Creator of the Iconic Song Whoomp! There it is! How DC Glenn Had a 32 Year Career on One Song EP72

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So welcome back to the 72nd episode and is nothing short of monumental, because we’re sitting down with an absolute pioneer—a true living legend whose influence is deeply woven into the fabric of not just the music industry but pop culture itself.I’m talking about DC Glenn, The Brain Supreme one half of the iconic duo Tag Team, whose hit “Whoomp! (There It Is)” took the world by storm and became a timeless anthem that still resonates today. That track didn’t just go platinum it defined an era, and DC was at the heart of it. DC Glenn continued to think outside the box & reinventing himself as an actor, voice artist, and even starring in the unforgettable Geico commercial. What’s so impressive about DC’s journey is how he’s never stayed in the shadow of that success. Instead, he’s taken bold steps to craft his legacy across multiple platforms, and his story is a shining example of what it means to adapt, persevere, and always stay true to your roots in an industry that constantly shifting DC’s been through the highs and lows of the business, and yet his unwavering passion for creativity and authenticity is what continues to drive him. This conversation is going to be filled with gems of wisdom, stories of resilience, and an inside look into how he’s navigated and thrived in this unpredictable world of entertainment.This isn’t just an interview—this is a privilege. DC gets into the nitty-gritty of his rise to fame, the struggles of maintaining relevance after a chart-topping hit, and how he reinvented himself time and time again.In this candid conversation, we also dig into some uncomfortable truths about the entertainment world, the pressures that come with success, and the importance of staying grounded when everything around you is changing. If you’re an artist or someone just trying to build your brand and stay true to yourself, you’ll want to hear DC’s tips and advice.DC Glenn Socials LinksWebsitehttps://www.tagteambackagain.com/Website 2http://imdb.me/Cecil-DC-GlennWebsite 3https://g.page/r/CeEtxWPFqh61EAg/reviewLinkedIn URLhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/dcglennFacebook URLhttps://www.facebook.com/dcglennatlTwitter URLhttps://twitter.com/dcglennatlYouTube URLhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMir7aSp7TZTbDNKuI3PnIQInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/dcglennatlYour Host = Sam Gladu @DjRetsam @Retsam64 PODCAST LINKS Rumbling Facts Podcast on SPOTIFYhttps://open.spotify.com/show/28EVivBWPFZ25qSDwTUWSn?si=795e94fc93404d5bRumbling Facts Podcast on RUMBLEhttps://rumble.com/c/RumblingFactsPodcastRumbling Facts Clips on RUMBLEhttps://rumble.com/c/c-5646792ALL LINKS Sam DjRetsamhttp://linktr.ee/djretsamMUSIC on SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/artist/3YgKupXc2ID3mnPZOlgJ2H?si=DQDD43iIRbOMAmydUMu1hwALL my Releases in 1 PLAYLIST-https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2gNzano55YrL39Gmlgk1pH?si=3e97588c182b470ehttps://www.instagram.com/djretsam/https://www.tiktok.com/@SamGladu https://twitter.com/samgladuhttps://www.facebook.com/DjRetsamhttps://rumble.com/user/DjRetsamhttps://www.youtube.com/@UC2OrYbprFHlOkOiWScR74dA

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
I knew we had to make it up tempo record, right?
And I went to Steve was like we gonna never get out of here
unless we make something up tempo.
And you and I was like, we need to make a bass record.
I was like, we ain't got him. Don't do it like that.
Just do it like you would do it and just think planet rock or
Egyptian lover, right? Just think that, right?

(00:20):
And our first attempt was won't There it is.
And I never forget it was it wasthe summer of 92.
We went and recorded it and I came to work, popped in a
cassette. Was a rough copy and to this day
that's the biggest response on any record I've ever had DJ in.
Like 15 people came to DJ Booth,like what the hell is that?

(00:42):
And it was instant. But my hubris as a young man was
like, well, shit, every record Imake is going to be the shit.
Right, going like that. One yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like I thought that was high listen to this right and
people would like the records, but it never was, you know, it
never was like won't there it is.
Was the second thing that happened was I'm sitting on the

(01:06):
couch, you know, looking at WI mean you want to suppose it?
Yeah. WGN in Chicago and this is the
year that the Bulls have won their third championship and
they're having their big parade in in Grant Park.
There's a half a million people in Grant Park and all of a
sudden they start chanting won'tthere it is.
Wow. And you got all the bulls on

(01:27):
stage and the whole we got 500,000 people just yelling
won't There it is. Say this year, he says that
trip, this is what he said. He goes no matter what the
outcome was. I think this team was better
than the Bulls. Well, my, my name is not Albert
Einstein. And if you look at the record,

(01:48):
it was four games or two. And I think someone needs to
teach him how to count who's there.
We people didn't think I'd be long enough to pick up 3
paychecks, let alone three rings.
So there it is. Say thank you to all you guys

(02:18):
and supporting us all year long.It's 3 long years, we got
another championship and we couldn't do it without you.
Oh, there it is. Yeah, that's why education, it's

(02:42):
so important, because when I sayeducation, people to me and I
got to read you, you could do this other ways.
Like you just totally dismissed it because I said education,
it's learning how to learn. It's the it's the game.
I'm giving you game. I'm not teaching you anything.
I'm giving you game. It's a difference, you know, But
then it was we were in a messed up record situation too,

(03:03):
company, record company situation.
So like I said, we were doomed from the start, right?
And what you know what happened,happened, but you fight, you
know what I'm saying? And you fight and you claw your
way back. And now you know, with that one
song, I've been able to do have a 30 year career, 32 year career
on one damn song. Not too many people can say

(03:25):
that. Welcome back on a rumbling fast

(04:05):
podcast were uncomfortable truthcollides with critical thinking
for raw, unfiltered conversationthat drives real growth into the
real ones. This is your number one
destination to challenge the script.
I dive into topics that most people will avoid and spark that
kind of mindset that actually moves you toward the life that
you deserve. I'm your host Sam AKA DJ Rhett

(04:25):
Sam. I'm a rapper, creator,
truthseeker, and the founder of a nonprofit called Making Others
Read where I take unwanted booksand give them back to
communities that cannot afford it because knowledge is power
and it should never be wasted. This year alone my music has
touched over 225,000 streams. Quite incredible and never

(04:46):
thought we would get here. And honestly, I've been through
hell and back, freebase addiction, blackmail, PTSD, and
I even survived a murder kidnapping attempt at only 16.
And I'm sharing this not for your pity people, but to show
you that even the darkest times and moments in my life, I came
out stronger and that's why I'm here.
Life is tough and if you can extend your hand down and pull

(05:08):
somebody up you, you should. Rumbling Facts isn't about only
the easy answers, it's about thereal ones.
Today's episode is nothing shortof monumental for us because
we're sending down with one of the absolute pioneers in rap
history, a true living legend whose influences that deeply
woven into who fabric or of not just the music industry, but pop

(05:32):
culture itself. I've talked about DC Glen, the
Brain supreme, 1/2 of the iconicduo tag team who's hit whoop.
There it is. And it took the world by storm
and became a timeless anthem that still resonates today.
This track didn't just go platinum, it create a cultural
moment that defined an era, and DC was at the heart of it.

(05:54):
But what makes DC Glen truly stand out?
And he continued to think outside the box and continue to
evolve, reinventing himself as an actor, voice artist, and even
starring in his In the Gecko commercial in the past a few few
years that really cemented his place in the heart of millions.
What an impressive career that DC had, and he's never stayed in

(06:17):
the shadow of that success. Instead, it he took bold step to
to craft his legacy across multiple platforms.
His stories are a shining example of what it means to
adapt, preserve, and always staytrue to your roots.
This isn't just an interview, this is a privilege.
DC, we're beyond grateful to have you here.

(06:38):
Welcome to Rumbling fastball. Yes, how you doing?
I'm doing very well, let me tellyou.
That was a hell of a introduction.
I appreciate that my friend. It's my honor.
I heard that you met Steve Gibson in high school and and so
you guys go way back there. We come from, we come from a

(07:00):
community of friends, right? And you know, a lot of people
didn't have that great of a childhood, but I can honestly
say I probably had the greatest childhood of all time just
because of the people that were in my life and because of the
community of adults that are raised that are that raised me
in the community, whether it be through the church, whether it

(07:22):
be through school, whether it bethrough the neighborhood.
And it is the one thing that hasmade me the man who I am today.
They say it takes a community tobuild a man.
That is so true because for sureyou can have a a one person
pushing you, but really a what creates someone?
It is the whole environment around you.

(07:44):
And how did you and Steve be like, oh, let's create a group
together and let's try to go in that direction?
Well actually so me and Steve met 11th grade.
I had a transferred from, you know, 10th grade high school
called Match Buff in Denver, Co and I went to the school, public

(08:08):
school that was close to my mother's job and it was Manuel
High School. And my last name is Glenn and
Steve's last name is Gibson. So the first day in homeroom, we
sat next to each other and we became friends.
And come to find out that Steve had a band and they would play
in the quad, you know, during lunchtime every couple of

(08:31):
months. And I was just enthralled
because I'd always been in the music, but I couldn't find my
musical footing because I was wondering, kids, where your
mother made you play mother? Maybe play piano.
I had to play trumpet. And, you know, I sang in the
choir and stuff like that, but Ijust didn't like it.
That just didn't hit me. But when I heard, when I saw his
band perform, that hit me. And I was like, I got to get in

(08:52):
that band and I begged them and begged them and begged them.
It was just a nuisance. And they finally let me in,
called the businessman, and that's how we met.
And that's How I Met Otis P Howie Wayman, everybody else.
And we've been lifelong friends and with anything you're exposed

(09:15):
to more or I was exposed more when I went to that high school.
I had went to my first high school dance from that high
school and it's the first time Isaw two turntables and mixer and
I was like that's the DJ and I was like I gotta be a DJ.
So I pursued DJ and I used to hear music cause I used to work

(09:38):
in the truancy office and I would hear music down the hall.
And Doctor Joyce Davis was the conductor of the Bulk Vibrations
Choir, and I had to be in that choir.
So I evolved in all three things, singing, DJ and being in
the band. And it is really it.
It really catapulted me into a world that I had never known and

(10:05):
the band was going to be difficult to keep together
because we all grew apart. I went to college, Steve did his
thing. We all kind of separated.
But me and Steve, we had a love of hip hop and tag team was
originally called the Tag Team Crew because it was Steve and
Otis P who were the rappers and I was the DJ.

(10:25):
But Otis, you know, Man Man, hisnickname is Man Man.
He went to he had to go to the Army.
So then tag team became me and Steve and I moved to Sacramento,
CA to go to college at SAC StateUniversity.
And there I befriended a cool dude named John Zunino, Johnny
Z, and he was a rock'n'roll dude.

(10:48):
Heavy metal dude, actually, right?
So he created heavy metal I introduced.
Maybe different realm than you they're.
Completely different realm. We stayed on the same floor in
Jenkins Hall, right And he I think for Christmas that year he
had got a four track recorder and a four track recorder was
like the original home studio, right?

(11:11):
How we do it so easy in computers now.
It was quarter where it was justthe cassette tape and you have 4
tracks to be able to do whateveryou have to do.
Wow. And we had some shitty drum
machines. I mean, we had a Yamaha,
whatever. And Zee was like, I don't know
how to use this thing. And I was like, I'll figure it

(11:33):
out. And my homeboy, Cornell, he had
an 808. And back then the 808 was the
drum machine because I was run DMC.
That was the Beastie Boys. That was all.
That was the beginning of hip hop and I made about 10 beats
because he wouldn't let me use, he wouldn't let me hold it, but
he he let me come over there, bring the four track over there

(11:53):
and I recorded those beats and then I made songs on those
beats. However, I could make a song
right, whether I be beatboxing, whether I was scratching,
whether I was yelling, whether Iwas feeding pots and pans.
And I finished 10 songs and sentthem to Steve.
And he thought I was in the devil worship because it was the

(12:14):
music, right? But at the same time, we're just
enamored because he was like, I got to get me a four track and
he got his four track. And then now you know, Z star Z,
you know Johnny Z was inspired too.
And for those who don't know, Johnny Z is the producer.
He had a group called In Too Deep who made back to the hotel.

(12:37):
So they came out a year before we did.
So the fact that both of us met and we're still best friends at
this day, The fact that we met white dude, he became a hip hop
artist. My.
Right, You know, comes from a good family.
I mean, it was just crazy how that happened, how people can
influence you, right? And Steve started making beats

(12:59):
and we started throwing mixtapesback and forth.
And Fast forward, Steve moved down to Atlanta to go to the Art
Institute, and I was, you know, kind of finishing up at SAC
State. And I became the DJ that did all
the frat parties. I was deejaying in the clubs.
I was writing lyrics. You know, when when Otis left, I
had to pick up the writing lyrics duty.

(13:20):
So I wrote in class and I was very, very good at because I was
always a great writer. But transitioning to writing
lyrics during the time of hip-hop, I was very good.
And you know, one thing led to another and I went to visit
Steve in Atlanta and it was the most incredible thing I'd ever

(13:42):
seen. And came back, finished school,
I knew I was moving to Atlanta. We rolled up a U-Haul truck,
drove from South all the way to Atlanta, and I had a job at CNN
and I never forget it was the weekend of a I got there on
Wednesday. It was the week that Do the
Right Thing came out by Spike Lee and we went to the movies

(14:02):
and what this club called Magic City was adult entertainment
club, right strip club and you know, really right is most
famous one most famous strip clubs in the world Back then.
It really you know, it was therewas only it you know, it was
famous, but it was like a best kept secret and DJ was drunk
messing up and I was like I could do this because I think it

(14:24):
from California. I'm not that good of a DJ.
When I go to Atlanta, I'm not going to have a chance because
it's a big, major metropolitan city.
And the bouncer, Big Tim, he waslike, hey man, they're gonna
magic right there. Go on and ask him.
And I was like hey man, DJ was like Nah but come see me Monday
cause he saw something in me. And he was like I don't need no

(14:45):
DJ but I need to cook. So I cooked that Magic City.
I cooked two. He said you could be a cook and
be the backup DJ. So I cooked 2 orders of chicken
wings, made a salad, and then the daytime DJ came was like,
hey man, I gotta run some errands, can you cover for me?
And he led me on his turntables.Wow.
And I DJ the whole day and the girls made more money than

(15:09):
they've ever made because I knewhow to DJ and I knew how to MC.
You knew how to control that room there.
That is, that is always been my gift is to read people, control
the room. And because I grew up in there,
I grew up at the beginning of hip hop and there was only one
question. Can you rock a party?
Can you move a crowd? If you can't do those things,

(15:31):
then you're going to have a hardtime.
And I'll never forget it that itwas on the Thursday, that
Sunday, they had a big meeting with all the all the employees
and we started the meeting and these two girls, Nikki and the
Indigo, I'll never forget it. They got up and they said Magic,

(15:51):
before we get started, we want him.
And Magic looked to me. It's like, alright motherfucker,
you up. And I've been the head DJ of
every club I've ever deejayed insince 1989.
And that started that started everything, because now I'm in
the the hottest club in Atlanta.I got there when Deon Sanders

(16:12):
got there, which is a good friend of mine, Dominique
Wilkins. One of the best ever.
You know, I I was, I knew all the famous people before I was
even famous. Isn't that incredible?
You know what I mean? It was like baby a babyface.
And LA Reed moved down there, right?
Short moved down there. So all these people are coming

(16:32):
to see me and my DJ booth, and Igot pictures to prove it, all
right? That moment, did you feel like,
wow, I like, I made it like, like, like.
No, never. Because because I was because it
was fun. I'm I'm begging for 100 butt
naked women with all the stars. I'm having too much fun to even

(16:55):
be thinking that I'm I don't think like that.
I've never thought like that anyway.
I still don't think like that. Perfect.
And the beauty of it was that I was able to play my own among
our own music. So me and Steve kept making
music, but the thing was we wereliving down South and down South
it was a whole different genre of music because the genesis of
hip hop to me is planet rock thethe B boy era, right?

(17:18):
Yeah, yeah. You know, you got Sugar Hill and
you got the the records like that.
But really set it off and set itoff.
The whole culture was playing rock out and I finished the soul
and even Doctor Dre on the West Coast with surgery and Egypt,
Egypt with, you know, that was basically all those electronic
records up tempo. Those bond so many different

(17:39):
John. You spawn electronical error,
you spawn the booty shake there,which was down South and you
spawned a freestyle era, right, which was down in Miami.
But it was more Latin because they all use the same genesis as
far as the sample which was Planet Rock and those records
like that. Therefore I knew we had to make

(18:03):
it up tempo record, right? And I went to Steve was like we
gonna never get out of here unless we make something up
tempo. And you and I was like, we need
to make a bass record. I was like, we ain't got him.
Don't do it like that. Just do it like you would do it
and just think planet rock or Egyptian lover, right?
Just think that, right? And our first attempt was won't

(18:24):
There it is. And I never forget it was it was
the summer of 92. We went and recorded it and I
came to work. Popped into cassette, was rough
copy and to this day that's the biggest response on any record
I've ever had. DJ in Like 15 people came to DJ
booth like what the hell is that?
And it was instant. But my hubris as a young man was

(18:47):
like, well, shit, every record Imake is going to be the shit.
Right, going like that one. Yeah, yeah.
So it's like I thought that was high.
Listen to this right? And people would like the
records, but it never was, you know, it never was like wound
there. It is was.
And I kind of shelved it to likethat fall and one of the girl
cheer, she's like, how come you don't play?
Won't. There it is.

(19:08):
And I was like, I play it for you, baby, and end up playing it
again. Same response.
This time, though, I had a representative from named Alan
Cole from Columbia Records. That is because I knew, you
know, back in the day there were, you know, two hubs for
record records, right? You had New York and you had LA,

(19:31):
right, Nashville's country and everything else, right.
But New York and LA were the hubs.
But you had satellite hubs, which were, you had
representatives in all the cities because they would
service the record pools, they would service the radio, they
would service the DJ. So I knew all the reps and he
was like, give me that, man. I was like, it's gonna record.
Like give it to me, man. I'm gonna take that to New York

(19:52):
cause he was going to New York Monday.
Took it to New York. Now I'm talking to Columbia
Records trying to ink a deal, but they don't know what to do
with this because we're down South.
And I was like, this could work with everybody.
And I gave every label a chance and every label loved it.
And everybody, they just didn't know what to do with it.
And I almost gave up because people like, it's like people
were playing with me. They were making me wait and

(20:15):
beautiful and named Lisa McCall.Um told me I should talk to Al
Bill. For those who know who Al Bill
is, in the beginning of soul music, there were three record
companies. Philly International.
Motown. Berry Gordy and Stax Records Al
Bill Fast forward 93 or 92 he put out a record on his new

(20:40):
label called Bell Mark called Daisy Dukes by Deuce and it went
gold. So I was like I can go gold, I
don't mind I just want to get put on game of card.
Took him about two weeks to callme and he called me back and he
was like, you know, Mr. Glenn, Iwas like, who is this?
Like Al Bell? I was like, ohk, OK.
I was like, look man, I got a hit record.

(21:01):
It's been tested. It is the biggest record in this
city and it's a hit record. I said you've got to sign us.
And he was like, OK. I was like, no, no, no, no,
don't play with me. You know, I'll never forget what
he said to me. He's like, no man.
He said we could do this becauseI don't have to hear the record.

(21:22):
I hear it in your spirit, agree and get this thing moving.
Wow, he felt that. Yeah, he, you know, he, he knew
that I I had some especially I was a DJ and Magic City.
So he's like, let's do it. I was like cool and I gave my
two weeks in Magic City, you know, signed a messed up record

(21:43):
contract and in a month and a half tag team was platinum and
the rest is history. Wow.
And how did you come up with your with your name?
And did you ever hear about the wrestler Bobby the Brain Heenan?
I mean, we grew up in Denver, sowe were we knew all about those
wrestlers. But I never, you know, tag team

(22:04):
is just like, it was kind of, you know, geared toward
wrestling because you come in, if you get in trouble, I come
in, you know what I mean? I came back and forth.
So that's why I was like that. That's how we got our name
because it was recently with Otis and Steve was the disco
too. Then it was the tag team crew
and then it was just me and Steve was just tag team.

(22:25):
Why did you call yourself the Brain Supreme?
That that that name was actuallygiven to me by a guy named Roy
Lee Davis because we were in Stars Grocery getting high
downstairs and we, you know, youhire you talking and you
philosophizing and whatever you like.
I'm gonna call you the brain supreme because you always

(22:47):
figuring shit out. You just have a different
perspective, right? And it's stuck.
And my original rap name was in the in the 80s was Sir Mix-a-lot
DC, until Sir Mix-a-lot came outwith my baby got back.
So then I had to change it. So I tried different variant.
I think at one time my name was Cecil Glenn Cheesecake.
Sir Mix-a-lot, DC The Brain Supreme.

(23:07):
God damn, that's a. My name in high school, but it
was cool to say that for a couple records, but there was
like, Nah, you can't. Do that.
That's way too long. Settled with DC the Brain
Supreme because when I went to California, oh, when I was in
the dorms, people asked me what my name was.
And they were like, I was like Cecil.
And they like where you from is like Denver, Co is like this

(23:29):
black folks in Denver, Co. And I was like, yes, like we
gonna call you DC. It's like, no, my name is Cecil.
But everybody started calling meDC and it's stuck.
So DC, the Brain Supreme is whatwhat what I ended up with and
have been that that's been my name since probably the summer
of 8586. How long did it take you guys to

(23:52):
write that song in particular? And what was the most surprising
about that song? Like after after it got platinum
did it keep the heat that had for years or it it slowed down a
certain point? All the things that catapulted
it, One was there was no rap station in Atlanta back in the

(24:15):
day. It was just all R&B, right?
The guy named Ryan Cameron was the job.
He's still big in the city today.
He played the instrumental bed during the breaks and people
start calling, calling him and saying hey, you need to play
that. We know what that is one there

(24:36):
it is play that record so many calls to play because he would
play the instrumental bit. They had to start playing.
Then the second thing that happened was I'm sitting on the
couch, you know, looking at WI mean.
You want to suppose it? Yeah.
WGN in Chicago and this is the year that the Bulls have won

(25:00):
their third championship and they're having their big parade
in in Grant Park. There's a half a million people
in Grant Park and all of a sudden they start chanting won't
there it is. Wow.
And you got all the bulls on stage and the whole we got
500,000 people just yelling won't There it is.
Buddy, for the third time in Grant Park and the Repeatables,
I'm Rick Rosenthal and I'm Dan Rohn.

(25:22):
It's good to have you with us for this third time.
Weather's perfect. The setting is gorgeous.
We expect about 300,000 of our closest friends for this
celebration. Suppressive official business.
His VCR's at work right now though I would guess.
Here comes the love of balls. Wonderful new tradition was born
here this morning, Dan. We bore witness to history.

(25:44):
The hula skirts and the coconut bras at 1st and it was a
beautiful thing, wasn't it? Brought tears to my eyes.
You bet. Really.
Work hard, make sure do a big part of what happens in Chicago
Stadium every game night. Kathy Kor Korea grabs that
group. Kathy and her people really do a
terrific job. Lot of enthusiasm and a ton of

(26:04):
energy. There's a lot of gold under that
fashion delivered. From the left-hander Stacey

(26:47):
King. Hey Daddy, are we?
Hey, that we all hung in there and we won the prize.

(27:12):
We had to listen to the Atlanta Hawks.
We had to listen to the Cleveland Cavaliers and
especially those Bad News 2 every day, every time that we
played in Madison Square Garden,all we kept hearing was go, your
go, New York go, go, your go, New York, go.

(27:32):
And yeah, they gone. That is.
Here we go. And the final series against

(27:53):
Phoenix. We had to listen to Phoenix talk
about this Poly believe. Well, we did them one better.
We saved their city. Also, listen to Danny Ainge
after the game say that he goes.Last year when I was in

(28:15):
Portland, we knew the Bulls werea better team than we were.
Yeah, we beat them 422 this year.
He was on a different team thinking that thing was gonna be
different. We had to listen to him say this
year he says that trip, this is what he said.
He goes no matter what the outcome was.
I think this team was better than the Bulls.
Well, my name, my name is not Albert Einstein.

(28:40):
And if you look at the record, it was four games or two.
And I think someone needs to teach him how to count who.
There it is. Baby people didn't think I'd be
long enough to pick up 3 paychecks, let alone three
rings. So there it is.

(29:08):
I just want to say thank you to all you guys and supported us
all year long. Well, it's been 3 long years.
We got a third championship and we couldn't do it without you.
Oh, there it is. Partridge gonna kill him and

(29:32):
Charles Barkley, if you're watching, it's almost time to
talk to God again, Alright? For just a second, there was
talk, a little bit of smoke and not a lot of fire about this
notion of Michael Jordan's retirement, He said at the at
the end of the series with Phoenix, the Bulls have won the
championship again, he said. My love for this game is strong
and as long as we're winning, essentially, he's gonna be

(29:54):
around. I can't imagine that being a
question for 9394 or 9495. Or am I starting to slide into
uncharted territory there? And that catapulted it right
there and then. The next thing Ed Lover was a
personal friend of mine. So when he my last couple weeks
when I was there, he came down and he heard me play wound there

(30:14):
is he was like money. What is that?
And I was like, that's my new record.
He's like, give me that. It's like I got a cassette.
He's like, man, I can't use, Nokia said.
I need vinyl. So what?
You know after I left Magic thatI left the freak last.
My last night was Freak Nick 93 and couple weeks later I got

(30:37):
vinyl mid him back down to MagicCity.
He took it to New York that Monday.
They played the instrumental on Yo MTV Raps the entire show and
that was that. Just blew it up right there.
Wow. And like I said, the rest is
history. And we, we, we went on.

(30:59):
I mean, it was a good 3-4 year run and then we started having
problems with the record company.
Then I was in a 20 year legal battle and you know, it just we
were, we were kind of screwed from the start.
But you know those things happenand you know what you're going

(31:21):
to do? You're going to just quit or you
going to figure it out. And in retrospect, when you
relook at that contract, what, what should you have done
differently to maybe not? Because, you know, there's two
parts of pop music publishing. That's why when everybody says,
well, show me what to do and I'mlike, I can tell you what to do,

(31:41):
but you gotta do it. And I just advise everybody to
learn about music publishing because you know, you have your
writers share and you have your publisher share.
And we own the writers share andwe own the publisher shares
5050, right? But if you sign over
administration of your publishing to the record

(32:02):
company, well, then they can recoup you forever.
They can always say that there'sjust tons.
You owe this, You owe that. You owe this that that, that,
you know, artists don't know that all them limousines and all
that air travel and all that flystuff, you're paying for that,
right? And we didn't know that, you
know, it's like we're coming direct company will pay for it,

(32:22):
but they're basically giving youa loan.
And you know, because of that, the record company started, you
know, they they've got big, their head got big, they were
trying to make bigger deals. They had signed prints and they
just gotta hit it got too far ahead of their skis and they had
to go bankrupt. And I'm like, our money, right?

(32:44):
And then that's when it started.Then bankruptcy, another record
company bought, you know, boughtthe rights, but they stole the
rights to wound the publish and the wound there it is.
When that was under another company, there was nothing that
they could do because they wouldhave been bankrupt.
So Al Bailey finally got somebody which is Bridgeport

(33:06):
Music to to fight the battle. And that battle started probably
in about 20. No, it started like a 1998 and
didn't conclude to 2017. Wow.
And they they got Bell Mark the original record company.
Record company A is the originalrec Company B is the other one.

(33:29):
Record Company A Got that you want.
That prevailed in court and we prevailed on our end.
But there was, you know, there was a lot of legal fees within
that time. So that goes against the record.
Therefore we won. But it's like when you go to
war, you come back, you might have all.
Your wounded. You know the whole thing.

(33:53):
And then we were free in 2017. But during that whole time I
basically just bowed. And this is where, you know,
this is me. When traumatic things happened
to me in my life, I vowed they'll never happen again.
And I educate myself. So I basically became a
paralegal, right? I'm a I'm a licensed commodities

(34:13):
broker because I had to learn finance because I vowed that I'd
never let people beat me out of money again.
So I learned about fine, I'm a registered license commodities
broker. Wow Raider.
Right law rappers can say that. I'm not good at it though,
because I know what it is, right?
And I would have to give up music to do that.
But you know, I also, you know, I'm also version SEO.

(34:35):
I'm on the forefront of everything AI like I'm I.
I refuse to let life pass me by right?
And I've learned my lesson in every traumatic thing that
happens in society as well. You know, like with the.com
bubble, you know, like with the financial crisis 2008 and you
know, the pandemic, it's like those are the times that you

(34:58):
have got to stay ahead of the game and not get emotional about
it and understand when things have evolved, right?
Like, you know, this country hasevolved.
We're in a whole different ball game right now.
But there are a lot of people who are still thinking about in,
in back in the day. And that is not even relevant
these days because nobody's trying to go back like that.

(35:21):
Everybody's trying to figure outwhat the next thing is or not or
everybody get. Everybody was comfortable in
their way of doing things because when I came up, it was
like you get a job, you work your whole life and you retire.
And that's not young peoples wayof seeing things now.
It's not, it's not practical anymore, right?

(35:43):
Yeah. Like you have to have, you have
to have hustles, right? You have to have.
And that's what working in them clubs taught me because I was a
hustler. Because if you have one hustle
and somebody sees you making money, they're going to take
your hustle. Damn right.
And I'm like, OK, that's good. I, I, I want you to take my
hustle because I've got 10 in the hole.

(36:04):
Catch me if you can. I've always got things
incubating right? So that's why I'm always being
able to make money. I've always been able to be
successful and you know, of course I've had hard times, but
when things happen where that pissed me off or I didn't see it
happening, I battle never happened again.
I do something about it as opposed to complaining about it

(36:26):
and that's the way it's been in this whole journey.
That's why things keep good things keep happening.
Like right now I'm on 2 tours, you know what I'm saying?
And we do tons of shows. I'm playing this weekend in
Memphis with a band, right? We, we do a lot of corporate
stuff and at any time, you know,it's the playoffs, I'm sure

(36:46):
we're going to get a call to be,do a halftime like the, the
variety of things we get to do because one, we're clean and
two, we have a record that has stood the test of time.
You know, we're still viable, we're still relevant, we're
still culturally significant, right?
Because it's about energy, it's about bringing joy to people,

(37:09):
right? And that's what we do.
And that's what I take pride in.And I will ever, always first
and foremost be a DJ because those skills allow me to look at
anything and be able to adapt and keep people's attention,
move the crowd. And I understand what I'm, I
need to do when I see how peopleare acting.

(37:32):
And that's a gift because I, I mean, I DJ in the biggest clubs
in Atlanta, 3500 people every Saturday night.
And I got, I get to read that crowd.
You get to invent different things.
You get to move them how you want to.
Then when they trust you, now nobody can take your job, DJ.
But you have to. You have to be invaluable.

(37:52):
Absolutely. I learned how to do, you know,
I've been in Photoshop since thebeginning.
So I did all the Flyers. I did all the damn radio spots,
television spots, fast photography for the girls of the
strip club, getting them in magazines for marketing right,
making calendars. Everybody Followed Me is at the

(38:13):
forefront of something new. People like never stop at like
fighting another Ave. and dominating it.
Madison Ave. and say what are they doing?
Let me apply that to the three-game.
Wow. And come up with different
things that may me stand out from everybody else.
And everybody knew who I was. Did you, did you guys feel some

(38:34):
pressure after a loop there? It is like to recreate something
that was again that powerful. Did you guys feel that pressure?
But the the biggest mistake we made is that we were trying to
be hip hop. So we we, we got away from what
got us there. OK, Music was up tempo music.
Every song after that should have just been up tempo and

(38:56):
party, right? And we didn't do that, so you
know it. But then it was we were in a
messed up record situation too, comfort record company
situation. So like I said, we were doomed
from the start, right? And what you know what happened,
happened, but you fight, you know what I'm saying?
And you fight and you claw your way back.
And now you know, with that one song, I've been able to do have

(39:19):
a 30 year career, 32 year careeron one damn song.
Not too many people can say that.
No, because a lot of of them that had a a song explode like
that. Well, they disappear after
because they, they, they're stuck in that shadow that they
can't they, they, they came in to recreate themselves.
Not even necessarily a shadow. You got to keep working the

(39:40):
record. Everybody's situation is
different. So it might be, you know, one of
the members of the group died orit might be they don't even have
the rights to even perform the song because they got so they
got just so tore up, you know, on their, on their record deal.
Every, every artist that starts out signs a terrible record deal

(40:01):
is how you withstand that terrible record deal to get to
the next, the next contract, right?
So it's like, it's like the sports you're rookie contract.
If you get hurt in your second year, then you're not going to
get paid right? If you consistently hurt.
But if you have 3 stellar years and you make yourself
invaluable, then you're going toget your money.
And that's what you have to do as artist.

(40:22):
So it's not about the talent. It has nothing to do.
None of that has anything to do.It's about your deal.
If you got a good deal where youcan keep making records in
comfort, Sky's the limit. Absolutely.
So I have a segment about uncomfortable truth.
I'm gonna ask you uncomfortable truth about life, and let's see
where you go with this. Tell us an uncomfortable truth

(40:43):
about being a music artist. Hmm, Uncomfortable truth about
being a music artist is that it's difficult, right?
Like you have to learn. So here's why it's difficult,
because if you've had any success as artist, well, you

(41:04):
think like a star. Most people think like a star
and they expect people to do stuff for them, so they don't
take it upon themselves to make stuff happen for them.
Yeah, they expect somebody to just give them the word.
Expect things to happen. They expect people to do stuff
for them, whether it's a manager, whether it's a booking
agent, whatever. They just sitting back waiting.

(41:26):
I ain't doing that. I've never done that.
I, I I learned marketing inside out so I could be my own
marketer. I learned a PR inside out so I
could be my own publicist, right?
I do, you know, I book all of our shows and we have several
different booking agents, but I control it all because I know I

(41:49):
can close deals. Right.
Yeah. So I had to learn what the game
was. So how do you do all these
things? Well, you have to come up with
solutions, you have to learn howto learn.
This is not enough just to learnsomething, you have to learn how
to learn, right. Learning how to learn is well.
If I want to know something, letme join the organization that is

(42:11):
about. So we want after lawsuit, I
wanted to start touring again. Well, how can we start touring
again? We only got one song and it's 20
years later. Well.
Yeah, yeah. Let me figure out how the whole
concert industry works. So I join an organization called
International Entertainment Buyers Association.
Oh, so I can cut out the middleman by going straight to

(42:33):
the buyer and letting the buyer know who it is.
And that's what I did. And then now being an
entertainment buyer association,everybody in the industry knows
who I am. They know the record and I can
have a conversation with them because I understand the
industry. And what I understood is that
there are, it's not just about concerts.
You got casinos, you got cruise ships, you got parades.

(42:54):
Yeah, You know, you got state fairs, city fairs, county fairs,
you have NBA, NFL halftime shows, you have corporate
parties, you have private party.You have all these different
types of shows. And because we're clean, we can
do all that, and that's what we do all year round.

(43:17):
But I had to join the organization to get around the
people who actually do it. Cause you can read in the book
all day, you could take a course, you can do all those
things, but it's a difference because somebody's putting you
on game. They're telling you from their
experience. That's why organizations I when
I want to learn something, I join the organization.
I'm in 30 different organizations because when I
want to learn something, I join it.

(43:38):
An organizations are filled withpeople who've been doing their
thing. For years.
And at 10:20, 30-40 years and they can't wait for somebody who
needs help so they can just bragupon the things they did and
tell you what to do and most importantly, what not to do.
And that's how I learned. So I'm at every concert
organization. I mean, you know, writing

(43:59):
organizations I'm in, you know, I'm National Speakers
Association, I'm in television organizations, I'm in acting
organizations, I'm in voice overorganizations, I'm in grant
writing organization, anything that I need, marketing
organizations, PR organization, right?
That's how I learned all this stuff, because those are the
people who got the jobs and whenwe go to the conference, they

(44:21):
can tell me how to do it. You see what I'm saying?
So that's the thing where your question is, you know, your
question has a negative connotation because basically
saying what you know, what is messed up about being a music
artist, but what is messed up about being a music artist can

(44:43):
be your salvation. You see what I'm?
Saying yeah. And that's what everything so
that's, you know, you, you can'tdo it by yourself.
You need help. What do you think is an aspect
of being a music artist that is misrepresented by the movies and
media? It's not necessary.
So it's not misrepresented by the movies and the media because

(45:05):
everybody wants the same thing. Everybody wants to be a star,
right? Everybody wants to, like,
everybody wants to be a movie star, but nobody wants to be a
working actor, right? Nobody wants to be a working
music artist. Yeah, yeah.
I when If you're a working actor, that means you're
consistently booking roles. They might not be the biggest

(45:26):
roles, you might not be a star, but you're making money.
And if you're doing something you love, well, you got your
your. Direction, right?
So that's the biggest misconception, because people
that want to be stars take shortcuts, other cuts, then they
get frustrated why they can't bea * and then they start
submitting themselves to do things that they wouldn't

(45:47):
normally do because now that's being a star is a crack rock.
You see what I'm saying? And they might have had a little
success one time and they they just chasing it now.
And my father told me this at the beginning.
He was like, it's good that you doing what you doing proud of
you and everything, but don't chase.
Don't chase because when you face it, that's when you gonna,

(46:10):
that's when you, that's when youfall.
And I remembered that. So it was like I never wanted to
start them cause I was already, I'm feeling DJ, you a star.
You're the centre of attention, right?
And I already knew all the stars.
So why? And then I've just wasn't raised
like that. I didn't have to have that.
I had love, right? I had two parents.
I had parents. I had a whole community of

(46:31):
people who taught me right. And you know, when my ego got a
little bit out of hand, I got slapped back down.
You know, I knew it, right? So and it's that's one of the
hardest things of life is to youknow that that's when you're
truly a man, when you can, you know, sequester your pride and

(46:52):
kill your ego. Pride and ego can be this most
people's downfall. Yeah, cause it it could be the
the good part of you, but it could reflect to the other side
that ego and bring you to hell. Yeah.
And I trained myself to see, I, I, I don't think about the

(47:13):
problem, I think about the solution, right?
I'm trying to figure out solutions, right?
I thrive in the upside down, right?
I thrive in the bizarro world because there's a salute if you
can't. I mean, we're living in a
bizarre world now, somewhat. If you can't thrive in this
world, then you're not thinking the way you should be thinking,

(47:34):
right? So that's why there's no
excuses. As long as you breathe in there,
no excuses, you can you can comeup.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. When you're when you're
emotional about it and your ego gets in the way or your pride
gets in your way because you don't want to be wrong, you
don't wanna make mistakes, you don't think you think you're
better than you are or you thinkpeople are beneath you.
That's when you stay stuck and you can't even figure it out

(47:56):
because you're in your own way. Absolutely.
And you're seeing the evolution of the music industry.
For an artist like me who's beenputting out music for a year,
I've been writing for 21 years. How should we start creating
real opportunities for ourselvesto maybe get noticed by the
right people to find maybe a mentor or a manager, even label

(48:20):
to at least see us? Organization, you're getting the
Polestar, they got a book of all.
Every record company in the world, you're getting the
Polestar, they got a book of Every management company in the
world getting the Polestar, theygot a book of every.

(48:40):
They got support for everything,right.
So that organization is going tobe what you need to to even find
the people to even talk to, right.
So you know, for me with music, if I was to be an artist, you
have to think outside the box. Like for me to put out a record

(49:01):
right now would be just stupid because if I put our make a
record and everybody, I'm like, hey, everybody listen to my
record and people going to be like, man, DC did real good with
that GEICO commercial. You need to sit his old ass
down, right? But if I make a record submitted
to the ad agencies and give thempitches that you could use this

(49:23):
song with one of your ad agency pitches, or you go to the movie
industry because you're in the Screen Actors Guild or or, you
know, you're in a NAFTA, which is, you know, National
Association of Television Producers.
You go to that conference and you say I'm a musician and I'm

(49:44):
trying to get placement in movies.
Well, that's a way too. So if you get placement in
Movies Now, you don't need the marketing or anything.
The movie does it for you. If you have think about right
now, we're in the NBA playoffs. Every year in the NBA playoffs,
you're going to hear a beat where it's like, wow, that's a
cool ass beat. I wonder what that song is

(50:04):
because it's in a commercial right now.
That song becomes a hit commercial because for the next
three months, for the next two months, you're going to hear
that song over and over and overand over and over and over
again. Right now, that commercial has
done the work for. You.
Absolutely. You see what I'm saying?
You can make Christmas song, right?

(50:24):
You can make a Christmas song and submit it to everybody.
Because around in in December, everybody's looking for anything
Christmas. And if you submitted in July,
everybody's looking for anythingbecause that's when the
Christmas movies are made. You see what I'm saying?
There's always different way. You got to think outside, not
inside. Because people.

(50:45):
You want to be an artist and youwant to be.
That's the dreams to be a rock star.
Get it? But is different now.
The attention span is shorter. Oh yeah, for sure.
You haven't hit record, it's only gonna last two weeks,
right? But if it's placed, more people
are exposed to it in different ways because everybody doesn't

(51:05):
stream, but a lot of people watch sports, a lot of people go
to just drink. You know, everybody watches
movies, right? So now they're hearing the song
that they might not have heard because you you switched the the
platform. On.
Yeah, exactly. What I'm saying now, traction
and now it's up to you to put yourself out there, to be the

(51:25):
publicist, put yourself out there to be your own marketing,
put yourself out there to make the moves that you need to make
to get in those, to build those relationships, to be able to
submit more music because they trust you, because you did this
one thing. What do you think surprised the
people that make it and for the people that don't for the long
run? You gotta own your publishing.

(51:47):
You can have a mediocre record and live off and have a modest
income living off the publishingbecause it's going to get
licensed to to to movies. It's going to get licensed for
commercial. It's going to get licensed for,
you know, industrials, right? It's going to get, you could get
licensed for so many things. So it's about the business part

(52:08):
of it, right? The popularity.
You, you can't depend on that because it's not like it was
back in the day when we came out.
There was always going to be a song of the summer.
No Sound of summer is Tone Loke Wild thing Young MC Bust a move
Vanilla Ice Ice ice. Baby.
Yeah, that was huge. I mean, hip hop parade, those
were summer songs. They came out in April, in the

(52:30):
spring and lasted all through the summer, through the next
year, right? Won't there it is, right?
Those summer songs, they don't have that anymore, right?
And it probably, it probably canbe that way, but if you catch
it, you got a summer song that catches a spring break.
Now everybody goes back to theircollege town and they're playing
the hell of that into the summer.

(52:51):
Come on man, it's just it depends on how you do it.
And like I said, what I do is I get pretty much every course on
the planet Earth and I get everymusic book, every music chorus.
And when people ask me to help them, I say, OK, but I'm going

(53:12):
to give you homework 1st. And I give them my folder and I
said read up on music publishingand call me back in a month.
And they never call me back because everybody wants to be a
star. Nobody wants to make no money.
So, so you take the time out of your day to to send that folder
to somebody and they don't read it.
Wow. It's hard because it's the

(53:34):
business part of. It yeah, but it's really like
the the guy gave you the the thefirst step, just do it.
So that lets you know that wherewhere everybody's mind is at and
that lets you know that most people don't make it.
Most people don't make it right.For sure, for sure.
I would have took the time to read it like that.

(53:56):
I don't even understand that somebody make it so high.
And I'm going to send it to you and you can put your money where
your mouth is because it's, it'sabout, it's about everything the
music industry has to offer. Everything for the last 10
years, every music publishing book, all of it.
I've, I've even got the video, I've got videos, I've got

(54:16):
courses where it's just videos, people explaining it.
I've got everything And I stay up on it.
I add to it all the time. So we're never out of date.
How to do, how to get with distro kid, How to do this, how
to do that? All of that right?
I have that in one folder and I send it to people and they never
call me back because. I will call you back.

(54:37):
Guide you through it and get youto the next thing, right, and
the next thing and the next thing.
And you're going to start getting ideas because you
understand how the business works.
Once you understand how the business works, then you can act
accordingly. You can find avenues where other
people are not looking. You see what I'm saying?
You trying you fit in, but you you don't know where to go to

(54:58):
get in where you fit in. Yeah.
You start understanding how the whole industry works.
Now you can get in you you're listening to.
Most people are listening to YouTube videos, TikTok, stuff
like that. Instead of just understanding
what music publishing is, understanding what all these
things are and how they're relevant to today.

(55:21):
If you understand how all these things are relevant to today,
then there's a way that it can be done.
You get your music on Juke boxes, you can get your music on
all kind of things, right? I mean you it, it won't there.
It has been used so many times for so many things.
It's just always income coming in because we are the writers of
the song. So if you're the writer of the

(55:43):
song, every time it's played, you get a percentage of money.
Now the riders part is the, so there's two parts of publishing
is a rider shares, the publishershare, the publisher shares.
That was where the sink is, where, you know, they want to
use it for a movie. That's the thing to do.
They want to use it for a commercial.
That's the sink. That's a bigger chunk.
But the riders part is overall, from radio to television to

(56:06):
everything, and you get a small,you know, it's pennies, but it
all adds up because if you got ahit record playing all over the
world, then you got international.
And that is that is a nice like I don't have to work right.
I because I'm, but only because I'm only getting half of the
publishing. I still have to supplement that

(56:28):
because it's good. It's a good part of my income,
but it's not the sole part because it's only one song
catalog. If I had thousands of songs, if
I had Janet Jackson's catalog orR Kelly's catalog, people like
that who got tons of songs, thenI don't have to work ever again.
Just off the writers share, you see?
What I'm saying? So these are the things that you

(56:50):
have to know before you even go in because it's going to,
because what happens is it's traumatic and it'll it'll, it'll
blindside you and take you in places that you never thought
you could go. You know, it's kind of like
addiction, right? You'll find yourself in places
where you like how I gotta change my life.
I got to do because you, you gotto take the time to understand

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what you're getting into before you do it.
And I tried that, but sometimes it just don't.
You know, we, we, I went to the lawyers, but our lawyer was a
paralegal and he missed, he missed some things and those
things that he missed was just, it didn't, it didn't work.
It did. It messed us up.
Right now the key for me is thatI'm a grown ass man, so

(57:41):
therefore I don't blame anybody.I take full responsibility for
my my history and what happened to me and as long as you can
just this will leave you. As long as you breathing,
there's nothing. That's not possible.
Absolutely. You know, back in the day,
Perfect exam, back in the day, we made a record with Disney

(58:03):
called Wound. There went and I'm up here
teaching the voices of Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse husband
and wife team how to rap. Let me see about voiceover in
animation. But because of my hubris as a
young man, because I'm on the small Starship, I don't realize
where I'm at and don't realize the opportunity it had a

(58:27):
parlayed into something even bigger.
And I beat myself up for years, right, because I was there.
But passport? Now I'm a voice artist.
They got that. That's under 3 or 4 different
talent agencies. That does work, so it's a part

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of my income. 1995, I'm sitting in the office of New Line
Cinemas, you know, new presidentbecause our manager went to
school with him and he's trying to throw me a bone.
Talk about he, he can cast me for this movie.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, talk to Pam.
She can hook it up. But he knew I wasn't really

(59:10):
serious. And he was like, you know, the
leads are LL Cool. We're fighting between LL Cool J
and Wesley Snipes, and we got topick which one who wants to be
it's, you know, wants to be leaders.
Like it's a vampire movie. It's called Blade.
I beat myself up for years causeI was.
Because that was a hell of of, of, of a movie.
The first one especially, you know.

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Yeah, it's the first blade. Yeah, yeah, that was.
Big form, new line. They might have had two movies
under their belt. Yeah, right.
And it was Blade Man. But Fast forward now, I'm a
working actor. Dynasty P Valley things people
play reeducation of Molly SingerGEICO commercial.
I'm an actor. You see what I'm saying?

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Now it's up to me to get to thatlevel.
But if I had started back then and had the mindset I had now,
I'd be straight. Because I'm not going to let it.
I'm going to get better at it because I'm going to figure it
out, right? I'm going to go to every class
like I was. I was really on my way with acne
until the pandemic hit. Once the pandemic kid, it was

(01:00:14):
like that changed everything. But then there was Active
Strike, There was all these obstacles, but I still haven't
given up. But now it's slow.
But that's why I have voice over.
That's why I still got tag team.That's why I do marketing,
That's why I'm SEO. I do SEO, search engine
optimization, ability to get on the front page, Google.
That's why I'm I'm marketing right now.

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That's why I'm very savvy and AIbuilding my own.
I got A tag team, tag team language model.
Anything I write, it's exactly what I want to be in that
article or that blog post or that right, because I've built
that language model, the GBT, they're going to go back and get

(01:00:55):
a time article from 1993, which that information is relevant,
but that's back then. I need you to know what I'm
doing now to make it enticing enough to what I'm trying to do
now. That's why education, it's so
important, because when I say education, people to me and I
got to read you, you could do this other ways.

(01:01:18):
Like you just totally dismissed it because I said education,
It's learning how to learn. It's the, it's the game.
I'm giving you game. I'm not teaching you anything.
I'm giving you game. It's a difference, right?
And you know, I had, I had to realize a long time ago that

(01:01:40):
everybody's not me, and this ain't for everybody.
For sure. So don't get mad at people when
they don't. I don't get mad at people when
they don't help. You know, they don't respond.
I don't get mad. I don't.
I don't do that. I you give what you want first,
and that's why I'm blessed. Yeah, a lot of people expect

(01:02:01):
something to be given that without them giving something
back. But especially, especially in
careers like we have like it, you got to understand that
you're going to work for free toto get the end goal at certain
point there. You got to give something to
give get something back, that's for sure.
I'll do a free show if I think Icould get 30 down the road,

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right? Yeah, I don't care because
that's. All you see at the bigger
picture, that's what you look at.
You know what I mean? The wrong game, right?
So, you know, that's, that's what I want to leave you with
that anything is possible, but you have to stay on top of
technology. You have to stay on top and you
cannot let life pass you by. I've watched a lot of people die

(01:02:50):
because they let life pass them by, so when something traumatic
happened, they don't know how todeal with it.
They're in a disadvantage, right?
Yeah. And there's always like.
I learned this lesson back in 2000 when they went from vinyl
to CDJ's. I learned a lesson 1 before we

(01:03:11):
went from cassette tapes to to vinyl, I mean to CD because I
would sell mixtapes and then it was like, you ain't got no CD.
And I was like, I'll do his mixtapes.
And then I, my, my money suffered so I had to go get the
CD machines to, to come to stay up on it, which I should have
seen it coming and I didn't. Same with that.

(01:03:31):
I'll never DJ. I'm a purist.
I'll never DJ with no damn CD's.And I almost lost my job because
I did that. And that's when I thought I ship
will never happen again. I will never be like, I'm
alright. I'm doing this old school stuff,
right? And that's what's happening in
today's society. It's like, you know, people lost

(01:03:52):
their manufacturing jobs and they sitting around waiting for
their manufacturing jobs to comeback.
But they ain't never coming backthe way it was.
Ain't gonna come back. I would love to go back to the
night because we was making money in the 90s.
Yeah, yeah, I could have bought,you know, you could buy Realist
man. You could do all kind of stuff.
But though that's not happening now, you have to figure out what

(01:04:14):
it is and what the opportunity is now.
And that's why I tell people it's like when they make laws,
when they put stuff on the books, don't complain about it.
Go and read it cause it's in a document somewhere.
Really figure out what they're doing so you could take, you can
adapt your business to that new law so you can come up on it

(01:04:36):
because there's always going to be somebody not getting it.
There's always gonna be somebodygetting it.
That is so true for for our lastquestion, I know you're, you're
big into self improvement and mental performance, especially
through NLP and and learning howthe brain works.

(01:04:56):
What's 1 of the What's 1 mental reframe or inner dialogue shift
that completely changed your life or career that you
discovered? Is ever evolving.
Learn. OK I can tell you.
Learning how to learn. That's it.
You have to learn how to learn. So most people say read a book.

(01:05:19):
But. You know, you know, audio books.
What about, you know, going to going to class?
What about calling the master ofthe industry and say how much
it's going to cost for me to foryou to teach me one-on-one,
right? You gotta learn how to learn.
What are the tricks of learning,right?
Like I learned right right now, if I build a prompt, put it in

(01:05:42):
ChatGPT and it gives me the answer, well, I could read it or
I could have it read to me. And if it reads well, it writes
well, man. So it's like you have to learn
how to, you might, you might miss something reading it that
you did. You don't miss when you hear it.

(01:06:03):
Whenever I get a script, I throwit into.
I throw it into AI because I cantell it what to do.
I can get ideas, right? If I want to make a song, I'd be
like, OK, I'm trying to make a song about this.
Give me 50 different titles thatyou might come up with and you
might take the 1st 2 words from one title and finish it with the
three last words and another title.
You see what I'm saying about seeing it, right?

(01:06:27):
You see it, you hear it, you read it.
You know what I'm saying? You use all your senses to learn
what you need to do, and then you do test.
And I tested during shows, right?
I write comedy routines not to be a comedian, but to have
better interaction with people. When I'm in front of 20,000

(01:06:50):
people rocking, rocking a stadium, a rocking arena, right?
And that's just deejaying to me.Yeah, a lot of people are gonna
take that AI like, oh, I don't want to get into this, but it's
like this stuff like we're gonnajust, it's just going to get
bigger. So might as well use the tools

(01:07:11):
that that maybe you have to to get an advantage.
If you do it right, this is whatAI is for you.
I'm sure everybody said man, I wish there was you.
If you feel you're smart, then you wish there was 3 of you,
because then you can have three because you only know what you
want to do. You only know your vision.

(01:07:31):
Man, I wish there was 3 of me. Well, AI is your second brain.
Exactly. If you build out the language
model, building out the languagemodel is is as simple as putting
all the information about the thing that you want to write
about the thing that you want tomake pitch.
That's about the thing you want to make Flyers about, the thing
that you want to put a podcast together about, the thing that

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everything that you want to do about, that's a language model.
And now that's the second brain.And that brain evolves as you
add more stuff to it, as you addmore prompts, as you ask more
questions. It's a it's, it's another you.
Yeah, exactly. So it takes on a whole another
life of you. Well, there can be another you
when it comes to acting. There could be another you when

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it comes to this, When it comes to that, that is how you use a.
Absolutely. Is is is you now if you just
throwing stuff in, asking the mundane questions, well, then
you're just out in society with you.
You know, everybody's brain is building the language model.
Then you're going to get just. You're not going to be.

(01:08:34):
It's not going to be pinpointingit is not your.
Brain. You have to put your brain into
a language model and it starts learning.
And now you can really bang out things that you would have had
to pay somebody to do. And even if you pay somebody,
dude, they might not get it the way you want them to get.
It. Yeah, exactly.
I've learned that the hard way, but I'm good at it now.

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And, you know, I just encourage everybody to get good at what
you need to do to get where you need to go.
Perfect. So thanks again for coming on
the podcast. And I want to thank you for
letting me come on here and run my mouth, man.
And like I said, I'm going to send you that folder.
We going to see what you're going to.
Do damn right bro. So thanks everybody for coming
on and have a great weekend everybody, man.