Dr. Nuccitelli's iPredator Identifying Online Psychopaths: From Troll Triad to Dark Psychology EP63

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Personally, what do you think his fucking problem was?
Well, there, that's another great question.
Yeah, for sure. There was, this is awesome shit,
man, there was and I had nothingto do with it.
This. The University of Manitoba back
in 2014 did a huge study on Internet trolls and what they've

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done again, and I use it and thank you because I talk about
almost every radio interview I do because I really want to piss
off the trolls that are watching.
And let them right? What they found, it's called the
Dark Tetrad. What they found is that Internet
trolls are at much higher rates of being sadistic, narcissistic,

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Machiavellian and psychopathic. A welcome back to the Rumbling

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That's DJ Rhett Sam people. Today's episode is really
important to me as we're going to explore the complex world of
cyber psychology, online safety,and the psychological impact on

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this digital age. I'm honored to have a doctor,
Michael Newton. New Chelli is a Nutella, New
Chetali OK Michael Nuccitelli, licensed psychologist, forensic
expert, and the mastermind behind Eye Predator Inc.
Since 2009, Michael has been at the forefront of combating

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online predation, offering critical insights into the
psychological tactics used by cyber predators and how we can
safeguard ourselves from these fuckers.
With over 2 decades of experience cyberpsychology,
Michael has been recognized for his work in cyber stalking,
online addiction and and the Internet enabling crimes.

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His unique approach of blends psychology experts with forensic
analysts, helping individuals and organizations understand the
the contract of the dark side ofthis Internet.
Whether you're tackling troll trades, online psychopaths or
offering a guidance for those dealing with cyber bullying,

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Michael's insights are invaluable people and he's one
of the leading voice in this digital safety.
And today we're lucky to tap into his knowledge.
Welcome to the Rumbling Fast podcast Michael, how you doing?
Soon and happy 2025 to you and your audience.
Yeah, let's go 2025. Yeah, it's here, finally.

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And today we're going to be talking about I Predator, the
name of the concept, which is a dark side of cyberspace concept
that includes 8 different types of online aggressors, which we
certainly can cover. So I will follow you.
Yeah. What inspired you initially to
create Eye Predator and how has the landscape of online

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presentation evolved since the its inception in 2009?
Fascinated with psychology dating back to even when I was a
kid, probably really predating you, but when I was a child, I
was, you know, with my parents watching the Bob Newhart Show,
which those that are boomers andmaybe some, you know, early ex

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Gen. But Bob Newhart was a
psychologist who had a gorgeous,gorgeous wife.
Her name was Suzanne Pleshette. I fell in love with her
goodness. And.
Seven or eight years old and my family told me if you went home
like that, you have to become a psychologist or someone,
something like Bob Newhart. So I've been fascinated with

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psychology, not just because it's Suzanne Pleshette.
God she was gorgeous, but. Pushes that we need a a good
career because that's what they tell us when we're kids, Amanda,
like, go get that big career. You're gonna get that girl at
the end, and the girl, they justtell her you go get a great man.
That's it. So Needless to say I got my
doctor degree in clinical psychology, but I really became

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fascinated even to this day intowhat is called forensic
psychology, psychology, psychopathy, sociopathy and my
past life goodness. It's been about 1520 years now.
I was a forensic psychologist doing assessments and criminals,
civil and family courts. Then from there moving on early

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on I wrote a concept called darkpsychology back in 2006, which
is at the website free to download to print which is dark
psychology is chat, what I call is the dark side of human
consciousness. Also back then I was very
interested in studying psychopathy went up to Toronto

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and took the training through that one that through but
created by Doctor Robert Hare. He is the father of modern
understanding of psychopathy. So I took the training for these
psychopathic deviant scale, and that really got me lit.
And from that point on, I have spent my, well, the last

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goodness, 2025 years studying the dark side.
Religious folks would call it evil.
Yeah. Those of us that are in criminal
psychology, criminology, you've got the pedophile, the deviant,
you know, the sexual say, I mean, and on and on and on.
And around 2009, 2010, the lightbulb went off when I realized

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that if I was a deviant, if I was a pedophile, if I was a
psychopath and I was looking to exploit and take advantage of
others where best to go Boo. And that's when the the light
bulb went out. And back in 2009, I wrote the
concept of my predator because and I predator, you can sit or

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you can use your mobile device and you can be whoever the fuck
you want to be and nobody knows.So it is you, if you're going to
target somebody, you as the I predator, you decide whether
you're going to divulge your identity or you want to be
completely anonymous, which I call the veil of anonymity.

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Wow, so wow, there's a lot of toa back right there.
What? What do you do in II Predator
exactly now? Well, by day I that's, that's
after working on the weekends. By day I'm a clinical
psychologist. I have my own group practice
where I treat the chronically mentally ill, schizophrenia, ask

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he's affective bipolar, some dementia, some alcohol and drug
addiction. So I see, you know, about 60 to
70 patients weekly. I also have other psychologists
and social workers at other facilities that do the same
thing. Then after work and on the
weekend when I do all my I predator stuff, you know, I

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publish every day my my novice attempt at graphic design, my
educational cyberbullying, cyberstalking.
Yeah you know you can call them PSA or public domain images, but
I post them throughout my socialmedia.
And I also what I do after work is since 2010 I have volunteered
after working on the weekends helping those that have been

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cyber attacked. Now mind you, I am a tech idiot.
I know very good technology. I mean, goodness, hooking up my
microphone today, Outlook now. Meanwhile, I've hooked up my
microphone. I don't know if you have any
times during these interviews, but every single time I get
worried. Oh my God, I hope I can connect.
That's how much of an idiot I am.

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When it comes to technology. My expertise is between the
ears, which is the cyber psychology.
And what cyber psychology? Well, psychology is the study of
human behavior. Cyber psychology is the study of
human behavior as it relates to information and communications
technology, social media, e-mail, digital device.

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For anything that is communication technology falls
under what is called ICT, information Communication
technology by Predators, which we're going to discuss today.
They live in what I call the dark side of cyberspace.
It's good cause my next questionwas how do you define a cyber

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psychology? So after that is, why is it now
more important than ever to understand this shit?
Well, that's a great question. Then we, we live and we live in,
in cyberspace essentially now, you know, not to date myself.
I don't want to give MK there's trolls out there, cyber

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criminals. Is that I'm, I'm well, I could
say I'm 60 years old. So I grew up in a pre
information age world. OK, wasn't until I hit my, you
know, 40s and then 50s that I was introduced to information
technology. Social media.
Today, from most people, from the time we wake up to the time

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we go to bed, we are surrounded by information communication
technology. Whether it's social media,
whether it's webcasting like this, whether it's online
gaming. Even at work, when I go to work
and I sit down, I meet with my patients and I do my notes.
I'm using an electronic medical records old school in a pre

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information age world. I'd break that shit down.
I'd write a progress now. Now everything's done online.
So we are literally enveloped byinformation technology.
And what do we live in? The information Age, which
started in the late 1970's. The birthday of the Internet is
1983. So for all of us, including you

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and your listeners, we are at the beginning of a period of
history called the Information Age, which likely is going to
last a couple of century. And now we're just being
introduced to the next, to the next, I guess, chapter of
information technology, which isvirtual reality and artificial

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intelligence. And those are the big two.
Within 100 years, a century fromnow, it is all going to be
completely different. But Needless to say, there still
will be eye predators and they will be more advanced and they
will be more technological savvy.
Absolutely. And I had a, another expert of
cyber bullying and he's more on the tech side.

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And he, he told me that the, thethird biggest revenue in the
world every year is cybercrime with $9.5 trillion.
I was like, what the fuck? So it's two countries, one and
two and then it's a crime. I was like, what the fuck?
That is a lot of money. And you keep seeing these heroes

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on YouTube like calling these scammers, wasting these scammers
times and exposing them to, to try to thank God we have these
people because the police can't do everything with these cyber,
cyber like stalking and stuff. There's a lot of people that are
living, stalking and can't really, there's not a law like
he's really crossing yet. So it's such a touchy fucking

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thing because technology advanced so fast And back then,
like 60 years ago, when you wanted to stalk somebody where
you were at his window looking inside his home, it was the only
way. But now they're the the laws
didn't advance what what it gaveus.
So these criminals have been advanced a few steps ahead of

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the laws that because I don't even know if that we can create
laws with algorithms to like figure out if people are doing
that unless we break the privacyof people.
Like it's, it's crazy. It's such such a touchy world in
the information, a world that weare in.
Growing so real quickly. I want to give you I'm assuming

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we have a little. Bit of time here.
Yeah, we got time. 8 typologies that make up the eye predator.
OK, so first and foremost, and again with my concept, there's
others who may see this and think, you know, disagree with
it a little bit. So the first one is
cyberbullying. Cyberbullying and most people
that study and have expertise incyber psychology, cyber bullying

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is child on child cyber attacks,it's pediatric.
It occurs among children. Is that so?
That is the first one. Cyber bullying.
The adult manifestation of cyberbullying are cyber harassers,
Internet trolls and cyber stalkers.
That's where it gets a little bit more serious than what you
just brought up are cyber criminals.

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Then we have cyber, cyber terrorists that God, there
hasn't been a loss of life due to cyber terrorism yet.
That's just around the corner. Then we have online child
predators and then online child pornography and distribution.
Those eight typologies make up the concept of I predator now

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very, very simple, because I'm not, you know, I'm not the
smartest man in the world. I'm very competent.
There are three criteria to knowif you are an I predator or if
somebody you suspect is an ipredator.
Very common sense, first and foremost.
First criteria is the use of information and communication

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technology to target somebody. To, to, to, to hurt, to steal
from, to exploit, to tease, to toint, to molest.
So it's the use of information technology to harm another
person or persons. That's first criteria #2 is
self-awareness that you're causing harm using information

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technology. Now we get into the legal
aspects. You brought that up a little
bit. When we talk about criteria 2 is
a self-awareness when we're whenwe're dealing with some children
and their cyber bullying other, each other, a lot of times they
don't know the harm and the anguish stress that they're

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causing another child. So when the cyber bullies caught
and confronted, oftentimes they'll say I was just kidding.
I didn't know that I was doing what I was doing.
So the mitigating factors are play a role.
And then you have folks that suffer from psychiatric illness
where they don't know when they're cyber stalking, you know

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how much harm they're causing somebody else.
So criteria 2 is a self-awareness of causing harm
using information technology. And then #3 the third criteria
to be and I predator is what I call cyber stealth.
But really what cyber stealth is, is online deception.
And I brought that, I talked about that in the beginning.

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That is where I use online deception.
Either I completely hide my identity where you don't know
and I'm anonymous, which I call the veil of anonymity, or using
my digital smoke and mirrors I distort my my identity or I
distort my intentions on why I'mtargeting you.

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OK. You're using information
technology to harm. You have self-awareness that
you're hurting somebody and if you bend the truth and you use
deception using technology or your gift of gab and if you meet
those 3 criteria, you are an accreditor.
Wow, OK, So we could, like, follow those guidelines too.

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Because I'm sure like, like you said, like most kids, like,
don't know the impact of these words on other people.
And it's crazy because back thenand the time, the only time you
could get bullied is when you were with people and you would
go home and you would be in thissafe, safe space.
But now there's no more safe space because if you got an

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Instagram, that's another way toget you and then tick tock and
then another. If I may that that is.
That is spot on. OK.
For instance, when I was a kid and I had to and I was bullied
before I went through puberty and got up to be 6/1, I had the
shit beat out of me in the in the sports field, so forth and
so on. And after I was bullied and you

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bring it up, I was able to go home.
Yeah, exactly. Home to my neighborhood, to my
friend, to my family. So I was able to to find
sanctuary. Then you had summer vacation,
you had holidays, you had, you know, respite.
You had time. Today, children who are cyber
bullied and targeted, it is 24/7, 365.

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So the weekends, whether it's Christmas, whether it's a
holiday, they can be targeted 24/7.
The other piece is and, and it'scalled cyberbullying by proxy.
Not only am I fucking with you, I'm getting my friends.
I'm encouraging and. Lowers.
Followers to target you as well.So now it's not just me that's

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targeting you, it's myself and anybody else I get.
And now you have a child who's being cyberbully and he or she
doesn't know what to do. A lot of people try to censor
people like that and they, they make their, their whole fans go
report another YouTuber because they, they don't like what they

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say or whatever. And so you have these, these
waves of like 5000 people going to report one YouTube channel
just to censor him. It's incredible.
There were a lot of people are trying to censor other people.
And that's what Eli Musk figuredout when he he bought Twitter.
He got into Twitter and he was realizing that they just had

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switches on off on so many people.
Like literally censor. You thought that you were
sending it to the masses, but no, they were limiting for who
you were really sending it to. You abuse the power of a large
corporation, big tech, to censorAmericans and you want to know
something? Guess what?

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I'm so glad that you're censoreddown.
I'm so glad you've lost your jobs.
Thank God a lot of Elon Musk bought Twitter.
You know, at your company where your former company where you
worked, Twitter employees, over 98% of them donate to Democrats.
So while you coordinated with DHS, the FBI, the CIA, our
government, and outside groups to permanently ban, shadow ban

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conservative Americans and candidates like me and the
former President of the United States, President Donald J
Trump. You were censoring and
wrongfully violating our First Amendment free speech rights.
Guess what? None of you hold security
clearances, none of you are elected, and none of you

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represent 750,000 people like I do.
It's incredible. So if it's not literally
attacking you, they're just going to censor you off the map.
Exactly and it's and it's only grown.
I mean, not to get not that I work for you, but I, I think X
is again, I, I think it's wonderful.

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I, I was on Twitter what since 2009, 2010, I rarely used it
because it was so heavily not toget into politics and stuff like
that, but it certainly wasn't even handed.
But now, now that Musk is takingit over, I go to X for all my
news. I post my edge.
When I get the link from this interview, I'll post it there.

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So I I that's right. Now that is my favorite social
media platform. Yeah.
Comes down to its understanding what it means to be targeted,
OK. It's understanding that we are
at the beginning of a period of history, as I said earlier,
called the information age. So oftentimes, as I said, I

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volunteer after work and on the weekends.
Matter of fact, tonight I have two calls I have to make to help
some folks that have been attacked.
The vast majority, I wouldn't say all of them, but I would say
between 60 and 70% of everyone that I, that I've spoken to,
which must be several 100 by now.
They have already been to the police.

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They have called their local courts, they have called the
platforms, well written the platform.
They have gone to their family. And unfortunately, when they go
to their family, their loved ones, their loved ones, they
just blocked them. Turn them off, delete it.
You're being melodramatic. You're going crazy.
What the loved ones don't understand, nor does the system

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is that, as I said earlier, 24/7365 and I have worked with
people who have been Internet troll.
I've been trolled as well. We could do a whole fucking show
on what it means to be trolled. That trolls will call your job.
They'll call your family. I have helped people that have

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lost their job because of Internet trolls and that is
growing. So it's understanding that
although we're sitting here talking on a digital device,
it's understanding that it can be incredibly damaging what an
what an eye predator can do, notjust to to you, the target, but

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to your job, your life and your life, yes.
There's a there's some Youtubersthat got fined or or a gaming
guys online that that got fined because people called police on
his place saying that he was suicide or something or just to
bring the cops there. So a swat team arrives when the

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guy is online just playing his life.
People there jealousy is a sickness and since these fuckers
can hide behind anonymous well that it's free for all and you
could Create an e-mail in two seconds and it's fucking
ridiculous. So like the family said, I'll
block him. You can block him, but he just

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creates another fucking profile.Like he's probably not behind
that. That monkey face that you're
seeing right there, it's not him, it's a human and he's
hiding behind that. What is the the concept of the
troll trade and how does it relate to online presentation?
Have as well right back. Thank you and not that I'm
sending you a marketing check for, but thank you troll triad.

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Back in 2014, 2015 I was heavilytrolled by a Internet radio
owner and his two colleagues. 1 was a dentist and the other one
was just a propaganda so forth. But I was targeted for an entire
year. So troll triad.
So what he would do is is that he would go on and his podcast,

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then he would defame character assassinate me.
So not only was I getting trolled by these three online
users, I started getting calls and emails from his listeners.
So the troll triad is a, is a construct that introduces in
groups of Internet trolls. So it's three, it can be 3000.

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The the cerebral is the brains of the operation.
The the cerebral in the group isthe one who designs what's going
to be done to the target. 2nd isthe provocateur.
The provocateur is it takes thatinformation and begins to study
and how are we going to influence, how are we going to

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social engineer, how are we going to get others to listen to
what we're saying and then to goafter the target.
And then the third archetype in the troll tribe is the crier.
And that was the Internet radio host, the crier, because what he
did was he took the information from the the cerebral and then

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he took the the dynamics and thestructure about how the
provocateur wanted it spread. And as a crier, he went online
during his podcast and put it out there that is troll triad.
So troll triad is is a minimum of three, but it can be 3000
where you have segments, but there are groups of Internet

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troll online users that target aperson, a community, A cause.
And now, slowly but surely, whatwe're learning nations.
Personally, what do you think his fucking problem was?
Well, there, that's another great question.
Yeah, for sure there. Was this is awesome shit, man,
there was and I had nothing to do with it.

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This the University of Manitoba back in 2014 did a huge study on
Internet trolls and what they'vedone again, and I use it and
thank you because I talk about almost every radio interview I
do because I really want to pissoff the trolls that are
watching. And let them right?
What they found, it's called thedark tetrad.

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What they found is that Internettrolls are at much higher rates
of being sadistic, narcissistic,Machiavellian, and psychopathic.
OK, psychopathic is they don't give a shit about targeting you.
Machiavellians. The ends justify the means.
Whatever they gotta do to take you down there.

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You OK sadistic? OK, sadistic is nothing more
than enjoying the harm they're causing somebody else.
And then the last one, narcissistic is the pride.
I feel that I was able to take down your damn podcast and get
it off the Airways, the dark tetrad.

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And that is what is amazing because it really looks at the
typologies of these online usersthat I mean, when you think
about it, my friend, it takes time, it takes effort, it takes
energy. Sometimes it takes money.
If they have a little bit of cash and you about the shit that
they're doing, they're sitting behind their their desktop or

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they're using their their mobiledevice and they're fucking with
you. Yeah.
And they enjoy it. And they're looking for the
proverbial pat on the back from their friends who are also
saying, yeah, go for it, go after them.
And that's what the Internet troll, what I call the predatory
troll is, is an individual that is psychopathic, Machiavellian,

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narcissistic. And you know, that is the type
of individuals that we're dealing with.
Now. Another quick thing I want to
bring up that's related to cyberpsychology and that is the sub
concept of ipredator. It's called odor and odor
stands. For that was my next question.
What is the concept of odor? Odor is offline.

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Distress dictates online response.
So whatever is going on in my offline world, whether I'm
happy, whether I'm sad, manic, psychiatric, pissed off, however
you want to define I, you know, I got yelled at by my my boss,
you know, which is that Freudianstuff of supplementation.

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Whenever my offline condition and psychological condition
directly affects what I do online information, OK, and it's
always gonna be this way, can only be manipulated and managed
in three ways. We can compile information and
data, we can disseminate information or we can exchange

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information. Those are the only three ways
that information can be manipulated and processed.
Within those 3 is where the I predator comes in and where if
I'm pissed off or if I just drank 1/2 a pint you.
Know alcohol? I get on, I'm kind of pissed off

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now I go online and I can becomeI predator, alright.
And that's what is so essentially from an Internet
safety standpoint, when I give advice on, you know, Internet
safety is is check yourself. I mean, if you're going to smoke
a little grass, that's cool. You're going to drink, you know,
just mind yourself. Know that when you get online,

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how you interpret what you're seeing and hearing, what you're
saying, and how you're exchanging with others.
How you felt before you sat downand got online directly affects
how you're presenting. And how you can impact others.
So it would be nice to just takethe time to like is it worth it?
What what I'm about to post at 2:00 AM half drunk?

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Probably not Post COVID web psychological challenges have
you seen emerge most frequently in your practice.
Well, I'm sorry when you say my practice working with the
chronically mentally ill or dealing in eye predator.
Dealing with eye predator. OK.
So, well, I would say that I mean obviously COVID, post

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COVID, but even I mean, it's what we're starting to see now
is more Internet addiction or are becoming compulsive
dependent. So as I said earlier, we are
enveloped from the moment we getup to the moment we go to bed.
That doesn't mean we're addictedto the computer.
I mean, so I mean on the weekends I love going bike

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riding. I live in a great part of, you
know, Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn.
I love taking my bike out. I do a lot of stuff offline, OK,
but at work and seeing all my patients, I'm using the computer
to do my notes. I'm showing them YouTube songs
and music, so forth and so on. I'm coming home right now to

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educate a community who are, youknow, your followers on I
Predator and using technology. But when I turn it off, I don't
go through withdrawal. I don't feel a sense of missing.
Yeah, Internet addiction is on the rise where it is a
compulsive dependency. There is a term and I've helped

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a couple of people and it, it's,it's funny, but it really isn't.
It's called nomophobia. And what nomophobia is, is when
a person cannot find a hotspot to their mobile device or they
cannot connect or they can't locate their their mobile phone.
And when they can't do that, they experience panic and

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anxiety. Remember, it's been a couple of
years. I don't wanna divulge too many
details, but I helped a woman who called me on her land
baseline and a panic because shecould not find her mobile
device, her cell phone. She was crying.
And basically I had to be regular psychologist, Dr.

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Neuchatel to calm her down because she was literally having
a panic attack. Wow.
Well, by the grace of God, it turns out when she had gotten
out of her garage, the phone hadfell behind the the the rear
well of a front tire and she ultimately was able to find it.
But leading up to that she was in sheer panic because she

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couldn't find her phone. That is how some people get so
immersed with their devices and with information technology.
Yeah, like I saw on another another podcast when I was a
kid, I was like 16. My mom the the if she would want
to punish me, she'd be like, oh,you got to stay in the house.

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I know I have to stay in the house.
Like I wasn't free to just live.And now it's like, I'll take you
your Wi-Fi off. OK, Mom, though, is the same
impact, but we're such an A different world.
We always wanted to stay outside.
But when I was a kid, and we're talking about just like 16 years
ago, so Facebook had just started at everything.

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But now they're we're just the so addicted to this shit that if
you take it the Wi-Fi off it forthe kids that they're sad for a
week. And it's only and it's only
continued. I mean, online gaming in and of
itself is a pleasure. That, that's where they get me.
And addiction where people can go, you know, when I was a kid,

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Atari, you know, is the beginning.
Yeah, this stuff, but today, youknow, people can not just kids,
but grown adults don't go, you know, 12/16/24 I help somebody
and a year ago when 36 hours at war crap I I forget the games.
I I purposely don't do online gaming because I could foresee

(34:24):
myself getting addicted to it toonline gaming, but it's very
addicting. But on a serious note, when we
talk about eye predator, we talkabout particularly with with
with cyber bullying. We are the 1st generation going
forward to deal with the term and the concept called cyber
bully side. And that is when a child takes

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his or her life, commits suicidebecause they're being cyber
bullied. And when you think about that,
it's absolutely incredible what I can't figure out yet.
And, and again, I could be wrong, but I do believe what we
see, interpret and what we do online has a different effect to

(35:08):
our mind. And you know, one of the things
I always say is cyberspace is anextension of human
consciousness. And not that it's essentially a
true extension yet, but we become so absorbed into
technology and what we're doing on social media to where, for

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instance, if we were offline andyou and I are hanging out and I
call you an asshole, you get pissed off, so forth and so on.
But if it occurs online and I call you an asshole and then
three other my friends as I likeit nice whole, like it hard it
share it, it has a different effect.
Like God damn right. And that's what I can't explain

(35:51):
you. It's not just the numbers of
online users that can target you.
For some reason information technology is able to tap into
human consciousness differently than if it occurs offline.
Well for example, alright stalking and cyber stalking, all

(36:12):
your followers know what that is.
But in my travels and in helpingI have helped people that have
told me is being cyber stock is far more fear provoking, terror
provoking. For.
Sure. Then being stalked offline.
Now, when you think about that, it's odd because when you're

(36:33):
being stalked offline, that thatstalker, that that assailant can
can attack you, approach you, beat the shit out of you and
sometimes really become lethal and take your life, which Irish
talking. Don't get me wrong, it can lead
to that. Yeah.
Yeah. You're not dealing with somebody
right in your face or somebody with a gun to your head.

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Cyberstalking. It's all done online.
But yet people that I've helped tell me it creates more fear and
more terror than if it were to occur offline.
I can't explain that yet. Why?
I think it's because the of the anonymous of not knowing that
person directly. Often I I think that's what

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scary. It's like a girl, let's say she
it's a winner and she walks between two buildings and
there's a guy walking. She could be stressed because
it's a dude, but put him a ski mask on.
Even if it's winter, it's normal.
Well, out of nowhere, you don't know, you don't see the face.
So it's like an anonymous. So you almost can't trust them.

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So I think that's what it does with online.
And you were talking about like people taking their lives, uh,
because of the cyber bullying and stuff.
It's incredible. I remember when I was in school,
there was a girl that gave a private picture to a dude and
the good the dude like a physical photo.

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And this dude showed everybody took copies and the whole school
knew like in like 2 weeks. And this girl's been traumatized
forever since then. And now when that happens, I
seen a lot take take take their own life there because it's a
choice going on long fans. But when you you give a a

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private photo to a dude and the dude put it online to the world
to see it, it's the same as before but on a scale of fucking
so bigger. So that's what's scary.
Could you share a memorable caseor story from your work helping
others that were targeted by cyber assailants?

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I, I don't have a specific one that stands out.
I mean, the nomophobia case, thebiggest piece to bring up is
that the vast majority of peoplewho are calling me again,
anybody can call. I, I do the seven days a week is
that the majority of them have, you know, either bent to the

(39:08):
police, the court system, and then others go to their loved
ones and their loved ones minimize it.
So when they call me and I'm nothing special, I'm just a, you
know, you know, psychologist, cyber psychology who created
this theory. They're calling me and they're
verbally saying they're at the end of the rope.
Nobody listens to them, nobody gives a shit.

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And what I've learned is unless you've been targeted, you were a
loved one, you don't really knowhow fucked up it is and how
stressful it can be to be targeted.
And you kind of hit the nail on the head.
It's the unpredictable nature. So when I said earlier about
being bullied in a pre information age world, I got to

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go home, back to my yard, my friends, my neighborhood,
today's children, when they're targeted, when they're
cyberbully, they don't know whenit's going to happen.
It Saturday afternoon, it could be Christmas Eve and it's and
oftentimes they're being bulliedat school, but then they go home
and they're being targeted by that bully.

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And then now also there's all these others that are getting
involved in targeting. So the most important piece is
thinking about, you know, is trying to understand information
technology and what it feels So for for your your viewers, your
listeners, my recommendation is that if somebody tells you

(40:38):
they're being trolled, they're being cyberstalked.
I mean, it's understand for themit is sheer terror, not all the
time, but when it occurs 2-3, you know, four times.
So again, in order to be an eye predator, as I said, it has to
be information technology to harm a self-awareness of causing

(41:01):
harm using technology and then using online dissection.
But from that, it's doing it repeatedly.
So if I troll you one time on your podcast and I go into your
your chats when you're interviewing and I say to you,
you know, you're an idiots. Do not you know your podcast
suck. I do it one time, you get pissed

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off, life goes on. But if I keep doing it and doing
it and doing, then I start also going to your social media
accounts. Then what I do is I take my time
and I look who are your biggest followers and your biggest
advocates. Now I start to follow them on
extra Facebook and I go after them and slowly but surely I

(41:42):
work my way in. And that which is the severe
form of the Internet pro called the Predatory troll.
We could do a whole show on predatory trolls because they
are an incredible bunch of psycho.
I mean psychopaths. But again, that dark tetrad,
sadistic, Machiavellian, narcissistic, I mean, these

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people, they really, I mean, think about it my friend, They
enjoy causing you harm. That's incredible.
Cyber stalking has been like growing an issue on the rise of
this fucking technology. How do you think the legal
systems need to evolve to effectively effectively like

(42:27):
fucking address or maybe preventthese crimes given the
challenges of tracking these fuckers?
It's just starting. For many years, it would fall
under aggravated assault. You know, if there's a
restraining orders, order protection, you know, I always
say if that ever occurs, you have to include in the order
protection, the restraining order, you know, no electronic

(42:51):
communications. OK.
But still, as a society, we don't treat the I credit of the
cyber stalking, the cyber harassment, the Internet
trolling. We don't treat it as serious as
it would be if it was offline. Exactly.
But with cyber stalking is anything that occurs with
children and obviously with adults, it occurs repeatedly.

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But cyberstalking is when the victim, the target begins to
fear their own physical safety or their livelihood.
I'm just a straight trawl and I'm calling you every name in
the book and it's pissing you off.
That's not cyber stalking. Cyberstalking is.
And when I look at you and when you finish your podcast today,

(43:35):
you go outside, you go to your local deli, you better check
your back tire and see if there's any 920 nails sticking
in those tires. Maybe you should check your
brake lines too. Cyberstalking implies it's
either direct or indirect. You know, assaults of physical
safety or your livelihood. That's what makes cyber stalking

(43:56):
so dangerous. Since back in the days talking
was all more physical, but now everything's online, how do you
believe society can draw a line that's way clearer between free
speech and harmful behavior likestalking?
Is again, free speech. I am a huge proponent of free

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speech, you know, First Amendment, God Bless America,
you know, but if the target or the victim, however you want to
define yourself, begins to experience fear, OK, there are
afraid for their health, their safety, their job, their
livelihood. That's when it begins to move
away from, you know, we have hate speech, but to me, that's

(44:39):
when it moves into illegal online activities, is when a
person begins to fear that they're going to be hurt.
But there there are some people that are gonna play with that,
that that's what sucks about that.
It's like there's some like a LGBTQ people that let's say you
don't guess ahead of time that that that girl wants to be

(45:02):
called a he because you didn't guess it.
And then she's all like that. You destroyed her.
You're like, God damn. So the the line is so.
Which is good, right? So, so in that example, they're
offended, you know, But when it comes to cyber stalking, it's
much more than being offended. It's I'm afraid I'm gonna get

(45:23):
hurt, you know, I'm afraid that they're gonna go after my son or
they're gonna go after my wife. Cyber stalking includes threats
to my safety, being offended that that's part of that's.
True. Yeah, that's life.
Fortunately, that is life, yes. What role do you think anonymous

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play at like anonymity in onlineplay for an ebeling the cyber
stalkers and how can we balance privacy with the safety and in
this increasingly connected world?
Well as you remember what we talked about in the beginning,
there are three of the ipredatorCyber stealth.
Stealth is online deception and within that I can either

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completely believe in any hide my identity.
You know who the fuck I am. Let's say you're my ex-wife.
You know who I am online and I am sitting here telling you,
your friends, your followers, and I am threatening that
something bad is going to happenif you don't.
You know, if you can, if you keep going to court and asking

(46:29):
the judge for more money, well, you better be careful.
So that is the primary difference is when we're dealing
with with that third, that that third criteria of the online
deception. I can, you know, for instance,
the online child predator and the online child pornography
consumer and distributor, OK, almost always, not all the time,

(46:54):
but almost always they present themselves as being, you know,
let's say my target is a 15 yearold freshman.
Well, I was 16 year old sophomore, that's at the high
school. Website, yeah. 20 miles down and
I have pictures and I have this.So I present myself, you know,
cyber stuff. Yeah, where you actually think

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I'm a hot young little redhead that you're going to eventually
meet or go to the prom with. Well, that's not true.
The other outweigh that online child predators called online
grooming to where slowly but surely I let my target know.
Not that I'm a 55 year old man pedophile.
Yeah. You know, kind of cool guy.

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I'm a little bit older than you.The biggest thing is can't tell
your parents. Yeah, any adults.
And by the way, you want that new PS5?
You you want that nice silver necklace?
Boom, I send it to you. Exactly.
Where the online where the grooming occurs but when it's
done online I can use cyber stealth and online deception

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like no tomorrow. Absolutely shout out to Justin
Payne, Justin Pain. There have been years.
I think I've been following him for 10 fucking years and that's
what he does. He he fakes that he's the child
to catch these fuckers and put him on video and he at the
beginning like they didn't arrest the dude because they
didn't have enough. So now what he does is really

(48:23):
extracts enough information thatwhen he calls the cops for that
meeting, well, the guys fucked and they're going to jail now.
So thank God we have like that people like that fucking taking
these other guys out because we can't have a million cops just
faking online constantly becausewe need them in the street.
So it's like, so thank God we have these people that don't

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take that shit lightly. Are there a particular warning
signs of online deception that people should look out for in
their personal and professional lives?
It's hard because remember now, just like offline, just like
people when it comes to the criminal mind, I also now call

(49:07):
it the cyber criminal mind is that they are anywhere from on a
continuum of dexterity and skill, anywhere from sheer
novices and idiots to that the Hannibal Lecter, which I call,
which is anybody can read my my online psychopathy checklist
because where we used to have offline psychopaths, those

(49:31):
offline psychopath, they upgraded.
Yep, upgrade. Oh, that was excellent.
So you check out my online psychopathy checklist.
But that is where I introduced the idea of what I call the the
doctus I preta path. And that is I don't know if if
do you remember Silence of the Lambs?

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OK, Hannibal Lecter, who was, you know, he was the serial
killer. That was incredibly brilliant.
A doctor Doctors I Preta path isa technologically savvy, super
intelligent psychopath that goesonline to target, to exploit,
and to do his and or her biddingonline.

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They exist and they're real. And if they are really good, you
can't, you can't catch them. And.
Know that there are psychopath. A lot of them that use dating
sites as well now because there's so many lonely people in
the world especially. And so a lot of these fake scams

(50:35):
that these fake females, they appear in your life, you trust
their sometimes for months and you even video chat with the
girl. It all looks real until you
trust her enough for an investment and then you get your
money back and you're like wow, what the fuck?
I just gave her 500. She gave me 570 back then you
put that 5000, but she knows that you have 23,000 in the

(50:58):
bank. So she's gonna keep doing that
until that last shot of 20 fees that you think are get out with
29 know that was the last one and she gone and that person
disappears forever. So they they, they literally aim
for people that are are normallyweak or or not us not Internet

(51:19):
savvy. Like at my my neighbor keeps
getting calls and emails from the bank here and she she called
the bank straight up like why the fuck did you guys call me?
They had the information of how much money she had in the bank
account. And once you called the bank,
the bank said we never called. And you were quite smart for

(51:39):
your age to figure out that thatwas a scam.
Like she hung up. So like, I ain't gonna grab
that. She ain't because I tell her
somebody stars. I think I got to her.
So she hanged up on him. And she was like, a lot of
people have been calling lately because of that, because they
figure a way to know your fucking bank account people, and
then use it as a fake of your bank calling.

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And then you're going to give him information because you're
like, he knows the number in my bank.
So obviously it's a guy from thebank know it's not people.
So that's the that's so dangerous, not knowing who the
fuck you're facing in in the relationship or anything online
because it's an and Mandy, it's so dangerous.
Who are the online psychopath and how do they differ from the

(52:24):
traditional predictor in their approach?
Well, I might say if that's one of the things I want to bring
out because it falls into what you were bringing, is that we
talked a little bit about older,older offline.
Distress dictates online response.
OK, So if if offline, I have lowself esteem, I'm unhappy.
I have a proclivity towards depression.

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I'm just not happy with life. Well, what you have, which is a
sub concept of I predator and you don't have to be Doctor
Hannibal Lecter, super psychopath.
You could just be somebody that has some scruple.
I call it the IVIG, the I predator victim intuition.
Cyber criminals, Internet trolls, cyberstalkers, online

(53:08):
child predators. They can go online, whether it
be Reddit, Facebook, they can goto social media.
I predator victim intuition. Obviously they learn an
aptitude. They become skilled to know who
is the best victim, who is the best target.
And once they're you know, if they're good at it, they can

(53:30):
pick out a victim, you know, a model.
That is where the I predator, the online psychopath.
Many cyber criminals, if they'reskilled that IVIG, they are
expert at knowing who to target.Yeah, it's like all those, uh,
scam from the calls that you getfrom a light, not your bank, but

(53:53):
other stuff there. Normally they all come from
another country and they call inthe States or, or North America.
And most of the people that theycall are over 50 years old.
They, they're aiming for the people that are probably going
to fail for it. Or let's say, uh, you have
somebody in your family that hasa like a dementia or something.

(54:15):
Oh, don't worry, they know and they're going to call.
It's like they know that kind ofstuff that that's why they're
aiming you. That they didn't shows you how
to random ball. This is the number we're
calling. No, if you're on that list, it's
because they they saw something new that they can aim at you.
A lot of people don't know that.Times I predators, they will

(54:36):
spend again. They're sitting behind.
Yeah, they got nothing to do. They have nothing to do, so they
will take their time and they will study and they will go to
your school. Yeah, say you're a potential
mark. OK, so now I'll go to Facebook.
I'll go check out your Instagram, your ex account.
You're over there on Reddit, youknow, maybe you're posting
recipes or something on Pinterest.

(54:59):
And then I take my time and I slowly but surely begin to
evaluate and to assess and to profile you to see if you're a
good mark. And this is what this is what
the skilled I predators do. And if I can pick up and and and
observing you and and that you're depressed and you have a

(55:20):
low and you're discouraged and you have a low self esteem,
you're perfect. Do you think that digital age
has fundamentally like changed human behavior, and if so, how?
Offline, we have our five sensesto hear, smell, see, touch.
OK, well, obviously online all of that is changed.

(55:44):
Online, tactile sensation, nonverbal communication is all
skewed. Now obviously right now I can
look at you and I can make basicassumptions, but that's about
it. I can only see what you're
putting forward, me, the really advanced tech savvy I Predators,

(56:05):
they can put up an image, they can create a profile.
It's not even that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's how
good they are. And as I said at the beginning,
now that we're moving into virtual reality and artificial
intelligence, it is amazing whatnow artificial intelligence can
create and put forward to where you think you're talking to a

(56:29):
real person. Now, that's just 100 million
digital connections and a creation of have a have you ever
you wanna call it That's Yeah. And it's only gonna become more
frequent. And, and now we have AI that
can, let's say he, he, they listen enough audio of you or
enough video of you. They could create a video of

(56:50):
audio and video of you. And it's AI you're like, what
the fuck? It's fucking crazy and very
impressive. Like I, I have a program for
editing, for example, and it hasan AI in it and it, it tells me
that it can't transfer my, my own language in another language
and like French and literally have the same accent, have the

(57:13):
same. I'm like what?
And literally made my, my mouth move perfect in that language.
I was like, Oh my God. And visually and man, if you're
not checking perfectly, it looksflawless.
So I can't even imagine the programs that these fuckers can
get like because if you pay a program, you get way more access
to a lot of stuff. So it's scary.

(57:34):
You remember when they were, they try to stop Trump to get
elected the first time and they,they show, they only showed us
this, uh, hearing of audio OHS sometimes when you're this rich
or you could just put your hand on their pussy and that is a
fact. There's no lying that every
billionaire can tell you that there.
But no, I don't know where they're trying to crucify him.

(57:54):
So they could now today they could do a no deal recording of
anybody saying fucking anything.It's incredible.
And it's only going to continue so.
Exactly. As we approach the end, and I
say this every time I get the app and by the way, thank you
for having me on it allows me the time to to educate folks,

(58:16):
but to remember this and I always say it three times.
Obviously, we can't completely, you know, avoid being targeted.
Alright, I've been targeted a bunch.
I think a lot of the reason why it's targeted because I created
this concept, but it's very important for your view as
you're listening to your follow,I'll say three times.
Personal information, personal information, personal

(58:38):
information. The less personal information
you put out there, the lower risk you're at.
Now obviously, such as yourself or public figures, celebrities,
politicians, OK, they have to put out some personal
information, but even with them they can truncate how much?

(59:00):
For instance, not to toot my ownhorn, but you go to any of my 12
social media accounts, you will find very little personal
information about me. You'll find a shit load of my
PSA, my domain, educational awareness images that I've been
doing for the last decade. What you won't find is that I'm

(59:23):
going on vacation to go down theJersey Shore two months from
now. So now everybody knows that I'm
not in my house. I also don't share how I really
feel. I share nothing personal about
myself online. So that is the number one thing
that everybody can do. Go to all of your social media,

(59:46):
all your profile and make sure the shit that you have public.
The an eye predator can't take that and use that to his or her
advantage. How do you approach the subject
of online addiction with your clients and what strategies have
proven to be effective? Well, I, I, when you say

(01:00:07):
clients, I don't have patients clients, not that I've done
teletherapy, but volunteer work.I've helped people that are
Internet addicted. Essentially you want to just be
able to say just turn it off andgo for a walk, but it doesn't
work that way. Internet addiction is just like
any other addiction. It's not a chemical addiction

(01:00:29):
like alcohol or drugs. It's a behavioral addiction,
like pornography addiction or gambling behavioral addiction,
but they're compulsive dependency.
So it's it's talking to a personand trying to encourage them to
put boundaries. So instead of spending 15 hours

(01:00:50):
straight online gaming, how about if we start off if you can
go 8 hours? Yeah, cut it in half at least,
bro. It's getting the individual to
see what are the negative consequences of their online
usage, and that will usually help from the sea.
The consequences, the shit that's the problems that it's

(01:01:12):
causing them has led them to realize that their Internet
addicted again. I've helped several 100 folks
over the last, you know, 10-15 years and I, I've helped a
couple of people who actually lost their job because they
spent so much time both In both cases it was online gaming that

(01:01:32):
they didn't go to work and they ended up getting terminated.
I had a guy at porn addiction, he was a CEO of a company and
the man with the 2-3 other guys and 2-3 other guys because he
couldn't even come in anymore who was just on porn all the
time and alcohol. So they managed to get him out
of there and get him in a program to get fixed because
like this is how he he's like, Iknew I had to go to work, but

(01:01:56):
he's like, it's such an addiction to the highest degree.
And there was studies that I sawthat compared the Internet
addiction to cocaine and cocaine.
I was addicted to cocaine for two years and it was
unimaginable. So this is as serious as as it
is. A lot of people don't understand
how how serious this addiction is and social media is one of

(01:02:19):
the biggest drivers of this on on online addiction.
What do you think makes these platforms so addictive in your
in your opinion? I, I wish I could say I knew, I
only am suspect is that we are our social creatures.
I did my doctoral degree at Adler University.

(01:02:39):
Alfred Adler younger than Sigmund Freud.
But what Alfred Adler said, which we all know is that we are
social creatures. We are animals, we are social
pack animals. And what Adler said is we come
into this world and we go out ofthis world looking to be part
of, to be accepted, to be validated.
That is how important it is to be recognized.

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And what he said is that when people engage in illegal
activities for power and control, for whatever, it's all
about being accepted to be recognized.
So what he said is even when yougo down the useless side of
life, crying deep and so forth and so on, that is all part of
being recognized. So when we go online, think

(01:03:26):
about the word social media, social, OK, it's this idea that
in the old days it was getting connected.
If anything it is the complete opposite.
The more time you spend online, yes, you can have a shit load of
friends and online associates, but in reality what you're doing

(01:03:49):
is, is you're disconnecting yourself from reality because
cyberspace, social media, online, all of it is a fantasy.
It is what we create. OK, I will get you and I make
you know assumptions based on what you're wearing.
The best is yet to come. That cool little thing next to

(01:04:10):
the lion. OK, those little things are in
my mind. I make assumptions.
What's behind you, the tart, so forth and so on.
I get off done with you. I go on with my life.
You interview another person, you interview another person.
Our mind, our brain neuronal ally.
You know, from a neuroscientificstandpoint, somehow it's all

(01:04:34):
connecting differently than if it were to occur offline.
I can't explain it yet, but I have a feeling somehow as the
Internet grows, as I said, a cyberspace is an extension of
human consciousness. I feel the digital universe is
essentially becoming a Xerox copy of the brain.

(01:04:58):
I know that sounds utterly ridiculous, but when you think
about it, who creates information technology?
A shit load of brains. OK, yeah, me, there's something
going on. Because the one thing I can tell
you, people respond differently when they're targeted online
than when they're targeted offline.

(01:05:20):
Absolutely. And what I seen, I seen the
study that talks about Call of Duty, the, the video game of
shooting and the reason why theystarted to put achievements on
everything. You, you jump 50 times banging
achievement. You, you bend down 50 times,
another achievement. It's like you shoot somebody and
right when you kill them, it says 100 points right on top of

(01:05:43):
it. And they realize that why did
they should put that achievements everywhere?
It's because the high of achieving something well, the
the the person gets it. So the social medias, then when
you analyze that, well, you got notification of a different
sound on all of them. And so that creates like the
high of should I pick it up? Should I pick it up?

(01:06:05):
It's the same as these video games trying to trying to keep
you there I find. And it's, it's just like
gambling, you know? Yeah, I've banned it.
You know, you keep putting your money in, you're not gonna win
every time. But if you win one out of 60
times and you win 50 bucks, Boo.There's the dopamine, serotonin
re uptake. And then that's what pushes that

(01:06:26):
is the addiction, the behaviors.I think it's called variable.
I may be running the variable positive reinforcement, but it's
intermittently being recognized,validated women.
And that is what pushes the person to keep going.
Absolutely. What's the most counterintuitive
psychologic insight that you've learned about how people justify

(01:06:47):
their unhealthy online behaviors?
I think is what I've learned is,is that people seem to, you
know, portray being online as innocent.
It is something to pass the day.It's something to scroll.
They don't see the impact. Again, we talked a little bit
earlier that, you know, childrenand cyber bullying.

(01:07:08):
When the cyber bully, the assailant is caught, is
confronted. I, I was just kidding.
I wasn't being serious. We as as as a species, I mean,
not all of us. I mean, I certainly understand
we don't understand the impact that what we do, what we say,

(01:07:28):
how we portray ourselves online,we don't really understand the
effect it can have on other people.
Even people that are thick skinned can be traumatized if if
targeted you know right say correctly but if done in a
manner anybody can be triggered.What is the concept IVI and how

(01:07:52):
does it apply to addiction and manipulation online?
OK, again I IVI is I predator victim intuition.
OK. That is, is that is a skill and
it's learned is with time. And if I have a little bit of
intellect or I'm good at understanding human behavior, I

(01:08:14):
know by looking at your Facebookby what you're posting, you
know, you've been posting it thinking about your breakup and
your ex-girlfriend. OK.
I also noticed over on Instagramyou're talking about that I
predicted victim intuition is myability to know and to learn
that you are a good mark. You are a great victim, a great

(01:08:37):
target for me to now come in anddo my, you know.
So, so literally they, they create a profile like they're
like, OK, well, this guy has been a breakup.
So we should probably like if wedo something with him, we should
go on the, on the side of he's lonely.
Maybe go with the a cyber crime of dating or anything like that.

(01:08:59):
Like you see where the the the little hole in the boat is to
like fucking get get in that person and make that person
trust you or harm that person. Authority of I predators now
mind you obviously cyber stalking, cyber crime, as you
said earlier, trillion dollar you know online child

(01:09:19):
pornography, online child protection those are obviously
illegal activities, but the vastmajority of our predators and
what they do is legal OK. Yeah, that's.
It is the psychological. It's, well, that's cyber
psychology. It's attacking people.
It's character assassination, it's disinformation.

(01:09:40):
It's social engineering. It's doing whatever you can to
psychologically rape your target.
Uh, what advice would you give someone struggling to rebuild
their mental health after onlineissues like bullying or being
stocked? Obviously to let easier said
than done. Is, yeah.
Reduce the amount of time that you're online.

(01:10:02):
But one of the things I tell everybody, and it applies to
whether you're being targeted ornot, is to post educational
information. Exactly.
Whether you like to cook, whether you like to travel, it
is taking your time instead of sitting here and reading all the
nonsense on Facebook and X and stuff.

(01:10:23):
You can still do that. But now how about start to post
or to write about things that you're passionate about?
And it's educating others because there are plenty of
people out out in cyberspace that want to learn.
And that is very therapeutic. OK #2 it's understanding that

(01:10:43):
the vast majority of the shit you see and you read online is
not real. Exactly.
It's all part of a fantasy. Yeah.
And it's understanding that and you, you can turn off your
device, you can walk away, you can go hang out with others, go
down to the bar, play a little pool, throw some darts.

(01:11:04):
And that is far more qualitatively relevant to who
you are as a person as opposed to being online 24/7, you know,
doing online gaming. I got two more What do you think
a society can do as a whole to create a safer and healthier
digital environment? So I, I presented this a long

(01:11:25):
time ago and with Donald Trump and Melania Trump, I don't know
for, for those of you and again,not to get political, but in
their first term and she's doingit again.
It's called the B best campaign and we best is, is focusing on
obviously the opioid epidemic, but most importantly is online

(01:11:47):
abuse. So when I put out my images now,
OK, now that I know that they'regoing to be in the house, I tag
every cyber bullying, every cyber stalking image.
I now hashtag it with be best. That's.
It have a blog post thanking Melania Trump back from 2016,
thanking her for being best. That is what we need to do is we

(01:12:11):
need to understand we are a society, a culture now globally
that is enveloped by informationtechnology and that's only going
to continue. We need to do something about
it. I also believe that it should be
compulsory education K through 12, just like when I was a kid,

(01:12:33):
I had to take health class, I took woodshop, I took metal
class. What I believe is that children
should be introduced to digital citizenship, how to behave
online, cyber bullying prevention.
It should be part of the core curriculum just like health
class and metal shop children starting as early as possible.

(01:12:57):
Maybe middle school, but I wouldalso say elementary because
children now as young as three and four are being handed mobile
devices. Fucking crazy.
It's insane. All the way through high school
there is a class, it's compulsory, where they learn
these basic components and understand what it means to live

(01:13:19):
in the information age. Another idea that I wrote years
ago, I called it the IP 3141 andat the time I think there's more
now. It sounds like a plane.
There, there are 3141 counties in the continental United
States, OK. I feel through federal, private

(01:13:40):
and state funding, every county has a centre where anybody such
as you or me could go to if we're being targeted.
Also to go to report if we suspect terrorism, potentially
cyber terrorism, online child predation, online pornography,
to where there's an actual centre where most importantly,

(01:14:03):
they fucking believe us. Yeah, yeah, go there.
Obviously there's those of us. I work with them, God bless
them. There are people that identify
themselves as being targeted individuals.
There are people that are paranoid.
There are people that suffer from serious psychiatric illness
and they believe that they are being targeted when they're not.

(01:14:25):
But the vast majority of online victimization are regular folks
just like you and I. And how nice it would be is if I
could go within my county, go toa centre, sit down and talk to
somebody and they believe me. The biggest thing that I've

(01:14:46):
heard, and again, I'm not Tooting my own horn.
Thank you, Doctor Nuccitelli, you understand.
And all I'm doing is, is I'm listening.
But what I'm not doing is I'm not minimizing their experience
because it's scary as shit to beGod.
Damn right. And I think those two ideas are
fucking genius because one thinglike why not?

(01:15:09):
When I was in high school it wasseparated in two.
I were 2200 was like 1100 on oneside, the French right and I was
on the other side like 950 like and our side got laptops right
away. So at 14 years old, all the the
English side had laptops. But we never got told nothing
about about protecting yourself.Nothing, nothing, nothing.

(01:15:33):
We didn't get a computer class. I don't know.
It was just that we're in a world of technology.
There you go. It's so even us right then and
there that weren't a world of it.
Like we didn't get explain shit,just got given the laptop.
Right, anybody can go to the website.
Everything, by the way, everything at my website is
free. It's public domain.
You don't even have something toe-mail Addy in order to download

(01:15:54):
my shit. But what I what I post is 42
examples of cyber bullying tactics.
It's kind of like and one of them is called V LE bully, cyber
bully, virtual learning environment cyber bullying.
That is where kids, students within the virtual learning
environment, why we're being taught, have their health or

(01:16:16):
whatever. You bully, you cyber bully other
kids through the virtual learning environment.
That's just one of 42. So there is a plethora of ways
that not just children but adults can target one another.
So as the last question, as a mental health professional, what

(01:16:36):
are the positive aspects of digital world that you encourage
your clients to embrace? Well, it is a great way to
express creativity. It can act as anti anxiolytic
for some of my patients. And mind you, it's a phrenic
schizoaffective. Some have dementia, some are pre
Alzheimer's. I mean, the chronically mentally

(01:16:58):
ill I work with not all, but I would say 60 to 70% of them.
I, I, I asked him, what do you want to listen to today?
You know? Oh, I'd love to hear Pink
Floyd's time. OK, I turn my, my computer
around because I have a nice biglaptop.
Turn it up, turn the volume up and they get to listen to Pink

(01:17:18):
Floyd for 7-8 minutes. That is soothing.
There are many benefits to information.
In fact, the, the, the benefits,you know, outweigh the
detriments. I mean, when we talk about
technology, the movement into nanotechnology, artificial
intelligence, virtual reality, atime, what's already happening

(01:17:40):
to now where surgeries can occur, where this surgeon are
hundreds of thousand, I mean, thousands of miles the way.
Yeah, that's incredible. Incredible.
The stuff that you on Musk is doing with Starling to where
people in rural areas eventuallywill be able to connect.
It's incredible. Benefits of information

(01:18:01):
technology are incredible. The downside of information
technology is I predator in Part2 of that is we're doing nothing
about it. And that's where I'm here with
my predator. I'm saying we gotta do
something. We can't sit here and allow this
to continue because eventually not just people will be hurt,

(01:18:23):
but a community. And when we move into the the
idea of cyber terrorism, which is the use of information
technology to cause, you know, non military combat, you know,
civilians to be hurt and to be killed, to be murdered using
information technology, that is cyber terrorism.

(01:18:44):
Absolutely and Matt, what you said about what the Eli Musk
doing, it's incredible because you know when they they
destroyed all the communication and Ukraine US wasn't doing
shit. He said satellites over them so
they get phone and TV. It's like it's like we need
people like this and life because everybody deserves to to

(01:19:05):
have communication, deserves to have information is just how you
take it. And always be careful in online
addiction people. And I want to thank you,
Michael. It's been a blast and that
you're such an amazing guy trying to help people online
with this this subject that a lot of people that we're all in,

(01:19:25):
but a lot of people are are Ned legend or don't know really the
the subject. So thanks again for coming on.
It was a blast. Thank you for having mine and
based on the response, we could do another show down the road.
In fact, again, not everything at my website is free.
It's public domain. For those of you that think that
maybe your Internet addiction, Ihave my Internet addiction risk

(01:19:47):
checklist. OHP, there we go.
Time but that is where you can assess whether or not you're
truly Internet addicted and lastly, I would say of all the
PGES at Ipredator the cyber bullying, which is the cyber
bullying the 42 examples but theother one obviously because
people love the dark side of consciousness and cyberspace is

(01:20:11):
online psychopathy and that I mean that really when I think
about what. I mean, how psychopaths have
been offline, what they're doingnow and their capacity of what
they can do online is absolutelyincredible.
Perfect. So I'm going to put all your
socials on the sides and at the bottom.
So go go check them out and go check this stuff people, you

(01:20:34):
need to get informed and this kind of shit.
So thanks to everybody for watching and let's have a good
weekend.

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