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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, this is Mike, also known as Run Dizner, proud
member of the Runcation Nation.
You are listening to the RunEat Drink podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Run Eat Drink podcast.
We feature destination racesfrom across the country and
after the race, we take you on atour of the best local food and
beverage to celebrate.
So, whether you are an eliterunner or a back of the packer
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and indulge on your nextruncation.
(00:36):
Hey, welcome to episode 307 ofthe Run Eat Drink podcast.
I'm your host, amy.
I'm not flying solo, that'sright.
Welcome back to the show.
Michael Leslie and part two ofhis Chicago Marathon and New
(01:00):
York City Marathon Double,that's right.
I call it a double because it'stwo marathons in two months,
just amazing.
One for charity, one for both,for just the amazing experience.
But Chicago for Charity, andMichael gave us such a great
(01:21):
interview and so many wonderfultips, tricks, moments we just
had to break it into twoepisodes.
So this is part two, and I justwant to give a shout out to
everybody who has remained herein the Runcation Nation
community listeners, patrons,everyone in the Runcation Nation
(01:44):
, patrons, everyone in theRuncation Nation.
Thank you so much for reachingout to us and giving us support
and love while we make our wayback to regular episodes like
this, and the next few weeks aregoing to be amazing on the show
.
I just want to give one shoutout before I turn it over to
(02:05):
Michael for part two in thislovely and engaging and
inspiring conversation.
We had Just want to give a shoutout to Bart Yasso.
Bart Yasso just published hisbook with National Geographic
100 Runs of a Lifetime theUltimate Races and Tra and
(02:25):
trails, available now Hardcoverbook.
It is beautiful and full ofdestinations where you can plan
the perfect runcation for youShort races, long races,
whatever they are.
In the coming weeks we're goingto have a very special chat
(02:46):
with Bart Yasso, including abonus interview for patrons only
so.
Bart Yasso has always been sogenerous with us.
We saw him in Anchorage, alaska.
He sat down to talk to us.
We talked to him during thepandemic for, I think, three
(03:06):
hours and now he's been sogenerous with his time and
talking about his new book inpartnership with National
Geographic.
The photographs are stunning.
The featured races and runs areso enticing.
So thanks to Bart Yasso.
(03:26):
And that's just a littlepreview of some things that are
coming up in the next few weekson the show.
Without further ado, here ispart two of our talk with
Michael Leslie about his Chicagoand New York City marathon
experiences.
Oh, you know what I need torewind.
(03:52):
Did you carb load the nightbefore anywhere?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
good Chicago it was not good.
The place was so bad that Iforgot the name of it.
That's how bad it was.
It was a buffet.
Someone was like, oh, they do arunner's buffet.
I was like, oh cool, I'll bookthat.
I got there and took them like20 minutes to seat me, 20
minutes to get my drink order.
They sat me in a corner next tothe buffet.
I was like, okay, this iswhatever.
(04:16):
But New York City.
I went to this place calledTony's DiNapoli.
It's right over by one of thetheaters in Midtown.
Amazing Italian food.
Bonkers Italian food.
Okay, like some of the bestmeatballs I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh yeah, so you had a traditional like spaghetti and
meatballs type of situation.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I'm a creature of habit.
I try not to go outside thenorm night before race.
It's usually one of two thingsit's either like a gnocchi dish
or spaghetti meatballs.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, those potato dumplings, those are good.
Yeah, I like them.
Okay, just your pre-race mealwas not good in Chicago.
I'm so sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It reminded me of wedding food, like wedding
catering oh they have the littleheat lamps under them.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They're just really keeping it warm and did you end
up leaving before you had themeal to get?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I ate.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I ate what was decent , and then bounced okay, so
pre-race meal goes to New York.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
In all fairness, though, I've been carb loading
since I showed up with all thepizza and bagels that I was
eating.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh pizza.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Chicago.
Yeah, this is the hard part, oh, oh.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But we haven't talked about the race yet.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We can talk about the race and the pizza.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, Don't let me forget to talk about this such
debate.
There's such debate like it'snot pizza in Chicago.
Yes, there's such debate.
We have to talk about that,Other than what we've talked
about in terms of race morningtransportation.
Do you have pre-race tips foranybody that we didn't talk
about?
You talked about the Dunkin'.
You talked about for.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
New York.
I would say if you're bringingthings with you pre-race, put
them all in a big ziploc bagjust to get through security.
I didn't have everything in abag, so I had to empty my
pockets, I had to empty my fuel,like, just have it all in a bag
, let them see it, let them lookthrough it, and then you can
get through security muchquicker.
I didn't have that issue inChicago, only New York.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
York.
Okay, so Chicago, how wasChicago?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It was thorough, but it was quick.
They didn't have me empty outmy pockets, they basically just
had me go through the metaldetector.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, and then what did you in terms of the weather?
What was it like in each city,and how did you dress for that,
Other than the throwaway robe?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
a better day.
Oh, I did.
I did bathrobes for both ofthem.
You can have it shipped to yourhotel where you're staying so
you don't have to take up roomin your suitcase so good, what a
pad.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's it nice, yep, okay, so you were literally
wearing the bathrobe as youarrived in each location.
Oh, yeah, and, okay and.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I would actually say, I mean, I couldn't have asked
for better weather, perfectrunning weather.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Not too cold In both cities, not too humid, not too.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
No, it was that crisp .
It was crisp air.
It was a little cool themorning of New York.
Just because you're waitingaround at the armory in Staten
Island, Certainly that can feela little bit cool.
But then once you get going andyou go over the bridge and you
warm up a little bit, it wasperfect.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, so once you cast aside the bathrobe then you
pretty much wore just likenormal yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Singlet and shorts.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Singlet and shorts and you carried with you, like
you still, you talked about lasttime how you have your handheld
.
I have my handheld water bottleInside that you had what Some
nutrition.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, actually for Chicago, it was water For New
York, I'm sorry, new York waswater too.
It was another race that Itested this stuff for Tokyo, so
yeah, no, both of them were justwater in my handheld.
I like to have it in case thewater stations are crowded or we
won't get into Tokyo, becausethat was a whole other ball of
wax for water stations.
I get feelings on that.
(08:18):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Hot take later Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Sometimes I just get thirsty and I don't want a sport
drink, so it's more just easy.
Yeah, and it helps wash down mygels.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So gels, I was going to ask you.
So you have your handheld andthen you had gels in that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I have them in my back pocket on my shorts, so I
have a pocket that goes acrossmy lower back.
Oh, okay, I can fit two gels inthere.
In my phone, nice and in myhandheld I had my other four
gels.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
What kind of gels were they?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I've switched up Since we last talked, I was
using I guess I think it'sscience and sport.
I use those for Chicago and NewYork and I've recently switched
over to UCANs.
Flavors I need to change up.
I can't have the same textureand flavor over and over again
Every so often.
(09:09):
Race-wise, I have to change itup.
So for New York and Chicago Ihad switched to the Sport System
pineapple and the orange.
I'm team citrus when it comesto gels.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You're team citrus.
You had orange and pineappleand it was good.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I've never had an issue with getting them down or
keeping them down For somereason.
My stomach is okay with them.
I know some people after awhile during a race can't take
it down.
For me it's never been an issue.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There are some gels that are like that whole.
It's like chocolate or likefrosting, where it's oh your goo
where it's like pudding.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, so your team citrus.
I get this and I feel it in mysoul.
Yeah, because I can't dochocolate, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It makes me think that I'm eating dessert.
The only one that I thought wasokay I don't even know if they
make it anymore.
I think it was goo, and theyused to do one that tasted like
cola.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, jesse and Eric talked about this last week
about their different liquidcola without the fizz.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, it tastes like cola.
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
It's a good way to break thingsup, but I couldn't do a whole
race with just cola gels.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So variety is the spice of the race and the
support, even though you carriedyour own water just in case, so
you would have it at the timethat you needed it with your
gels the support for water inthat Both races were stellar
gatorade and water on every Idon't know, maybe like 1.3 miles
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
The only time that you didn't have water is when
you're going over the bridges,because they just couldn't set
them up there.
So in new york.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, port-a potty and medical and
nutrition and hydration supportstellar.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It was up, I imagine.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What about on the course?
I'm going to talk about thestart.
How was that?
How did they compare?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
New York just does it with swagger.
It's got that New York swaggerLike they shoot off a cannon.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They shoot a cannon.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You hear this like howitzer go off.
And then you hear Frank Sinatra, new York start spreading the
news.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's synonymous with how can you not?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That's just New York swagger.
It was great.
No disrespect to Chicago,because when my chorale was
starting I don't know if youremember back in like the 90s
when the Bulls would getintroduced, they would play that
theme music for Michael Jordan.
When my crowd went off, theyplayed the intro to the Bulls.
I thought that was pretty cool.
In my head I can hear you'restarting for the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Number 23, Michael Jordan.
They played that.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
They played that when my crowd went off.
You felt like you were asuperstar.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah played that.
They played that when my carwent off.
You know, you felt like youwere a superstar, yeah, but as
soon as you started to talkabout new york, does it with
swagger.
I was instantly, before youeven said the name, thinking
about frank sinatra yeah, do youhear?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
start spreading the news.
You're like, okay, let's dothis.
It's that new york energyreally emotional, like the
beginning of the race is like Itense up like a minute before.
Okay, let's do this, let's dothis, and then you get those.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah goosebumps, yeah , oh.
So then you were off and I feellike, in terms of let's talk
about the terrain of each courseand the capital h word that's a
curse word for me hills orbridges.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Chicago is super flat for the most part, like you run
over a few little tiny bridgesand then, ironically, the last I
think like 0.6 of the race isall up this uphill in Chicago
and that's pretty much it, newYork City.
If I never run over anotherbridge in my life, I'll be happy
.
Don't get me wrong.
(13:08):
The course is great, but thatcourse, in my opinion, will
humble you right from the get-go.
Going over that first bridge,it's about a mile and a half
until you get to Brooklyn,brooklyn.
Brooklyn brings the heat.
Brooklyn was awesome.
It definitely brought theenergy.
There was a guy, so you comeover the top of the Verrazano.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Bridge.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I butcher it every time, so you come over that and
there was this dude right at thebottom where the other corrals
are meeting to go into Brooklynand he just had on loop no sleep
till Brooklyn on the speakerjust playing over and over again
with a big welcome to Brooklynsign.
That was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Did you have to train for those bridges and hills?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I was doing some hill work.
Probably I could have used alittle bit more, because the
bridges towards the end reallybeat me up.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, so running chicago was not really good hill
practice for running.
No, not really that was more.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Just, I don't know pace, just want to make sure
everything's consistent, yeahthere's a few little ups and
downs, but nothing to the extentof what in new york city with
the bridges new york has manypositives, and yet there are
things you need to prepare for,like bridges and hills okay, the
bridges.
Like I said, the first one willhumble you.
If you think you're going to goout fast in the first two miles
(14:32):
of that race, you're not.
It'll check your ego.
I've seen people go out fast,but it can really check your ego
yeah and then there was thebridge towards the end.
I forget the name of it, butit's where you come in, loop
around, then back out onto themain streets in New York.
There's a bridge where there'sno spectators and all you hear
(14:55):
is footsteps and breathing.
It depends on your mental gameif that's going to throw you off
or not.
That was the only time in theentire race where I had to put
on music and my headphones tostay focused, so you didn't do
any kind of music or headphonesin either way.
I like to just live in themoment.
Yeah, sometimes, if I seesomeone struggling or something
(15:17):
like that, give them like someword of encouragement here and
there or something like that, ormaybe like a joke about
something stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, We've talked about communicating with other
runners.
We've talked about whether yourun with music or not On the
courses.
Let's talk about who wins forcrowd support.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's not even a question.
It's New York City.
It's New York City energy.
If you could bottle that andsell it, you'd be a millionaire.
Even it's not even a question.
It's new york city they.
It's new york city energythere's.
If you could bottle that andsell it, you'd be a millionaire
oh, so where did you feel it themost?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
where do you remember ?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
really like.
I just mentioned the bridgewhere it's really quiet, and you
basically you go over that andthen you loop back on I want to
say on to first ave and then youhead towards central park,
towards the end of the bridge.
I'm not even joking, I can feelthe noise in your body, you can
hear it.
(16:14):
It's like this wave of justpeople going bonkers and you
come off of that bridge and youloop around and you would think
that you are an absolute rockstar.
The way that people treat youin that city.
It was awesome.
You can feel the energy comingoff of it.
That, to me, will always stickout of my head.
(16:34):
And then running throughCentral Park and hearing
everybody yelling and screamingand cheering in Central Park was
really cool.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Did you high-five?
Anybody see any race signs?
That stood out?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, there was a lot of really good race signs.
I think Chicago may have hadthe nod on the cheeky ones
because it was pre-election, sothere was some stuff that was
talked about, whereas New Yorkwas not as political.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh, because it was post.
Yeah, because Chicago is in.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
October and then signs were just.
They were funny, but they were.
There was just like you're inBrooklyn now and there was a lot
of like stuff, like referencein the boroughs and but there
was also in New York.
They were more.
At least I felt like they weremore like maybe run clubs and
stuff like that, like lining thestreets and like confetti guns
(17:25):
and stuff like that, whereasChicago was more just people
holding signs and cheering.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Ah, so like you feel like maybe the New York road
runners had an influence, havean influence in that?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I just think that city as a whole treats that day
like a holiday where everybodycomes out and they really new
york stops.
That's like the one day, thatand new year's eve the only days
in that new york city stops.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So, yeah, people really, they come out and it was
great but you had less, I wouldsay less, less crowd support,
but you had in Chicago there wassome.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, there was not a shortage of it.
I just don't think that theythey weren't as deep Like in New
York city, like there wereparts where it was like seven
people deep on the side of theroad.
There was just a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So if you did have Kelly at, like you talked about
in London, her meeting you atmile 25.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It would probably be like she'd have to at mile 25.
Yeah, it would probably be likeyou she'd have to work herself
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Somewhere, yeah, yeah .
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It was pretty deep yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah.
And so then, did you have anymoments that were where you saw
any runners, or you saw anypeople, or you like high-fived
somebody, any anything where youmight've been overcoming, maybe
hitting a wall, or you wereinspired by something on?
(18:56):
On either course, that standsout.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I thankfully I don't think I fell apart in either
race Solid training.
It's luck.
You never know if you're goingto get hurt or not.
I don't know.
There was a lot of just people,a lot of you got this and there
was a guy that was askingpeople if they wanted pizza and
stuff like that.
He was just walking down theroad with a pizza box.
(19:18):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
With pizza.
I almost took a slice, did you?
I almost took a slice?
I was going to ask you ifpeople were giving things away
that you ended up taking alongthe course at all.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
One person gave out Twizzlers in Chicago.
That was a nice little treat.
I don't tend to eat much duringraces.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Every once in a while .
If it's something, it's just tobreak up the monotony of Gels
and whatnot.
Yeah and what whatnot.
Yeah, like I can just.
There were some people out incalifornia in the run disney
races that would give away, likethe twizzlers, or orange slices
right there around angelstadium yeah, uh, no, there were
.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I didn't see any orange slices or stuff like that
.
But there were people like, ifit was one guy, he had a sign.
I think it was in chicago andhe had a tissue box, oh, and he
gave out tissues, but the signbehind him says I have daddy
tissues.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I have.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh daddy.
I have daddy issues I havedaddy tissues, which I thought
was really funny but I'm pumped,that was funny.
That was a cool one.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So you said you get like excited and ramped up and a
little bit emotional at thestart.
What were each of the finisheslike for you?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
New York was one where it was just like I can't
believe I'm doing this, like Ican't believe I'm finishing the
New York City Marathon, becauseit's just the history behind it.
It was Central Park and it'sjust, it's a whole, it's a thing
.
Chicago was when I finished, itwas another wow, I did this
Like I number two of three thisyear.
It was definitely.
(20:56):
For me it was just like sayingokay, you're, you're almost done
, like you got one more to go.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, nothing to take away from the finish for
Chicago.
I just maybe it's just becauseit's Central Park.
Yeah, it's just somethingIconic, it's iconic.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah.
So you just what you have thaticonic Central Park finish, and
then you have the Chicago finish.
What?
How is the bling for you?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
One thing I do like about New York City because it's
the time of year, it's colder,they give you these fleece-lined
ponchos.
Oh, excellent, oh, and they'relike super warm, super comfy,
and it's really funny becausewhen you finish in New York you
have to walk a considerabledistance to get off, like the
finishing shoot area.
So all you see, I I'll send itto you.
(21:48):
I have a print that I got andit's a picture and all are
people in the nyc ponchoswalking after the race and it
just says new york or nowhere,and it's just you've all gone
through battle and now you'reall walking it off.
Yeah, but as far as bling, ohyes, look at this.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So chicago actually says chicago in the metal yeah,
which I think is pretty coolthat's pretty cool and it almost
looks like it would be aspinner, but it's not yep, nope,
just solid and then the ribbonis like that maroon yeah, it's
actually.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's really cool.
It's got little little sayingson it for east side, this and
that little italy, like youcan't really see until unless
you can magnify it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But it's like little sayings of the areas that you
run through nice and then newyork is obviously new york is
you got the orange, thesignature orange and the blue,
and it looks like you have thestatue of liberty in the front,
holding up the yeah and the orthe outline of the orange and
then inside the outline of theorange it has all the burrows
(22:54):
that you run through around thetop oh, fantastic look at that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It goes around the top of it.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Oh, and then it has the year on it it's gold versus
the silver of chicago.
Yeah, which one do you prefer?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
chicago.
I just I love the fact thatit's the detail, I love that it
says chicago.
It has a little bit of theroute along here.
Then, like you have the area,like the park, it's just I don't
know.
And then, obviously, becauseit's the four stars for the
Chicago, because you always seethat on the flag Nice, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
What about, so, the merch, when you the like the
included race shirts?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Included race shirts.
So Chicago it's Nike and forNew York City it is New Balance.
Chicago was a short sleeve.
They're both super high qualityin my opinion.
I like the New York one betterbecause it's orange long sleeve.
I just like that colorcombination better.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Chicago was like a grayish blue, but like really
nice, like screen print logo onthe front so it's good to know,
though, that the nike becausenike, it tends, like different
ones, tend to run smaller orlarger, so it's good to know
what brand it is, so that youcan determine, because I don't
(24:16):
know if you have to, if you havethe opportunity to swap out
sizes or anything like that, ifyou I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But another thing too , like that nike store I went to
in chicago.
They had all the race stuff andthe shirts were basically that
they were selling were similarto your participation shirts,
but just different colors, solike you could technically try
one on and know which one what'sgonna?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
fit you what's gonna fit?
Yeah, is there a after marathoncelebration, or is it everybody
just in those with their medalsand just going back to their
hotels respectively?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So in Chicago they had a beer garden.
It was like a half mile walk tothe finish line.
I didn't go, you did not go.
No, I did not go.
I met up with I don't know ifTony from Wisconsin.
I met up with Tony real quickjust to say hi because he was
running and a shout out to himfor having a great race.
I just saw him briefly and thenI was like I'm just going to go
back to the hotel.
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I had plans later on that nightto do something.
Anyways, new York City youfinish.
Their after party is actually alittle bit later and it's in a
different location and you hadto buy a ticket for it.
Oh, interesting, they had aticketed after party.
I didn't do that one either.
I kept both finishes prettysimple.
I knew what I wanted to do,just doing my own thing.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, if there are ticketed events or you have to
consider the costs too, yeah,and you had to get there.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Transportation Like I would have had to take a couple
different subways to get thereand I was like I don't know if I
really want to, Maybe not Okay,but it's good to know that they
do have a ticketed event.
That's the first time I'veheard that and it's super easy
to get, like it's through theevent bright app like you have
on your phone, you can actuallyNice, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So what were your plans post-race?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So Chicago was very specific.
I was going to a tiki barbecause it was a tiki bar I'd
never been to, so I had madereservations to go to three dots
and a dash.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh my, oh listen I.
We live two or three, four,four doors down from a retired
Chicago PD officer sergeant.
So shout out there Tim andLauren from Chicago, and he is
obsessed with that place, theThree Dots and a Dash.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
The food was amazing.
I was so hungry I smashed theentire poo-poo platter and I ate
the whole thing to myself.
My server looks at me.
When I ordered it I was like,yeah, I'm gonna get the poo-poo
platter.
And then I forget.
I think I ordered the originalthree dots in a dash cocktail.
And he looks at me.
He goes poopoo platter.
I'm like bro, I'm like I just Ijust ran.
I'm like I'm gonna destroy thisthing and I absolutely housed
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the entire poopoo platter.
Oh, it was good too.
It had everything like teriyaki, crab, rangoon all my favorite
stuff on there oh, okay, okay, Idon't imagine there are
pictures of this thing.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Probably not, because after a race.
You want to just rest, and thenyou just, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh, look at that Like sliders all the fun stuff on
there.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh, nice Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And the drinks were awesome.
Drinks were super good.
And so you had their okay thetraditional three dots and a
dash comes in this mug which Idid bring home.
Oh, skulls, like when you walkin there's a wall of skulls, so
this kind of is their nod tothat.
Okay, and I got two otherdrinks and one of them was a
piranha, which was pretty cool.
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Came in a golden piranha mug.
Oh, okay but yeah, theircocktails were fantastic.
I think I had like threecocktails while I was there and
then I just went back to thehotel.
Um, after new york I had foundan irish bar oh, there you go
the next street over from myhotel because I'd gone there a
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couple nights ahead because Iknew they had non-alcoholic
Guinness.
So I don't drink before a race.
So I was like, oh, I want abeer.
So I went there and I had anon-alcoholic Guinness and it
was great, they're good.
And then I got to talking tothe bartender and he's like,
yeah, I'm running the marathonon Sunday as well.
I was like, oh, cool, youshould come by here and
celebrate.
I was like, okay, cool,finished, went back showered, I
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went, walked.
It was right on the corner.
So walked right on the corner,I had a Guinness and a big old
smash burger and some bourbonand then called it a night.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Some bourbon Yay.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and then the table next to me were a bunch of
runners and they were slammingtequila shots and they're like
you want one?
I'm like nope, you.
You're like I don't know, I'mgonna regret that in the morning
.
Yeah, like I gotta fly outtomorrow morning, I'm just gonna
, I'm gonna enjoy my burger yousaid it was a smash burger and
did you say super good smashburger yeah with the onions into
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the burger with a nice sauce onit, and and then I got some
really hot Buffalo wings with ittoo.
That were really good.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Okay, so you said this was an Irish pub somewhere
around the corner.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, so like the next street over begins with an
M I can't remember the name, butit's like the next year over
from the Midtown Hilton.
It's in that general vicinity.
Okay, really nice.
It's small bar, so it was loud.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
People ball bar, so it was loud.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
People were celebrating, like a lot of
runners were there, so it wasjust people having a good time.
It was a really good energy inthat place and you didn't need
reservations anything.
Nope rolled up, they saw themedal and they were like come on
in.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Do you for three dots and a dash?
Did you need a reservation overyeah?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
definitely got to get a reservation because that
place gets busy.
When I was there I think theywere quoting people behind me
that excited reservation so Ihad when I was about to get sat.
I think they were quoting likean hour and 10 behind me or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
This is not dana approved.
He would be like I'm notwaiting an hour, especially
after running a race, if you're,yeah, hungry if it's a friday
night and it's a place I want togo to, yeah, yeah.
But if I'm on wobbly legs, yeah, you just want so, yeah, so,
and then you go home the verynext day after both races.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yep.
So up early, check out and hopa flight.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, so is there anything else that you haven't
mentioned?
That would be you can't miss itin either destination Chicago
or New York.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh wow, chicago food is really good.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh, portillo's, you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, Portillo's.
Their Chicago beef sandwichesare great.
Their hot dogs are great.
I went to Lil Malnati's DeepDish.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
That was a really fun experience Great waitstaff,
like just all goodrecommendations.
I was like, hey, what pizza doyou eat?
And he's like, oh, I get itwith spinach and tomatoes.
So I was like, okay, cool, so Ihad that.
They have great wings there too, they're super crispy.
I that they have great wingsthere too, they're super crispy.
I went to a place called RamenSan in Chicago.
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It's a little bit farther awayfrom my hotel, but it is a
Japanese whiskey and ramen barthat specifically plays hip hop.
No, I was eating ramen listeningto Wu-Tang.
It was really fun.
They have ube cheesecake.
It was a really good meal.
So those are some places Iwould recommend for Chicago.
Okay, in New York.
So I got to hang out with Mikeand Aaron and Tom from Will Run
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For.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Excellent.
You're going to talk about thesubway deal, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The subway pizza.
Yes, yeah, oh yeah, here atCino Evil Pizza.
Cino Evil Pizza.
Yeah, so it's a pizza spot in.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You have to go into the subway to get to it.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh, so it's a pizza spot in.
You have to go into the subwayto get to it.
Oh, so it's in like the NewYork subway, and it was like
really good New York style pizza.
What else did we get?
They gave us anchovy butter andradishes and it was so good.
We did some arancini oh riceballs.
Yes, oh yeah, really good foodthere.
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Pizza I zucchini, oh rice balls.
Yes, oh yeah, really good foodthere.
Pizza I'm trying to rememberwhich one we got.
I think we got one withprosciutto and something else on
it always good topping on apizza yes oh just, but just
quality, really quality pizzalike just everything there I
thought was banging.
I think we got a beet salad too, with some goat cheese.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That was good, that sounds good, yeah, although dana
would say beets are liketasting your front lawn beets
are actually good for you beforerun.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
They're supposed to help oxidizing another tip,
another tip, okay and we did atraditional pepperoni new york.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, so so much pizza.
So here's the question thoughwhich one, Chicago or New?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
York pizza.
I am a New York pizza guy.
I like the crispier, fold, thecrust and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Ok, you would fall in the New York camp.
I know it's a hot take, but itis New York pizza.
It is because there are somepeople who are like that is not
pizza over in Chicago, that's.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But then you could argue I had pizza when I was in
Tokyo and it was completelydifferent.
Pizza is pizza, it's regional.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, but that Lou Malnati's over there in
Chicago.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I had to take half of it home.
I was like back to the hotel, Iwas just like I ate half and I
was like man, this is heavy.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, but a good late night snack though, if you get
up in the morning, a goodmorning snack.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
The next morning I didn't have to get breakfast, so
I was eating Lou Malnati's forbreakfast the next morning.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Was that like a pre-race meal?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That was so.
I went to Lou's, I think so Iflew in on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I went to Lou Malnati's on Thursday, so it was
my breakfast.
Friday morning was pizza You'reoh so, but before the race,
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, before the race yes, Not the day of the race.
No, no, no no, no.
I don't roll that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I don't know.
Well, I mean, you have bagels.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
You talked about the bagels.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yes, but in Chicago did you have bagels before.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, actually.
Um, I found a bagel shop.
It was on michigan, actually.
Michigan.
I've had a lot of really likegood hole in the wall, quick,
quick, grab and go stuff.
I got a killer italian sub,like a few.
Oh yeah, yeah, it was, and itwas so cute.
It was three people working theplace.
It was the guy that takes yourorder, the guy that makes your
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sandwich and I swear to God itwas their mother that was
ringing you up.
So it's just like this you comein, you order, you get it, you
go boom, and they made me thisItalian sub.
I think they called it the wiseguy.
It had extra prosciutto inthere too.
It had some soppressata.
It was just like a reallywell-made with oil, salt, pepper
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, oregano.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh, that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
That was two doors down from where I got my bagels,
so there was all kinds of stuffin that one row on Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So it just sounds like Michigan Avenue is the
place to explore and indulge.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
There's two sides of Michigan.
So the side I was on, I think,is the south side and then the
north side.
That's where the Nike store is,that's where there's tons of
restaurants.
Michael Jordan's Steakhouse isup on that side.
Oh, like all the high-endretail, your Coach, your Louis
Vuitton, that's all in northside Shopping.
I was, I think, on the southside of Michigan great food and
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beverage.
Yeah, in both cities.
Honestly, right next to myhotel was I don't know if you're
familiar with the Halal guys.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
They do falafel and they do all these really amazing
like pita sandwiches and pitabowls and stuff like that.
Okay, we actually have one herein central Florida, not too far
from UCF, but their originalstreet cart was right next to my
hotel, so I got to go there andthen get food that I know and
it was even better there.
That was great.
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I went to a bunch of differentwalk-up pizza places that just
like you see the sign like NewYork's best pizza places You're
like okay, get a bunch of thatNew York.
Then when I was with Mike, Aaronand Tom, we went to a winter
market over a little bit beyondthe Rockefeller Center and they
had all different types ofbooths that you could get, like
french fries, dumplings.
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I got a pickle flight and itwas like all different types of
pickles, like spicy, yeah, sothere's, if you're willing to
walk, there's a lot that you can, especially in New York City,
like you throw a rock and you'rehitting three or four different
places, like wherever you are.
I went to a Greek diner.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
A Greek diner.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Oh my God, the guy was great.
Yeah, I had moussaka and it wasgreat.
That's one of my favoritedishes.
It's like a Greek lasagna.
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh, yeah Need to have that.
It's a thing I need to havethat.
Okay, I'm learning all sorts ofthings.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That was another place that, like I'm sitting
next to businessmen, like Ifound the local spot, like all
the local businesses, wherethey're having lunch.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's good to go where the locals go.
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I try to do that.
Or I'll ask somebody if I'm ata restaurant or like a hotel.
I'm like where do you go eatand drink?
Not what's good, where do yougo?
That's usually my firstquestion.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, because then you'll find what's not.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
What do you order when you're there?
Oh yeah, like how do you getyour pizza or what don't.
What shouldn't I order off thatmenu?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
If you had to choose one New York or Chicago as a
runcation experience, what wouldyou choose?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Ooh, that's a tough one.
Maybe New York, just because ofthe selection and everything
you have.
Chicago, I felt, was a littlebit more convenient because it
was everything right on Michiganand not too far away, whereas
New York it's so sprawling andspread out.
Manhattan is huge.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
And I think it might be overwhelming before the race.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but then again I don't know.
I will say where I stayed.
We were really close toeverything.
Rockefeller Center was not toofar from us.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Did you go ice skating?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
No, they had just opened it up.
No, when I walked by there,they had closed off the ice
skating rink because they weredoing a photo shoot with what's
his name, the former goalie forthe the rangers okay, I forget
his name.
He was doing a photo shoot likehe was, like they were new
merchandise or whatever, andthey were doing a photo shoot
with him.
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So they closed off the wholerink.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Ah okay.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
We were right there.
I was two-minute walk fromRadio City Music Hall, not too
far from Times Square.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Like where we were there was just a lot of stuff
that you could do.
I was bummed because I foundout I want to say it was either
the day before or the day beforethe race that there were open
tickets for a Saturday NightLive taping.
Oh, but I'm like I'm runningthe next day.
I can't quite go to this.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
So you didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
No, I didn't.
No, but I saw where JimmyFallon has the whole 30 Rock
thing.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
That was cool yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That's cool, yeah, yeah.
30 rock thing yeah, that wascool.
Yeah, that's cool, yeah, yeah.
So I think that there areexperiences you can have in
either one and you wouldrecommend them both, yeah yeah,
I, I think they're both greatdestinations.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
they bring obviously a different energy and a
different vibe, but they're twogreat we use the term.
They're two great american yeah, they're just two great spots
to go.
There's so much and if you canextend your trip or whatever,
like you can see a lot in bothplaces.
I don't think that you're goingto see everything in either
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place.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
And if you're going to do a back to back, like you
did, coming off of Chicago and,in the in between, heading up to
or leading up to New York, whatwould you recommend for
somebody who was going to takethat on in terms of training and
recovery?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I would say definitely recover from the
first race, make sure thatyou're okay, do a head to toe
check, make sure you're not hurt.
You didn't, you know, pullanything, strain anything, and
but then don't try to do toomuch between the races.
I think I did one long runbetween those two races just to
make sure I kept my fitness up.
Everything else was more likerecovery runs or maybe a little
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bit of speed work, but nothingtoo crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You remember how long that long run in between was.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I could probably look at my calendar and see it's
just interesting, like how areyou going to do another one,
because there are differentphilosophies, like how Higdon
has different philosophy fromJeff.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Actually it's funny.
So now I'm going back andlooking in my.
It was more.
There were some hill workoutsin there too, but I actually had
a race, five miler that wasturned into a tempo race.
I pushed it on that one andthen I think I had a six or
seven miler after that and thenthat was like the most as far as
mileage leading up to it, inaddition to my weekly runs of
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tuesdays and thursdays yeah,because they're, because those
two races like chicago wasalmost like a last big long run
before New York.
That really is your big long run.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You don't need to pack another 26er in there or
another 20 miler in there.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
No, so it's a big accomplishment what you did and
you should be so proud of it.
For Chicago.
You did the, the connection,you did the charity bib.
Were there any charity likemeet and greets, anything that
you did around that in Chicagowhen you went?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No, not with the charity directly.
It was more leading up to justa lot of communication.
Leading up to they had a, atent, but like they, there's a
section of the chicago marathonthey call charity row where all
the charities kind of line bothsides of the street.
So we had a tent or peoplecheering, all the different
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charities had something going on, and there was some running
clubs mixed in there too.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
So that was cool oh, and I meant to ask that when we
were talking about the courseand everything like, and we were
comparing, like if you had anyevents around that.
So, yeah, yeah, they're bothsuch must-do races and you're
right, I think that they wouldhave a different feel.
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They would have a differentfeel, the they would have a
different feel.
The accomplishment is just hugeand you're just one star away.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
What do they give you when you get Berlin done?
What do they do?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You get your six-star medal.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And are you planning to celebrate that in any big way
?
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Or this is my honestly don't know what my
headspace is going to be likewhen I finish.
Like, am I going to be superemotional?
Am I going to be just exhausted?
Think about it.
I think about the finish andyou always have that planned
finish in your head.
Oh, I want to do this when Ifinish and you never do.
You always do something stupid,put your hands in the air or
make a really funny face.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, did they?
Hey, did they include photos inNew York or Chicago?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
No, they did not.
You could purchase them aheadof time and they were at a
discounted rate.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And did you?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, um, I got a ton of photos, so I think I got
like 160 from New York and and90 something from chicago and
are there tips where you knowthe photographers are coming?
like some, yes, some no, uh,some of them.
They were just there and theywere snapping away.
Some of them you didn't evensee yeah.
But you have some moments fromthe course where you're like,
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yeah, this was, oh yeah, worthit, yep yeah, like coming over
the bridge or like somethinglike that, where you see this
shot and you're like, yeah, thiswas worth it.
Yep, yeah, like coming over thebridge or something like that,
where you see this shot andyou're coming over and welcome
to New York City.
That's just pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, oh, I can't imagine.
I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Who knows what the Berlin photos are going to look
like.
It could be me just beingabsolutely emotional.
It could be me just beingexhausted.
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, but then you'll have Oktoberfest.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, celebrate.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
To celebrate because you'll go.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, I'll take.
It's a four hour train fromBerlin to Munich and then we'll
be in Munich for a few days.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
That'll be incredible , and your bride will come with
you.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, she's making this, she's making this trip.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Or for that one.
So she'll be there.
She's going to plan on being atmile 25, I imagine, as you
talked about in London.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
If she can find a spot.
If not, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, Do you plan on.
So you're going to do that onewith a travel company.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, it just.
It makes it so much easier withthe accommodations in Berlin.
The only thing I'm going to bepaying, doing on my own, is
booking flights.
They take care of everythingwhile you're there.
You just book the flights toget there and then, for me, I'll
be paying for, obviously, thetrain, for the transfer and then
the hotel in Munich.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Outside the race.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
So I just you have inspired us and I imagine, so
many people in the RuncationNation, I that was my roundabout
question of what's next for you.
I imagine that is.
I don't know if you have anyother training races coming up
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um, nothing until then.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I'm trying to think.
I think maybe the only thingI'll run is like a fourth of
july race or something like thatjust to have some fun.
Yeah, all my other races aregoing to be after berlin, so
I'll be doing space coast again.
Oh, and then I'll be doingmount dora, and this year will
be my five-year mount dora, so Iget the five-year jacket, which
is pretty cool good for you.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
When is that one?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
mount dora is going to be this year.
I just got the dates, so let meget those for you.
And if you're anywhere incentral Florida and you're
looking for a really funmarathon I'm sorry, half
marathon I recommend.
Dora is on the 21st of Decemberthis year and Space Coast is on
the 30th of October.
I'm sorry, 30th of Novemberthis year Right after
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Thanksgiving.
Yeah, three days afterThanksgiving, and then the other
one's right before the MountainTours, right before Christmas.
Yep, the holidays Both reallygreat races.
Yeah, they're just a lot of funand I would recommend, if
you're going to be in the area,to check out either one of them,
especially Space Coast.
If you want to make a weekendout of it, which course area to
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check out?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
either one of them, especially space coast if you
want to make a weekend out of it, which I love.
Which course?
Which course are you?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
gonna like.
But like I'm south course, I amsouth course, I am party course
that's what aaron says too fromwill run for it.
It's.
It is so much fun because theneighbor it's basically you're
running through a neighborhoodlike a one, it's mountain back
and people are out there.
And uh, last year I'm trying tothink what mile it was where a
guy had bacon, pancakes, mimosas, fireball beer, like they have
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people that are parrot heads,that like have their own little
section and it's just, it'ssuper rad.
I recommend it and you can makea good weekend out of it
because I mean for for us, wherewe live.
The coast is not too far for us, but if you get a hotel and you
can go out there, you canobviously go to Kennedy Space
Center.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
You can go check out Cocoa.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Village which has some great food.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
What village did you say?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Cocoa Village Cocoa Village.
There's a lot of fun stuffthere, so you could make a
little mini runcation weekendout of it, like it.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You're just full of knowledge, not only of the
Abbott Marathon majors but oflike, where to go to accomplish,
explore and indulge, and wherecan people connect with you.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I am on Instagram, run Disney nerd and also
sometimes on threads under thesame name, Sometimes as much.
I'm still getting used to thewhole threads thing, but yeah no
, you can find me there, and ifyou're in any of the Galloway
customized Facebook groups or Ithink I'm in some of the run
Disney ones you can find methere too.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh, we will link to that and all of the places that
you mentioned, everything thatyou mentioned in the show notes.
But we can't thank you enoughfor you taking such a great deal
of time to recap races that maybe just once in a-a-lifetime
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experiences for people in theRuncation Nation.
I really think that every timeyou're on the show you share
things.
People can walk away and say,okay, if I'm going to plan to do
this race, I know I have somegood advice from this episode.
So, michael Leslie, mike akaRun Diz Nerd, we cannot wait to
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Thanks for having me Appreciateit that we can set a goal,
whatever that goal is, dedicateourselves to the hard training,
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it all to come together and makeit happen.
Thanks for your interview lastweek and this week and stay
tuned.
Like I said at the top of theshow y'all, we have amazing
interviews coming up in themonth of May and I just want to
thank again the Runcation Nationfor sticking with us and, if
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They just opened upregistration for Miles for
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It's the 20th anniversary of therace.
They have a special anniversaryrace.
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It's the 20th anniversary ofthat race.
It's a race that we arehonoring the life of my father
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We thank you for all thesupport and the love this past
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I'm your host, amy.
Stay safe and well and we willaccomplish, explore and indulge
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Hi, this is Mike, also known as Run Dizner, proud
member of the Runcation Nation.
You are listening to the RunEat Drink podcast.
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Hey, welcome to episode 307 ofthe Run Eat Drink podcast.
I'm your host, amy.
I'm not flying solo, that'sright.
Welcome back to the show.
Michael Leslie and part two ofhis Chicago Marathon and New
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York City Marathon Double,that's right.
I call it a double because it'stwo marathons in two months,
just amazing.
One for charity, one for both,for just the amazing experience.
But Chicago for Charity, andMichael gave us such a great
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interview and so many wonderfultips, tricks, moments we just
had to break it into twoepisodes.
So this is part two, and I justwant to give a shout out to
everybody who has remained herein the Runcation Nation
community listeners, patrons,everyone in the Runcation Nation
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, patrons, everyone in theRuncation Nation.
Thank you so much for reachingout to us and giving us support
and love while we make our wayback to regular episodes like
this, and the next few weeks aregoing to be amazing on the show
.
I just want to give one shoutout before I turn it over to
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Michael for part two in thislovely and engaging and
inspiring conversation.
We had Just want to give a shoutout to Bart Yasso.
Bart Yasso just published hisbook with National Geographic
100 Runs of a Lifetime theUltimate Races and Tra and
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trails, available now Hardcoverbook.
It is beautiful and full ofdestinations where you can plan
the perfect runcation for youShort races, long races,
whatever they are.
In the coming weeks we're goingto have a very special chat
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with Bart Yasso, including abonus interview for patrons only
so.
Bart Yasso has always been sogenerous with us.
We saw him in Anchorage, alaska.
He sat down to talk to us.
We talked to him during thepandemic for, I think, three
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hours and now he's been sogenerous with his time and
talking about his new book inpartnership with National
Geographic.
The photographs are stunning.
The featured races and runs areso enticing.
So thanks to Bart Yasso.
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And that's just a littlepreview of some things that are
coming up in the next few weekson the show.
Without further ado, here ispart two of our talk with
Michael Leslie about his Chicagoand New York City marathon
experiences.
Oh, you know what I need torewind.
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Did you carb load the nightbefore anywhere?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
good Chicago it was not good.
The place was so bad that Iforgot the name of it.
That's how bad it was.
It was a buffet.
Someone was like, oh, they do arunner's buffet.
I was like, oh cool, I'll bookthat.
I got there and took them like20 minutes to seat me, 20
minutes to get my drink order.
They sat me in a corner next tothe buffet.
I was like, okay, this iswhatever.
(04:16):
But New York City.
I went to this place calledTony's DiNapoli.
It's right over by one of thetheaters in Midtown.
Amazing Italian food.
Bonkers Italian food.
Okay, like some of the bestmeatballs I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh yeah, so you had a traditional like spaghetti and
meatballs type of situation.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I'm a creature of habit.
I try not to go outside thenorm night before race.
It's usually one of two thingsit's either like a gnocchi dish
or spaghetti meatballs.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, those potato dumplings, those are good.
Yeah, I like them.
Okay, just your pre-race mealwas not good in Chicago.
I'm so sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It reminded me of wedding food, like wedding
catering oh they have the littleheat lamps under them.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They're just really keeping it warm and did you end
up leaving before you had themeal to get?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I ate.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I ate what was decent , and then bounced okay, so
pre-race meal goes to New York.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
In all fairness, though, I've been carb loading
since I showed up with all thepizza and bagels that I was
eating.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh pizza.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Chicago.
Yeah, this is the hard part, oh, oh.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But we haven't talked about the race yet.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We can talk about the race and the pizza.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, Don't let me forget to talk about this such
debate.
There's such debate like it'snot pizza in Chicago.
Yes, there's such debate.
We have to talk about that,Other than what we've talked
about in terms of race morningtransportation.
Do you have pre-race tips foranybody that we didn't talk
about?
You talked about the Dunkin'.
You talked about for.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
New York.
I would say if you're bringingthings with you pre-race, put
them all in a big ziploc bagjust to get through security.
I didn't have everything in abag, so I had to empty my
pockets, I had to empty my fuel,like, just have it all in a bag
, let them see it, let them lookthrough it, and then you can
get through security muchquicker.
I didn't have that issue inChicago, only New York.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
York.
Okay, so Chicago, how wasChicago?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It was thorough, but it was quick.
They didn't have me empty outmy pockets, they basically just
had me go through the metaldetector.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, and then what did you in terms of the weather?
What was it like in each city,and how did you dress for that,
Other than the throwaway robe?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
a better day.
Oh, I did.
I did bathrobes for both ofthem.
You can have it shipped to yourhotel where you're staying so
you don't have to take up roomin your suitcase so good, what a
pad.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's it nice, yep, okay, so you were literally
wearing the bathrobe as youarrived in each location.
Oh, yeah, and, okay and.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I would actually say, I mean, I couldn't have asked
for better weather, perfectrunning weather.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Not too cold In both cities, not too humid, not too.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
No, it was that crisp .
It was crisp air.
It was a little cool themorning of New York.
Just because you're waitingaround at the armory in Staten
Island, Certainly that can feela little bit cool.
But then once you get going andyou go over the bridge and you
warm up a little bit, it wasperfect.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, so once you cast aside the bathrobe then you
pretty much wore just likenormal yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Singlet and shorts.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Singlet and shorts and you carried with you, like
you still, you talked about lasttime how you have your handheld
.
I have my handheld water bottleInside that you had what Some
nutrition.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, actually for Chicago, it was water For New
York, I'm sorry, new York waswater too.
It was another race that Itested this stuff for Tokyo, so
yeah, no, both of them were justwater in my handheld.
I like to have it in case thewater stations are crowded or we
won't get into Tokyo, becausethat was a whole other ball of
wax for water stations.
I get feelings on that.
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We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Hot take later Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Sometimes I just get thirsty and I don't want a sport
drink, so it's more just easy.
Yeah, and it helps wash down mygels.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So gels, I was going to ask you.
So you have your handheld andthen you had gels in that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I have them in my back pocket on my shorts, so I
have a pocket that goes acrossmy lower back.
Oh, okay, I can fit two gels inthere.
In my phone, nice and in myhandheld I had my other four
gels.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
What kind of gels were they?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I've switched up Since we last talked, I was
using I guess I think it'sscience and sport.
I use those for Chicago and NewYork and I've recently switched
over to UCANs.
Flavors I need to change up.
I can't have the same textureand flavor over and over again
Every so often.
(09:09):
Race-wise, I have to change itup.
So for New York and Chicago Ihad switched to the Sport System
pineapple and the orange.
I'm team citrus when it comesto gels.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You're team citrus.
You had orange and pineappleand it was good.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I've never had an issue with getting them down or
keeping them down For somereason.
My stomach is okay with them.
I know some people after awhile during a race can't take
it down.
For me it's never been an issue.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There are some gels that are like that whole.
It's like chocolate or likefrosting, where it's oh your goo
where it's like pudding.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, so your team citrus.
I get this and I feel it in mysoul.
Yeah, because I can't dochocolate, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It makes me think that I'm eating dessert.
The only one that I thought wasokay I don't even know if they
make it anymore.
I think it was goo, and theyused to do one that tasted like
cola.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, jesse and Eric talked about this last week
about their different liquidcola without the fizz.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, it tastes like cola.
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
It's a good way to break thingsup, but I couldn't do a whole
race with just cola gels.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So variety is the spice of the race and the
support, even though you carriedyour own water just in case, so
you would have it at the timethat you needed it with your
gels the support for water inthat Both races were stellar
gatorade and water on every Idon't know, maybe like 1.3 miles
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
The only time that you didn't have water is when
you're going over the bridges,because they just couldn't set
them up there.
So in new york.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, port-a potty and medical and
nutrition and hydration supportstellar.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It was up, I imagine.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What about on the course?
I'm going to talk about thestart.
How was that?
How did they compare?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
New York just does it with swagger.
It's got that New York swaggerLike they shoot off a cannon.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They shoot a cannon.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You hear this like howitzer go off.
And then you hear Frank Sinatra, new York start spreading the
news.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's synonymous with how can you not?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That's just New York swagger.
It was great.
No disrespect to Chicago,because when my chorale was
starting I don't know if youremember back in like the 90s
when the Bulls would getintroduced, they would play that
theme music for Michael Jordan.
When my crowd went off, theyplayed the intro to the Bulls.
I thought that was pretty cool.
In my head I can hear you'restarting for the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Number 23, Michael Jordan.
They played that.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
They played that when my crowd went off.
You felt like you were asuperstar.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah played that.
They played that when my carwent off.
You know, you felt like youwere a superstar, yeah, but as
soon as you started to talkabout new york, does it with
swagger.
I was instantly, before youeven said the name, thinking
about frank sinatra yeah, do youhear?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
start spreading the news.
You're like, okay, let's dothis.
It's that new york energyreally emotional, like the
beginning of the race is like Itense up like a minute before.
Okay, let's do this, let's dothis, and then you get those.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah goosebumps, yeah , oh.
So then you were off and I feellike, in terms of let's talk
about the terrain of each courseand the capital h word that's a
curse word for me hills orbridges.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Chicago is super flat for the most part, like you run
over a few little tiny bridgesand then, ironically, the last I
think like 0.6 of the race isall up this uphill in Chicago
and that's pretty much it, newYork City.
If I never run over anotherbridge in my life, I'll be happy
.
Don't get me wrong.
(13:08):
The course is great, but thatcourse, in my opinion, will
humble you right from the get-go.
Going over that first bridge,it's about a mile and a half
until you get to Brooklyn,brooklyn.
Brooklyn brings the heat.
Brooklyn was awesome.
It definitely brought theenergy.
There was a guy, so you comeover the top of the Verrazano.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Bridge.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I butcher it every time, so you come over that and
there was this dude right at thebottom where the other corrals
are meeting to go into Brooklynand he just had on loop no sleep
till Brooklyn on the speakerjust playing over and over again
with a big welcome to Brooklynsign.
That was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Did you have to train for those bridges and hills?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I was doing some hill work.
Probably I could have used alittle bit more, because the
bridges towards the end reallybeat me up.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, so running chicago was not really good hill
practice for running.
No, not really that was more.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Just, I don't know pace, just want to make sure
everything's consistent, yeahthere's a few little ups and
downs, but nothing to the extentof what in new york city with
the bridges new york has manypositives, and yet there are
things you need to prepare for,like bridges and hills okay, the
bridges.
Like I said, the first one willhumble you.
If you think you're going to goout fast in the first two miles
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of that race, you're not.
It'll check your ego.
I've seen people go out fast,but it can really check your ego
yeah and then there was thebridge towards the end.
I forget the name of it, butit's where you come in, loop
around, then back out onto themain streets in New York.
There's a bridge where there'sno spectators and all you hear
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is footsteps and breathing.
It depends on your mental gameif that's going to throw you off
or not.
That was the only time in theentire race where I had to put
on music and my headphones tostay focused, so you didn't do
any kind of music or headphonesin either way.
I like to just live in themoment.
Yeah, sometimes, if I seesomeone struggling or something
(15:17):
like that, give them like someword of encouragement here and
there or something like that, ormaybe like a joke about
something stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, We've talked about communicating with other
runners.
We've talked about whether yourun with music or not On the
courses.
Let's talk about who wins forcrowd support.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's not even a question.
It's New York City.
It's New York City energy.
If you could bottle that andsell it, you'd be a millionaire.
Even it's not even a question.
It's new york city they.
It's new york city energythere's.
If you could bottle that andsell it, you'd be a millionaire
oh, so where did you feel it themost?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
where do you remember ?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
really like.
I just mentioned the bridgewhere it's really quiet, and you
basically you go over that andthen you loop back on I want to
say on to first ave and then youhead towards central park,
towards the end of the bridge.
I'm not even joking, I can feelthe noise in your body, you can
hear it.
(16:14):
It's like this wave of justpeople going bonkers and you
come off of that bridge and youloop around and you would think
that you are an absolute rockstar.
The way that people treat youin that city.
It was awesome.
You can feel the energy comingoff of it.
That, to me, will always stickout of my head.
(16:34):
And then running throughCentral Park and hearing
everybody yelling and screamingand cheering in Central Park was
really cool.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Did you high-five?
Anybody see any race signs?
That stood out?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, there was a lot of really good race signs.
I think Chicago may have hadthe nod on the cheeky ones
because it was pre-election, sothere was some stuff that was
talked about, whereas New Yorkwas not as political.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh, because it was post.
Yeah, because Chicago is in.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
October and then signs were just.
They were funny, but they were.
There was just like you're inBrooklyn now and there was a lot
of like stuff, like referencein the boroughs and but there
was also in New York.
They were more.
At least I felt like they weremore like maybe run clubs and
stuff like that, like lining thestreets and like confetti guns
(17:25):
and stuff like that, whereasChicago was more just people
holding signs and cheering.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Ah, so like you feel like maybe the New York road
runners had an influence, havean influence in that?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I just think that city as a whole treats that day
like a holiday where everybodycomes out and they really new
york stops.
That's like the one day, thatand new year's eve the only days
in that new york city stops.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So, yeah, people really, they come out and it was
great but you had less, I wouldsay less, less crowd support,
but you had in Chicago there wassome.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, there was not a shortage of it.
I just don't think that theythey weren't as deep Like in New
York city, like there wereparts where it was like seven
people deep on the side of theroad.
There was just a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So if you did have Kelly at, like you talked about
in London, her meeting you atmile 25.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It would probably be like she'd have to at mile 25.
Yeah, it would probably be likeyou she'd have to work herself
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Somewhere, yeah, yeah .
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It was pretty deep yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah.
And so then, did you have anymoments that were where you saw
any runners, or you saw anypeople, or you like high-fived
somebody, any anything where youmight've been overcoming, maybe
hitting a wall, or you wereinspired by something on?
(18:56):
On either course, that standsout.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I thankfully I don't think I fell apart in either
race Solid training.
It's luck.
You never know if you're goingto get hurt or not.
I don't know.
There was a lot of just people,a lot of you got this and there
was a guy that was askingpeople if they wanted pizza and
stuff like that.
He was just walking down theroad with a pizza box.
(19:18):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
With pizza.
I almost took a slice, did you?
I almost took a slice?
I was going to ask you ifpeople were giving things away
that you ended up taking alongthe course at all.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
One person gave out Twizzlers in Chicago.
That was a nice little treat.
I don't tend to eat much duringraces.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Every once in a while .
If it's something, it's just tobreak up the monotony of Gels
and whatnot.
Yeah and what whatnot.
Yeah, like I can just.
There were some people out incalifornia in the run disney
races that would give away, likethe twizzlers, or orange slices
right there around angelstadium yeah, uh, no, there were
.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I didn't see any orange slices or stuff like that
.
But there were people like, ifit was one guy, he had a sign.
I think it was in chicago andhe had a tissue box, oh, and he
gave out tissues, but the signbehind him says I have daddy
tissues.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I have.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh daddy.
I have daddy issues I havedaddy tissues, which I thought
was really funny but I'm pumped,that was funny.
That was a cool one.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So you said you get like excited and ramped up and a
little bit emotional at thestart.
What were each of the finisheslike for you?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
New York was one where it was just like I can't
believe I'm doing this, like Ican't believe I'm finishing the
New York City Marathon, becauseit's just the history behind it.
It was Central Park and it'sjust, it's a whole, it's a thing
.
Chicago was when I finished, itwas another wow, I did this
Like I number two of three thisyear.
It was definitely.
(20:56):
For me it was just like sayingokay, you're, you're almost done
, like you got one more to go.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, nothing to take away from the finish for
Chicago.
I just maybe it's just becauseit's Central Park.
Yeah, it's just somethingIconic, it's iconic.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah.
So you just what you have thaticonic Central Park finish, and
then you have the Chicago finish.
What?
How is the bling for you?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
One thing I do like about New York City because it's
the time of year, it's colder,they give you these fleece-lined
ponchos.
Oh, excellent, oh, and they'relike super warm, super comfy,
and it's really funny becausewhen you finish in New York you
have to walk a considerabledistance to get off, like the
finishing shoot area.
So all you see, I I'll send itto you.
(21:48):
I have a print that I got andit's a picture and all are
people in the nyc ponchoswalking after the race and it
just says new york or nowhere,and it's just you've all gone
through battle and now you'reall walking it off.
Yeah, but as far as bling, ohyes, look at this.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So chicago actually says chicago in the metal yeah,
which I think is pretty coolthat's pretty cool and it almost
looks like it would be aspinner, but it's not yep, nope,
just solid and then the ribbonis like that maroon yeah, it's
actually.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's really cool.
It's got little little sayingson it for east side, this and
that little italy, like youcan't really see until unless
you can magnify it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But it's like little sayings of the areas that you
run through nice and then newyork is obviously new york is
you got the orange, thesignature orange and the blue,
and it looks like you have thestatue of liberty in the front,
holding up the yeah and the orthe outline of the orange and
then inside the outline of theorange it has all the burrows
(22:54):
that you run through around thetop oh, fantastic look at that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It goes around the top of it.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Oh, and then it has the year on it it's gold versus
the silver of chicago.
Yeah, which one do you prefer?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
chicago.
I just I love the fact thatit's the detail, I love that it
says chicago.
It has a little bit of theroute along here.
Then, like you have the area,like the park, it's just I don't
know.
And then, obviously, becauseit's the four stars for the
Chicago, because you always seethat on the flag Nice, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
What about, so, the merch, when you the like the
included race shirts?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Included race shirts.
So Chicago it's Nike and forNew York City it is New Balance.
Chicago was a short sleeve.
They're both super high qualityin my opinion.
I like the New York one betterbecause it's orange long sleeve.
I just like that colorcombination better.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Chicago was like a grayish blue, but like really
nice, like screen print logo onthe front so it's good to know,
though, that the nike becausenike, it tends, like different
ones, tend to run smaller orlarger, so it's good to know
what brand it is, so that youcan determine, because I don't
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know if you have to, if you havethe opportunity to swap out
sizes or anything like that, ifyou I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But another thing too , like that nike store I went to
in chicago.
They had all the race stuff andthe shirts were basically that
they were selling were similarto your participation shirts,
but just different colors, solike you could technically try
one on and know which one what'sgonna?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
fit you what's gonna fit?
Yeah, is there a after marathoncelebration, or is it everybody
just in those with their medalsand just going back to their
hotels respectively?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So in Chicago they had a beer garden.
It was like a half mile walk tothe finish line.
I didn't go, you did not go.
No, I did not go.
I met up with I don't know ifTony from Wisconsin.
I met up with Tony real quickjust to say hi because he was
running and a shout out to himfor having a great race.
I just saw him briefly and thenI was like I'm just going to go
back to the hotel.
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I had plans later on that nightto do something.
Anyways, new York City youfinish.
Their after party is actually alittle bit later and it's in a
different location and you hadto buy a ticket for it.
Oh, interesting, they had aticketed after party.
I didn't do that one either.
I kept both finishes prettysimple.
I knew what I wanted to do,just doing my own thing.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, if there are ticketed events or you have to
consider the costs too, yeah,and you had to get there.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Transportation Like I would have had to take a couple
different subways to get thereand I was like I don't know if I
really want to, Maybe not Okay,but it's good to know that they
do have a ticketed event.
That's the first time I'veheard that and it's super easy
to get, like it's through theevent bright app like you have
on your phone, you can actuallyNice, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So what were your plans post-race?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So Chicago was very specific.
I was going to a tiki barbecause it was a tiki bar I'd
never been to, so I had madereservations to go to three dots
and a dash.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh my, oh listen I.
We live two or three, four,four doors down from a retired
Chicago PD officer sergeant.
So shout out there Tim andLauren from Chicago, and he is
obsessed with that place, theThree Dots and a Dash.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
The food was amazing.
I was so hungry I smashed theentire poo-poo platter and I ate
the whole thing to myself.
My server looks at me.
When I ordered it I was like,yeah, I'm gonna get the poo-poo
platter.
And then I forget.
I think I ordered the originalthree dots in a dash cocktail.
And he looks at me.
He goes poopoo platter.
I'm like bro, I'm like I just Ijust ran.
I'm like I'm gonna destroy thisthing and I absolutely housed
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the entire poopoo platter.
Oh, it was good too.
It had everything like teriyaki, crab, rangoon all my favorite
stuff on there oh, okay, okay, Idon't imagine there are
pictures of this thing.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Probably not, because after a race.
You want to just rest, and thenyou just, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh, look at that Like sliders all the fun stuff on
there.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh, nice Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And the drinks were awesome.
Drinks were super good.
And so you had their okay thetraditional three dots and a
dash comes in this mug which Idid bring home.
Oh, skulls, like when you walkin there's a wall of skulls, so
this kind of is their nod tothat.
Okay, and I got two otherdrinks and one of them was a
piranha, which was pretty cool.
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Came in a golden piranha mug.
Oh, okay but yeah, theircocktails were fantastic.
I think I had like threecocktails while I was there and
then I just went back to thehotel.
Um, after new york I had foundan irish bar oh, there you go
the next street over from myhotel because I'd gone there a
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couple nights ahead because Iknew they had non-alcoholic
Guinness.
So I don't drink before a race.
So I was like, oh, I want abeer.
So I went there and I had anon-alcoholic Guinness and it
was great, they're good.
And then I got to talking tothe bartender and he's like,
yeah, I'm running the marathonon Sunday as well.
I was like, oh, cool, youshould come by here and
celebrate.
I was like, okay, cool,finished, went back showered, I
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went, walked.
It was right on the corner.
So walked right on the corner,I had a Guinness and a big old
smash burger and some bourbonand then called it a night.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Some bourbon Yay.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and then the table next to me were a bunch of
runners and they were slammingtequila shots and they're like
you want one?
I'm like nope, you.
You're like I don't know, I'mgonna regret that in the morning
.
Yeah, like I gotta fly outtomorrow morning, I'm just gonna
, I'm gonna enjoy my burger yousaid it was a smash burger and
did you say super good smashburger yeah with the onions into
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the burger with a nice sauce onit, and and then I got some
really hot Buffalo wings with ittoo.
That were really good.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Okay, so you said this was an Irish pub somewhere
around the corner.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, so like the next street over begins with an
M I can't remember the name, butit's like the next year over
from the Midtown Hilton.
It's in that general vicinity.
Okay, really nice.
It's small bar, so it was loud.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
People ball bar, so it was loud.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
People were celebrating, like a lot of
runners were there, so it wasjust people having a good time.
It was a really good energy inthat place and you didn't need
reservations anything.
Nope rolled up, they saw themedal and they were like come on
in.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Do you for three dots and a dash?
Did you need a reservation overyeah?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
definitely got to get a reservation because that
place gets busy.
When I was there I think theywere quoting people behind me
that excited reservation so Ihad when I was about to get sat.
I think they were quoting likean hour and 10 behind me or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
This is not dana approved.
He would be like I'm notwaiting an hour, especially
after running a race, if you're,yeah, hungry if it's a friday
night and it's a place I want togo to, yeah, yeah.
But if I'm on wobbly legs, yeah, you just want so, yeah, so,
and then you go home the verynext day after both races.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yep.
So up early, check out and hopa flight.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, so is there anything else that you haven't
mentioned?
That would be you can't miss itin either destination Chicago
or New York.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh wow, chicago food is really good.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh, portillo's, you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, Portillo's.
Their Chicago beef sandwichesare great.
Their hot dogs are great.
I went to Lil Malnati's DeepDish.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
That was a really fun experience Great waitstaff,
like just all goodrecommendations.
I was like, hey, what pizza doyou eat?
And he's like, oh, I get itwith spinach and tomatoes.
So I was like, okay, cool, so Ihad that.
They have great wings there too, they're super crispy.
I that they have great wingsthere too, they're super crispy.
I went to a place called RamenSan in Chicago.
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It's a little bit farther awayfrom my hotel, but it is a
Japanese whiskey and ramen barthat specifically plays hip hop.
No, I was eating ramen listeningto Wu-Tang.
It was really fun.
They have ube cheesecake.
It was a really good meal.
So those are some places Iwould recommend for Chicago.
Okay, in New York.
So I got to hang out with Mikeand Aaron and Tom from Will Run
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For.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Excellent.
You're going to talk about thesubway deal, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The subway pizza.
Yes, yeah, oh yeah, here atCino Evil Pizza.
Cino Evil Pizza.
Yeah, so it's a pizza spot in.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You have to go into the subway to get to it.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh, so it's a pizza spot in.
You have to go into the subwayto get to it.
Oh, so it's in like the NewYork subway, and it was like
really good New York style pizza.
What else did we get?
They gave us anchovy butter andradishes and it was so good.
We did some arancini oh riceballs.
Yes, oh yeah, really good foodthere.
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Pizza I zucchini, oh rice balls.
Yes, oh yeah, really good foodthere.
Pizza I'm trying to rememberwhich one we got.
I think we got one withprosciutto and something else on
it always good topping on apizza yes oh just, but just
quality, really quality pizzalike just everything there I
thought was banging.
I think we got a beet salad too, with some goat cheese.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That was good, that sounds good, yeah, although dana
would say beets are liketasting your front lawn beets
are actually good for you beforerun.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
They're supposed to help oxidizing another tip,
another tip, okay and we did atraditional pepperoni new york.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, so so much pizza.
So here's the question thoughwhich one, Chicago or New?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
York pizza.
I am a New York pizza guy.
I like the crispier, fold, thecrust and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Ok, you would fall in the New York camp.
I know it's a hot take, but itis New York pizza.
It is because there are somepeople who are like that is not
pizza over in Chicago, that's.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But then you could argue I had pizza when I was in
Tokyo and it was completelydifferent.
Pizza is pizza, it's regional.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, but that Lou Malnati's over there in
Chicago.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I had to take half of it home.
I was like back to the hotel, Iwas just like I ate half and I
was like man, this is heavy.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, but a good late night snack though, if you get
up in the morning, a goodmorning snack.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
The next morning I didn't have to get breakfast, so
I was eating Lou Malnati's forbreakfast the next morning.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Was that like a pre-race meal?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That was so.
I went to Lou's, I think so Iflew in on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I went to Lou Malnati's on Thursday, so it was
my breakfast.
Friday morning was pizza You'reoh so, but before the race,
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, before the race yes, Not the day of the race.
No, no, no no, no.
I don't roll that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I don't know.
Well, I mean, you have bagels.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
You talked about the bagels.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yes, but in Chicago did you have bagels before.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, actually.
Um, I found a bagel shop.
It was on michigan, actually.
Michigan.
I've had a lot of really likegood hole in the wall, quick,
quick, grab and go stuff.
I got a killer italian sub,like a few.
Oh yeah, yeah, it was, and itwas so cute.
It was three people working theplace.
It was the guy that takes yourorder, the guy that makes your
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sandwich and I swear to God itwas their mother that was
ringing you up.
So it's just like this you comein, you order, you get it, you
go boom, and they made me thisItalian sub.
I think they called it the wiseguy.
It had extra prosciutto inthere too.
It had some soppressata.
It was just like a reallywell-made with oil, salt, pepper
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, oregano.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh, that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
That was two doors down from where I got my bagels,
so there was all kinds of stuffin that one row on Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So it just sounds like Michigan Avenue is the
place to explore and indulge.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
There's two sides of Michigan.
So the side I was on, I think,is the south side and then the
north side.
That's where the Nike store is,that's where there's tons of
restaurants.
Michael Jordan's Steakhouse isup on that side.
Oh, like all the high-endretail, your Coach, your Louis
Vuitton, that's all in northside Shopping.
I was, I think, on the southside of Michigan great food and
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beverage.
Yeah, in both cities.
Honestly, right next to myhotel was I don't know if you're
familiar with the Halal guys.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
They do falafel and they do all these really amazing
like pita sandwiches and pitabowls and stuff like that.
Okay, we actually have one herein central Florida, not too far
from UCF, but their originalstreet cart was right next to my
hotel, so I got to go there andthen get food that I know and
it was even better there.
That was great.
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I went to a bunch of differentwalk-up pizza places that just
like you see the sign like NewYork's best pizza places You're
like okay, get a bunch of thatNew York.
Then when I was with Mike, Aaronand Tom, we went to a winter
market over a little bit beyondthe Rockefeller Center and they
had all different types ofbooths that you could get, like
french fries, dumplings.
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I got a pickle flight and itwas like all different types of
pickles, like spicy, yeah, sothere's, if you're willing to
walk, there's a lot that you can, especially in New York City,
like you throw a rock and you'rehitting three or four different
places, like wherever you are.
I went to a Greek diner.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
A Greek diner.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Oh my God, the guy was great.
Yeah, I had moussaka and it wasgreat.
That's one of my favoritedishes.
It's like a Greek lasagna.
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh, yeah Need to have that.
It's a thing I need to havethat.
Okay, I'm learning all sorts ofthings.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That was another place that, like I'm sitting
next to businessmen, like Ifound the local spot, like all
the local businesses, wherethey're having lunch.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's good to go where the locals go.
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I try to do that.
Or I'll ask somebody if I'm ata restaurant or like a hotel.
I'm like where do you go eatand drink?
Not what's good, where do yougo?
That's usually my firstquestion.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, because then you'll find what's not.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
What do you order when you're there?
Oh yeah, like how do you getyour pizza or what don't.
What shouldn't I order off thatmenu?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
If you had to choose one New York or Chicago as a
runcation experience, what wouldyou choose?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Ooh, that's a tough one.
Maybe New York, just because ofthe selection and everything
you have.
Chicago, I felt, was a littlebit more convenient because it
was everything right on Michiganand not too far away, whereas
New York it's so sprawling andspread out.
Manhattan is huge.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
And I think it might be overwhelming before the race.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but then again I don't know.
I will say where I stayed.
We were really close toeverything.
Rockefeller Center was not toofar from us.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Did you go ice skating?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
No, they had just opened it up.
No, when I walked by there,they had closed off the ice
skating rink because they weredoing a photo shoot with what's
his name, the former goalie forthe the rangers okay, I forget
his name.
He was doing a photo shoot likehe was, like they were new
merchandise or whatever, andthey were doing a photo shoot
with him.
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So they closed off the wholerink.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Ah okay.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
We were right there.
I was two-minute walk fromRadio City Music Hall, not too
far from Times Square.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Like where we were there was just a lot of stuff
that you could do.
I was bummed because I foundout I want to say it was either
the day before or the day beforethe race that there were open
tickets for a Saturday NightLive taping.
Oh, but I'm like I'm runningthe next day.
I can't quite go to this.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
So you didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
No, I didn't.
No, but I saw where JimmyFallon has the whole 30 Rock
thing.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
That was cool yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That's cool, yeah, yeah.
30 rock thing yeah, that wascool.
Yeah, that's cool, yeah, yeah.
So I think that there areexperiences you can have in
either one and you wouldrecommend them both, yeah yeah,
I, I think they're both greatdestinations.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
they bring obviously a different energy and a
different vibe, but they're twogreat we use the term.
They're two great american yeah, they're just two great spots
to go.
There's so much and if you canextend your trip or whatever,
like you can see a lot in bothplaces.
I don't think that you're goingto see everything in either
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place.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
And if you're going to do a back to back, like you
did, coming off of Chicago and,in the in between, heading up to
or leading up to New York, whatwould you recommend for
somebody who was going to takethat on in terms of training and
recovery?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I would say definitely recover from the
first race, make sure thatyou're okay, do a head to toe
check, make sure you're not hurt.
You didn't, you know, pullanything, strain anything, and
but then don't try to do toomuch between the races.
I think I did one long runbetween those two races just to
make sure I kept my fitness up.
Everything else was more likerecovery runs or maybe a little
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bit of speed work, but nothingtoo crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You remember how long that long run in between was.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I could probably look at my calendar and see it's
just interesting, like how areyou going to do another one,
because there are differentphilosophies, like how Higdon
has different philosophy fromJeff.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Actually it's funny.
So now I'm going back andlooking in my.
It was more.
There were some hill workoutsin there too, but I actually had
a race, five miler that wasturned into a tempo race.
I pushed it on that one andthen I think I had a six or
seven miler after that and thenthat was like the most as far as
mileage leading up to it, inaddition to my weekly runs of
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tuesdays and thursdays yeah,because they're, because those
two races like chicago wasalmost like a last big long run
before New York.
That really is your big long run.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You don't need to pack another 26er in there or
another 20 miler in there.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
No, so it's a big accomplishment what you did and
you should be so proud of it.
For Chicago.
You did the, the connection,you did the charity bib.
Were there any charity likemeet and greets, anything that
you did around that in Chicagowhen you went?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No, not with the charity directly.
It was more leading up to justa lot of communication.
Leading up to they had a, atent, but like they, there's a
section of the chicago marathonthey call charity row where all
the charities kind of line bothsides of the street.
So we had a tent or peoplecheering, all the different
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charities had something going on, and there was some running
clubs mixed in there too.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
So that was cool oh, and I meant to ask that when we
were talking about the courseand everything like, and we were
comparing, like if you had anyevents around that.
So, yeah, yeah, they're bothsuch must-do races and you're
right, I think that they wouldhave a different feel.
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They would have a differentfeel, the they would have a
different feel.
The accomplishment is just hugeand you're just one star away.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
What do they give you when you get Berlin done?
What do they do?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You get your six-star medal.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And are you planning to celebrate that in any big way
?
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Or this is my honestly don't know what my
headspace is going to be likewhen I finish.
Like, am I going to be superemotional?
Am I going to be just exhausted?
Think about it.
I think about the finish andyou always have that planned
finish in your head.
Oh, I want to do this when Ifinish and you never do.
You always do something stupid,put your hands in the air or
make a really funny face.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, did they?
Hey, did they include photos inNew York or Chicago?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
No, they did not.
You could purchase them aheadof time and they were at a
discounted rate.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And did you?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, um, I got a ton of photos, so I think I got
like 160 from New York and and90 something from chicago and
are there tips where you knowthe photographers are coming?
like some, yes, some no, uh,some of them.
They were just there and theywere snapping away.
Some of them you didn't evensee yeah.
But you have some moments fromthe course where you're like,
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yeah, this was, oh yeah, worthit, yep yeah, like coming over
the bridge or like somethinglike that, where you see this
shot and you're like, yeah, thiswas worth it.
Yep, yeah, like coming over thebridge or something like that,
where you see this shot andyou're coming over and welcome
to New York City.
That's just pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, oh, I can't imagine.
I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Who knows what the Berlin photos are going to look
like.
It could be me just beingabsolutely emotional.
It could be me just beingexhausted.
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, but then you'll have Oktoberfest.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, celebrate.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
To celebrate because you'll go.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, I'll take.
It's a four hour train fromBerlin to Munich and then we'll
be in Munich for a few days.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
That'll be incredible , and your bride will come with
you.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, she's making this, she's making this trip.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Or for that one.
So she'll be there.
She's going to plan on being atmile 25, I imagine, as you
talked about in London.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
If she can find a spot.
If not, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, Do you plan on.
So you're going to do that onewith a travel company.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, it just.
It makes it so much easier withthe accommodations in Berlin.
The only thing I'm going to bepaying, doing on my own, is
booking flights.
They take care of everythingwhile you're there.
You just book the flights toget there and then, for me, I'll
be paying for, obviously, thetrain, for the transfer and then
the hotel in Munich.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Outside the race.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
So I just you have inspired us and I imagine, so
many people in the RuncationNation, I that was my roundabout
question of what's next for you.
I imagine that is.
I don't know if you have anyother training races coming up
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um, nothing until then.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I'm trying to think.
I think maybe the only thingI'll run is like a fourth of
july race or something like thatjust to have some fun.
Yeah, all my other races aregoing to be after berlin, so
I'll be doing space coast again.
Oh, and then I'll be doingmount dora, and this year will
be my five-year mount dora, so Iget the five-year jacket, which
is pretty cool good for you.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
When is that one?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
mount dora is going to be this year.
I just got the dates, so let meget those for you.
And if you're anywhere incentral Florida and you're
looking for a really funmarathon I'm sorry, half
marathon I recommend.
Dora is on the 21st of Decemberthis year and Space Coast is on
the 30th of October.
I'm sorry, 30th of Novemberthis year Right after
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Thanksgiving.
Yeah, three days afterThanksgiving, and then the other
one's right before the MountainTours, right before Christmas.
Yep, the holidays Both reallygreat races.
Yeah, they're just a lot of funand I would recommend, if
you're going to be in the area,to check out either one of them,
especially Space Coast.
If you want to make a weekendout of it, which course area to
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check out?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
either one of them, especially space coast if you
want to make a weekend out of it, which I love.
Which course?
Which course are you?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
gonna like.
But like I'm south course, I amsouth course, I am party course
that's what aaron says too fromwill run for it.
It's.
It is so much fun because theneighbor it's basically you're
running through a neighborhoodlike a one, it's mountain back
and people are out there.
And uh, last year I'm trying tothink what mile it was where a
guy had bacon, pancakes, mimosas, fireball beer, like they have
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people that are parrot heads,that like have their own little
section and it's just, it'ssuper rad.
I recommend it and you can makea good weekend out of it
because I mean for for us, wherewe live.
The coast is not too far for us, but if you get a hotel and you
can go out there, you canobviously go to Kennedy Space
Center.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
You can go check out Cocoa.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Village which has some great food.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
What village did you say?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Cocoa Village Cocoa Village.
There's a lot of fun stuffthere, so you could make a
little mini runcation weekendout of it, like it.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You're just full of knowledge, not only of the
Abbott Marathon majors but oflike, where to go to accomplish,
explore and indulge, and wherecan people connect with you.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I am on Instagram, run Disney nerd and also
sometimes on threads under thesame name, Sometimes as much.
I'm still getting used to thewhole threads thing, but yeah no
, you can find me there, and ifyou're in any of the Galloway
customized Facebook groups or Ithink I'm in some of the run
Disney ones you can find methere too.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh, we will link to that and all of the places that
you mentioned, everything thatyou mentioned in the show notes.
But we can't thank you enoughfor you taking such a great deal
of time to recap races that maybe just once in a-a-lifetime
(48:31):
experiences for people in theRuncation Nation.
I really think that every timeyou're on the show you share
things.
People can walk away and say,okay, if I'm going to plan to do
this race, I know I have somegood advice from this episode.
So, michael Leslie, mike akaRun Diz Nerd, we cannot wait to
(48:56):
accomplish, explore and indulgewith you really soon.
Thanks for having me Appreciateit that we can set a goal,
whatever that goal is, dedicateourselves to the hard training,
(49:21):
to the steps, to the nutrition,to everything that we need for
it all to come together and makeit happen.
Thanks for your interview lastweek and this week and stay
tuned.
Like I said at the top of theshow y'all, we have amazing
interviews coming up in themonth of May and I just want to
thank again the Runcation Nationfor sticking with us and, if
(49:41):
you have a chance, please joinour Miles for Moffitt team.
They just opened upregistration for Miles for
Moffitt.
It's the 20th anniversary of therace.
They have a special anniversaryrace.
They have 5k, walking 10k.
They have a 5k for running aswell.
Just fun runs for the family.
(50:03):
The link is in our profile onour social media and we will put
a special page up onrunnydrinknet as well.
It's the 20th anniversary ofthat race.
It's a race that we arehonoring the life of my father
and the support that MoffittCancer Center gave to him in his
(50:25):
battle with stage fournon-Hodgkin lymphoma, and thank
you all for your support,whether you donate to the team
or run with us or run itvirtually.
We thank you for all thesupport and the love this past
year, especially at the start of2025.
(50:47):
For joining us on your long run, your commute to work around
the house or wherever you are.
I'm your host, amy.
Stay safe and well and we willaccomplish, explore and indulge
with you really soon.
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