Welcome to the Rumbling Facts Podcast—where uncomfortable truths collide with critical thinking, and we have raw, unfiltered conversations that spark real growth for the real ones. We’re the #1 destination for challenging the narrative, diving deep into the topics most people avoid, and unlocking the knowledge that’s waiting to be uncovered. Today’s 77th episode we have a guest who is a true pioneer, someone whose life journey has taken her from running away as a young woman, hitchhiking across the country, and eventually serving in the Air Force to becoming one of the most respected figures in a world most people don’t fully understand. She is Air Force Amy—Madame at the Alien Cat House in Las Vegas—a legal courtesan and outspoken advocate for sex workers’ rights. Amy has defied all the the odds and shown that you can build a career on your own terms, all while fighting for respect, dignity, and equal rights for those in the profession.From hitchhiking across America as a runaway teen to becoming a decorated U.S. Air Force veteran, and ultimately one of the most iconic legal courtesans in Nevada history—Air Force Amy has lived a life most couldn’t imagine. Now the Madam at the Alien Cathouse near Area 51, Amy joins the Rumbling Facts Podcast to share the raw, unfiltered truth about her journey through addiction, trauma, sexuality, military service, and 35 years inside legal brothels.In this explosive and emotional episode, DJ Retsam (Sam) digs deep into Amy’s transformation—from surviving the underbelly of America to becoming a powerful voice for sex workers’ rights, mental health, and human empowerment. We go behind the scenes of HBO’s Cathouse series, explore the surreal atmosphere of the Alien Cathouse, and uncover the real business, relationships, and emotional dynamics inside legal prostitution. Amy drops eye-opening insights into what men really want, the hidden emotional needs of clients, and how ageism, morality, trauma, and spirituality collide in one of the world’s most misunderstood industries.From talking about military sexual trauma, PTSD, and mental health to discussing buttplugs shaped like UFOs, this conversation covers it all—nothing is off limits. We also challenge popular media myths about sex workers, look into the challenges they face with banking, legal acceptance, and societal judgment, and dive into the impact of platforms like OnlyFans and the rise of digital sex work.If you think you understand sex, relationships, or the human condition—think again. This episode is filled with uncomfortable truths, street-earned wisdom, and a reminder that no matter how unconventional your path may be, your story matters.📚 Hosted by @DjRetsam — rapper, creator, and founder of Making Others Read, with over 100,000 books donated to underserved communities.Air Force Amy LINKSWebsitehttp://www.airforceamy.comWebsite #2http://www.allmylinks.com/airforceamyWebsite #3https://aliencathouse.com/cosmic_kitten/madam-amy/Twitter URLhttps://twitter.com/airforceamyYouTube URLhttps://youtube.com/user164877228Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/airforceamyvegasYour Host = Sam Gladu @DjRetsam PODCAST LINKS Rumbling Facts Podcast on SPOTIFYhttps://open.spotify.com/show/28EVivBWPFZ25qSDwTUWSn?si=795e94fc93404d5bRumbling Facts Podcast on RUMBLEhttps://rumble.com/c/RumblingFactsPodcastRumbling Facts Clips on RUMBLEhttps://rumble.com/c/c-5646792ALL LINKS Sam DjRetsamhttp://linktr.ee/djretsamMUSIC on SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/artist/3YgKupXc2ID3mnPZOlgJ2H?si=DQDD43iIRbOMAmydUMu1hwALL my Releases in 1 PLAYLIST-https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2gNzano55YrL39Gmlgk1pH?si=3e97588c182b470ehttps://www.instagram.com/djretsam/https://www.tiktok.com/@SamGladu https://twitter.com/samgladuhttps://www.facebook.com/DjRetsamhttps://rumble.com/user/DjRetsamhttps://www.youtube.com/@UC2OrYbprFHlOkOiWScR74dA
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Really only see three people. Playing.
You know, 30 years ago at the Mustang Ranch, we'd see 20
people a day. OHP, shit.
You know, they had thousands of people coming through that door.
God damn, And that's a lot of showers on that day.
Oh my goodness. We we sit, sits fast, you know,
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cause we'd be swollen. For sure, yeah.
Ohhhhh My God. That was worth it.
But you were authentic. I think that's what it was, I
think because, yeah. Thing that you need girl there
for sure. You know, I, I saw the other
girls, they could be like. Yeah.
Fake, you know? Yeah, I can't do that.
(00:41):
I'm not. Yeah.
I mean, I am where I am. And if you have the opportunity
to jump out of a plane. I'm surprised you didn't say
brothel, so that's awesome. I didn't expect that, yeah.
Well, that would be smart to say, huh?
Yeah, for sure. But in your line of work at
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what's the most important skill or trait a person should have?
Patients. Will see a lot of people were
think beauty right there so so that's incredible because like I
said in an interview that you did it's sex is so just a little
thing of everything you girls doand you're literally taking care
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of the guy up psychology at the same time you're doing it at all
there and reading and reading the guy as well because he's not
always going to tell you everything he needs but you need
to figure it out there if you wanna keep him as a great client
there. Yeah, people would walk up to me
and go. You're famous and you don't walk
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up to someone famous and say you're famous.
You're saying to me every fucking time that you say you're
famous is you're famous and you're a fucking prostitute and
you're famous, you know, so I was getting slurred on That hurt
me. That dude that that cut every
time someone goes you're famous.I'm no better than and I'm no
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worse than anybody else on the planet and you just gotta drill
that into your head. I'm no better than, I'm no worse
than anyone else on the planet. Never compare yourself to others
because you're always going to come up short.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, that was a hard one.
Type of life, that is. True.
Yeah, my core is is I work off of competition and fear, and
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then we'll drive me to do anything.
So being a Madam at the alien cathouse really did it workout
like you wanna I would have thought that says they put you
in an authority you would have power, but you can't just give
authority to somebody and no power cause that's worthless.
It's. Like, you know, and it was like,
even if I could just, you know, now resigned myself to the fact,
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that's fine, I'll just use this as a gimmick, you know, the
Madam thing. And it's just, you know, those.
Yeah, just maybe. I went in like a steamroller and
I just put people off. Is there somebody that ever
asks, is that when you were working at the alien cathouse?
Is there anybody that asked an alien theme?
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Something fantasy. No, I had such.
Big I would have been like, I want to get abducted.
So I wanted to make an alien abduction worm celestial.
It was just gonna be so fun, man.
So that girl that ran her mouth and and guys are wired to want
young women. Yeah, to procreate.
They want, you know, wide hips and in small ways and and and
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young so they fertile seed and all this.
So guys are programmed and prewired to, to want youth and
um, and that just got thrown outthe window somewhere and now.
It's very dark or now. It's a lot darker, yeah.
Wonder where those 300,000 children are.
And I hate the fucking think about it.
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That's cause I had a Vic Lagina on.
He's a porn producer for browsers.
He was one of the biggest. And on the podcast he talked
about sex workers that they havetrouble opening bank accounts
because of their job. And I was, I was shocked.
I was like in my head, I'm like,isn't this one of the oldest
professions in the world? Why do you think these obstacles
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still fucking exist, and what doyou think are the biggest
challenges for for the rights? Of these people think account
got yanked too, but it was rightafter Nevada legalized
marijuana. So and even the lobbyists,
because we're in the capital city is Carson City.
We're right there. The marijuana lobbyists will
come to the Bunny ranch a lot and you know and these little
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fuckers I'm sure they they said,you know, they used us.
Will you have legal brothels andthey're not federal, you know,
but banks won't bank banks won'tdeal with marijuana either
because it's not federal. It's not federally accepted.
So right after they legalize marijuana, my bank that I had
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ran millions through wrote me and said that I needed to clear
out my account and they're closing my account as some girl
come in, it's GFE and she kissesand it was like it was always
taboo. You never kissed.
Yeah, because that's like the private.
Thing the kids and then somebodycomes in, they offer I text, I
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do this, you know, so you just add more and more and more that
you're trying to compete with that they're just giving up more
and more and more but now that trend is overnight.
Everybody wants an overnight. Pretty expensive.
Don't ask for an overnight because it's the most expensive
thing we have except for a couple days.
Yeah, for sure. It's the most expensive thing
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you can get in 24 hours basically.
An expert of porn addiction on and he talked about when when we
were kids, like 25 years ago, well what was like popular in
cartoons was hantai. So these these young people
grew. So now they just brought that
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into the porn and you can push that line of what is OK with the
3D and cartoons way way more because you could have a
monster. Having sex with a Princess,
Yeah. That's it.
So I I think the fact that that the creation of of the limit now
is just so further cause of hantai and all of this.
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He wanted me to pee on, OK that's cool.
But then he wanted to take some of the go so was going to go cup
for him and what he did is he put it on his hands and rubbed
it all over his hair. Oh my goodness.
Oh my God. I imagine.
I imagine like you sitting at home that night and you're like,
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I, I got paid to just pee out somebody.
Isn't that fucked up like Bing Bing a porn star, for example.
What you want is being the the most popular possible that
everybody knows you. But in the world of cortisone,
like a you can't be like, Ohi had this person all I had that
person. You can't.
So you're you're living in a way, like a secret life in a way
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on your side. But how the hell in that world
did you become famous? It's like it's a secret world in
a way, but it's like I'm tellingmyself this girl was so good
that the guy was like, bro, you got to call this girl.
Well, I do have a reputation of being like Michael Jordan is sex
OK? I can moniker that way early in
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my career that and that was thatwas the first thing I learned
was word of mouth advertising isthe best advertising.
So I would always tell people, you know, tell your friends,
right? And then I jumped on a vehicle
and see the girls that pick up on the new.
Trends. Trends, you know, Really.
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Oh yeah. Faster I was the girls that were
on the Internet with members sites.
They did really well at the ranch because they already had a
following. OK stripper.
The the stripper is important. Stars did really well.
They already had a following, right.
I did really, really well because I knew how to negotiate
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me. I give the parties see I picked
up on technology as far as websites and message boards go.
So I was the first one on and some of the message boards and
offering contests and things like that.
And then I just did all the gimmicky things.
I went to AVN and I walked that floor, man.
I walked that for some crazy outfits and heels and my feet
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hurt. Yeah, you better Remember Me.
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Welcome back in our Rumbling Facts podcast, where
Uncomfortable Truths collides with critical thinking to have a
raw, unfiltered conversations that spark real growth for the
real ones. This is your number one
destination to challenge the narrative, diving deep into
topics that most people are going to avoid.
And I'm your host, Sam, DJ RhettSam, I'm a rapper, creator,
truth seeker, and the founder ofMaking Others Read.
(09:40):
It's a nonprofit that I take books that people are gonna
fucking throw out and then give them back to the communities.
They can't afford these books because knowledge is power, and
books changed my life. So if I could change the life of
somebody with books, might as well do it.
Today's guest is a true pioneer,somebody who's life journey has
taken her from running away as ayoung woman, hitchhiking across
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the country and eventually serving in the Air Force to
becoming one of the most respected figures in the world.
And that most people don't fullyunderstand.
She's Air Force Amy, the Madame at the alien cathouse in Las
Vegas, A courtesan. That's how we say it.
A courtesan and outspoken advocate for sex worker rights,
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Amy has defied all the odds and shown that you can build a
career on your own terms, all while fighting for respect,
dignity and equal rights for thethose in that profession.
As a visionary behind a alien cathouse, she's brought a
creativity and uniqueness into the industry where those
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qualities are often overlooked because they only think about
sexuality. She's not just running a
business, people. She's breaking down stigmas,
advocating for people's rights, and shaping the future of sex
work in ways that most people don't even dare.
Welcome Dean AKA Air Force Amy, welcome to Rumbling basketball
guest. How you doing?
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But you know what? I'm not at that alien cat house
anymore. We're going to call you.
Twilight. Zone.
Where are you working now? I'm in between jobs I'm going to
offer, but I haven't started because what happened is I I
applied at the alien cathouse, right?
And the owner was like, he wanted to make me mad him
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instead, right. So, oh, great.
First I was like, man, how do you market alien aliens and sex?
They just don't go together, right.
There's nothing sexy about any alien image you've ever seen.
So you know how to, how to turn it into something sexy.
And, and, and, but then, then I,I just hit on the space theme,
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you know, so SpaceX and interstellar celestial.
And it really came to me. It was coming together really,
really well. And man, I wanted to run with
that. I wanted to run with that hard
that the owner just didn't understand that.
Well, he was just talking out ofboth sides of his mouth.
He gave the general, the managerall this power over here and he
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was trying to get, and I was supposed to have the same power
over here and um, and my hands were tied.
We wouldn't change any operatingprocedure.
It wouldn't change. Yeah, and the rough.
It was a rough group of girls. Probably because an industries
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like that it's competition between Moe's girls instead.
Of being a table rough. I mean just on the outside.
OK, wow. Really, really, they were
smoking in the building and the place I was just, you know, so
it would have taken a lot of change.
And So what really happened is the last place I had worked
before, there was the Chicken Ranch.
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Yeah. And there was a a cashier there
that got fired for fraternizing with the the the clients.
So she apparently went and got ajob at Alien Cathouse.
It's only 30 miles away. Yeah, because they're, they're
all right beside one of you one.Another.
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Yeah. So she was like, I think she was
embarrassed to be working as a working girl.
So when news got out that I was coming in as a Madam, she told
all three working girls that were working there.
She killed her husband poison, that I was going to fuck him
over and I was going to do this and that.
And I mean, she doesn't understand how how impactful and
(13:37):
how much harm those words causedme.
And she needs me to look up BoloHarley because I'm going to sue
you for defamation because she really affected everything that
went on at that place. So the the minds were poisoned
and they weren't changing. And my first day there, three
girls walked out. And then the next day on Friday.
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Is it cause you you were like a a bit famous before going in
that it was just a hassle for them?
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think because I was also still working
and a Madam, so they thought that I was going to take those
Madam privileges and use them togain for my own benefit.
And that was so it couldn't be further from the truth.
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You know, I'm always just helpedthe other girls.
I'm an open door policy. I mean, the minute we walked
through that door, we're in thistogether, you know, so, and I
just didn't even have a chance to, to preface myself at all.
So now, even now, so those girls, those three girls were
four girls quit and the owner was just like, fuck them.
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They were lazy anyhow. And he won't he's, he's not,
he's like 1 and done. You're not going to look there.
And these girls, they quit on a Friday night and they left just
two girls in the house. So you're not getting your job
back, right. So there's one girl like I got a
TPO I have to fill out right now.
There's one girl whose husband wants to kill me and he's making
like these communicating threats.
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This Phoenix your husband wants is he worked up near my house at
this age brush and he was communicating a threat and the
deputy sheriff was knocking on my door at 7:30 Sunday morning
going do you want to press charges?
I'm like what? You know, So I'm sure she told
him that I was the reason she quit and I and now she can't get
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shit. She's stuck out at some other
place and it was all my fault, you know?
So everything is all my fault, right?
So, um, yeah, so and, and it's just what became a dangerous
place to work. I'm, I'm what I'm saying these
girls are rough around the edges.
I'm telling you rough, OK? And you've been through rough
there. You've been through uncertainty
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when you were doing truck stops.Truck stops.
When you were. Younger and.
Yeah, you were still feeling it.Like like.
The. Hostility either.
I had to take one of my high heels and shove it underneath
the door to lock my last night there, to shut the door, to lock
the door. I was that.
Concerned. That's incredible.
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Have like windows, I mean, it had windows, but it didn't have
a fence around it. And so first legal brothel I
ever worked that didn't have a big iron fence around it.
OK, so there was no safety and it was in the in the parking
lot. And I'm of a convenience store
and truck stop, the Alien 51 Centre, and like 4000 people a
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day go through that thing and there's trucks there.
You know, the windows are right there in the parking lot.
Anyone could walk up there. I was like, this is too crazy.
Dangerous, man. This is crazy.
So. Yeah.
So. So you see the girl from
outside, that's what you mean. Yeah, you can see them framing.
OK, lights. Were open, you can see what I
was doing and wanna come in and and get some yeah.
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OK, so that man, that's crazy. It makes me think a bit of the
movies they showed us about Amsterdam, that there's a girl
in a window and you see her in advance before going in the
building. There he still had some type of
safety measures. There was no safety measures.
There was just crazy. I was out there and this general
manager she just I've never seenanything like this.
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Employees will dig themselves in.
I mean, especially if they're not, if they're just that got
everything set the way they wantit set, they're running the
place that they want it and they're actually really lazy and
incompetent, you know, and they're going to dig in, man.
And they'll do anything to keep that job because the way they on
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it, they don't have to work. There's they're smoothing her,
you know, so there was no move in that one.
And then I've seen it. I've seen it other places too,
you know, where there's an employee that just is really
inept, really, really inept. I guess it's hard to fire
people. I don't know, you have to pay
unemployment or something, but yeah, there's the employees in
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our industry that are just really dug in and they've got
the owners just bamboozled in. And yeah, so, you know, you'd
think that the customers would be the difficulty of my job.
Hmm, They're they're the reason.That.
Incredible, you know, and the, the, the cattiness and
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competitiveness and just the stuff that goes on with the
employees and the girls. It's just dramatic.
OK drama man. I was going through your story.
Your story is so fucking incredible because a lot of
people are going to take a trauma like you live at home and
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like literally let that thing pull you to hell all your life
and you ran away. You were like, fuck this shit.
I ain't dealing with that. And so while you're there,
you're you're crossing the country.
What was your, what was your goal right there?
What? Where were you trying to go?
First, the first place I wanted to go with Studio 54.
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God damn. OK.
You know, I had taken my man's best disco dress and some heels,
and I was gonna go to Studio 54,but, you know, I'm, like, 13
years old. Yeah.
Happened. So I just hit like, you know,
you, I, I try to remember the very first night, the very first
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truck I ever got up into, and I'm on Route 84 in Ohio and
there's this, there's a snow, you know, snow piled up on the
side of the freeway. It was like 6 foot snow bank.
And, and I don't even know what made me think to hitchhiking the
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truck. I think I'm, I think maybe I was
just gonna go hitchhike just to get out of town and I hadn't
decided it was going to be a truck, but a truck pulled over.
And man, you know, my situation was bad enough that I took, I
thought it would be OK and it would be better to climb up into
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this truck. And I'm telling you, when you're
on the side of a truck, if you get close to a truck, you see
nothing. Yeah, you're going blind, man.
It's just this big muffler over here and and these steps.
Door is so high over. You now, right?
And if you don't like what you see, you're going to jump back.
OK. But that didn't occur to me
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whatsoever. I mean, I had no idea.
It wasn't like getting into a car where you see the person
when you're going to open the door.
This is, you know, nothing. I don't know what possessed me
except that I mean pure fear of where I was coming from and this
had to be better. Yeah, or at least or at least
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less worse. Better than what I would face at
home. Wow, I got it.
And and and mind you all May I was beat that ass up.
My dad had bailed on me the night before and because OK, I
was getting ready. I was trying to run away and me
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and my girlfriend, we were, we got caught on the freeway,
right? There's more on one side of the
freeway and we see the cops coming.
So he runs over to the other side and you see them come and
we went over to the other side. Only they get us and they're
like, what are you doing? Where you going?
What is this? I'm like, we're in college and
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we're going back to Kent State University and our parents are
in Florida and and we spent all our money to get back to school.
So we're just hitchhiking you back and they're like, and you
look at us, we're thirteen yearsold and the cops like, ohk, OK,
what dormitories? They do.
And I said, oh, so just so tall.And he's like, that's an all
male dormitory. Get that?
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What the fuck? So it's like midnight and they
gotta call my parents down to the, you know, pick us up or
whatever. Oh my God.
And have court that night, the judges there.
And I'm just like, please, just keep me.
Please. You don't know what's going to
happen when I get home. Oh my God.
So please, please, please keep me.
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And he couldn't, he could have done truancy from home, truancy
from, well, not school yet, but home.
But no, I went home, my dad and he had these like sweet gloves,
but packed with like fleece on the inside.
And we had this cement porch andhe was just packing his hand,
his glove with snow and just boiling on my face.
Well, this is what you want to happen to you.
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This is what's gonna happen you so now when I'm getting up in
this truck the next day, becausethen and then my brother was
supposed to stay home and watch me and and I'm going out the
window again, right And the nextmorning I was like, yeah, I'm
gonna get the fuck outta here. Oh my God.
So I'm I'm hitchhiking. My face is blowing up like this,
right and I just got my dad being the shit out of me or
(23:11):
whatever story I said maybe, butI you know, I got to go and the
guy just keep dokie and then andI don't remember much.
Maybe I'd probably just slapped,you know, slept in iced.
I don't know if I iced or not, but you know, that's that's a
theme in my life. I know I saw, I saw 20 minutes
on off. And our starting point at 18,
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you meet this guy that tells youlike it, Like you're too pretty
to do this. Like, like, what the hell, You
shouldn't be living like this there.
And can you tell us what happened there?
After bouncing around and stopping here and ended up here
and there in the other place, I'm in a truck stop in New
Jersey and the kid goes, oh, you're too pretty to be out
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here. I'm going to take you home to my
boss. And so basically I was given to
this guy, you know, and he was asevere Vietnam veteran and, you
know, with his problems, alcoholic.
And that, that was good for me. That was OK with me because I
would. OK, I'll get my drink on.
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Yeah. Turned out to be just a mean
drunk. Yeah, but I did get my GED while
I was there. I got my GED and that's where I
joined the military from becausehe was like, you know, and I
kind of stayed in touch with my grandmother.
So he was like, hey, the states coming after me.
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I, I'm not paying. I refuse to pay child support.
I'm going to jail. You gotta figure something out.
You gotta go live with your grandmother or whatever, right?
Or go to the army. I was like, fine, I'll join the
Marines. So I go down there.
I'm like, you know, and I tested, I tested really high.
(24:59):
My scores were like incredible. I'm a good test taker, you know,
I'm a good test taker. You developed this, I guess I
developed this, this intuition and common sense that you just
normally wouldn't get as a humanbeing because of getting into
situation after situation, danger, danger after danger, and
you gotta size something. Up start figuring shit out for
(25:22):
sure. You know, and if you're you're
stuck in that situation, you gotta figure your way out, you
know? So I'm a good test taker and I
tested really high and I went sobut the Marines wouldn't take me
because I had a GED. So the Air Force was like, yeah,
we'll take you. I'm like OK Google.
(25:44):
So I was on a delayed listen. I hit the road for it for three
more months. I have to go show up until the
port in Texas, San Antonio, TX or Fort Worth, TX.
So how many years did you do in the Air Force?
Seven I. Think it's for it's four or six,
OK And I did an extra year for the they called the convenience
(26:07):
of the government. But what that is, is because I
spent my whole enlistment overseas instead of bringing me
to like San Francisco or San Diego and dropping me off at the
port, you're doing an extra yearstateside somewhere so that you
can get acclimated to being in the States and get your, you
know, gets get shit together. So and then after, when, when
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you you're done the Air Force, Iheard in another interview after
you're done the Air Force, when you were looking in retrospect,
how did you end up in brothels? You were like, wow, it's really
the trauma and addiction that was pulling that really made me
refal into the sex work in a way.
Yeah, yeah, cause this, you know, American military
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thinking, OK, and I'm gonna straighten up, size up.
Everything's gonna be square and, you know, and everything's
gonna be OK. And it just turned into another,
I got tossed around, you know, my, my, that face like a
football, you know. So there's just still was, you
know, all the same, the same oldstory, drinking and and and and
and sex, right. But yes, probably it was.
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I think it was a couple of wine coolers that made me decide to
go to the brothel. Yeah, I was thinking it was
like, I think it was like 6 winecoolers or something.
I was just like, fucker, yeah. So, So what made you decide at
when you go to the brothels to keep the Air Force in that name
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and put Amy there and be like, oh, I'm Air Force Amy now?
I didn't. So the first place I got to work
at Chicken Ranch, he wanted my name to be Susie.
So I don't know. Susie, not seller.
Susie OK. I guess it makes you like, I
don't know, Susie. So first place I worked out with
Susie, the second point, the 19,I changed my name to Bridget, I
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think Bridget. And when I got to the Bunny
Ranch, that's when I changed my name to Air Force Amy because,
um, I had worked at the Mustang Ranch and it subsequently got
close. It got shut down.
Like the IRS came in and tried to run it.
We were all like for the fuckingIRS, I'm outta here, you know?
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So I went down South and I was down there for a while.
Just really, really, really bad place.
Cherry Patch. It was just, it was so bad.
But then I went back NI went back up to back north and Bunny
Ranch and I noticed that the same guys that I would see at
the Mustang Ranch were walk-ins coming to the Bunny Ranch.
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There's only 30 miles away. And I was like, but so by then I
had changed my look considerably.
I had short red hair. Now I had long blonde hair and I
wanted the guys to remember. And if I had spent anytime,
yeah, with the guy at the Mustang, I would have talked
about being in the Sir in the Air Force, and then my name,
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Amy. So Air Force Amy.
And I wanted them to get it and understand that I was that Amy,
that I was Bridget. Brand herself.
Like Air Force Amy, I wanted them to recognize me.
So and that was just then. And I wanted to be Amazing Amy,
but there was a doll out at thattime called Amazing Amy, so I
couldn't do that. So it got to be it was Air Force
Amy. And the name is it's like
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McDonald's at the University of the documentary on McDonald's.
Take the name. Just this is golden.
Right when I, I, I saw that you really went in the Air Force and
that your nickname was Air ForceAmy.
I was like genius, genius. Like honestly, you get, you got,
you got to take what you got anddouble down on it.
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Like I went through the Air Force and now I'm doing this.
So for sure you put it in the name you brand yourself.
Yeah, there's no, there's other girls like there's there's a GI
Gen. and I don't know, this is funny.
After this, I don't know if it'sthe first or second documentary
(30:10):
of the Cat House series on HBO that I was in.
Amy Poehler. Actually, Amy Poehler and Tina
Fey actually did a skip pretending that they were girls
from the Bunny Ranch. And Amy Poehler played me, and
she was Coast Guard carry. Yeah, I can't find, and I used
to be able to find that clip, but I can't find it anywhere
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now. It's like the Internet got
scrubbed of a lot of stuff that we did at Bunny Ranch.
They're used like cat houses like in the 2006 to 2018,
something like 2018, the Internet shut down and all you
know are rated material. HBO dropped their late night,
(30:54):
Cinemax dropped their late night, everyone dropped all
their R rated and X-rated everything and a lot of stuff
got pulled off the web like we never even happened, never even
existed. So that that episode is pulled.
Joe Rogan came out to the Bunny Ranch several times when he was
on the The Man Show. OK, Yeah.
(31:17):
OK. And.
Did you get to meet him? He was a famous like he is now.
Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I did a couple things.
I did a um 11 skit was we were watching Pretty Woman together.
Was like all of us watching Pretty Woman.
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And then another one was he tookus out to shopping.
Yeah, after Pretty Woman, it wasat A at a, a thrift store.
So I mean, that was, you know, so and that was really, really,
really, really almost impossible.
It's not listed on Amazon or or YouTube.
It's not listed as an episode. It's hidden.
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You really, really, really have to dig to find it.
So yeah, a lot of our stuff we just like.
And now I've just witnessed likemy third legal brothel get
bulldozed down. Yeah, that's crazy.
I thought love ranch N get bulldozed.
Old bridge got bulldozed. Kit can't bulldoze all these
places I worked. It's just like it's a piece of
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your history. It's like trying to erase me.
I'm you can't erase me. I'm really happened.
For sure, and and when we check out like you did photo shoots
all your life there, man, looking like for picture
pictures and like see your life a bit in a in a picture.
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My goodness, like any kind of costume, like you're at a sort
of boy. I'm like, wow, this girl is all
over. And there was one in particular.
I found it so awesome that you're on the beach with a the
huge American flag there and thethe the the top in American.
Really, really. Summer.
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It's a really awesome and there was one with a full of.
Fish, but they do. It looks good on the photo but
for sure the girl with the crab on that day.
They just did that. Six months was 8 months ago.
I have a dissection of the podcast that I'm gonna ask you
questions of critical thinking and, and about your, your life
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or your, your career and that we'll see where you go with
this. What's a one of the most
misunderstood aspects of workinga legal brothel that most people
get wrong? Um, hmm.
(33:42):
That were dirty. I was gonna say the same for for
that answer, because most peoplethink that and when I looked it
up, you the girl leaves the building, gets tested and she
can't come back in until the tests have come back.
Good. So it's so like a perfectly
safe. But yeah, most people think that
like idiots and don't do their research.
Can you share an instance to a when your intuition or gut
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feeling made you to made you change a particular decision in
your life? Well, I'm working on that right
now. Perfect.
Yeah, I'm really processing somethings.
My gut tells me no, but then, then I, you know, I, I have
(34:28):
conversations with Brock AI on Twitter, right?
And, and we're working out and I'm I'm working on my memoir
right now. It's been a year that you're
working on it. I know.
I know it's not the rush you, but it's cause I heard an
interview of last year and I waslike, and you, you said that you
were working on it and when the guy was like what, what, when
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does it come out? You know, I don't know yet.
Yeah, I just had. I'm doing a rewrite on the
proposal. It totally changed.
It shifted from one Mohammed arcand how I was going to be
portrayed in it to and totally new one, right?
And so even pulling these stories out, it's really hard
(35:10):
because I bury them, you know, for unsavory story and
everything and trauma, those getput up in the box, you know, and
you don't. And I'm pull them.
Down. I know you don't.
Fuck it, you leave it. There, I tried that with EMDR
triggered at the shooting at theBunny Ranch.
I got triggered my PTSD and started EMDR and we we got over
(35:33):
that hump and then she wanted to, you know, get some other
things and my world got dark real fast.
I was like, yeah, I can't do this, but this shit bag, you
have me. So yeah, that's what the memoirs
taken a bit, taken a while. So just got like $20,000.
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And, and you, you had such a a huge career that that spans
decades about doing so many different things that for sure
that memory can't take just six months and bang, bang, done
that. For sure.
It's normal there. And you really want to get a
memoir right when you're doing it.
So it's normal that you're taking the time.
And I think that's the best there.
Can you name us? No, go ahead.
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That I have to resign to the fact that doesn't you know, it
needs to sell. So you know you're not gonna get
everything in anything you want in it.
It's not gonna be your title youwant it's gonna be so itself,
you know, so that's what that but I have and.
Let's not kid ourselves. Yeah, name, Name two things that
(36:37):
people should try at least once in their life. 4 Wheeling OK and
um and if you have the opportunity to jump out of a
(36:58):
plane. I'm surprised didn't say
brothel, so that's awesome like that.
Yeah, well, that would be smart.Just say, huh?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. But in your line of work at
what's the most important skill or trait a person should have?
Patience. Will see a lot of people were
(37:20):
think beauty right there so so that's incredible because like I
said in an interview that you did it's sex is so just a little
thing of everything you girls doand you're literally taking care
of the guy up psychology at the same time you're doing it at all
there and reading and reading the guy as well because he's not
(37:41):
always going to tell you everything he needs but you need
to figure it out there if you wanna keep him as a great client
there. Yeah, yeah.
What people, most people ask me what I do, I say I, I give
confidence, I give, I console and I validate and I give hope.
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That's what I do. And that is beautiful.
So being a Madam at the alien cathouse really did it work out
like you wanted? I would have thought that says
they put you in an authority, you would have power, but you
can't just give authority to somebody and no power cause
that's worthless. It's.
Like it was like, even if I could just, you know, now resign
(38:26):
myself to the fact, that's fine.I'll just use this as a gimmick,
you know, the Madam thing. And it's just, you know, those.
Yeah, just maybe I went in like a steamroller and I just put
people off. I don't know.
But you know, God's got a plan. It's not always my plan.
(38:47):
Can can you share some? Like, walk us through a normal
day-to-day age for legal courtesan and how many clients
can she see in a day, really? This depends on where you're
working at. OK, like where they have had a
lot of traffic, like say at the Mustang Ranch, I think they
still have a lot of traffic because they're right there on
the freeway. They're on Hwy. 80.
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Yeah, actually, even alien cat houses right there with all
those those tourists, you reallyonly see three people.
They. You know, 30 years ago at the
Mustang Ranch, we'd see 20 people a day.
Ohhh shit. You know, they had thousands of
people coming through that door.God damn, And that's a lot of
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showers on that day. My.
Goodness we we sit and sits fast, you know, cause we'd be
swollen. For sure, yeah.
Ohhhhh My God. Yeah.
What are keys to make a client feel comfortable and value and
understand like what he needs tobe the best cortison for him
(39:49):
since they don't always tell youeverything up front.
I think maybe one of the best treats to have actually, again
as a cortisone intuition. Yeah, I'm very intuitive and I
can read a person like a like a book immediately and and I just
do what I think. They only hope I don't get the
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emails mixed up. OK, I hope it's a guy at once.
I mean, Brooke Taylor, we had this guy which he wanted to be
tied and every which way but loose, you know, So we got yards
and yards and yards. I don't know how many feet of
tied him up and all these different ways.
(40:34):
Like I had a pulley system going.
Everything I think I've done. No, I was like, OK, what do you
wanna do now? He's like, I don't know, you
guys decided. You guys, you been running the
show, all of us. And I was like, well, what did
you think? How did you think you wanted to,
you know, finish after you were all tied up?
Because I didn't want to be tiedup with what?
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You are just going along with the ride the whole time and then
the other like so how do you wanna finish this?
The couple times there's anotherguy that said that he wanted to
be, he wanted me to be aggressive.
And then I got like really crazyaggressive and, and, and, and I
had a room that was like this far away from the parlor and I
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was going to make him walk down the parlor with the scoop of
glasses. Anything really.
Stop, stop, stop. Man, this is the one I wanted.
I didn't want any of this. Are more or men more complicated
or more simple than people think?
Men are simple. Yeah, at Name something men want
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and that people would be surprised about.
Tenderness. I have an uncomfortable truth
section, so I was gonna ask you uncomfortable truths of life or
your career. But what's an uncomfortable
truth about human nature that your career has shown you?
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Um, human nature, man. There's just there's, there's
givers and takers. There are really takers out
there that will take from the givers.
Absolutely A A. Right on your forehead, man.
They just take, take, take. Yeah, right.
When they see that person is so good hearted is gonna give a
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lot. They're like OHP instead of
being like, wow, what a great person.
They're like, oh, let's take everything that she got.
Doing this for dumbness I guess.What's something about the
brothel community community thatyou feel could be better
understood or improved? I think a 5050 cut man, I think,
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I think that the brothel model was put into place, This legal
brothel model was put into place, you know, 60 years ago,
55 years ago. And the guy that did it, Joe
Conforti, got exiled from the country.
OK. Maybe it doesn't work in the, in
the in the independent contractors favor, maybe not,
you know? Uh, what's an aspect of brothels
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work that you feel is misrepresented by movies or
media? Hmm, that it's glamorized, you
know, it's Pretty Woman and you get gifts and.
Me and me initially there because I never checked it out
(43:31):
online before. I knew it had something to do
with being an escort or, or cortisone there in a brothel.
But I, I, I at first thought that a brothel was like those
chick glory hole house. That's what I like.
That's what I would have thought.
And then when I did my research,I saw those are completely two
different things there. And you guys are at least
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there's way more test than everything to to protect the
individuals that is quite good there because.
Well, you know, there's consensual sex workers and non
consensual sex workers and the non consensual sex workers those
could portrayed in movies and and you see the girls being
drugged and and you know, seeing20 gotten guys a day and and and
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non consensual. Yeah.
When it comes to consensual now,we didn't actually be
consensual, become consensual until about 2000 in the 2000s.
Wow. So, yeah, the first ten years in
biology, years before that, there was a house minimum and we
had to do it. You know, if you didn't do it,
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somebody else didn't, you and your money went on their bugs.
There were, there were fines, there were, there were
consequences. So you really weren't an
independent contractor. You had to do something, you
know. So, yeah.
So that that changed for me, that changed that at the Bunny
Ranch, I was doing a low dollar client that was being mean to
(44:58):
them because the last place I worked prior to there, they the
guy didn't care if you're real. You know, I got, I have retired.
I haven't, I don't give a damn if they ever come back.
Get everything they got. So and so I got in trouble for
doing for being mean to the customers and these small dollar
parties. And so they told me, well, don't
do these small dollar you can't do anything under 200 ever
(45:18):
again. That's it.
And so it worked out better. Yeah, since you're saying that
the industry evolve, how has therole of being a legal courtesan
changed over the years, especially with the rise of
platforms like Only Fans and Pornhub that it's like almost
free or 5 bucks and you're literally.
So how has the the brothel changed since then?
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Well, this is so we have to Mark.
We have, I mean, when I was at at Alien, I was gonna hire girls
I didn't hire. I didn't want to hire one that
didn't have a that couldn't workon mine.
I didn't want the girls to rely only on the walk-ins.
I wanted you to be able to well,actually, girls that could
(46:03):
write. Those were the girls I'm going
to 1st. Those girls that could write
because we're on an online offsite business now.
And if you can write and you don't even have to be able to
write nowadays, you can use a I use Grammarly, but be able to
pick up these tools to be able to advertise yourself online.
Wow, we're not allowed to advertise.
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So you see, I don't have any followers anywhere.
It's because I sesta fosta anything that results in the
sale of sex is not allowed on itanywhere on the Internet.
You're getting censored. So yeah, I'm censored.
So and I get yanked, I get hold all the time.
So I really don't put a great deal of effort into my social
media cause it's gonna get. Pulled.
(46:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, it's like why we're
for something that you guys are just gonna tip off like tip to
make it fall. Like I me, I was shocked about
this because I had a Vic Lagina on.
He's a porn producer for browsers.
He was one of the biggest. And on the podcast, he talked
about sex workers, that they have trouble opening bank
accounts because of their job. And I was I was shocked.
(47:07):
I was like, in my head, I'm like, isn't this one of the
oldest professions in the world?Why do you think these obstacles
still fucking exist? And what do you think are the
biggest challenges for for the rights of?
People think you count got yanked too, but it was right
after Nevada legalized marijuana.
So and even the lobbyists, because we're in the capital
(47:29):
city as Carson City where it there the marijuana lobbyists
would come to the Bunny ranch a lot and you know, and these
little fuckers, I'm sure they they said, you know, they used
us. Will you have like Broncos and
they're not federal, you know, but banks won't bank.
Banks won't deal with marijuana either because it's not federal,
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It's not federally accepted. So right after they legalize
marijuana, my bank that I had ran millions through, um, wrote
me and said that I needed to clear out my account and they're
closing my account. And the general manager at one
of these banks was like my sponsor in AA and you were very,
(48:11):
very, very well. And so I asked this, well, how
could they do that? And they have this canned
answer. Where are we making close your
account? Just like you can close your
account. Nobody would.
Everybody gave me that can't answer.
And so and, and, and I just realized, you know what?
It's it's because I'm a sex worker illegal.
That's just the I mean, nobody differentiates between legal and
(48:32):
prostitute. I had to fight for years on
Wikipedia and Google search to put legal in front of prostitute
and I haven't even told them to put pull my page on Wikipedia
because they I mean if you look at the talk chat, those people
hate me fucking hate me. Like well, pull the page man.
I didn't ask for it. I'm not trying to advertise
(48:53):
here. You fuckers are putting in half
through sub there and and barely, you know, make this page
and yeah. Like being being a porn star,
for example, what you want is being the the most popular
possible that everybody knows you.
But in the world of cortisone, like a, you can't be like, Ohi
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had this person or I had that person.
You can't. So you're you're living in a
way, like a secret life in a wayon your side.
But how the hell in that world did you become famous?
It's like it's a secret world ina way.
But it was like, I'm telling myself this girl was so good
that the guy was like, bro, you gotta call those girls.
(49:34):
Well, I do have a reputation of being like Michael Jordan of
sex. OK, monitored that way early in
my career that and that was thatwas the first thing I learned
was word of mouth advertising isthe best advertising.
So I would always tell people, you know, tell your friends,
right? And then I jumped on a vehicle
and see the girls that pick up on the new.
(49:58):
Trends. Trends, you know, Really.
Oh yeah. Faster the girls that were on
the Internet with members sites,they did really well at the
ranch because they already had afollowing.
OK, stripper. The the stripper is important.
Stars did really well. They already had a following,
(50:20):
right. I did really, really well
because a I knew how to negotiate bi good parties.
See, I picked up on technology as far as websites and message
boards go. So I was the first one on some
of the message boards and offering contests and things
like that. And then I just did all the
gimmicky things. I went to AVN and I walked that
(50:42):
floor, man. I walked that for some crazy
outfits and heels and my feet. Hurt.
You better Remember Me. Of print, you know, just
carried. So that's how I kind of got me
was in that area. But then the one of the biggest
vehicles was Cat House, HBO and I really like it.
I really didn't think I was memorable or anyone had any
(51:02):
interest in me at all. And that's how my whole career
was. I was always told that I was
really famous, but never felt it.
You know, I've always felt that Isabella Soprano got the most
play out of Out of Cat House or Sunset Thomas and I was just
like, help I get one customer out of this, then it was worth
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it. But you were authentic.
I think that's what it was, I think because, yeah.
Thing that unique girl there forsure.
You know, I, I saw the other girls, they could be like OHS.
Yeah. Fake everything.
I can't do that. I'm not.
Yeah. I mean, I am where I am.
(51:47):
Yeah, I saw that you mentioned there was a on another podcast
that that you saw a shift in in human sexuality over the years,
like maybe maybe like a a what guys wanted or or their finish
was. How did that change over the
years? Got guys, it seems to me and
(52:09):
it's been my experience that guys will want what's big in
porn at the time. So like when next hardcore was
out there choking, yeah, guys want to smack your ass and choke
you, you know, get and have hardcore sex with you and that's
not working. And then then the GFE became a
(52:30):
big the hype for it, you know? Yeah.
Well what happens is the girls in the industry will try and
sell what they can make the mostmoney at.
Yeah, yeah. So, so they're just looking at
the trends and, and, and go withit because these guys are are
are just already on the boat of that trends like going.
(52:52):
Yeah, so, yeah, so. So some girl come in and some
GFE and she kisses and it was like it was always taboo.
You never kissed. Yeah, because that's like the
private. Thing, the kiss and then
somebody comes in the offer and they offer always just a text
more, more and more that you're trying to compete with that.
They're just giving up more and more and more.
(53:13):
But now the trend is overnight. Everybody wants an overnight.
Pretty expensive. Don't ask for an overnight
because it's the most expensive thing we have except for a
couple of days. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's the most expensive thing you can get in 24 hours
basically. So and I don't want to shoot you
(53:33):
down right away and say no, I can't do it.
You know, once you shoot off of the smaller piece and then let's
see if we can turn it into an overnight, you know, and um, but
now what I'm seeing, which really bothers me is like when
Britney Spears was I'll I'll be that schoolgirl was all in
right. Yeah, So schoolgirl is one
(53:54):
thing. And, and, and guys are wired to
want young women to procreate. They want, you know, wide hips
and small waist and and and young so they fertile seed and
all this. So guys are programmed and pre
wired to to want youth and um, and that just got thrown out the
(54:15):
window somewhere and now. It's very dark or now.
It's a lot darker, yeah. Wonder where those 300,000
children are. And I hate the fucking think
about it. Really, And I, I, I had a, a guy
of an expert of porn addiction on and he talked about when,
when we were kids, like 25 yearsago, well, what was like popular
(54:39):
in in cartoons was hantai. So these these young people
grew. So now they just brought that
into the porn and you can push that line of what is OK with the
3D and cartoons way way more because you could have a
monster. Having sex with Apprentice.
Yeah, that's it. So I I think the fact that that
(55:03):
the creation of of the limit nowis just so further cause of
hanti and all of this. As you mentioned that the hentai
do you think is a subversion subtechnique out of China?
Uh, or Japan? Japan.
Yeah, I think it's Japan. Uh, most of it's coming out of
it because they have no really laws about it.
(55:24):
It's quite incredible. So right when I saw me online,
because I watched porn, because I'm a dude, and when I saw that
that like the Hanti was become so popular, I was like, what the
hell? Why?
Like why would you want to see acartoon instead of the real
beautiful woman? And like the first site I went,
I didn't even need to click a video.
I was understanding like, oh shit, OK, you have like, like a
(55:46):
dog. Yeah, that's it.
It's a fantasy. They.
Push that real sex is not attractive.
That's it. It becomes not attractive or.
Not attractive. Real sex isn't attractive to me.
You know, it's just, it feels good.
But I mean, he said it looked good.
It's just body parts are you don't fucking look good, OK?
(56:08):
So I I have A5 quick ones with like a quick answers and then I
have a one last question and what is the most common
addiction associated with this industry?
Well, now it's weed. Weed, yeah, at least it's less
work, it's less worse I. Think than cocaine but over 7
(56:30):
years coming up on May 11th. Congratulations.
I'm one of the people that I can't take anything that affects
me from the neck up. Nothing.
Nothing. Not one value, not one weed, not
one anything that will change myyou know.
Who you are? Anything that gets behind
anyway, so and most addicts are like that.
(56:52):
So when people are like out Thursday, woo, I quit doing math
and and, and and I'm reborn and and this is my platform.
But really they're still drink and they're still doing and
they're talking. So all these people that are
like me, everyone that's an addict that really can't take
anything from the nightclub is still in that path of
(57:13):
destruction because you just really can't take anything.
So now, and, and I think the weird thing has just, it's just
something that our government isgiving you another way to just
destroy yourself and become dependent on the government.
Absolutely. You know, and we didn't know
different than drinking. Come on, you know.
(57:34):
I saw in another interview that that that you said that a lot
like at least 80% of girls that you think that are coming into
the sex industry will have a child trauma from abuse or, or
somebody that why. Why do you why do you think that
that that's the outlet they findinstead of like something
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completely not that there? Well, I think sex was devalued
for them. Sex was devalued.
It didn't know it wasn't. It wasn't worth.
It wasn't precious anymore. It wasn't something you saved
yourself from marriage. It wasn't saying it wasn't
sacred. It was just, you know, and for
someone to take that from you, you just kind of, I don't know
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how it gets wired into the brainthat you just, I don't know.
Good question. I, I had a, a girl on that was
addicted to meth when she was a kid and became a judge after
like a fucking a huge career andshe was abused as a child and,
and when she was abused later inlife, she she was an, and also
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like she was, since she was an addict to drugs, her exchanging
sex for drugs was just OK or whatever.
Like like whatever, like this isnot worth anything for me
anymore. And that's exactly like what you
said goes after somebody just takes that, that innocence out
of you. Well, you're like, well,
whatever, one more. Generally no one there to save
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you and you know, punish the badguy and and nurture innocent.
You know, you're just, you're just, you're throwing out, you
throw the baby out with the bathwater and you're just
damaged goods. You know nobody in and nobody
ever nurtured you had fixed thatfor you.
Hmm. Is there somebody that ever asks
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is that when you were working atthe alien cathouse?
Is there anybody that asked an alien theme?
Something fantasy. No, I had such.
Big I would have been like, I wanna get abducted.
So I wanted to make an alien abduction worm celestial.
It was just gonna be so fun, man.
So that girl that ran her mouth,that Harley she fucked showed up
(59:48):
for me. I'm gonna sue the fuck out of
her for defamation cause it really destroyed some business
plans. And now I got someone that wants
to kill me because the other girl left there.
So yeah, she needs to get taughta lesson now.
You just can't run your mouth about people.
You just can't because you really can do some real damage.
And she did some damage to my career and.
And yeah, I'm coming for you. What's what's one of the most
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strangest things a guy ever asked for?
Um, will always for me strain. Ohk, OK, guy.
He he wanted me to pee on right,OK, that's cool.
But then he wanted to take some to go.
So just wanted to go cup for himand what he did is he put it on
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his hands and rubbed it all overhis hair.
Oh my goodness. Oh my God.
I imagine. I imagine like you sitting at
home that night and you're like,I, I got paid to just pee out
somebody. Isn't that fucked up?
Guy he was, he was a disabled veteran and he lived in like a
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disabled veterans quarters or something up in in Reno.
And he was telling me about how they would stick a needle in
his, in his penis and he'd go the whole time you would with
me. He said I wish I had a horse
cock, wish he had a horse. And I had just some checking I
want and just some checking to find out if he was being abused
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or not. Well, that, that, that is
something else, my friends. Like going down.
Now I'm doing Tales from the Crib.
I gotta write that one down. Right, that one.
I've got. You you've been in a world that
many consider taboo and a stigmatized.
What advice would you give for somebody who feels judged about
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their career or their relationship choices?
And why I put that question thatway.
It's because a lot of girls thatlike allow their men to sleep
with other girls there Well, aregetting crucified by other girls
because they had they did that choice.
And so that's why I I put that question like that, like for
unique careers and unique relationship, like what?
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What advice would you? Give them I'm, I've, I've lived
with stigma my whole life, Man is and it's a it's a, it's a,
it's a motherfucker. You know, you could just be
like, you know, just living yourlife, doing good, did the best
things for people. And then someone just comes up
and backhands you with, you know, and I'll, I'll get back to
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this in a minute. But um, OK, so people would walk
up to me and go, you're famous. And you don't walk up to someone
famous and say you're famous. You're saying to me every
fucking time that you say you'refamous is you're famous and
you're a fucking prostitute and you're famous, you know, so I
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was getting slurred on that hurtme.
That dude that that cut every time someone goes you're famous.
It's like, yeah, that's a cut. So you have to, um, there's
stigma. You just go.
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I'm no better than and I'm no worse than anybody else on the
planet and you just gotta drill that into your head.
I'm no better than, I'm no worsethan anyone else on the planet.
Never compare yourself to othersbecause you're always going to
come up short. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that was a hard one. Yeah, that's a hard truth.
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Yeah, my core is is I work off of competition and fear and then
we'll drive me through anything,you know, that helping others
that that's a good driver for metoo.
But yeah, comparing yourself. And then when it comes to
stigma, there's the thing we do in a called the Sick Man's
(01:03:46):
Prayer. OK.
And you can look it up. OK, I will.
You know, and you and it's just,you know, if somebody personally
hurts you, offends you and you have a resentment you can't get
over these to pray for that person for two weeks straight
(01:04:08):
every day that they get whateverthey want, you know, and by time
a week is like we forgot all about it.
Wow, I love it. I love it.
Instead of like cursing the guy,you're just sitting all the love
and positive positivity. I I like that you're thinking
now working everybody find you. You're probably not on all the
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platforms. So where can people find you if
they wanna check your stuff out and everything?
Air Force amy.com, I'd love to announce where I'm going to
work, but it seems like such a demotion because we decide I'm
getting hired as a matter. But we decided that we wouldn't
put that Madam title on there sothat I wouldn't get the hassle
like I get the house from the other.
(01:04:51):
So wherever you know, whenever Icome up on this website, it's
gonna look like a huge demotion that I'm not a mad emotion.
Just went back to work. So I'm posting that around, man.
I don't know if I want to, you know, But then then you gotta
look at, well, that's just ego, ego, you know, who gives a shit?
That's just your ego. And I think it's better you pass
under the radar with these girlsso they don't go all after you.
(01:05:14):
Haters gonna hate. Yeah, but I've already found it,
this new place that they don't want a lot of change either.
So what I have found out is thatemployers want yes men.
Yeah. And that was what was different
about Dennis. He we could complain to him
about something, but you have a solution.
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OK, Don't just complain. Yeah, Bring your solution and
you bring that guy. Bring him solutions.
And God damn, he implemented them.
You know, so other people that Idon't know, they just don't know
how to manage or don't want to take the time.
And it's just everything's the way it is and, you know, it
works. Don't upset the apple cart.
(01:05:55):
So I just don't want to work foranybody else.
Archer. I gotta make the memoir, the
drama and and I'm turning my sight into a member site and
there's going to be Air Force Amy dot Club and it's going to
be cool because I mean, I have as I was shooting, I'm I'm doing
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a docu series. I got some kids out of LA UCLA
film school and we started writing our filming my docu
series. And as I started going through
my memorabilia and everything, I'm like, man, I'd love to put
this up on a site. And I wanted to do it with only
fans and call it, you know, it'sonly fans.
And my fans could see me with, you know, all these.
But only fans wouldn't let me put up a picture of me and
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Howard Stern or me and Jenny Young because they would have
to. I'm the only fancy.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Well, I cannot put anybody, so that was useless.
So I have to turn my ice. I'm gonna turn myself into a
member site and like 20 bucks a month and, and start just
releasing all these, these memorabilia, you know, and then
sell the books. So that's awesome.
(01:07:03):
So at base again for coming on, it was so amazing.
A lot of people like don't even know this world.
So having a a famous person likeyou hate hearing on and like
under understanding like the bowels of this brothel there,
it's a really amazing. So thanks again for coming on.
To your local brothel worker, OK?
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Because we don't have brothels together.
These brothels, because their life is rosy.
There's something that got him to that door.
OK, they need a quick fix of something.
Something's gone wrong and they need to fix it.
And at this looks like their best route.
Then you know what? Have some.
Have some compassion for those. Absolutely because we never know
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what some somebody else is goingthrough.
So thanks everybody and have a great weekend.
Thank you.
Really only see three people. Playing.
You know, 30 years ago at the Mustang Ranch, we'd see 20
people a day. OHP, shit.
You know, they had thousands of people coming through that door.
God damn, And that's a lot of showers on that day.
Oh my goodness. We we sit, sits fast, you know,
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cause we'd be swollen. For sure, yeah.
Ohhhhh My God. That was worth it.
But you were authentic. I think that's what it was, I
think because, yeah. Thing that you need girl there
for sure. You know, I, I saw the other
girls, they could be like. Yeah.
Fake, you know? Yeah, I can't do that.
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I'm not. Yeah.
I mean, I am where I am. And if you have the opportunity
to jump out of a plane. I'm surprised you didn't say
brothel, so that's awesome. I didn't expect that, yeah.
Well, that would be smart to say, huh?
Yeah, for sure. But in your line of work at
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what's the most important skill or trait a person should have?
Patients. Will see a lot of people were
think beauty right there so so that's incredible because like I
said in an interview that you did it's sex is so just a little
thing of everything you girls doand you're literally taking care
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of the guy up psychology at the same time you're doing it at all
there and reading and reading the guy as well because he's not
always going to tell you everything he needs but you need
to figure it out there if you wanna keep him as a great client
there. Yeah, people would walk up to me
and go. You're famous and you don't walk
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up to someone famous and say you're famous.
You're saying to me every fucking time that you say you're
famous is you're famous and you're a fucking prostitute and
you're famous, you know, so I was getting slurred on That hurt
me. That dude that that cut every
time someone goes you're famous.I'm no better than and I'm no
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worse than anybody else on the planet and you just gotta drill
that into your head. I'm no better than, I'm no worse
than anyone else on the planet. Never compare yourself to others
because you're always going to come up short.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, that was a hard one.
Type of life, that is. True.
Yeah, my core is is I work off of competition and fear, and
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then we'll drive me to do anything.
So being a Madam at the alien cathouse really did it workout
like you wanna I would have thought that says they put you
in an authority you would have power, but you can't just give
authority to somebody and no power cause that's worthless.
It's. Like, you know, and it was like,
even if I could just, you know, now resigned myself to the fact,
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that's fine, I'll just use this as a gimmick, you know, the
Madam thing. And it's just, you know, those.
Yeah, just maybe. I went in like a steamroller and
I just put people off. Is there somebody that ever
asks, is that when you were working at the alien cathouse?
Is there anybody that asked an alien theme?
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Something fantasy. No, I had such.
Big I would have been like, I want to get abducted.
So I wanted to make an alien abduction worm celestial.
It was just gonna be so fun, man.
So that girl that ran her mouth and and guys are wired to want
young women. Yeah, to procreate.
They want, you know, wide hips and in small ways and and and
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young so they fertile seed and all this.
So guys are programmed and prewired to, to want youth and
um, and that just got thrown outthe window somewhere and now.
It's very dark or now. It's a lot darker, yeah.
Wonder where those 300,000 children are.
And I hate the fucking think about it.
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That's cause I had a Vic Lagina on.
He's a porn producer for browsers.
He was one of the biggest. And on the podcast he talked
about sex workers that they havetrouble opening bank accounts
because of their job. And I was, I was shocked.
I was like in my head, I'm like,isn't this one of the oldest
professions in the world? Why do you think these obstacles
(04:16):
still fucking exist, and what doyou think are the biggest
challenges for for the rights? Of these people think account
got yanked too, but it was rightafter Nevada legalized
marijuana. So and even the lobbyists,
because we're in the capital city is Carson City.
We're right there. The marijuana lobbyists will
come to the Bunny ranch a lot and you know and these little
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fuckers I'm sure they they said,you know, they used us.
Will you have legal brothels andthey're not federal, you know,
but banks won't bank banks won'tdeal with marijuana either
because it's not federal. It's not federally accepted.
So right after they legalize marijuana, my bank that I had
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ran millions through wrote me and said that I needed to clear
out my account and they're closing my account as some girl
come in, it's GFE and she kissesand it was like it was always
taboo. You never kissed.
Yeah, because that's like the private.
Thing the kids and then somebodycomes in, they offer I text, I
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do this, you know, so you just add more and more and more that
you're trying to compete with that they're just giving up more
and more and more but now that trend is overnight.
Everybody wants an overnight. Pretty expensive.
Don't ask for an overnight because it's the most expensive
thing we have except for a couple days.
Yeah, for sure. It's the most expensive thing
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you can get in 24 hours basically.
An expert of porn addiction on and he talked about when when we
were kids, like 25 years ago, well what was like popular in
cartoons was hantai. So these these young people
grew. So now they just brought that
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into the porn and you can push that line of what is OK with the
3D and cartoons way way more because you could have a
monster. Having sex with a Princess,
Yeah. That's it.
So I I think the fact that that the creation of of the limit now
is just so further cause of hantai and all of this.
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He wanted me to pee on, OK that's cool.
But then he wanted to take some of the go so was going to go cup
for him and what he did is he put it on his hands and rubbed
it all over his hair. Oh my goodness.
Oh my God. I imagine.
I imagine like you sitting at home that night and you're like,
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I, I got paid to just pee out somebody.
Isn't that fucked up like Bing Bing a porn star, for example.
What you want is being the the most popular possible that
everybody knows you. But in the world of cortisone,
like a you can't be like, Ohi had this person all I had that
person. You can't.
So you're you're living in a way, like a secret life in a way
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on your side. But how the hell in that world
did you become famous? It's like it's a secret world in
a way, but it's like I'm tellingmyself this girl was so good
that the guy was like, bro, you got to call this girl.
Well, I do have a reputation of being like Michael Jordan is sex
OK? I can moniker that way early in
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my career that and that was thatwas the first thing I learned
was word of mouth advertising isthe best advertising.
So I would always tell people, you know, tell your friends,
right? And then I jumped on a vehicle
and see the girls that pick up on the new.
Trends. Trends, you know, Really.
(07:56):
Oh yeah. Faster I was the girls that were
on the Internet with members sites.
They did really well at the ranch because they already had a
following. OK stripper.
The the stripper is important. Stars did really well.
They already had a following, right.
I did really, really well because I knew how to negotiate
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me. I give the parties see I picked
up on technology as far as websites and message boards go.
So I was the first one on and some of the message boards and
offering contests and things like that.
And then I just did all the gimmicky things.
I went to AVN and I walked that floor, man.
I walked that for some crazy outfits and heels and my feet
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hurt. Yeah, you better Remember Me.
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Welcome back in our Rumbling Facts podcast, where
Uncomfortable Truths collides with critical thinking to have a
raw, unfiltered conversations that spark real growth for the
real ones. This is your number one
destination to challenge the narrative, diving deep into
topics that most people are going to avoid.
And I'm your host, Sam, DJ RhettSam, I'm a rapper, creator,
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(09:40):
It's a nonprofit that I take books that people are gonna
fucking throw out and then give them back to the communities.
They can't afford these books because knowledge is power, and
books changed my life. So if I could change the life of
somebody with books, might as well do it.
Today's guest is a true pioneer,somebody who's life journey has
taken her from running away as ayoung woman, hitchhiking across
(10:02):
the country and eventually serving in the Air Force to
becoming one of the most respected figures in the world.
And that most people don't fullyunderstand.
She's Air Force Amy, the Madame at the alien cathouse in Las
Vegas, A courtesan. That's how we say it.
A courtesan and outspoken advocate for sex worker rights,
(10:25):
Amy has defied all the odds and shown that you can build a
career on your own terms, all while fighting for respect,
dignity and equal rights for thethose in that profession.
As a visionary behind a alien cathouse, she's brought a
creativity and uniqueness into the industry where those
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qualities are often overlooked because they only think about
sexuality. She's not just running a
business, people. She's breaking down stigmas,
advocating for people's rights, and shaping the future of sex
work in ways that most people don't even dare.
Welcome Dean AKA Air Force Amy, welcome to Rumbling basketball
guest. How you doing?
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But you know what? I'm not at that alien cat house
anymore. We're going to call you.
Twilight. Zone.
Where are you working now? I'm in between jobs I'm going to
offer, but I haven't started because what happened is I I
applied at the alien cathouse, right?
And the owner was like, he wanted to make me mad him
(11:29):
instead, right. So, oh, great.
First I was like, man, how do you market alien aliens and sex?
They just don't go together, right.
There's nothing sexy about any alien image you've ever seen.
So you know how to, how to turn it into something sexy.
And, and, and, but then, then I,I just hit on the space theme,
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you know, so SpaceX and interstellar celestial.
And it really came to me. It was coming together really,
really well. And man, I wanted to run with
that. I wanted to run with that hard
that the owner just didn't understand that.
Well, he was just talking out ofboth sides of his mouth.
He gave the general, the managerall this power over here and he
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was trying to get, and I was supposed to have the same power
over here and um, and my hands were tied.
We wouldn't change any operatingprocedure.
It wouldn't change. Yeah, and the rough.
It was a rough group of girls. Probably because an industries
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like that it's competition between Moe's girls instead.
Of being a table rough. I mean just on the outside.
OK, wow. Really, really, they were
smoking in the building and the place I was just, you know, so
it would have taken a lot of change.
And So what really happened is the last place I had worked
before, there was the Chicken Ranch.
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Yeah. And there was a a cashier there
that got fired for fraternizing with the the the clients.
So she apparently went and got ajob at Alien Cathouse.
It's only 30 miles away. Yeah, because they're, they're
all right beside one of you one.Another.
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Yeah. So she was like, I think she was
embarrassed to be working as a working girl.
So when news got out that I was coming in as a Madam, she told
all three working girls that were working there.
She killed her husband poison, that I was going to fuck him
over and I was going to do this and that.
And I mean, she doesn't understand how how impactful and
(13:37):
how much harm those words causedme.
And she needs me to look up BoloHarley because I'm going to sue
you for defamation because she really affected everything that
went on at that place. So the the minds were poisoned
and they weren't changing. And my first day there, three
girls walked out. And then the next day on Friday.
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Is it cause you you were like a a bit famous before going in
that it was just a hassle for them?
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think because I was also still working
and a Madam, so they thought that I was going to take those
Madam privileges and use them togain for my own benefit.
And that was so it couldn't be further from the truth.
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You know, I'm always just helpedthe other girls.
I'm an open door policy. I mean, the minute we walked
through that door, we're in thistogether, you know, so, and I
just didn't even have a chance to, to preface myself at all.
So now, even now, so those girls, those three girls were
four girls quit and the owner was just like, fuck them.
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They were lazy anyhow. And he won't he's, he's not,
he's like 1 and done. You're not going to look there.
And these girls, they quit on a Friday night and they left just
two girls in the house. So you're not getting your job
back, right. So there's one girl like I got a
TPO I have to fill out right now.
There's one girl whose husband wants to kill me and he's making
like these communicating threats.
(15:04):
This Phoenix your husband wants is he worked up near my house at
this age brush and he was communicating a threat and the
deputy sheriff was knocking on my door at 7:30 Sunday morning
going do you want to press charges?
I'm like what? You know, So I'm sure she told
him that I was the reason she quit and I and now she can't get
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shit. She's stuck out at some other
place and it was all my fault, you know?
So everything is all my fault, right?
So, um, yeah, so and, and it's just what became a dangerous
place to work. I'm, I'm what I'm saying these
girls are rough around the edges.
I'm telling you rough, OK? And you've been through rough
there. You've been through uncertainty
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when you were doing truck stops.Truck stops.
When you were. Younger and.
Yeah, you were still feeling it.Like like.
The. Hostility either.
I had to take one of my high heels and shove it underneath
the door to lock my last night there, to shut the door, to lock
the door. I was that.
Concerned. That's incredible.
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Have like windows, I mean, it had windows, but it didn't have
a fence around it. And so first legal brothel I
ever worked that didn't have a big iron fence around it.
OK, so there was no safety and it was in the in the parking
lot. And I'm of a convenience store
and truck stop, the Alien 51 Centre, and like 4000 people a
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day go through that thing and there's trucks there.
You know, the windows are right there in the parking lot.
Anyone could walk up there. I was like, this is too crazy.
Dangerous, man. This is crazy.
So. Yeah.
So. So you see the girl from
outside, that's what you mean. Yeah, you can see them framing.
OK, lights. Were open, you can see what I
was doing and wanna come in and and get some yeah.
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OK, so that man, that's crazy. It makes me think a bit of the
movies they showed us about Amsterdam, that there's a girl
in a window and you see her in advance before going in the
building. There he still had some type of
safety measures. There was no safety measures.
There was just crazy. I was out there and this general
manager she just I've never seenanything like this.
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Employees will dig themselves in.
I mean, especially if they're not, if they're just that got
everything set the way they wantit set, they're running the
place that they want it and they're actually really lazy and
incompetent, you know, and they're going to dig in, man.
And they'll do anything to keep that job because the way they on
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it, they don't have to work. There's they're smoothing her,
you know, so there was no move in that one.
And then I've seen it. I've seen it other places too,
you know, where there's an employee that just is really
inept, really, really inept. I guess it's hard to fire
people. I don't know, you have to pay
unemployment or something, but yeah, there's the employees in
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our industry that are just really dug in and they've got
the owners just bamboozled in. And yeah, so, you know, you'd
think that the customers would be the difficulty of my job.
Hmm, They're they're the reason.That.
Incredible, you know, and the, the, the cattiness and
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competitiveness and just the stuff that goes on with the
employees and the girls. It's just dramatic.
OK drama man. I was going through your story.
Your story is so fucking incredible because a lot of
people are going to take a trauma like you live at home and
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like literally let that thing pull you to hell all your life
and you ran away. You were like, fuck this shit.
I ain't dealing with that. And so while you're there,
you're you're crossing the country.
What was your, what was your goal right there?
What? Where were you trying to go?
First, the first place I wanted to go with Studio 54.
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God damn. OK.
You know, I had taken my man's best disco dress and some heels,
and I was gonna go to Studio 54,but, you know, I'm, like, 13
years old. Yeah.
Happened. So I just hit like, you know,
you, I, I try to remember the very first night, the very first
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truck I ever got up into, and I'm on Route 84 in Ohio and
there's this, there's a snow, you know, snow piled up on the
side of the freeway. It was like 6 foot snow bank.
And, and I don't even know what made me think to hitchhiking the
(19:52):
truck. I think I'm, I think maybe I was
just gonna go hitchhike just to get out of town and I hadn't
decided it was going to be a truck, but a truck pulled over.
And man, you know, my situation was bad enough that I took, I
thought it would be OK and it would be better to climb up into
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this truck. And I'm telling you, when you're
on the side of a truck, if you get close to a truck, you see
nothing. Yeah, you're going blind, man.
It's just this big muffler over here and and these steps.
Door is so high over. You now, right?
And if you don't like what you see, you're going to jump back.
OK. But that didn't occur to me
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whatsoever. I mean, I had no idea.
It wasn't like getting into a car where you see the person
when you're going to open the door.
This is, you know, nothing. I don't know what possessed me
except that I mean pure fear of where I was coming from and this
had to be better. Yeah, or at least or at least
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less worse. Better than what I would face at
home. Wow, I got it.
And and and mind you all May I was beat that ass up.
My dad had bailed on me the night before and because OK, I
was getting ready. I was trying to run away and me
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and my girlfriend, we were, we got caught on the freeway,
right? There's more on one side of the
freeway and we see the cops coming.
So he runs over to the other side and you see them come and
we went over to the other side. Only they get us and they're
like, what are you doing? Where you going?
What is this? I'm like, we're in college and
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we're going back to Kent State University and our parents are
in Florida and and we spent all our money to get back to school.
So we're just hitchhiking you back and they're like, and you
look at us, we're thirteen yearsold and the cops like, ohk, OK,
what dormitories? They do.
And I said, oh, so just so tall.And he's like, that's an all
male dormitory. Get that?
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What the fuck? So it's like midnight and they
gotta call my parents down to the, you know, pick us up or
whatever. Oh my God.
And have court that night, the judges there.
And I'm just like, please, just keep me.
Please. You don't know what's going to
happen when I get home. Oh my God.
So please, please, please keep me.
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And he couldn't, he could have done truancy from home, truancy
from, well, not school yet, but home.
But no, I went home, my dad and he had these like sweet gloves,
but packed with like fleece on the inside.
And we had this cement porch andhe was just packing his hand,
his glove with snow and just boiling on my face.
Well, this is what you want to happen to you.
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This is what's gonna happen you so now when I'm getting up in
this truck the next day, becausethen and then my brother was
supposed to stay home and watch me and and I'm going out the
window again, right And the nextmorning I was like, yeah, I'm
gonna get the fuck outta here. Oh my God.
So I'm I'm hitchhiking. My face is blowing up like this,
right and I just got my dad being the shit out of me or
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whatever story I said maybe, butI you know, I got to go and the
guy just keep dokie and then andI don't remember much.
Maybe I'd probably just slapped,you know, slept in iced.
I don't know if I iced or not, but you know, that's that's a
theme in my life. I know I saw, I saw 20 minutes
on off. And our starting point at 18,
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you meet this guy that tells youlike it, Like you're too pretty
to do this. Like, like, what the hell, You
shouldn't be living like this there.
And can you tell us what happened there?
After bouncing around and stopping here and ended up here
and there in the other place, I'm in a truck stop in New
Jersey and the kid goes, oh, you're too pretty to be out
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here. I'm going to take you home to my
boss. And so basically I was given to
this guy, you know, and he was asevere Vietnam veteran and, you
know, with his problems, alcoholic.
And that, that was good for me. That was OK with me because I
would. OK, I'll get my drink on.
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Yeah. Turned out to be just a mean
drunk. Yeah, but I did get my GED while
I was there. I got my GED and that's where I
joined the military from becausehe was like, you know, and I
kind of stayed in touch with my grandmother.
So he was like, hey, the states coming after me.
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I, I'm not paying. I refuse to pay child support.
I'm going to jail. You gotta figure something out.
You gotta go live with your grandmother or whatever, right?
Or go to the army. I was like, fine, I'll join the
Marines. So I go down there.
I'm like, you know, and I tested, I tested really high.
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My scores were like incredible. I'm a good test taker, you know,
I'm a good test taker. You developed this, I guess I
developed this, this intuition and common sense that you just
normally wouldn't get as a humanbeing because of getting into
situation after situation, danger, danger after danger, and
you gotta size something. Up start figuring shit out for
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sure. You know, and if you're you're
stuck in that situation, you gotta figure your way out, you
know? So I'm a good test taker and I
tested really high and I went sobut the Marines wouldn't take me
because I had a GED. So the Air Force was like, yeah,
we'll take you. I'm like OK Google.
(25:44):
So I was on a delayed listen. I hit the road for it for three
more months. I have to go show up until the
port in Texas, San Antonio, TX or Fort Worth, TX.
So how many years did you do in the Air Force?
Seven I. Think it's for it's four or six,
OK And I did an extra year for the they called the convenience
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of the government. But what that is, is because I
spent my whole enlistment overseas instead of bringing me
to like San Francisco or San Diego and dropping me off at the
port, you're doing an extra yearstateside somewhere so that you
can get acclimated to being in the States and get your, you
know, gets get shit together. So and then after, when, when
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you you're done the Air Force, Iheard in another interview after
you're done the Air Force, when you were looking in retrospect,
how did you end up in brothels? You were like, wow, it's really
the trauma and addiction that was pulling that really made me
refal into the sex work in a way.
Yeah, yeah, cause this, you know, American military
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thinking, OK, and I'm gonna straighten up, size up.
Everything's gonna be square and, you know, and everything's
gonna be OK. And it just turned into another,
I got tossed around, you know, my, my, that face like a
football, you know. So there's just still was, you
know, all the same, the same oldstory, drinking and and and and
and sex, right. But yes, probably it was.
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I think it was a couple of wine coolers that made me decide to
go to the brothel. Yeah, I was thinking it was
like, I think it was like 6 winecoolers or something.
I was just like, fucker, yeah. So, So what made you decide at
when you go to the brothels to keep the Air Force in that name
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and put Amy there and be like, oh, I'm Air Force Amy now?
I didn't. So the first place I got to work
at Chicken Ranch, he wanted my name to be Susie.
So I don't know. Susie, not seller.
Susie OK. I guess it makes you like, I
don't know, Susie. So first place I worked out with
Susie, the second point, the 19,I changed my name to Bridget, I
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think Bridget. And when I got to the Bunny
Ranch, that's when I changed my name to Air Force Amy because,
um, I had worked at the Mustang Ranch and it subsequently got
close. It got shut down.
Like the IRS came in and tried to run it.
We were all like for the fuckingIRS, I'm outta here, you know?
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So I went down South and I was down there for a while.
Just really, really, really bad place.
Cherry Patch. It was just, it was so bad.
But then I went back NI went back up to back north and Bunny
Ranch and I noticed that the same guys that I would see at
the Mustang Ranch were walk-ins coming to the Bunny Ranch.
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There's only 30 miles away. And I was like, but so by then I
had changed my look considerably.
I had short red hair. Now I had long blonde hair and I
wanted the guys to remember. And if I had spent anytime,
yeah, with the guy at the Mustang, I would have talked
about being in the Sir in the Air Force, and then my name,
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Amy. So Air Force Amy.
And I wanted them to get it and understand that I was that Amy,
that I was Bridget. Brand herself.
Like Air Force Amy, I wanted them to recognize me.
So and that was just then. And I wanted to be Amazing Amy,
but there was a doll out at thattime called Amazing Amy, so I
couldn't do that. So it got to be it was Air Force
Amy. And the name is it's like
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McDonald's at the University of the documentary on McDonald's.
Take the name. Just this is golden.
Right when I, I, I saw that you really went in the Air Force and
that your nickname was Air ForceAmy.
I was like genius, genius. Like honestly, you get, you got,
you got to take what you got anddouble down on it.
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Like I went through the Air Force and now I'm doing this.
So for sure you put it in the name you brand yourself.
Yeah, there's no, there's other girls like there's there's a GI
Gen. and I don't know, this is funny.
After this, I don't know if it'sthe first or second documentary
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of the Cat House series on HBO that I was in.
Amy Poehler. Actually, Amy Poehler and Tina
Fey actually did a skip pretending that they were girls
from the Bunny Ranch. And Amy Poehler played me, and
she was Coast Guard carry. Yeah, I can't find, and I used
to be able to find that clip, but I can't find it anywhere
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now. It's like the Internet got
scrubbed of a lot of stuff that we did at Bunny Ranch.
They're used like cat houses like in the 2006 to 2018,
something like 2018, the Internet shut down and all you
know are rated material. HBO dropped their late night,
(30:54):
Cinemax dropped their late night, everyone dropped all
their R rated and X-rated everything and a lot of stuff
got pulled off the web like we never even happened, never even
existed. So that that episode is pulled.
Joe Rogan came out to the Bunny Ranch several times when he was
on the The Man Show. OK, Yeah.
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OK. And.
Did you get to meet him? He was a famous like he is now.
Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I did a couple things.
I did a um 11 skit was we were watching Pretty Woman together.
Was like all of us watching Pretty Woman.
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And then another one was he tookus out to shopping.
Yeah, after Pretty Woman, it wasat A at a, a thrift store.
So I mean, that was, you know, so and that was really, really,
really, really almost impossible.
It's not listed on Amazon or or YouTube.
It's not listed as an episode. It's hidden.
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You really, really, really have to dig to find it.
So yeah, a lot of our stuff we just like.
And now I've just witnessed likemy third legal brothel get
bulldozed down. Yeah, that's crazy.
I thought love ranch N get bulldozed.
Old bridge got bulldozed. Kit can't bulldoze all these
places I worked. It's just like it's a piece of
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your history. It's like trying to erase me.
I'm you can't erase me. I'm really happened.
For sure, and and when we check out like you did photo shoots
all your life there, man, looking like for picture
pictures and like see your life a bit in a in a picture.
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My goodness, like any kind of costume, like you're at a sort
of boy. I'm like, wow, this girl is all
over. And there was one in particular.
I found it so awesome that you're on the beach with a the
huge American flag there and thethe the the top in American.
Really, really. Summer.
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It's a really awesome and there was one with a full of.
Fish, but they do. It looks good on the photo but
for sure the girl with the crab on that day.
They just did that. Six months was 8 months ago.
I have a dissection of the podcast that I'm gonna ask you
questions of critical thinking and, and about your, your life
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or your, your career and that we'll see where you go with
this. What's a one of the most
misunderstood aspects of workinga legal brothel that most people
get wrong? Um, hmm.
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That were dirty. I was gonna say the same for for
that answer, because most peoplethink that and when I looked it
up, you the girl leaves the building, gets tested and she
can't come back in until the tests have come back.
Good. So it's so like a perfectly
safe. But yeah, most people think that
like idiots and don't do their research.
Can you share an instance to a when your intuition or gut
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feeling made you to made you change a particular decision in
your life? Well, I'm working on that right
now. Perfect.
Yeah, I'm really processing somethings.
My gut tells me no, but then, then I, you know, I, I have
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conversations with Brock AI on Twitter, right?
And, and we're working out and I'm I'm working on my memoir
right now. It's been a year that you're
working on it. I know.
I know it's not the rush you, but it's cause I heard an
interview of last year and I waslike, and you, you said that you
were working on it and when the guy was like what, what, when
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does it come out? You know, I don't know yet.
Yeah, I just had. I'm doing a rewrite on the
proposal. It totally changed.
It shifted from one Mohammed arcand how I was going to be
portrayed in it to and totally new one, right?
And so even pulling these stories out, it's really hard
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because I bury them, you know, for unsavory story and
everything and trauma, those getput up in the box, you know, and
you don't. And I'm pull them.
Down. I know you don't.
Fuck it, you leave it. There, I tried that with EMDR
triggered at the shooting at theBunny Ranch.
I got triggered my PTSD and started EMDR and we we got over
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that hump and then she wanted to, you know, get some other
things and my world got dark real fast.
I was like, yeah, I can't do this, but this shit bag, you
have me. So yeah, that's what the memoirs
taken a bit, taken a while. So just got like $20,000.
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And, and you, you had such a a huge career that that spans
decades about doing so many different things that for sure
that memory can't take just six months and bang, bang, done
that. For sure.
It's normal there. And you really want to get a
memoir right when you're doing it.
So it's normal that you're taking the time.
And I think that's the best there.
Can you name us? No, go ahead.
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That I have to resign to the fact that doesn't you know, it
needs to sell. So you know you're not gonna get
everything in anything you want in it.
It's not gonna be your title youwant it's gonna be so itself,
you know, so that's what that but I have and.
Let's not kid ourselves. Yeah, name, Name two things that
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people should try at least once in their life. 4 Wheeling OK and
um and if you have the opportunity to jump out of a
(36:58):
plane. I'm surprised didn't say
brothel, so that's awesome like that.
Yeah, well, that would be smart.Just say, huh?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. But in your line of work at
what's the most important skill or trait a person should have?
Patience. Will see a lot of people were
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think beauty right there so so that's incredible because like I
said in an interview that you did it's sex is so just a little
thing of everything you girls doand you're literally taking care
of the guy up psychology at the same time you're doing it at all
there and reading and reading the guy as well because he's not
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always going to tell you everything he needs but you need
to figure it out there if you wanna keep him as a great client
there. Yeah, yeah.
What people, most people ask me what I do, I say I, I give
confidence, I give, I console and I validate and I give hope.
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That's what I do. And that is beautiful.
So being a Madam at the alien cathouse really did it work out
like you wanted? I would have thought that says
they put you in an authority, you would have power, but you
can't just give authority to somebody and no power cause
that's worthless. It's.
Like it was like, even if I could just, you know, now resign
(38:26):
myself to the fact, that's fine.I'll just use this as a gimmick,
you know, the Madam thing. And it's just, you know, those.
Yeah, just maybe I went in like a steamroller and I just put
people off. I don't know.
But you know, God's got a plan. It's not always my plan.
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Can can you share some? Like, walk us through a normal
day-to-day age for legal courtesan and how many clients
can she see in a day, really? This depends on where you're
working at. OK, like where they have had a
lot of traffic, like say at the Mustang Ranch, I think they
still have a lot of traffic because they're right there on
the freeway. They're on Hwy. 80.
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Yeah, actually, even alien cat houses right there with all
those those tourists, you reallyonly see three people.
They. You know, 30 years ago at the
Mustang Ranch, we'd see 20 people a day.
Ohhh shit. You know, they had thousands of
people coming through that door.God damn, And that's a lot of
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showers on that day. My.
Goodness we we sit and sits fast, you know, cause we'd be
swollen. For sure, yeah.
Ohhhhh My God. Yeah.
What are keys to make a client feel comfortable and value and
understand like what he needs tobe the best cortison for him
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since they don't always tell youeverything up front.
I think maybe one of the best treats to have actually, again
as a cortisone intuition. Yeah, I'm very intuitive and I
can read a person like a like a book immediately and and I just
do what I think. They only hope I don't get the
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emails mixed up. OK, I hope it's a guy at once.
I mean, Brooke Taylor, we had this guy which he wanted to be
tied and every which way but loose, you know, So we got yards
and yards and yards. I don't know how many feet of
tied him up and all these different ways.
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Like I had a pulley system going.
Everything I think I've done. No, I was like, OK, what do you
wanna do now? He's like, I don't know, you
guys decided. You guys, you been running the
show, all of us. And I was like, well, what did
you think? How did you think you wanted to,
you know, finish after you were all tied up?
Because I didn't want to be tiedup with what?
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You are just going along with the ride the whole time and then
the other like so how do you wanna finish this?
The couple times there's anotherguy that said that he wanted to
be, he wanted me to be aggressive.
And then I got like really crazyaggressive and, and, and, and I
had a room that was like this far away from the parlor and I
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was going to make him walk down the parlor with the scoop of
glasses. Anything really.
Stop, stop, stop. Man, this is the one I wanted.
I didn't want any of this. Are more or men more complicated
or more simple than people think?
Men are simple. Yeah, at Name something men want
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and that people would be surprised about.
Tenderness. I have an uncomfortable truth
section, so I was gonna ask you uncomfortable truths of life or
your career. But what's an uncomfortable
truth about human nature that your career has shown you?
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Um, human nature, man. There's just there's, there's
givers and takers. There are really takers out
there that will take from the givers.
Absolutely A A. Right on your forehead, man.
They just take, take, take. Yeah, right.
When they see that person is so good hearted is gonna give a
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lot. They're like OHP instead of
being like, wow, what a great person.
They're like, oh, let's take everything that she got.
Doing this for dumbness I guess.What's something about the
brothel community community thatyou feel could be better
understood or improved? I think a 5050 cut man, I think,
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I think that the brothel model was put into place, This legal
brothel model was put into place, you know, 60 years ago,
55 years ago. And the guy that did it, Joe
Conforti, got exiled from the country.
OK. Maybe it doesn't work in the, in
the in the independent contractors favor, maybe not,
you know? Uh, what's an aspect of brothels
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work that you feel is misrepresented by movies or
media? Hmm, that it's glamorized, you
know, it's Pretty Woman and you get gifts and.
Me and me initially there because I never checked it out
(43:31):
online before. I knew it had something to do
with being an escort or, or cortisone there in a brothel.
But I, I, I at first thought that a brothel was like those
chick glory hole house. That's what I like.
That's what I would have thought.
And then when I did my research,I saw those are completely two
different things there. And you guys are at least
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there's way more test than everything to to protect the
individuals that is quite good there because.
Well, you know, there's consensual sex workers and non
consensual sex workers and the non consensual sex workers those
could portrayed in movies and and you see the girls being
drugged and and you know, seeing20 gotten guys a day and and and
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non consensual. Yeah.
When it comes to consensual now,we didn't actually be
consensual, become consensual until about 2000 in the 2000s.
Wow. So, yeah, the first ten years in
biology, years before that, there was a house minimum and we
had to do it. You know, if you didn't do it,
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somebody else didn't, you and your money went on their bugs.
There were, there were fines, there were, there were
consequences. So you really weren't an
independent contractor. You had to do something, you
know. So, yeah.
So that that changed for me, that changed that at the Bunny
Ranch, I was doing a low dollar client that was being mean to
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them because the last place I worked prior to there, they the
guy didn't care if you're real. You know, I got, I have retired.
I haven't, I don't give a damn if they ever come back.
Get everything they got. So and so I got in trouble for
doing for being mean to the customers and these small dollar
parties. And so they told me, well, don't
do these small dollar you can't do anything under 200 ever
(45:18):
again. That's it.
And so it worked out better. Yeah, since you're saying that
the industry evolve, how has therole of being a legal courtesan
changed over the years, especially with the rise of
platforms like Only Fans and Pornhub that it's like almost
free or 5 bucks and you're literally.
So how has the the brothel changed since then?
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Well, this is so we have to Mark.
We have, I mean, when I was at at Alien, I was gonna hire girls
I didn't hire. I didn't want to hire one that
didn't have a that couldn't workon mine.
I didn't want the girls to rely only on the walk-ins.
I wanted you to be able to well,actually, girls that could
(46:03):
write. Those were the girls I'm going
to 1st. Those girls that could write
because we're on an online offsite business now.
And if you can write and you don't even have to be able to
write nowadays, you can use a I use Grammarly, but be able to
pick up these tools to be able to advertise yourself online.
Wow, we're not allowed to advertise.
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So you see, I don't have any followers anywhere.
It's because I sesta fosta anything that results in the
sale of sex is not allowed on itanywhere on the Internet.
You're getting censored. So yeah, I'm censored.
So and I get yanked, I get hold all the time.
So I really don't put a great deal of effort into my social
media cause it's gonna get. Pulled.
(46:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, it's like why we're
for something that you guys are just gonna tip off like tip to
make it fall. Like I me, I was shocked about
this because I had a Vic Lagina on.
He's a porn producer for browsers.
He was one of the biggest. And on the podcast, he talked
about sex workers, that they have trouble opening bank
accounts because of their job. And I was I was shocked.
(47:07):
I was like, in my head, I'm like, isn't this one of the
oldest professions in the world?Why do you think these obstacles
still fucking exist? And what do you think are the
biggest challenges for for the rights of?
People think you count got yanked too, but it was right
after Nevada legalized marijuana.
So and even the lobbyists, because we're in the capital
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city as Carson City where it there the marijuana lobbyists
would come to the Bunny ranch a lot and you know, and these
little fuckers, I'm sure they they said, you know, they used
us. Will you have like Broncos and
they're not federal, you know, but banks won't bank.
Banks won't deal with marijuana either because it's not federal,
(47:51):
It's not federally accepted. So right after they legalize
marijuana, my bank that I had ran millions through, um, wrote
me and said that I needed to clear out my account and they're
closing my account. And the general manager at one
of these banks was like my sponsor in AA and you were very,
(48:11):
very, very well. And so I asked this, well, how
could they do that? And they have this canned
answer. Where are we making close your
account? Just like you can close your
account. Nobody would.
Everybody gave me that can't answer.
And so and, and, and I just realized, you know what?
It's it's because I'm a sex worker illegal.
That's just the I mean, nobody differentiates between legal and
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prostitute. I had to fight for years on
Wikipedia and Google search to put legal in front of prostitute
and I haven't even told them to put pull my page on Wikipedia
because they I mean if you look at the talk chat, those people
hate me fucking hate me. Like well, pull the page man.
I didn't ask for it. I'm not trying to advertise
(48:53):
here. You fuckers are putting in half
through sub there and and barely, you know, make this page
and yeah. Like being being a porn star,
for example, what you want is being the the most popular
possible that everybody knows you.
But in the world of cortisone, like a, you can't be like, Ohi
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had this person or I had that person.
You can't. So you're you're living in a
way, like a secret life in a wayon your side.
But how the hell in that world did you become famous?
It's like it's a secret world ina way.
But it was like, I'm telling myself this girl was so good
that the guy was like, bro, you gotta call those girls.
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Well, I do have a reputation of being like Michael Jordan of
sex. OK, monitored that way early in
my career that and that was thatwas the first thing I learned
was word of mouth advertising isthe best advertising.
So I would always tell people, you know, tell your friends,
right? And then I jumped on a vehicle
and see the girls that pick up on the new.
(49:58):
Trends. Trends, you know, Really.
Oh yeah. Faster the girls that were on
the Internet with members sites,they did really well at the
ranch because they already had afollowing.
OK, stripper. The the stripper is important.
Stars did really well. They already had a following,
(50:20):
right. I did really, really well
because a I knew how to negotiate bi good parties.
See, I picked up on technology as far as websites and message
boards go. So I was the first one on some
of the message boards and offering contests and things
like that. And then I just did all the
gimmicky things. I went to AVN and I walked that
(50:42):
floor, man. I walked that for some crazy
outfits and heels and my feet. Hurt.
You better Remember Me. Of print, you know, just
carried. So that's how I kind of got me
was in that area. But then the one of the biggest
vehicles was Cat House, HBO and I really like it.
I really didn't think I was memorable or anyone had any
(51:02):
interest in me at all. And that's how my whole career
was. I was always told that I was
really famous, but never felt it.
You know, I've always felt that Isabella Soprano got the most
play out of Out of Cat House or Sunset Thomas and I was just
like, help I get one customer out of this, then it was worth
(51:25):
it. But you were authentic.
I think that's what it was, I think because, yeah.
Thing that unique girl there forsure.
You know, I, I saw the other girls, they could be like OHS.
Yeah. Fake everything.
I can't do that. I'm not.
Yeah. I mean, I am where I am.
(51:47):
Yeah, I saw that you mentioned there was a on another podcast
that that you saw a shift in in human sexuality over the years,
like maybe maybe like a a what guys wanted or or their finish
was. How did that change over the
years? Got guys, it seems to me and
(52:09):
it's been my experience that guys will want what's big in
porn at the time. So like when next hardcore was
out there choking, yeah, guys want to smack your ass and choke
you, you know, get and have hardcore sex with you and that's
not working. And then then the GFE became a
(52:30):
big the hype for it, you know? Yeah.
Well what happens is the girls in the industry will try and
sell what they can make the mostmoney at.
Yeah, yeah. So, so they're just looking at
the trends and, and, and go withit because these guys are are
are just already on the boat of that trends like going.
(52:52):
Yeah, so, yeah, so. So some girl come in and some
GFE and she kisses and it was like it was always taboo.
You never kissed. Yeah, because that's like the
private. Thing, the kiss and then
somebody comes in the offer and they offer always just a text
more, more and more that you're trying to compete with that.
They're just giving up more and more and more.
(53:13):
But now the trend is overnight. Everybody wants an overnight.
Pretty expensive. Don't ask for an overnight
because it's the most expensive thing we have except for a
couple of days. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's the most expensive thing you can get in 24 hours
basically. So and I don't want to shoot you
(53:33):
down right away and say no, I can't do it.
You know, once you shoot off of the smaller piece and then let's
see if we can turn it into an overnight, you know, and um, but
now what I'm seeing, which really bothers me is like when
Britney Spears was I'll I'll be that schoolgirl was all in
right. Yeah, So schoolgirl is one
(53:54):
thing. And, and, and guys are wired to
want young women to procreate. They want, you know, wide hips
and small waist and and and young so they fertile seed and
all this. So guys are programmed and pre
wired to to want youth and um, and that just got thrown out the
(54:15):
window somewhere and now. It's very dark or now.
It's a lot darker, yeah. Wonder where those 300,000
children are. And I hate the fucking think
about it. Really, And I, I, I had a, a guy
of an expert of porn addiction on and he talked about when,
when we were kids, like 25 yearsago, well, what was like popular
(54:39):
in in cartoons was hantai. So these these young people
grew. So now they just brought that
into the porn and you can push that line of what is OK with the
3D and cartoons way way more because you could have a
monster. Having sex with Apprentice.
Yeah, that's it. So I I think the fact that that
(55:03):
the creation of of the limit nowis just so further cause of
hanti and all of this. As you mentioned that the hentai
do you think is a subversion subtechnique out of China?
Uh, or Japan? Japan.
Yeah, I think it's Japan. Uh, most of it's coming out of
it because they have no really laws about it.
(55:24):
It's quite incredible. So right when I saw me online,
because I watched porn, because I'm a dude, and when I saw that
that like the Hanti was become so popular, I was like, what the
hell? Why?
Like why would you want to see acartoon instead of the real
beautiful woman? And like the first site I went,
I didn't even need to click a video.
I was understanding like, oh shit, OK, you have like, like a
(55:46):
dog. Yeah, that's it.
It's a fantasy. They.
Push that real sex is not attractive.
That's it. It becomes not attractive or.
Not attractive. Real sex isn't attractive to me.
You know, it's just, it feels good.
But I mean, he said it looked good.
It's just body parts are you don't fucking look good, OK?
(56:08):
So I I have A5 quick ones with like a quick answers and then I
have a one last question and what is the most common
addiction associated with this industry?
Well, now it's weed. Weed, yeah, at least it's less
work, it's less worse I. Think than cocaine but over 7
(56:30):
years coming up on May 11th. Congratulations.
I'm one of the people that I can't take anything that affects
me from the neck up. Nothing.
Nothing. Not one value, not one weed, not
one anything that will change myyou know.
Who you are? Anything that gets behind
anyway, so and most addicts are like that.
(56:52):
So when people are like out Thursday, woo, I quit doing math
and and, and and I'm reborn and and this is my platform.
But really they're still drink and they're still doing and
they're talking. So all these people that are
like me, everyone that's an addict that really can't take
anything from the nightclub is still in that path of
(57:13):
destruction because you just really can't take anything.
So now, and, and I think the weird thing has just, it's just
something that our government isgiving you another way to just
destroy yourself and become dependent on the government.
Absolutely. You know, and we didn't know
different than drinking. Come on, you know.
(57:34):
I saw in another interview that that that you said that a lot
like at least 80% of girls that you think that are coming into
the sex industry will have a child trauma from abuse or, or
somebody that why. Why do you why do you think that
that that's the outlet they findinstead of like something
(57:56):
completely not that there? Well, I think sex was devalued
for them. Sex was devalued.
It didn't know it wasn't. It wasn't worth.
It wasn't precious anymore. It wasn't something you saved
yourself from marriage. It wasn't saying it wasn't
sacred. It was just, you know, and for
someone to take that from you, you just kind of, I don't know
(58:20):
how it gets wired into the brainthat you just, I don't know.
Good question. I, I had a, a girl on that was
addicted to meth when she was a kid and became a judge after
like a fucking a huge career andshe was abused as a child and,
and when she was abused later inlife, she she was an, and also
(58:44):
like she was, since she was an addict to drugs, her exchanging
sex for drugs was just OK or whatever.
Like like whatever, like this isnot worth anything for me
anymore. And that's exactly like what you
said goes after somebody just takes that, that innocence out
of you. Well, you're like, well,
whatever, one more. Generally no one there to save
(59:05):
you and you know, punish the badguy and and nurture innocent.
You know, you're just, you're just, you're throwing out, you
throw the baby out with the bathwater and you're just
damaged goods. You know nobody in and nobody
ever nurtured you had fixed thatfor you.
Hmm. Is there somebody that ever asks
(59:26):
is that when you were working atthe alien cathouse?
Is there anybody that asked an alien theme?
Something fantasy. No, I had such.
Big I would have been like, I wanna get abducted.
So I wanted to make an alien abduction worm celestial.
It was just gonna be so fun, man.
So that girl that ran her mouth,that Harley she fucked showed up
(59:48):
for me. I'm gonna sue the fuck out of
her for defamation cause it really destroyed some business
plans. And now I got someone that wants
to kill me because the other girl left there.
So yeah, she needs to get taughta lesson now.
You just can't run your mouth about people.
You just can't because you really can do some real damage.
And she did some damage to my career and.
And yeah, I'm coming for you. What's what's one of the most
(01:00:13):
strangest things a guy ever asked for?
Um, will always for me strain. Ohk, OK, guy.
He he wanted me to pee on right,OK, that's cool.
But then he wanted to take some to go.
So just wanted to go cup for himand what he did is he put it on
(01:00:36):
his hands and rubbed it all overhis hair.
Oh my goodness. Oh my God.
I imagine. I imagine like you sitting at
home that night and you're like,I, I got paid to just pee out
somebody. Isn't that fucked up?
Guy he was, he was a disabled veteran and he lived in like a
(01:00:58):
disabled veterans quarters or something up in in Reno.
And he was telling me about how they would stick a needle in
his, in his penis and he'd go the whole time you would with
me. He said I wish I had a horse
cock, wish he had a horse. And I had just some checking I
want and just some checking to find out if he was being abused
(01:01:18):
or not. Well, that, that, that is
something else, my friends. Like going down.
Now I'm doing Tales from the Crib.
I gotta write that one down. Right, that one.
I've got. You you've been in a world that
many consider taboo and a stigmatized.
What advice would you give for somebody who feels judged about
(01:01:41):
their career or their relationship choices?
And why I put that question thatway.
It's because a lot of girls thatlike allow their men to sleep
with other girls there Well, aregetting crucified by other girls
because they had they did that choice.
And so that's why I I put that question like that, like for
unique careers and unique relationship, like what?
(01:02:01):
What advice would you? Give them I'm, I've, I've lived
with stigma my whole life, Man is and it's a it's a, it's a,
it's a motherfucker. You know, you could just be
like, you know, just living yourlife, doing good, did the best
things for people. And then someone just comes up
and backhands you with, you know, and I'll, I'll get back to
(01:02:22):
this in a minute. But um, OK, so people would walk
up to me and go, you're famous. And you don't walk up to someone
famous and say you're famous. You're saying to me every
fucking time that you say you'refamous is you're famous and
you're a fucking prostitute and you're famous, you know, so I
(01:02:44):
was getting slurred on that hurtme.
That dude that that cut every time someone goes you're famous.
It's like, yeah, that's a cut. So you have to, um, there's
stigma. You just go.
(01:03:04):
I'm no better than and I'm no worse than anybody else on the
planet and you just gotta drill that into your head.
I'm no better than, I'm no worsethan anyone else on the planet.
Never compare yourself to othersbecause you're always going to
come up short. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that was a hard one. Yeah, that's a hard truth.
(01:03:24):
Yeah, my core is is I work off of competition and fear and then
we'll drive me through anything,you know, that helping others
that that's a good driver for metoo.
But yeah, comparing yourself. And then when it comes to
stigma, there's the thing we do in a called the Sick Man's
(01:03:46):
Prayer. OK.
And you can look it up. OK, I will.
You know, and you and it's just,you know, if somebody personally
hurts you, offends you and you have a resentment you can't get
over these to pray for that person for two weeks straight
(01:04:08):
every day that they get whateverthey want, you know, and by time
a week is like we forgot all about it.
Wow, I love it. I love it.
Instead of like cursing the guy,you're just sitting all the love
and positive positivity. I I like that you're thinking
now working everybody find you. You're probably not on all the
(01:04:30):
platforms. So where can people find you if
they wanna check your stuff out and everything?
Air Force amy.com, I'd love to announce where I'm going to
work, but it seems like such a demotion because we decide I'm
getting hired as a matter. But we decided that we wouldn't
put that Madam title on there sothat I wouldn't get the hassle
like I get the house from the other.
(01:04:51):
So wherever you know, whenever Icome up on this website, it's
gonna look like a huge demotion that I'm not a mad emotion.
Just went back to work. So I'm posting that around, man.
I don't know if I want to, you know, But then then you gotta
look at, well, that's just ego, ego, you know, who gives a shit?
That's just your ego. And I think it's better you pass
under the radar with these girlsso they don't go all after you.
(01:05:14):
Haters gonna hate. Yeah, but I've already found it,
this new place that they don't want a lot of change either.
So what I have found out is thatemployers want yes men.
Yeah. And that was what was different
about Dennis. He we could complain to him
about something, but you have a solution.
(01:05:35):
OK, Don't just complain. Yeah, Bring your solution and
you bring that guy. Bring him solutions.
And God damn, he implemented them.
You know, so other people that Idon't know, they just don't know
how to manage or don't want to take the time.
And it's just everything's the way it is and, you know, it
works. Don't upset the apple cart.
(01:05:55):
So I just don't want to work foranybody else.
Archer. I gotta make the memoir, the
drama and and I'm turning my sight into a member site and
there's going to be Air Force Amy dot Club and it's going to
be cool because I mean, I have as I was shooting, I'm I'm doing
(01:06:17):
a docu series. I got some kids out of LA UCLA
film school and we started writing our filming my docu
series. And as I started going through
my memorabilia and everything, I'm like, man, I'd love to put
this up on a site. And I wanted to do it with only
fans and call it, you know, it'sonly fans.
And my fans could see me with, you know, all these.
But only fans wouldn't let me put up a picture of me and
(01:06:40):
Howard Stern or me and Jenny Young because they would have
to. I'm the only fancy.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Well, I cannot put anybody, so that was useless.
So I have to turn my ice. I'm gonna turn myself into a
member site and like 20 bucks a month and, and start just
releasing all these, these memorabilia, you know, and then
sell the books. So that's awesome.
(01:07:03):
So at base again for coming on, it was so amazing.
A lot of people like don't even know this world.
So having a a famous person likeyou hate hearing on and like
under understanding like the bowels of this brothel there,
it's a really amazing. So thanks again for coming on.
To your local brothel worker, OK?
(01:07:25):
Because we don't have brothels together.
These brothels, because their life is rosy.
There's something that got him to that door.
OK, they need a quick fix of something.
Something's gone wrong and they need to fix it.
And at this looks like their best route.
Then you know what? Have some.
Have some compassion for those. Absolutely because we never know
(01:07:47):
what some somebody else is goingthrough.
So thanks everybody and have a great weekend.
Thank you.
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