPC?
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Maybe one game, certainly not too when you're glaring issues
are under the high ball. He's your best aerial exponent.
Get him in there.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Why wait, Well, that's.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The thing I think, to be honest, Torolomax and Tobody
Williams have suffered from a lack of game time, perhaps
not going back to the NBC, whereas I think for
a outside back a wing it it's easier to slot in.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And there's a real lack of consistency there there is,
and Scott.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Rolls and see some of the calls and things like that.
But then you go out of the camp and you
go back into NPC. So I would have had Caleb
Clark and there're certainly for the Wellington set.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Same with Cam Royguard.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
He played one game for Counties and he's straight back
in there, so Caleb Clark I would have given him
one game max and then he goes back to the
left wing. He was your incumbent at the back end
of last year. He played exceptionally well against the spring
Box last year, so I think that was one selection oversight.
But yeah, looking at that team, I don't think you
(03:48):
can underestimate, like you say, with Cody Taylor, how much
of a difference he should make to the line out.
And Cam Roygard he is among if not he's pushing
a bee, considered the best half back in the world
on his day. He upstairs DuPont last November. He has
running threat. His booming boots will take so much pressure
(04:09):
off Boden Barrett and the other kickers in that all.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Black back line.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
He just poses so much more of a threat for
the defenders around the ruck. And you know Cortez Latima
has head. He's been a bit patchy, but he should
potentially lift the tempo when it comes on later in
that game. So the bench instantly looks strong as well,
with too Polo two bringing that physicality, adding that experience,
(04:35):
and I do like Larchey's inclusion. He's versatile and he's
a much bigger, more powerful, dynamic ball carrier than Dupless
and I think this should be more obviously the spring
box Blue the All Blacks off the Park and Wellington,
but the Wallaby style will generally be you would suspect
more wide, more open, because their strengths are in their
(04:58):
back line.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You mentioned can Roygad and Press taking some pressure off
Boden Barrett. I think we probably can't underestimate the fact
that the All Blacks got down to their fourth and
fifth choice half backs in recent weeks. I think we've
seen that there is a gulf clearly between first and
fourth and fifth. Roy Guard is world class, as you
pointed out, and I know was mentioned back into last
year that I think was Isaac Boss, who's coached him
(05:20):
a little bit in the age Grips could see him
potentially being a ten now with that ever happens is
by the bye. But he's got that playmaking mind and
I think the All Blacks have missed having that kind
of player come out of the back of the ruck
option taking wise mean those suffering games are real arm
wrestles and a lot of box kicking, but you know
Roga would have had we snipe I'm sure once or
(05:41):
twice in those games.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
How do we look?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I think the All Blacks certainly missed having his
presence at half back, just directing the team and keeping
the pulse of the team.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh massively.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
The difference between him and Finlay Christie is hemispheres and
we've touched on some of his strengths there, but one
of them we haven't is his size.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And the All Blacks have struggled at times.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You go right back to France in July with their
their breakdown and if there's pressure on there, if the
ball not pristine, if the halfback's getting man handled, Royguard
has the presence of mind, the size of physicality to
go for a snight, to shake off defenders, to still
deliver under that sort of pressure. He's by far the
(06:21):
biggest half back the All Blacks have it and that
does make a big difference.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, Lesku this week thought he may have seen him
potentially off the bench. They've stuck with the midfield or
especially the center. In terms of Billy Proctor, I thought
this week may have been the change to a week
to make a change there.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He hasn't.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He's had a lot of opportunities, and I mind the
fact that they've stuck with him through the last few
Test matches, but time is running out, I think, and
this week, you know, I thought he might have been
replaced this week, but the other week Limbs is a
major pivotal point in his career as test career.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I think for Billy Proctor, it's time to show up.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, I think that's fair. He's had a lot of
chances and.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
That combination really hasn't gelled, which is surprising with Jordie
because they've had a lot of time. I'm together for
the Hurricanes, not this year, but prior to that, and yeah,
Billy's just hasn't made the step up at this point.
If there was one player in that team that was
under significant pressure to talk, you know, whether it was
(07:22):
going to be Antoonlina Brown or or leicesterifying Anook, who
there was, There's been a lot of conjecture around that
Raises held firm and I think credit to him because
one hundred percent there is a real temptation to bring
in Lester's power and he knows his game well. He's
(07:43):
coached them through the Crusaders so there could be an
underlying bias.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Well, he hasn't gone there, so Billy has to deliver.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
But you could extend that out to other players within
that group because the heaviest defeat in history. And I
think I haven't been around earlier in the week, but
I think Cody Taylor spoke really well today about restoring
prior about players fronting about the hurts and.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
The words that's stung that that have been around.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
And when he said that, I was thinking of not
us in the media, but things that have been said
by people like Karen Reid who questioned basically the hearts, yeah,
of the All Blacks team and the way they folded
under pressure when the boxerre on that rampage in the
last twenty comments from form more Black captains like that sting.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, they'll see more than columns written by you, I
somewhere else from our opposition, whatever I be. It's those
former players suggesting that that I think will really hurt
the All Blacks. Artie Suthing as captain not an unfamiliar role.
In fact, he's already done it twice this year is
the third time he's captained the side this year. I'm
not unfamiliar, as I said, but I think it's time
(08:57):
of Artie's stand up as a leader as well, because
I don't think he did in the back end of
that game in Wellington, Chip and Chase in the last
two or three minutes and the game was gone by
that point, but not really the play that was needed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I don't think he stood up in that game at all.
Thought he was very very quiet.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So I mean a lot of people are clamoring Friday,
so I ve to be the full time captain of
this team rather than Scott Barrett. But I think there
has to be question marks around some of his leadership,
both as a vice captain. But you know he's going
to have to stand up as a player and as
a captain this week.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah that's fair too. He probably hasn't been at his
best for the All Blacks this year, different levels, but
could you look at his impact through Former one and
PACIFICA best player in the competition by a long way,
inspirational every single week. Maybe that season has taken a
bit of a toll. Not too sure, and you broaden
that out to the loose Ford trio. I think they
(09:47):
were very good at Eden Park. We saw Wallace Tacy.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Carrying really well.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Simon Parker is a real presence on defense and as
a trio. They were massively upstaged in Wellington. That's not
as easy when you're on the back foot and the
set piece is disintegrating the scrum. The line out went
to the packs. So I think there's some a lot
of onus on the All Black forward pack to front
(10:12):
different kettle of fish against the Wallabies. It will be
you suspect more, more up tempo. But there's no doubt
Joe Schmidt would have watched what's happened with the All Blacks,
some of their defensive frailties. I'm sure he's picked apart
a few little set piece plays and I've got got
to still target the All Blacks in the air, don't they.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
They do because they've seen the frailties there, they've seen
the weaknesses. So as Joe Schmidt would have seen, he
would have watched that tape and gone, this is how
we can do it, and maybe they go away from
their game plan this week and go right. These guys
don't like it the under the in the air, so
let's just absolutely hamm with them. If I'm the Wallabies,
you know, I don't know whether you can outrun the
(10:54):
All Blacks because they've tried to do it for twenty
odd years and have them on the blas the back.
So maybe they just go back into their shells and
play spring box like rugby because the All Blacks don't
like it that way.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Maybe.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, Schmidt as a high detail hours go right, so
he's catch pass, He's everything done to a very high precision.
He would have been pouring over footage. And I don't
think there's any doubt that the Wallaby strengths are in
their back line. Their midfield has a claim to be
(11:26):
the best in the world currently. Sui Lee and ikto
bouncing off each other. You want to get them the
ball in space. Max Jorgensen probably shift to fall back
with Andrew callaway out. I think that probably nullifies his
impact to weave it because I don't think you can
inject your pace as much from fullback. He will be
peppered with high balls, maybe not unleashed in the same capacity.
(11:50):
But I think the Wallaby strengths are in their back
line and they'll look to use those. But just on
the Wallabies, I think we've discussed it previously. There's no
Dutch Schmidz bought a depth of character, a resilience. We've
seen them come back even when they've lost, they've been competitive.
Talk a couple of the Australian journalists today, Ian Payton
(12:12):
and Jimmie Perrin panderam apologies and they made the point
that yeah, previous Wallaby's teams, even under Checker and co,
they'd be good one week, pounded the next, but now
they're competitive every single week. I'm pretty confident that All
Blacks will bounce back this week, but I don't think
we'll see the blowouts of previous years. This Wallaby's team
(12:36):
is still missing Will Skelton and Rob Valentini, and that's
predominantly why I reckon the All Blacks could well should
win because those are two huge presences in that Wallaby's
pack and they were front and center during the Lions
series when the Wallaby's played their best rugby and everyone
seems to be overlooking the fact that the Wallaby's actually
(12:57):
lost the last thay out to the Plumbers as well.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, the comeback sort of overshadowed that a little.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
But we're recording this before the Wallaby's team is officially announced,
but it sounds like James O'Connor is likely to be
a teen and according to a friend of the pod,
Christy Dorian, who has some pretty good male big in
for them in terms of getting that experience. They've got
some injuries and liner etc. But this is a guy
that is a super Raby champion not so long ago
(13:26):
and knows some of the ways the Crusader's boys in
that Crusader and that All Blacks team will play.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, it probably goes both ways. They know him as well, and.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think it's necessary a compliment to Australian rugby though,
is it that you have to fly a guy back
from Europe to start a test match?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
For you?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
A very a guy that's probably over the hill play
beyond his best. It sure he's mature much.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
He's the only player in the wall Becau this even
one anything.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, look, I would much rather have James O'Connor than
Tane Edmond, so that's why they're flying him back. But yeah,
not great depth at ten when you have to bring
a bloke. But when did it even a right?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think Monday maybe into into Auckland.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, so it's not idea passport is struct for.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Customers as Liam, thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
As always, we will reconvene next week after the letters
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Speaker 2 (14:23):
We'll catch you next time on Rugby Direct
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Get inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct
with Elliot Smith and Leam Napier powered by News Talks EDB.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Welcome into Rugby Direct, powered by Excess Solutions, elevating you
and your business to a higher level.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Midweek and time to reconvene.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Elliot Smith with me all the way back from the
United States, the sleeping giant of world Rugby.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Leam Mapier, Welcome back, jeez one on Joe. Great to
see it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, likewise, good trip, was it, wils Yep.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I wouldn't say well arrested, but it's good to be
back in tackling another big old.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Bladerslow indeed, Well, your Blakes have just named the team
four Saturday Night eleven change, sorry, eleven survivors from the
team that were beaten comprehensively, biggest ever defeat for the
All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Liam.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Just looking at that team, I'm sure our listeners have
seen it by now. Are you expecting more changes?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Not really, I didn't know Scott Barrett was the big surprise.
Didn't know he was injured, didn't know he we didn't
weren't told. He finished that game with a shoulder injury.
Sounds like he trained on Tuesday and did everything he could.
So that was the big surprise. But Raises pretty consistently
maintained faith in his starters, asn't he I thought, maybe
(01:45):
lessifying a look who might come into the mix somewhere,
But I did expect Caleb Clark to come back. Can
Roy Guards, Cody Taylor was always going to be injected
back your starters, same with Cortez lastmile on the bench.
A bit of a surprise to see Peter Lucky injected
along with Patrick Tuopolota returning. So a couple of tweaks,
(02:08):
but there's certainly no radical changes there.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, and those expecting radical change will be sorely disappointed
because the players that did suffer that defeat, the worst
ever bid an All Blacks team, largely back up again.
But some of those players they bring in have that experience.
Your Cody Taylor instantly makes the line out better. Can
Roy Guard is an instant lift into that back line
as well. Caleb Clark said to bide his time in
(02:31):
the NBC, which feels like a bit of an odd
one for the last couple of weeks, but he gets
his opportunity and hard to argue with too many of
those changes that they've made, especially probably for me at
hooker and half back and probably on the left wing.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, I think Caleb Clark has been an oversight. I
think we've been talking for the best part of two
three weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
White.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Did he really need to play the NPC?
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Maybe one game, certainly not too when you're glaring issues
are under the high ball. He's your best aerial exponent.
Get him in there.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Why wait, Well, that's.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The thing I think, to be honest, Torolomax and Tobody
Williams have suffered from a lack of game time, perhaps
not going back to the NBC, whereas I think for
a outside back a wing it it's easier to slot in.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And there's a real lack of consistency there there is,
and Scott.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Rolls and see some of the calls and things like that.
But then you go out of the camp and you
go back into NPC. So I would have had Caleb
Clark and there're certainly for the Wellington set.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Same with Cam Royguard.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
He played one game for Counties and he's straight back
in there, so Caleb Clark I would have given him
one game max and then he goes back to the
left wing. He was your incumbent at the back end
of last year. He played exceptionally well against the spring
Box last year, so I think that was one selection oversight.
But yeah, looking at that team, I don't think you
(03:48):
can underestimate, like you say, with Cody Taylor, how much
of a difference he should make to the line out.
And Cam Roygard he is among if not he's pushing
a bee, considered the best half back in the world
on his day. He upstairs DuPont last November. He has
running threat. His booming boots will take so much pressure
(04:09):
off Boden Barrett and the other kickers in that all.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Black back line.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
He just poses so much more of a threat for
the defenders around the ruck. And you know Cortez Latima
has head. He's been a bit patchy, but he should
potentially lift the tempo when it comes on later in
that game. So the bench instantly looks strong as well,
with too Polo two bringing that physicality, adding that experience,
(04:35):
and I do like Larchey's inclusion. He's versatile and he's
a much bigger, more powerful, dynamic ball carrier than Dupless
and I think this should be more obviously the spring
box Blue the All Blacks off the Park and Wellington,
but the Wallaby style will generally be you would suspect
more wide, more open, because their strengths are in their
(04:58):
back line.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You mentioned can Roygad and Press taking some pressure off
Boden Barrett. I think we probably can't underestimate the fact
that the All Blacks got down to their fourth and
fifth choice half backs in recent weeks. I think we've
seen that there is a gulf clearly between first and
fourth and fifth. Roy Guard is world class, as you
pointed out, and I know was mentioned back into last
year that I think was Isaac Boss, who's coached him
(05:20):
a little bit in the age Grips could see him
potentially being a ten now with that ever happens is
by the bye. But he's got that playmaking mind and
I think the All Blacks have missed having that kind
of player come out of the back of the ruck
option taking wise mean those suffering games are real arm
wrestles and a lot of box kicking, but you know
Roga would have had we snipe I'm sure once or
(05:41):
twice in those games.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
How do we look?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I think the All Blacks certainly missed having his
presence at half back, just directing the team and keeping
the pulse of the team.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh massively.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
The difference between him and Finlay Christie is hemispheres and
we've touched on some of his strengths there, but one
of them we haven't is his size.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And the All Blacks have struggled at times.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You go right back to France in July with their
their breakdown and if there's pressure on there, if the
ball not pristine, if the halfback's getting man handled, Royguard
has the presence of mind, the size of physicality to
go for a snight, to shake off defenders, to still
deliver under that sort of pressure. He's by far the
(06:21):
biggest half back the All Blacks have it and that
does make a big difference.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, Lesku this week thought he may have seen him
potentially off the bench. They've stuck with the midfield or
especially the center. In terms of Billy Proctor, I thought
this week may have been the change to a week
to make a change there.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He hasn't.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He's had a lot of opportunities, and I mind the
fact that they've stuck with him through the last few
Test matches, but time is running out, I think, and
this week, you know, I thought he might have been
replaced this week, but the other week Limbs is a
major pivotal point in his career as test career.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I think for Billy Proctor, it's time to show up.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, I think that's fair. He's had a lot of
chances and.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
That combination really hasn't gelled, which is surprising with Jordie
because they've had a lot of time. I'm together for
the Hurricanes, not this year, but prior to that, and yeah,
Billy's just hasn't made the step up at this point.
If there was one player in that team that was
under significant pressure to talk, you know, whether it was
(07:22):
going to be Antoonlina Brown or or leicesterifying Anook, who
there was, There's been a lot of conjecture around that
Raises held firm and I think credit to him because
one hundred percent there is a real temptation to bring
in Lester's power and he knows his game well. He's
(07:43):
coached them through the Crusaders so there could be an
underlying bias.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Well, he hasn't gone there, so Billy has to deliver.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
But you could extend that out to other players within
that group because the heaviest defeat in history. And I
think I haven't been around earlier in the week, but
I think Cody Taylor spoke really well today about restoring
prior about players fronting about the hurts and.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
The words that's stung that that have been around.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
And when he said that, I was thinking of not
us in the media, but things that have been said
by people like Karen Reid who questioned basically the hearts, yeah,
of the All Blacks team and the way they folded
under pressure when the boxerre on that rampage in the
last twenty comments from form more Black captains like that sting.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, they'll see more than columns written by you, I
somewhere else from our opposition, whatever I be. It's those
former players suggesting that that I think will really hurt
the All Blacks. Artie Suthing as captain not an unfamiliar role.
In fact, he's already done it twice this year is
the third time he's captained the side this year. I'm
not unfamiliar, as I said, but I think it's time
(08:57):
of Artie's stand up as a leader as well, because
I don't think he did in the back end of
that game in Wellington, Chip and Chase in the last
two or three minutes and the game was gone by
that point, but not really the play that was needed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I don't think he stood up in that game at all.
Thought he was very very quiet.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So I mean a lot of people are clamoring Friday,
so I ve to be the full time captain of
this team rather than Scott Barrett. But I think there
has to be question marks around some of his leadership,
both as a vice captain. But you know he's going
to have to stand up as a player and as
a captain this week.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah that's fair too. He probably hasn't been at his
best for the All Blacks this year, different levels, but
could you look at his impact through Former one and
PACIFICA best player in the competition by a long way,
inspirational every single week. Maybe that season has taken a
bit of a toll. Not too sure, and you broaden
that out to the loose Ford trio. I think they
(09:47):
were very good at Eden Park. We saw Wallace Tacy.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Carrying really well.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Simon Parker is a real presence on defense and as
a trio. They were massively upstaged in Wellington. That's not
as easy when you're on the back foot and the
set piece is disintegrating the scrum. The line out went
to the packs. So I think there's some a lot
of onus on the All Black forward pack to front
(10:12):
different kettle of fish against the Wallabies. It will be
you suspect more, more up tempo. But there's no doubt
Joe Schmidt would have watched what's happened with the All Blacks,
some of their defensive frailties. I'm sure he's picked apart
a few little set piece plays and I've got got
to still target the All Blacks in the air, don't they.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
They do because they've seen the frailties there, they've seen
the weaknesses. So as Joe Schmidt would have seen, he
would have watched that tape and gone, this is how
we can do it, and maybe they go away from
their game plan this week and go right. These guys
don't like it the under the in the air, so
let's just absolutely hamm with them. If I'm the Wallabies,
you know, I don't know whether you can outrun the
(10:54):
All Blacks because they've tried to do it for twenty
odd years and have them on the blas the back.
So maybe they just go back into their shells and
play spring box like rugby because the All Blacks don't
like it that way.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Maybe.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, Schmidt as a high detail hours go right, so
he's catch pass, He's everything done to a very high precision.
He would have been pouring over footage. And I don't
think there's any doubt that the Wallaby strengths are in
their back line. Their midfield has a claim to be
(11:26):
the best in the world currently. Sui Lee and ikto
bouncing off each other. You want to get them the
ball in space. Max Jorgensen probably shift to fall back
with Andrew callaway out. I think that probably nullifies his
impact to weave it because I don't think you can
inject your pace as much from fullback. He will be
peppered with high balls, maybe not unleashed in the same capacity.
(11:50):
But I think the Wallaby strengths are in their back
line and they'll look to use those. But just on
the Wallabies, I think we've discussed it previously. There's no
Dutch Schmidz bought a depth of character, a resilience. We've
seen them come back even when they've lost, they've been competitive.
Talk a couple of the Australian journalists today, Ian Payton
(12:12):
and Jimmie Perrin panderam apologies and they made the point
that yeah, previous Wallaby's teams, even under Checker and co,
they'd be good one week, pounded the next, but now
they're competitive every single week. I'm pretty confident that All
Blacks will bounce back this week, but I don't think
we'll see the blowouts of previous years. This Wallaby's team
(12:36):
is still missing Will Skelton and Rob Valentini, and that's
predominantly why I reckon the All Blacks could well should
win because those are two huge presences in that Wallaby's
pack and they were front and center during the Lions
series when the Wallaby's played their best rugby and everyone
seems to be overlooking the fact that the Wallaby's actually
(12:57):
lost the last thay out to the Plumbers as well.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, the comeback sort of overshadowed that a little.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
But we're recording this before the Wallaby's team is officially announced,
but it sounds like James O'Connor is likely to be
a teen and according to a friend of the pod,
Christy Dorian, who has some pretty good male big in
for them in terms of getting that experience. They've got
some injuries and liner etc. But this is a guy
that is a super Raby champion not so long ago
(13:26):
and knows some of the ways the Crusader's boys in
that Crusader and that All Blacks team will play.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, it probably goes both ways. They know him as well, and.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think it's necessary a compliment to Australian rugby though,
is it that you have to fly a guy back
from Europe to start a test match?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
For you?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
A very a guy that's probably over the hill play
beyond his best. It sure he's mature much.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
He's the only player in the wall Becau this even
one anything.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, look, I would much rather have James O'Connor than
Tane Edmond, so that's why they're flying him back. But yeah,
not great depth at ten when you have to bring
a bloke. But when did it even a right?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think Monday maybe into into Auckland.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, so it's not idea passport is struct for.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Customers as Liam, thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
As always, we will reconvene next week after the letters
low and our thanks to Last and Bars English and
Excess Solutions.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
We'll catch you next time on Rugby Direct
Speaker 1 (14:29):
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