Guiding, Mindsets and Coyotes with Cole Trichell

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
We're back here with another app.
We have Leah's on with us again, and then we have Cole.
Cole.
Trichelle is on with us, coleis.
I employ him as a guide forthat fit.

(00:31):
So this is our third year,isn't it Together?
Yeah, third fall we're likehalfway through now and, yeah,
we were talking a little bitbefore this thing started.
You're like 10 months so farthis year, 10 months.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yeah, Guiding hunting .

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Give or take, and even like when we have time off,
like through Thanksgiving.
Whatever you still go hunt,it's the funsies.
Yeah.
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
No, I was just going to say that he's doing the
classic guide life like bouncingaround.
You were with us last year andthen, in between that and like
the summer, you went to NewZealand, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Before we get started , I should probably let people
know that we're rolling on videoright now, but as things go,
most of the time in my life, thebatteries are almost dead, so
probably halfway through it'sgoing to just go to not black
video, but I'm going to keep.
I'll just like roll some clipsand whatever, or it might.

(01:40):
They might stay on the wholetime, I have really no idea, but
the audio will definitely gothe whole time.
Anyways, yeah, so 10 months.
We're halfway through ourguiding season.
Now it's the first week inDecember, it's December 3rd, so
our muzzler season just startedon the first and we had Steve

(02:01):
with us, which was funsies, asalways.
A little bit of redemption huntyeah, they're here.
Two was it two?
Yeah, two seasons ago becauseit was your first season Clay
shot a buck.
We just could not get Steve abuck.
That was like a weird year.
That was a weird week and Istill don't know.
I still don't understand why,like all the corn was still in,

(02:25):
it was really windy.
But yeah, I kind of forgotabout that.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, it was hot.
He could have shot a buck, butnot the age.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, and then, yeah, december 1st he rolls in.
We did a giveaway with thembecause when our episode came
out, they wanted to do like aBlack Friday giveaway kind of a
deal with it, where like went ahunt with me and Steve, so we
had a guy that won it and hecame, ended up missing a buck on

(02:55):
the first day and thenunfortunately went home sick,
which I feel bad for him.
So that happened, but Steve andI found a buck to shoot the
first day.
So, yeah, worked out great.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
You want to do?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
you want to like go a little more into like the story
of your guys at stock and likeseeing it, stocking it, you know
not big on story details, butwe just we'd been seeing we've
had a really good year this yearfor more mature deer, I would
say even better than I thoughtit was going to be, because we
had kind of a rough winter.

(03:30):
I thought it was going to suck.
Well, I thought it was going tobe tougher than it seems to
have been.
Our quality seems to be reallygood and maybe that's cause
we've been trying to hammer thatthe last couple of years is
like yeah, try to let youngerdeer walk, but anyways, Um, yeah
.
So there's kind of a spot.
We call it the green gate spotcause the gates green.

(03:53):
All the gates are green, butthat one is the green gate.
So we were up by there.
We'd been seeing some nicebucks the first morning we get
up there.
We had a buck.
I could tell on my spottingscope like there's a little all
the corners picked now andthere's a little bit of snow

(04:14):
like laying against that pickedcorn and it just like leaves a
really good backdrop to seeantler outlines.
And so I could see there wasthree deer out there in the
corner.
They started walking into thecorn and I just saw a long main
beam laying out and I was likeman, I think that's pretty good

(04:34):
buck.
Well then I had said, hey,steve, I think this is good buck
, and I flipped my scope over sohe could see it.
And then I looked in mybinoculars and in that time deer
had moved around and there wasa buck that was headed out that
had a big body and I was like,oh shit, I think we should go
now.
And so we grabbed our stuff.
The deer I could see like was.

(04:57):
He came out and I thought hewas going to go down into some
canyons and we'd be able to kindof get around in front of him.
And we did that and he ended up.
He kind of slipped by us andwent onto the neighboring place.
So then we go back up to ourspotting scope and both of us

(05:17):
are just like we're glossingaround looking at different deer
.
And there's still these twoother deer in the corn field and
I saw the buck with his headdown and he was just kind of he
was eating, but I didn't thinkthat his he looked like anything
real special.
And Steve said the same thing.
He's like I just kind of waslooking past that deer, like

(05:38):
just looking beyond him, like hedidn't look like anything great
.
And I turned the scope back tolook at him one time and he had
his head up and I was like Holyshit, that's kind of a big buck
and like a mid 140s, like rightin there, a good buck.
And I said I think I asked himwhat he thought and he's like he
looks like a really good deerto me.

(05:59):
Is it stupid not to shoot himon the opening day?
And I said I think we'd bestupid not to shoot that buck.
And he said, well, let's gothen.
So by the time we got over towhere we could get a shot, he
had turned and just kind of fedout a range at like 700 yards
and then he just kind of wasgone and he went on to the

(06:19):
neighbors too.
So I was like, well, thatevening we should just go sit
the same spot and just see ifthey'll come back.
And so we're, we get there likea couple hours before dark,
glassing around, not reallyseeing much, and I turn and look
over kind of it's impossible toexplain, but probably half a

(06:42):
mile, at least three quarters ofa mile, like it was a ways kind
of on top of this hill I seethere's a deer and he has his
head down feeding and I was like, oh, that's a buck.
And right about then he liftshis head and I was like Holy
shit, that's a big buck.
And I turned the scope so Stevecould see it and he's like, oh
yeah, and he actually was goingto come really close to where

(07:03):
you and the hunt winner were andyou guys had seen him too,
cause you were like workingalong the tops and he started
going down this big canyon and Iwas like I think they're going
to be able to see him, like youguys are going to cross paths
with him, but just in case heslips by him, I think I know
where he's going to come out at.

(07:24):
It's just like haul ass downthere and try to play back up.
So we did Um and he came outpretty much right where I
thought he was going to, and inthat time it was maybe.
It maybe took us 10 minutes toget down there, like not long.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
He was just walking at a really good clip.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, and he was at the ball.
I mean, he had covered athousand yards by the time he
got down there.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, cause you guys just barely missed him.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
We like.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
I mean he had to yeah he had to adjust.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I mean, you barely had to miss each other.
Yeah, ships in the night, yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
He must just barely been on the other side of the
roll, or something.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, and then we were like looking at some older
deer way off and boom, and I'mlike holy shit, and I, me and
the hunt where Richard bothswore it was in front of us,
which is completely opposite ofwhere they actually shot from.
And I was like about to textJordan Like sounds like

(08:22):
somebody's right on theneighbors or something but yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
It was just us, Just a weird.
I don't know how they soundcircle back.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
But yeah, it scared me.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
We were, we.
We kind of we got set up inthat buck, started working a
scrape, which is kind of cool,and it gave us a few extra
moments to set up, which is nice.
It was like 136 or 138 yards orsomething like that.
I was like dial 1.5 and then heshot and that was it and that

(08:56):
thing, uh, there's been a coupleof questions.
People like ask when you wereshooting, um, he shot my muzzle
loader during this deal.
It's a arrowhead, it's a custommuzzle loader from arrowhead
rifles.
Um, and he shooting they make a300 grain bullet.
He was shooting that thing andit like there's a hole the size

(09:19):
of a silver dollar in theentrance and the exit.
There's one little exit holethat's kind of even off from
where the entrance was, and Ithink that that was just
fragmentation.
Yeah.
Like that bullet just like blewup in there, in, there inside,
and you didn't hit shoulder boneor anything like that.
No, it was right behind theshoulder, like perfectly where

(09:40):
you'd want to put it.
I mean it probably broke acouple of, it broke a rib, but
it didn't hit anything real,real hard.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, but like great expansion.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, it was awesome.
So yeah, that's the story ofSteve's buck.
Yeah, total redemption fromlast time made me so nervous.
Well, it made all of us nervouslast time.
They're here.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
It's like you know, none of us thought that he was
going to not get a buck on thelast time.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, I mean for the most part.
Uh, it's a pretty sure thingfor rifle season.
I mean, we've never.
I literally think still to thisday, steve's the only guy who's
ever gone home without a rifledeer.
Yeah, and uh, yeah it was.
It was crazy.
You know, looking, I waslooking back on it maybe that
was the best thing that evercould happen, because that went
to to TV and maybe people thatwere thinking about booking with

(10:28):
us you know they booked knowingthat Steve didn't shoot a deer.
So I think maybe that helped usin a way.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
But yeah, like set all those people's expectations
Like they're not going to comein and shoot like a 170 buck.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Or they might.
They might go home without abuck and they were still okay
with it, which I think is hugefor expectations.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well it I mean, ultimately it is hunting and
sometimes people feel like whenthey're paying money, that you
should have a a buck's likestaked out for them somewhere.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, and I mean, I feel like if you're paying money
to go somewhere, especially ifit's like with the fully guided
spot there's, there are someexpectations there that, like
you're going to get a prettydamn good chance.
And I think that that's what wealways have talked about, for,
you know, expectations forourselves is like it's up to us

(11:18):
to put them within range ofsomething that they want to
shoot or whatever.
And even like with archeryequipment, I've always thought
if we can get them within, if wecan get a nice deer within
range, something that they wantto shoot, something that we've,
you know, is like a nice deer,you know.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Good representation.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, good representation.
And then if you're in range orwhatever and you don't get a
shot because of whatever, thenthat's just part of hunting.
But I feel like if we can dothat, like once, like we, I feel
that we fulfilled kind of ourside of our side of the deal.
Yeah, and sometimes it justdoesn't work out, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
No, it's good, it was fun to have him back.
So, just like such a nice guy,um like pleasure to talk.
Talk to everything Like him andyour dad can sit around and
talk about Buffalo for like fivehours and, yeah, it was a great
time.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, super fun.
Um so back to Cole.
You originally from Louisianawe know how old were you when
you went to Colorado?
Nine, nine, yeah, yeah.
And your dad because of thehunting move there, yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
He would go every year.
I think it was like first rifle.
He would go to Colorado and uhdown like Pagosa Springs, and we
would hunt.
Like I never hunted cause I wastoo young and uh, but like the
whole family would come up anduh, he would hunt for a week and

(12:56):
before we went up he used to dolike bring horses and like him
and his buddy would do I don'tthink they like packed in, but
they like could ride out of campevery day and uh, yeah, they
would hunt every year.
And he just kind of fell in lovewith Colorado and moved us up,
not near Pagosa, but um, yeah,it was actually funny.

(13:19):
Like we moved to Colorado in2009 and I don't think we hunted
there, like around Pagosa,until like 2017 or something
like we just like we would goback and visit every every once
in a while, but yeah, so, uh,yeah, but before that, I mean, I

(13:40):
was hunting like as literallyas long as I could remember,
like I was shooting Tweety birdswith a BB gun with my sister
like every day.
Um, but yeah, I shot my firstdeer at six years old, which is
legal in Louisiana.
Um, so, yeah, but yeah, it wasall to him.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, that's awesome.
And your dad still is huntinglike crazy.
He shot a nice buck this yeartoo.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Mm, hmm, yep, a bunch of kickers eight by eight.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah.
Super sweet buck, yeah Um.
What got you into guiding then?

Speaker 4 (14:18):
So when I graduated high school, um, my plan was to
go to college, get my businessdegree and do like, maybe like
open a fab shop, like a weldingfabrication shop.
And I was just like immediatelyhating college.
And uh, so I was like, well,I'll just work at a fab shop.

(14:43):
So I started working at thisfab shop and just like
immediately quit going to school, just like mid semester.
Like I did one semester and Ithink I passed like half those
first classes.
But yeah, so that secondsemester I was just done and I

(15:03):
started as a painter and justkind of worked my way up to like
welding like handrails andstaircases and call everything,
and I did that for like a yearand a half, two years and I
think I was pretty good at it.
But I just saw myself beingthere for like the next 20, 30

(15:29):
years so I was like it scared meand I was like, and I don't
know guiding's, just like, well,what can I do that I'm
passionate about?

Speaker 5 (15:40):
and it's like, oh, you can be a hunting guide and
do it for a living Were you evernervous that you were gonna
like love hunting and become ahunting guide and like making
your hobby a job like end uplike hating hunting?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, especially that.
Well, the first outfiter Iworked for, like he kind of
reinforced that for me becausehe hates hunting, like he
doesn't hate it but he's justlike could care less about it,
like we just he was all aboutthe horses and that was his

(16:16):
thing and the hunting side wasjust like something he kind of
had to do to pay the bills, butso it was like a little worried
about that.
But I don't know, I kind offound my niche a little bit now
and yeah, I mean, I don't know,probably won't be forever, but

(16:38):
yeah, unless you find some landand start your own outfit.
Yeah, get a lease somewhere,maybe, maybe but, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, even it's kind of funny before Steve left he
was like what are you guys gonnado the next few days?
Because he got to get out ofthere early and I was like I
don't know, probably paint somewalls, because we're working on
a house, and probably go lookfor some deer.
And he's like, well, you guysdon't have any people, do you?
Like.

(17:08):
Why are?
You going looking for a deer?
I was like, I just like it.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
It's just what we do in the morning.
We just like it.
Yeah, even this morning I wassleepy and Jordan was wide awake
like before the sun came up,and she was like I'm gonna go
for a drive you, you're good yousleep in.
And she got up and just likemade a lap around glass, some
deer, and just like see what'sgoing on, just keeping a tally.

(17:34):
Sure, of course it's.
Sunday the locals, you know.
I'm just making sure everyoneknows we're around.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah.
So, gosh, do you guide for,you're guiding for us, and then
you're gonna do some odd dadstuff, right?

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, after we're down here.
Yeah, I think I might well.
I did audit last year in WestTexas and then I think I might
should be guiding for Scotty attop of Texas this year.
And yeah, I'm doing so, I dowell.
This year I did started in theEastern.

(18:16):
No, I said I guess I started asaudit in January.
Yeah, and then so I did January, february, march, halfway
through March, went to NewZealand.
March, april, may, june, newZealand, came back, didn't guide
for July and then started inEastern Colorado in August, did

(18:40):
a bunch of archery antelopeAugust, september and then
rolled into deer and EasternColorado, do that through
October and then here, thenDecember we're done and
Christmas thing and then back toback to Texas, back to Texas.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
So right after we go on an Arizona Archery hunt.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, the trio of us yeah, we're gonna do the
archery only OTC Arizona hunt,which is gonna be cool, art it's
just.
Are you gonna try to shoot acoo's deer?
No, no, just mule deer, coo'sdeer suck if you have to choose,

(19:28):
though.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
I mean, if a coo's deer standing right next to mule
deer, what are you gonna?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
shoot, I'm shooting meal.
Dude, I'm shooting meal.
I knew that was gonna be theend, but all the Arizona guys
you talked to there's like oh,there's stupid desert donkeys,
and it's like bigger we've shotwhites.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I mean we've hunted white tail.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Coo's deer is white tail yeah, I can just go to
white tail forever.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I just go to public land and she 100 inch white tail
coo's deer, call it a coo'sdeer.
Yeah, that's gonna be fun thesetwo have tags.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
I opted out of the tag purchase and thought, man,
that's a lot of deer to betrying to shoot and your dad's
going to right, and so I waslike we don't need to be trying
to shoot for deer down there andI have just as much fun, I
think, spotting then.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I really do I really enjoy.
This is really what happened.
It was time to buy the tag andLeah's at the thing about ready
to push we've got coal onspeakerphone.
Yeah, we have coal onspeakerphone and I go how many
deer did you see last year?
Like, do you see a lot of bucks?
He's like how many deers yousee?

Speaker 4 (20:32):
six no, I saw 56, but over six days oh, I thought you
said six oh, I totally, I waslike we see you.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
I maybe did you just say six nice bucks though no, I
saw like two nice bucks maybe.
Okay, yeah, I was like literallytyping in my information in the
Arizona game of fish and likethey were like counting down.
Like every time we looked atthe screen it was like there's
like 80 tags left.
And then it was like there's 60tags left and every.
I was like I was like trying toinput my crap in as fast as I

(21:07):
could and there's like 19 tagsleft.
And all of a sudden I hear Colebe like yeah, I only sell like
six nice, six decent bucks and Iwas like whoa, wait, wait, wait
we're gonna walk down therewith four tags, and there's only
potentially six to ten nicedeer that we're gonna see and I
was like

Speaker 4 (21:23):
no, we don't need that many tags glass until I had
headaches every day for sixstraight days and I saw two deer
and like it wasn't like I wasseeing, like oh, this looks like
150, but that's like a 140, butit was like nothing of any size

(21:44):
and then I was like giantreally yeah yeah, like a 230
buck.
Oh, I don't think 230, but 215he was definitely 230.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, you didn't tell me that I would have got a tag.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
I did not hear any talk of it over 200 year Good.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
I'll show you a picture.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah, I definitely want to see that picture.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I have a.
We've been.
We talked about a little bit.
I got my bow stolen in Colorado, so that's awesome.
So I got a new bow and Colehelped me set it up and we paper
tuned it.
I haven't sided it in yet.

(22:26):
It's the same as your old bow,though like oh yeah, yeah, I
know I'm not worried about it,but I've got that dialed site.
So I was shooting a black gold,the SNS archery, backcountry
Freakin, whatever, I don't know.
It's just it was five pins Witha slider.
I'm used to sighting that kindof thing in like the pins will

(22:47):
move so I can get that set.
I know how to do the slider.
And when I got the new bow Iwas like I did I look this sites
good, got the 380, $400.
I mean for a site.
And I was just like, dude, allI have this dialed site that
they had sent Yanni and I and Ihaven't used it yet.

(23:09):
So I was like why don't I justput that on?
Because I already have it andit has me stressed out a little
bit because you can't move thepins.
So I'm like I Mean are they justset what they are, and you're
just like you shoot it andfigure out that your second pin
is 35 or something.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
We'll figure it out.
We're gonna figure it out.
I think it'll.
It's probably like way moresimple than we're like Making it
out to be, but I've never usedit.
It looks cool.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, looks cool.
The idea is kind of interesting.
Like the, you know, on a normalsite your Gears for your
adjustments straight up and down.
This one's like tilted andapparently the idea for that is
you get more travel up and downso you can shoot further
distance without your sighthousing being To like smack your

(24:06):
fletchings yeah, we're hit yourarrow, or whatever.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
So I had a guy you have that here Is.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It in the house, the bow.
Yeah, yeah, cole, help me setit up.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah I don't know her house, oh, but it's down there
as I didn't know if we just wantto grab it and, like, show what
you're talking about, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I had a guy shoot his sight housing this year.
It blew up right D rail is bow.
It didn't blow up, but oh, wewere able to just run to Bass
Pro and Throw the strings andcables back on and it was good.
Just no bubble Shot through thebubble.
I mean it was best, worst case,such a situation.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Oh yeah, I can't believe that arrow didn't blow
up and go through his hand, orsomething.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I should have known better, but Is that the
only major mishap you had thisyear?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Hmm, that's the only one I can think of Top of my
head.
Yeah, nobody's shown up withlike the wrong tire, or nothing.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
No.
It's been pretty good smooth.
I feel like it's all those PDFfiles I send.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, knock on wood, it was six more to go.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, anything can happen.
Yes, six more to go.
Yeah, he'll be good.
God, what else freaking Gearstuff that we use?
Oh, maybe we should talk realquick.
I want to talk about this thing.
So I always thought that thesewere stupid, and then I was

(25:35):
around.
I don't even know why, how Igot the idea that I was like oh,
oh, we've had to shoot a lotsitting this year.
I feel like the grass.
It was a big spring of Wetspringand so the grass got really
high, so regular bipods aresomewhat worthless currently so
yeah, there's just been multipletimes where it's like God's

(25:57):
trying, trying to just get setup for shot and so I was like I
need to go get a set of.
Somebody had a set Maybe it'sjust yours and I was messing
with it and I was like, damn,these are actually kind of nice
described to the people thataren't on video.
Oh yeah, You're talking aboutit's a primos trigger stick, the
gen three, the tripod version.
Yeah, so this one's a tripodversion.

(26:18):
I also bought a bipod versionbecause I think that they'll be
good for coyote hunting.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Have you seen where it locks in?
No so say you want to go out.
Like you got to go.
I didn't know, they swung outlike that you can twist this and
Then you can get really low.

(26:45):
Pretend the tables right here.
Yeah.
But I mean, you can only go toa certain degree.
Then these start sliding out.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But so I was literally about to bitch about
that.
They're pretty sweet.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
And then this this one doesn't have, because when
we were coyote hunting you weretalking about how the bipod kind
of Old, yeah, a little bit.
I wish I should have brought thebipod in with us too, because
right here the bipod it kind oftilt back and forth and I wish
and maybe you can we just kindof figure it out in the moment
that you could lock that.
So I want it tilt because, likeyou want to be able to twist

(27:21):
this, but when we were coyotehunting, something like all of a
sudden you know the weight ofyour gun or something, would
kind of make it tilt yeah and itwould kind of wanted it to be
able to lock.
But this thing is pretty sweet,like.
Easy little setup.
They see one trigger to justlike adjust, boom like angles
different like Boom done.

(27:44):
Yeah, like I need that anglechange, boom done, like it's
just super quick, especially forguiding when you want to like
give your client the best likeoption for a good shot, you know
.
And it goes pretty tall too, Idon't know they make different
sizes.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
We got the shorter one.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
There was another one that had enough length that you
could really stand up on it,but we hardly ever, ever do.
We need a full stand-up shot.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, let's say you're like laying down, and
then you can just kind of no,they're yeah, they're good for
like.
Yeah, I don't know motherloader.
They're actually really good.
Yeah cuz you.
Yeah, like Need to cutsomething off bedded buck,

(28:34):
whatever you know.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah they're quick.
So that's the situation we gotin the other day with Steve is
like the hill was like oh soever, like kind of gradually
rolling, so we needed to usethat.
But we were kind of on a sidehill and so when he had it just
out, normal, it was like kind oftippy, it wanted to tip over
and he's like dude, grab thisleg and stabilize it.

(28:57):
So I was just grabbing it and,like you know, like Pushing in
the ground basically, and hesaid it made it.
It was like stable as rock.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
But that was gonna be my complaint, as I was like, if
you were by yourself, thatwould have sucked, but you can
just tilt, like if you couldhave tilted that leg up, then
you, I mean, that would havefixed it.
Yeah cuz you would havelengthened your other two legs
and tilted the other one out andleveled her up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Right but, now you know, you can so nice.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I would have never figured how much.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
How much was that thing?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
They're expensive, like $80.
Yeah, they're both.
Ah, the bipod, I think mighthave been like 90 or something
and that thing was like 118.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, this is the shorter version of what I have.
Mine is 160, but yeah, theyseem expensive.
But they're not gimmicky like.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
They're not like cheap, no it seems like it's a
pretty solid material and likeif this is what you're doing,
like it's we have an outfit like, like it's a well worth the
money obviously for us and likeyou as a guide, like it's well
worth the money to be able to belike here, like as a for your
client, like to give them like asolid rest, like it's all about

(30:15):
Like all that work that you putforth, like making a good shot
ultimately at the end of allthat work, and so it's like if
you can have a hundred dollarpiece of equipment that makes
that shot 10 times easier tomake, like it's worth it yeah,
I'm, I've never brought one likeon a personal hunt, but that's
something you might want to talkabout is like those like little

(30:37):
six inch Bipods to me are justpaper.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Where it's just personally, I just think that's
paper weight because, like andI've had arguments with people
but like, so rare Is there asituation where you can get on a
rock or something like, yeah,if you're shooting across a
canyon at something, but like,nine times out of ten you're
gonna have grass or brush orwhatever.

(31:02):
Like, if you're gonna go prone,you probably need to be 12
inches off the ground and then,but also To shoot off your knees
or off your butt.
To have a bipod that can dothat, like that's, that's key to
me.
Like I just use the what isthat one that is on my gun, on

(31:23):
that 300?
You don't know, it's like theone.
You can buy it like Walmart, ohlike a Harris by yeah, yeah,
yeah, but the I think it's anAthens maybe, where you can like
grab the leg, pull it out, andthen there's a bunch of notches.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, that's, that's the one that I have.
That's a, an Alice.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Alice, yeah, that's, that's my favorite one.
Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I've been, I've been running and it works really good
.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I ran into a situation last year when we were
in Montana when I was layingprone, I found a spot that I
could see I was shooting acrossa little draw and the buck was
bedded down, but I still like,didn't have enough height even
with my tripod or my bipodpulled all the way out and there
, conveniently, was a nicelittle cow pie Next to me.

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I slid the cow pie overunderneath my bipod and it gave
me that like two inches that Ineeded to like get.
So I was solid, but I thoughtthat was pretty Classic.
Good use of your surroundings,so good.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Um, um, god dang.
What else I want to get intoafter I want to get.
I want to dive into a coupleother things first, but towards
the end here We'll dive into ourjust absolute tragedy of a
coyote.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
You want to do that right now, right now.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I wanted to do that at the end.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, finish off with everyone laughing at our yeah.
Yeah.
Just stupidity, Just a trainwreck.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Um, but, uh, I want to talk about, let's see, we've
gone through some clients.
Everybody's been really good,um, but sometimes there's like
miss, what you call itmisconceptions or unrealistic
expectations that we've seen inprevious years.
Um, and I want to talk aboutthat a little bit.

(33:15):
Just like total mindset, um,and here's what I tell.
People is like, you know,everybody wants to hear
Seriously people that write in,everybody wants to hear the
horror stories from guiding andI don't know, we haven't.
We haven't had anything.
That's real bad.
Um, I had a guy's side his bow,and wrong once was, oh, it was

(33:36):
upside down, yeah.
So basically here's his pins.
He thought his bottom one was20, so before he came out, where
did you hear this?

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I think I've heard it vaguely about it.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Tell me again.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So this guy comes out .
He's Super, super nice, very,very funny.
Like means he means the best.
So he's coming out.
Uh, he had come out the yearbefore with another guy.
That guy bailed the next year.
So he's like screwed him andcome out myself.
So before his he goes to shoot,he shoots one shot, misses the

(34:20):
target, shoots through like awooden fence, goes through his
trash can and sticks in theneighbor's fence.
And so he just hung it up andsaid I'm going to the bow shop
with this thing.
So he goes to the bow shop andhe said they helped him side it
back in.
I was like all right.
So he shoots a couple times at20 and I'm like all right, like

(34:44):
looks good, let's go sit in thestand, and he like that first
night he missed, or that first,yeah, the first evening he
missed.
And he's like man, I just Imissed under him and I was like,
well, how far was it?
He's like it was 30 yards and Iwas like, okay, what do you?
Do you feel anything about it?
And he's like no, I just Ithink I rushed my shot and yeah,

(35:07):
yeah.
So I was like all right, so Igo sit.
I'm at the next morning, I pickhim up and as I'm walking up to
him, he goes if these are yourpins, which one would be your 20
?
And I said your top one?
And he goes oh shit.
So what had happened was thedeer came out at like 35.

(35:27):
He like his muscle memory tookover and he knew that his second
pin was 30.
So he goes to use his secondpin and shoots feet in front of
the I mean five feet in front ofthe deer probably.
So I was like, oh boy, so wegot him fixed up.
We just moved the whole entiresite back down and got him fixed

(35:51):
up.
But that's really.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Did he ever get a deer?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, he did.
This is another.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Wait, did he have?
Did he missed two?
Yeah.
And then he got one.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah yeah, and the recovery on his was fantastic.
He made a great shot.
The deer didn't go very far.
But here's something too Likeif you're in the stand and you
shoot a deer, it doesn't matterif you're with an outfitter by
yourself.
Make like really good mentalmarks of like where he was

(36:24):
standing, exactly whichdirection he went.
Like don't completely lose yourmarbles, just like you know
shoot.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
You're going to sit up there for like 30 minutes, so
just think about it like wherewere?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
to go Like pay attention to him and watch
exactly where he goes, likelisten, don't be all crazy.
And I don't think he was allcrazy or whatever.
He was jacked.
So I go pick him up and I startlooking around for blood and I
was like so which way again Didhe?
Did he go?
And he's like my best guess ishe he's somewhere in between

(37:00):
here and here.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Like Jordan's open Jordan has her hands at like 180
degrees right now for thepodcast.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
In my opinion he's somewhere between here and here
and I was like, okay, thatnarrows it down.
But we found him.
He didn't go very far, but ohman, so funny.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
And like on that same train is like, especially if
you're guided and like you knowyour guide's going to come and
want to like go and find thedeer with you, et cetera.
Like take some time to sit inthe tree and hang out or
whatever, but like don't getdown and start wandering around,
walking around, looking throughall the blood and stuff like

(37:43):
that.
Because then by the time likeespecially if it's like snowy or
something like by the time yourguide gets there and goes to
look for the snow, there's 4,000tracks everywhere and you're
trying to decipher like the boottracks versus the deer tracks.
Like maybe already stepped onsome blood and like it just like
starts messing everything up.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, and like the fact of the matter is too, like,
if you're going with an outfit,like we want people to stay in
their stands and have us comehelp them track, because, like
we know this place better thananybody, like I know this place
anyway like the back of my hand,and I know where the deer like
to go, I know where theirfunnels like to be, like, I know

(38:22):
what they typically tend to doand cold as to, and so we might
pick up on something, especiallyif they're not bleeding very
much.
Like we might pick up onsomething that well, you
wouldn't hear they normally.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
they're going to go down, they're going to dive by
this tree is.
It is a path that they like totake, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
And sometimes you know like people get really
excited and they get down andthey're just kind of like a
little turned around anyway,because they don't really know
where they are.
Like we walked them in the darkand then, they just yeah.
You can just yeah.
So I was singing about theother day when that me eater
video um, let me shoot in thecaribou came out.
Everybody was like such a stonecold, like no emotion killer or

(39:07):
whatever.
That's true.
Oh it's true, but also I thinkthe reason I do that is because,
like, I've been in situationswhere I didn't pay attention to
what the hell was excited beforeand scream yourself.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Exactly.
Yeah, that's exactly what youhave to say, like calm, cool and
collected until everything is100%.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, I got too pumped and was just like things
fell apart, and so I think thatthat's the way I am now and like
guiding to, we kind of have tobe, we have to be like that,
like we get excited.
I was freaking pumped whenSteve started that deer, but as
soon as he shot it and I knew hehit it, I just watched him in
my binoculars forever and likeeven after he was dead, I just

(39:52):
watched him and Steve said thesame things.
He was like uh, keep youreyeballs on him, like I'm going
to go back and get my pack, andhe's like don't take your eyes
off him.
And like I know not to do that,but you know he was telling me
that, cause he's like it's howit happened.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I screwed myself before like do not take your
eyes off that deer.
It happens so many times.
You always see people in thesevideos and stuff that like they
shoot the deer.
The deer's still like runningor kicking or doing something
and they're already celebrating.
Oh, like turning around, noteven looking at it.
They're turning their highfives in their buddies and stuff
and you're like dude, like thatthing is getting up and running

(40:25):
away right now and it'sliterally that happened.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
That was a video.
Somebody did a video on thatand they shot it.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
I know exactly You're talking about.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yeah, and you can like see it behind him.
Get up and he's like looking athis buddies.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yes, he's like they're celebrating.
Literally you can see on camerathat bowl gets up and runs off.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yeah, especially bowls.
Holy crap, like those guys arehuge they're.
They're super tough, like yougot to just just watch them,
shoot them and just payattention and like more than
likely it's going to take morethan one shot.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
My dad lost them in 90s book like that.
Like shot it with a seven mag,like off fence post, Like
watched it for a second SweetLike started like collecting his
stuff or whatever.
I don't remember what he wasdoing, but like he took his eyes
off of it and then like justwalked up there like to go get

(41:28):
it.
He might even went to get thetruck or something and it was
not there.
But he has pictures of the deeris like holy cow and never
found it.
Yeah, oh just like blood.
I think it's like no man's land.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
and then, just like the shock of the bullet, just
dropped it and just but yeah,dude that sucks Heart breaking,
yeah, but yeah, that's my likerandom little like rant is like
I see, I see people do that toomuch yeah.
Like even archery hunting, likethey shoot it and they turn to
their buddy and they're like Inailed it Like whoa and it's

(42:04):
like pay attention.
Like, look and watch exactlywhere that thing's going.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
So, yeah, yeah, do it all the time, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Do it all the time actually.
Yeah, so before I got away,squirreled, but that was a fun
squirrel.
Yeah.
Old nest to go down.
What is it called?
Squirrel rabbit, rabbit,squirrel rabbit hole, rabbit
hole.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Are you a golden?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
retriever Squirrel yeah there are squirrel nest
though.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Yeah, just so you know Good.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah so oh God dang.
Oh yeah Mentalities.
I've talked about it.
Expectations yeah I thinksetting realistic expectations
and realizing that it's going tobe hard, even on private it can
still just be hard, likethey're still freaking dear,
like it's not, like they're just, like it's not a hyphens yeah,

(43:01):
no, not at all.
So yeah, I think like realisticexpectations going in and I
think one of the things I seethe most I feel like I see it
happening more is like folks whomay not hunt as much, when they
book a hunt and come out Ifthey've been waiting for this

(43:22):
for a year and a half two years,like this specific hunt, you
can definitely there's somefizzling that happens that first
day and a little bit of likepanic in them when maybe they
haven't shot a deer yet, eventhough they've seen they've seen
a lot, or or if they mess upone opportunity, they think
that's it.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Like you know, it's just like that tenacity of like
staying, like sticking with it.
You know like people, just theyget, they like almost give up
after like one day if they'vemessed it up.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
We've Cole, and I have had to tell people before
like, hey man, we get up everyday and think today is as good a
day as any to like get on abuck, like it's.
There's never like a day that Iwake up that I'm just like God,
probably not going to get themone today.
I don't know that just nevercrosses my mind.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
It is every day is just like a new adventure, Like
what are we going to see today?
Like you just never know Like.
I mean, I'm sure every everyplace is different, but I do the
same thing even in Idaho, likeI'm always just like I.
I'm weird, maybe not, I don'tknow, maybe other people are
like this, but I have so muchfun glassing Like I could sit in

(44:36):
glass for days and I love it.
Yeah, and so I like every daythat we get to get to go and go
glass, I'm like what am I goingto see today?
You know it's never.
I've never been like, oh crap,like it's over, I'm not going to
see anything.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Like I think it's harder.
Sorry, I think it's harder on aplace you've never gone before
and you're like, well, prettymuch seeing everything in this
spot.
Dude, and then like we're hereand we know like, okay, I think
you know, we saw everything.
And then like, literally like10 bowls come out of this one

(45:15):
little section of trees and it'slike dude, I could have swore
there wouldn't be a single deerin there.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yeah, let alone 10 giant bull.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
And then we just know that, like what, like just
different days are just sowildly different.
Like you know, you may not seedeer here this morning, so you
could like like me personally,if I'm going to a different spot
than I've ever been to, I'm,like you know, I gave this day
like a full, solid day of likehunting and I haven't seen

(45:45):
anything and I'm like okay, I'mgonna move on, which is smart.
But like we know that, likeokay, today there wasn't any
deer here, you know theredefinitely could be tomorrow.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, and like we have, like our set, little kind
of like glassy knobs and stufflike that that we go to almost
every single time all seasonlong and we see different deer
all season long, Steve's book hejust moved in yeah, like we
literally got that book oncamera like four days or

(46:21):
something like that, beforeSteve got here.
We're like well, that's a newbook.
And like every deer, likethere's a couple of resident
deers, there's a couple ofresident deer that like we see
consistently and stuff, but likeeven the ones that we know are
residents and we're like up onthose glassy knobs, we might see
a different one every day, likewe're not going to see the same

(46:43):
one every day, Like we'll seeyou know one out of the four, or
here or there or whatever, andthen new ones are moving in,
other ones are moving out, likeyou just never know.
And so it's like you just stayconsistent, stay glassy, like
something new will walk in frontof you eventually.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, I think so too.
And just aside from here, justlike in Western hunting, you
know more Western, I guess, thanwhat we are now here in
Nebraska, which is basically allof the West is West of Nebraska
.
I don't know if you knew thatsolidly Midwestern city is like

(47:27):
I think, just like be out theredoing something.
There's times where, you know,after we hunt for a few days or
whatever and we feel tired,maybe we'll just take the truck
and go run around and we'llglass out of that on some high
points, Maybe run through somenew country, like, just try to
do something, Don't don't havehave that mindset, have the

(47:51):
mindset of like I maybe don'tfeel like walking up that
mountain this morning, so I'mnot going to go at all.
Yeah, so I'm just going to layin bed.
Be like, if I really don't, ifyou really aren't going to do
that, don't lay in bed.
Sorry, don't lay in bed Go.
Do something else.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Yeah, like ride around in your side by side Go,
go check out new country, go,you know, but like and then do
something.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, do something to help you.
And then maybe you know afterthat morning you go, and then
you go back up to where you knowyou had been before or whatever
.
But don't be like, well, if Iwas just seeing more deer I'd go
back up there, or if I was justseeing more deer I would get
out of bed this morning Likethat's stupid.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah, worthless mindset.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, yeah.
But if you're just like I'vebeen hunting for five days, I
don't feel like it this morning,dang, I don't feel like it this
morning, then sleep in whateverand hit it hard this afternoon.
But I'm just trying to getacross like don't have this just
total defeated mindset of likeoh, poor me, I've fricking

(49:09):
waited for a year to go on thishunt and I'm two days into it
and I haven't got a bowl and ora buck.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I'm just gonna give up.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, poor me, I'm just gonna give up and go home.
I'm like, don't be stupid.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Just persistence.
Just stay out there.
You're not gonna shoot anythingfrom your couch.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
And trust me, Leah has to tell me this every year.
I have to push her and she hasto push me.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
Yeah, I always have to push Cole.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Whatever he's pushing both of us.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
No, I think that's another important thing is like,
if you choose your huntingpartner wisely, like you want to
find someone that like, likepicks you up on those days that
you're doubting it.
Like, don't find someone that'sa pessimist, that like the
second you're like I don't know,dude, they're like yeah, this
sucks.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Let's get out of here .
You know like blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
And everyone's well.
Jordan, no, I think we, we bothobviously like go through
stages where we're like, damn,we're not seeing much, blah,
blah, blah, and it's just likehaving that other person, that's
just like, well, let's just goover on this spot, like, let's,
let's go over and check thisarea out.
We haven't been there this yearand just like changing it up
but staying out there.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
It's interesting, cause people a lot of times
always ask the question likethey always ask Robbie this how
do you know when to stay, likewhen to leave a spot and go to a
new one, or when to stay, andthey try to tackle the question
all the time.
But I think that's like a kindof a fine line that we're
talking about too.
Like you don't want to beridiculous, like if you feel

(50:39):
like you've put four super soliddays into an area and you
haven't seen anything, like it'sprobably not there if you've
ever seen it in there to startwith.
So there's that.
And then there's just like youknow, oh, I've been, this is
going to be harder than Ithought and I'm just going to go
home.
I don't know it's hard, but Imean and those are tough hunts

(51:01):
that we're talking about this iseasy, this here we get a like
super hot, awesome meal thatClaire makes.
Every night.
You're in a house with frickingdish, tv watching football hot
showers internet, hot showers,drinking some Coors light and
like that's easy and peoplestill fall apart.

(51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Yeah, You're not like in a tent freezing your ass off
.
Everything's wet.
Yeah.
Like all the things that arethat can go bad.
Go bad Like yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
So like one thing that was kind of interesting
this year that I experienced waslike um, I had more fun, I had
I hunted more in Idaho this yearthan I ever have.
Um, I hunted harder.
I like never went home really.
I was staying in the camp forsome of the time, but um, I
never, I really never went home.

(51:52):
I stayed out there the wholetime and I literally did not
care if I filled my tag or not,and just that mindset made it so
much fun.
I hunted way harder, theexperience was way more awesome
and I didn't shoot a deer andI'm okay with that.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Yeah and and like, if you're only going to go out for
one deer hunt a year and youneed to fill a freezer, like
your mindset's going to bedifferent.
Then, if you go out formultiple hunts a year, your
freezer's full and you get to,like, relax and enjoy the hunt
for what it is.
Yeah, if you're just trying togo out and whack a deer so you

(52:29):
can put food on the freezer andlike, get to your kids'
basketball game or something,you're going to have a different
experience than than like, likeyou said this year, like we
have plenty of meat in thefreezer and you could just enjoy
it for what it is yeah, we'reso lucky for that.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
No, we're so lucky man.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
We are so lucky.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Like, yeah, I just could not care less to shoot a
rag corn this year.
Cause like I was, just like Idon't want to pack it out.
Like you know, I've shot raghorns.
Yeah, I mean it would have beencool to shoot a good bull, but
I was like cool, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Like, if you don't, it's lost $50 on a tag and
exactly yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I mean learn more about the unit.
I always hunt, so and that'sdude.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
that's totally a like good thing to say, because
every year, like how many daysyou put in, this year I have no
idea 20 plus or whatever on thatdeer hunt.
You know more about that unitnow than you did the year before
, and then you can attack ityeah.
A completely different way, evennext year.
Same thing with you, like, ifyou like, whatever tactics you

(53:41):
were doing you know archery, elkhunting and stuff like no
matter what, if you're out thereand you're doing it, you're
learning, like, and you're justgoing to be better the next year
, whether you are successful ornot.
And that's it.
That's a good thing Moreknowledge.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, Gosh anything else before we dive into the
wheel off of us.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
No, yeah, let's talk about our like gear, like you
can't live without.
Yeah, things that we like usethis week.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Okay, you don't know about live without, but yeah,
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Helps helped us this week.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, cole, would you like to?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
go first.
Um, I've been thinking aboutthat really hard.
Um, the Steve brought like ahis little skinning or his
predator Geez Furbearer kit.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
And uh, he had, you know, the tail stripper and the
little knife like it's got alittle hole in it.
You put your finger in thereand you can just run it down the
tail and open the tail up.
That way you can get borax inthere and dry the tail out.
And he had this little.
It was a little piece ofaluminum with two holes on
either side, and then I think ithad a.

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Was that a chain or?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
a chain Like a little chain.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
It was a little chain and it went up to that uh piece
of aluminum and then went to ahis or it went to a little
carabiner carabiner which hadlike a little O ring or whatever
it was, and then it had twochains coming down from that
aluminum and they had a littleum, a little ring on the end and

(55:24):
then you could just feed thechain through and then like
stick a leg through and it wouldlike grab on.
And yeah, we just like skinnedboth of his coyotes.
Well, I think Leah shot one, heshot the other, but me and him
skinned it out.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Yeah, yeah, we got three.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Jordan shot one, uh, I missed.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
I feel like we all had a little bit of a missus.
Yeah, we'll get to that.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
But uh, yeah, I mean that was we're yanking on it,
but like I started a littleafter Steven, we finished pretty
close at the same time, like itwas not bad to do two at once,
but that was handy.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Yeah, it was pretty handy and it didn't seem like it
weighed that much.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
He brought it in a little like FHF bag, yeah, and
cause he knew that.
He knew that we were going togo coyote hunting if we got his
deer and um, yeah.
So he brought all this stuffjust to have it ready and I was
like I never skinned a coyotebefore.
If I'm being perfectly honest,I've always shot a lot of
coyotes but we've never beenlike fur getting people.

(56:28):
I've always just taken minewhole to sell them and you and
you still can.
I actually looked up the likefur guy in town and it's not
that much different, um,currently with the current
prices, whole with, with theskin still on, um, compared to
like like skin stretched, dried,all the et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, um, but yeah, so I'dnever done that before, so I got

(56:50):
to like sit there and just kindof watch you guys do it.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Yeah, I last time I've skinned a coyote was
probably 10 years ago, um, butBob cats is pretty much the same
thing Just to put them out for,to stretch them and uh
everything.
But no, it's good to good to dothat again and I think Steve's

(57:14):
going to send you a tan hide andthat's going to be cool.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, it'll be cool hanging up.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
He's making a blanket yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Yep, um, I think my gear thing was that we went on a
night hunt.
Let's see, you guys are veryshortly going to hear about um
and that Jordan has this.
Uh, it's a wicked, wickedlights.
Is it predator pursuit?
You told me it was a wickedlight.
It is oh got you.
It's from Wicked Lights, but um,it's a red light.
Slash also a regular uhflashlight but it is white.

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It's white, red and green.
Oh, you have green too Nice.
So it is crazy bright for aregular white light and that's
what you'd use last year aroundcalving season when the coyotes
are like literally surroundingthe house.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
The max.
I shot a coyote at 300 yardswith it.
That's probably the max.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
With the white light.
Yeah, that was cool last year,um, and we had never really or I
hadn't even ever used the redlight version and Steve had this
exact same light on, like alittle like pistol grip handle.
So when we went out, um, I wasin charge of the light.
Uh, and it was I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, Ithought it was great, like the,

(58:24):
the coyotes just didn't seemlike they really even cared.
You could see their eyes reallywell, um and uh.
So, yeah, I, literally I'malready like putting one on
order.
Jordan has hers, so that wayyou can stick it on a Picatinny
rail on the side of the yeah, soyeah, that's what I use for,
like during calving season.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
We had a lot of um coyote problems this year.
So, yeah, that's what I wasdoing.
I was.
They would just kind of hangaround the house.
I would literally I would be inbed and in the middle of the
night I would hear them howlingand I would just like get my
light and go outside and I wouldhave just like a regular
spotlight.
And then that and uh, cause Ididn't have, I didn't have a
thermal yet and yeah, it workedgood, I would just like go out

(59:05):
and just like shine around whereI thought they were going to be
and I would see eyes and Iwould just shut the thing off
and uh, then just try to getcloser.
And when I thought I was closeenough, I would like get laid
down, get everything kind of set, and then I would just, that
has a remote switch that comesoff the back of it and I have
that Velcro to the side of myrifle and I would just like get

(59:26):
it up to where I thought I wasgoing to be, put my power all
the way down, pop the light onum, find him, and then go power
up and shoot him and they I meaneven with the white light.
That was all with the whitelight, and they didn't care.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Yeah, it didn't seem to care.
Um, and so, yeah, I like we hadour little fun night hunt and I
was like that was fun andthere's obviously a ton of
coyotes around here.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
So I think the three of us are going to go.
Ham, I have a question.
Do you have your collar here?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, it's in the truck, yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
It's in the truck before I leave tonight.
We should, uh, if you're opento it, just throw it out there
in the pasture and see whatcomes across.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
We can sit right on the porch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah, 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah, yeah, so real quick.
The color we're using is alucky duck revolt.
It's pretty awesome Actually.
It's got it's like gutter, it'sgot a remote.
It goes like has this magnetictripod that magnets into the
bottom of it.
You can set it out.
It gets it a little higher offthe ground, but then you can
make it rotate, um, so you canlike change a little bit of how

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the sound is getting thrown outthere, which makes it just a
little bit more realistic.
And then in the handle there'slike this little foxtail looking
thing that pops out and magnetsinto the top, and then you have
a settings on your remote thatwill make the decoy move or not.
It gives them something to lookat with the sound.
It's a bad ass, little.

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Thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
It works good.
I think we called in 10 coyotes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
And how many of you guys?
Three, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
That leads us right into yeah, so we wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Uh, steve wanted to coyote hunt quite a bit, he
loves that and so we went out.
The first well, the first, Iguess, midday you, him and I
went out.
Um, I shot a coyote with withthat, and then that night we
wanted to go out and all four ofus went and we had, uh, steve

(01:01:22):
had a thermal and AGM thatranged, which was, which was
super nice.
And then I had two sig thermals, one on my tread and then one
that the other somebody else, Ithink.
Cole had it.
Yeah, cole was just likescanning with it.
Um, steve was shooting my crossand do we have a?
We had my.

(01:01:42):
There's a, there's a, there's athe other.
Uh, we had another cross there,or did you have your shotgun?

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I had my shotgun and you had the black cross.
No, you didn't have a gun.
Okay, no, yeah, we'll get thatfirst set, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I did eventually, yeah, not to start.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
So we uh, yeah, so we sit down, we go up to just the
spot we called the meadow we setup.
It's completely dark.
I have this light that at thetime I completely forgot that I
even had a red setting.
Um, and then Steve had his.
I was only on the red set, youdidn't have this mounted to a?

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
gun or anything.
Cole was just in charge of it,or were you did you, that was me
.
Yeah, that was you Cause, nowonder.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I had three things that I was in charge of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Yeah, I didn't know you had that oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So anyways we walk in , go, set the collar out, sit
down, start calling.
Pretty soon, steve goes.
Jordan, there's a coyote comingin on your right.
Look over, it's a raccoon comesin, and about that time I hear
you guys say there's at leastone coming in front of us, or
something.
It was a good while yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
So like yeah, it was.
One was coming and then a goodwhile later.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, so the one comes in, okay.
So, first off, I did a classicthing I'm using an AR, I am
trying to be quiet, I don't wantto just like slam my bolt down,
so I like try I get a shell inquietly and then my forward

(01:03:27):
assist, I hit it and I thoughtthat everything clicked in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Yeah, and I was worried about that in the moment
, but I watched you like pop itand I was like sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, not so fast.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
I've done that before so many times, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
So the coyote comes in, steve's like he's 120.
He's in 100.
He's at 90.
He's at he's like 60 yards andI waited for the thing to stop
click and I was like oh shit.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
So I was all of us hear this click and we're all
like oh no, that's where thewheels started coming off pretty
fast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I went to just rack another one in.
Well, since it didn'tcompletely like, not, it cocked,
but it since it didn'tcompletely like, grab that shell
and seat good, it didn't ejectit.
So then it just tried to slideanother one in and then it was
jammed up in the dark and I wasjust like I couldn't find the

(01:04:25):
collar, I couldn't find myfreaking light, like everything
is just it's pitch black.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
There's no moon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
And people are like Steve's, like what's going on?
Shoot, shoot, shoot.
I was just like dude, my gun isjammed.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
So we can't see the Jordan's having a situation
pretty soon the red light comeson.
Okay, so then that's when my myshow started, because there was
another one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
There's another coyote with that one that came
in behind Hang on.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Okay, this is where you guys are getting the story
wrong already, so you had them.
No, so first the coyote comesin and you're getting on him and
it was just like too far, toofar, and like Steve gets on him

(01:05:19):
with the red light.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
No, she clicked first .
No, yeah, yeah, it was becauseit was at 60 yards.
I mean, I'm sitting there inthe dark.
I have no.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
I think that whole story is correct.
I just thought that the onecame in first, right after the
raccoon.
Mm-hmm.
Steve had him out there andlike couldn't see.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Yeah, that was after Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
How's after my click?

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Yeah, because her click and everything happened.
And then he goes screw it, leah,red light, red light.
And so I have his and he hadlike showed me, like you know,
you click this, it turns on suchas that, and then you can twist
this and it turns up theintensity.
And so he's like you just start, like with it up in the air,
you turn it on, and then youbring it down and you like turn

(01:06:03):
up the intensity and so, like Iclick it and it like the the
like intensity is really low,and so I like you know, turn it
up and I like, but I'm like Ilike bring it down.
He's like what like turn it up,I'm like I did turn it up.
He's like, no, turn it up, likeit's not like really shining
that well.
And he's like, oh, you got atwist this and I didn't know you

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could like twist the front ofit to like narrow down that
being block turns into a little,yeah, little block, and so he's
trying to help me with my shitshow, trying to get the red
light.
Finally get it like shine itover.
See two coyotes like standinglike back-to-back like 50 yards
apart, and then Steve's tryingto pull up your regular cross,

(01:06:46):
with no night like optics oranything, and yeah, you have
your rifle set up for like longrange shooting so as a really
fine Crosshairs, and he was likecouldn't see.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Before that he gets, gets on it.
How do you turn the safety?

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
I didn't want to like click my headlamp on, so I just
got the thermal white.
And I was like shined it on him, and meanwhile I'm the only one
watching George's.
Mess with a gun.
Lee has messed with the lightand I was the one on the third
wall.
Some like Like shined it on.
He finds the safety, turns itoff safety, and then I'm like

(01:07:37):
back.
Nobody can find the coyote andit goes like out of range.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Yeah, because then he's like they get behind me.
I'm like trying to scoop behindhim, because he was like needed
more light, like through thescope in order to get to that's
when he couldn't see yeah, andso then I finally, I'm like like
the coyote is right there.
I'm like shoot it, shoot it,shoot it.
And he's like I can't see, youknow, he's like doing this
business.
It oh, it was, yeah, it wasrough.
And then all of a sudden, thisgiant flashlight is just One

(01:08:14):
hand.
I Was like in my head, I'm likesuper steady with the red light
like shining on this coyote,and I was like cool, you are the
worst flashlight person in theplanet.
There's like coyotes.

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Everywhere it's like everywhereI shine, there's Freakin
eyeballs eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I got done with that first little, just miss it was
to yeah, yeah, left.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
Mm-hmm, yeah, well, yeah, I never even saw the one
that you miss, like the 61 was a60 yards, never saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
We've got to get our stuff together and About.
Then somebody's like Calls likethere's five or there's more
coming.
There's five out there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
I was like what is that?
And I look so shitloadedcoyotes and Steve's like there's
like five of them.
Mm-hmm.
And so they're coming in.
Jordan's still fucking with it.
So, she finally like they'recoming in and I'm watching them.
And then Jordan like Okay, I'mgood, sweet, so.

(01:09:24):
And then like I Don't rememberwhat happened, but somehow we're
not looking at the five thatare coming in anymore.
Yeah we go back one, steve's,like, there's this one, or maybe
, maybe you found it.
You found it in your scope.
You didn't see the five probablybecause I thought I was
pointing that yeah, and it'spitch black, it's pitch black,

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and then everybody's got thisthermal in their eyes, so it's
like You're blind.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Oh, I was blind and I didn't have a thermal in my
eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Trust me, there was like no see yeah so Jordan's
like I, I'm on him, and thenlike somehow Steve gets on him
and he's like okay, he's 120because.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
I had the red light.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
It was one of the ones that we had already called
in and we're coming back in.
He's like alright, 120, 81, andthen I was like kissing at him
in the Jordan whistle.
Mm-hmm boom smacks it just.
I just watched the thing in mythermal and I'm like it just
dead and I'm like, all right,turn the big light on.

(01:10:25):
Turn the big light on.
Oh, oh, pause, go back fiveminutes.
After that whole fiasco I askedSteve.
I was like, um, hey, steve, areyou gonna try to?
Are you gonna try to shoot atthese if they come in?
Talking about the five, he'slike man, the, the crawlsters
are just too fine.
I'm gonna have to have reallygood backlash.

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I'm like he's like, unless youreyesight is better, I was like,
yeah, I'm gonna give it a shotand and I was like, yeah, so
then, right after Jordan hammersthat one, I'm like Turn the big
light on.
Turn the big light and get onthe five, and I'm just gonna try
like clean up on the five.
Well, they're nowhere to befound.

(01:11:08):
Yeah, Jordan the one thatJordan just sent to heaven is
Back a lot pretty soon.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
Steve's like oh shit, that one's up and running and
so he's swing back over to itand then proceed to just tab
dance.
Yeah, around it, both of you.
I think we're shooting at thatpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
We're just like and.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Yeah, it was gone, yeah it took off and was never
seen again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, we called in what seven, eight, something
like that went home was zero.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Yeah, I had it been seven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Haven't been back.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
You know, yeah, we need to go back, but I'm gonna
wait until my red light shows up.
I think that if we have two ofthe if you're like budgeting
right, like instead of dropping$5,000 on Some sort of, you know
, night vision situation, I feellike that's a thermal.
Thanks for that.
If we have, like you have.

(01:12:08):
I actually get some like atlike the Army Navy store or
whatever, just like an oldhelmet.
That'd be pretty sick.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
There's no haven't you ever heard of the stories of
those they're like?
There's no depth perceptionwith night vision really.
Yeah, so there kind of is withthermals a little, but With
there's not.
With night vision everything'sflat.
And you hear of guys that arelike overseas and they're
talking about.
They're like running and theythink something's like out a

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long ways from them.
They like clothes linethemselves on it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Yeah, oh no, I didn't know that.
I have heard stories of peoplethat are trying to hunt and they
think that there's like a biganimal like Coming in or
whatever, and then all of asudden they realize it's like a
mouse, like yeah quote like tenfeet in front of them, because
they, they didn't realize, like,how far away it was.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
I'm hurting those stories, I'm just hurt guys
shooting dogs, geez what?

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
oh Hi, oh yeah, sorry .
I went straight to goldenretriever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Steve told me that they were they were night coyote
hunting away or, oh gosh, theywere night coyote hunting
Whatever.
Week back few days could havebeen seven months, I don't know.
A while ago and he said he wason a coyote in his thermal and
the coyote sat down and he'slike alright, I'm gonna take
this like it's time.

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So he clicked his red light onand it was like from here the
refrigerator, just like sittingthere, he's all shit like really
way closer than he anticipated.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Yeah, yeah, but anyways, I think like it.
Since you have one on your gunand One that you can like
handhold and look around, thenif we each have a red light,
like that Cole and I could behave red lights like mounted on
our guns and that's like thecheap way to be able to hunt

(01:14:04):
coyotes at night.
Um, if you just have like onethermal that you can, yeah you
can see the coyotes with, andthen just be able to click on
the red light.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I would like a flashlight, though I could,
otherwise I'd be swinging my gunaround.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
I know well, that's my yeah like having a hand held.
I think, if it were just megoing by myself right now, I
would have my thermal as ahandhold held.
Even I can, even though I canput it on a gun, I would just
handhold it and then I would putmy light on a gun, because then
I could.
Yeah, then you're not likeswinging your gun around.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Yeah, that's basically what yeah, yeah, I did
like do one on the gun and oneHandholding.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Yeah, I did like Steve's thermal and that he he
could range within it, whichwould seem like it was really
nice because then like you couldtalk, like and Obviously we had
a big group of us sitting there, but like everyone knew what
the range was, because he waswhispering it out kind of as it
went and he could watch thatwhole thing, like come in.
But it was terrifying for me.

(01:15:09):
You guys all could see, I couldnot, I was the only one without
any Night vision, if you know,and I was just sitting there in
the pitch black like yeah.
It's like okay, and he's like 8060 and I was like if this was a
major predator I would be dead.
I have no, I kid like literallycouldn't.

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I was staring, I'm watchingwhere he's looking.
I'm like Trying with all mymight trying to like see
something.
Nothing, I never saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
No, it was cool though.
Yeah, we just suck, but yeah,it was fun.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
It made all of us be like we're doing that we're
doing that way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
It would have been way better If my gun would have
worked correctly now, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Just to like load it back at.
You know, when we first startwalking, we're not sitting down
set up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
We're not complete noobs the next day.
What do we kill?
Two, yeah, yeah, but Was itfive?

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
It was a group of two , a Group of two and a single
well, yeah, so yeah, yeah, one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Then it was a double, called him right into like 60
yards, mm-hmm.
You shot one Cole, shot at thenext one and about made you deaf
.
I still can't hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
It was.
I was so good like all thewhole other time, like when you
and Steve and I went out middayI had my ear pro, like had my
ear pro the like Whole week andbeen so good about it.
And then we go out.
I switched jackets because Ihad just been wearing a brown
jacket and I was like, no, ifwe're going out in the day, I'm
gonna put on my camo jacket, andI switched jackets and forgot

(01:16:43):
to grab my ear protection.
I'm really like lined up alongthis fence and Called these two
coyotes in and it was really fun.
I saw him like 400 yards awayand then they ran in and Cole
was ranging.
The whole time we had switchedback and forth on who had a
rifle and who had a shotgun andit was my turn on the rifle and
so Cole had the shotgun and hewas sitting like second in line

(01:17:05):
on the four of us sitting on thefence.
So he's like ranging, totallyguiding me, which is like you
know well, it's trying tonarrate for everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
So there's four of us is Leah me, steve Jordan and
we're all sitting on a fence rowand the coyotes are coming down
the fence row.
We're on.
So I'm trying to narrate foreverybody turns out Steve can't
hear anything.
Yeah, I'm like anything eitherI was like Leah, you're gonna
have to shoot him.
Mm-hmm and I was like actuallyjust wait, wait till they cross

(01:17:36):
the fence and get out in frontof us.
Yeah and then yeah, once theone saw Our outlines.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Yeah, you smoked.
Yeah, here's a little bit ofthat story.
So I could hear somewhisperings, but I didn't know
what was going on and Very poortiming on my behalf.
I went to pause the the callerto be like what do you guys see?
I pause the caller, the coyotesliterally run underneath the
fence and then, I think, caughtour movement because the caller

(01:18:06):
stopped and they, you know, theyjust weren't super focused on
it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
I had to kind of like swing over a little bit yeah oh
shit, and I turned it back on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
But I was just like which is funny right here, 60
yards to your left, and helooked boom yeah it was just
phase.

Speaker 5 (01:18:21):
It's kind of funny because, like we saw them coming
for like two minutes at least aminute Like like running down
this road, I'm like crosshairson, like can see both of them
he's.
He's like telling me yardages,like the whole way, and I'm like
everyone's gonna be ready.
They crossed over the fence andI was like hey, I even told
Cole.
I was like I'm gonna take theone on the left, thinking the

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one on the right would be farenough out that one of you guys
could Shoot.
It turns out you guys didn'teven really like we didn't know
no there.
I was just like steam knew wecould see something, but he
couldn't hear Cole the wholetime.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Yeah, I was like giving a story.
I'm like just wait, just wait.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
He's like.
All of a sudden I hear Steve goHoly shit.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Obviously, steve doesn't see it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Yeah cuz.
So then like if the one stopped, the one that was on the on the
left Stopped and looked rightat us and I was like, well,
they're not gonna get anyfurther out than that.
And so I shot it real fast andthen all of a sudden, copaloo,
right like next to me, theshotgun goes off.
I thought at first I thought itwas Steve shooting, but I was
like man, that like you have asilencer on your I know I see a

(01:19:30):
silencer every time, thesuppressor on on yours, which is
what Steve was shooting.
And I was like man, I wasreally loud.
And then afterwards Cole waslike, hey, did I ring?
your ears a little bit, and Iwas like what he's like a shot,
wonder my ears are screwed.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Actually, rested it on your shoulder.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
Yeah, no, yeah, it was fun.
But yeah, I Kind of threw somelead at the other one as it ran
off and went to no avail.
But yeah, that was, that was afun one the first set.
You guys had one come in thatSteve shot.
Mm-hmm and then we had one thatkind of hung up you were having
some I promote all too far out,and it was kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
It was super flat with like a little it kind of
rolled away from us and I gotthe caller to turn on and then I
turned the volume down.
When the Coyote the Steve wasgonna shoot was coming in, I
just turned the volume down alittle bit as he was coming and
Then the whole thing, just likeI try, I was trying to get the
thing to work in it I ended upturning it off, couldn't turn

(01:20:32):
back on, so I had to run out andget it.
You called me on the phone,yeah, cuz we were there's like.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
There's like a little knoll and these guys were set
up on this side and we were onlyset up like 50 yards apart.
But we were on this side and wetheir coyote came into them and
then we had one that wasswinging around.
It was gonna come right kind ofto us, but then, like the
caller was to our right and sothen that I thought that it
would come to like you know 200yards and then skirt over
towards you guys, but he hadstopped and was like staring
stead on and I was like Jordanturned it back on.

(01:20:58):
Jordan turned it back on.
Turned it back on and I likewent in, this guy is just like
standing there and I finally waslike turn it, call her, turn it
back on.
And she was like oh shit, I waslike had to run over there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Well, I'm having some technical difficulties with it.
Yeah, hold on.
Yeah, but um yeah, it didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
He didn't want to commit, and so Cole made a
pretty long shot on it, what waslike 330 or something like that
.
But yeah, and then we had onemore coming, so we scared a lot
of them.
Yeah, there's a lot out there,so we're going to go out and
we're going to yeah, we need togo back.
We got all of our little quirksout of the way and then we're

(01:21:36):
going to be dead deal with thatgun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
It happens a lot during shotgun season.
I literally have had thishappen like three or four times
during shotgun season forturkeys with clients.
They get in the blind andthey're trying to be really
quiet and they, you know, slowlytry to quietly put a shell in
Turkey comes in at clicksbecause it didn't just engage
correctly.

(01:21:59):
So All the story rack your Dealor yeah, make sure you know that
you bump that forward.
Assist Like real hard, reallygood.
Yeah, I did the next time.
I like loaded it softly in thedaytime and I hit that.

(01:22:20):
I didn't like smack it, but Ijust like pushed the hell out of
it and then you could hear itjust like engage.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
Good to know.
Yeah, cool, it was fun.
We had a great time.
Yeah yeah, it was just sittingon the table.
Um, we're randomly of note inthat Steve was trying to keep
these pelts and we were shootinga 65 Creed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Wars, we were shooting 130 grain.
Sierra bullets, yeah, sierraGame Kings or whatever the hell.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
They are great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Dear.
They really have been reallygood year rounds.
But as far as coyotes go, ifyou're trying to save your pelts
, Steve's got some, so in to do.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
One of the coyotes was so bad that he was like,
yeah, I don't think we're goingto save this one, but yeah, and
he made a comment that I thoughtwas pretty accurate that he was
like it's hard you want to like, if you're trying to save the
Pelt, to try and get around thatKills him dead and doesn't let

(01:23:24):
him run off, like yeah, it'skind of hard to find both yeah.
It's.
It's like a hard to find, thathappy medium where, like you
don't want them to run away witha little dinky hole in them,
but you don't want to shoot himdead and have a giant hole in
them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Well, I think some of that's just going with a
smaller caliber, still goinggood bullet.
But these smaller calibers two,two, three, 22, two, 50.
Some of the, I think maybe evena two, 43 starting to get big.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
But 300 round.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Just definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
I know Cole was like, hey, you want to take my gun,
Just grab the 300.
And Steve was like that's notgoing to work for my Pelt's yeah
.
I was like oh yeah, I don'twant him dead.
Yeah, yeah Um yeah, we had agreat, a great couple of days
and days We've.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
We've had a great year, season two.
Just in general we shot.
I mean Steve's buck is mid 130s, upper 130s probably.
Good.
Yeah, and he's an eight.
So I mean a big eight.
Is he eight or nine?

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
He just, he just had like a little ring.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Yeah, 10.
He's a 10.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
If you were to score him right now, I think like it
would be an inch on those twopoints.
Yep, it would be a 10.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Yeah, so uh him.
We had the sick guys come out.
One of those guys got a 160buck.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
One, 51.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Then we had been after you at a 151 and 146.
And change.
Yeah, 130 inch, eight point,which is super tall.
Browthines, which is reallycool buck for a kid.
What's been?
Yeah, I don't know.
It's just been a good year andthere's, there's still good to
your author we've been seeing so.
Yeah, the, the hunt winner justbarely missed a nice 10 point

(01:25:17):
Like a mid 140s bucket.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
Yeah, yeah, 70 yards.
Cole snuck him on in, on there.
It was fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
So cool beans.
Well, you didn't really haveany questions on this episode,
but if you go to Jordan dash bydot com, you can submit a
question via like a voicemail,and then what I can do is I can
play it on here so I can be like, oh, we got a question from
this person and then I can playit and it'll play like a
voicemail with your voice andall that stuff.

(01:25:46):
Ask him a question, that we cancover it, so yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Cole, do you want?

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
to tell anybody how to find you, or do you want to
stay?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
hidden.
I don't want anybody to findhim because you're going to take
him away from me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
We want to keep you forever.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
I'm not working for anybody else, I mean, besides
the people I work for now.
I was like no, if anybody, I'mgoing to work for myself.
Cole dot Trishel one.
I think it's my Instagram.
I think, look up Cole Trishelyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
And I'll have him tagged in some stuff too, yeah.
Running water hunting.
Yeah, running water hunting too.
Check her out.
We're starting to book Quickly.
Yeah, I have 67 emails sittingin my inbox the last time I
looked at it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
From yesterday, steve from overnight.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Yeah, steve, steve was kind of talking you up on
Instagram and it really hit thepictures of the deer yeah.
Really hit the interwebs.
Yeah, it's kind of cool, sothat was nice of him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Oh yeah, it's.
It's the third.
I'll probably have this episodeout tomorrow, hopefully on the
fourth, but on the sixth, allbeing Denver with Steve and the
meter gang for a live show.
So I think there's stilltickets available.
I don't know, they're like 40,some bucks, piece, 42 bucks or
something like that.
Yeah, for the live show inDenver.
So if you're around and you'rebored, come check it out.

(01:27:09):
I think there's trivia.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
I thought they're sold out.
I don't think.
The Denver one is the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
VIP tickets are sold out, which I think is like a
meet and greet sign thing.
I don't know, don't know, butanyways, yeah, meanwhile we'll
be here holding down the fort.
Yeah, exactly, thank God.
You make life so much easier.
All right, see you guys on thenext episode.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
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