The Beautiful & Unapologetic Dr Kelly Barron: Helping Women Reignite their Fire During Midlife EP74

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Looking inside yourself and saying, um, yeah, I'm wrong.
You know, when you're like constantly I was right, I can
validate everything I've done. I feel like I'm justified, I'm
this and that. And then you have to really take
a moment, suck up your pride, open your eyes to what's really

(00:20):
going on and saying, yeah, I fucked this.
Up. Yeah, I was wrong with that one.
I'm wrong. There's 38.
I got into the, you know, I wentto weigh ins and we faced off
and I'm like, she's like 21. Oh my.
You know, maybe like this. This is just a little girl and
then I'm like, but I got this, you know, and I'm like, let me

(00:42):
stare down and I was like, I'm gonna break her will like I did.
And then then the next night, you know, you get you in the
cage, this big production to walk out songs.
They shut the cage. I looked across at her and I'm
like, I think she's foaming at the mouth and I was like, I
think I need to go. I was a chiropractor and being
an alternative healthcare, you know, everybody's I'm like, I'm

(01:04):
pregnant and this is not. I was like, you know what, I'm
going to have this baby at home because I'm going to prove I can
do this. So.
God damn. Yeah, I felt very strongly that
it was the right thing. Like I got this, I don't need
nobody. It's like a spotlight.
It's like you're sitting in an interrogation room and all of a
sudden this, there's this spotlight on your life go oh

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shit, these things have been here, but like you said, they're
just buried for everyone being behind just surviving life,
providing, nurturing. That's what I see most people
that are 40, but like you said, technology is advancing and most
people now survive for at least 80 so you're only halfway.

(01:49):
So it's like you're going to start whining now.
Bro you still have the other wayto go.
You gotta you gotta find that spark in your life no matter
what age you have. But a lot of people like except
the life they're given instead of fighting for their life they
want. OHS, I love that.
Write that down. The phrase I've been saying

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since I'm 16. Yes, that, that that's a mantra
right there. Love the Lord, you know, track
suit on and our orthopedic sneakers.
And you know, that's about that's our wardrobe now.
And we need to we need to go andbake and take care of the
grandkids. And why bother with makeup?

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You know, and no one, you know, no male will ever think you're
hot again. So don't you know, don't worry
about that. You know, the women that are
like, oh, well, you know, wow, this is gonna get me in trouble.
But I'm married now, I have the kids, I've been doing this for
10 years, you know, I just don'tfeel like working.
It doesn't matter what I look like anymore.

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I've already I got the life and I can let it all go matter.
That pisses me off more than anything in the world because,
you know, you have some pride inyourself.
Make your partner's gonna not gonna be attracted to you
anymore and you're gonna be bitching.
He doesn't, you know, want to have passionate sex or

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affection. But do you let yourself go?
Yeah, exactly. Like I said, in in different
countries, especially, like in Asia, their thought process is
like, women are so valuable as they age because they have all
this knowledge. Like we've made all the
mistakes. We can teach you how not to make
the mistakes. We can pass on just wealth of

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experiences and and that you know, that's what I believe.
I believe no, we didn't die out.We like have very important job
to do. I just also believe we should
look really hot while we're importing this for as long as we
can. Absolutely.

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He's a world record powerlifter,people certified bad ass in the
MMA cage, a survivor of an assault and a healer in this
chaos. Doctor Kelly Hellfire Baron
isn't your average Wellness expert.
She rewrote the whole story of what it means to be a woman in
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specialist, a licensed acupuncturist, never said that
word before, Chiropractor and fitness beasts, a founder of.
The Italian word for storm. The movement helping a woman
reclaim their wild, fierce energy during during midlife.
From competing on the American Ninja Warrior to hosting her own

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show, the Cal Fire Show, she becomes a voice to empower women
to stop shrinking and start burning bright again.
Her message? You are not broken, you are
becoming people. And today we're bringing that
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So please welcome Doctor Kelly Fire herself.
Kelly Baron, how you doing? Thank you so much for having me

(07:00):
on today. I'm super excited about this
one. This is this is going to be
cool. I really appreciate you coming
on when I saw your incredible journey.
A lot of people there and you see them at at 40 or 50 and when
they talk about how they feel inside, they're like, wow, this
is 40, this is 50. And it's like, that's not the,

(07:23):
the, the way life should be there because let's say you
would keep your, your, yourself like in shape and everything.
You don't feel like they say in the movies.
All this is 40 people because you kept in shape.
But a lot of people like are so it in the conventional ideas of
how should people be? A woman should be this, a man
should be that. Let's start by taking us back to

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the beginning, when your life really changed forever.
Can you walk us through that daythat you were assaulted?
Can you walk us through it? Absolutely.
I was in my very early 20s and it was my very first night
working at a new job. It was a, a nightclub and I was

(08:06):
always more of an introvert kindof person and walked out at 2:30
in the morning with the staff and forgot my jacket.
Everybody, you know, I didn't even think we're in the parking
lot. I ran back in to get it.
When I came out, everybody had left.
A majority of the people had left.
No one was in the parking lot atthe time.
And I went to get in my car. I, I just didn't think I had

(08:29):
very naive version of the world,like there's no harm that can
come to anybody. And I went to get in my car and
there was a gentleman, and I saythat loosely, who was at a
different car, hidden. And when I went to get in the
car, he jumped out and chased methrough the parking lot, got me

(08:51):
down on the ground and started beating my face into the
pavement and choking me. And luckily, before it could get
into any kind of sexual assault or any kind of permanent damage
or or even death, there was one manager who had still stayed in
the club and he had come out andhe was able to pull the guy off

(09:13):
and then call the cops. So that, yeah, it got a little
interesting too, because this was a very well known man in
that area who had built a lot ofthings.
So the cops response, and that'stime again, young and naive.
The cops response was are you OK?

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And I was interested shock. And I was like, yes, there was
blood. And I'm breathing so.
Then they just told the the manager who everybody knew
everybody there, they just said,why don't you go take her for a
drink? They didn't, they didn't offer,
you know, we need to be in hospital.
We need to do this. And I just got in my car and I
was like, no, I mean, I need to get, I need to get back.

(09:55):
I need to get to family. And when I had initially saw the
gentleman who happened to then, you know, they figured out he
had been kicked out of the club earlier.
He was on all sorts of drugs when he jumped out from behind
the car. My key was already in the lock
and Luis is old school. We're talking 90s.
So there's no push button here and it must have bent a little

(10:18):
bit. So and this is what they told
me. So when I left the cops and got
in my car and started the drive home and it's down a dark
highways, no lights, that littlebend what it did something to
the starter. So my car broke down.
So now. Your way home from that.
Night. Oh my God, I don't even know.

(10:39):
What, you just want to be safe and just get me old people?
Just I just wanted to get home. There was no cell phone, so I
couldn't call my boyfriend at the time.
There was nothing. So I had to run through this
like little woods buffer on the highway and start knocking on
doors at 3 at this point, three,3:30 in the morning.
And of course, no one's going toanswer their door.

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And at one point, this elderly couple answered their door and
they didn't even want to talk tome.
They just threw the landline phone out the door and shut.
It. And they said what number and
they dialed and it took a littlewhile to get anyone to answer
and then finally family answeredand they came and picked me up.
So probably one of the most It'svery traumatic.

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People have gone through much worse.
You know, people have lost lives.
People have been sexually abusedbut or assaulted.
But this was pretty damn. It was one shitty day moment
after the other. And, and it could have went so
worse in a fraction of a second.That guy didn't come out there
and you never know. My goodness.

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So what do you think the motivation of that fucker was at
that initial moment? Was was it a combination of like
the drugs he was at and like a like it's 3 something after a
bar and he's just horny and shityou think?
I don't think it had any. I don't think it had any sexual
by by beating me in the middle of a parking lot.

(12:05):
I don't think he had any That wasn't in his brain.
He was very like I said, he was very well known.
The cops buried the story. They they buried.
I called the next day to find out, OK, were the charges
submitted? And they go, what?
We don't we don't have that report.
And I was like, I don't understand.
And let's just say that this gentleman built multiple strip

(12:27):
clubs and restaurants in a. Very, Yeah.
And resort area, yeah. Yeah.
And then he disappeared. So he disappeared for a while.
Nobody could find him or anything like that.
I think his he was, they said hewas known to be on meth quite a
bit. He was in the nightclub that
night and it was the biggest nightclub in in that area and he

(12:49):
was thrown out. So I think he was just out of
his mind and pissed off with rage and I just happened to be.
Wrong place, wrong time for him.Yeah.
Well, at that moment, like, and you realizing how dark life is
there because we never expect those moments.
I remember when I was a kid, I was like 15 years old and my,

(13:10):
my, my cousin disappeared at thepark that we were at and we
never found her. Here we are 20 years later still
talking about it and, and we still don't have no, no, no
leads of nothing. And my mom back then the my mom
let me go anywhere I want when Iwant, as long as I was in school
and I went to to bed at normal time, like take care.

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And after that moment, wow, likeshe put a cord on us, like we
could have just go anywhere withher.
She was realizing that even somebody close like that, our
cousin like like literally disappear, vanished.
And my mom was realizing, damn, life is probably not as a
rainbows as we think. There are no, because there's
some dark corners in this like there.

(13:51):
Wow, it's incredible. Thank God, Thank God that guy
was there. Did you retake it to that guy
that that came out and and stopped?
Yeah, he said. Kelly, you have to understand
how high up he is, how no one wants to, the cops don't want to
get involved. Everybody, everybody.
This is not like you said, this world is not rainbows and

(14:13):
unicorns. You don't realize how dark or
even we'll even go as far as to say how Gray's life.
Is exactly. And he said, I'm, I'm so sorry.
And he he did, from what we know, he did leave the area.
I will only say this six months ish later.

(14:35):
Um, he came, he entered an afterhours.
It was an after hour like an industry.
Everybody in the industry would go from 2:00 to 5:00 AM.
So it was after work for everyone.
And I was there. I was with always with several
people and I just saw this individual like that was the
first time I ever seen the man. I didn't even truly recognize

(14:57):
him. I mean truly get a good look at
him during the beating. Yeah.
But you know, I did do a little research as best as I could.
And then there's individual cameinto this bar and I was just
sitting there and I, my eyes went wide.
I didn't even know what to say. I just stared and vigilante
justice was done that day and that's all I can say.

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But it was taken care of and he disappeared again for a very
long time and I've never, I've never seen him again.
It's incredible how are cops arelike even back then, like
they're gonna protect or they don't wanna deal with a certain
subject because the the person is too high or is going to be

(15:41):
too much hassle. I had a a DEA agent on and he
survived a murder attempt by a criminal that brought him on the
auto route while he's hanging bythe window is really fucking
incredible. And, and at the end of
everything, he had to shoot the guy while the guy was driving
because the guy was gonna RIP him off with the fence that was
coming. So he was putting the car.

(16:02):
So he shot the guy, but he flew out the car.
So he had to retire by force because of the injuries and
everything. And a couple of months later he
wrote why. And when he's trying to rebuild
himself there, he learns, well, they he got probation for life
and nothing else for attempting to murder a cop there.
Because the guy was like, oh, I'm gonna sue the DA.

(16:25):
I'm gonna sue the FBI. I'm gonna sue.
So they were like, oh, no, no. So it's crazy that we all think
that all a rule is broken and everything's gonna get fixed.
Yeah, it's not like that. Even for the cops at the highest
levels. It's quite incredible.
Your story is such 1 of resilience.
We know it wasn't easy. And how did you begin to rebuild

(16:47):
your body and mind after this back?
And what role did fitness and the physical aspect and maybe
the mental aspect in your recovery and how much was that a
huge impact? MMA became a a very huge part of
it. I spent probably the next 10
years into my very early 30s. I, I just, I couldn't be.

(17:13):
I was married. I started to have children, but
I still couldn't be alone at night.
So if, if I was left, if my husband had gone away or, or, or
was out, I couldn't be. I would just not sleep.
I would sleep when the sun came up and I could go out and I

(17:33):
could go places, but I would getvery skittish if it was dark and
no one was around. So there was a there was a
definite issue. And my husband had said you
can't, you can't be a mother. You can't not protect your
children. And and he never, he wasn't
saying it bad. He was like, I have to help you
be able to protect the children and protect yourself.

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So he got AG Kundo practitioner who that's Bruce Lee, Yeah, was
very high up and he came to the house once a week and started
teaching me self defence to the point that.
I'm fucking around, baby. You don't even need to move.
He's coming here. Like and not not bullshit like

(18:17):
self defence he was we had a bite, had a shoot, had to like
take eyes out things like. That where they go.
And I started teaching women self defence with him and then
on my own because I was like this BS that they're teaching
women like no, like this is, this is real world.
You're going to have to hurt someone because you're probably

(18:38):
not going to outrun them. I know that for a.
Fact. You're gonna have to get nasty.
So I started to get comfortable,but I knew I was, I was kind of
wallowing in this victimhood. I wasn't talking about it.
I didn't consider myself a victim, but I was in that
mindset. And I was like, this is
bullshit, Kelly, you've got to get out of this.

(18:59):
And the only thing I could thinkof, and this is what kicked off
everything in my life, was you got to put yourself in a very
freaking uncomfortable situationand figure out how to get
comfortable with it. So the only thing I could think
of was, OK, well, I can't just go out in the street and have a
fight and feel good about it. I said, OK, I was in Colorado at

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the time and MMA was becoming pretty big there.
And females, you were starting to see a lot of female fighters
come out. And so I said, OK, I wanna get
in. I wanna, I wanna fight.
I want like a legal, sanctioned,consensual fight.
All that I'm working on is, is will this bury the demon and

(19:39):
that that I took that first fight I took.
I trained really hard for it. I was by no means like some, you
know, freedom at. All yeah, for sure.
Not 38. I got into the, you know, I went
to weigh ins and we faced off and I'm like, she's like 21.

(19:59):
Oh my. You know, maybe like this.
This is just a little girl. And then I'm like, but I got
this, you know, and I'm like, let me stare down.
And I was like, I'm gonna break her will like I did.
And then then the next night, you know, you get you in the
cage this big production to walkout songs.
They shut the cage. I looked across at her and I'm

(20:21):
like, I think she's foaming at the mouth.
And I was like, I think I need to go.
I just should just go to the barand.
Jump over the cage, right? Now can we just be friends?
And no. And then they, you know, they
OK, all right, go and. Protect yourself on all types.
Two or three movements, you know, nothing's really going on.

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And all of a sudden I'm, you know, I'm like a deer in
headlights kind of. And she throws a freaking
haymaker that comes down on my nose, slices me open.
And I remember the first thoughtI had was just fucking hit me.
Well, wait, you're in a fight. This is what's supposed to
happen. And so that fight went on, and
then I went on to take three more fights and.

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That wasn't enough for you? You're like, I got really get in
here again. Because I lost the first fight
by split decision and there was just so much blood on me and
that wasn't. I was like, OK, that was good.
I feel good. I.
Know. When I was like, but I need to
win. So then I, I went on and I and I

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did, I did a couple all the way up to I was 42 when I took my
last fight and enough trips to the emergency room, enough
stitches that I then just seguedinto jiu jitsu competitions.
But that moment, that first fight afterwards, after my face
healed up from from looking likeI would as a focus Mitt for her,

(21:54):
I thought nobody's ever going tofuck with you again.
And it wasn't physically becauseI know our limitations,
especially like we said, femalesversus males or even females and
weight, you know, or height. But I knew mentally the
victimhood was done. I was done.
I was never going to let that come back again.
And that then that's why I segued into jiu jitsu and then

(22:18):
powerlifting American Ninja Warrior.
I was scared to death of all of it.
The podcast, I hate public speaking.
I'm I sweat, I get nervous, but I was like, you know what?
If you keep doing this, you willbecome so comfortable each time.
Yes, it's scary, but but you're going to put that demon to rest
each time, Um, and you're going to feel alive and that's, and

(22:43):
that's how it is. So I still continually starting
in a business from scratch, things like that, things that
like you're doing, putting yourself out there, just you do
not just just fall to the victimhood, you rewire your
brain and and you rise from it. Absolutely.
And how was that experience fromthe Ninja Warrior?

(23:06):
Is it like somebody that calls you a you're recommended or you
need to be like, hey, I wanna show up and go there and show my
skills? So for that one, I was, I was
still in Denver and MMA gyms were popping up all around.
And in fact, the one that I trained at till my last fight is

(23:27):
Factory X in Mark Montoya. He's got so many fighters in the
UFC. So I was training with UFC guys
in Bellator guys and because of that casting called that gym
because they figured, OK, we're going to get.
Probably athletes here. They called and they actually
said, do you have a female that might be interested?

(23:47):
We're looking to cast a female. And so, you know, everybody's
laughing. They're asking me, you know, 40
something years old at the time.And no, no parkour, no
gymnastics, you know, no technique.
I'm just a monkey, a bull in a China shop.
And like, really, do you want todo it?
You have to audition. And I was like, Oh my God, I

(24:10):
would be so scared. And I was like, sure, I'll do
it, Let's just figure it out. So I had to do an audition.
So we set up sort of like our version of a parkour, which was
hysterical. And.
Sent that in and they then they chose me and they also liked the
angle that I was older or mom, all that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, they did a featured special on me.

(24:32):
Like hoping she is gonna freaking win this thing.
This is gold. Put pressure on you even more.
I did not win, I didn't make it far, but it was a great
experience. It was like watching TV.
There's crowds and, and, and afterwards I was like, I'm so
glad I did, even though I was really, I just, I didn't even

(24:53):
want to go at that point. I was like, I'm so scared.
This is this is scary. I just challenging yourself is
so fun and being like recommended just to be there is
an honor. It's like the Olympics.
A lot of people cry or end theirsad for years and years that
they they they didn't get a medal.
Bro, you showed up. Most people don't even get to
that showing up for their country.

(25:15):
So it's really a it's really incredible.
And before you got in that case the first time, like, yeah, did
you tell yourself, like, you needed to do that at some point
just to fight, like, like, like get it out of your system, like
what you had inside of what you lived through?
Yeah, absolutely. I I just knew, you know, I
called a demon. It's not a demon, it's just an

(25:36):
expression. But the things that that that
darkness inside of me that was controlling so much.
I, I was, had no, very little confidence and it was affecting
all areas of my life and physically I was like, oh,
you've, you've got to do this. Um, you've got to confront it

(25:57):
and you've got to prove to yourself.
And it wasn't the violence, it was more the concept and it was
the best way that I knew that I could do it.
Before that it, it started to show the the rewiring of my
brain started with because I wasin Denver, home births were were

(26:17):
very common and then they were legal and I was a chiropractor
and being an alternative healthcare.
You know, everybody's I'm like, I'm pregnant and this is not.
I was like, you know what, I'm going to have this baby at home
because I'm going to prove I cando this.
So. Got damn.
Yeah, I felt very strongly that it was the right thing.

(26:38):
Like I got this, I don't need nobody.
I was like, this is the healthiest way to birth a baby
and it's freaking scary and I was like, but you know what, I'm
going to do it. So I started having home birth.
My children were all born at home and then that's and then
fighting and sort. It was the next level of OK,
sorry, will prove I could do something.

(26:58):
And then I was like, OK, we haveto go here.
And then that just kept going all the way into, you know,
powerlifting on a national and world level.
And and you got records and you tell us about this.
Isn't that incredible? Like was that one of the plans
at a certain .0? Damn, I'm close to this.

(27:19):
I could maybe nail this record or it just like, oh wow, I gotta
fucking record. No, I am.
So once I moved from Denver to South Carolina and so I, I put
MMA in the past there, there wasn't a gym, jiu jitsu, all
those things. It wasn't really in this area at

(27:43):
the time. And I had been Olympic lifting
and, and a little bit of CrossFit.
Cross is not my style because I don't like to run.
I don't like to be out of breath.
I'm one of those people. I'll run to the fridge and
that's about it. So I started just powerlifting
on my own and a gym here and notreally with any intention of
competing. And I was, and I said I need,

(28:05):
you know, it was time. I need something else.
I need to start going after something very uncomfortable
because. You look like when you achieve
something you're like OK, next like I need, I need another.
Exactly. Like to feel alive, like I just
didn't wanna just fade off into my 40s and 50s.
I'm like, what can, what can I achieve?

(28:26):
What can I strive for? So I started powerlifting and I
thought, ooh, I'm gonna do meat,estate meat.
I'm just gonna go in and try it.I'm scared to death.
It's very it's it's scary. It like again, it's one of those
things where at least you showedup.
And so I thought, let me just show up.
And it was it was an interestingfirst meet.
It was kind of comical. And then I said, oh, I could get

(28:48):
state records. And to me I'm like, oh, shit,
state records. That's huge for sure.
Why did another meat? I got state records kept working
and I've done so many meats. It's like close to 30 now.
And I just kept going on that. And then at some point I thought
powerlifting goes by your age group, your gender, your age
group and then your weight class.

(29:09):
So I started looking at nationals and I thought, oh,
like I could do this. I'm going to have to work really
hard, but I might, I might be able to do this.
And I was able to do it. And then you start looking at
the world records and I thought,wow, I'm not far off here.
Go for that. So I got all the world records

(29:31):
in July in Vegas at the nationalcompetition.
You can get roles and nationals.And I did.
And, you know, I'm going to makeanother run again if, if my back
doesn't, you know, decide to check out in July.
But if I don't do it this year, I'll just go back.
I'll probably do it forever until I'm 80 or 90 years old.

(29:55):
Because I'm sure the categories out there, I'm sure the people
there are 90 and are women, probably don't live that much.
So if you stay a killer like youare.
I mean, there's some, I've seen some inspirational women.
There was a last nationals I wasat, she was 80 years old.
Wow. And everything is relative,
right? So she had on the barbell to
deadlift 2/10. I 2/10 younger child could,

(30:22):
could do that, right? So you're that age, you're 80
years old. And that for her at that time,
that was an insane amount of weight, you know, and she went
out there and she just freaking did it.
And she was excited. She got a record.
I mean, I want to be that. I looked at her and I was like,
I wanna be like you when I grow up.
Like this is what I want to do. I want to still be going after

(30:44):
something that I may or may not get.
I I like your determination and that that is beautiful.
Seeing that somebody that age and you're like, wow, she's
still determined to achieve and and get something out of this.
This is incredible in a world where so many people see trauma
as a bearer, you saw it as a source of fuel at the end and

(31:07):
turned this traumatic experiencethat you had into a source of
power not only for you, but for others.
How did you first begin to channel this trauma and tell
yourself, damn, I could really help other other women with
this? I always had this sort of
attitude that I, I didn't, I thought was everyone's attitude

(31:29):
that like, let's just let's go, let's live life.
It's there's parts of life they're gonna suck so bad, but
there's so much that so much potential.
And it's all up to like you to, to find the positive in that.
And I start and I had, I had patients and I was where I was
started working a lot with womenthat we were all transitioning,

(31:53):
you know, in this midlife area of our lives.
And these women were losing their identities or they had
lost it because they've just been caregivers.
They raised their children, their spouses, their jobs that,
that basically took over their lives.
And they just kind of didn't prioritize himself.

(32:14):
And you could, I don't want to say there was a dullness in
someone's eyes, but you could just see sort of a dullness.
The spark wasn't there anymore. And I couldn't understand it.
I, I, I understood the feeling, understood all these women,
their children or are leaving the home for college.
They feel like they have no purpose because I was living it,
but I didn't understand like, well, why are you, you know, why

(32:37):
are you wearing sweats and, and yoga stuff every day?
And no, not finding something tochallenge you or interest you.
You. You should be like wearing that
hot little black dress and heelsand you're in.
The if you still look great in it, God damn right.
Exactly, You don't feel like youlook great, you're looking
great. Exactly.
You've got another freaking 30 to 40 years left of your life

(32:59):
and you don't have to take care of anyone, which is the
beautiful thing. You now can just live your life.
And so at that point, I was like, I have to try to get
through to people and, and let them at least think about that,
let it trigger something in their brain that it and it and
for everyone, this is all going to look very different.
Maybe, you know, finding your inner fire is like has nothing

(33:24):
to do with clothes or how you look.
Maybe it's getting a tattoo. This is all my big life crap
right now. Maybe it's, you know, maybe it's
taking a new fitness class. Maybe it's a new circle of
friends or a new hobby. I mean, there's so many
different ways that you can classify what it means to find

(33:45):
your fire. For me, you know, the perfect
world is I would be like Stevie Nicks and I'd be going out like
this right now. I'd be on stage.
I have a horrible voice and singing and, and just living
life to the fullest. Maybe that's not someone else's
version of fire, but you know. I see you singing the song and

(34:06):
the and the the School of Rock Theatre.
Just. Like she's singing.
I love this song, really. Yes.
Stevie Nicks, Yeah. Would it be educational?

(34:30):
Would it be educational? It could be very educational.
Maybe we can make an exception? Sing song singing you.
I'm holding you to that. Make an exception now.
Watch out for chemo. Remove maybe?

(34:59):
Tomorrow. Just like the one we know.
Letting me sing like watching mymouth go but muting my mic.
Wondering though they'd give me a tambourine, but could probably
be pretty good at that. So and so you started this
temporis I got trouble. I got trouble Say that.

(35:19):
So there's two other people leader of this with you that you
created this with or you're really the founder and you added
the the other people to work with you.
No, I brought this idea of this concept that I had since I had
been working so long and so extensively with women and, and
we had been focusing on nutrition, fitness, weight

(35:43):
management. And I always bring mindset into
it because I think that's the biggest chunk of the battle.
And obviously that's something in my wheelhouse at this point.
And I brought this idea that like menopause, perimenopause,
this whole midlife transition for women was just not being
talked about enough. And what was being talked about

(36:04):
was very negative. And I thought that we need to
take this and give women a placethat they feel like they're
understood that that this transition in life was very
relatable and they could feel comfortable.
So I brought that idea with my husband part.

(36:25):
So he's one of the partners and then a group of investors that
were had companies in telehealth.
And so they understood the telehealth space, they
understood the vision and we combined forces with me being
the the face of the company and being like this spokesperson for
the. The one that that takes the hit,

(36:48):
but at the same time that is thevisual of the company.
Right. I'm driving the vision of the
future and they and they are so also committed.
And it, it's interesting. I have a team of in my creative
department, I have a team of three mid 20 year olds.
I, I think they're all 26 and 27males.

(37:11):
And I, we brought them on for specific function.
They, they needed to help us with some creatives and some,
some technical processes. These y'all young men now know
more about perimenopause and menopause than any male on the
planet. And I feel like I've gifted the
world with three men that reallyget and it is, it's pretty

(37:35):
funny. We put a meme out there one time
where where can I talk to these menopause experts?
And it's it's one of the guys. And he's like, I'm over here,
right here. You taught me well.
Looking forward, how do you see that platform like evolving from
the future? Well, I think the, the world of

(38:00):
menopause and perimenopause is, is now it's becoming a very big
thing. The voices are out there now.
There's other women who are putting podcasts out.
That's why I started the podcastwas I just wanted women to tell
their story because most women are are afraid to tell their
story and that they can relate to someone else and not feel,

(38:20):
you know, this at this age in life, women tend to feel either
embarrassed or introverted abouttheir issues or misunderstood.
So a shame even. And I wanted him to know we can
talk about these things. It's you need to get it out and
you need to start living life. So I wanted to give it a voice
to women. And there are different stories.

(38:41):
And then I decided I'd start also bringing on experts in
different fields so that we can discuss these issues very
openly. And that's, that's kind of how I
decided let's, let's bring this voice out to these women and
let's really start discussing things.
Menopause and perimenopause. It's just, we're going to, if

(39:02):
you're not, this is what we say.Menopause is one day in a
woman's life. It's the 365th day that you have
not had a period. Sorry to be so blunt.
So you're either, you're either pre or post menopause.
We love to say that around here.So postmenopausal women too.
We'll just, we'll just keep thisgoing until, you know, let's
take care of women from their late 30s all the way through.

(39:25):
Starting point, you need to hiremore people for sure, because
100, some of the women are gonnahave to go through this.
So for sure if you're only threeor five, you're gonna be an army
to take care of of everybody. But what you're doing is very
credible because a lot of women like my, my mother, for example,
she was with my stepfather for 33 years.

(39:46):
And when they left each other, they left each other because my
mom was like my, my two brothershad just left a home for the
first time. So she was a a woman for the
first time instead of being a mother or a career person.
Like you said, and right then and there she was like, damn
there. There's missing like something
in this relationship. There's missing.
Like, I don't feel like a woman,like I should feel like so and

(40:10):
she tried to fix it and then nothing worked.
Because sometimes when you're, you're so in love with somebody
or you, you're trying to drag your career and, and, and your
kids forward, You're so not thinking about what you need.
So that's what happens. You guys become invisible to
what you really need until the kids leave or the career change.

(40:31):
And then you start really looking at what you needed.
Like, damn, there's always something missing for a lot of
girls. That and my, my, my mom, thank
God, she, she went back to the gym and that's what fueled her
to feel good again about her beauty because she hadn't been
told she was beautiful in years and years.
And there was a guy that was like end of 20 and my mom was

(40:52):
like beginning of 40 and was like, Hey, you look good.
Keep doing what you're doing like nothing else.
Did ask her for a date just that.
And that was such an impact for my mom.
She's like this did that for sure.
I'm never gonna sleep with like he finds me that I'm working
hard and I'm attractive and thatthere changed everything.
She it gave her a reason of why she was doing everything.
It's a after you start seeing the accomplishments, that's when

(41:16):
it's really becomes a drug that wow, you accomplish that.
Let's get more. Let's get more.
Oh, I agree. And I have very personal
experience with your mom's story, so I can relate 100% to
that entire story. I could only say that, yeah.
And that's part of where this came from too, is that there's

(41:37):
there's these archetypes of, of women, they say, and you know,
you have your before you can, you know, before puberty and
then you have your childbearing years.
And then we were supposed to just go into what's called the
Crone stage, where you're done having children in a
biologically, you're done havingchildren and technically your

(41:59):
job on this planet is done for biological reasons.
And I think and that's kind of how society viewed women like,
OK, well, you know, just that's it.
You can go be a grandma or something like that.
But our lifespans have have extended because of the modern
technology and how we view things.
So then you find now you have this group of women, much like

(42:21):
your mother, much like myself, who the kids are out of the
house. There's no grandkids because
everybody's having children later.
These women have a block of 10 plus years where they are going
through a hell of a lot of physical stuff with
perimenopause, menopause and they feel like they don't have a
function. What are they supposed to do?

(42:42):
Yeah, what's my goal now? Three years are whining down and
they started to say, Hey, this, this little period now is, is
going to be a new archetype and it's going to be called the wild
woman stage. And that's where everything
like, I can't preach that enough.
That's where I say like, you're in this stage where you you're
not taking care of grandkids. You're not you're not hopefully

(43:05):
taking care of elderly parents or or the spouse that has
sickness or anything like that. Your jobs kind of on autopilot
at this point or you're retiring.
So why not get out there and kick ass and have some God damn
fun? Like again, put that dress on,
put those heels on, go have a martini look sexy.
Do whatever it is that that makes you feel sexy in this

(43:27):
world. And like your like your mom
said, it takes just one person to look at you and acknowledge
that woman that's hitting her prime.
We don't feel like we're hittingour prime.
We feel like we're done. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's so not true.
And I love your mom's story. And I'm so happy someone took
the time to acknowledge what shewas doing.
And that became inspiration because every woman needs that.

(43:51):
And I would say this, this isn'tan exclusive to women.
Every man needs is you get your point in your life.
And you just live it different. But for sure that hits us as
well. Yeah, you're like I've spent my
life on the hamster wheel, you know, provide.
I don't feel, I don't feel like achieved.
Like here I am, what am I doing?So everybody needs someone like

(44:11):
that that can acknowledge. And so I'm really glad for your
mom. Very great.
It's so incredible because I never saw my mom like driven
like that happy in life. It's so beautiful.
Like I got trouble like having asupper with her because she's so
busy cause now her schedule she's packing that scheduler
with her new boyfriend that she's doing trips.

(44:34):
She's she never did that her whole life.
She was at home cleaning, putting us food on the table and
taking care of the farm, nothingelse.
And now there she's just living and you see that fire inside my
mother and she's almost 50 and the fire.
I never saw fire. My mom my whole life isn't
incredible people. It's a it's so beautiful.

(44:57):
And sometimes we need almost that dead end of that
relationship to really have thatimpact because my mom, let's say
my my brothers were stayed there.
I think it would have even more years but them leaving and she's
being a a wife for the first time, not a mother changed
everything. She saw the drastic problem
right away. But sometimes it takes more time

(45:19):
on because the kids are there oryou're so invested in your
career and a woman that are dedicated are dedicated no
matter what they are and. It's like a spotlight.
It's like you're sitting in an interrogation room and all of a
sudden this, there's this spotlight on your life go, oh
shit, you things have been here.But like you said, they're just

(45:42):
buried for everyone being behindjust surviving life, providing,
nurturing. And so, yeah, then you see and
you go, no, this isn't going to work.
Yeah, I really appreciate it about you and what what you push
out. You have such a unapologetic way
to approach a Wellness. What do you think was wrong with

(46:03):
traditional norms about woman's health?
And why do you believe that it'simportant to challenge those
outdated ideas? Well, for, you know, to start
off with Western medicine, and I'm not knocking all Western
medicine, but we are very drivento treat symptoms versus finding
out the root cause of the problem.

(46:26):
So we're very quick to go. Um, no, you have a headache,
you. Know there's a pill?
Yes, you know, there there's, there's medication for
everything or there there's interventions for everything
that just target the symptom andthat that's so far.
So coming from a perspective of an alternative healthcare

(46:48):
person, a practitioner, you wantto look at what's causing this.
And there could be multiple things, but it's, it's like a,
you know, it's like a puzzle. It's something you have to keep
going through and finding and, and really getting to the root
cause. And it could be physical, it
could be mental, it could be a combination.
But it's especially in the realmof menopause.

(47:11):
We weren't taught. Doctors aren't really, they
weren't. I think it's starting to really
change now. Weren't educated on this, this
phase. And I think this stat was 80% of
doctors coming out of Med schoolhad no exposure to what happens
to a woman in class. And there was like 34 published

(47:32):
symptoms. And now they think there's going
to be a list of over 100 coming because everyone's different.
Yeah. Appreciating like a woman's body
is, is, is is changing drastically.
And so when you have change, a lot of stuff has to go down for
the next version of this woman to emerge with all these

(47:52):
different, you know, levels of hormones that weren't there.
And, you know, I just, it wasn'ttalked about.
It's not being addressed. And women were feeling very like
no one's listening to me. Everyone thinks I'm crazy.
I have all this rage or I'm crying and no one, you know, oh,
you know, it's, it's some anxiety, stress.
Take this. So I really wanted to start

(48:14):
looking at, you know, what thesesymptoms these things are going
to experience are going to be there on an individual basis.
The severity is what we have to look at and we need to start
looking at it holistically. So where's your diet?
Where's your sleep? Where's your stress levels?
Where's your fitness? What are we doing to help your

(48:36):
body transition through this versus masking it with a
medication? In Japan, their degree and
another countries, their degree of menopause symptoms is.
And the way they view menopause is.
So it's it's almost, I don't want to say nonexistent, but
it's so low compared to the US because in these countries they

(48:58):
view this stage of life as a rebirth, which absolutely love.
And when you have that mindset, the oh, this is a rebirth.
Yeah, there might be some uncomfortable.
It's like that glass half full, half demon, half empty for.
Sure. And here's some mechanisms to
cope, some of the uncomfortableness and here's
what you should be excited about.

(49:18):
Great, you're in this area, no more periods.
Great. You don't have to deal with
that. You don't have to worry about
getting pregnant. So many different things.
And so treating the body as a whole and, and trying to do
things, you know, like your mom,she's in there in the gym, she
knows when she leaves the gym, she just physically feels great.
Then she starts looking great and her nutrition is on point.

(49:41):
When your nutrition is on point,your levels, your hormone levels
and stuff, things are just cranking perfectly.
Well, never say perfectly. Yeah, well, you out for you.
Yeah. So that's what I, I'm, you know,
that's my issue and that's why Idecided, OK, we can approach
this. If you need medication, if
that's like the only route or that's a route you consciously

(50:03):
researched and chose, good for you.
You should you, everyone should have choice and everyone should
be exposed to all the different options.
They absolutely, I'm not anti medicine.
I'm not anti anything that you need to do.
I only ask that you research. Are you?
Talk to your doctor and if it seems like the best course of

(50:23):
action for you, take it. Absolutely.
And you're so right, I realized a lot of people like they're in
their 40s and they're acting like they're gonna die in like
5-5 years, how depressed they seem or, or like their flame is
not there anymore. That's what I see most people
that are 40. But like you said, technology is

(50:43):
advancing and most people now survive for at least 80.
So you're only halfway. So it's like you're going to
start whining now, bro. You still have the other way to
go. You gotta, you gotta find that
spark in your life no matter what age you have.
But a lot of people, like, accept the life they're given
instead of fighting for their life they want.

(51:04):
Ohi love that. Write that down.
The phrase I've been saying since I'm 16.
Yes, not, not not to mantra right there.
Well, let's fall in that uncomfortable truth segment.
So I'm gonna ask you like 5 questions and it's gonna trigger
US uncomfortable truths of this life.

(51:24):
What's 1 of the hardest truths you realized in your career or
life? All right, one of the hardest
truths, you, it's a truth, but it's a positive at the end that
you're going to fail. It's inevitable that you're
going to fail, you gonna fail, and you might fail 100 times,

(51:47):
and that sucks and really it affects everything about you.
But if you look at it like each time that I fail, I'm learning
something. New lesson.
Don't do this next time or don'tdo that and eventually you will
succeed. But yeah, you're you're going to
fail. You wanna go in there thinking
like I'm the best, I'm greater, I got that.

(52:08):
But no, no, you're going to you're going to fail.
But look at that failure as as apositive.
Take it in a positive direction.Absolutely.
I had a guy that says failure rules, that says book because we
learn through those failures. And if you don't have failures
in life, well, you think everything's chill.
But when you do have that failure, you don't know how to

(52:30):
deal with it. And a lot of people that had a
lot of failures, like for example, M&M, when, when, when
you went to the lowest of the lowest of nobody wants to listen
to you. But it it drives you there to
the highest degree to make thesepeople listen to you at the end
of everything creates a flame. What's the deepest uncomfortable
truth you had to face about yourown bias?

(52:52):
Ooh, my own bias. I, you know, I don't know if
this is a bias. Um, I just think maybe the most,
I don't know that this is a bias, but, um, when you just
looking inside yourself and saying, yeah, I'm wrong, you
know, when you're like constantly I was right.

(53:14):
I can validate everything I've done.
I feel like I'm justified, I'm this and that.
And then you have to really takea moment, suck up your pride,
open your eyes to what's really going on and saying, yeah, fuck
this up. Yeah, I was wrong with that one.
I'm wrong whether it's with another person, whether it's

(53:35):
just a a business thing, any it doesn't matter something you
with your children, the way you parented.
It's it's have it, it's right. You have to take courage to just
sit. There.
And admit to yourself you're fucked up.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, because I don't like to
admit I'm wrong. For me neither.
Ever. But it's strong when you can do
it. Right.

(53:56):
What's on uncomfortable truth you had to accept about the way
success or happiness is achieved?
Um, OK, so first of all, I had to, it was a, an early on lesson
because when you're young, but money does not buy you happiness
or money doesn't determine that you are successful.

(54:20):
That was first and foremost. And then success takes a lot of
hard work. And too often, especially in
today's culture, when you see, you know, someone just made it
on TikTok or, you know, someone got picked up on a label for
their record or something. And, and we start to look at
those people and we think it's not hard work.
It's not hard work. It's going to happen.

(54:41):
And and then we just slack and we sit back and no, it is, it's
really hard work. And there are going to be days
where you want to quit. Absolutely.
They're like, no, I'm just, I'm not, I'm gonna you know what?
I'm gonna go back to, you know, pouring beer.
It's, it's, it's well, that's stressful.
And I was in the restaurant injury for industry for 14

(55:02):
years. But you're like, it's, it's less
on my brain than having to startthis myself or, or really push
myself. So success being really hard
work and again, tying in and you're going to fail.
Absolutely. Those shame and failing so.
Exactly what's an aspect of menopause that you believe that
is misrepresented by movies and media?

(55:25):
Um, I would say it's that whole concept of there we're done kind
of that we need to move on and now get our polyester or velour
tracksuit velour 'cause I got one at Costco once, Vellore, you
know, track suit on and our orthopedic sneakers.

(55:49):
And you know, that's about, that's our wardrobe now.
And we need to, we need to go and bake and take care of the
grandkids. And why bother with makeup, you
know? And no one, you know, no male
will ever think you're hot again.
So don't you know, don't worry about that.
You know, the women that are like, oh, well, you know, wow,

(56:11):
this is going to get me in trouble.
But I'm married now, I have the kids, I've been doing this for
10 years. Um, you know, I just don't feel
like work. It doesn't matter what I look
like anymore. I've already I got the life and
I can let it all go matter. That pisses me off more than
anything in the world because, you know, you have some pride in

(56:35):
yourself. Your partner's gone, but not
gonna be attracted to you anymore, and you're gonna be
bitching. He doesn't, you know, want to
have passionate sex or affection.
But do let yourself go. So anyway, so I got on a ramp.
And I find it crazy because let's say I go to convenience
store, well, I get dressed, I'm all clean like A1.

(56:55):
When I go Dollarama, I don't give a shit where I'm going.
It's for myself where I feel great when I go outside and I
took care of myself. We're going outside.
So we should do it for our own. And yes, absolutely.
If you're absolutely in a relationship, well, tell
yourself that that person you wanna do more for that person,
you wanna look better because hedoes, he pays the bills.

(57:16):
He does a little extra here. So like just letting go of
yourself. It is a not, not the not the
right way to to do it. What's a no?
Go ahead. And I was going to say, you
know, let's just say you've bothfallen into that rut, right?
But so do you for you like do yourself up so you look good, so
you feel good, and that's going to rub off.

(57:37):
Oht yeah, that's gonna motivate him for sure.
You know, most cases it's gonna motivate them one way or the
other. But when you were saying going
out to grocery store, like I felt victim for a little while,
like I'm not too ashamed to admit I had a pair of Crocs now
they were, you know, sparkly silver because I can't do

(57:57):
anything normal. But I did run to the grocery
store and Crocs till, you know, people started saying, you know,
like, maybe you shouldn't do that.
Maybe I could put on, you know, I love converse.
I love my Chuck. So put on your good chucks
instead of the Crocs. And I was like, you're right.
This is showing. It just looks less nonchalant.

(58:18):
It looks like at least intentionally put converse on.
Yeah, you did not follow them. What's an uncomfortable truth
about human nature that your career has shown you?
Ah yes, that throughout my career I can say human nature,

(58:38):
we really fail in the area of listening and and listening with
an unbiased. So whatever your convictions
are, your beliefs, your morals, your ethics, not everyone is
going to be in that same, you know, cookie cutter stereotype
thinking that you are. And that's not wrong.

(58:58):
That person isn't. Now we're talking about things
that aren't like going to harm other people.
Yeah, but I might believe, you know, wearing all black all the
time is is amazing. And the next person might think,
no, we got to go with pastels. And you're both right.
You know, I'm choosing somethingvery, you know, easy to talk
about. But through this journey being,

(59:20):
and then in the industry, the, the medical profession, but just
in life in general, just we do not listen.
And if more people listened and again, with an open mind saying,
maybe I don't agree, but you know, even when it comes to, you
know, ideas and being creative, someone might have this
spectacular. We, we started an animation for

(59:44):
Tempesta, the superhero who conquers menopause symptoms.
And we'll say it and we will have, you know, I don't like
this or, and, and I'm like, well, but I like this.
Just open, open mind and don't judge anyone for what they
believe. It's not your place to do that.
They have a right to believe whatever they want as long as,

(01:00:04):
again, you're not harming. Anyone, exactly.
Everybody is allowed to have their own opinion, but a lot of
people like literally can't accept it.
And when somebody's talking about their opinion, since they
already have their bias or theiropinion, they're listening, but
they don't literally care what the fuck is coming out.
They just can't wait for your mouth to stop.
So they were like, yeah, but that don't work.

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Cause yeah, she was ready. That person was just waiting for
you to be done. She didn't care.
So it's, if we start caring about the opinions of people,
well, for sure we're gonna get abetter script of how to help
people. I I think it's because that they
put so many everybody in the same mold for for for like
everything. When you go see our Scaliger

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psychologist, Well, they learn from a book.
Well, you're telling me that every person trait in the world
that is so different fits in allthis mold.
No, it don't. And it's for that for everything
in this science of life. We're so individual, but they
try to all put us in the same mold like school, like all just

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if you remember that you consider smart, but but having
like the the variety, I think that that would fix a lot of
problems that we have there. I mean, how cool is it if
everybody can be unique, how cool is that?
That means you're going to meet someone and whether you believe
in the same beliefs or not, likeyou're going to like hear this

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person's story and you're, maybeyou'll come away with something
or you'll at least be moved. Like, wow, that's what this
person believes or, or that's what they've experienced in
life. And it's so different from mine.
And and you, you, you get something for that.
If nothing else, you get entertained.
You know, you had a really greatconversation.
Your mind was blowing a little bit.
And this is awesome. If we were all, you know, all

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the same, we'd be so boring. We would want to be on this
planet. It's the same thing with music.
Like, we've got so many genres of music, and that's awesome.
Yeah. And then you know when, when you
can mix rap and metal or you cando, you know, you start fusing
things and people start collaborating, even bigger, more
beautiful things come out. So just the uniqueness of

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everyone is, is why we're all onthis planet.
It's why we're still striving todo what we do.
You use a cutting edge science with alternative healthcare to
create a real transformative result.
What have you realized from traditional healthcare that you
do that they're not doing? Well, again, like we're looking

(01:02:38):
more at the body as a whole. So, and again, I just, I want to
preface this, that this course of action may not be right for
each person. They may have to go in a more
medical direction. That is fine, but the way we do
it, we have a line of supplements we came out.
We try to keep it really clean so that one of the things like

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if you're on Ozempic semaglutide, it's the big thing
right now because it's easy to lose weight.
It's, it's easier than putting, you know, hours into the gym and
being really diligent on your diet.
And so for some people, that is the best course of action for
them. So then I want to come in and
say, OK, we understand this is what's happening.
So let's just make sure the foods you are eating is very

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nutritious and that we can help you when you do finally come off
the medication to maintain your success and have these new
habits that's typically not preached in the current medical
world. And you know, again, tying into
fitness and women lifting very heavy weights at this stage of

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life, there's so much that they derive them that from, you know,
their hormones bouncing out better to osteoporosis.
They're bones being healthier because they stay that way, the
way they look, the more muscle they carry.
They, they just aesthetically you look better and you're
burning more fat. So looking at, at each
individual, we, we don't have a dog tag, you know, Mike Russ

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that says like, you've gotta eat1500 calories and you've gotta
do this and you gotta do that. No, each person's different and
what works for me isn't gonna work for you.
But let's like figure it out andgive you the best chance
possible. And again, if you need to then
turn to medication or any other version of that, then that's
what you need to do. I, I had a, a judge on that.

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She went through meth for like 20 years and became a judge
after and became sober. It's a fucking incredible story.
And she was, she was realizing that the sober path that the
coaches teach people to get sober.
Well, they like, they try to puteverybody like it on the
Christian, like God bring God init when a lot of people don't

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believe in God. So a lot of people would shy
away from it. And she was realizing that a lot
of them, even if they didn't have God, well, they're like,
oht, like everybody could fit inthat in that model.
Like I, I read some of them and I was like, that would have got
me sober at all. It's like I went through a free
base cocaine 10 years ago for two years.

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And like, that's not what what would have helped me.
It's like I needed somebody to derail my train without asking
me if I had a choice. That's what I needed.
I need somebody to derail me because you know that phrase
that they say, oh, if he's not ready, we can't do anything.
Well, that if if people would live with that with me, I would
I would have been dead. So I wanna hear that phrase,

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man. It's fucking incredible because
every person has a a different story to tell.
One and and two, we're gonna go through different different
things differently. And we're to adapt.
We need sometimes different tools to adapt differently.
But everything is made like in amold.
You're this thing. Take that, but it's not like

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that. I think that your way to really
understand the person that's coming for your help and giving
them the right advice after, I think that's the fucking best
way to do it because you can't say OHP your problems menopause.
OK, so here's the program. Take care, have a good day.
Like that didn't fix shit. She's just gonna go on the thing
that tries to fit with a mold, but if she's really different,

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she'll never fit there. You're wasting her time.
No, it's like you have. I just had this woman who she
just she can't, she won't exercise and and part of that is
because of her weight. So she doesn't feel comfortable
exercising. It's not gonna happen.
So you can't sit there and forcea template of exercise on this

(01:06:37):
woman at. All Oh no, she's just gotta run
away from you. Gonna say no so you have to look
at it alright how can we work with her and and you know one of
the first things I said was how do you feel about a short 5
minute walk? And she was like, I can do that.
I can walk down to whatever there was water or something.
I could walk down the water back.
And I'm like, OK, perfect. Because that's your exercise.

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And we're just, we're going to start with 5 minutes and let's,
you know, not even get drastic. Let's go a minute next week
longer, let's go 6 minutes. Like you have to figure out how
to work with a person and, and how they feel, what they will
commit to, what they want, what they absolutely won't commit to.
And you have to give it in such a way that they see, Oh yeah, I

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want to do this. They see the value in it and
it's, they feel it's their decision.
So, you know, you can say, well,we can do this or we can do this
and they feel, OK, I can do this.
I've made the choice. I'm going to commit to this and
it's doable. And you know, if I, if I told
someone like, OK, you don't exercise and you haven't
exercised, but the key to success is I need you to start

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bench pressing with a barbell barbell.
And I need that way to be real at least one time body weight.
No one would ever talk to me. They they'd be like, this woman
doesn't listen at all. She doesn't understand me.
Absolutely. And in Western medicine, how is
that gonna catch up to the alternative healing methods a

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lot of people have? Well, I think there's, there's a
lot of women out there right now, some really awesome women
who are pushing this same style of message that I am that we, we
need to really look at this. We need to educate doctors, we
need to educate women. We need to educate the women's

(01:08:25):
partners so they understand it. This movement is growing and
Western medicine is catching up and they're and they're
acknowledging it. So I've, it's a really
interesting, really cool time tobe involved in this area because
you're watching it bloom, you know, right in front of your
eyes. So I, I think we'll get to a

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spot. I mean, we're we're almost there
where you will be able to go andyou will be able to see your
doctors and feel very confident they will listen.
They won't dismiss you and I. And it is all coming from a
group of women who decided screwthis.
We're not going to do this filtered.
We're not we're going to shatterall the taboos.
We're going to openly talk aboutthis.

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Let's let's open our mouths. Let's just freaking pour a glass
of wine if you if you're drinking and let's let's talk
about this shit and let's not hide it.
And I think that movement, the women in podcast books and
speakers, is really helping. Absolutely.
And thank God we're in a world of social creatures and
Internet. That's why we have access to so

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many people. So I think that your message can
really gravitate to a lot of people going through something
similar. So I got the critical thinking
part. Is that OK with you or you're
you're limited in your your time?
No, let's go. OK, OK.
Now how critical? I'll think.
But let's go. So, critical thinking.

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What's that? Your favorite personal
achievement, either in your career or your life, that you're
most proud of. My children raising my children,
without a doubt. That's a perfect answer when
you're a mother. Three boys and I feel like I did
a pretty damn good job. Obviously they have their father
too, so not taken away for as a team we raised them well so.

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What? What's a surprising conspiracy
or theory that you believe that is probably not conventional?
Oh. Oh.
Conspiracy theory or something? I don't alright is is aliens
conspiracy. Yeah, it's a theory.

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So it's. Good for you.
So I just, I find it very hard to believe that we exist on this
little planet. And being said, I don't know
what that looks like. I don't know what an alien looks
like. I don't know if it's an alien.
I just think that there's where there's no way that humans were
populated. Life here, but nowhere else.
There's no whatever it looks like.

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It could be a little, you know, minion looking people somewhere.
That's something and sometimes things happen and you're like,
how did that happen? Is are we just all like an
experiment is there, are we in amovie kind of thing?
So I would say with that, I just, I have a hard time

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believing whatever you want to call it, that's how that we are
just alone and and this unique special planet.
Absolutely. That was one of my phrases when
I was a kid. Of all, if there's life here and
you think there was no life somewhere else, you're down
there because for sure there's amicrobe.
There's something out. There.
What's a commonly held belief inyour field that you believe

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needs to be re completely reevaluated and why?
Ohk, OK, let me think about thisone common belief.
Well, I think just that we have to.
So if we talk about menopause, that's currently where I'm just
needy. Even if we believe we have to

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accept all these these symptoms,these biological processes, the
severity of it, not the actual processes.
If we have to accept it, you know, just take it on the chin
and and move on. You know, this is what you're
given. No, that's that's bullshit.
Say no, you know, no, we don't have to just take it.

(01:12:22):
No, there's no course of action that we can't take to lessen it
or even, you know, eliminate them person for each individual.
So yeah, no, not. I'm not accepting that.
What's an example of a situationwhere thinking outside the box
that helped you solve a problem that others couldn't?

(01:12:44):
I think all I do is think outside the box and sometimes
that's. Why we having you on?
It sure shit doesn't work out meoutside the box, you know?
I I think you lived outside the box.
Live outside the box a little bit, I think.

(01:13:06):
I don't even know if things are outside the box that I do.
I just think that I try to approach something and I try to
look at it through my eyes, which tend to be rose coloured
glasses or they tend to have, you know, that most people are.
Like Health and John. Don't even understand what
they're like. Not flavorfully.

(01:13:26):
Who's the one with? Maybe it's Flavor Flav.
What is she thinking and why is she thinking like this?
And I'm like, just just trust me, trust me, something's gonna,
something good's gonna come out of this.
So I don't know if there's a specific outside of the box
thing. I just think in general, just
don't take things on face value and don't take the typical root

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solution. Just you never know.
You just never know what odd thinking can just open up a
whole new solution or Ave. for you.
And people are so afraid of the,the like not knowing the not
knowing the unknown there. Well, that's why a lot of people
don't try and start stuff. The the person wants to be a

(01:14:10):
painter, but it's working at a shot constantly.
And you're like, why don't you paint?
You're like, oh man, I don't have time and everything.
It's like, well, you got nights.Or he's like, oh, well, I'm
tired of like, damn. It's like you're sad all the
time and you're just waiting forthis Friday to be happy for two
days and not even do your passion.
It's like, what are you waiting for?
You are you waiting to be 60 to start painting?

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If you wanna paint? But yeah, you gotta get into
that. Uncomfortable.
And what's a concept or idea, ideology that most people don't
understand or misinterpret, but you come to realize that it's
probably crucial? Well, I would say, you know,
again, I'm going to go back to the, the female end of this and

(01:14:54):
this stage of life and, and this, this ideology, this, this
belief that, you know, we're, we're done, that we're just, you
know, just passing the time tillwe die and we, we have no
purpose. And I highly disagree with it.
And if women would understand this, not only can you live your

(01:15:15):
life and do all things that you and I have already talked about,
but I, I just, there's and there's no, I have no research
on this, but I had just watched the speaker on, on the Internet.
And he, he's, he's believe it's Middle Eastern research or what,
what his specialty is. But he talked about women and he

(01:15:37):
talked about why do women outlive men?
And everybody always laughs. And it's because women takes
care of the man. And so if she's not around or,
or, you know, they don't take men don't take care of
themselves enough or women drivethe men to die, They've driven
up. I'm I love you mom, but I've
seen my mom turn a man's hair away because she's been a

(01:16:00):
handful. But he said the theory is, is
that we move from having children to being the bearers of
wisdom and experience through the you know, women are
multitasking. Their hands are in so many
different things and men they they focus on legitimately on
OK, I gotta provide and she's going to do all these other

(01:16:21):
things. She's like the.
Octopus. She's the chief operations
officer of and, and he's, you know, he's in there and he's
doing a specific job. So the theory is, is that
biologically we can no longer bear children and now our job is
to pass the wisdom on to the future generation.
So that's why and teach them. So yes, it's very much a

(01:16:43):
grandmother role, but that we'relike, we're the bearers of
wisdom. So we live longer because we
have to impart this wisdom that we've learned on to the next
generation or the generation after that.
And that, you know, that's that's I firmly believe that.
Compared to Western civilizationthat they're think they're

(01:17:04):
useless after 40 when when in inthat culture, they're like, no,
no, that's when you become more important because everything
falls down on you for the future.
It's incredible how how to civilization see that completely
different. Yeah, exactly.
Like I said, in different countries, especially like in
Asia, their thought process is like women are so valuable as

(01:17:26):
they age because they have all this knowledge, like we've made
all the mistakes. We can teach you how not to make
the mistakes. We can pass on just wealth of
experiences and and that, you know, that's what I believe.
I believe. No, we didn't die out.
We like have a very important job to do.
I just also believe we should look really hot while we're

(01:17:48):
importing this for as long as wecan.
Absolutely, Absolutely. You're a chiropractor,
acupuncturist, and a menopause specialist.
What does a blending all these three discipline unlock and that
traditional care misses? Don't just it's very rooted in
the holistic approach to everything.

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So again, looking at the body asa whole and we, we can't
prescribe medications. We, you know, we can't order a
lot of like lab tests in this thing and things like that.
We do work with other providers so that we can like say, you
know, refer out or say you need to do this or that.
But we just look at everything from a very, the nervous system,

(01:18:32):
the musculoskeletal system. And then if you get into
acupuncture, you're looking at, you know, energy pathways to
things like that. So just looking at the body,
each individual body. So I, I would think that since I
don't know much about this, it'slike a, like a 3D printer since
you have all three things around, well, you can really

(01:18:54):
analyze the, the object or the person you're trying to, to fix
then if you just have one of those backgrounds.
That's how I'm thinking about. It yeah, you can, you can bring,
there's different tools now and different, you know, acupuncture
doesn't you, you have Eastern and western version of that.
So, you know, you're drawing from different areas and trying
to just be like, OK, what is going to be the best course of

(01:19:16):
action for this person and and what tools are at my disposal to
help them? And I like what we're talking
about earlier, like there's literally some give and take in
everybody that you listen to about.
A lot of people are like that person said that thing that I
don't agree with and now they'reanti that person.
Like there's some give and take and everybody and everybody can

(01:19:37):
teach you. Like a homeless person can teach
you a lot in life, but a lot of people don't take the time just
to listen to other opinion, other story.
You teach self defence physically and mentally.
What is the most important tool that every every woman should
carry beyond fist? Um, well, I think one of the
most, you know, we could get into different beliefs on if

(01:20:01):
you're in a concealed weapons area, if you can carry a gun or
if you know, and, and everybody's going to have
different beliefs and comfortability with that.
Please be trained if you do. I have a pocket knife, you know,
a Taser pepper spray. Um, I'm not a big fan of things
that if you don't know, if you've not been trained, like

(01:20:23):
you're an expert, you should nothave it.
So if you don't know how to use a gun, you should not be
carrying. They use a weapon.
Guess what? That weapon is going to that
knife. If you don't know, it's going to
be turned on you. If you have no like pepper
spray, like you could spray yourself there's or you get
caught in the mess. But what women almost always
have on them is a set of keys inbad situations.

(01:20:48):
Now, not, not always so in the if you don't, you know, if
you're not walking to it from your car, always be aware that
anything and everything is a weapon, everything.
So training yourself to to so wego through the stoplight method
like you get into a situation and even if you're in your own

(01:21:09):
home is, is this parking lot? Is this a green light situation?
So your green, green, everythingis normal.
You might have daylight, you're in your home, everything you
know, people might be home. This is a very safe situation,
so your alertness has to be low.Um, your yellow, so it's dusk in
the parking lot. There's like a handful of cars.

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You're parked far away. You're not really comfortable.
Your Spidey senses are going offor somewhere in your house or
anywhere you're at. That's a yellow situation.
So you need to be, you know, youneed to start looking around and
saying, OK, let me just breathe.But let's be aware, very, very
aware. And then you have a red
situation where you're. Just in a danger.

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Or you're like, I'm in a dark parking lot, there's nobody
around. So you have to be like, OK, this
is this is a potentially a dangerous situation.
What do I have to defend myself?Where can I get away?
How can I not be cornered? Where's the exit?
So you have to really start analyzing the situation.
Doesn't mean something's going to be bad.
It means you have to be armed and ready.

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So a set of keys is usually a great weapon because you can
just put them between your fingers.
You can have one of the keys outand you're going to take
someone's eyes out. You're going to do some damage
with just that. At least you can go away after.
For sure. You straight scratch like
something and outside of that, then you just need to know that,

(01:22:33):
be aware it. Like I said, a stick on the
ground can take someone's eye out.
A rock, a tire iron, you don't usually have those hanging
around, but let's say you're changing your tire and that's
where it happens. Piece of glass.
Yellow, a little brick inside your purse there.
So you're just hanging around with your purse, but you know
that out of nowhere you could throw that birds on his way.

(01:22:55):
Anything can be a weapon, including fingernails, whatever
it is. So just run through your plan as
people like why? Why am I going to start thinking
about something that will never happen?
Well, it's probably gonna happenthere or I shouldn't say that
there's a very good chance something could happen to you.
So why not at least pre think a little bit and you know, mindset

(01:23:16):
though, that's your biggest thing.
Honestly, I take back the keys mindset, having that mindset
that I cannot freeze. I just need to get away.
I just need to get away. Being conscious of what
everything that happens around Istart partner.
I went to see friends in Montreal a couple days ago and
his girlfriend when she arrived back at home.
So I Oh my God, you guys won't believe what happened like damn

(01:23:36):
what happens like the guy grabbed me by the arm like damn
let me go. I try to walk you re grab my arm
and we're like God damn. And then she ran away and the
guy was like, Hey, let her go. And the guy was stopped in his
tracks or else he was continuing.
And her boyfriend was like, you didn't hear the guy coming in
back of you or anything. And she's like, no, I had my
earphones on. I'm like, what?
You had your earphones on walking in Montreal?

(01:23:59):
Are you fucking kidding me? The only thing you're doing is
giving a chance to a car or anything around you to touch you
before you realize something's coming.
And that is dangerous because that is too late when when that
happens. Because if the guy is experience
or the person experience, I'm like, he would have grabbed that
neck of that person and eight seconds you're falling asleep

(01:24:21):
and that's it. Look, because the girl had no,
doesn't know her surrounding cause you're there with your
headphones. It's like it's all good to
listen to music, but you need tobe conscious that life is dark
and fucking dangerous people. And no matter if you're a dude
or girl, because there's more guys that get attacked at night
than girls by the stats. So it's quite incredible.
So trying to break it, it's likea very important strategy that

(01:24:46):
women and men and children like everybody should have is that
majority of the reason, especially women, why they get
attacked is because they're perceived as as weak or easy,
right? It's easy like you're OK, She's
got headphones on, she can't hear me coming or you start
going, oh, don't hurt me, don't hurt things like that.

(01:25:06):
So in those situations, you got to look like a psycho.
You have, you have to be a problem for that person.
They don't want to deal with youif you're a problem.
So if they look at you and you're like, you know, you're
not planning on fighting the guy.
Yeah, It's like, don't fucking do this because you're gonna
regret it. He's like, this one's gonna be a
problem. You know, we're, like, pulling

(01:25:27):
the arm off like she did. Like, I don't want a piece of
this. You know, I just stepped into a
honey badger over here. This is not good for me.
So if you cannot have your headphones in and you can not
just cower, you know, look like I can.
I can figure this out. And he doesn't want to handle
this mess. That's your best.
Like that's a really good tacticto take.

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I think it is when the judge that I had on her, she she was
kidnapped by three people and abused and a van and everything.
And while she's in the van, it'slike she's realizing that she
can't run out there because they're probably gonna kill her.
But she was conscious enough andsmart enough to be like, OK,
who's the fucking leader here who controls this room right

(01:26:09):
now? She was like taking and she was
like, if I panic or start yelling, like like being a crazy
bitch, like it's very good in the last situation.
Well, in that one, well, it's not because they're probably
gonna kill you right there because they're scared to get
caught. So she did complete opposite
being all nonchalant chill. This is what you want.
Whatever gave it and right when she left that that that that

(01:26:32):
Vance she started running and and then never looked back and
she's like sometime if she wouldn't have been abused
before, she would have reacted like a hysterical right and she
maybe was dead when she retrospect looking back at that
and she was like, if I if I for example, I would have had a
Taser and I I could have stayed calm like I did and right at

(01:26:56):
that moment that I feel like I got my shot that and and you're
gone. So I think that what you said is
great. Create chaos create.
Hey, I'm gonna be a fucking problem bro, if you start
fucking with me. That is a great way.
But let's say you got no call because that that the dangerous
too close or maybe being a nonchalant relaxed like he's

(01:27:16):
going to get what he wants to get and the surprise factor of
other injuring him or taking outa weapon right there and maybe
saves the lives of people. Ohe yeah, they they say.
And then this is again, this is not, I'm not advocating this or
saying this is the right way to go, but the same thing with rape

(01:27:36):
is that power. They're like, oh, I got this
power. It's not necessarily always like
a sexual thing. It's I have a power over weaker
thing. And sometimes if you approach it
like, you know, without, withoutthe hysterics and the chaos, and
because that's what they want, they want, they want to win.
Yeah. And like, you know, you don't
have to be like, alright, let's get it on.

(01:27:58):
But you could just be like, you know, you could have this
approach that this is what we'regonna do.
This is what we're gonna do, andyou know.
Out of nowhere, snap his arm in a camera.
Sitting back going, OK, let's dothis.
It's like you're like, alright, you Laura, me into this.
He's not, he doesn't like it anymore because you're like, OK,
you know, And the thrill is gone.

(01:28:19):
And then you snap. You gouge out his eyeballs right
away, kick him in the nuts and and you figure out how to get
away. A few girls I care about the
Kumura while you're on your backthere cause if you grab that arm
at you could Kamura that person so fast and a person that does
not expect that, well, you're, you're falling face first on

(01:28:39):
probably cement. And if you do it strong enough,
you're snapping the arm at the same time.
So it's vicious. Rear naked choke women go I
can't do a rear naked choke and and and men have such a big neck
blah blah blah. And like you have these Bony
little. Arms.
It's easier. You slip that under how to do
that right, It's came over quick, 8 seconds, enough time to

(01:29:04):
get away and then you get keep running.
But yeah, I agree. And Kimora, that's a good one.
Oh yeah, that is a good one. So you've built a brand around
reclaiming their fire. What keeps your fire burning?
And when no ones watching tell us.
You know, is, is these, like I said, these, these little

(01:29:25):
challenges. It's it's waking up.
There is someone I just said, I just talked to you said, Oh, I
heard this podcast and they say everyday wake up and you know,
say today is gonna be a great day.
And then when you go to bed, saydon't think about the shitty
things that happen. Just pick out the one really
good thing. So start and end your day like
in a really good mindset. And I just, I think it's, it's

(01:29:49):
always having something that I need to achieve that I want to
achieve, even if it's, you know,it could be something that I
know is it's, it's pleasant. I don't, it's not going to get
uncomfortable or having something very uncomfortable to
to eventually say, hey, I did that.
Even if again, I failed, like I showed up, I did it.
And I like to start the day and I like to start today saying

(01:30:11):
like today is going to be a great damn day.
I'm going to kick today in the ass.
And I also say before today kicks me the ass because it is
going to kick me in the ass at some point.
It's gonna make me pissed off, but I am going to start the day
out great. Oh my God, that's so similar to
what I say. I'm like, instead of thinking
the day of like, Oh my God, thisday's gonna take me over, is

(01:30:33):
like, no, how am I gonna destroythis fucking day?
Let's go. I'm breathing, people.
That's how you guys see it. Right, exactly.
And if you know, like if you're a realist and you're like
today's gonna be a great fuckingday, chances are something's
going to go wrong, but I'm stillgoing to fucking say it wasn't
that bad. Thing does happen.
You're not like ohhhhh see todayexactly.

(01:30:53):
You know this was gonna happen so.
Yeah, because it validates your laziness of like.
OK, this wasn't, oh, this was the best you could throw at me
today, Matt. That's not even close.
You were awesome to have on at work and everybody find you and
your socials and check out your stuff.
So our website, we have two websites, my Tempesta and it's

(01:31:18):
TEMPESTA because yes, it's very difficult.
My tempesta.com where we work with, you know, menopausal,
perimenopausal women are supplement line is Doctor
kelcyre.com. You can find those there.
Very Stevie Nicks vibe on the podcast.
The calfireshow.com is where youcan figure out where to stream

(01:31:38):
it from. And then Instagram, my personal
Instagram is open. It's public, so it's I am Cal
Fire. So the letter I am Cal Fire.
That's it. Thanks for coming on.
I had a blast. I I think.
It was. Fun I I think it's so important
for a lot of people, not only women, but to hear this episode

(01:31:59):
because there there's so much, there's so much to learn in life
and if it you've been fed by what the media tells you and
you, you stick to it. Well, we all think that we're
worthless after 40. So finding our passions and
stuff like that, it's really inspiring what you're doing and
it's really incredible that everything you achieve too,
you're really a trailblazer in life and I was honored to have

(01:32:22):
you on. So thanks for coming on and.
Thank you, Sam. I have one question.
So when I do the podcast at the end, I ask every guest like if
you had a song. And so for you, I'll either ask
for a song that so I have a Spotify playlist and it's so
eclectic. So either one of yours, if you

(01:32:42):
have it on Spotify, or a song that resonates with the journey
that you've been through. Oh my God.
OK, yeah, I got the perfect one for you.
Spotify, let's go. OK, what is it?
So are you write DJ Rhett Sam. That's DJ RETS AM.

(01:33:08):
Oh, got it. And I, I, I would recommend a,
there's two in particular there,a freebase Symphony that I would
say. And the other one is that I
don't give a fuck for real. Both really.
The, the, the first one is really my, my story of addiction
and how I came out and how I tryto help people in this

(01:33:29):
addiction. And the other one is more like
of everything, me coming back sober and where I am now.
So you get a a bit of both in those.
So you can choose which one you want there.
Alright, no, I just put them both on.
I'm excited. Thank you for doing.
That perfect perfect and tell mewhat you think after.

(01:33:50):
All right. Thank you so much and thank you
for having me on. It's been so much fun.
It was a blast. So thanks everybody and have a
great weekend.

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