Vic Lagina's Filthy Truths: The Rise of Brazzers & the Reality of Filming 3792 Porn Scenes EP62

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This year's story of a man, a man named Vic Lagina.
Some pronouncement Regina, others say Lagina.
Well, let's just call them. Oh.
Try. Well, that's the job son.

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So rub some fucking dirt on it and get back in the game.
Strong words. No.
Bullshit. Don't they?
Oh my God, yes, give me that magic stick.
How do you get it out of hooker more?

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I swear porn is the only business you can't fail at this
type of fucked up bullshit you got me doing today.
Recruit definitely thinks so, but they're kind of shithead so
they deserve an asshole boss. But fucks sake fuck fuck fuck.

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These ladies are not hookers. It's about to get filthy.

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What wound up happening was I start shooting the video and her
covering herself in oil and thenshe kind of puts herself up
against like the wall, which yousee that big painting back
there, That's the wall, OK. And she, she goes up against
that wall and then starts giggling and then starts sliding
down the wall like really slow. And I'm looking at Mount Allen.

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He's looking at me and we're like, what the fuck?
Like, what is going on here? And she was like, like licking
up the water like like a dog. And then, you know, took her out
and then wound up laying her on the the floor of the bathroom,
putting a towel over her makeup artist had gone.
So I called her up right away. I'm like, Jody, you need to come
back here because this we, we have passed out Pooja on the

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floor right now. And so she's.
Like. Yeah, I'm like come back
because, as you said, 22 dudes with a passed out porn chick.
That's not that's not a good look.
O all I could do is just give advice to people.
You know, for me, when things were getting heavy, I would take
a break and I would go to music festivals and I would do like a

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lot of hallucinogens. I would do Molly probably, you
know, coke as well. I mean there's there's times
where I had about 6 different things swirling around in my
system but. The truth is.
Right. But the truth is, when I was
away from porn, when I was at music, that's when, you know,
the needle started going back into the positive where I would

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come back from a music festival.Alright, I'm back.
Let's go shoot some good fuckingporn, you know?
I'm telling you, I'm listening to this shit with a speaker in
my room, OK? Everything's chill.
And my neighbor is 74 years old,OK?
And I'm in my bed. So her bed is across white on
the other side. And then you start hearing.
So put it deep in my mouth. I'm like, oh, shit.

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Like like so loud. There.
I was like, man, every time. So I had to watch out.
So when the the chapter was ending, I knew that you were
gonna surprise me with somethingelse.
Every fucking time. Yeah, every time I was shocked
by what I was here. And we're, we're not going to do
any dumb shit like like take mushrooms before you're about to

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have sex with someone who you'veboth been mutually interested
in. Because after that she was like,
what the fuck that was? That was such a let down.
Guys, I did it with a with a lotof dudes in my life doing
shrooms, but it never deformed one of my friends this much.
But girls, why they put makeup is to make up who the fuck they

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are. So when you're on Shrove, then
in that world, well, although makeup really it's it's the
makeup is something and the human is the other.
And then when you put both together on shrooms, it's
fucking crazy. Like what the hell did you do to
your face? I should have just opened a
bottle of wine that that would have been.
Really, it was the quick way to do.

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Yeah. Can you tell us a bit the story
of when your parents visited forthe first time and you had to
hide everything in one room and they were really realizing like,
damn, this is a fucking house? I would have thought as a father
I would be like, I think he's a drug.
Dealer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's right. So when I first got into the
porn industry, I told my father this is when I was living in LA.
I'm shooting like some some porn.
He got remarried and she startedasking me questions.
And I was kind of like, you know, it's not your information
to have yet here you are asking all these questions.

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So eventually I cut them off andI was like, I'm not doing it
anymore. And they roll in and they're in
this rather large estate, which for a dude that had no money,
you know, and was in debt, you know, maybe a year and a half
ago, things weren't adding U. And then they were walking
through the house and they're seeing the different colour

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Willy Wonka furniture everywhere.
And they're like, what the fuck?And then there's one room.
And of course she's like, what'sin that room?
And I go, oh, it's, it's my clients.
All of their, their, their, their products.
Well, can we see it? I'm like, no, no, I had to sign
NDA. There's no one can see it.
So they, they kind of thought I was gay too because, you know, I

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was a single dude who had like all these bad relationships and
I'm a single guy. So, you know, they thought maybe
I was gay. And you were living with a dude
too at that moment, I think. I had a house partner.
That's it too. So how does that sound?
A house partner like, you know what?
Who gives a fuck? Yeah, I'm a porn director.
Yeah, this is what I do. Is Blake helpful?

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And I'm like, yeah. And I was thinking more like,
he's the guy that I sent out to get sandwiches for the crew, you
know, and, and the cats. That's what I was thinking.
I didn't realize they were grooming him to be a producer.
Mind you, this fuck never had any experience on a porn set or
any set except for observing me.So what happened was, yeah, he

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had this account and he literally would just send these
very round invoices in to the company and he was the one
manager and he go, Blake, listen, you can't bounce a
check. You need to know exactly how
much is going in, how much is going out.
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I got it. I got it.
And I I should have known better.

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Obviously I should have known better.
Why don't you go down with Kieran and Scott Nails and shoot
some super trooper type of introstuff that we could use to maybe
mix in and we at least get the prop guard because they were
picking it up that day. You know, 10 minutes go by, 20
minutes go by, an hour goes by. I'm like, where the fuck are
these guys? And then I hear like sirens and

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then a cargo fish like right down the street and I'm like
what the fuck? And then I hear a chopper and
I'm like, Oh my God. And then I have Scott Nails
texting me while he's in handcuffs saying you need to get
down, you're getting arrested. So welcome back on the Rumbling

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Fax Podcast, where we dive into uncomfortable truths and
challenge the narratives that we've been told and uncover
story that others are so afraid to tell.
I'm your host J Red Sam that's DJ with master upside down on
all music platforms where 192,000 strings people.
It's quite amazing. Never thought we I would get
here. So all your support is very

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appreciated. In the world of adult
entertainment, there's always a facade, a polished image shown
to the public. But what really goes on behind
the scenes of the largest industries in the world?
Today, we're peeling back the curtain to stepping into the
world a few dare to really explore besides masturbating in

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front of a fucking screen and prepare yourself for a
conversation of being bold, unapologetic, and unlike stuff
that you probably have never heard.
Today, we are honored to have a guest who isn't just a veteran
and the adult entertainment industry.
He helped shaped it. With over 20 years as a producer
and director of the world's largest adult entertainment

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company, Browsers, he's been at the epic centre of one of the
most polarizing industries on the planet.
Is also the author of the groundbreaking book that I went
through in the past few days there and my goodness filled
through the rise and the pendingdeath of Vic.
Lagina. Legina, OK, this is a no holds

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bar memoir that exposes the bizarre and often hidden truth
about the his time in their industry.
So if this is a podcast for you,take a listen people.
So welcome to the podcast, Vic, How you doing?
I'm great. Thank you for having me and
thank you for the kind words about the book.
I'm glad you consumed it. That's.

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Great. Hey, I was so thrilled and I, I,
I don't, I never wanna do it andlisten to it like 14 days ahead.
So it's really in the last threedays.
I really decked it and my goodness, there's some parts
there. I was like, OK, we need to hear
this whole part again. I did that at least 20 times.
I was like, oh man, that there was so much stuff that I never

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thought stuff like this could happen behind the scenes.
Yeah, no, I'm glad you enjoyed the audio book too, because that
was a labour of love Once the book was finished and locked and
done with my attorneys, because you understand, I, I talked a
lot of shit in this book and andI had to do it in a way that

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wouldn't get me sued that so. So once the lawyers were done,
that's when I got to recording. And I had never listened to
audiobooks before because I read, but I wanted to make this
one my own, and I think I did. I mean, I think you would agree.
So. Cause me at least halfway
through, I, I, I was curious just to see what you look like

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doing an interview. So I just wanted to check that
out. And I was like, OK, the voice
I've been hearing since the beginning, it's him.
That's what I thought too there.So I'm like, I was so thrilled.
I'm so thrilled to have you. Can you take out his back a bit
to the beginning and what led you to join the adult
entertainment industry for people that don't know and how

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you landed such a pivotal role in browsers?
Yeah, I'm going to take these things out because they're just
not working for me. I'm sure.
How did it all begin? Well, my, my, my beginnings are
pretty, pretty modest. I grew up outside of
Philadelphia in the suburbs to do to two Jewish liberals, had a
very normal childhood. You know, there wasn't any major

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dysfunction. There wasn't any kind of trauma.
But I grew up loving movies, TV,video games, and that was kind
of my passion growing up. Um, but I went to school.
I have two degrees in production, one not too far from
you at Syracuse University. I was there in the early 90s and

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I got my Bachelor of Science. And then I went down to Florida
because I was tired of freezing my butt off and.
I understand. You so so yeah, I, I went down
to Florida and I started workingin corporate and commercial
production as a production assistant.

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And then I decided to get a second useless degree in film
production. And I went to the University of
Miami for grad school on A2 yearmasters program while I was
becoming an editor, while I was becoming a producer.
And it was it was the life was great.
I mean, I was living in Florida,South Florida.

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I mean, you can understand, you know, in my early 20s, really
just having a good time, but it was, it just wasn't very
fulfilling. And when the Millennium turns, I
went down to Jamaica on a a gig for supper clubs as a producer.
And we brought a bunch of modelsdown and I hooked up with one of

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them. And things started taking off.
And she decided that she was going to go to LA and she asked
me to go. And I thought that was very
interesting because you have to take a shot in life.
You have to take a swing. Because I wanted to, I wanted to
make TV shows. I wanted to make movies.
And what happened after that was, you know, your typical
crash and burn story that happens to most people when they

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go to LA. I was overqualified for a lot of
jobs that were available. And had I humbled myself, the
story would have ended a lot differently.
You know, if I decided to take aassistant job.
Natural. Relax.
There. Right.
But I didn't, I was like, no, I'm a producer.
I shouldn't, I, I, I'm better than this, which is, I mean,

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that's, that's young ego, you know, but, but basically, you
know, my girlfriend, she was a SAG actress and she was always
on movie sets and doing things like that.
And I was, you know, hustling work here and there.
But we were we were struggling and struggling even further
because she decided about two years in that she wanted to be a

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white female rapper rapper. Right?
Now, this is early 2002, OK, Eminem was huge.
He just won the Oscar for Eight Mile and, you know, for the song
for Eight Mile, for Lose Yourself.
And so they were looking for thefeminine.
Now, the one tidbit I didn't mention was the day that I moved
in with her, she dropped the bombshell that, you know, I have

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something to tell you. I was like, OK, when I was eight
years old, my father murdered mymother, drowned her in a
bathtub. Wow.
Wow. Yeah.
And I mean, OK, so that's a red flag right there, you know?
But of course, you know, because, you know, that that
could have been told to me at any given moment before I
traveled 3000 miles across the country to live with her.

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But I was like, you know, it's not her fault.
You know, she can't, she can't be blamed for any of that.
But. But she she wound up letting
that she felt there was a certain entitlement she deserved
in life because of what she wentthrough.
And that's not really the right way of looking at things.
Hmm. But so she decided she wanted to
be a white female rapper. And I thought, OK, well, she's

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got the story for sure. She's got the looks.
Can she spit on a microphone wasthe the question.
And can she challenge all of this angst into a good song?
Because that's what really good songs are, are made of.
And I mean, she was actually competent.
She was competent. And I decided to fund her demo

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on my credit cards, in addition to all of my dreams, all my
credit card. And after a while, it just
became unsustainable. And, you know, I was looking for
work and I stumbled across this ad on adultstaffing.com where
someone was looking for a director for their, their adult
movie. And I'm thinking, OK, how hard

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can this be? Exactly.
And, and I meet up with them andhe was like, he was a young
Mexican kid named Ricardo with aspeech impediment, like a
stutter. And, you know, we, I bullshitted
them. I basically bullshit.
I was like, yeah, I could do this.
This is this is easy. And we went down to an agent's
office. Jim S.
He's no longer alive, but his office was in the Valley and it

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smelled like cigarette smoke. And he's like, sitting there
behind his desk with his smoke lit up.
And he's got Polaroids everywhere.
But of all the girls that he represents, OK, this is 2002
Polaroids, dude. Like really like, you know, how
about classic Apple bit with like a website?
But he was like, he was old school.
And we, we picked out our girls and then my first day of

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shooting was in April of 2002. And that was an interesting day
to say the least, you know? You did you tell yourself right
there that I'll, maybe I'm, I'm putting myself in a career of 20
years. I didn't really think it was
going to go that well. I never thought it was going to
go as far as it did. Let's let's, let's be real.

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This was a way to make some quick cash.
Maybe one job can lead to another, but I don't want to
make a career of it. But something happened during
that day. Not, not so much just who I shot
because Ron Jeremy was like my first day of shooting porn, you
know, which is, which is wild toreally think of.
OK, you know he's got his own story that he has to contend

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with, right? I'm sure.
But I just remember the day you just being kind of like it felt
a little sleazy. And I guess it really the the
exclamation mark came when someone within the condo that we
were shooting in in the valley started smoking crack.
And I was like, OK, yeah, that'slike, I want to go home and

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shower. That's that's really how I felt.
So I guess really that was a good starting point because that
was exactly what I didn't want to do when it came to running a
business, especially running a porn business.
But what happened that day is I met one person who then met
another person and then the jobskept going and you have this
thing starting. So it started blowing up.

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And you know, I figured out where to find the leads for
content needs for content producers.
How much does skill come into play in the world of porn music
for actor? Is it more young or more
connected? In terms of producing.
Well, in terms of growing or. Growing the business.

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OK, well, yeah. So, so we were able to hang on
in LA for a little bit, but, youknow, it just became
unsustainable. I was selling cameras.
I was selling personal items just to stay afloat.
And I told my girlfriend, I saidwe have to go back to Florida.
You have to work. I've got to work.
We've got to get ourselves in a better financial situation, and
then maybe we can come back to LA and do this again.

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Great idea on paper. But she just decided, you know,
she's gonna obsess about her nonexistent music career while
taking bong rips on her futon. Because I couldn't afford a
couch and I'm working two jobs. And, you know, when you work in
the in the corporate world as a freelancer, you work one day,
you get paid for that day, you know, maybe two months down the
road. And that's just the way it was

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working. But the leads that I was finding
in porn, you know, they would place an order and before I shot
1 frame of video, I got all the money like right off the bat.
And I remember like once the like first like 10 grand hit, I
was like, wow, I've never had somuch money in my life.
Like now I think about it, I waslike, wow, that's it's not
really, I mean it's, it's a niceamount of money, but it's not

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like all the money in the world.But what I wound up doing was
buying all the new gear with that money.
And the thing before is I never really ran camera.
But I realized that if I'm goingto do this and I'm going to make
money, I gotta wear about 3 different hats.
So I started shooting with a camera that that I owned and

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Justice became a better shooter.And the other thing I wound up
doing was editing all of my everything I shot.
You know, I was like an all in one service.
I would tell people, I'll shoot it right, I'll shoot it, I'll
edit it and I'll do everything. But truth is, you know, when you
when you when you edit your own stuff, you realize what you did
wrong when you were shooting. So it effectively makes you a

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better shooter. Now here goes going back to your
question, you know, how does it work?
Well, in the porn industry, cream rises to the top,
especially back then, apparentlypeople would take people's money
and not deliver anything. I, on the other hand, if you're
going to take money for a job, you deliver.
That's just the way it works. So they would tell me what they

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wanted. I would put it together with
whatever local talent was in South Florida, and I would
constantly deliver for people. And you know, we're just
traveled. That's how it was.
And it was about management. It was about managing things.
Since you were by one man army for a while there before you
were like, let's get a team and was it hard for you to the

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delegate to some people because it's so hard to trust people and
and those businesses. Not really.
I mean, in in the early days when I was like in Florida
shooting in the City Hotel roomsand like making next to nothing
on these videos, really it was just interacting with talent and
working through it and communicating.
So I guess if there was one big thing that was that I learned

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was communication, just being transparent, being straight up,
if you're going to book someone for this and you're going to pay
for that, I always felt it was like, let's give all the
information you need and make sure everyone is on the same
page and they agree because we do have a job to do.
And that line of thinking reallyserved me well throughout my
entire career because people realize that I didn't fuck

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around like this is this is whatwe're going to do.
And if you just follow my lead, I'm going to be sure that you're
going to get home as early as possible.
That's all I wanted to do is getfrom as well to my dogs.
To your dogs. Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, the the reality was is
that I had this booming businessin my hands.
And, you know, the relationship obviously didn't work out.

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I became such a bastard to live with because I felt I was living
with a Leech and I was drunk andI was drowning.
And she was just sitting on my shoulders pushing me down like,
you know, just just not helping out at all.
And I just became unbearable to live with.
And I think in the first year and a half, we moved back to
Florida. I was in $29,000 of debt in that

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time. In that time, I only knocked it
down to about 26. And here's the thing that that
was interesting that happened. This was 2004, about to be 2005.
And I remember that New Year's because I was playing Xbox and I
was drinking like $3 Chuck, likecheap wine.
And I remember hearing the fireworks going off and I

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realized, man, this, I need to like make this year accounts.
And I was like, I set up a plan the next day, like, we have
$26,000 in debt, let's knock it out in a year.
And I learned how to do that by just making a goal.
Every month, 5 grands, we do 5 grand, we'll be out of debt by
the end of the year. And something interesting
happened because my ex was gone and all of her bad energy was

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gone. The light at the end of the
tunnel was no longer a train. It was literally like salvation
was there. And around that time, you know,
I started having more of a relationship with the guys who
eventually become Brazzers and they were ready to level up from
October 10 months into this whole journey, I was out of

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debt. And they said to me, you know,
we like what you do. We want to give you more work,
but we need you to tap into the LA talent market because South
Florida is not really working for us because the, the, the
talent down there was, was pretty amateurish thinking.
OK, well, I don't want to live in LA again because it's

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expensive as hell, it's crowded,it's a lot of bad energy.
But if I, but if I go to Vegas, there's no state income taxes, I
can get a huge sprawling house and I could, I could make it
work. And they were good on their word
and they kept me very busy. But I hit the ground running
when I got here. God damn right.

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What was the culture behind the scenes in in that company and
was it as wild as people could imagine like behind the scenes?
No, actually these guys were were pretty cool.
They were, they were younger than me, you know, names.
I didn't have any faces to the names that were on the instant
messenger I was dealing with until I really got to Vegas

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where they sent down some people.
And these people they sent down were younger than me.
They were like 4, like 5-6, seven years younger than me.
They were my new bosses. But these guys were like, like
frat Bros and stuff from Concordia University in, in
Montreal. Yeah, Yeah.
And, and they knew how to marketporn on the Internet.

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So they sent down a couple of guys.
We went out, we bought a bunch of colourful couches.
We bought a doctor's table. We bought all of these, like,
ridiculous colourful fabrics to put on walls and everything.
And, you know, in the very beginning, like I'd say the
first month I was here, I was doing everything, picking up the

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girls at the airport shooting, you know, we were telling them,
you know, just do your own makeup.
You know, it was really quick and dirty at that time.
But these guys were just like young, ambitious little like
frat Bros and and, and generallylike fun guys to be around.
But but it wasn't wild. I wouldn't call it wild because

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it was I maintained. A professional.
Professional. Yeah.
It had to be professional, like when a girl.
I guess really what it came downto was what I had to start
tapping into the LA talent. I had to start making
relationships with the agents. And I'm a new guy in Vegas.
They're like, who the fuck is? Yeah, Vic Lagina or whatever

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they wanted to say. Yeah.
But I, I was able to get talent out.
And the thing that was great waswe would shoot 2 scenes in a
day. I would shoot 2 scenes in a day.
So these girls are flying into Vegas, they're shooting 2
scenes, they're making double their money and they're back
home in less time. It would take them to do one
shoot in Los Angeles. So word started traveling quick.

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Like there's a dude. And fucking around.
Right. He's good, you'll make double
your money. He's cool.
He doesn't hit on you. He doesn't do any of that stuff.
And just that alone, like got itto the point where it was, you
know, elevating, had to put the work in.
I mean, I was shooting, I guess 88 shoots a week.
You know, Monday was a prep day.Tuesday through Friday we're

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shoot days. Friday night I'm soaking in my
bathtub, you know, just just like getting the pain out, you
know, because shooting, shootingwas rough.
But that's really from those early, those 40 years and those
early Vegas years. That's when I really got good at
the job and I really started finding my footing in the fucked
up business that is the important industry.

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Guy at the beginning of your story read that you that you
trusted and it's like me when the guy was like, Oh no, he
didn't want to sign the papers to let's say something happened.
He he has that too when he didn't want to sign it.
Oh, man, it made me think like aa girl that's gonna get married
and then the guys like, oh, we're gonna sign a prenup and

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then she's all pissed. Well, thankfully, don't you
think this is a love story is gonna work?
Don't you think this business isgonna work?
Right there, you're right, you're right.
Because like here's the reality,I could not afford the house.
I'm still in the house that I bought back then.
This was 2006 and this is when they were giving mortgages away
for people that were completely unqualified financially to take

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them. So I took on this partner and he
was also a content producer. He had his own website, but he
was kind of, he showed his colours early that he was kind
of a dark dude. But literally I'm pulling up
stakes leaving South Florida to come to Vegas.
And I'm like, yeah, dude, we're doing this whole thing together.

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My name is solely on the mortgage, but we're both like Co
owners of this. We need to put a a paper in the
document in document form. Yeah, logically.
And he was like, when did I become the guy that was going to
fuck you over? And that's a huge red flag.
Like, shit. Yeah, exactly.
Like, here's the makings of a disaster.

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Absolutely. But I just had this gut feeling
this this tickling in my plums that was like, you know what?
Something about this feels right.
We will at the end of the day. And this is what I always would
say is, dude, just bet on yourself.
You will get through it. If there's anything that you
proved when you're in debt, you got through that.

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If you get into this US and it doesn't work out, you'll figure
out a way to get through it. But once the partnership started
fracturing within a couple months and I wound up buying him
out, that's when it's real OK. That's when it's like, OK,
you're you're on the hamster wheel of porn.
You really are. So yeah, that that was, it was,

(29:39):
it was great because it was booming.
I mean, these guys, you know, atfirst we could only afford, you
know, $200 a scene male talent. And you get what you pay for,
you know, smaller Dicks that can't stay hard.
So, you know, you're sitting andwaiting.
Sometimes you're sitting in the corner holding your camera while
he's in the corner and he's he'sbeating his meat.

(30:00):
And you're trying to figure out,OK, where did I go wrong in
life, like, really to get here? But, you know, those were, like,
the fun. That was the fun times.
It really was. And then they decided, you know,
we're gonna compete with NaughtyAmerica.
We're gonna do, you know, their whole thing of naughty office.
But we're gonna do it better. And what are we going to

(30:20):
incorporate it with? Big titties.
And so, you know, those big titsat work was born.
And. Yeah.
And. And once those first ten scenes
launched, that's when it was like, OK, what do you need?
And the first answer was we needbetter Dicks.
And you know, I was able to start throwing money at the male

(30:42):
talent, which goes to show you male talent is one of the most
important things when you have high quality porn shoot and
dollars on the line. That goes with my next question.
Like is being a male talent evenharder than most people would
think? Like like I'm sure I asked that
if my friend bro I can fuck hot bitches all day.
Like bro bro you don't even knowthat you never try to stay hard

(31:06):
with with like 6-7 dudes around you with cameras.
OK OK. Are you getting it?
You never lived that shit. That's what really accentuates
that is the epilogue of the book.
I mean, this was the the the whole competition of trying to
find the next Brazzers male pornstar.
And if if it really shows how hard it is, just read that whole

(31:28):
chapter and you'll really get anidea of how hard it is.
Chapter that you talk about. One.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The epilogue.
Man, what I did there, I'm sure nobody did this.
I went to get the video, the real video at the same time.
So I was letting you go and I stopped you and I listened to I

(31:48):
was watching what you were talking about and right when I
saw I was too far stop where youlisten to you the whole time.
So I was really seeing the, the,the whole thing that you were
talking about and my goodness that you got good memory for,
for details and everything goes crazy.
Well, I still have all the footage, so I did watch it
again. And yeah, but but I'll tell you,
I was thrust back. It was like going into a time

(32:10):
machine. All that exact moment and all
the memories came back and all the crazy shit that was going
down during all of those shoots.You realize, OK, this was crazy.
This was this was people management, but not in your
normal kind of way. So to answer your question,
being a male talent, one of the hardest jobs in there in the
industry, you know, you know, a performer, a female performer,

(32:34):
you know, a little bit of Lube, little bit of spit, they're
fine, you know, But a guy, guys gotta be like this, especially
if they're coming to work for meand they're going to come work
for browsers. Yeah, I saw what Angelina was
doing. Oh my God, just berating them
the whole time, like about theirtheir pews, that he wasn't hard
enough and stuff like that. Man, I, I in my head, I was

(32:56):
like, let's say it would be like90% hard right there.
And since I'm not at my 100 and she would start telling me this
shit right in front of me and acting like a like a bitch a a
bit. Man me too.
I would have trouble getting to my 100%, but I think that that
was the goal at the the blowjob thingy was really to put them
insecure and uncomfortable and see if he could still do it.

(33:20):
Yeah, yeah, because you, you have no idea what the what
environment you're going to be in when you're shooting, what
the temperature is going to be, whether or not the girl is going
to be warm and and welcoming or cold and just there to to do her
job. And either way, you have to
figure it out if you're going tocall yourself a male porn star.

(33:42):
Hmm. Every girl was putting in the
face of every guy that was therethat was talking so much shit
before there. God, these girls were chapped.
Yeah. It was so incredible.
And I I understand why you trustthat, Julianne to really have
control of this chaos, controlled chaos.

(34:05):
I would I would call it there for the the whole show.
I I really took the time to listen and watch the the the
production and not only the penis entering there.
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that wassecondary.
Honestly, the shit show that wasthat show was really the
spectacle. Like I said, I sat there
watching like like I had so manyoptions on the screen to to

(34:26):
choose and I'm like, I don't even know what the show let's go
split screen because it's just so good.
And the way it was set up, you know, most of the dudes didn't
even get out of that front room,you know, to to move on to the
next level and then the next level after that.
And, you know, girls are beautiful there.
I was like, OK, damn. The pressure that they're
putting in that first room thereis to really scat out the the

(34:48):
the not good guys. There.
Yeah, yeah. And and and and.
O did we, you know. Yeah God damn, and the guy
arrives with some food on his tank top is like what the fuck
bro, you're supposed to be at your cleanest.
It was like I, I, I, I don't know, it was it, it was, it was
so crazy. Like I really had to go back to

(35:09):
that one cause I looked back at the craziest shit I did and I've
seen some crazy shit and I was involved in some crazy shoots.
But that one takes the keg that does that.
That had its own chapter unto itself.
You describe your life a bit andindustry as bizarre.
Can you share a story from that time that catch that captures
the essence of that experience? Well, I mean, what kind of job

(35:33):
do you go in every day where you're literally sitting
straight face and talking? It's like, OK, so first thing I
want you to do is I want you to suck his Dick.
And I want it to be like a really strong blowjob.
Perhaps we're going to hang yourhead over a little bit.
You're having these conversations and they're like,
yeah, OK. Any other job, you're like, yo,
I'm going to go talk to HR. You can't talk to me like that.

(35:54):
But that's how it was. You were just very direct.
And I really, I would say that was probably the most awkward
and is our thing because anyone who would listen to a typical
conversation that you would haveon set would just be like, like,
I can't believe I'm actually hearing this, but but that was
normal. And that's what I normalized

(36:14):
every day for a good 1617 years.That was my life.
So, so you know, the, the amountof things that I normalized,
That's why it was really bizarre.
I'd also say to relationships orany kind of relationships with
in the industry, Hmm, yeah, those are the ones that are

(36:37):
you're like, yeah, this is this is not normal.
This is not like a normal energythat you would have with with
anything else. Yeah, and I went to see your
Twitter and like the old post there and 2020 is probably where
some of the last times maybe where you were producing and you
showed just the the notes of today.

(36:58):
And there was the girl and you wrote like this, the notes that
we gotta deal with. So she don't forget her, her
lies. Oh my goodness.
Or what to do. And it was like a blowjob, like
get on the desk. Yeah, because, because sometimes
the life, sometimes, you know, you would have the performer
that's like reading the script and they're really getting it

(37:18):
down and they're rehearsing and they want to do a good job.
And you have other ones that don't give a fuck about the
script. And all they're doing is on
their phone and they can't remember shit because they're
all about themselves. So yeah, the dry erase board,
holding it up with the PA, that was what we had to do with some
girls. And at that point it was
automatic for me. I knew who was going to be

(37:40):
responsible and who's going to need a lot of help to get
through it. Yeah.
What percentage of talents really do anal because they show
on TV like it? It's probably all of them, but
obviously that's not the case there.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I've been, let's call it, call it
50%, you know, at least when I was in it and, you know, it was

(38:04):
very rare to see someone go straight to anal off the bat.
You know, if if there was a girlwho was, who was really, really
pretty and, and you know, they're willing to have sex on
camera, a lot of times it would start as girl girl and then
eventually they would put out the offer.
Hey, I'm thinking about doing myfirst boy girl.

(38:24):
And then they would get a lot ofoffers, like money offers.
And it was very smart for them to do it that way.
But you know, you do boy girl and then maybe you do boy, boy,
girl. And then, you know, when things
are starting to get a little slow, maybe I'm going to do
anal. But the thing was is that I
really didn't like shooting girls who didn't actually enjoy

(38:46):
anal. Because when you have someone
who doesn't want to do it and they're just doing it for the
paycheck, it's it's not an easy day by every change.
Yeah, Yeah, Like the. Passions not gonna show on on
television. Right, right.
Or even that scene that wasn't released in the book, in the
chapter in the book, the scene that they deemed noncompliant

(39:07):
with Angelina Valentine, right. She didn't like doing anal, yet
here she was doing a DP and she's, you know, a little bit of
mentally unbalanced. I think you should say it's at
certain point. So, yeah, that was the that was
porn at its worst, when you had the good, the bad and the ugly,

(39:27):
just socking it out and trying to see, you know, do you have a
viable product at the end of it.What inspired you to be like,
OK, I'm gonna finally write thisbook and what was that difficult
about it? So the entire process was 8 1/2
years. It started when I want to say it

(39:48):
was in 2015. And at that point I had been,
you know, in Vegas about nine years.
And I really felt that I needed to put all of these memories,
all of these thoughts, all of these processes into a tangible
form. So what I wound up doing was
writing everything up until thatpoint.

(40:10):
So from birth until March of 2015, I wrote every day.
And then about a month I had, you know, just just a start.
And then, you know, I'm figuring, OK, maybe I'll try to
do something with this. But the truth was my story was
not over yet. So what would wind up happening
was every time we would shoot, we would shut down because there

(40:33):
was either, you know, maybe the syphilis outbreak or if there
was an HIV positive test and we had to shut down.
I would then go back to the manuscript and update, you know,
and I would add more and more and more.
And that kept happening until COVID when we had the really,

(40:54):
really big long shut shutdown. But that's when I was done with
Brazzers and my story was wrapping up and so was theirs
really. So All in all, the whole writing
process of like the journey of writing that took 7 1/2 years,

(41:15):
with the last year of it being getting it, getting it as tight
as possible. So it's a good read so that
someone who's gonna go through it, they're not gonna be bored
by any of it. And yeah, that's why it was an 8
1/2 year process that because I wanted to, I wanted a good
product. Well, I'm telling you, I
couldn't get bored. I had trouble going to sleep
last night. I was like, how much do I leave

(41:37):
for this morning to finish it? And I couldn't leave much.
I was like, there was an hour and a half left this morning.
I was like, OK, let's go throughit.
Yeah. You had somebody stories like in
in that book that I could relateto.
There might. And it's like I've been through
a lot of shit too. And there's this part that
you're talking about the you your two dudes were naked porn

(42:00):
star that's going crazy. I like and she she's at your
place and you're like in the story you're like, oh damn, this
is where a great stories come from, like rape stories, but as
the God damn it, we're in a bad situation, like 2 guys with a
naked porn star. This is not a good.
Yeah, yeah. So, So what happened was this

(42:21):
performer was out in Vegas for two days and she was a little
bit of a handful, but we got done three.
I think we got actually, you know, we, we actually didn't get
one shoot done because the male talent was failing.
So on the last shoot, it was a boy girl anal with one of those
$200, you know, a scene mopes. That's not really the strongest

(42:43):
of performers. And you know, it was back then,
it was all just baby oil, tits, ass, baby oil and doing all
that. Well, what wound up happening
was I start shooting the video and her covering herself in oil.
And then she kind of puts herself up against like the
wall, which you see that big painting back there?

(43:04):
That's the wall. OK.
And she she goes up against thatwall and then starts giggling
and then starts sliding down thewall like really slow.
And I'm looking at Mount talent.He's looking at me and we're
like, what the fuck? Like, what is going on here?
And then she's like on the ground, like cut.
I'm like, dude, like what is going on?
And he was in the military, so he's like, alright.

(43:26):
So he picked her up, took her right to the shower.
And right away, I'm not watchingany of this, but I hear her when
the water hits her, she like, ah, like she like makes a noise.
And then later he tells me she was like, like licking up the
water like like a dog. And then, you know, took her out
and then wound up laying her on the the floor of the bathroom,

(43:48):
putting a towel over her. And I'm looking at him.
And at that point, you know, my makeup artist had gone.
So I call her up right away. I'm like, Jody, you need to come
back here because this we, we have passed out Puba on the
floor right now. And so she's.
Like good. Yeah, I'm like come back because
as you said, 22 dudes with a passed out porn chick.

(44:12):
That's not that's not a good look.
And so the other phone call I made was to her agent.
And I go, your talent just passed out at my house.
What do you want me to do? And he's like, is she breathing?
And I go, yeah, is she turning blue?
I go no, OK, alright, well keep an eye on her.

(44:32):
I'm sure you don't want a paramedic and an ambulance
coming to your house. And I'm thinking, you know, my
neighbors already were suspects,like totally suspecting me of of
all sorts of shit. The last thing they need to see
is a oiled up porn chick being wheeled on a Gurney into the
back of a of an ambulance. So I was like, you know what,
you're absolutely right. I don't want to have an

(44:53):
ambulance here. So I will keep an eye on it.
He's like, OK, keep me posted. Like so like nonchalant about
it, like he's not worried that one of his talent is passed out
because she overdosed on something.
We all deduced that it was GHB she took and she just took too
much of it and she went into AG hole.
And after that I enacted a very strict drug and alcohol policy

(45:16):
that for the, for the most part,people adhered to.
But you know, I, I just had to lay down the law like none of
this shit because I'm not dealing with this again.
And I had a starting point that she's doing like fucked up
stuff. You and your friend are are are
like in another room looking at her like what the fuck is going
on? No, no, I wound up ordering

(45:36):
dinner for my makeup artist for the Melts talent.
And we just were keeping an eye on her.
We would check in on her, still sleeping, still has the blanket
over her. And then eventually I'm like,
OK, we've got to get this bitch out of here.
And Jody goes up to he's like, honey, if you get up now, you
won't miss your flight. And like a kid who is about to,

(45:57):
you know, like miss the school bus, she pops up and she gets
her stuff and she, you know, Jodie wheels her greasy ass to
the airport and off she goes andbecomes SW problem after that.
Like Mia, at a certain point, I had a, a girl come over at my
place and I was living with one of my friends and she, she, I, I

(46:21):
started playing my friend leavesand she's like, oh, I take care.
We could go in your room. I'm like sure.
So we go in my room, we have sexand when we hear my colleague
arrived, we go back in the living room.
So I start, we smoking oil and in a bottle and she's like, I
can I have a puff. I'm like, sure.
It was the last time you smoked like four years ago.

(46:42):
I like God damn. So I, I do hear the, the
smallest puff ever. Listen, so there was like this
much smoke in the bottle and shetakes it.
She started coughing and everything and she was talking
the whole time before and now there I'm telling you silence,
their silence and we're sitting on the same couch, me and her.
It's a one spot a person, but we're so we're stuck one side or

(47:03):
another and Mike colex right beside me and I'm telling you
there. She's scared me to death there.
I don't know where she yells like somebody's abusing her and
at the same time that she startsyelling, she grabs my leg at the
same time, but it scared me to hell.
I jumped up and backed up and she was like, why are you, why

(47:23):
are you doing this to me? And I'm like, careful, you're
gonna drop your phones like my phone.
And she smashed on the grass. I don't give her shit.
And I was like, man, my friend like took his sink toke off.
We're we're in the kitchen looking at this shit.
And I swear to God, OK, she's walking back and forth left and
right and doing like a fake trombone like, and we could not

(47:46):
believe this shit. And after like 30 minutes of
this fucked up shit, there she goes to the bathroom.
Restore point comes out and acting like a child like
literally fucked up and now it'slike 1130 made me midnight and
his girlfriend and my fuck friend are gonna come back from
the bar and we're like all the God damn man.

(48:06):
This does not look good. We look like we abuse the girl
cause literally she she came andtalk her now she talks like a an
infant. It's so fucked up.
So we're like, oh man, sorry, I saw your point when she was
passing out on the on the couch were like, man, let's put her in
her car and bring her somewhere safe and just leave the car.
Like like we aren't dealing withthis anymore.

(48:28):
And that's what we did. So we dropped her off like 500
feet from my place, but at leastshe wasn't at our place.
And then our our girls arrived and like nothing happened.
And the next day what we forgot she forgot her phone at my
place. So it's 8 something am bang,
bang out the door. I opened the door.
She she's like I forgot my phone.
So she just comes in, picks up the phone and and leaves and

(48:51):
everybody just watches her. And then there are the 2 girls.
Like who the fuck is that? We're like, OK, let's say this
story, calm down. Yeah, don't you hate it?
When making me think so much of your story, my God.
Yeah, don't you hate it when people can't hold their shit?
You know, God damn it. Like, handle your shit, man, and
we won't have a problem. But yeah, that.

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Never seen somebody scream like to death like that and nothing
was happening. Like nothing, man.
I was looking at her like I never knew this person.
I knew her for 15 years and right then and there, no.
Yep, Yep. What does the pending death in
your book title mean? Like a lot of people would have
put that, is that about the industry as a whole or more of

(49:34):
your personal? Well, I think there's a there's,
it's layered. The truth is we're all pending
death. Let's let's be real about that.
So that's part of it. But here's reality.
Vic Lagina is he was created. He's he's a creation to shoot
porn. You know, I conjured them up out
of thin air and he was the one who was running the show.

(49:57):
And did you find that name? It wasn't that long.
And, and my buddy that the senator, he helped me out with
that he's the senator is very gifted about coming up with
creative things that have no usein any facet of life.
So I made the one thing work that that he came up with.
But for me, in the early part ofmy career, I thought that the

(50:23):
porn industry was run by the Mafia.
So I felt like I needed an Italian name, you know, so, so
people wouldn't fuck with me. But you know, it was not enough.
So he's like, yeah, you should, you should have your last name
should be Regina. And I'm like, yeah, that's it
was like the Boogie Nights moment, you know, where Dirk
Dickler lights up and it's like this big league was like Vick

(50:45):
Legina. I'm like, perfect.
Because to me, porn is is one ofthose areas that you should not
take seriously at all. So I felt my name had to reflect
that. And the best was when people
really didn't get the joke that,you know, they're saying,
they're saying Lagina, Lagina, you know, they're not putting it
together. And so many people over the

(51:06):
years would be like, dude, I just got your name.
I'm like, fuck, it took you longenough, man.
What's going on with you? I think it's because they know
how it's gonna sound. That was for me.
I I think they know how it's gonna sound before they say it.
So before they said that, like that can't be right.
No, they try to find a way to say it.
Yeah, and I like watching peoplestruggle with it.

(51:28):
I'm like, no, no, no, say it, right.
Like I go on Jasmine Saint Claire's podcast all the time
and she's saying Georgina all the time.
I'm like ah Jasmine you're getting it wrong but it's OK.
So what were you realizing at about getting dates there?
That most of the girls like thatweren't in porn weren't going to
take you seriously and the girlsin porn like you couldn't really

(51:51):
take them seriously. So you were seeing like even
with the money and everything you can acquire them but really
have one to stay man it. Was even.
More complicated. So the reality was is that when
I first out to Vegas, you know, of course there's, there's gonna
be hookups here and there and, you know, they can be fun and
everything else. But you're there wasn't.

(52:13):
I didn't really find a lot in common with people within the
industry. And so I would try to date in
the traditional ways. Go on match.com.
And what would find is that while people were intrigued
about my job and they were curious, they treated me more
like I was a novelty. And they realized, yeah, I don't

(52:33):
know if I'd be able to handle it, which is totally fair.
Even though I wasn't a performer.
Being around women who have sex all day, it's not gonna sit
right with a woman with a good head on her shoulders.
I mean, let's be real. So because, you know, I wanted a
companion, that is when you start making concessions and
when you start making concessions in a relationship,

(52:56):
that's when things go very, verybad.
And so that's when I, you know, got engaged to a performer who
was, I'm not going to call her aperformer.
It was a, it was a, a very damaged woman who entered porn
at 19 years old and was in it for six weeks.

(53:17):
And we hit it off when I was shooting her in Florida.
And I decided it was a great idea to have her come out and
live with me in Vegas. And that was the one where that
was the one relationship that you compare and it, it molds and
shapes your future relationships.
Everything bad, everything toxic.

(53:38):
I mean, I was the king of toxic relationships.
You know, I, I start with, you know, the, the, the cokehead
surgeon from Florida, she was the first one that was the year
and that was not a healthy relationship.
A lot of yelling and a lot of fighting.
And then I trade her in for the white female rapper.
And that's a four and a four year relationship that is not

(54:01):
good at all. And so I was single for a while
and just kind of being, you know, a little bit of a player
in the industry. And then I was like, you know, I
guess if I'm going to be taking on this life, there are
concessions that I need to make.And so I was in that line of
thinking. And I, you know, that scene in
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, he chose poorly.

(54:25):
Yeah. That that was me.
And so I was, I was engaged to this horrible beast of a woman
for two. Well, I was with her for 2 1/2
years. But it was a long engagement
deliberately because I knew there was no chance in hell this
was going to work. And I was right.
And once that ended, that was when I was like, I'm not going

(54:48):
to be dealing with high level oftoxicity in my relationships
ever again. And I stuck with it.
I'm not going to tell you the relationship after that.
She was a performer and then shewas a stripper.
That was compared to the other ones.
That was a good relationship, but it was it was unhealthy for
both of us for a lot of reasons.But that was when you start

(55:09):
going into Part 2 of the book when darkness watched over the
dude. And that's where you know things
that the business, everything started to really affect me in a
negative way. For somebody that had a a lot of
women and what is a perfect pussy you think?
I mean, one that, you know, doesn't feel like a hot dog

(55:31):
getting thrown down a hallway, you know, you know something,
it's, it's, it's not so much that it's just how does it feel?
How does it look? How does the chemistry, most
importantly, how's the hygiene? You know, if, if you could tell
that there was one topic I was passionate about was, you know,
hygiene because. Very important.

(55:51):
Yeah, but a lot of it escaped a lot of women in the porn
industry. A lot of them in in real life
too. I realize a lot that a lot of
girls are when I I tell them, and this is how you tell a girl
that her pussy stinks her. I'm like, oh, did you know that?
Did you ever check your pH levels?
Like, no, what is that? I'm like, well, your pH levels

(56:14):
and then you describe that and you're, you're like, that's why,
yeah, you taste a bit just stronger than others.
And like that I, I take it passes quite well.
Every girl I said it to it it itwent well.
But the girls on the one night know for sure you can't tell
them. You just put your head down and
deal with it. Yeah, you, you, You smell the
hair, you smell your pillow. You smell anything that you

(56:35):
possibly can to get through it. But you know what?
You should write a book I think about.
You know how to tell a woman herpussy smells tactfully?
So there was one girl that you said in the story that it stinks
so much that the whole studio like started smelling like to
the higher. I can't even imagine how the

(56:56):
people that worked that day likewent through that.
And I mean, I felt bad for Jordythe the male talent because she
was sitting on his face. And the other costar, I mean,
she literally texted me the day later.
She's like when I opened up my suitcase, I could still smell
her. And we would walk into the sound

(57:17):
stage and it was not a small room.
It was very, very big. And you're like, well, like,
what is wrong with you? You turbo hooker?
Like, don't you know that that'snot supposed to smell that way?
Like how do you not smell that? That's what I tell myself every
time I'm like I I don't even understand when she's getting

(57:37):
dressed. That person like your your the
the smell goes up like I don't get they don't smell it
themselves. Like you said in the book,
they're like what? They have a antibiotics to not
smell that shit. What?
Yeah, like, like immunity to it.You know, it's actually kind of
funny. The other day I had my septic
tank pumped and I was talking tothe guys.
I'm like, so like, do you get used to the smell?

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They're like, yeah, we don't we.I don't even smell it anymore.
I'm assuming it's the same way with a woman who has a septic
tank between her legs. Yeah.
I think that you have a great point right there.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Why do you feel like you're best
when you're you're what, you're back?
It is against the wall and you have a deadline there.

(58:23):
Well, I, I look at it like this,you know, the, when the housing
market in Vegas dropped significantly and the house that
I paid a lot of money for was underwater.
You kind of really need to work and be at your best in order to
stay afloat and to survive. So when the, when the heat is
up, that's when you have to perform.

(58:44):
I mean, all these live shows that we did over, you know, all
those years of 5-6 year period, I must have shot 50 live shows
that were full on gangbang orgies and chaos and starting at
a certain time and ending at a certain time.
It's chaos. It's a chaos manager.
You mean your feet are in the fire, so you better be able to

(59:07):
dance in order to get through it.
So yeah, that was really it. It was, it was, it was basically
sink or swim. So.
I find it incredible in the bookthat we really hear like how
you, you do a whole day, like almost there with all the
details of what you need to tellthe people and everything.
It really makes us understand that it's not just, uh, you're

(59:28):
sitting on a bench outside. It's not, it's not only that
there, there's so much that comes into play.
So I can't even imagine when it's live too.
At the same time, it's even crank to the highest degree.
I mean, think about it, alive, double penetration live.
I mean, a lot can go wrong when you're dealing with the anus.
I mean, let's be real. So you have to know how to shoot

(59:51):
it and no one to cut away. So you're not seeing a girl shit
over all over someone's Dick because you don't want them to
look bad. So they need to trust you that
you're not going to make them look bad.
And so you're kind of shooting, you know, with their face while
you're looking to see if there'sany, you know, chili dog action
going. But you know that that was that

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was really managing all that stuff.
And I don't know, that was what I was good at.
I think about it now. There's no way in hell, like I
look at myself like, how the fuck did you do this for so
long? And we're so efficient at doing
it. And I mean, I know it was money
and you know, I'm sure cocaine had a big part of it because I
was a very good worker when I was when I was jacked up on

(01:00:37):
coke. But the truth is you, you, you
figure it out if you, if you're a good producer.
You've been sober for how long now?
Well, sober is a relative term. I've been off cocaine for for
years now. That's what I meant.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I'm not, I'm not gonna tell you
that. If a buddy of mine who I know
has tested stuff like he, like the guy who's who I deal with

(01:01:02):
sometimes, he's got a spectrometer that he analyzes
the cocaine he gets from the cartel.
OK. And it has analysis of it.
So, so guaranteed no fentanyl. And even then, so, so if I see
him awarded him music, he gives me a bomb.
I'm like, I'll absolutely do that.
But where I was, no, man, it's been, it's been literally, I've
been, I guess close to five years since I've been really,

(01:01:25):
you know, using or abusing it, Ishould say.
Me, it's been 10 years. I I was on a free base for, for
two years straight there every day, like 1000 bucks a day.
It was a fucking wow. Because yeah, because we became
rich and poor in two years there.
We we gained two $256,000 and wejust drained it to the bottom of

(01:01:49):
it was fucking incredible. And when he left, I had like
40,000 left and for me, I felt like he was betraying me,
leaving me in my own addiction. And when you think I would have
slowed down, No, I cranked it tothe highest degree.
I would just wanted to evade my problems and somebody came and

(01:02:10):
got me and didn't take no for ananswer.
Like all you're moving out of myplace.
And if it wouldn't be for him, Idon't know where I'd be.
That's why I did a song that's called a Freebase Freebase
Symphony, and it really explainsmy all addiction to story and
how much of the the I I call it a ghost train this addiction
because you can't control it. It's just fucking pulling you

(01:02:31):
and you just see lights going and you're just trying to grab
something. Yeah, yeah.
The, the dreaded cocaine train. I mean, I, I knew it well, like
for me, I never did the freebasing.
It was just snorting up my nose.But what happens is, you know,
eventually your nose won't allowanymore.
And so you've got to stop because your, your your nose is
bleeding, it's jacked. So you stop and then you're

(01:02:52):
like, I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK. And then maybe like the
three-week mark, you're like, I could use a little bag here and
then and then you buy it. Then like that bag leads to
another bag and another bag. But the truth was, I mean, OK,
yeah, it's fuel for work. No doubt.
You could be very productive when you're when you've got a
long shoot day by blowing rails.There's no doubt about it.

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But the truth was, is there was something much deeper going on
there. Not so much with me, but more of
the surroundings around me. That was the porn industry.
Because then I really understoodit when I wrote the book and I
talked about the people who diedand how they died and reading
their obituaries and realizing and how much pain they were in.

(01:03:34):
And, you know, I was absorbing alot of that pain.
I know I was because, you know, you, you're around it all the
time. You you're, you're definitely
going to get affected by it. So for me, you know, you do some
cocaine, you don't feel it anymore.
You're numb. So that's really where it all
came from. But I did find that when I
started writing the book and I was like recapping the shit show

(01:03:58):
that was like the last, you know, 12 years of my life.
That's when I realized, OK, dude, I think you need to start
making some better life choices.You need to start slowing your
roll a little bit because, you know, a lot of porn stories
don't have a happy ending. And I didn't want to be one of
those guys. And I didn't want to.

(01:04:19):
I didn't want to end up that way.
I really didn't. It was, it was one of those
deals where if COVID didn't happen and I and I continued in
the, in the industry, I don't know if I would still be here
because, you know, you get one bad batch of coke and it's over.
Absolutely. And a lot of people you weren't

(01:04:40):
there, but a lot of people are on oxycodone, Xanax and
Percocets like Juice World died because of this shit.
A little peep, Mac Miller, they these big, big celebrities that
could get help because they got the money for it.
But no, that addiction is so strong and they so want to get
rid of their trauma. It's unimaginable.

(01:05:00):
I really appreciate it and your book that you took the time to
really talk about the stories ofthese people that passed away.
And I was shocked by the age of most of them.
Like, my goodness, Like how manypeople do you think are around
you like that you met or spent some time with that passed away
like before their 50s? Like, there's probably so many.

(01:05:23):
It was it was all of them that Iwrote in the book.
I think there was like 8 or 9 that I wrote in the book.
But, but, but I mean, even then,even earlier this year, Kagney
Lynn Carter, you know, she put ashotgun in her mouth and she
ended it. You know, that was, she was
what, 35 I think was what it was.
And yeah, there's, there's the problem with the porn industry
now is they seem to have a particular chain of events that

(01:05:47):
happen when someone dies. There's an AVN press release and
XBIZ press release and they get quotes from people who knew them
and they talk about how wonderful that person was and
all these great memories they have.
And they make the article about them and about, oh, I remember
this or I remember that. But what they're not talking

(01:06:09):
about is the pain that these people are in and, and worrying
about the support that people need once they leave the porn
industry or, or if they're not as successful in the porn
industry or if they're just getting older and they're aging
out. And I, I put people on blast for
that because to be honest, I, I think that's a real shitty way

(01:06:32):
of, of talking about someone when you're just talking about
all these fake glowy bullshit aspects of it.
I mean, no, like, for me, the most controversial thing in my
book is I was talking very honestly about people who are
dead. And some people can think that
as being disrespectful. But I thought, no, no, that's
actually the human element of it.
Unfiltered. You're not, you're not, you're

(01:06:54):
not making a puff piece out of it.
So I, I hope they, they get their shit together in the porn
industry, but I don't know. I don't.
I don't have a lot of faith. A lot of people like when, when
they wanted to take their life or erase themselves, it's like
they, they just want to stop paying.
Like Mike cousin 3 weeks ago andhe shot from underneath here.

(01:07:15):
And when you think that that would take anybody out.
And when my cousin told me this story, I'm like, so he's dead.
He's like, no, no, he survived. I'm like, how the fuck did he
survive? He's like, well, you know, they
say in movies, don't put the gunin a humid place.
Well the gun was in the humid place for years and years and
years so when he used it insteadof doing the big pal that gun

(01:07:36):
would do after the bullet hit something while it just did the
like a hit. Like like if he got hit in the
face with a fucking about baseball.
So it passed through here, exploded his tongue and it
didn't go through after the noseso it stopped somewhere here
inside inside his head. He got operated 2 weeks and a
half later. He's a living out with some

(01:07:58):
friends now and he was in debt. We didn't even know it wasn't at
his old apartment rents due and stuff.
He left everything there like 8 guitars full of Xbox like all
his life he just left it behind not give a fuck because he was
in addiction and depression and all that combined.
And one of my cousin told me this.
I'm like man imagine this dude now our cousin there he's like

(01:08:20):
he's in the worst spot than he was before like what the fuck.
So now he has trouble talking toher and everything.
It's so sad, like a lot of people are going through drama
and don't go seek out help or goseek out medical.
We need to do that. Yeah, no doubt.
I mean, I can't imagine getting to the point of of wanting to
end it because I really enjoy life.

(01:08:42):
I love waking up everyday. I love waking up every day.
I love wondering what's going tohappen next.
So I I treat everything every day is going to be my last day
so I can make the IT it be the best day possible.
That's really it. So I really feel for people who
who feel that is the only optionfor them.
And like you said in your book, it's really at the support

(01:09:04):
system because I, I, if you havea support system, like somebody
is going to convince you to talkabout it.
Somebody is going to be there for you.
It's like a, but what I saw withJuice World, because I really
looked into him. It's like everybody around him
knew that this train was going to go down.
But instead of just stopping this train and derailing him, I
don't know, there were just beside him and picking up the

(01:09:24):
bills. It's like, what the fuck?
But most people are going to do that when there's so much light
on you. And I'm sure in the porn
industry, that's so like, competitive, like, you just hope
that the other ones gonna drown.So you go over him.
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, look, I, I think the
difference is, you know, I was aproducer and a director, but a
lot of people who are performers, I I noticed a

(01:09:47):
similar almost psychological profile between performers and
actors and musicians. And there's a common thread
there is like the need for adulation to be in front of the
camera, to be in the spotlight. So I suppose, you know, once a
porn career starts ending and they no longer have that, what

(01:10:08):
else is there for them? I mean, that's, that's the way I
can interpret it. And it's it's quite sad.
I mean, you know, I tried to figure out, OK, I knew that porn
was going to end for me at some point in time.
Their book? We feel that you know that this
can't last forever. Right.
Yeah. And, and you know what my
biggest fear was? Whatever I do next is not going

(01:10:28):
to be as interesting. That was it.
That was my only fear. But who cares?
Like, I don't even care about that anymore.
Like, I just love just just waking up every day, hanging
with my dogs, hanging with my girlfriend, reading books,
getting better at the piano and just enjoying this, whatever it
is, simulation life, however youwant to talk about it.

(01:10:50):
Yeah. I I I'm really fortunate in that
regard. So you were an expert at the pop
shot, so explain to us how you almost didn't fuck one up but
your whole career? Right.
Yeah, No, I mean, I I never missed one.
Sometimes I had other shooters working for me that missed it.

(01:11:10):
And you know, you, you can't fake that very well because you
could try mixtures of different things and you could try maybe
squirting it from a squirt gun. But it's it's it's a fugazi.
It's not, It's not real. Yeah.
So, you know, you just have to be sure that you're on point and
ready to go because that is the most important shot in porn.

(01:11:31):
Whether. Yeah.
And where it goes, that is up for debate.
I could tell you the most popular was always the facial.
This is what the people wanted to see.
You could interpret that, the wise of that anyway you want.
And then the cream pies, which cream pies were tricky because
they need to know the performer needs to know that they cannot

(01:11:52):
be fully inside because the the part of the creampie that makes
the shot so special is the come dripping out.
And if you're all the way U there, it's not going to drip
out. And plus you need to have a guy
who's quite voluminous in their O shot.
So you would actually see it come out.
So that was usually it. I just kind of thought that when

(01:12:12):
they had me do pops on the boobsor the butt or the feet, I was
like, Boo, I know that I know the members are going to be
pissed about that, but but apparently some people just
don't like facials either. I don't know.
What it's like there's some people with the foot fetish that
you never know what kind of appliance that that you have.
Yeah. What's 1 of the craziest last

(01:12:32):
minute crises that you had to fix on set and how did you put a
lot put pull it off? OK, yeah, I talked about this in
the book. I think the greatest feat that I
ever accomplished was getting 2 shoots done when both of my male
talent for the day in two separate scenes got arrested
because I was having them. All right, let me back up.

(01:12:56):
Yeah, the day before we're shooting a scene.
I know, I know Genevieve Jolie was in it.
And we rented a legitimate cop car that, you know, they told us
don't take it out on the road. And I remember, and I remember
this thing costing like three tofour grands to rent.
This was when they had money andthey were spending it.

(01:13:17):
They didn't really care. But I remember watching the
footage and I didn't direct the scene that all you see in the
cop, all you see in the in the in in the in the in the video is
like one shot of the cop car going by.
And I'm like, they're gonna get pissed off at me because this,
this this high production cost item is not in it.

(01:13:37):
So I told them I go huggy. Here's my director, kind of a
piece of shit asshole. I told him, I said, why don't
you go down with Kieran and Scott nails and shoot some super
trooper type of intro stuff thatwe could use to maybe mix in and
we at least get the prop card because they were picking it up
that day. So I go, just go right down the

(01:13:59):
street. O, you know, 10 minutes go by,
20 minutes go by, an hour goes by.
I'm like, where the fuck are these guys?
And then I hear like sirens and then a car go fish like right
down the street and I'm like, what the fuck?
And then I hear a chopper and I'm like, Oh my God.
And then I have Scott nails texting me while he's in
handcuffs saying you need to getdown.

(01:14:20):
You were getting arrested. Now I'm thinking, if I go down
there, I'm going to get arrestedtoo.
And then we're all fucked. So they're getting arrested and
I've got one girl going to a comic book store to shoot a
scene but she has no guy to fuckher.
And then I've got 3 girls comingout of makeup for a shoot that

(01:14:41):
is at the house that no guy the fucker either.
And I'm like what do you do? What a predicament.
Well, it turns out that Scott Nils had an outstanding traffic
ticket in Boulder City, which was about 20 miles away.
And so he gets sent to Boulder City while Kieran and Huggy get
booked downtown to Metro. And the reason why they got

(01:15:03):
arrested was because someone called an officer in distress,
right? And then they towed that car
because that car was not registered as a prop cop
vehicle, which is why they're like, we don't want you taking
it out on the road. So it was actually good that
Scott was arrested for that in Boulder City because I texted
him. He's like, look, all I have to

(01:15:25):
do is pay it. They're going to bounce me.
So I go and pick him up. I'm expecting him to be pissed
off at me and he's like, I'm notmad.
He's like, I'm mad that I'm not gonna be making my money today.
I go, well can you do 2 pops in a day?
He's like, yeah. He's like just give me about,
you know, 45 minute nap of my great.
So I drop him off. He knocks out one scene and then

(01:15:46):
I drop him off at the comic bookstore.
He knocks out the other scene. And then I go and I get Kieran
and Huggy out of jail or I wait for them to get released and
they got released with no charges because being stupid is
not a crime. They just want to hold them and
hold them because they they wereinconvenience because they sent
the Calvary and a shopper on this call.

(01:16:08):
Ohm, my God, the chopper for this.
Like they were spending a lot just like I I don't know what
they were thinking like a reallysomebody that was like maybe
impersonating a cop. Maybe that's what I I would have
thought initially that they would have thought.
Well, what they did was Curran was in a cop uniform and then
you got Scott Nails, who kind oflooks like a criminal with all

(01:16:29):
his tattoos. And you know, what they were
shooting was, you know, like, like Scott, like overtaking him
and cupping him and then drivingthe car away, like doing like
stupid like that. But someone seeing it, they're
like, yeah, Oh my God, Officer in distress.
And yeah, it was. It was bad.
People are not with the live andlet live.
Yeah. I want to be a hero today.

(01:16:50):
This cop is going through something.
Yeah, yeah. But it made for a good story
that I definitely wanted to include in the book.
But that was the biggest, the biggest challenge for sure.
How do you measure your your success for a shoot or a
project? Was it just about the numbers or
were there other benchmarks thatyou were aiming for?

(01:17:12):
You feel success in your heart for a scene or something like
that. Well, I mean it, it was kind of
interesting because sometimes there would be a scene that I
thought was crap, that there wasn't chemistry between the
girl and the guy or just it justdidn't, didn't rub well with me.
It didn't sit well with me. But it wound up doing really
well in the members area on browsers.

(01:17:33):
And then there were sometimes scenes that I shot and I was
like, wow, that was a great scene.
You know, I'm shooting and they're just going, they don't,
I'm following them fucking. I don't have to cut.
They're not asking the cut. We're just getting through it.
I'm like, wow, that that was a good one.
And sometimes that scene just didn't do shit.
And you're like, wow, it's the the members are really fickle on

(01:17:54):
what they like and don't like. It's the point where I really
couldn't understand, you know, what was going to be successful
and what wasn't. So how I measured it was if the
person showed up and they were happy to be there and the
concept was not fucking ridiculous, which became harder
and harder to find as time went on.
And it was a very easy shoot andeveryone was happy and it looked

(01:18:17):
great when I was shooting it. That to me was a good day.
That's how I measured the success was how did it go?
Did would everyone have a great time and do people want to come
back to work? Can you tell us a bit the story
of when your parents visited forthe first time and you had to
hide everything in one room and they were really realizing like,

(01:18:37):
damn, this is a fucking house? I would have thought as a father
I've never like. I think he's a drug.
Dealer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's, it's right. So when I first got into the
porn industry, I told my father,this is when I was living in LA
and I was starting to like to doshoots out there.
And I told him, I said, you know, I'm gonna I'm, I'm

(01:18:58):
shooting like some some porn. He goes, look, he's like, I
don't see anything wrong with it.
You know, it's a legit business.It's legal.
You're not doing anything illegal.
He's like, but please don't be in the movies.
That was his one request. And I'm like, you know what,
That's fair. That's absolutely fair.
But I told him, I said, look, I need you to keep it to yourself.

(01:19:20):
I don't want you to start telling people.
Well, he tells his wife not he'snot my mother.
My mother died when she when I was 15, but he got remarried.
And you know, she's she's a little bit of a yenta, let's put
it that way. But she started asking me
questions and I was kind of like, you know, it's not your
information to have yet here youare asking all these questions.

(01:19:43):
So eventually I cut them off andI was like, I'm not doing it
anymore, but I'm going to move to Vegas and I'm going to buy
this house. And they're like, what are you
doing out there? Well, corporate and commercial
production is what I told them. And they roll in and they're in
this rather large estate, which for a dude that had no money,
you know, and was in debt, you know, maybe a year and a half

(01:20:05):
ago, things weren't adding up. And then, and then they're
walking through the house and they're seeing the different
colour Willy Wonka furniture everywhere.
And they're like, what the fuck?And then there's one room.
And of course she's like, what'sin that room?
And I go, oh, it's, it's my clients.
All of their, their, their, their products.

(01:20:26):
Well, can we see it? I'm like, no, no, I had to sign
NDA. There's no one can see it.
So there was like the whole thing is the more you lie, the
more it's like they wanna know more about it.
So that's the way it was for a while.
And you know, they, they kind ofthought I was gay too because,
you know, I was a single dude who had like all these bad

(01:20:49):
relationships and I'm a single guy.
So, you know, they thought maybeI was gay.
And you were living with a dude too at that moment, I think.
House. Partner, that's it too.
So, so how does that sound a house partner?
Like they're like, OK, but it was it was a closet case, but
not the, the the typical kind. It was he's really a
pornographer. He's just not really telling

(01:21:10):
anyone. And my ex fiance, who is a
compulsive liar, wound up telling them at one point that I
worked for the CIA. Yeah.
So it was like it just got worseand worse to the point when I
got to a point where I was like,you know what?
Who gives a fuck? Yeah, I'm a porn director.
Yeah, this is what I do. That explains the the the purple

(01:21:31):
and gold couches everywhere. The adult, the nursery has
evolved so much through the years of what changed.
What changes shock you the most during those times?
Well, I guess it was more towards the end of the career,
but you have to understand something that trends shifted
constantly over the course of mycareer.

(01:21:54):
My transit? You mean like fetishes of
people? What we were focusing on what
was hot at the moment and they based it, all of that on what
was being searched on Pornhub because Pornhub was a company
asset and people were searching all sorts of things.
So and there was something that they wanted more.
They're like, OK, we're going toshift gears and we're going to
get away from all the big boobs and all the big butts and all

(01:22:16):
this and that. Now the big trend is squirting.
So you had to deal with the squirting scenes and, you know,
you had to sometimes have shootsthat were with girls who didn't
squirt and you had to fake it. You know, how do you fake it?
Well, she takes a douche full ofwater, shoots it up them and
holds it until you are ready to get the squirting shot.

(01:22:39):
But that's how we were doing it.And then, you know, things
started shifting a little bit more towards the step father,
stepdaughter, step sister, step,whatever.
So that's what happens. And then what would the
translator? Then it was really we had to
focus on the ads, the ads that were going to be on Pornhub for
people that would get people to click, click date essentially.

(01:23:01):
And go for pain. Go to the pay sites and that was
the business model that survived.
But I think the biggest change was happening was when we
started dealing with younger performers that were born after,
Say, 1996 or so, and they were raised on iPods and iPhones and

(01:23:21):
social media and they're not talking anymore.
And they are, they're not. They don't know how to
communicate yet we're asking them to have consensual sex on
camera. That to me was the biggest
change and the biggest eye opener to the point where I was
starting to get uncomfortable towards the end of it where you

(01:23:42):
know, you would shoot a scene and you think everything was
fine because they didn't call cut, they didn't say anything.
They did their exit interviews, everything was fine.
Yet they go on Twitter or they say something to a boyfriend or
sometimes sit on something for two years and then decide to
blast it out. Yeah, and you're like what the

(01:24:03):
fuck? Because.
Where was this initially? Well, the thing was, is they had
a compliance department and theyhad people looking at the
content to flag things that werenot compliant.
And we had rules of things that we had to, had to adhere to.
And if it passed compliance and now they're saying, no, they
were, they, they, they had a traumatic experience that none

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of us knew about. That's when I was like, OK, the
goal posts have been shifted. I don't know if this is the
business for me anymore because there's more to lose than there
is the gain. Do do you think it's a woman's
responsibility to to tell the dude, Hey, by the way, I I don't

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take contraception. Yeah, in my life too.
Like you sleeping with a girl and she don't say shit the whole
time. She puts it in and she's rolling
and and I, I come by keep going and she's like, oh, tell me
before you come. Like after like 45 minutes of
sex, I'm like, well, it already happened once.
I'm aiming for the second one now.

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It's like, oh, you could have told me.
I'm like, bro, it's your responsibility.
You know when you take my Dick and you put it inside you that I
don't have got him. I'm not doing contraception on
my side. So it's for you to fucking tell
me right away. But a lot of girls and and the
porn. I was shocked that a lot of them
don't take contraception and they do cream cream pies.

(01:25:27):
It's like what the? Fuck yeah.
Yeah, I know you're right. And like whenever I was in my
personal life when it came to that, I that would be my first
question. Are you on birth control?
Because sometimes they're like, yeah, come with me.
I'm like, are you on birth control?
Because, you know, I don't want to have a kid.
And you know, they would say either yes or I can't have kids

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was usually the the the answer. So very dicey.
Would you trust that every time?No, no, because, because,
because you know that that that's not a foolproof method at
all. But yeah, I think if there's a
cream pie scene and the girls not on contraception, then there
needs to be some sort of solution there, which there are.

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There are solutions. It's called Plan B or there's a
lot of things they could do. What I find so interesting now
after the outcome of this election, girls are like, I'm
not doing cream pies anymore because now I can't get an
abortion. And I'm like, you do realize
there's about 5 or 6 other things you can do that will

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prevent you from getting pregnant, dummy.
But but that's where we are important at the current time.
Credible because I I wouldn't have thought that the porn
movement and the porn would havehad been hit by the me too
movement like it did. That's what changed and that's
why millennials were like keeping it in not saying shit

(01:26:55):
until the the products done sealed and gone.
And then a year later, a month later you're like, what the
fuck? So that that was probably
stressing because I know that when I go to clubs or bars with
my friends now, a lot of my friends don't even want to go
and start talking to a girl in case she says something.
Oh, he wasn't. And I'm like, God damn, like,

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you got to live. But we're in a crazy world right
now that people are so like snowflakes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I think you nailed it with
the younger generation. They're the ones who really have
again, moved the goal posts. The rules have completely
changed. They no longer made sense to me.
Like in the real world, I felt OK.
I guess if that's really the wayit is, fine.

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But in porn? Come on.
Like, we're supposed to be adults.
We're supposed to be acting likeadults in the adult
entertainment industry, yet people are not.
It was still 13th grade all the way through.
It's like in UFC when they triedto do a like a sensor UFC
because of the how much no censorship and no filter.

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Dana White talks all the time and they were like, oh, you
should put this fighter on the leash.
She's like, I ain't putting nobody on the leash.
We're in the fight game, lady. So if one of my white guys says
racist remarks to the black guy,it's a fight game.
What do you expect? It's like I'm not going to
telling people to to fucking andnot not be allowed to say

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something if they wanna say we're in the fight.
Game said that they could start possibly sanctioning fighters
for things they say before fights and the fights, I guess
in response to the McGregor and Habib stuff.
Just wanted to get your thoughtson that.
Can they? Can they do that?
Hello. I think it's crazy.
I think I think it's insane. I think it's unconstitutional.

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First of all, I don't think you can legally do that.
These guys get into a cage and they punch each other in the
face. They can knock each other
unconscious, they can choke eachother, but they can't say mean
things to each other. It's pretty ridiculous.
You obviously give a long leash to your fighters about, you

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know, what they can say when they are up there with the UFC
microphone and you are getting into territory of homophobia,
transphobia, like is there, I don't give anybody a leash.
Well, I'm saying you a leash. I'm like, free speech, control
what people say, gonna tell people what to believe, gonna
tell people I don't fucking tellany other human being what to

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say, what to think. And there's no leashes, aren't
any of them. What is your question?
I was asking that question. I'll move on, though.
Yeah, probably a good idea. That's ridiculous to say.
I give somebody a leash. Free speech, brother.
People can say whatever they want and they can believe
whatever they want. And I would have thought that it

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would have been the same important because literally
there's you could live a day with shit on and inside your
boots the whole day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I think you're absolutely right.
And when the whole woke movementwas starting to take hold in the
porn industry again, that's whenI was like, it doesn't make
sense anymore to me. So I think perhaps I aged out.

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I became the dinosaur that was like, OK, I need to go out to
porn pasture. And that was OK.
And I was at peace with it. Like, you know, I think there
was a good maybe year where I was like, harboring a little bit
of resentment. But then when I realized, you
know, every day was happier and happier and happier because I
was away from it. It was like, there's nothing to

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be angry about here. You know this this thing ran its
course and it's U to now the younger generations to make
sense of it all cause cause I certainly don't know the rules
anymore. They don't make sense.
Do you find a monogamy as stupid?
No, I did at one point in the porn industry.
Yeah, because I tried it. I tried it in my engagement.

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And I mean, look, this was really more of a her issue and
her insecurities. But I was getting blamed for
cheating all the time and I wasn't.
And you know when you're being monogamous and in my.
Shoes you're seeing hot girls too naked and you're really are.
Monogamous, right? And, and, and here's the
interesting thing. When you are engaged or you're

(01:31:20):
with a partner, they kind of viewed it as like some sick
challenge, like, I wonder if I can get him to fuck me, you
know, And so they're laying it on really thick and I'm like,
not doing it. I'm being a good boy.
But you're coming home and you're being blamed for cheating
all the time. And at that point you're
thinking, well, if I'm going to get blamed for it, I might as
well do it. So what happened?

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Because after I broke up with her and I got into my next
relationship, that was when and of course, I started doing
cocaine. That's when I wanted to have my
cake and eat it too. So when she started accusing me,
that's when I was like, you knowwhat?
OK. I'm going to, I'm going to just
fuck whatever is interested. And and so and so I was I, I

(01:32:04):
wish at the time that I had enough sense or wasn't so fucked
up on coke or I was like, you know what this is wrong to do to
you. I'm going to break up with you.
I didn't do that. I just kind of was a scoundrel
and I could admit it and I couldbe honest about it.
But after that, when I chose to not be in a relationship
anymore, to me it made sense where monogamy didn't make sense

(01:32:28):
at all. And when I did date a Dutch girl
for nine months, I told her I said this has to be an open
thing. I was like, because if I have
someone who I'm physically attracted to and I am putting in
zero effort and they just want to have fun, I'm gonna do it.
So. So we we had that.

(01:32:49):
I just made a rule like, don't ask any questions you don't want
the answer to because I'm going to answer them.
But now I am in a committed, fully monogamous relationship
and I intend to keep it. Yeah.
And I said to her, yeah, well, well, you know.
It's incredible. I'm proud of you.
Well, well, I, I think the reality was after being

(01:33:11):
distanced from it for so long, because we linked up earlier
this year. I mean, I have known her for
years, right? And we tried to get together a
few times over the years. We were going to get together
during early 2020, but then COVID hit and she's not from
here. So it kind of was put on hold
for a while. And I tell her, I said, you

(01:33:32):
know, you're getting the best version of me because I don't
think this would have worked outwhen I was still in born and I
needed to write the book. I needed to process it.
I needed to heal. I need to become a little more
self aware. And I tell her, I said, I am.
I am not going to betray your trust at all.
Like you've got me. So let's let's make the most of

(01:33:53):
this and let's let's be good to each other.
There was this girl that told you that her daughter was yours
when actually it wasn't like I can't even imagine that.
But what I lived through that I could compare to you is
literally one of my one of my child.
I got told about the child when he was a a year and three

(01:34:17):
months. So the first Adobe, Hey, by the
way, like a year and three quarters away.
Well, you put me pregnant. I'm sure you didn't want it so I
kept it. What the fucks I learned this.
I'm on a Bender at a girls another girls face and I get
this text that's fucking paragraphs telling me oht you're
a father of a second child. I don't know where and he's

(01:34:37):
already born. I'm like what the fuck?
Like how could these women do this?
Yeah, yeah. So you had this.
Is it the same girl that said that Bliss was yours and the
purse and the one that said thatshe had twins and lost both of
them? Is that the same person?
Yes, yes. So, yeah, she was.

(01:34:58):
She was named after a succubus. That's where I came up with her
name. Now.
Now most of the people in the book, except for a few of their
names, were changed because my lawyers advised me not easily
identifiable. You stick to that and you're
going to take the wind out of most lawsuits.
So yeah, that was the ultimate mind fuck.

(01:35:19):
When I tell you this was the relationship that defined other
future relationships after that,That's why.
And there was like, I'm at the point now where I don't even
care what was the truth, What wasn't the truth.
Like I cut the tie quickly now, like once I was done, I was

(01:35:39):
done. And no more cease
communications. But that doesn't mean that she
doesn't keep trying to show up again in, in either texts or
phone calls or emails or whatever.
I call her finest. Yeah, well, she's she's she's
she's human herpes. She's herpes in the human form.
And she will not go away. And the way I look at it is this

(01:36:02):
that is my penance for choosing poorly in a partner.
And now? You have two good heart because
even the guys that screwed you over or didn't do an amazing job
like you wanted them to, well you gave him like not an excuse
but another shot. Try to help him out You you you.

(01:36:22):
I think your problem is you had two a good heart and not let
people down. So I think that fucked you up
with relationships and work relationships.
Yeah, yeah. I, I, I, I wanted to help people
instead of just cutting them loose.
Like in hindsight, in business, I should have just been
ruthless, cut, gone, you're out of here.
Same thing. Same thing in relationships as

(01:36:44):
well, like trying to do the right thing, trying to be the
good guy. Sometimes you, you have to be
the Dick, you know, and you haveto, you have to be like, no,
this is this is the way it's going to go And, and you fucked
up. You're out of here.
But I didn't do that. I wanted to help.
So knowing that porn free was coming at a certain point full
throttle where people in their industry that was controlling

(01:37:08):
like the the paid sites freakingout of what just coming.
Well, yeah, yeah. But they they wasn't where I was
because, you know, they were starting to take over the entire
industry. You know, they had Pornhub, they
had browsers, they had all thesewebsites.
And then one second ownership took over.
They started buying other big companies.
So I was under the umbrella, so I was fine.

(01:37:31):
But for people who had their copyrighted work showing up on
the porn sites, yeah, they were they were freaking out.
I was OK. I didn't really worry.
I was, I was part of the evil empire.
But but, but a lot of people, yeah, they they, they were
successful and then they startedlosing everything and a lot of
resentment started to grow against, against the evil Empire

(01:37:53):
that was known as man win and then eventually mine geek.
What are some of the most commondrugs that we see in in porn?
Like of people not in the porn obviously, but that are people
are addicted to or have problemswith.
I would see opioids. I would see Xanax.

(01:38:13):
That would be like the two main ones, which oddly enough, with
their doctor's prescription are legal, you know?
And with enough, you die. Exactly.
And it's it's it's a bad like I knew never to get on the opioid
train. I knew that because any
documentary, anything I saw, younever have a happy ending to an
opioid story now. Exactly.

(01:38:34):
Yeah, and I mean, I knew a lot of people who they I wouldn't
say a lot, but there were there were girls who took Xanax
because, you know, they don't even remember the scenes.
Now think about that like that is that is a pretty fucked.
Up fucked by three dudes but never remember it.
Yeah, yeah, there's, there's one, there's one performer,
Haley Young, who I, I still talked to on occasion.

(01:38:58):
And, you know, she's in a good place now.
She is, but she, I would talk toher and I'm like, do you
remember like this, this, this, she's like, I don't remember
really anything. And I don't know if that's
really the drugs probably or, orif she's selectively, you know,
just disassociating and, and forgetting these things.
And what mental health problem did you see that a lot of people

(01:39:23):
have? Like what was the most common
health problem that you would see A.
Well, I mean, I think you would see, you would see depression,
bipolar, manic depressive, I think you would see a lot of
that. I would say, I want to say a lot
of it, but but for those who wound up taking their lives, I I
saw cases of that as well. And what trauma was the most

(01:39:44):
common you think? See, they never really got into
like exactly what went down at all.
Sometimes they sometimes they would, but generally it was more
like you knew that there had hadsomething had gone down, but
they don't really talk about it,you know, you just kind of see.

(01:40:05):
Just. Like she has issues.
Yeah, or, or you know, you see people who like self harm, self
mutilate. You would see that quite a bit.
But yeah, overall that was like,you know, when when I was
deciding that I'm just going to hang out with girls in the
industry because I was failing at relationships with the

(01:40:27):
civilian world. You know, you have those awkward
post coital conversations and that's when they reveal
themselves and you're like, yeah, I really don't want to
wade into your dark waters. I really don't.
But but but but they're there for sure.
The first time that you go on vacation like in Hawaii, I think

(01:40:47):
yeah, like just chilling and there's it's one of the first
time that the company still rolling but you're not there and
then out of nowhere I I think it's Blake started make those
checks bounce and you didn't bounce one fucking checks is the
beginning. Everybody was paid and laid and
happy and him like you can't even leave the boat for two

(01:41:09):
seconds and then they can't evensteer the ship.
What? The fuck?
Yeah. Yeah.
So they had this bright idea to send their fraternity brother
whose visa in Canada had expired, so they had to do
something with him. So they sent this guy to me,
this this black dude named Blake.
Now I liked, I liked Blake. I know I talked so much shit
about him in the book because hewas a buffoon.

(01:41:31):
He was an absolute 100% buffoon.But the thing was, is that with
all the things that I had going on and all the shooting going
on, the last thing I wanted to do was be manager of a bank
account. So they basically used him and
put everything under his name. You know, like, he set up the

(01:41:52):
accounts. All the leases were signed.
So let's say in all these housesthat we were renting, if the
cops raided them, it wouldn't fall back on me.
It would fall back on him. So for me, he was the ultimate
fall guy. Or what?
But what I didn't realize was is, you know, they asked me, is
Blake helpful? And I'm like, yeah.
And I was thinking more like, he's the guy that I send out to

(01:42:14):
get sandwiches for the crew, youknow, and, and the cast.
That's what I was thinking. I didn't realize they were
grooming him to be a producer. Mind you, this fuck never had
any experience on a porn set or any set except for observing me.
So what happened was, yeah, he had this account and he
literally would just send these very round invoices in to the

(01:42:38):
company and he was the one manager and go, Blake, listen,
you can't bounce a check. You need to know exactly how
much is going in, how much is going out.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I got it. I got it.
And I I should have known better.
Obviously I should have known better.
But yeah, literally we shut downproduction.
I go to Hawaii with my soon to be fiance and I start getting

(01:43:01):
calls from agents that checks are bouncing and I'm like, you
motherfucker. Like.
And he owned it. He's like, yeah, yeah, you're
right, I shouldn't have done it.But in the meantime, he was
basically telling the company that I was embezzling funds and
that's why it was under, you know, So, yeah, yeah.
It, it got to the point where itwas just, I was always looking

(01:43:23):
at my ass to see how much someone was taking a bite out of
it, you know, because, because, because you have to understand
something. When Pornhub launched and when
the business and the economy started tanking, then there was
a lot of blood in the waters. And here I am running, you know,
35 shots a month. And people who are hurting, they
want a piece. They want a piece.

(01:43:43):
And it's like you're getting attacked all angles and you're
just trying to fend off on top of shooting porn multiple
scenes. Like, yeah, it was.
It was getting bad for a while. Oh my God how much does the non
adult media companies like the tech giants profit from adult
industry and a while publicly staying distant from it?

(01:44:07):
So I guess really what we're talking about here is like hotel
chains or something that would maybe have the porn on the Yeah,
I, I think, I think the reality was is that, and, and I still
think it's to this day, porn is not a mainstream business.
Even though the Nutanix who are in the younger generation want

(01:44:27):
to refer to studio porn as mainstream porn.
There's nothing mainstream aboutporn at all.
Because if there was a performerdo not have a problem opening a
bank account or have financial discrimination against them or
any discrimination if it was mainstream.
O when people start saying I'm, I'm not shooting mainstream porn

(01:44:48):
anymore, I'm like, that term makes no fucking sense.
But but yeah, they benefit from it.
Of course they benefit from it. You know, there's, there's ways
of like not getting the stink onyou, but feeding the demand of
of your clients. So I think it was the hotels
that were first. After that girl told you that
Bliss was yours there because she supposedly picked up your

(01:45:10):
hair during the night there, man.
Right when? Right when you said that I was
like, man, I don't trust that bitch.
No mold. Yeah, like what the fuck?
So how long? How long after did you take the
test by yourself and to make sure?
That was probably, you know, maybe a month or two.
I think there was something thatthat set me off that you know,

(01:45:32):
because she she was so bad that all she wanted to do was sleep.
Yet she has got like a three-year old in this house,
like walking around and she, youknow, eventually hired my
cleaners to be the nanny of, of the kid because she just wanted
to, to be in bed. My take is that she was like,
she was on drugs and she was hiding it very well.

(01:45:54):
She was a she was hiding her addiction, but she said
something to me at one point. She's like, you should be
hanging out with your daughter. And something in me was like,
OK, And then that's when. Like, why are you trying to
implement? In my head, that is my daughter.
I'm like, yeah. So, so one time when she was

(01:46:14):
gone, I'm like, Liz, come here, open up your mouth, swab, swab,
put it into tube, send it off. And I, I remember the
unmistakable panic in in my ex'seyes when I told her that, yeah,
but even even like this is this goes to prove the point of me
trying to be a good dude. Yeah.

(01:46:35):
And trying to be committed. Even when I found out that it
was 100% certain this kid was not mine, I was like, we're
still going to make make it through this.
And she wound up getting pregnant again and wound up
miscarrying again. And I think it was after, well,
after that met that that miscarriage and after I saw her

(01:46:57):
kid, um, you know, she like her mother was yelling at me and
slamming doors. And then the kid was slamming
doors and something in my head was like, OK, like at this
point, like it was like, like the voice of the universe was
like, OK, Vic, I can't do anything else for you to tell

(01:47:17):
you that you should not be in this relationship.
And once that opened up, I was like, you know, we were all
making like, like making all these choices because it would
be good for Bliss. But the truth is none of this is
good for Bliss. And I think she needs to be in a
more healthy environment, not here because it's very toxic,

(01:47:38):
because me and you are toxic. And I think if we don't improve,
you need to go. And there was a matter of months
where her daughter wasn't even here.
She was back home and she's trying to work on me.
And I'm like, and our relationship, I'm like, you
should like, how is it not innate in you to want to be a
better mother to your daughter? And eventually I was like, OK,

(01:48:03):
you need to go. I'm going to send you back home
and you're going to you're goingto address your issues.
And she tried to hang on as longas she possibly could, but at
that point, I was done. I was done and it was over.
Was enough of this girl? Oh my goodness, she put you
through the ringer. Yeah, absolutely.

(01:48:24):
Yeah, She she's a great villain in the.
Book yeah, in your story, for sure.
We needed one like that. And let me tell you something,
she was losing her fucking mind the months before the the book
was released. Like literally calling up my
lawyers, yelling at me on Instagram before I would block
her. You need to tell me everything

(01:48:44):
that you wrote and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like. Yeah.
By the book, but on top of it, Idon't use your fucking name and
I don't even describe you. You're named after a succubus.
Like I didn't say this, my lawyers did, but it's like at a
certain point, like I can't makethe message any clearer.

(01:49:05):
Leave me the fuck alone, go away.
But. Your lawyer was awesome, like
talking with over 15 minutes because you could have deal with
this shit anymore and he was texting you like I'm selling
phone with her. Like she's just being like, what
a champ. That's a lawyer.
You wanna pay people? Yeah, yeah.
No, he's, he's, that's the senator.
He was my good buddy. He's my, he still is my good

(01:49:26):
buddy. My, my, my other brother,
basically. But yeah, if you've got any
friends that are going to go on a phone call with your ex who he
didn't like to begin with, you know, that's a homie.
You know that's that that's that's a bro.
How much can it get awkward whena guy like can't manage to get

(01:49:47):
the pop shot right away or or can't reget boner like like in
that room there? It probably gets fucking awkward
and quiet for a while there. What's the longest you ever
waited to for a guy to really manage it?
4-5 hours maybe. Wow.
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, you know, here's the

(01:50:08):
deal. Like, for someone like This is
why you always have to hire the good male talent.
And This is why I used the same male talent over and over again.
Because I knew even if they had like a bad day, their bad day
compared to like one of these lesser mobs out there is, is
it's going to be a cakewalk. And you know, so, so you just

(01:50:31):
learn to avoid certain people. Or, you know, you can give
someone a, a pass and let them go again.
But if it becomes a certain thing, you're like, OK, can't,
can't use it anymore. Nice guy, but can't use you
anymore. Yeah, after you showed a bliss
to your family, then after bang she's not yours.
Like how is this conversation with your family?

(01:50:53):
It was nauseating because like, here's the thing, I finally told
my father all about it after shetold me that she did the DNA
test with my hair and I go, look, I'm about ready to tell
him. I was like, you have to swear on
everything that is holy that this is actually fact.

(01:51:15):
And she did because like I say, she's a she's a compulsive liar.
And then after I get the resultsthat I took, not my daughter,
and I'm like, I feel nauseous. I feel like I want to throw up
everywhere because what do you do now?
Just kidding, just kidding. She's not my daughter.

(01:51:37):
But I wound up like once we werefully broken U and this was
right after, you know, my first dog died.
I went back home like it was it was like, OK, the relationships
over dog that I love is, you know, was taken too soon and I
went up there and I think because of that they went light
on me. But I took a while to dinner and

(01:51:58):
sat him down and I was like, OK,it's over.
I'm no longer engaged and she isnot my daughter and my father
right away was. I don't think she was.
Your daughter knew like, yeah, yeah, because.
I was there and on that photo the whole time.
Yeah, yeah. Cause when I told him I brought
a photo and he would just stare at it and stare at it, Sir.
And, and look to his credit, on both sides of the fence, even

(01:52:21):
when he heard it, heard about this, and then he heard the fact
that she wasn't, he was still cool and accepting.
And, you know, just, I think he was just allowing me to fully
comprehend that I was making terrible choices in women and
that and that I needed to do better.
And so I did. I did, you know.

(01:52:42):
You were all at the most of the girls that you you picked out is
like girls that needed to be saved.
Didn't save a hole is what we called it in the industry.
How much influence does the major studios have over the
performers of public persona or social media accounts?

(01:53:03):
You know, I think in the earlierdays maybe the agents had more
say about it, but I don't reallythink they have a say.
I don't think they control like they would say PR team of an
actor or an actress or, you know, a manager or agent of an
actor and actress. I think they just kind of
hopefully guide them and coach them through all of it.

(01:53:26):
But they don't really impact, you know, their persona or how
they are. That's just how the performer
is. Hmm.
When you were talking about and your book, Jamie, the first dog
that passed away, I think, Yeah.And when you talk about her
story, I really touched my heartbecause I lost my dog to my,
like, four years ago. And she was 6 1/2.

(01:53:48):
And she was tough shape till outof nowhere.
She ain't tough shape. And she was like, breathing hard
all night. And we didn't even get to 5:00
AM and and I heard her last breath and I literally picked
her up, put her on my shoulders and holded her for two hours.
Well, my friend was coming to literally take that dog out of
my place because I couldn't dealwith it.

(01:54:09):
Why do you feel so much closer to animals than than humans?
You, you find because you, you seem to have a, a, an amazing
heart for humans too. But it's like if you feel like a
dogs can't betray you compared to humans.
Of course. I mean, I think they're, they're
angels, really. I mean, you know, I think
there's only one dog I've ever met in my entire life that was a

(01:54:31):
pure asshole. And it was, it was, it was a
little dog. It was a it was the dog of a
performer named Nikki Rhodes. She was a redhead way back in
the day. And her little Chihuahua was
just a mean little son of a bitch.
But beyond that, every dog that that I've been around is usually
taken to me. But yeah, there's a loyalty
there. And I want to say even from my

(01:54:52):
earliest images in the crib whenI was an infant was my old
English sheepdog Herbie, like always checking on me.
Like those are my first images. So imprinted for sure.
If you if you believe in certainthings, perhaps I was 1, you
know, And so they see me. They're like, yeah, you're one

(01:55:14):
of us, you know what I mean? But but I mean, for me, it's
just you're right. They they don't betray you.
They're there for you. And you know, I've been
fortunate, except for with Jamiewho had the brain tumor at at
six that they've all have lived full lives.
And you know, it's, it doesn't get easier when you lose 1.

(01:55:35):
But but when when they check a lot of boxes, good life, happy,
healthy and and they live like to like 1213.
You're like, you did your job asan owner, so you can be a little
more at peace with it, even though sometimes it's sudden or
sometimes you know, you know it's coming because there's a

(01:55:57):
gradual decline that happens over months at times.
And all you can hope for is thatthe suffering is limited, you
know, and you make them comfortable.
I realize that listening to the audiobook that the death of
David Dunn really, really strikeyou.
Why did that death in particularstrike you that much?

(01:56:17):
Well, so. So David Dunn was the guy who
was owning the Gillespie house. The Gillespie house was the
house that we were in for 15 months before I got my license
studio. And he was like a 39 year old
guy and I was maybe a few years younger than him, but but this
is when I was in my engagement. So this horrible person.

(01:56:38):
And I just remember I was like having constant back pain.
I was just having all of these issues.
And you know, you look at it now, it was like, of course it
was from the relationship and the stress of the relationship.
But when I saw this dude in his casket and I was like, I can
very well easily be this guy unless I make some changes,

(01:57:00):
which is this toxicity, this relationship can't go on
anymore. The ironic part, and this is
what one of my buddies who was who edited the book, he did the
first pass. He goes, OK, you made it a point
that you didn't want to end up like David Dunn.
Yet after your engagement, you were doing things that would

(01:57:21):
almost ensure the fact that you would end up like David Dunn,
which is the amount of drugs that I was doing.
So I I think there was some, some realization in in him dying
that I needed to make changes inthe relationship or else I would
end like that. But yeah, I was, I was still on
a path that could have ended very prematurely.

(01:57:43):
Drugs and alcohol is such a, a strong thing and this story man,
when you said it there, oh man, I was crying cause I live this
shit for once. In particular because I did
shrooms with a lot of people in my life and I did shrooms alone
often. And that there's a some fuck
friends I had for a while and when they asked me how I should

(01:58:05):
do shrooms in my head I was likeno we're not gonna ruin this
there because I had this one experience that was exactly like
yours. The girl was beautiful to death
and she was like, oh, let's do shrooms.
And when I started doing shrooms, my goodness, her face
transformed into like fucking because when you're in the
world, everything looks different.

(01:58:26):
And her face was like fucking like a clown.
Her hair was all weird. And I was like, Oh my God, like
I don't even know how I managed to perform.
And it really scrapped the, the,the friendship or relationship
you were starting with this person.
Can you talk a bit about it? Yeah, this is one of the girls
that was staring at me in my office when I was engaged that

(01:58:49):
was making it very apparent thatshe was interested.
And so there was a lot of build up to it.
Now this is like the difference between me after I got out of my
engagement versus me after I became single, after being in a
relationship with the girl, after my fiance Jackie.
And you know, when I was out of the relationship and you're

(01:59:09):
you're you're being accused all the time of cheating and now
your girl and the girls there and you're like you're, you're
you're basically so trigger hay and you know, ready to go.
And I, I just wish, you know, there's sometimes you're you,
you wish you get the mall again,a do over because you're like

(01:59:31):
like, what was I thinking? Like, like that was stupid.
But but that's the journey of life, isn't it, where you you
make mistakes, you do dumb shit and hopefully you learn from
them. So I was after I got out of the
the last relationship with Jackie, and I was going to be
waiting in the porn waters again.
It was going to be OK. We're gonna be much wiser this

(01:59:53):
time. And we're we're not gonna do any
dumb shit like like take mushrooms before you're about to
have sex with someone who you'veboth been mutually interested
in. Because after that she was like,
what the fuck that was? That was such a let down.
You guys, I did it with a with alot of dudes in my life doing
shrooms, but it never deformed one of my friends this much.

(02:00:17):
But girls, why they put makeup is to make up who the fuck they
are. So when you're on shrubs and in
that world, well, although makeup really it's it's the
makeup is something and the human is the other.
And then when you put both together on shrooms, it's
fucking crazy. Like what the hell did you do to
your face? I should have just opened a

(02:00:38):
bottle of wine that that would have been.
Really, it was the quick way to.Do.
Was already down for him. Yeah, yeah, that was, that was
just dumb. But yeah, that's, see, that's
the thing when I talk about leaning into the bizarre and
awkward, those are the moments that I find are the most funny
because, you know, listen, if I talk about all the fun ones and
the successful ones that I'm basically writing about porn,

(02:00:59):
you know, no, no, we, we like the train wrecks.
Those are those are those are more entertaining.
So I stuck with that. People appreciate their roller
coaster and life. What are major misconception
that the public has about the adult industry that are
particular about like more aboutthe people working in it?

(02:01:21):
What are the misconceptions thatpeople have?
I think dudes think that the female performers are like that
on screen, that they're that approachable in real life, that
they will just, you know, oh, you're interested, let's fuck,
you know what I mean? That would be the biggest
misconception. I think the other one would be
that the job is easy, that it's a fun day, that it's quick

(02:01:45):
because most people after they've been through a full porn
shoot will say, you know, that was kind of fucking boring
because it is. And it takes a while.
You don't really. To me, it was always the sex was
the easy part always, especiallyif you had two good performers,
you know, that was always maybe 3540 minutes tops if
everything's firing on all cylinders.

(02:02:06):
But before that, makeup, pretty girls, intro stills, intro
video, you know, all of the acting, then the sex stills,
then finally we're getting to the part that everyone wants to
see. So it's, it's not a, a cakewalk.
People think oh how how how hardcan it be to shoot porn
sometimes vary depending on whatthe variables.

(02:02:28):
And I'm sure the pressure of like competing and keeping your
job always, so you need to stay relevant and stay and stay and
stay important in the industry. But why are the AVN's?
Is that how it's called? Like the awards of why is those
parties or events so out of control?

(02:02:50):
Because I think it draws a lot of people who are just wanting
to be around the whole element of porn.
I think that's really what it comes down to.
The funny thing is, is that the book, you know, and I'll, I'll
hold it up here real quick so everyone knows, but this is AVN
nominated. OK, now you've read it.
OK, You hear all the shit that Italk about the industry.

(02:03:12):
You hear how much I goof on AVN and the awards and everything
else, yet here they are nominating me for mainstream
Venture of the Year, which to me, look I looking like this.
OK, it's hilarious because of the contents of the book, but in
some ways it's a little bit of an achievement because I'm doing

(02:03:33):
this outside of the porn monopoly, I'm doing this.
This was something I did on my own.
So in in in a very minor way, I guess I'm flattered that it's
something that I achieved outside of their shadow.
But overall, I just think all ofit is so like self

(02:03:53):
congratulatory and like so self jerking, you know, like, like,
like I understood the, the absurdity of it, so I leaned
into that. I wish they all did.
But instead they all take it so seriously and it's so important
and it's, it really isn't. It's not.

(02:04:13):
At all. People like it, like you said,
it's not an industry. Should take yourself seriously
in a way there I I got I I was so pissed when I realized that a
lot of your chapters you end it with a sex scene that we hear I
tell you, I'm listening to this shit with a speaker in my room.

(02:04:34):
OK, everything's chilled and my neighbor is 74 years old OK and
I'm in my bed so her bed is across white on the other side
and then you start hearing so put it deep in my mouth.
I'm like, oh shit. Like, like so loud there I was
like, man, every time. So I had to watch out.
So when the the chatter was ending, I knew that you were

(02:04:54):
gonna surprise me with somethingelse.
Every fucking time. Yeah, every time I was shocked
by what I was here. Well, well, well, the truth is,
is that like sometimes it was very deliberate on the topic
that I was talking about and thesound bite.
But here's the thing, and I don't know if you put this
together and listening to the audio book, but the reality was,
is that when I was pulling audioclips for the things that I was

(02:05:17):
talking about from, you know, the the prologue, I pull actual
audio from there, from that scene with Angelina Valentine
that was never released. I pull audio.
Well, you know, the Tour de force is the end, the epilogue.
And I started pulling clips and the shit that I was hearing in
these clips because that live show was the most ridiculous of

(02:05:40):
all things. My goal was to eventually weave
these in throughout the chaptersand lead up to it.
So people who are listening, they're like, oh, that's what
that was. So probably on on subsequent
listens people will get really what I was doing there.
Ohm my God I I didn't expect that at all and the whole time

(02:06:00):
I'm like oh fuck I hope by my neighbor doesn't think I'm just
watching porn all night. My best.
Yeah. This fall out of our bed and
babysit laugh so much. The adult industry often
receives criticism criticism forthe way they portray woman Did
you notice any like issues within the company or were there

(02:06:21):
efforts to address these problems of.
How do you OK, So what are you really talking about you because
you could talk about feminists saying that, you know, porn and
facials are are ways of degrading women, whereas maybe
like the reality is, is that I know women who actually enjoy

(02:06:43):
facials and enjoy anal. So that whole claim that it's
like anti women and and aggressive towards women.
I, I can debunk that relatively quickly, but, but I think what
was happening was, was what we were talking about earlier when
you're dealing with performers who just didn't know how to
speak U during the scene. That's what I think they were

(02:07:06):
starting to address more and more.
And I guess they're still doing it, You know, on the studio porn
sets, a lot of times they've got, you know, I want to call
them intimacy coordinators, but they basically are.
It's the same thing that would be on a Hollywood set these days
when it comes to sex. And that's where it is right
now. I was actually on a podcast a

(02:07:27):
couple weeks ago and the performer said to me, it's like,
she's like, it really sucks now because right when you're
getting in the groove and you'rereally enjoying yourself and
you're like feeling it. And that was the point I always
looked for when I was shooting like the sweet spot, like
getting away out of the awkward and the awkward positions and

(02:07:47):
finding your groove. Well, Well, apparently now when
you find your groove, that's when they cut.
Are you OK? Are you doing OK?
Are the girls like, yeah, I'm fine.
Like, can can you not interrupt us?
But that's, that's what porn is right now, apparently.
On the studio level, yeah. Wow, did you ever feel
responsibility to influence the ethics side of this industry?

(02:08:11):
Like a performer safety or representation?
Of course, of course, like, thatwas my goal.
I wanted to create a safe spot for performers that they know
they were going to come in, thatthere weren't going to be people
being scummy and sleazy and trying to fuck them.
That wasn't their male talent. That was my goal because the way
I saw it was that if someone left happy and wanted to come

(02:08:32):
back, that is job longevity and really was so.
So yeah, it's the porn industry,but you can class it up, you can
run it like a business, and it was very natural for me to do
it. To me it was the only way to do
it. And I I saw in a different porns
I watched in my life that what you said in the book that you
didn't wanna be a company like this.

(02:08:55):
Like they do the scene. And after the scene, the girl
goes to the shower to clean and leave the fucking place.
And she's even surprised that they go in the bathroom with the
camera still rolling. And the actor gets back in it
and you see in her face there that she's not comfortable and
she's shocked and she's like obligated to do another scene

(02:09:15):
out of nowhere. And I was like, man, that each
time I see that in real porns, Ilike that is so fucked up.
And when you mentioned that, that you weren't gonna wanted to
do that, man, that's so real, because it's like they wanna
take advantage like like the girl got paid, she got laid,
everything is done there. And so for them to like it like

(02:09:35):
makes the girl feel obligated toto rest, sleep with them or
something like that. Right, right.
And you know, the the times thatthey wanted us to do that stuff
was like during the live shows, which was like after the show is
over, let's follow them into theshowers.
But but, but it was all talked. About yeah, yeah, but she knows.
Right. And I would say almost like if
you want to have sex, have sex. If you don't, if you're done, if

(02:09:56):
you're fucked out, then don't worry about it.
Just excuse yourself. Like that's the way I did it.
But but yeah, but there's times when the cameras aren't rolling
when a male talent, we called them shower sharks, where they
would go in and try to fuck again.
And that was, that was one of the lessons I gave at the end.
It was like, if you want to be amale performer, do not be a

(02:10:16):
shower shark because it's going to blow your entire reputation.
And you had a guy that each timeyou went to go get him, he was
like the girls like, oh, yeah, you, you have weed.
He's like, I'll give you a blowjob, I'll get you weed or
man, it's like. Yeah.
That you can't have in your teamlittle dogs like guys that don't
have pussy. That you need guys that have

(02:10:36):
game to be able to deal with these beautiful whatever woman
without jumping on them all the time.
Yeah, that was my worst hire ever.
Fucktard is what he's known as in the book.
Yeah, yeah. And there was Moe 2 that you had
a couple of problems like that with him and he even married one
of them. And you, you all were like no,
no, this is not good idea. Yeah, it wasn't.

(02:10:58):
It lasted I think, six weeks. He was one of the first ones
that left on bad terms and then called OSHA on me and then
fucktard left on bad terms because, you know, he was, I was
hearing the same stories over and over.
And where there's smoke, there'sfire.
So I let him go and he called OSHA on me as well.
So I had visits from OSHA because of of former employees

(02:11:22):
who left badly that wanted to exact some retribution upon me.
How do you performers or directors protect themselves
from long term psychological toll of this work?
Or it's not really a talked about yet to the highest degree?
So all I could do is just give advice to people.
You know, for me, when things were getting heavy, I would take

(02:11:45):
a break and I would go to music festivals and I would do like a
lot of hallucinogens. I would do Molly probably, you
know, coke as well. I mean there's there's times
where I had about 6 different things swirling around in my
but. The truth is.
Right, But the truth is when I was away from porn and I was at
music, that's when, you know, the needle started going back

(02:12:08):
into the positive where I would come back from a music festival.
All right, I'm back. Let's go shoot some good fucking
porn, you know, and I would be like happy.
And then the cycle would repeat itself.
You get depleted and you get darker and darker and you're
like, all right, I need a break.I need to go see some live
music. My advice is look fine,
something to get away to and find people outside of the

(02:12:29):
industry that are that are friends that are true friends
because you don't really find a lot of like true like friends in
the industry. You don't.
And life and life too, I find. Yeah, so.
So I just tell people I was like, find your people, find
your people and use them for support when you need them.

(02:12:50):
Can you break down a bit the themoney side of the industry?
Who really gets rich in here andwho barely scrapes by?
So nowadays the crews are the ones that are barely scraping
by, the top level talents, the contracts, they're the ones who
are making the money. See, the way I look at it like
this is if a girl spent say two to three years in the industry

(02:13:14):
and builds up a brand and we're talking about, you know, years
ago, we're talking maybe 2015 onward.
Around that time frame when you're working in studio porn
and you're becoming a known namein the industry, around that
time is when the performer platform started to emerge.

(02:13:34):
So that's when they can start making the Only Fans money.
So those who are fortunate to bearound that point and they have
a good following, they're doing OK, especially nowadays.
But the companies less so because especially Pornhub,
because of all the problems thatthey faced over the years with

(02:13:57):
the content purge and now the age verification, the money is
not there for crews anymore at all.
And to be honest with you, I wouldn't understand why anyone
would want to do this job for those companies because the
money doesn't justify the bullshit anymore.
And now you can do it all by yourself, Don't need to sweat
your own place with your fuckingcell phone so it's way less

(02:14:20):
stressed. It is less stressful, but again,
you're you're building a brand and you need to build it from
the ground up and you need it becomes a full time job.
So if you're a producer slash talent, you could be OK.
I saw that you were the one thatthat did the Ghostbusters and
that the Star Wars parody. Yeah.

(02:14:41):
What's crazy about that? I I seen those away before,
before knowing that you were coming on the podcast.
And when I saw that, because I went to look online, all the
scenes you did like a a list of them.
So if there's some that trigger me that I know and I saw those
two, are you the one that reallycreates the whole idea or you

(02:15:03):
just wait from the top getting told all this or that?
So what would happen is, is thatthey would send their producers
lists of scenes and who they once and who they want to pair
it with, which a lot of times, you know, they would want all
these things and they wouldn't get it because sometimes a
certain female might not work with one, a certain male and

(02:15:25):
vice versa. So you try to give them what
they want and then the scripts come.
And then I had to just break down the scripts, decipher them,
send my crew, but to either get wardrobe props, whatever, we're
going to build this set. And it was really just
following, these are the marching orders now, execute the
plan. That was really it.

(02:15:46):
What object for you that you have at your place that means
the most to you? Is it the helmet by the Philly
with all signed? So yeah, I, I, I love the fact
that in after 2018 or in 2018, after the Eagles won the Super
Bowl, a gift shows up. I'm like, what is this?

(02:16:08):
And it's, it's a signed helmet. Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl
5230 signatures on it. And it was from them saying, you
know, to Vic friend. They called me a friend's life,
like or, or, or lifelong friend or something.
And our frontline commander, like, these are their words.

(02:16:28):
And I'm like, yeah. And, you know, like our
relationship over the years was like, it was ups and downs,
peaks and valleys, you know, Andat that point in time, I felt
that, OK, we're finally on the same page again.
We're finally on the same page again.
We finally have that mutual respect.
But it didn't last long. It didn't.

(02:16:48):
It was it was it was very temporary.
Yeah. I mean, because once COVID hit
and the business changed, well, any of that warm fuzzy feelings
went completely out the window. Because became cutthroat right
away between everybody, yeah. Were there any performers or
directors who were considered untouchable within the industry?

(02:17:08):
And why were those people untouchable?
We have a joke that Kieran Lee must have pictures of the owners
doing some shit or he's got somehard evidence because it was the
only thing that would make sensefor him being just such a
fucking pain in the ass and still constantly having his job.
You know, we always would say Kieran has pictures.

(02:17:28):
He asked that pictures. So he was the only one I could
really see it. But but I mean, now from what I
hear, they kiss the performers asses so much because they need
them. They need their traffic crews.
They still treat like shit from what I gather, from what they
tell me. But like, yeah, they really like
sometimes some some sets don't even have money for food anymore

(02:17:51):
to feed people. Like that's how that's I'll tell
you it's gotten. Only for only fans that did it
destroy like these paid sites oror a they went parallel together
and grew. I think that was part of it.
You know, before the companies were making the money, the girls
would get it paid a one time feefor the scene.

(02:18:14):
Now they've got their only fans money.
So it, it did shift a little bit, the pendulum did shift.
But I think really what changed everything was all of the
allegations and all the claims of all the abuse and all the
videos that were on Pornhub unchecked and the big purge that
happened at the end of 2020, allof that really crippled them in

(02:18:37):
a big way. So the point where, you know, I
was trying to figure out where it all went wrong in 2020,
where, OK, how does the relationship that has been going
on 16 years at this point finally, like I'm discarded
like, like, like, like a, like afucking baby wipe in a porn
scene. You know what I mean?

(02:18:58):
Like that's, that's really how Ifelt.
And what I was realizing was there was something bigger going
on. And the book that, that I, that
I, that I, that I sometimes refer to this one, the takedown
book. I know this author, I've, I've
talked with her. She was the one who pretty much
brought it to national attention, the shit that Pornhub

(02:19:19):
was up to. And now they're dealing with
even more issues with the age verification.
So in some states now you can't even access Pornhub anymore.
So I think that really is is what is crippling most of the
pay sites now. If the adult entertainment
industry suddenly would cease toexist, they're out of nowhere to

(02:19:39):
what do you think would fill that void for the for people?
No, I'm not. Coming faster than we think.
So yes, because look at that, there's two types of people, the
organics and the ones that are OK with AI.
And I actually did a podcast with a guy who.

(02:20:02):
He, he, he had a an expert on who was in the AI realm.
And you know, when a user who was engaging with someone AI
that didn't know it know about it, they're their response was
was very negative. But a user who knew that they
were talking to a I was OK with it.

(02:20:23):
So you now let's let's think about that movie Blade Runner
2047, whatever it was, where Ryan Gosling has the digital
girlfriend, Anna de Armas. OK, we're not very far off from
that. We're not.
And I look at this where when Pornhub became a distressed
asset and when they sold to the 4th ownership in early 2023, I

(02:20:47):
was, I was wondering, I was like, why on earth would someone
buy this beleaguered brand even for pennies on the dollar?
And I was talking with my brother who is in data
harvesting. The first answer was for the
data. And I go, huh?
And he's like, yeah. He's like, imagine, you know
what a certain user wants, what their type is, what their search

(02:21:08):
is of why don't you create a digital girlfriend and for them?
And then you start thinking the possibilities are potentially
endless on this. And you have one big thing.
You don't have to deal with painin the ass porn stars anymore.
You don't have to worry about paying them anymore.
You don't have to worry about paying directors anymore.
And you don't have to worry about that blurred line of of

(02:21:30):
retracted consent after a scene is done.
Yeah, if I'm a business owner, I'm like, let's go into the AI
mode because fuck people cause they suck, you know?
Yeah, and they're not trustworthy.
They don't show up on time. They're they're they're in
different moods. It's like you got you had to
deal with that on a daily, creating these scenes all the

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time. Yeah, yeah.
AI has no ego. Was there ever an unwritten rule
in that industry? Like a wide practice you
completely disagree with. I think just really towards the
ends when the company was validating a performers, I guess

(02:22:12):
headspace of, you know, poweringthrough and not being, not being
able to articulate the words cutto me.
I thought it was very dangerous.I, I thought, you know what,
instead of making excuses why a performer can't speak up, how
about you? How about you don't shoot them?
How about? You explain to them how to say

(02:22:34):
it. Or either of those.
But I look at it like this, likenot everyone is cut out for it.
They're not. But you know, porn always
welcomes the broken. So they don't care.
They don't. And it's up to the producer on
the front line to make sense of it all.
And even if they try to do everything right, which is what
I always try to do, it's there's, it's, it's not

(02:22:54):
foolproof at all. And I like in your book you say
that. Well, I think you say this.
I find it stupid that a girl that's 18, like on the day of,
she can go and accept 3 BBC thatday and all chill and she signs
the papers and all good, but shecan't drink, not drinking for
another three years because thenyou're in the States.

(02:23:15):
It's like that. Isn't that fucking crazy?
Dude, you can you. You can't buy cigarettes at 18.
You can't buy booze at 18. You can go get killed in a war
at 18, but you know, or other but you you can, you can have
sex on on camera when you're immediately you turn 18 years
old, that's where I believe you know, maybe raise it to 21.

(02:23:38):
You know, if you're gonna work for the the studios studios like
I think if someone's working on their own platform, I think it's
actually not a bad idea. Try it out, try it out.
The only fans see if the business is for you, you know,
and if it is OK level U when you're 21 and start shooting
company porn. Because maybe if you made it

(02:23:59):
that far and you still you thinkit's for you, maybe you have a
way to make a career in this. But that's because you're a nice
guy. But most directors are
producers. They're gonna be like, if she
leaves here, I'm probably not gonna get that money from this
girl. So I let let's do her right away
to because there there's some that literally are sharks for
those 1819 year old girls get. Did you did you ever meet

(02:24:24):
anybody that does that? Those are public pickups and are
those really 100% real or it's always like a an actor to the
highest degree? Well, OK, with with what I was
doing, it was always staged. Always because you know, you
can't. You need to have the release
forms. It's not going to be organic.
And in the early parts of my career in early in in Vegas and

(02:24:48):
in in Florida, I was shooting inshopping malls and I was doing
the whole staged pickup thing, but it was all fake.
But now with the only fans and then doing all of these stunts,
who knows, man, who knows? Do you have a tricks personally
to not to not come fast? Yeah, yeah, Complicated math

(02:25:11):
problems or thinking that your favorite team is getting the
shit beaten out of them by your division rival.
You think about that stuff, you're not going to come.
At all Exactly. I tell most guys it's because I,
I think the era of most guys is that the girls on top of them
fucking riding him and he's in his head being like, Oh my God,

(02:25:33):
she's so hot. Oh, my God, Never thought a girl
like this were riding. Well, what you're doing, you're
amplifying the, the, the, the, the heat of the moment.
You're exciting your own self. And what's gonna happen?
You're gonna fucking come. And I, I learned that putting
your mind to something else so. Well, that helps.
So what I do is I concentrate onthe girl instead.

(02:25:53):
Look at her the whole time, OK? She likes this.
Oh, she, oh, this movement righthere.
And by doing that, you're so concentrated on of what every
movement of she's doing that youhave problems coming then.
So they literally fix it. So that math problem is quite
good cause a lot of guys are premature and beautiful girls
and they're like, I'm never gonna get her again.

(02:26:14):
Yeah, you fucked up bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, complicated math problems, cause it doesn't
matter what the answer is, as long as you're working it out in
the columns, in the rows, in your head, you're not going to
come. It's just not going to.
Happen. Exactly.
It's so mental, the job of a manthat there.
That's why it's so hard to stay,to stay hard during all this
pressure. You you said to intentionally

(02:26:36):
nuke the bridge so you couldn't go back.
What led you to that decision? And what's life been since
stepping away from all the lights and the glamour and the
squirt? Why did I nuke the bridge?
Well, so the company that I workfor obviously is the porn
monopoly. They own most of the things in
the business, therefore they canexert a lot of influence.

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And when things and between me and the company ended poorly,
well, I didn't really have many options within it.
You know, the porn industry has the memory of a goldfish.
If I really if I really wanted to come back and work for
another company, I probably could, but I would definitely be
making less money. But for me it was like, you know

(02:27:21):
what, if if you can't do anything else with your life,
then that's that's kind of a shame.
So again, you know, why nuke thebridge?
Well, so you can't go back at all.
And I think with a lot of thingsthat I reveal in the book, I
think a lot of the industry is not happy with me, but I don't

(02:27:42):
give a fuck at all. And some people are like, dude,
you're a fucking legend for whatyou did.
But, but, but I can't say it publicly because I don't want
the poor monopoly to, to come down on me and, and affect my
work. I mean, that's really it.
So, So what is it like now? I mean, it's, it's fucking
amazing, dude. It's amazing.
Like I, I think about what it would be like going back to work

(02:28:07):
and all the insanity and I, I just get stressed.
I'm like, and I think, how on earth did I do this for so long
and so well? And I mean, obviously the money
was, was a big motivator and, and the drugs helped too.
And I was good at the job. But now I look back and I was
like, I don't know how I sustained it for so long.

(02:28:29):
I really don't. It's it's quite a miracle that
I'm still here. I I saw that, yeah.
You did a documentary about yourlife or a movie, or you started
it. So what had happened was.
Something about this because I searched online and I couldn't
find out. Like what the fuck?
We have a trailer he's talking about like it exists, I think.
Yeah, so it's on my website. If you go to viclagina.com, you

(02:28:50):
can see the trailer. So this is what happened.
So, you know, obviously over thecourse of my career I had two
studios and I shot a lot of pornand movies that all ended the
same way with the O shot facial,whatever. 3792 of them.
Exactly. And my feeling was, you know,
from coming from a movie loving background and a production

(02:29:13):
background, I thought to myself,you know, if you had access to
all of these resources and you never shot one thing creative,
shame on you, dude. So So what happened was when I
realized that it was over, you know, even when I tried to after
Brazzers morph more onto the only fans shooting for girls and

(02:29:36):
only fans and linking U with an only fans management company, I
realized that the girls were just not motivated enough to go
to a studio to shoot that they. Were those people anymore?
Right. But I mean, but even to want to
have to put that much more back into the brands, the the
ambition was not there. So once I realized, OK, it's

(02:30:00):
over, the next move was OK, let's sell the building because
I didn't let anyone know that I bought that building.
Yeah, that's incredible. Well, because if the only way
you're going to keep a secret and porn is if you tell no one.
And the truth is the third ownership of of mind geek, they
were such cock suckers that theywould only want they, they

(02:30:21):
wouldn't want anyone to have anyleverage over them in any way,
shape or form. So my feeling was OK, they're
asking me to move studios into asmaller one.
So I do, but somehow I pulled itoff where I could buy this
studio and I'm going to have these motherfuckers that I
really don't like anymore pay mymortgage for, you know, however,
however long we can make this go.

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So that was my always, this is what's going to happen once it's
all over. So once I decided that, OK,
we're going to sell, I, I found a tenant to take over the
building. But before I did, I was like, I
need to shoot one thing for me. So I wrote a 70 page scripts,
about 6 days of a pornographer and I shot it over six days in

(02:31:08):
the studio and it was going to be like its own movie.
It really was. And I was ready to do all this
stuff and I gave it to an editor.
I didn't direct it. I started it, I produced it.
I wasn't the main character, theguy named James Duvall, who was.
Friends, how could you lose the main character when you are it?
Well, well, the whole thing was because I wanted to play someone

(02:31:30):
else and getting a Hollywood actor to play me, I thought was
kind of cool. And the, the guy who was Frank
the rabbit in Donnie Darko, he, he was interested in, in, in
playing me. So we did an over six days.
And once it was all done and I started clearing out the studio
and the tenant took over. I gave it to an editor and I was

(02:31:53):
waiting and waiting and waiting for him to give me a cut.
And I was being told he was coming soon.
And I'm sitting there twiddling my thumbs.
So while I was waiting, I decided, OK, let's finish the
book and let's make it really good.
And what I finally saw cut 18 months later.
I was very much underwhelmed, like it was.

(02:32:15):
Months. Later, 18 months later, I mean,
I told, I told the dude I was like, you don't have a time
limit. But I did tell him at a certain
point I go, look man, we're getting to the point where the
book is now the focus, right? And if I don't see something
soon, then this becomes irrelevant.
Yeah. So what I wound up doing was

(02:32:35):
instead of turning it into a movie, I decided just to make a
trailer for the book and mine all of the the gold because we
got some really good stuff in it.
So. So that's what the trailer is
that you find on viclagada.com, which is a trailer for the book,
which gives people a visual of what this could be in a movie

(02:32:58):
form or a TV show. That was really.
Do you think you're going to release it one day?
I don't know. I don't know.
I mean I. You could send it to another
editor, maybe he can create something great out of it.
Maybe if I could do a crowdfund where people people want to see
it. But the truth is after I was

(02:33:18):
looking at it, it, it, it seems to be more of something that if
I were to release it in short form, like with attention spans
nowadays, Yeah, yeah, let's makelike 12 minutes and let's do
like 5 or 66 installments. Let's do that.
And that's where I thought we were going to go with this one
editor, but he just decided he'slike, no, I just decided to put

(02:33:39):
this together and let me know your notes.
And this was like, the book is about ready to be released.
And I'm like, alright, I'm done with you.
And and so nothing ever came of it, but but the trailer for the
book, I'm I'm very. Proud of it.
Check it out. Was there a moment in your
career that you felt you were like, damn, we're doing

(02:34:00):
something really revolutionary in this industry, We're really
changing the game? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I felt that literally right before I moved to Vegas.
Like there was, there was something special in the air.
I couldn't explain it, but I wasbeing drawn to Vegas for some
reason because I I just had a feeling this was going to go

(02:34:23):
very well. And if I had played my cards a
little bit better, I would have angled for a piece of browsers
with the first ownership becauseI believe they would have given
it to me if I had making less money up front as a producer
instead of getting a scene rate.Yeah, give me less and give me a
piece. Because if I had done that when
they sold for 140, fucking $1,000,000, well, you know, I

(02:34:48):
would have been. I've been gone a long time ago.
Yeah, if you could go back and relive only one day in the
industry, what day would it be and why?
The day that I met my ex fiance and never would have gotten
involved with her in the 1st place.
Wow. Yep.
If if if I could like have the older self be like OK dude, yeah

(02:35:13):
OK hot, fine whatever. But save yourself three years of
fucking hassle. Just go beat off in the sink
right now. That's what I would have told my
younger self, you know? Are there any major cover ups
and scandals within the industrythat the public doesn't know
about? Cover ups, No, I I don't, I

(02:35:36):
don't really think so. I think, I think if there was
any cover ups or anything going on, it was before the age of
social media. You know, I think, I think what
happened was if there was ever any kind of instances on set
where nowadays would get blastedall of social media, I guess
that would be discouraged, was discourage back then.

(02:35:59):
You know, don't talk about it because it's going to affect
your work. If there's anything it would
have been that. But overall, no.
I mean that if there was, it waswell before my time.
What's the most extreme measuresproduction company took to keep
a a shoe or a performer scandal free?

(02:36:19):
I don't know. What I saw in your book, I heard
in your book, you realize that they're ready to blackball
people quite fast. They're one that Marcus, one of
your best actors, male. It's like there's this girl that
didn't like how it went, but shedidn't say shit the whole time.
And then all the other companieslike Black Mulham, so they

(02:36:41):
literally choked the guiler. So you're choking to death if if
you're not signing him again, That's crazy.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
So sure, I, I think there was, you know, claims of abuse of
performers where, you know, Marcus Dupree was, was front and
centre in all of this. But I will still say to this
day, he was the strongest and best performer I ever shot.

(02:37:06):
And I think, you know, at this point in time, I wouldn't allow
an abuser on my set. Exactly.
I think what would happen is he was Russian.
Have you ever dealt with Russians before?
No. OK, they're very
straightforward, very honest andvery boom.
And and I'm OK with that becauseI'm the same way.
So me and him vibed and I trusted him implicitly with

(02:37:30):
implicitly with, with with shoots like, OK, you know, you,
you know a better position. You're going to give me high
energy all the time. So I'm going to trust you with
it. And I knew early on that it was
better for me to pair him with girls who loved working with him
and liked his style. What wound up happening was the
company would try to shoehorn a girl in with him.

(02:37:55):
And that's usually when things went wrong because because they
felt like, you know, he was too rough or too aggressive.
But they're not the ones speaking up about it.
You know, is there idea that that you've been thrown by the
upper people that were directingeverything from the top that you
were like, no, no, we ain't fucking doing that.

(02:38:17):
Yeah, yeah. I think there was like concepts
sometimes where I'm like, this is a liability.
Someone can get hurt. Or if there was a particular
performer that I thought was mentally unstable, I think this
is a bad idea. I'm not gonna do it.
There was a website. So this is when, and This is why
I believe that the owners, the third owners knew exactly what

(02:38:38):
they were doing with Pornhub wasthey were understanding that
some of the things being searched on Pornhub were really
dark. OK.
And around 2009 there was a request.
This is when I moved into my first studio where they wanted
to have, I still have the document.

(02:39:00):
It's probably printed out right over there.
It was called a website. They were going to call.
Shame on her. Which is basically a girl that's
either like 2 inebriated and it's all supposed to be a
performance and guys take advantage of her.
And I'm like, no, I'm not gonna do this because this is rape and
this is. Intentional.

(02:39:20):
Nonconsensual. Like, like you, you're, you're,
you're, you're doing everything that you're supposed to, getting
ideas, getting releases. It's a performance, but I didn't
like where it was going and mostof the producers rejected it.
Now eventually what would happen, it devolved into a scene
called Pornstar punishment, which which was it was active

(02:39:44):
for a couple of years, but it started to get some some bad
attention and bad press. So they cut it and you know,
this was this is what they were going for at certain point in
time. Now the porn star punishment I
was a little more at ease with because when you are dealing
with certain performers who legitimately say they have rape

(02:40:07):
fetishes and they like rough sex.
OK, OK, I guess you can, you canjustify it to a certain extent.
And you're and you're doing whatthey're doing at kink, right?
You're doing these long, extensive interviews about how
much they love it in their personal life and exit
interviews as well. But again, you're you're you're
pushing it a little bit. And I think that was their goal

(02:40:29):
up top to. Push it.
Right. See where, until where they
could go. Right, right.
But, but I mean, after a while, like thankfully they had to put
that, that right to rest and butI I still have all the raw
footage of all that stuff I do. Wow, guys, Yeah, you said at the
beginning of the audio. How many terrors of shit do you

(02:40:51):
have? 100 terabytes of of of raw
footage, yeah. So much footage.
People. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I mean, and most of it was like high definition.
It wasn't 4K, which is 4 times in size, you know.
Yeah. So from all the years in this
business, who stood out as the most fascinating a performer or

(02:41:13):
personality and why? I I really like Jordan Ash.
You know, he's no longer with us.
He died of a brain tumor in 2020.
But I mean, you know, between him, Charles Dera, they were
guys that they knew their job, they were good at their job.
They knew their assignment to come in, fuck the whole figure

(02:41:36):
it out and you know, and, and bea professional.
So I, I talk about Jordan, obviously, because he's dead
and, and I started with him. We both started at the same time
in Florida, and we both kind of rose up together.
Yeah. But he, he was, he was, he was,
he was something else. I mean, when we did the Fear and

(02:41:57):
Loathing in Las Vegas parody, I mean, he was Raoul Duke.
He was playing Hunter S Thompson.
And the dude literally shaved this part of his head to, to
like, really be legit. And I'm like you, you.
You are the man. You're dedicated.
A lot I like. You.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Somebody like you that's been deeply embedded in this industry

(02:42:17):
or what advice would you have toperformers or directors that
just starting out, like you said, a bit a beginning that
like performers need to really know what the fuck they're
getting into. But for somebody that really
wants to direct it or or be a cameraman in this industry.
Well, I would tell them I I don't think there's a lot of

(02:42:38):
money in it anymore. If they really want to do this,
that they should consider being the producer slash performer,
assuming they're OK being a performer.
But if they just want to be crew, I'll be like, man, you're
not going to make a lot of moneyand it's going to be hard.
Do do most people in cruise of porn like back then like wanted

(02:43:00):
to be more in film and ended up in porn?
Yeah, yeah, I, I think everyone,they took a wrong term, turn
somewhere like I did, and they ended up here, you know?
Uh, what's something that you learned and working in the adult
entertainment industry that you unexpectedly, unexpectedly help

(02:43:21):
that you every in your everyday life?
Like something we learned in that porn industry.
Let me just running a business, running a business that's above
board, you know, being compliantwith, with state and local
ordinances, all of that stuff. It's it's it was it was really a
crash course in running a legit business.

(02:43:44):
So yeah, I did it. And to be honest with you, to
be, you know, I wouldn't want togo back to it because the work
ethic of the younger generation just isn't there anymore.
Another part is fucking and shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and here's the thing
too, like I was, I was a hyper focused beast when it came to my

(02:44:05):
job, you know, and I wouldn't expect anyone to be on that
level as I would. But I would say, you know what,
just meet me in the middle. Can you just meet me in the
middle and I will get you to thefinish line.
And when they could, it was great.
But a lot of them couldn't, you know?
I I saw that there's two scenes in particular that you are very

(02:44:25):
proud of the gang that makes a porno and always sending in
Philadelphia. Well, it's the same 1, you know,
so so so the the the people. Are you so proud of this one?
But because I'm a fan of the show and because I'm from
Philadelphia. But this was a digital
playground feature and features in porn sucked to shoot.

(02:44:48):
OK, Because usually the conceptswere so bad they were so poorly
written. You know, like, no one's
watching porn for the fucking story and the acting, even
though, right, Even though the performers really enjoy doing
that part. They did.
Yeah. But you know, a feature is a
House of Cards where you're trying to shoot something over

(02:45:10):
three or four days, and porn stars sometimes have to drop out
for a variety of reasons, and you're trying to keep this
cohesive story together, Right. With Always Sunny in
Philadelphia, everyone wanted tobe there.
They're all happy to be there and every day was so smooth and,
you know, we turned our whole soundstage into Patty's Pub, you

(02:45:32):
know, and, and it was just a a very fun four or five days of
shooting this feature that went very well.
And so I was proud of it. I thought it was it was the best
thing I. Did to go check it out and it's
it's really well well made. I got five more if that's OK
for. You sure?
Sure, Absolutely. OK, perfect.

(02:45:54):
How did you deal with criticism or public perception of your
work? Did you ever feel judged or for
being in the industry or what you were creating?
I didn't really care what peoplethought about my work, you know
what I mean? I thought there was a certain
point in time where, you know, there was a lot of competition

(02:46:14):
between directors within browsers.
And because I was there from thevery beginning and I helped
build this thing, there was a lot of ego involved.
And so I was a little overly protective about that for some
reason that I thought was important at that point in time.
But there was a certain point, Ithink it was probably after
Jamie died, where, you know what, I was like, I don't give a

(02:46:36):
fuck what anyone thinks anymore.I just don't.
If I'm talking to someone and they ask me what I do and I tell
them and they are disgusted thatthat's their problem.
But most people were like, wow, I've got so many questions like
you do. As a freaking as a frequent
guest on major shows, uh, what'sthe most common question or

(02:46:57):
assumption people bring up aboutyour time in the adult industry?
That I probably have a very fucked up sex life that I need
to do some real extreme shit in order to get turned on.
Which is completely not true at all.
It didn't really affect my sex life.
I mean, I try to think about it.No, it didn't affect my sex life

(02:47:18):
because, you know, you, you likewhat you like.
And I didn't have to, you know, push it really hard in order to
get turned on. I never did so.
So that is always the assumption.
Uh, what's the creative idea forscene or production and that you
wanted but never got the chance to do?
I wanted to do like a Harold andKumar, they could portal kind of

(02:47:43):
thing. With the funny.
It could have been funny, but the problem was, well, twofold
#1 finding an Indian porn star and finding a good Asian porn
star. That was troublesome.
But the whole thing is, you know, there are potheads and you
can't do drugs in porn. So it was an idea that I was
never able to. Explain, but you can't use like

(02:48:05):
what they use in movies for props.
For no, no, because, because, because it was a compliant.
Like if I told you, if I told you some of the things that we
weren't allowed to do for compliance reasons, you'd be
like, what the fuck? Now, I think they, they
lightened the rules over time. But if a girl was like like
under hypnosis, you know that that's not legal because she's

(02:48:28):
not, she's not in the the frame of mind that she should be.
You know, there, there was a whole laundry list that I, I do
get to in the book that I was like, I don't even know what
we're doing anymore, but OK, let's I'll work through this.
How do some porn sites they can write as a title father banging
his daughter and other sites came and say that so that

(02:48:50):
they're like not father bangs, not stepdaughter.
And like, why do sites have regulation And some like it's
like fucking a free for all of the crazy shit like you're in
the dark web, but you're not. You're just on the A side that's
not Pornhub. So when before I moved out to LA
or Vegas, there was a site that I was shooting for called Moms

(02:49:13):
Teaching Teens and it it was, itwas implied mother daughter, but
the owner of that site was you can't do that because incest is
illegal. So you just go with the moniker
Moms Teaching teens. I think the bigger the brands
and the bigger the company, the more they had to be cognizant of
the rules where you have to establish it's stepfather,

(02:49:37):
stepdaughter. And here was the interesting
part. We couldn't, like you had to
establish in the storyline that this was something that was
recent, like it was a recent marriage and a recent
stepdaughter. Like it couldn't be like I've
watched you grow up all throughout these years.
You couldn't do that. So there were rules.
There were definite rules. Yeah, I never thought about

(02:49:59):
that, but yeah, that is so true.I never saw a scene like that,
that they said that they know each other for years.
It's always like a new step daughter.
Yeah, that's so true. I never realized.
That yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the reason, absolute
reason. If someone wanted to create a
fictional series based on your life, what would be the title?
Filthy. Absolutely, stick with it.

(02:50:22):
The anniversary. Healthy.
Absolutely. Yeah.
So what's next for you, and do you see yourself exploring other
creative industries, or do you plan to continue speaking out
about your experiences in the porn world?
I'm definitely gonna continue speaking.
You know, the the podcast circuit is a fun one.
I love the fact that I could just do this from the comfort of

(02:50:43):
my house as well. Although I do, I do like like
sitting in with people at times.But what comes next?
Well, I'm going to continue promoting this book.
What I learned at a book convention in Vegas last month
was I need to make more product.And it seems to me that people
want to know about those storiesin the trenches, you know, the

(02:51:06):
things when a day went sideways.So the project for 2025 is to
create a bunch of essays about specific ones, because there's
still gold in those. Hills for sure.
Yeah, yeah. So, so I think I'll, I'll
continue doing that. But but right now, I mean, you
know, you've got there's a couple of producers out there

(02:51:28):
kicking the tires on the book and seeing the what can it be?
And to be honest with you, if I got back into production, if
this thing was becoming like a real thing about a real story in
the porn industry, I would love that because every execution of
it just doesn't ring true to me.It rings a little hollow and
conjured up. But here's a real story about a

(02:51:50):
dude who experienced all these things but had a front row seat
to the company that changed the entire industry, their rise, and
you can argue their fall as well.
And I think that's compelling. So hopefully, you know, I'll
just keep putting the good vibesout there that maybe one day
this will come to fruition. I'm sure it will.

(02:52:11):
Looking back at your career, do you think the adult
entertainment industry is betteror worse now than when you
started, and how do you feel about that?
It's better from the perspectives of the performers
because I think there's more people looking out for them now
because of all the hot water of the blurred lines of consent

(02:52:33):
that have. Happened, now you got the porn
union. Well, they have the porn union,
but it doesn't really have any, doesn't have any teeth.
To it. It's not like the work union and
and. You, you can't because these
people are not employees of of acompany.
They are independent contractors.
So there's no teeth there. But from the perspective of the

(02:52:54):
companies not making all the money anymore and it's more
shifted to performers, I like that more because the performers
are the ones on the front line. They are the ones who are
risking their health by having unprotected sex on camera,
despite how much testing is going on.
But from what the company I worked for did, I mean they did

(02:53:17):
make it for the worse as well for a long period of time.
Will that is that pendulum shifting back to where the
companies are making less and performers are making more Sure,
until we go back into what I mentioned earlier, AI.
Once that happens, I think that's going to be when the
pendulum goes the other. Way because AI is big now and

(02:53:39):
hand tie as well. Like those fights are blowing
up. Like Lara Croft was one of the
most searched persons in the porn industry and she's not
real. It's fucking crazy where we're
going. So working everybody find that
your work and your social mediasand.
You're so so if you go, I'm onlyon X and I'm only on Instagram.

(02:54:01):
So at Vic Lagina, but go to viclagina.com.
Watch the trailer at least for the porn star boobies that you
see in it. But but for there, you know, you
can figure out which way you want to go.
Do you want to read the print copy?
Because the truth is, you know, putting together a book like
this, it's not as easy as just writing it.

(02:54:21):
You know, you've got the cover, you've got the inside design.
I mean, I learned all this stuffand I had to do it in a way
where I wanted to be sure that if I'm putting this out myself
that it doesn't look self published.
So I put a lot of resources intoit because I was able to because
I, you know, saved my money. So if you like print books, I
recommend it. It's on Amazon.

(02:54:43):
If you like Kindle, it's on Amazon as well.
You seem to really enjoy the audio book.
I tell I tell people if you wantto have a more fun interactive
way to go, do the audio book. I don't think you'll be
disappointed. You seem to really enjoy it and
I appreciate you taking the timeto go through it.
But go to Vic Lagina. It'll direct you all over the

(02:55:04):
place to to where to get. It perfect.
For sure. I was going to take the time you
were taking the time to come on my podcast that I don't have a
million subscribers like Joe Rogan and for sure you were
huge. So I'm like, it's my pleasure,
honestly, to take that time and it it took like four or five
hours to write those questions and me it's that giving back for

(02:55:26):
you to come on or I that's why Iappreciate it so much.
So thanks for coming on the podcast and I'll see you guys
next week.

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