RED Episode 306 Michael Leslie’s Chicago and NYC Marathon Double in 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, this is Mike, also known as Run Dizner, proud
member of the Runcation Nation.
You are listening to the RunEat Drink podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Welcome to episode 306 of theRun Eat Drink podcast.
I'm your host, amy, and I'm notsolo this week, because we have
a Runcation recap, part one ofan interview packed full of tips

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and inspiration with Run DiznerMichael Leslie.
We reached out to him when wesaw back in 2024 that he did not
one, but two marathon majorswithin the span of two months.
He did Chicago and New York andwe had to talk to him about
both of them, comparing them,contrasting them for the run,

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the eats, the drinks, theexploration, the indulgence all
of it in those two big AbbottWorld Marathon majors.
We thank him and his lovelywife for giving us the time for
such a generous amount of time.

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Michael, thank you for comingback on the show.
You're such a great person tochat with, inspiring, and we
can't wait to share thisinterview.
It's fantastic for your longrun and we can't think of a more
appropriate week to startsharing this with you than the

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week that includes Patriots Day.
That includes the BostonMarathon.
So, to begin our shout outs, wewould like to wish the best of
luck to anyone who is going torun for a charity run.
And you got in that race, thatworld marathon, major, that
Boston marathon for your agegroup and your pace and time,

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applause, cheering section,right here from the Runcation
Nation, the Running DrinkPodcast Towers, and we wish you
the best of luck, the best of arace experience, the best of
accomplishing, exploring andindulging.
Especially and specificallyshouting out to Marco Chassetto.

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He's an inspirational figure.
We can't wait to watch himconquer the Boston Marathon
course in 2025, learn all aboutit, watch the magic happen.
Every time he runs a race,there is an inspirational nugget
at the finish line and we can'twait to get that for you.

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In addition to that shout out,we also have a couple of happy
birthday wishes.
Dawn be joyful on Instagram.
She did an 11 miler on herbirthday too.
Thanks, dawn, for all yoursupport and love in this very
difficult year, and we cannotwait to accomplish, explore and
indulge with you at a racereally soon.
We could say the same thing forSusie.

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Susie Beck, the queen of thefirst class upgrade on her
runcation destination halfmarathon 50 states adventures.
So happy birthday this pastweek to Susie Beck.
Both ladies are patrons of theshow.
Susie, we love to see you andyour drive and positivity.

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We can't wait to see youachieve your 50 states goal in
Hawaii and toast to that feelingDarlene spirit there with you
as you enjoy a Bloody Marytoasting both of you and your
accomplishments.
Dawn, we can't wait to skip,hop, jump and dance straight
through a course with you.
Jojo, welcome to your birthdaymonth.

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It may not be your birthday yet, but we just love you.
You are our mama bird.
Just like Jessica said when sheand Eric came on to recap big
beach, we couldn't do it withoutyou.
You are a protector.
You look over us, you watch forus, you take care of all of us
and you're even a member of thecoffee crew, even though you

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don't like coffee.
You send me memes all the time,so I can't thank you enough.
Ladies.
Your birthday month cheers toyou and everyone else in the
Runcation Nation that has a longrun distance.
They're accomplishing a racedistance, a fundraising goal

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this month.
They just opened Miles forMoffitt registration.
It's going to be the 20thanniversary.
It's happening in November of2025.
I have got to honor my father'slegacy there.
We will put out a link for youto join our team or donate or
support us.
By sharing that link, you knowwhere my heart is with this and

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I love my dad.
I know he's watching and I wantto make him proud.
So if you want to shout out foryou or someone else birthdays,
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And now, before we get to this,chicago Marathon and New York
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And now, without further ado,it's Run Diz Nerd and his
Chicago and NYC double.
Let's kick it off.
We welcome Michael Leslie tothe Run Eat Drink podcast.
I have to say thank you foryour patience.
We had this planned back inJanuary and then my father's

(10:13):
illness took over.
He passed away from stage fournon-Hodgkin's lymphoma and I had
to put it off.
Thank you for being sosupportive and sending
encouragement when that happenedand for being flexible around
all of your big events between2024 and 2025.

(10:37):
It's been crazy for you.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, honestly, I went through a similar thing A
lot of people don't know.
A week before the marathon in2019, before the disney marathon
, my father passed away suddenly, heart attack.
God, I basically had to changeeverything.
I had to cancel my flights.
I was still living in boston atthe time.
Oh, cancel my flights, cancelmy run disney actually run.
Disney gave me a refund,mind-blowing yeah.

(11:03):
And then fast forward a yearlater, my mother passed from
cancer, so I can relate in aweird way, like having to go
through unexpected speed bumpsyeah, I don't know I feel for
you.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Thank you for your patience.
We're talking about chicago andnew york.
I so wanted.
Anna runs I.
I so not Anna runs on coffee,but yes, because I wanted to
have the three of you on.
Anna runs on coffee and Aaronfrom the will run, for I totally
wanted to have the three of you, and because she is a native

(11:37):
who has run the Chicago marathonso many times, and then because
of Aaron being at New York withyou.
Yeah, I so did, but so shoutout to those ladies I'm happy to
have you here now and thank youfor being a patron and a
supporter of our show.
People didn't catch your firstepisode, which you totally
should, for the London Marathon.

(11:58):
Just amazing.
Can you give new listeners?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
let's say who you are where you're, from what you're
drinking Right now it's post-runcoffee, although I do have a
little St Patrick's Day Harp, alittle harp lager for later, yes
, in my Chewbacca koozie.
Keep it cool.
So I am originally fromMassachusetts, now in Orlando,
via Salem, massachusetts, toOrlando, florida.
I looked at the calendar and Ijust realized I'm going to be 49

(12:28):
a week from Tuesday.
I'll be 49 this month At all.
No, picked up running a littleunder 10 years ago and got this
itch two years back that I waslike, oh, I want to run the
majors and that's where I guessmy journey's taken me, from
Boston to London and then so onand so forth.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
So what motivated you to want to tackle all the
majors?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, at the end of each race, if you get an
official finish, you get a star,and for me, it was.
I wanted to run Boston becausethat's hometown race.
Always wanted to do it.
It's just to me, it's the goldstandard of marathons.
I've volunteered it, I'vewatched it.
So I was like I got to do it.
It's just to me, it's the goldstandard of marathons.
I've volunteered it, I'vewatched it.
So I was like I got to run it.
I ran Boston in 2023 for DanaFarber and got my start.

(13:13):
I was like, oh man, I wonder ifI can do all these.
And that's where theconversation in my head started
going.
Right after Boston, I think Iwas probably having Chinese food
and Mai Tais and saying youknow what I think?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Chinese food and Mai Tais.
That's the way to have an epicmeal, a celebration, and just
decide you're going to tackleall of the marathon majors.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Why not?
What's the worst that canhappen?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a big commitment , yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
And it's hard on everyone around you too, Like I
think that's one thing peopledon't realize sometimes.
When you put goals like thisout into the ether, you have to
realize that it affects yourfamily, it affects you, it
affects your workplace, itaffects everything.
Like my wife is a saint forputting up with me through all
of this.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
And what is your wife's name?
For those who haven't heard youon the show before.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Her name is Kelly.
She's probably off with thecats.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
And she's a mathematician, she is a
professor, a teacher.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
She's a math professor, she's super smart.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
She's like my dad.
I don't know what happened tome, but I totally missed the
math genes in my family, so I'min awe of people like Kelly.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Like I got to listen to her lecture online.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
How was that.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Everything went right over my head Using variables,
and I'm like you know what.
I'm going to go over here andI'll watch YouTube.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I guess you have to figure out because, to your
point, like you have to finishwithin the parameters of all of
the marathon majors.
Did she help you?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
figure that out.
No, she leaves the running partto me.
As far as figuring out the pace, I'd been running long enough
to know, okay, I have to hit xper mile distance.
It is, so that part of itwasn't hard.
Boston was a little trickybecause they're not super clear
like chicago, new york.
New york is great because theyleave the finish line open all

(15:02):
night long, like there werepeople coming in that were out
there for 10 hours.
I don't know if there werepeople coming in that were out
there for 10 hours.
I don't know if they got a star, but they were out there for 10
hours.
Um and Chicago uh has anextended finish line to Boston.
They they roll it up prettyquickly.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
They're like we're done.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
We want to talk about being done.
They shut the streets downduring the race.
They have cutoff points and Ifyou don't hit the cutoff, they
pull a thing across the road andyou're done.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So you had New York, you had London, you have Chicago
, you have Tokyo.
Is Tokyo the only one thatyou've done so far that had like
those cut points, like you mustbe here by nine something am.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Tokyo was very rigid.
They put you in corrals.
But compared to Chicago and NewYork, they had the corral
system, but when that gun goesoff, everyone goes.
It's a rolling start.
In Chicago they'd send a wave,wait a few minutes, send a wave.
Same thing with New York.
Actually, they didn't line mycorral up until the one before

(16:03):
us was completely gone.
Then they moved us into theshoot, which I thought was cool
because you have the whole thingto yourself yes, that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So we've asked you to come on the show you swiggin um
, because we saw that you havethe goal of getting all of the
marathon majors, which would besix of them.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Correct, technically seven if you count Sydney.
But I've been told I'm notrunning Sydney.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's a huge commitment.
As far as travel, time off andexpenses, there's nothing cheap
to Australia.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
And everything over there is trying to kill you.
Yeah, that too.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
If you're in the outback, I guess you're not on
the streets of a marathon, or Idon't know could be a dingo,
come get you.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay in the timing of it, I guess, because they are
all lotteries when you're in youbetter make the commitment
right.
And so somehow the starsaligned to have you accepted not
only in new york but in chicagoin the same year chicago was a

(17:16):
charity bid I got in through.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I ran with the mda muscular.
I was running in honor of myfriend's son who passed through
a rare form.
His name was Ben.
I never got to meet him but itwas a huge impact on my friend's
life and I thought it would bea nice gesture to run in his
honor through Team MDA.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Wow, so you actively made the choice.
It was not that you got thelottery on both.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
So in Chicago you got a charity bib, and then in New
York you got through thesecondary lottery through the
New York Roadrunners.
So what's the secondary lottery?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
So if you're an NYRR member, your name goes in twice,
so it's like a secondary poll.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh, you are part of the New York Roadrunners.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, and actually it's a cheaper entrance fee,
entry fee, race fee.
So for me it was, I think,$2.55, because I was a member of
the Roadrunners.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
So $2.55 to register for the New York City Marathon.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And I think it's $3.10 if you're out of the
country.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, if you're international or if you're not a
member of the New YorkRoadrunners, correct.
If you're in the New YorkRoadrunners, does that make it
more of a possibility thatyou'll get in?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You have different options.
Through New York Roadrunnersyou have the straight draw,
which everyone throws their namein the lottery.
They also have other programs.
You can run the virtual NewYork City Marathon and then next
year you get in to the marathon.
They also have the 9 plus 1program where you volunteer and
run a combination of 9 plus 1and that gets you in, you in.

(19:06):
There's different avenues toget into the race.
Compared to London where youhave international travel
charity or drawing, new York hasroadrunners charity drawing
qualify.
So there's a lot of ways to getinto the New York City Marathon
, which is really cool.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Anna runs on coffee.
She talked about a friend ofhers that did the virtual.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yep, it's getting harder to get into the virtual
itself.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Because people realize it's a great way.
If you're not ready for thisyear and you're like, okay, I'm
going to do this next year, I'lljust run the virtual this year.
Take my time, all you have todo is finish it.
There's no time cap on thevirtual.
So if you decided to go out oneday and run like an eight-hour
marathon, you still get yourentry next year.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
That would be me.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's a big day, nine or ten or whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, it is, but to register for that.
New York City, the virtual isintense, you say.
It's not run disney intense,but it's pretty intense so you
got to be there when they openthe registration multiple
devices I've never done multipledevices for new york city,

(20:18):
because they put you in awaiting room, they put you in a
waiting room.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, it's honestly a little bit quicker than run
disney.
As far as the process to getlogged on, to get in, the cool
thing is, if you have an accountwith them, get in the waiting
room, sign in.
All your information is pulledso you don't have to fill in all
the stuff that's so much easieryes, you don't have to worry

(20:43):
about all the other.
I forgot this, so I have to goback.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, wait a minute, because I did that, I didn't get
in and do you want all thismerch and the clock's ticking?
Other people are registering.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And New York does merch right, and that was one
thing I wanted to talk aboutwith them.
So you don't order any merchwhen you register, new Balance
puts it on their website.
Everybody can see it.
So, like you can order yourfinisher's jacket, you can order
your hats, your singlets.
I ordered it and then I had itin my bag as I was going to New
York, so you receive it, sosuper easy.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So you order it, receive it, have it, wear it,
yep.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I kept it in the package.
I had my jacket in the package.
I had my finisherisher jacketready to go.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
And the shirt that you're wearing that says run New
York City.
Was that part of the merch?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
This was really cool.
One of the Nike stores in NewYork City was doing a pop-up.
They were doing custom printing.
The back of the shirt has allthe boroughs going down the back
Super cool.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, that was one thing about New Yorkork it was
always something going on everyday oh okay, so you got in via
secondary lottery to new york,and so secondary lottery means
you were a member of the newyork roadrunners and then you
entered the lottery yeah, like Imissed.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I didn't get the first one, got the second loop
around.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh, okay, so if you're a member of the
Roadrunners, you can say I'mgoing to do the lottery, and
then they pull the it'sbasically the same day.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
You either get in and then you're like, okay, second
chance, and then they pullthrough again.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
So, whether you do it , whether you get in the first
or second, you find out at thesame time.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, and then they charge a credit card right away.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Did you see the credit card charge first?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
No, I saw the email first, the credit card one.
It's funny.
I know someone that was in forChicago and he didn't get the
email and then he all of asudden got a notification from
his credit card that had beencharged like hey, I got into
Chicago.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's a way to find out.
Okay, so we talked about theway you got into New York and
what was the charity processlike for Chicago.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
It was pretty seamless.
They have their lists.
It's not a huge list.
Compared to Boston or New York,chicago is a shorter list.
I reached out, filled out theform, explained my why and why I
wanted to run with them.
They got back to me and I thinkit was a couple of days, got
back hey, we'd like to inviteyou.
These are our guidelines.
This is the fundraising minimum.

(23:13):
My fundraising for Chicago wasonly $1,750.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, $1,750.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
So compare that to Boston, when I had to raise
$10,000.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Huge difference.
Wow, huge difference.
Yeah, what's really cool is notonly are they great to get you
registered and do the wholeprocess, but they're checking in
on you all the time and stillfollow my social media, like the
other day when I posted aboutTokyo, I get a congratulations
message from the MDA Association.
I was like, okay, these guysare super cool.

(23:45):
It's a great support system.
It was an easy process.
It didn't feel as daunting asBoston.
Like Boston, you have to give acomprehensive plan of how
you're going to raise your money.
With Dana-Farber it was reallyserious.
I had to give them the amount Iwas going to raise, what I was
going to do to get there.
This is my plan.
This is how I plan to get A, b,c and D.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I didn't have to do that with Did you have to tell
them in any way how you weregoing to raise the funds or?

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I gave them an overview.
I have a lot of friends thatknow why I'm running and I
knocked the cover off.
I got it really quickly.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Did you mostly through friends and family or
did you end up doing things like?
We see people who do silentauctions and we've done one Just
friends and family.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I am so thankful for everyone that stepped up.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
That is awesome and it's so meaningful when you're
running and everything fallsinto place for that purpose.
So what made you decide to dothem back to back?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It was at first.
It was like thinking to myselfcan I run X amount in a year?
So go back to 2024.
At the beginning of the year Iran the Disney marathon and then
I ran London.
Then it was like, can I do twomore?
Because in my brain I'm like,if I run Chicago, I'll have
trained all the way throughsummertime leading into the fall
, so I'll be race fit by ChicagoNew York's only a few weeks

(25:08):
later.
All I have to do is maintainthat fitness and I should be
good In my head.
I have enough time to recover,but not too much time where I
lose fitness.
Yeah, so that's when theChicago-New York thing came into
my mind.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
When you told people about it, what were their
reactions?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
First question is always why?
Why?
I said, why not?
The goal is to get all six andwhy not try to be as aggressive
as possible?
I ran three majors in one year.
I decided it was going to be anaggressive year.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's a big time commitment.
It's a commitment on friendsand family around you for work,
to get time off plus thefundraising.
Thank you to your friends andfamily around you for work, to
get time off Plus thefundraising.
Thank you to your friends andfamily for supporting.
There's a lot in the process,in the thought process, in terms
of training, fundraising.
You have to be also healthy.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, I didn't have any setbacks with injury.
I made the conscious decisionto stick with and continue my
Galloway customized trainingNice and Coach Twiggs laid out
this plan of okay, this is whatwe're going to do and this is
how we're going to get there.
It's really easy when you canlog on and look and say, okay,

(26:22):
this is what I have to do thisweek.
I do A, B, C, D.
Yeah, Back in the day you wouldget the race calendar and you
have to figure how many days amI?
Yeah, With customizedespecially too.
Like I had like vacations.
And he's like, okay, you're notrunning this week because
you're going to be here.
And I took a cruise and he'slike can you run?

(26:42):
I'm like, yeah, I can run, I'mon a boat, but I think I ran
five miles on the boat, Miles ona boat, but I think I ran five
miles on the boat Miles on theboat.
Yeah, I know, wow, it was aDisney cruise and then I ran the
Castaway 5K.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I've never been on a cruise so I have no idea how
that would be, but it's goodthat he alters the plan
according to your life.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I think that is the huge benefit people overlook
with that program is you reallydo customize it to your life.
It's not customized based juston the race.
If it's like I can't do longruns on Saturdays, he's not
going to put long runs onSaturdays.
My long runs are always onSundays.
That's just how my life is andthat's how I like my week to go.

(27:24):
If I didn't hit a workoutbecause I had a little funky
thing in my leg and I was like Idon't want to hurt myself, I
would just put a note in theworkout, had some cramping
issues, had a knee issue, andyou adjust and maybe back off on
something we don't do speedwork, maybe we just do some
cross training.
You got to have a plan andhaving that support system.

(27:48):
For something as big as a yearthat you had is essential it
started in January maybe startedbefore January because I was
training going into the Disneymarathon that year and then it
just went all the way through.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And you had customized the entire time.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
It was great because he scheduled my downtime for
recovery runs and stuff likethat.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh, so we had our auction for the Donna Marathon
weekend.
Mm-hmm, chris came on our show.
He made a fabulous drink inhonor of the Donna Marathon
weekend.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I remember that episode.
I think I have the recipesomewhere.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
He's in the.
What does he call it?
What does he call it?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
His bar with all the rum, oh the aid station.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
The aid station.
Yes, his bar with all the roomstation.
The aid station yes, he callsit the aid station and he's
doing this fabulous pink drip.
He's like a mixologist too andI just and he was, he and Jeff
so generous to give like a sixmonth plan away to raise money
for the Donna foundation.
They're such great people, soknowledgeable, and it gives you

(28:49):
that customized try.
I know you say you feel like aspokesperson, but we always talk
about it and love Jeff andCoach Twiggs, chris, it gives
you a community of support.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's the other side of it too.
Yeah, is you have that supportsystem, whether it's through the
Zoom meetings or the Facebookgroup, people holding other
people accountable, picking youup when you got to have that,
especially, like you said, likea six months, that's a training
block for a marathon.
Yeah, if someone, whoever wonthat could easily use that

(29:19):
support system to get themselvesready for a marathon.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, or a challenge race.
Does he do triathlons?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I used it for Dopey when I did Dopey a few years
back.
So I set up for challenges.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I should ask him that .
I'm going to ask him that thenext time that we talk or he
comes on the show, you had thetraining in place so you felt
like you could make the decisionand be healthy to make it to
each start line and recover, andyou had the support you needed.
Yep, how about the planning interms of lodging and travel for

(29:53):
your dog?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Travel was a hiccup for Chicago because of a
hurricane.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Hurricane Milton.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, so I had to fly out the day before I was
originally scheduled to leave,just so I could get ahead of the
hurricane and actually get toChicago.
So I had to change my flight,stay at a hotel next to the
airport and then move on to myhotel.
I like to book my hotels way inadvance.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Always smart for big opportunities like this.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, and I try to pick hotels that are either the
host hotel or something that'sclose to the start line for
chicago.
I stayed at the downtown hilton.
It's right on michigan ave,nice walking distance to the
start line.
It was also the host hotel.

(30:40):
I was seeing elite runners andoh yeah, like the swiss silver
bullet was in my elevator andI'm like, oh my God, this is
amazing.
I saw Chris Nickick.
He was there.
It was really cool and Chicagoand New York are similar.
In New York, I stayed at theuptown downtown Hilton, the host
hotel.
Both were in great areas whereyou could walk to everything.

(31:05):
When I was in Chicago, I bookedmy flight, booked my hotel and
then, before I left, I booked acity pass which gave me access
to museums, architecture, tours,aquariums, so I was booking

(31:25):
stuff ahead of time for Chicago.
It was like 180 bucks and I gotto go to many things.
There are things that I justdidn't do because of weather.
One of them you could go to theChicago Sky Deck, like in
Ferris Bueller, when they'reoverlooking, oh yes.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Oh, you did it you did the thing.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
You did the thing.
No, I didn't, because it wasthe day I was flying out and the
weather was so bad and it wassuch overcast that it was
covered by the clouds.
So I decided I'll just go tothe airport.
I did a riverboat architecturetour.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
In Chicago.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
In Chicago.
Oh, architecture, wow.
They take you along theintricate rivers in Chicago and
you look at the differentarchitecture, like the styles of
buildings that were built overtime.
That's interesting.
And then you have unlimitedaccess to the art museum, which
was unbelievable.
They have a whole modernismwing.

(32:11):
It's awesome Really, yep.
And then I walked over to theaquarium, looked at some sharks.
You have 180 bucks.
You can do all of that.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Wow, so you made it really truly a Wait.
Here's the question Before orafter the race, you did all this
.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So on a boat and they go around.
So that was easy.
So that was like I think I didthat the first day I got there.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Oh, so it's nice and easy.
You're not really using yourlegs.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I did the museum twice because I walked to where
the boat takes off, but on theway back I walked right by the
museum.
I'm here.
I might as well go in for awhile all before the race, but
they were so close that I didn'tfeel like I was walking too
much.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
You didn't feel like oh, I'm worried, I need to save
my legs.
It's not like people who doDisney races and spend all day
in the parks before that, yeah,I'm not the one I don't do
shakeout runs before races.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Walking around loosens my legs up, eases the
nerves.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh, okay, so you didn't do the Chicago, the 5k
that precedes.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, I don't necessarily like to run the day
before a race.
I didn't do the New York oneeither, the 5k in New York.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, I mean, you're focused on a goal and you had
parameters within that race.
You have to finish to get thatstar.
You needed to have a certaintime in both correct To get that
star you needed to have acertain time in both, correct?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, yeah, and I've always felt like I'm not an
elite runner, so I don't need tomake sure that my pacing's on
point.
You don't have a pace band Didthat for Chicago just because I
wanted to finish within acertain time.
Then I was like, oh, I'll dothis for New York and I did it
for Tokyo.
It's a nice reminder.
I don't focus on it.
If I feel like I'm running toofast, I double check.
Or if I feel like I'm runningtoo slow, I double check.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
But I don't sit there and every mile like You're
checking the pace band,assessing the pace, and you're
not paying attention With a.
Garmin.
You run with an Apple Watch.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
So I run with a Garmin.
I think it's the Forerunner 945LTE and they stopped making
this one.
I'm so bummed because it doesmy intervals on my watch so I
don't have to run with a racetimer.
Nice, it vibrates whenever I domy walk breaks.

(34:21):
That's good, super easy.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yes, so did you have to custom program them?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, you can go and it's not that hard, though, like
you just it's in your settingsfor your run.
It's like intervals, and youset 30 seconds on or 45 seconds
on, 30 seconds off, whatever youwant to have it, and it just it
vibrates.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, so I ran with a Garmin for a long time and I
but I do e-coaching with JeffGalloway.
You do the customized coachingand Jeff sometimes has me do
some pretty weird intervals.
Yeah, they're like the sameratios, but okay, I'm slow, I'm

(35:02):
very not Abbott marathon majorsever, or I'll be the ones, like
you say, that are running Likethey keep the course open for a
long time after the the cutofffor to get your star, let's say
I don't know, six, 24 is aninterval for me, and I'm talking

(35:24):
about seconds because sothey're strange.
So there's a way to do itthrough the Garmin app and then
you can sync that workout to theGarmin.
Oh cool, yeah, but the setintervals on any Garmin like the
Forerunner I think we had thePhoenix, but not the new

(35:45):
Deliciousness.
We have the older ones and butnot the new deliciousness.
It's, we have the older onesbut we but on those are like
they are.
They're set intervals like 30,15, 45, aren't they?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, so mine.
So I ran Chicago, actually NewYork, and Tokyo.
I ran 30, 30s, 30, 30.
Yep, I just kept it simple.
I didn't want to recreate thewheel, although I think for
Berlin I'm going to probably run45 30s just because I'm
stronger.
Now, nice, faster and stronger.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
So the year has been beneficial in terms of your
conditioning.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I also took control of my nutrition.
I scaled back on alcoholconsumption and I've actually
since January.
I've lost 16 pounds sincejanuary and I've picked up a
whole minute pace as far as permile.
So whatever I'm doing, whateverchanges I made, it's and then I

(36:42):
also maybe I'm stronger becauseof last year too, who knows?
I I'm not a doctor.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Do you do weight training as well?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Sometimes I'm not really consistent with it.
Gotcha Like I have scheduledcross training days, but
normally it's on the Peloton.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh, on the Peloton.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yes, who does the Peloton?
Who's obsessed with the Peloton?
Tom?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Oh God, Tom didn't he have a challenge.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
He did with somebody From the Rise and Run folks
right.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, where it was like we'll rise and ride for a
challenge or something.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, and I think it was for a charity.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, bragging rights in a charity.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Peloton, I love the Peloton.
I don't have a Peloton, butanytime we go to you said a
Hilton.
You stayed at a Hilton for NewYork and for Chicago, not a
sponsor.
They have sponsored an episodebefore in Orlando for us, but
they could be a sponsor Hilton.
So we love Hilton, we loveHilton.

(37:43):
And they have Pelotons in thegym.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
So that's where I've gotten my peloton fix, or I know
disney cruise line just signeda deal, or is about to sign a
deal, where they're gonna havepeloton bikes on their cruise
ships awesome for peloton andgreat for like cruisers.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I really have to take a cruise.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I've never done it, always wanted to you're not
gonna get an argument out of meall right three.
I get three booked this year,so so.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'm like marathons you have.
You're having a marathon ofcruises.
Good, it's good.
Ok, so you stayed in Hiltonproperties because they were
host hotels respectively in NewYork and in Chicago.
What about like flights?
Did you have to?
What about like flights?
Did you have to all?

(38:28):
Because last time we talkedabout London, you had a company
and they did it almost all of itfor you.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
This was all me.
I flew Southwest into ChicagoOkay, Super cheap and easy.
I think I flew Delta into NewYork cheap and easy.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I flew into Midway when I went to Chicago and it
was much closer to my hotelsmaller airport but closer to my
hotel and then I think I flewinto JFK when I was in New York.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You flew into JFK, new York, so I was going to do
Chicago, but then Miltonhappened and my work.
They were so good to me.
They're like, yeah, we havecustomer service appreciation
week this week, so why don't youcome up and work in the office
and evacuate?
And they got me there and theday I was the first day I was

(39:17):
traveling into the office withmy virtual friend that I had
just met for the first time inperson I got an email from
Chicago that said if you hadissues with Milton in Florida,
you can defer.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I got that email when I was in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Did you really?

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I was in my hotel because I had flown out the day
before I was supposed to leave.
So I'm in my hotel in Chicago.
My phone, I look I'm likeeating a Portillo's hot dog and
I'm like, oh yeah, it was aPortillo's next to my hotel.
Game changer.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, good to know.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And then, yeah, I got the email.
You can defer a like.
A little bit late for that one.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't yeah, but it was just shout out to Chicago.
They did very, they were veryconsiderate of?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, they definitely , and I knew a lot of people
from Florida that decided todefer to next year.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, and I thought I'm not really in the cause.
If I had gone I probably wouldhave only done part of the race.
So it was.
I think it was just.
It was just classy of them todo that and I appreciate,
appreciate that, and I might notever be ready for a marathon,
but it was just.
I I think that New York andChicago, they are cognizant of

(40:34):
those kinds of things and handlethem really well yeah, yeah,
100% agree, yeah so notnecessarily a certain flight.
When you had, you flew southwestand I imagine it was pretty you
didn't run into any snagsaround Milton with them.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
We were the last flight out of MCO that night to
Chicago, so I mean it was apretty empty plane.
I think it was just people thathad to switch our itineraries
and get out.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah yeah.
I was on one of the last planesout of Fort Myers into New York
around that and there were somany people I had the complete
opposite.
If they were like Getting out,yeah, so, but all good.
What about transportation inChicago and New York?

(41:26):
You stay at the host hotel, soit couldn't have been really too
far to walk anywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
But the only Ubers I took were to and from the
airport and then two, I thinktwo spots that were just a
little bit farther than I wantedto walk, one of them, being the
expo, was like 15 minutes downthe road.
So I took an Uber there.
New York.
I walked pretty much everywhere.
For the most part I didn't't.
I think it took ubers to andfrom the airport just because I

(41:51):
like to be on time.
Yeah, I don't usually trustpublic transit for that kind of
stuff.
Yeah, but yeah, no, I didn't doa lot of ubers in chicago.
Everything was walkable, insame thing with new york city.
Just, they're two great walkingtowns.
Yeah, cities, cities, yeah,sorry, you know, I, yeah, I say
you can use them interchangeablyis there a difference?
They're two great walking towns,yeah, cities, cities, yeah
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, I say you can use them interchangeably.
Is there a difference?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Maybe cities are bigger, I don't know.
A bigger Town is smaller.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I don't know, but regardless though, what now?
Okay, so you were taking, anddo you recommend that kind of
transportation for the places?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
that are maybe too far.
Took the, the trains in chicagobut there were a couple snafus
with delays and this and that.
So if I have somewhere I needto be nine out of ten times I'm
going to take an uber, justbecause I don't like getting,
yeah, delayed on publictransportation.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So you took one to the expo in Chicago and then
also in New York.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
So I took this.
I took an Uber to the expo inNew York and then I thought it'd
be fun to walk back to my hotelfrom the expo, not realizing
that I had to walk through TimesSquare and all the way over to
Uptown.
So it was like a good 25, 30minute walk.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay, with my luggage .
So I still had my luggage.
Oh yeah, I took my luggagebecause I got off the plane and
went straight over.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
And you figured oh, I'll have the packet pickup done
and then I can sightsee or prepfor the race.
How early did you fly in foreach Sunday race?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
So normally for a Sunday race I'll fly in on a
Thursday.
So I'm like Thursday, friday,saturday, sunday, come home
Monday.
For Chicago I had to go in onWednesday.
Just because of Milton I flewin on Wednesday.
I don't spend a long time inthese cities.
One, it's expensive and two,like sometimes after a race or
if you're there too far beforerace, you're wearing yourself

(43:56):
out.
So yeah, so even tokyo I flewinto tokyo on thursday, flew out
on monday wow, well, okay, whoa, but it sounds like us.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
When we flew to Alaska, we really needed like an
extra day, did you?
But here's the question thougharound the travel, did you bake
in a day on the back end at homefor recovery at all?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Not necessarily.
No, usually I'm pretty good.
I don't think my body was tooshredded after either race.
Like I came back Monday, Iusually fly out early.
I like to get just get homeearly.
I don't like waiting around.
Yeah, so I got home early, hungout, I think, after both races.

(44:46):
The next day I went and saw mybarber got my haircut.
Oh, good.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
So it was chill, you were chill, you were chill, it
was good.
We talked about you and yourtransportation experiences to
the expos, but how were theexpos for Chicago and New York?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Both well done, super efficient.
If I'm going to give a nod, Igonna say I think chicago over
new york, because I like thelayout better, just personal
preference.
Like we got there and bothbuildings are huge and they
queue you up when you get there,just like anything else,
because it's a ton of people.

(45:23):
Yeah, lines move quickly,though I didn't feel like I was
standing in line forever.
So, like when I was in chicago,they had us lined up in a
hallway and you go down, gothrough security, so they've got
like metal detectors andwhatever go through that and
then you come up to this row ofsectioned off tables and you
give them your QR code and yourID and scan it, make sure it's

(45:47):
you.
And then you go to veryspecifically numbered booths.
So like you just don't go overanywhere to grab your bibs, like
okay, you, sir, you're going to27.
All right, go to 27.
And they just they haveeverything right there.
You get your bib, they againconfirm and then you go right
into the expo, super easy.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And so did you spend a whole lot of time in the expos
when you picked up everythingnot a ton of time.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I saw some people I knew, which was nice.
The there was a lot like as faras brands, compared to other
expos, I think all the majorrunning companies, with the
exception I I don't think adidaswas there, but everybody else
had some type of representation,so there was a lot to look at.
I didn't spend a ton of moneythere because I found out

(46:35):
through someone that was fromChicago that the Nike store on
Michigan was going to have theevent stuff in the store, just
like the expo does, and I was,oh okay, so there's, I can go
here and not have to worry aboutpeople running out of sizes.
So I mean, I went to the one inmichigan, I got my jacket, I

(46:58):
got my shirt and I got my hat,and that was good I wonder if
they have that every year.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
That's a good tip if you.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
If that holds, I'll definitely look into that if
someone's going, look to see,because that Nike shop on
Michigan they also were doingcustom.
I didn't get one and I'mkicking myself for not getting
one.
They were doing custom shirtsthere too, like these, and they
had one that they did.
It was a bright orange shirtand it said a marathon changed
my life.
And I never got that shirt andI've been kicking myself ever

(47:29):
since.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Oh, and what was on the back of it?
Was there anything on the backof it?
I?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
didn't see anything on the back, but Nike had a huge
presence in Chicago, likebillboards, like really funny
ones.
I'll have to show you some ofthe photos.
Yes, like worst parade ever,like stuff like that, like just
being really cheeky and likereally fun.
Oh, they also had some reallypositive ones, like never give
up and stuff like that.
It was a lot of really cool.

(47:55):
Actually I gotta pull one upreal quick because I did take
photos of yeah, absolutelyabsolutely and like the whole
nike store was actually wrappedlike in the chicago celebration
color, like they wrapped thewhole building.
And where is it?
Oh yeah, so the shirt that Imissed.
It said it says a marathonchanged my life.
But above it it says I'd neverrun.
And then it's crossed out.

(48:15):
So it says a marathon changedmy life.
Oh that is so cool.
Yeah, that was one of the oneof the billboards, and then that
was.
They wrapped the whole store oh,wow yeah, so they had a bunch
of really cool stuff like tocelebrate the runners all that

(48:36):
nike like orange yeah, and myfavorite sign it was great for
chicago.
It says at least the road tohell is slightly flat the, at
least, the road to hell isslightly flat.
Yep, and that was on during therace that you saw that yeah oh,

(48:57):
and then the billboards were allaround in yeah, they just did a
great job and was it mile 20that the heartbreakers were out
there and they have a big oldsound system and confetti guns
and the heartbreakers, theheartbreakers yeah from
heartbreak hill running companyoh okay, I was thinking it was
like a, a band.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Sorry, I'm like what?
Okay, yeah, okay, so we've.
So you give the nod tochicago's expo, and but new New
York was pretty flawless andseamless as well yeah, like you
go in and it's it's New York,it's huge, it's that New York

(49:42):
energy.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
And I will say this about the New York Expo there's
like a buzz and an energy inthat room like you feel it.
Like you walk in and like youfeel that New York energy, that
vibe and gets everyone excited,like you can tell everyone's so
happy and excited, like you getgoosebumps.
It was really easy.
They had very specific placesyou had to go and then you

(50:05):
basically walk in through theirNew Balance store, if you want
to call it that, and that washuge, it had everything there.
Store, if you want to call itthat, and that was huge, it had
everything there.
And then, once you get beyondNew Balance, it had a lot of
other smaller brands on theother side, like Peloton was
there, I think, garmin was there, kronos was there.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
So you could get anything you needed if you had a
travel snafu.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And that's one thing I will say about those two in
particular.
If you had a travel snafu we'retalking nutrition, we're
talking everything was therethat you could possibly need.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, so did you stay with the hotels where you
stayed, the Hiltons where youstayed?
Were they closer to the start,closer to the finish?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
So New York was closer to neither.
Okay, new York is a whole.
Well, you start in StatenIsland, so you have to get
yourself to Staten Island in NewYork.
Okay, so I was lucky.
I was on a Galloway customizedtraining bus that took us from
the Plaza Hotel in New York Cityto Staten Island.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Oh, rewind, new York City Marathon marathon has a
customized, a galloway,customized training bus like
like they offered it through thelike on the website.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
The facebook page was like hey, we have a bus.
It's, I think it was like 45bucks a person and it takes you
from the plaza hotel, which wasmaybe a 10 minute walk from my
hotel.
Okay, takes you from the plazato Staten Island and it drops
you right off when you get intothe main race prep area.
I fell asleep on the bus.

(51:41):
Someone actually had to wake meup and be like hey, we're here,
you have to get on the bus now.
In Chicago, the Hilton is righton Michigan and basically on
the other side of the park iswhere the race is.
So walk down and then throughsecurity and then you're into
the general area.
So it was a 15 minute walk withsecurity from my hotel.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Okay, okay, you took a bus for one, but then it was
walkable in the other.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, chicago, definitely the start and finish
are basically in that park, thatarea.
So again, my hotel, 15 minutes.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, not good, not bad.
It's good you could save yourlegs.
You're not.
Now, what about start times andwhat was your experience around
having to wait?
I didn't feel like I waitedthat long for Chicago.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
They rolled out.
Really it's efficient.
Both races are efficient.
I felt like I waited longer inNew York City because they have
to get everybody to StatenIsland and then get you to
Staten Island and then they getyou in your separate areas,
based on the color of your bib.
Based on the color of your bib,so I was blue, so I had to go
to, okay, blues over this side,and then pink was on this side,

(52:56):
and then so they, yeah, so Idon't know if you see the bib
behind me, right, that one.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, the middle is blue.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yes, If you're pink at that middle parts pink, oh
okay.
And then there was orange, andthen okay also, your starts are
different depending on the coloryou have.
So pink goes on the bottomlevel of the, the first bridge,
whereas blue goes on the toplevel, up and over, and then you

(53:23):
meet on the other side.
Oh yeah, so a little bitdifferent with new york, chicago
.
They just have you sectionedoff in a corrals and then they
just tell you when it's open,you slide into the start, shoot
and then you go.
What?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
time.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
New York was much later.
I waited.
I took a nap when I was there.
I don't think I started till 11am ish in New.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
York Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, new York was later Mess with you.
Did that mess with you, mynerves more than anything just
because you're waiting for solong.
I came prepared.
I actually wore.
I got a cheap fleece bathrobethat had a hood, so I was laying
on the ground, wrapped myselfin my bathrobe and nodded off a
little bit.
But here's what's cool aboutNew York.

(54:12):
You might be there for a while,but Dunkin' Donuts I still call
it Dunkin'.
I know it's Dunkin', butDunkin' Donuts always yes, they
had stands there that weregiving people bagels, coffee,
all for free.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
They gave us these little stretchy winter hats to
keep warm, so like there was alot of support there, which I
thought was really cool so Ijust basically sat in my corral
and sip my drink so you broughtyour own drink into your corral
and and chicago, and it wasyou're supporting yourself so I

(54:47):
it's the same one that I did.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I had when I was in london, the the martin pre-race.
It's like a ton of calories,ton of carbs.
I like to sip that leading intothe race, so like I'll start in
the morning and I'll be sippingoff of it all the way up to
start.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
So did you take some from Dunkin' or Dunkin' Donuts
to us in New York?
Did you take some bagels orsome coffee?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
No, I actually so I had.
I ordered a ton of bagels froma place called Liberty Bagel to
keep in my room.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Liberty Bagel.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Liberty Bagels.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Let me make a note here what?
Why Liberty Bagel?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
My friend who goes to New York City all the time was
like you got to get these bagels.
You got to get these bagels.
So I was like, okay, fine, I'llget them.
So I was like, okay, fine, I'llget them.
Okay, they were really good.
So what I did is I got a bunchof those from my room so I had
them for my whole stay and I gota jar of peanut butter.
Oh peanut butter and I justcream cheese, peanut, peanut
butter before race because Iwant the protein.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Got it.
See, these are the questions,these are the cutting edge
journalistic intense questionsfor you.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
So I took I took two bagels with me because I knew
I'd be there for a while, so Ihad one bagel like right when I
got there, and then I had mysecond bagel with peanut butter,
maybe half an hour before Istarted okay.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And then what was okay?
Speaking of intake and likewhat you do with hydration and
nutrition and waiting around inthe corrals for the race, what?
Where was I going with that?
Where was I going with that?
So you're there and you haveokay, oh, yes, Okay, so in.

(56:30):
So that's intake.
What about the port-a-pottysituation?
So that's intake.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
What about the port-a-potty situation?
I didn't have to look for onein Chicago because I got there
and I didn't feel like I waswaiting for a long time.
So it was get there, stay looseand go New York.
They were everywhere, therewere tons.
And what was really cool, too,with New York City is they had
these recycle stations next tothe port-a-potty.
So if you had extra toiletpaper that you brought that you

(56:56):
weren't going to use, you canleave it there in case somebody
needed it.
Or if you were about to hop onyour corral and you had a thing
of sunscreen, you can leave itthere for people if they needed
it.
But if no one used it, theyrecycled it.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Interesting, ah, okay .

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I always bring a little thing of aerosol
sunscreen and I'm not going touse the whole thing, I'm not
going to carry with me.
So I was like does anybody wantthis?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
here you go, you can have it yeah have a great race
oh, sunscreen, yes, need that.
Okay.
So you bring sunscreen, youhave the hydration and the.
Now we know about the bagelswho knew about the bagels?
And you started around 11-ishin New York.
What time was it in Chicago?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I had to double check .
It was early, much earlier.
Much earlier, maybe 7, 8o'clock-ish around there.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
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