December 28, 2023 • 48 mins
We're talking about multiple topics today. First we're catching up on our latest activities, which include attending a Nebraska Game and Parks meeting discussing current harvest statistics and low deer populations. Then we tackle a couple listener questions giving our input on application strategy and optic magnification. Rounding out with a bit about Jordan's bow setup including the Dialed archery sight and Pelican hard case she uses for travel.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Merry Christmas, everybody.
As we record this, it'sDecember 26th.
We went through a snowstormtoday.
It didn't snow on Christmas,did it?
Or was there a?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
skiff.
It was a skiff.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, yeah, it was a skiff.
So, yeah, now it snowed more, Idon't know for three inches
probably, yeah, and it's beenjust windy, Maybe four it's been
windy.
Yeah, it is kind of drifting in, like we won't have too much of
an issue.
But that is an issue.
Here is like we don't get thatmuch snow in here, but it drifts
so much that it'll just likelock you in.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It tends to drift over the roads Because that's
where the like flat land has adip.
These are where the roads are,yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So since it is Christmas, like our outfitting
season is wrapped, I feel likewe did pretty good.
Overall numbers in Nebraska aredown.
We actually you and I went to agame in parks meeting like a
week ago.
And got a little info, likesome data, which was kind of
cool to see, but it's prettymuch that way throughout the
(01:16):
whole state.
It seemed like like justnumbers in general are down.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean they mainly were talking about how it
was like quite a few years ofdrought and then so, like you
know, reproduction wasn't doinggreat because of the drought and
then last year with just such abig winter, it was kind of the
nail in the coffin as far aslike bad things happening to
deer and then each day and stufflike that.
It's like a bunch of factors.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We had a couple of bad HD outbreaks in 2020.
We, you found a buck.
Actually Was it 2020?
.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I can remember if it's 2020 or 2020.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, that was fall of 2020.
You found a good, like one ofthe, like a really good buck.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Actually, you found like a unicorn buck is super
cool has a.
It was a brow time.
It's almost like another mainbeam that it started swinging
around, but probably 11 inches,or just like real thick main
beam that just kind of likeunicorns out in the front Always
sucks to find a deer that hasdied from disease or you know
anything like that, especiallylike we have game camera picks
(02:17):
and stuff from this year.
But like kind of cool that heactually gets to stay on the
place Like he's in the hunterhouse now and yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So we like we get to look at deer all the time but
they don't.
If we get to shoot them, it'swith a client and they get to
take them home, we don't get tokeep them.
Yeah, which is kind of you know.
Have you seen those little?
What do they call those?
They're like mini mule deermounts.
You can get them of anythingbut you can like they'll make
you like a miniature replica,like a tiny miniature replica
(02:50):
you could get them of likeshoulder mounts, so it looks
like they're shoulder mount onthe wall, but they're just tiny.
I'm pretty sure you can getfull body ones.
I thought about getting one ofthe sheep.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Yeah, or like other big deerChristmas ornament or something.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Or just something like if we had some like really
cool memorable deer on the placeit'd be cool to like get those
little mini replicas and wecould just have them, you know,
somewhere in the lodge, just tokind of like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It'd be cool to just look at them, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Those are the little mini versions of the cool deer
that we've shot out here before.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, yeah, they're kind of they're super cool, um.
So yeah, overall what we'retalking about just, oh, just the
numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
So just from looking, I mean ittook half our deer out at least
.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So you think you guys were like bouncing back from
that and then the drop in thenext EHD like a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I feel like we were starting to get back from it,
and then it seems like we hadmore deer last year too, but I
mean that's after the winner, soyeah, like this last winner in
this part of the country,anyways, was really bad.
It was just like basically fromDecember they were talking
about to December 13th orsomething like that 14th is when
(04:18):
it started and it never reallyled up until you and I came,
which was the first week ofMarch.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It was bad and it like like we bought a snowmobile
bad.
Yeah, yeah, we literally, causeI thought we were going to have
to snowmobile in.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You don't really need a snowmobile.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Not that often, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Until until you do.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, so what?
It would basically snow and itwould melt off a little bit,
blow really bad and then so itjust made a really, really bad
crust and I'm sure there's a lotof deer that couldn't break
through.
I mean, just couldn't handlebreaking through it.
A lot of makes you wonder.
There's a freaking ton ofcoyotes this year, like they
(04:58):
probably went through there.
You know they probably ate good.
Yeah, this winter they, I'msure they just skip drag across
the top.
Yeah, they can run across thetop.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So yeah, hard to say but definitely seems like the
numbers are down and fishing,game and parks kind of said that
it's been a steady decline.
But this year was pretty badbut we we did pretty good.
I think that our numbers arereally good on on our harvest
rate.
We did really well on our Iguess, inch inch ratio per deer.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If you want to call that yeah.
And this is something that'sinteresting too is people
oftentimes they'll talk aboutlike I feel like we don't have
as many deer as we used to, butI feel like our quality is
better.
So I mean, that could be justlike more for the bucks to eat
this year, because there's notas many of them, so they're not
competing, but then maybethey're just not spreading out
(05:55):
as much.
So I don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
There's a ton of biology that goes into that and
and like getting a truebiologist on to talk about that
would be really fun because theycan deep dive into that stuff.
But there's definitely sciencebehind not having as many
animals on the landscape so theones that are on there can
thrive.
Yeah, I think that this yearwas a really big spring too, so
then we have a ton of foliage,that everything was able to eat
(06:19):
on.
And so I think that they theyhad an opportunity.
Like the ones that did survivewere probably the age class of
like prime deer that, like theold ones, probably didn't
survive Maybe the super, superyoung ones and survive funds and
stuff like that.
But the ones that did were ofthe age class that they were
(06:39):
already, you know, four, five,six year olds and then came in
and ate a bunch in the springthat had a big spring and they
were able to just grow, I meanit was, it was great we had a
lot of fun this year.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I guess we'll just talk about it now.
Um yeah, so that that meetingthat we went to is, I don't know
, hit the high notes.
They have 33 mountain lionscaptured, or?
not Sorry, not captured,collared, and they're doing all
kinds.
I mean they're.
They seem to be pretty lax on.
First of all.
(07:10):
Going into this I didn't reallyknow what to expect.
I thought it would be reallyfrustrating for some reason.
But it seems like thebiologists that are, and just
the people that are kind ofthey're recommending these
things which I believe arebiologists they're recommending
like season changes andadjustments and all this stuff
they're recommending that to, tothe Commission.
(07:32):
I don't know any of thecommissioners so I don't know
where it goes after that, butLike how that process goes.
But it seems like the bio, theguys that were recommending
stuff, that were at least givingthe presentations.
They seemed really on top of itand it was a breath of fresh
air.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, like you could tell that they Were all hunters
themselves.
They had the same like concernsthat people that were in the
room did and they were like weare working on it.
You know, like numbers are down, we're cutting doe hunts
numbers are down.
We, like they in Nebraska, usedto have two buck tags that each
resident could have.
Now you can only do one.
So, like the last couple ofyears, they've really cut back
(08:13):
on tags and you know, trying todo their best to like mitigate,
I guess what nature is given you, because you can only do so
much.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, and then they like have to pay attention to a
lot of different I mean therewas a lot of different kind of
people in that room.
Like I looked at the sign-insheet and Like about half of
them were landowners, about halfof them weren't Most of the
people in the room like theyjust have a lot of people they
got to pay attention to and tryto figure out how to make
(08:44):
adjustments off of, and like Ifeel like a lot of the hunter
feedback that they're gettingisn't so much Because of low,
like it is, some of it isbecause of low numbers.
There was a guy there who hadPeople from who knows where I
was out of state, come shootjust like a bunch of two-point
(09:04):
little mule deer and he's likehow do we just fix this thing?
How do we?
How do we keep people fromshooting fork at horns?
Yeah, and so he was like whydon't we do like an antler
restriction or something?
And the biologist was like youlook, the antler restrictions,
like they just aren't reallyproven to just leads to other.
Otherwise issues.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, like leads to other issues which I don't
really understand that Robbiehas some good.
Robbie has a really goodpodcast through the Rockcast.
He has a good episode on that.
That they talked just aboutantler point restrictions and a
lot of it seemed to be it justmade people feel better so they
had to, but that's well, that'swhat this biologist said too.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Was that Wyoming has a two-point restriction on a lot
of their units, or maybe it'sstatewide, I'm not sure, but
yeah that they did that justbecause the hunters wanted them
to do it that there's actual nodata that supports it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's actually I think there's actually data that kind
of supports it the otherdirection, like it, just leads
to different problems.
Yeah like pushes the problemsomewhere else.
But yeah, that was like.
Anyways it was.
It was an interesting sit.
We got to go through some stuffwhere we are at in the planes.
We're kind of split between theplanes and Pine Ridge, but just
(10:19):
on the planes in general.
This year, so 2023, rifleharvest so far Is down 13% from
last year, which the season istechnically still a week from
over.
It was two weeks from over whenwe were at that meeting, so
that could have changed.
But yeah, 13% from last year Imean that's Kind of significant
(10:41):
and it's down like about 43% Ithink is what I think he said
43% Over the five-year average.
So you're like knocking on 50%,you're probably over 50% in
some areas, under in some otherareas.
I mean that's kind of a lotlike.
You know that's you're used toseeing Whatever.
You're used to seeing 20 deerday, whatever you're used to
(11:03):
seeing 20 deer day or 50 deerday, depending on where you're
at and how far you can see andyou're you're cutting that in
half All of a sudden people arelike, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Especially in this state it's got.
It's kind of hard because I'mfrom Idaho.
We have ton of public land.
It's it's great, right, Notsaying Nebraska isn't great, but
it's yeah, I don't say that 97%private.
It's a high 90s, yeah, and sothey.
You know there were talkingabout overpopulation in the
(11:36):
Areas that are public andthere's only X amount of deer in
those areas and so, especiallywhen the population is going
down, you're gonna notice it inthe, I bet, the general
population of yeah hunters thataren't able to get on private
land but, like I Want to say tothe people that are overcrowding
(11:56):
the public, or not residenthunters, no, they're non, non
resident hunters residenthunters are gonna all have a
rancher buddy or somebody thatthey you know from India.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They've got like some of them are going on, you know
some of them are going on publicbut like I Feel like a lot of
residents are taking advantageon those places in different
seasons.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Mm-hmm so they're not just like it's not, they're not
at the war hammering during thenine days In the nineties a
rifle, because I know I meanWhatever this way it is.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But game and fish has to figure out that.
And then People don't like tocut the private landowners any
slack, nor do they theoutfitters any slack.
But now you've got, you havethem.
They have this split now towhere 15% of the tags go to non
(12:50):
residents, 85 go to residents,which for a resident of Nebraska
is great like it cuts down justkind of on everything like and.
But then you have likeoutfitters that are like only
15% go to non resident.
The truth of the matter is I'venever had a resident, besides an
(13:11):
elk hunter, come like to huntever.
So they're all non residents soit's like all right, well, then
they start selling out of tags.
Then what do you do?
And it's not really just likean outfitter thing there there's
a guy at the meeting who haslike there's some, you know,
people like clients of histhrough his business.
(13:33):
He owns land, he has a itsounds like he has.
He has like he sells bowls inthe spring, so or I guess it'd
be, yeah, I'd be coming up herein the winter.
So he has like bull sales.
He has non residents that buysbulls and da, da, da and like
cool, you can come hunt, andthen his friends aren't able to
get tags, so then you have thatgoing on.
(13:55):
But people want to cap the nonresidents because they're just
like over.
For the most part they're justoverflowing.
You know, they're just floodingthe public.
There's just not that muchpublic to overflow here.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it's hard because there is not a ton of
public land.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah.
So you have all this stuffgoing on that they're trying to
manage and I just I don't.
After going to that meeting, Iwas like thank God, I don't do
this.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, I thought the same thing.
I was like man.
I'm glad I'm not a biologist,because I mean they had.
They were talking about howthere's like actual Biological,
like numbers, and then there'ssocial, like social socially
acceptable numbers numbers right.
And what's like biologicallyokay for an ecosystem and what
(14:39):
is socially okay Is like twodifferent things and they're
trying to manage that, you knowright.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, it was.
It was very interesting.
I'm glad we went.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't wish that job upon anybody, because I'm sure
they like there isn't, it'sthere in a no win situation.
They're either like landownersor either mad at them.
Or hunters are mad at them ornon residents are mad at them.
It's kind of like being abreath in sports You're always
gonna be on the losing side ofsomeone.
Yeah, I'm glad that there arepeople that are doing it and I'm
glad it seems like these guysare actually really passionate
(15:09):
about it and they're trying todo a good job.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.
Um, if there's any LikeNebraska residents that are
interested in it or I guess,even non resident people,
they're having a zoom meetinglike January 17, some.
No.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Seventh or something.
Okay, it was a single.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It was a single digit , so it must be the seventh.
If you just go to Nebraska andfish Game parks sorry, you
scroll to the bottom hit thenews I think it's in the news
somewhere and it'll show you howto get into the zoom meeting.
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I think last time we talked wewere getting ready to go it.
Yeah, we were getting ready togo to the meteor life, so we
went to that.
We went down to Denver and didthat.
That whole thing is completelywrapped up.
They did their last show.
If they do it again, I wouldrecommend people go.
(16:31):
Like it was pretty fun.
I thought it was super fun.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I was just in the in the stands hanging out and from
a viewer's perspective, Ithought it was great.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I was too scared to look out into the
audience, but I did.
I took a scan right before Iwalked out and the first person
I saw was Logan works at firstlight.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
He's the duckmeister yeah, first light.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I was wearing my duck sweatshirt and I was like dude.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
The girl.
I can't remember her name, butshe was the artist actually drew
it was with Logan.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Mm-hmm, and she was also stoked that you had it on
before the show.
Actually, yanni also had thesweater on and you guys almost
had rock paper scissors on.
Who got to wear the sweater?
And he was like, oh, that's allright, I got other stuff to
wear.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But yeah, I know, it was super fun, a little
interaction with the crowds andstuff.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Oh yeah, we did.
We did the little VIP meet andgreet thing before, yeah, which
was kind of fun.
So, we got to talk to a lot ofpeople.
It's kind of funny.
There was like some people thatwere asking what we were doing,
like oh, how's this how theseason go this year?
I was so wrapped up in guiding.
I was like, oh yeah, we've hada pretty good year.
(17:42):
Actually there's you know,start talking about guiding
there like no, like your year.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And I was like I forgot we hunted at all I
haven't talked about my year ina long time.
I don't really know what I hopeWe've been guiding for the last
like month and a half strong.
That we kind of forgot that we,that we hunted as well.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so it was fun though Jordan got to do a lot of
handshakes, couple what Ithought was really cool was a
couple of young girls come overand we're like starstruck a
little bit and we're just likeoh man, I'm so glad I get to
meet you yeah what are the oneone girl asked you something
Like super cute.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
She was just like oh, she asked if she could come and
hunt at the ranch or somethingright?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And I give him a business card.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's whatit was, but yeah she was.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
She was super cute.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's just fun to like actually see people like come
and chat with everyone and likeoh yeah, I did about it yeah
it's all like all good people to, oh for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was kind of it was it wasn'tkind of fun, like it was super
fun.
I'm not good in socialsituations and I surprised
myself a little bit on just likeLoosen it up a little bit and
(18:50):
just being able to talk topeople and mm-hmm, yeah, it was
fun.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think you knew what to what was coming, slash what
to expect type of a thing, andso you could like prepare for it
, compared to like when we'rejust random.
Yeah like run into somebody,like we ran into someone at an
ice cream parlor one time, andJordan did not know what to do
with herself and was just likecool.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I thought it was a great time yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, we did.
Uh, we got a comment there thatit wasn't a negative comment.
I just want to talk about itjust because it's not true.
There was.
We were talking about going toArizona and, just like you know,
hunting ourselves in general,and there's a guy that is like
it's gotta be awesome.
Like now You're under the meatyour name, like you can just go
(19:37):
on any private that you want.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, I get tons of access like it's gotta be
awesome and we were like waitwhat?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
yeah, I was like, oh no, I mean we've got the outfit
Nebraska, that's private, cuzthat's my family's place and I
lease Like around it someneighbors that I grew up with,
you know, but as far as likeWestern states, I it's, it's all
been public.
Yeah, there was one time thatLeah Basically like pulled my
(20:08):
ear and got me to drive intothese people's driveways.
So she can go ask if she couldhunt, and I just wanted to crawl
into a whole she was very upsetwith me, yeah it was like I'm
going to, I'm gonna sit in thisvehicle and I'm not.
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There was there was a big buck on this property and I
grew up in Idaho, where I guessit doesn't matter where you
grew up, but I grew up nothaving a place to go all the
time, and or I would see ducksland on a field and I would just
walk up to the house and ask ifI could go go hunting somewhere
, and that's how I gotpermission.
(20:44):
All the time helps when you'reyou know, I was like in college,
like young girl shows up Askedto go hunt on your place.
A lot of times it works,probably better than maybe you
know 40 year old man shows up orsomething.
I use that shit to my advantageand I am proud to say that I
got a Lot on places I shoot.
I did it like a couple yearsago for turkeys, mm-hmm.
(21:06):
So I'm used to asking forpermission.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Jordan was like absolutely not, it's like 20
minutes.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
For me that's not just a permission thing of where
I got to grow up hunting.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, it's just like you just don't like doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I'm just like there's all this public figured
out.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And then, where did we shoot the deer the next day
on on?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
public on the public, but it was right next to where
the private was and if we gotpermission on the private we
wanted, we literally had like,talked about, like okay, on the
top of this ridge is public, onthe bottom of it Is not.
If there's any chance that thatdeer is pointed downhill when
you go to shoot, type of thing,probably shouldn't do it because
it's gonna run down to theprivate land.
So it was a little more of alike okay, we're watching lines,
(21:48):
we're doing all this stuff,compared to just like if we had,
if they weren't home theydidn't say no, they weren't home
, but if they had given mepermission, then we wouldn't
have had to worry about whichway the deer is facing when you
shoot it or anything like thattype Of a thing.
So I'm a little more brazenlike that, but Jordan's not, and
that is that is fine.
(22:08):
But anyways, these guys werelike really surprised to hear
that we were like oh no, we'realways on public, like Idaho's
public, utah's public, likeeverywhere We've hunted is
always public and they're likeno way.
We didn't realize that wefigured like once you're on.
Me you're you're just like,you're just always on private.
No it's not the case, and Idon't think that's the case for
a A bunch of the other peoplethat are on the staff either.
No, I think predominantlythey're all hunting public land.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think especially like all the Montana
hunts and like all that kind ofstuff.
Like there's exceptions, youknow, to every rule.
All right, we're gonna do acouple Q&A or a couple questions
.
These are all from Instagram,but you can.
You can leave like a voicemailto ask me a question, which I
would love, because I've got oneperson do it so far and that's
(22:54):
embarrassing.
So let's try to pump that up anotch.
If you go to Jordan dash bycalm, you'll find your way.
Okay, first one is from in dotnor quest on Instagram.
Best way to apply forout-of-state tags.
There's a few different ways ofdoing this.
There are some Systems outthere or like not software, but
(23:17):
there were some websites thatcan really help you with it,
like Eastmans has one now.
This is their tag hub.
I Haven't been around that onea lot.
I looked at it when it firstcame out and I think that
they've.
They have like a 2.0 versionnow.
But then there's like go hunt.
Everybody's heard a go hunt, alittle more expensive option to
(23:37):
get you in.
I think it's a hundred bucks ora hundred fifty dollars, maybe
something like that.
But it just basically lines outlike you can.
You can go to a state and say,hey, I want to hunt a freaking
wherever Wyoming and I have thismany points and where can I
draw that's, it filters theunits down for you.
So just kind of eliminate somesteps for you then, like epic
(23:59):
outdoors is another one.
So epic outdoors, great it'll.
You can Like it'll, it'lltailor you all the things that
go hunt tells you.
But if you have that epicmembership you can actually call
and talk to people that knowwhat they're doing.
It's kind of like a hunt andfool ish type thing.
And there's other things theretoo, like hunt and fool, like
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there's a lot of them out there.
So you can go that route tohelp you like narrow down units
and all that stuff at least seeit started like if you're a noob
, completely like Pain.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
To talk to those guys would probably be like the best
thing you could do, becausethey're gonna give you so much
knowledge the cheapest option.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's a little bit of a elbow slash, eyeball grease
and just like pick a state andGet on their website and just
like dig into it because alltheir like draw.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Odds are harvest.
They all have.
Everything should be on there.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
It might be harder to read than some of these other
ones, but it's gonna be a lotcheaper.
And in some instances, likeSometimes, I've relied on some
of those websites too much toget all my information and I
think I know it, and then I geton the website like before we go
or something I'll be like oh mygod, I didn't know that or
something.
(25:19):
So sometimes it's good to diginto that website a lot.
So there are some differentresources for the cheapest one.
I say like pick the state youwant to go to and then I Mean
you know that could be, go dosome different states, like that
could be even like it's closestto your hometown or your home
(25:40):
is to get to or yes simplest toget to.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Me personally, I would pick the one that you're
most likely gonna be able todraw more often, because you
could choose the next state.
That's right, like, say.
Say you're like right in themiddle of your state and you
could split either direction.
Yeah, the one might be knownfor bigger deer or something
like that.
But the other one you're gonnalike, that one You're only gonna
draw one every ten years andthe other one you're gonna draw
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every three years.
Right, go with the one, you geta hummer.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, this is where strategy comes in, mm-hmm.
So a strategy with that wouldbe like the one that's bigger
deer, like you're gonna draw wayless often, like you just apply
for points there.
Yeah, like every year you justget on and you eat the 50 bucks
or whatever and you apply foryour points and then you get in
the other spot that state exists.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I mean, that's Essentially what we're doing
like we can hunt Idaho.
We're a residence, so we'relucky.
We can hunt Idaho every year onOTC tag.
And Then we can take some ofthe other states, like Colorado,
wyoming, and we can like buildpoints in those states and we
can be like a little more choosy.
I say that but like we're atthat choosy, I'm just buying
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points until I can get up toenough to actually make it
worthwhile because unfortunatelythere's a little bit of a
Entrance fee.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
If you will, like most these states, you're gonna
have to have three plus points,if not more.
Unfortunately and so it'sbetter get on it now and just
start buying points, becauseit's not gonna make a difference
Until you get down the roadalways.
Yeah that is Unfortunatebecause the point creep and all
that kind of jazz.
And so if you're limited on yoursupply of money or when you
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think you can go or whatever,just like pick your one state
like maybe Do your research,figure out which one you're
gonna be able to draw more oftenand I think, anytime you can go
honey more often, you're gonnalearn that area better, you're
gonna, you know, be able to getout more and you're gonna enjoy
yourself more than waiting forthat one state that's gonna take
you ten years to draw right andthen you get there and you're
like oh and it, and it isn't asgood as you have like hyped it
(27:49):
up to be a lot.
Yeah, a lot of times, yeah, Ifeel like yeah, you think like I
don't know, everyone can.
You can see a Article inEastman's about a big buck and
think I got to go there, liketype of thing.
If you've I don't know youfigured out where it was or
something like that or it's justwhatever state it was, and Then
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you go there and you don't havethat same experience, but the
guy that shot that big buck onthere you might have had 40 days
of scouting or might havehunted that.
Oh yeah life or you don't know,you know type of a thing, and
like an out-of-state person justshowing up With no scouting,
with nothing, is probably notgonna be as successful, like 90%
of the time, and so it's justbetter to like, go somewhere
(28:33):
that you're gonna be able todraw more often, yeah, and be
able to get boots on the groundmore often, and the closer you
can get to home the better,because then you're probably
gonna scout it.
Oh, yeah, if you're for sure ifyou're putting in for points
five states away, you're notgonna scout it Mm-hmm Like, so
your odds of getting me to my isgonna be less yeah yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean, it's beginning to be like let's just
pay to play.
It's unfortunate, like yes,it's unfortunate.
I hate to go down this rubble,but we don't really differ on
this.
We differ a little bit maybe,but like this whole pay-to-play
(29:15):
thing, so like Wyoming, forinstance, they I read a thing
the other day they they increasetheir tags in the resident.
So there's a in Wyoming,there's a regular draw and then
there's a Special special drawand Basically what that is is
like Wyoming says, if you wantto pay more money, you can get
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in your own pool to draw and andthe draws should be better,
they should be better.
That's not always true, but theyshould be better because it's a
smaller amount of people thatjust want to pay more money to
Whatever your draw.
It should be better.
Not always the case, but thattag is now going to 1900 and
(30:01):
something dollars, whereas, like, the regular draw is 700.
I think Mm-hmm, which is rightin there for elk, I think, not
the 1900.
Yeah, that's pretty expensive,but like Some people were like
oh, this is like a rich man'sgame, pay-to-play, but like
(30:21):
that's for non-resonance, that'sgoing out of state, like if you
really want to hunt there andyou like.
You know it means that much toyou than like move there.
Yeah, be resident by a $30 tagand have all this.
We have friends that have donethat Place to go to.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
We have multiple friends that have moved to a
state because hunting is betterthere.
The whole reason they'reraising the rates is to try and,
unfortunately, lower the amountof people that are trying to go
into the states.
To non-resident hunt because,non-resident hunting has blown
up recently.
It's, you know, there's just alot of pressure and a lot of
(30:59):
people trying to get theselimited numbers of tags.
So how do they combat that?
They keep raising the rates.
You would be better off if youlived in, you know, any state
that has what you want to hunt.
It sucks if you're, if you livein Iowa and you want to hunt
giant mule deer you're out ofluck.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's not going to work.
Yeah, you got to come, but ifyou say say like us we live in
Idaho.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
If we spent what it's $800 for an out of state tag in
Wyoming.
If we spent $800 on gas, foodand equipment to be able to go
scouting more often and boots onthe ground in Idaho, we would
harvest more and have more funin the same state that we're in,
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instead of spending $800 for astate away that we don't get to
do all that stuff in.
And so it's like pros and cons,right?
Like you might have this idealimage of like oh, I'm going to
go to Wyoming, I'm going toshoot this bull and it's going
to be great, and you get overthere and you don't know
anything about it.
And then you're on the strugglebus the whole time and you
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could spend that same amount ofmoney on being able to know your
own state even better.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So there's that which works for Western but for
Eastern.
Like you said, if you live inIowa and you want to shoot a big
mule deer, you got to come thisway, at least a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But then we're in Idaho and we're like, dang, I
kind of want to shoot a bigwhitetail and it's like you got
to go East.
So it's like pros and cons.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Or we got to go to Nebraska.
Yeah, that's East, that's East,that's true.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
We were hunting public whitetails in Montana,
yeah, and for us it's more ofjust like the fun we have fun
hunting and so, yeah, we weregoing to like hunt in Idaho and
then we're going to like gosomewhere else.
And, like we, love to exploreand try new places.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And I don't really have any other like.
This is really what I do.
I don't have any other hobbies.
You don't like unfortunately, Ihad to get another hobby called
snowboarding, yeah, and I hadto buy an expensive ass
snowboard.
You didn't have to.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I gave you my old snowboard.
Yeah, but it sucked.
It did not suck.
It was great snowboard.
It was not like I bought it.
It was a Burton.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's not like I bought it as a thrissure.
Yeah, no, no, no, I know, Iknow, I know, but it didn't
quite fit me.
Yeah, it was too long, and shelikes things, new things.
Yeah, I got a SkyLog aboard.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So yeah, geez.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I mean you have two hobbies.
I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, but my main one is hunting Is the old deer
Living, breathing, hunting.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean, it's true.
What do we do on our spare time?
We go glassing there, we gothere we go.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Now let's get into the rest of the thing.
All right, here's the old deer.
It's much smaller than that.
Alright, yeah, so that's fine,just what we do sometimes.
Yeah, okay, next one by fromentertain underscore Matt, we're
going on the optics train alittle bit here.
Is there really such a thing asso much magnification that your
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binos aren't useful?
There's two differentcategories for this.
I'm going to tell the one.
The tolerances aren't quite astight.
Maybe they didn't put as muchdevelopment into the coatings
and stuff like that.
It's still probably a prettygood pair of binoculars, but if
you're going to be looking inthem all day, they're just not
(34:32):
going to be, as Usually theirtop line is like these are the
tightest tolerances we can get.
We put as much development andtime into figuring out the
coatings of how we want thosethings situated.
We put a lot of thought intothe ergos, the ergonomics of the
thing.
This is as good as we can make,and here it is Oftentimes just
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the lower tier ones that justend up being cheaper because
they did things like made someof the things plastic and
whatever, as you go, just kindof as a general rule of thumb as
you go up in power on thosethings, the glass quality tends
to go down or you're just notgoing to be as impressed.
(35:20):
The clarity is going to go down,kind of everything is going to
go down.
If you need to really go on thecheap side and buy a really
cheaper, like a lower line setof binoculars or whatever,
because they're cheaper, go witha pair of 8s or, at the very
top, go with 10s.
If you go on the lower powers,just the less you're going to be
(35:41):
able to see those differences.
Is that an awful explanation?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
No, that was great.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I know, jeez, yeah.
So we kind of talked about thisin the journey.
I told him the question beforewe started.
But there's two ways of thought.
It's exactly what you just said, which was the higher power you
get.
If you don't have great glass,you're not going to be able to
see as clearly.
The other thing isstabilization.
(36:13):
The higher you get, the morethat hand holding is going to
become impossible.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's kind of just like in general.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes, it doesn't matter if you have great glass
or bad, not as good qualityglass or whatever.
The higher you get you're goingto be able to start seeing your
heartbeat when you're trying tolook at picking a part stage
brush and stuff like that.
You physically cannot hand holda pair of 15s and be able to
(36:42):
see as well as even if you dropthat down to a 12 or a 10,
because you're going to have somuch motion and then your eyes
are going to start to get tiredbecause they're trying to make
up for that motion and stabilizeyourself.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You're just not going to be able to pick up as much
either.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's just going to be shaky.
That's when, if you go higher,you could have the nicest glass
in the world.
If you're hand holding those,you're hamstringing yourself.
You need to put those on atripod and get a nice, stable
base and then you'll be set.
If you don't do that, you couldspend all the money in the
world on a really nice pair ofbinoculars and you're not going
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to be able to see as much assomeone with a lesser power,
cheaper pair of binoculars on atripod.
That would be my thing is yougot to add stabilization into it
.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, kind of wrapping it up, we're headed to
Arizona.
My tag opens January 1st.
I'm pretty sure there are a lotof.
I didn't know this.
We made the internet mad.
Oh yeah, I haven't got to theinternet.
We did make the internet allhalf of it anyways.
Really, what would this be?
A third, that's like a quarter.
(37:55):
Anyways, over the counterarchery tags you can get for
Arizona yes, they are over thecounter but they're quoted.
The units are quoted for it.
You got to get on and you gotto look at all these quotas.
I've been getting on and beinglike, all right, well, that unit
(38:16):
that I wanted to go to is out.
Got to go to a new unit.
Anyways, we're getting ready todo that, which will be fun.
We're just going to go for aweek or something like that with
Cole.
We talked about it when Colewas on the last thing and I put
a little snippet on Instagramabout I said I said, kuz, you're
(38:37):
suck.
I was like just kidding, justkidding.
We were laughing about it andtalking about yeah, for us, if
there was a Kuz deer standingright next to a mule deer, we
would shoot the mule deer justbecause we like it more.
We were poking some fun at itand, oh my God, it pissed some
Kuz deer people off.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
There's some solid Kuz deer followers, religious
followers of the Kuz of the cows.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, and some guys were, just like you, never
hunted Kuz deer before.
I was like I have.
Actually I have filmed them andthey are.
They're fun.
Yeah, they're really hard tohunt, I get it.
I was on two of them and justsaying like they shot like
(39:21):
really big Kuz here for Kuz deer.
Yeah, but they're like reallybig.
So like I've been on the hunt,so like I know and it was fun,
but I would just rather you'lldo honey.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
So okay, so we did that and we put up a little
thing.
What was?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
our poll.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, what was our final stats on that?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Kuz deer versus Meal dear 920 people voted for meal
dear and 193 people voted forcoups dear.
We had a guy take our reel andhe made it into his own.
He like talked at the beginningof it and then showed our reel
and he's like so for all youArizona guys.
(40:03):
I'm quite sure that all of hispeople went coups deer over,
meal deer probably.
But like somebody said, he'slike it's cool with me if you
like meal deer, more coups deerfor me.
Mm-hmm, I said, yep, more muledeer for me.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So it's all good guys .
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Don't freaking, like literally that Blow their tops.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
It was so funny, I loved it.
It was just like people werebickering and it was hilarious
it was funny we also got asensitivity Screening on
Instagram for that one too, andwe were sitting here at our
kitchen table talking about thisbecause I said shots fired and
then I did the squirt gun.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
the lime green squirt gun, yeah, the lime green
squirt gun, but I took that offand it's we were still flagged.
So I don't know.
Hmm, that's because the coupsdeer people were mad.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Be, nice, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So with that, huh, it's an archery hunt.
Yeah, you have a tag, Cole hasa tag, cole's dad has a tag.
Yeah, you got your bow all setup.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, so I've, I've got a sighted in.
It wasn't sighted in last time,we all talked, but it's sighted
in and yeah, I'll go throughthat a little bit, little bit
here, let me, let me grab it.
Okay, so this is a Matthewsphase four, as we talked about
(41:27):
before.
I kind of got my bow swipedwhen we were in Colorado and
that was a v3x and I loved it.
I was gonna buy the exact sameone, but the dealer, I went
through how to phase four forliterally the exact same.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I thought you'd gotten the exact same one.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No, this is a new one .
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I didn't know that.
I see that.
Now phase four oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So I did black limbs with I think this is called
buckskin, I don't know and Iwent with yellow strings.
So we got everything all set uphere.
The dialed site I talked aboutit a little bit, I got it all
shot in and got my tape allfigured out.
It was pretty easy.
(42:09):
It's a little different, likeI'm used to.
I was using the black goldbefore, which I really liked,
like the SNS archery black gold.
I think it's a backcountry SNS,I don't know, but it I really
liked it.
But dialed had sent Yanni and Ione of these and each one of
these when we were doing thepodcast and already had it, and
they're really good sites.
(42:29):
There are a lot of money Ithink they're 515 but they do a
lot of stuff.
There's like a little coverhere for your pins so you can
Pull the cover over and likecover your pins or you can push
the cover back and it'll.
It really does it to lights.
(42:49):
Oh yeah, look at this, it'sgonna be hard to see.
So that's off and that's wow,just letting light in.
Yeah, really does your pins up?
So yeah, and the way it endedup being, I have three pins.
My top pin correlates to myslider at 20 yards.
My second pin ended up being at35 yards.
(43:13):
My fourth pin ended up being atlike 46 yards.
So I've got those other pins,like set up different.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Um, and then you can dial accordingly.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, and then you dial and my, my top pin is what
I use for my dial and I mean I'm, the other two pins should core
them.
They should kind of correspondas you go down.
They're gonna start gettinginaccurate as you go out further
in In distance.
But anyways, yeah, I mean sofar it's okay.
(43:44):
There's like a little bit oflike a.
You hear that little.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, it's like tight .
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I don't know what the hell.
I Don't know why.
I don't know why it does that,but anyways it seems, needs a
little box to be okay.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, you knew.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I went back to a tight spot.
This is like a new version ofthe tight spot quiver and I
don't know.
It just seems super adjustableand they just made some upgrades
from their previous one that Itried, so decided to Try it
again.
It fits super, super tight toyour bow.
(44:23):
I.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Like that.
It's got the hanger on the topof it.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, so you can like pop it off hanging a tree Yep,
I think is what they wanted todo with that.
And then they, they did thesame kind of dovetail deal with
the quiver, with the.
Yeah, so my stabilizer, um yeah, like slides in and out.
(45:04):
It's okay.
I kind of wish I wouldn't havegot it, it was and I.
Have this one, which I don'tremember who makes it, but it
slides in and out so it kind oflike a tripod leg.
It's a stabilizer like goes onyour bow and then you can use
(45:26):
like the quick detach and andthen you can extend it out if
you want.
You can put it wherever youwant and you close.
The little deal Just seems moreadjustable.
I can take these weights off ifI want.
I could take, you know, I canjust like really fine-tune it.
You're in a blind, you can haveit compact.
You're out in the wind in theopen country, you can have it
(45:50):
out a little bit more to helpyou stabilize.
So I Don't know if I'm gonnaend up taking that thing, taking
this one off.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
They really should put their brand name on my so we
could actually rememberliterally don't, I don't
remember somebody'll come in.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
No, yeah, but yeah, it's okay.
The this, it's the bridge lockstabilizer Just doesn't seem
like enough weight for me.
Pretty lightweight, yeah, evenwhen you get out of distance or
like when you get it slid allthe way out here, mm-hmm, still
seems like it's like not quiteenough for what I was wanting.
But I don't know, they allscrew that thing on maybe
(46:30):
tomorrow and mess with it alittle bit.
So the case it's a pelican,it's a pelican air.
It's like literally there theycall it their bow case, like
it's our bow hunter case.
It's pretty expensive.
I bought this thing before yanniand I went on our archery hunt
(46:50):
for caribou in Alaska a coupleyears ago.
But it has like a foam spot forarrows up there you could pop
your arrows into.
Then it has like this internalSoft case, so it's just kind of
a soft cover.
You can like put your bow inthere and strap it in if you
want, and then this Goes overthe top of it, so it kind of
(47:10):
keeps the top of your bow likeoh, what do you, what do you?
Whatever you want to call itprotected, yep.
And has a little case or alittle zippered pocket that you
can put some stuff in yourzippered pocket, has, like,
these little bags on the sidesthat you can remove or not, and
(47:32):
so you can keep some regularstuff.
What I typically do it's like Iput my bow in there, put the
Soft cover like over the top ofit, and then I'll pack other
stuff in around it.
Okay, 1745 bow case from pelican.
It's their pelican air series,I don't know, seems to work.
(47:53):
That's pretty much all I have.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
We're an hour and 11 you guys are probably really
sick of listening to us talk, soI am sick of listening to us
talk.
We have anything else we weregonna talk about no.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
That's pretty much it .
We'll just uh, yeah, hopeeverybody had a good Christmas
and probably the next episodewill be with coal Down in
Arizona, talking about the huntthat's going on down there and a
little more about outfitterstuff.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Um and yeah yeah, that's it Everyone.
I hope you have a merryChristmas and a happy new year.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Mm-hmm.
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Merry Christmas, everybody.
As we record this, it'sDecember 26th.
We went through a snowstormtoday.
It didn't snow on Christmas,did it?
Or was there a?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
skiff.
It was a skiff.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, yeah, it was a skiff.
So, yeah, now it snowed more, Idon't know for three inches
probably, yeah, and it's beenjust windy, Maybe four it's been
windy.
Yeah, it is kind of drifting in, like we won't have too much of
an issue.
But that is an issue.
Here is like we don't get thatmuch snow in here, but it drifts
so much that it'll just likelock you in.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It tends to drift over the roads Because that's
where the like flat land has adip.
These are where the roads are,yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So since it is Christmas, like our outfitting
season is wrapped, I feel likewe did pretty good.
Overall numbers in Nebraska aredown.
We actually you and I went to agame in parks meeting like a
week ago.
And got a little info, likesome data, which was kind of
cool to see, but it's prettymuch that way throughout the
(01:16):
whole state.
It seemed like like justnumbers in general are down.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean they mainly were talking about how it
was like quite a few years ofdrought and then so, like you
know, reproduction wasn't doinggreat because of the drought and
then last year with just such abig winter, it was kind of the
nail in the coffin as far aslike bad things happening to
deer and then each day and stufflike that.
It's like a bunch of factors.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We had a couple of bad HD outbreaks in 2020.
We, you found a buck.
Actually Was it 2020?
.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I can remember if it's 2020 or 2020.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, that was fall of 2020.
You found a good, like one ofthe, like a really good buck.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Actually, you found like a unicorn buck is super
cool has a.
It was a brow time.
It's almost like another mainbeam that it started swinging
around, but probably 11 inches,or just like real thick main
beam that just kind of likeunicorns out in the front Always
sucks to find a deer that hasdied from disease or you know
anything like that, especiallylike we have game camera picks
(02:17):
and stuff from this year.
But like kind of cool that heactually gets to stay on the
place Like he's in the hunterhouse now and yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So we like we get to look at deer all the time but
they don't.
If we get to shoot them, it'swith a client and they get to
take them home, we don't get tokeep them.
Yeah, which is kind of you know.
Have you seen those little?
What do they call those?
They're like mini mule deermounts.
You can get them of anythingbut you can like they'll make
you like a miniature replica,like a tiny miniature replica
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you could get them of likeshoulder mounts, so it looks
like they're shoulder mount onthe wall, but they're just tiny.
I'm pretty sure you can getfull body ones.
I thought about getting one ofthe sheep.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Yeah, or like other big deerChristmas ornament or something.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Or just something like if we had some like really
cool memorable deer on the placeit'd be cool to like get those
little mini replicas and wecould just have them, you know,
somewhere in the lodge, just tokind of like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It'd be cool to just look at them, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Those are the little mini versions of the cool deer
that we've shot out here before.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, yeah, they're kind of they're super cool, um.
So yeah, overall what we'retalking about just, oh, just the
numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
So just from looking, I mean ittook half our deer out at least
.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So you think you guys were like bouncing back from
that and then the drop in thenext EHD like a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I feel like we were starting to get back from it,
and then it seems like we hadmore deer last year too, but I
mean that's after the winner, soyeah, like this last winner in
this part of the country,anyways, was really bad.
It was just like basically fromDecember they were talking
about to December 13th orsomething like that 14th is when
(04:18):
it started and it never reallyled up until you and I came,
which was the first week ofMarch.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It was bad and it like like we bought a snowmobile
bad.
Yeah, yeah, we literally, causeI thought we were going to have
to snowmobile in.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You don't really need a snowmobile.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Not that often, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Until until you do.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, so what?
It would basically snow and itwould melt off a little bit,
blow really bad and then so itjust made a really, really bad
crust and I'm sure there's a lotof deer that couldn't break
through.
I mean, just couldn't handlebreaking through it.
A lot of makes you wonder.
There's a freaking ton ofcoyotes this year, like they
(04:58):
probably went through there.
You know they probably ate good.
Yeah, this winter they, I'msure they just skip drag across
the top.
Yeah, they can run across thetop.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So yeah, hard to say but definitely seems like the
numbers are down and fishing,game and parks kind of said that
it's been a steady decline.
But this year was pretty badbut we we did pretty good.
I think that our numbers arereally good on on our harvest
rate.
We did really well on our Iguess, inch inch ratio per deer.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If you want to call that yeah.
And this is something that'sinteresting too is people
oftentimes they'll talk aboutlike I feel like we don't have
as many deer as we used to, butI feel like our quality is
better.
So I mean, that could be justlike more for the bucks to eat
this year, because there's notas many of them, so they're not
competing, but then maybethey're just not spreading out
(05:55):
as much.
So I don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
There's a ton of biology that goes into that and
and like getting a truebiologist on to talk about that
would be really fun because theycan deep dive into that stuff.
But there's definitely sciencebehind not having as many
animals on the landscape so theones that are on there can
thrive.
Yeah, I think that this yearwas a really big spring too, so
then we have a ton of foliage,that everything was able to eat
(06:19):
on.
And so I think that they theyhad an opportunity.
Like the ones that did survivewere probably the age class of
like prime deer that, like theold ones, probably didn't
survive Maybe the super, superyoung ones and survive funds and
stuff like that.
But the ones that did were ofthe age class that they were
(06:39):
already, you know, four, five,six year olds and then came in
and ate a bunch in the springthat had a big spring and they
were able to just grow, I meanit was, it was great we had a
lot of fun this year.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I guess we'll just talk about it now.
Um yeah, so that that meetingthat we went to is, I don't know
, hit the high notes.
They have 33 mountain lionscaptured, or?
not Sorry, not captured,collared, and they're doing all
kinds.
I mean they're.
They seem to be pretty lax on.
First of all.
(07:10):
Going into this I didn't reallyknow what to expect.
I thought it would be reallyfrustrating for some reason.
But it seems like thebiologists that are, and just
the people that are kind ofthey're recommending these
things which I believe arebiologists they're recommending
like season changes andadjustments and all this stuff
they're recommending that to, tothe Commission.
(07:32):
I don't know any of thecommissioners so I don't know
where it goes after that, butLike how that process goes.
But it seems like the bio, theguys that were recommending
stuff, that were at least givingthe presentations.
They seemed really on top of itand it was a breath of fresh
air.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, like you could tell that they Were all hunters
themselves.
They had the same like concernsthat people that were in the
room did and they were like weare working on it.
You know, like numbers are down, we're cutting doe hunts
numbers are down.
We, like they in Nebraska, usedto have two buck tags that each
resident could have.
Now you can only do one.
So, like the last couple ofyears, they've really cut back
(08:13):
on tags and you know, trying todo their best to like mitigate,
I guess what nature is given you, because you can only do so
much.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, and then they like have to pay attention to a
lot of different I mean therewas a lot of different kind of
people in that room.
Like I looked at the sign-insheet and Like about half of
them were landowners, about halfof them weren't Most of the
people in the room like theyjust have a lot of people they
got to pay attention to and tryto figure out how to make
(08:44):
adjustments off of, and like Ifeel like a lot of the hunter
feedback that they're gettingisn't so much Because of low,
like it is, some of it isbecause of low numbers.
There was a guy there who hadPeople from who knows where I
was out of state, come shootjust like a bunch of two-point
(09:04):
little mule deer and he's likehow do we just fix this thing?
How do we?
How do we keep people fromshooting fork at horns?
Yeah, and so he was like whydon't we do like an antler
restriction or something?
And the biologist was like youlook, the antler restrictions,
like they just aren't reallyproven to just leads to other.
Otherwise issues.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, like leads to other issues which I don't
really understand that Robbiehas some good.
Robbie has a really goodpodcast through the Rockcast.
He has a good episode on that.
That they talked just aboutantler point restrictions and a
lot of it seemed to be it justmade people feel better so they
had to, but that's well, that'swhat this biologist said too.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Was that Wyoming has a two-point restriction on a lot
of their units, or maybe it'sstatewide, I'm not sure, but
yeah that they did that justbecause the hunters wanted them
to do it that there's actual nodata that supports it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's actually I think there's actually data that kind
of supports it the otherdirection, like it, just leads
to different problems.
Yeah like pushes the problemsomewhere else.
But yeah, that was like.
Anyways it was.
It was an interesting sit.
We got to go through some stuffwhere we are at in the planes.
We're kind of split between theplanes and Pine Ridge, but just
(10:19):
on the planes in general.
This year, so 2023, rifleharvest so far Is down 13% from
last year, which the season istechnically still a week from
over.
It was two weeks from over whenwe were at that meeting, so
that could have changed.
But yeah, 13% from last year Imean that's Kind of significant
(10:41):
and it's down like about 43% Ithink is what I think he said
43% Over the five-year average.
So you're like knocking on 50%,you're probably over 50% in
some areas, under in some otherareas.
I mean that's kind of a lotlike.
You know that's you're used toseeing Whatever.
You're used to seeing 20 deerday, whatever you're used to
(11:03):
seeing 20 deer day or 50 deerday, depending on where you're
at and how far you can see andyou're you're cutting that in
half All of a sudden people arelike, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Especially in this state it's got.
It's kind of hard because I'mfrom Idaho.
We have ton of public land.
It's it's great, right, Notsaying Nebraska isn't great, but
it's yeah, I don't say that 97%private.
It's a high 90s, yeah, and sothey.
You know there were talkingabout overpopulation in the
(11:36):
Areas that are public andthere's only X amount of deer in
those areas and so, especiallywhen the population is going
down, you're gonna notice it inthe, I bet, the general
population of yeah hunters thataren't able to get on private
land but, like I Want to say tothe people that are overcrowding
(11:56):
the public, or not residenthunters, no, they're non, non
resident hunters residenthunters are gonna all have a
rancher buddy or somebody thatthey you know from India.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They've got like some of them are going on, you know
some of them are going on publicbut like I Feel like a lot of
residents are taking advantageon those places in different
seasons.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Mm-hmm so they're not just like it's not, they're not
at the war hammering during thenine days In the nineties a
rifle, because I know I meanWhatever this way it is.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But game and fish has to figure out that.
And then People don't like tocut the private landowners any
slack, nor do they theoutfitters any slack.
But now you've got, you havethem.
They have this split now towhere 15% of the tags go to non
(12:50):
residents, 85 go to residents,which for a resident of Nebraska
is great like it cuts down justkind of on everything like and.
But then you have likeoutfitters that are like only
15% go to non resident.
The truth of the matter is I'venever had a resident, besides an
(13:11):
elk hunter, come like to huntever.
So they're all non residents soit's like all right, well, then
they start selling out of tags.
Then what do you do?
And it's not really just likean outfitter thing there there's
a guy at the meeting who haslike there's some, you know,
people like clients of histhrough his business.
(13:33):
He owns land, he has a itsounds like he has.
He has like he sells bowls inthe spring, so or I guess it'd
be, yeah, I'd be coming up herein the winter.
So he has like bull sales.
He has non residents that buysbulls and da, da, da and like
cool, you can come hunt, andthen his friends aren't able to
get tags, so then you have thatgoing on.
(13:55):
But people want to cap the nonresidents because they're just
like over.
For the most part they're justoverflowing.
You know, they're just floodingthe public.
There's just not that muchpublic to overflow here.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it's hard because there is not a ton of
public land.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah.
So you have all this stuffgoing on that they're trying to
manage and I just I don't.
After going to that meeting, Iwas like thank God, I don't do
this.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, I thought the same thing.
I was like man.
I'm glad I'm not a biologist,because I mean they had.
They were talking about howthere's like actual Biological,
like numbers, and then there'ssocial, like social socially
acceptable numbers numbers right.
And what's like biologicallyokay for an ecosystem and what
(14:39):
is socially okay Is like twodifferent things and they're
trying to manage that, you knowright.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, it was.
It was very interesting.
I'm glad we went.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't wish that job upon anybody, because I'm sure
they like there isn't, it'sthere in a no win situation.
They're either like landownersor either mad at them.
Or hunters are mad at them ornon residents are mad at them.
It's kind of like being abreath in sports You're always
gonna be on the losing side ofsomeone.
Yeah, I'm glad that there arepeople that are doing it and I'm
glad it seems like these guysare actually really passionate
(15:09):
about it and they're trying todo a good job.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.
Um, if there's any LikeNebraska residents that are
interested in it or I guess,even non resident people,
they're having a zoom meetinglike January 17, some.
No.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Seventh or something.
Okay, it was a single.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It was a single digit , so it must be the seventh.
If you just go to Nebraska andfish Game parks sorry, you
scroll to the bottom hit thenews I think it's in the news
somewhere and it'll show you howto get into the zoom meeting.
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I think last time we talked wewere getting ready to go it.
Yeah, we were getting ready togo to the meteor life, so we
went to that.
We went down to Denver and didthat.
That whole thing is completelywrapped up.
They did their last show.
If they do it again, I wouldrecommend people go.
(16:31):
Like it was pretty fun.
I thought it was super fun.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I was just in the in the stands hanging out and from
a viewer's perspective, Ithought it was great.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I was too scared to look out into the
audience, but I did.
I took a scan right before Iwalked out and the first person
I saw was Logan works at firstlight.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
He's the duckmeister yeah, first light.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I was wearing my duck sweatshirt and I was like dude.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
The girl.
I can't remember her name, butshe was the artist actually drew
it was with Logan.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Mm-hmm, and she was also stoked that you had it on
before the show.
Actually, yanni also had thesweater on and you guys almost
had rock paper scissors on.
Who got to wear the sweater?
And he was like, oh, that's allright, I got other stuff to
wear.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But yeah, I know, it was super fun, a little
interaction with the crowds andstuff.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Oh yeah, we did.
We did the little VIP meet andgreet thing before, yeah, which
was kind of fun.
So, we got to talk to a lot ofpeople.
It's kind of funny.
There was like some people thatwere asking what we were doing,
like oh, how's this how theseason go this year?
I was so wrapped up in guiding.
I was like, oh yeah, we've hada pretty good year.
(17:42):
Actually there's you know,start talking about guiding
there like no, like your year.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And I was like I forgot we hunted at all I
haven't talked about my year ina long time.
I don't really know what I hopeWe've been guiding for the last
like month and a half strong.
That we kind of forgot that we,that we hunted as well.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so it was fun though Jordan got to do a lot of
handshakes, couple what Ithought was really cool was a
couple of young girls come overand we're like starstruck a
little bit and we're just likeoh man, I'm so glad I get to
meet you yeah what are the oneone girl asked you something
Like super cute.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
She was just like oh, she asked if she could come and
hunt at the ranch or somethingright?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And I give him a business card.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's whatit was, but yeah she was.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
She was super cute.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's just fun to like actually see people like come
and chat with everyone and likeoh yeah, I did about it yeah
it's all like all good people to, oh for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was kind of it was it wasn'tkind of fun, like it was super
fun.
I'm not good in socialsituations and I surprised
myself a little bit on just likeLoosen it up a little bit and
(18:50):
just being able to talk topeople and mm-hmm, yeah, it was
fun.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think you knew what to what was coming, slash what
to expect type of a thing, andso you could like prepare for it
, compared to like when we'rejust random.
Yeah like run into somebody,like we ran into someone at an
ice cream parlor one time, andJordan did not know what to do
with herself and was just likecool.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I thought it was a great time yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, we did.
Uh, we got a comment there thatit wasn't a negative comment.
I just want to talk about itjust because it's not true.
There was.
We were talking about going toArizona and, just like you know,
hunting ourselves in general,and there's a guy that is like
it's gotta be awesome.
Like now You're under the meatyour name, like you can just go
(19:37):
on any private that you want.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, I get tons of access like it's gotta be
awesome and we were like waitwhat?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
yeah, I was like, oh no, I mean we've got the outfit
Nebraska, that's private, cuzthat's my family's place and I
lease Like around it someneighbors that I grew up with,
you know, but as far as likeWestern states, I it's, it's all
been public.
Yeah, there was one time thatLeah Basically like pulled my
(20:08):
ear and got me to drive intothese people's driveways.
So she can go ask if she couldhunt, and I just wanted to crawl
into a whole she was very upsetwith me, yeah it was like I'm
going to, I'm gonna sit in thisvehicle and I'm not.
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There was there was a big buck on this property and I
grew up in Idaho, where I guessit doesn't matter where you
grew up, but I grew up nothaving a place to go all the
time, and or I would see ducksland on a field and I would just
walk up to the house and ask ifI could go go hunting somewhere
, and that's how I gotpermission.
(20:44):
All the time helps when you'reyou know, I was like in college,
like young girl shows up Askedto go hunt on your place.
A lot of times it works,probably better than maybe you
know 40 year old man shows up orsomething.
I use that shit to my advantageand I am proud to say that I
got a Lot on places I shoot.
I did it like a couple yearsago for turkeys, mm-hmm.
(21:06):
So I'm used to asking forpermission.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Jordan was like absolutely not, it's like 20
minutes.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
For me that's not just a permission thing of where
I got to grow up hunting.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, it's just like you just don't like doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I'm just like there's all this public figured
out.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And then, where did we shoot the deer the next day
on on?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
public on the public, but it was right next to where
the private was and if we gotpermission on the private we
wanted, we literally had like,talked about, like okay, on the
top of this ridge is public, onthe bottom of it Is not.
If there's any chance that thatdeer is pointed downhill when
you go to shoot, type of thing,probably shouldn't do it because
it's gonna run down to theprivate land.
So it was a little more of alike okay, we're watching lines,
(21:48):
we're doing all this stuff,compared to just like if we had,
if they weren't home theydidn't say no, they weren't home
, but if they had given mepermission, then we wouldn't
have had to worry about whichway the deer is facing when you
shoot it or anything like thattype Of a thing.
So I'm a little more brazenlike that, but Jordan's not, and
that is that is fine.
(22:08):
But anyways, these guys werelike really surprised to hear
that we were like oh no, we'realways on public, like Idaho's
public, utah's public, likeeverywhere We've hunted is
always public and they're likeno way.
We didn't realize that wefigured like once you're on.
Me you're you're just like,you're just always on private.
No it's not the case, and Idon't think that's the case for
a A bunch of the other peoplethat are on the staff either.
No, I think predominantlythey're all hunting public land.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think especially like all the Montana
hunts and like all that kind ofstuff.
Like there's exceptions, youknow, to every rule.
All right, we're gonna do acouple Q&A or a couple questions
.
These are all from Instagram,but you can.
You can leave like a voicemailto ask me a question, which I
would love, because I've got oneperson do it so far and that's
(22:54):
embarrassing.
So let's try to pump that up anotch.
If you go to Jordan dash bycalm, you'll find your way.
Okay, first one is from in dotnor quest on Instagram.
Best way to apply forout-of-state tags.
There's a few different ways ofdoing this.
There are some Systems outthere or like not software, but
(23:17):
there were some websites thatcan really help you with it,
like Eastmans has one now.
This is their tag hub.
I Haven't been around that onea lot.
I looked at it when it firstcame out and I think that
they've.
They have like a 2.0 versionnow.
But then there's like go hunt.
Everybody's heard a go hunt, alittle more expensive option to
(23:37):
get you in.
I think it's a hundred bucks ora hundred fifty dollars, maybe
something like that.
But it just basically lines outlike you can.
You can go to a state and say,hey, I want to hunt a freaking
wherever Wyoming and I have thismany points and where can I
draw that's, it filters theunits down for you.
So just kind of eliminate somesteps for you then, like epic
(23:59):
outdoors is another one.
So epic outdoors, great it'll.
You can Like it'll, it'lltailor you all the things that
go hunt tells you.
But if you have that epicmembership you can actually call
and talk to people that knowwhat they're doing.
It's kind of like a hunt andfool ish type thing.
And there's other things theretoo, like hunt and fool, like
(24:23):
there's a lot of them out there.
So you can go that route tohelp you like narrow down units
and all that stuff at least seeit started like if you're a noob
, completely like Pain.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
To talk to those guys would probably be like the best
thing you could do, becausethey're gonna give you so much
knowledge the cheapest option.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's a little bit of a elbow slash, eyeball grease
and just like pick a state andGet on their website and just
like dig into it because alltheir like draw.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Odds are harvest.
They all have.
Everything should be on there.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
It might be harder to read than some of these other
ones, but it's gonna be a lotcheaper.
And in some instances, likeSometimes, I've relied on some
of those websites too much toget all my information and I
think I know it, and then I geton the website like before we go
or something I'll be like oh mygod, I didn't know that or
something.
(25:19):
So sometimes it's good to diginto that website a lot.
So there are some differentresources for the cheapest one.
I say like pick the state youwant to go to and then I Mean
you know that could be, go dosome different states, like that
could be even like it's closestto your hometown or your home
(25:40):
is to get to or yes simplest toget to.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Me personally, I would pick the one that you're
most likely gonna be able todraw more often, because you
could choose the next state.
That's right, like, say.
Say you're like right in themiddle of your state and you
could split either direction.
Yeah, the one might be knownfor bigger deer or something
like that.
But the other one you're gonnalike, that one You're only gonna
draw one every ten years andthe other one you're gonna draw
(26:07):
every three years.
Right, go with the one, you geta hummer.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, this is where strategy comes in, mm-hmm.
So a strategy with that wouldbe like the one that's bigger
deer, like you're gonna draw wayless often, like you just apply
for points there.
Yeah, like every year you justget on and you eat the 50 bucks
or whatever and you apply foryour points and then you get in
the other spot that state exists.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I mean, that's Essentially what we're doing
like we can hunt Idaho.
We're a residence, so we'relucky.
We can hunt Idaho every year onOTC tag.
And Then we can take some ofthe other states, like Colorado,
wyoming, and we can like buildpoints in those states and we
can be like a little more choosy.
I say that but like we're atthat choosy, I'm just buying
(26:54):
points until I can get up toenough to actually make it
worthwhile because unfortunatelythere's a little bit of a
Entrance fee.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
If you will, like most these states, you're gonna
have to have three plus points,if not more.
Unfortunately and so it'sbetter get on it now and just
start buying points, becauseit's not gonna make a difference
Until you get down the roadalways.
Yeah that is Unfortunatebecause the point creep and all
that kind of jazz.
And so if you're limited on yoursupply of money or when you
(27:25):
think you can go or whatever,just like pick your one state
like maybe Do your research,figure out which one you're
gonna be able to draw more oftenand I think, anytime you can go
honey more often, you're gonnalearn that area better, you're
gonna, you know, be able to getout more and you're gonna enjoy
yourself more than waiting forthat one state that's gonna take
you ten years to draw right andthen you get there and you're
like oh and it, and it isn't asgood as you have like hyped it
(27:49):
up to be a lot.
Yeah, a lot of times, yeah, Ifeel like yeah, you think like I
don't know, everyone can.
You can see a Article inEastman's about a big buck and
think I got to go there, liketype of thing.
If you've I don't know youfigured out where it was or
something like that or it's justwhatever state it was, and Then
(28:10):
you go there and you don't havethat same experience, but the
guy that shot that big buck onthere you might have had 40 days
of scouting or might havehunted that.
Oh yeah life or you don't know,you know type of a thing, and
like an out-of-state person justshowing up With no scouting,
with nothing, is probably notgonna be as successful, like 90%
of the time, and so it's justbetter to like, go somewhere
(28:33):
that you're gonna be able todraw more often, yeah, and be
able to get boots on the groundmore often, and the closer you
can get to home the better,because then you're probably
gonna scout it.
Oh, yeah, if you're for sure ifyou're putting in for points
five states away, you're notgonna scout it Mm-hmm Like, so
your odds of getting me to my isgonna be less yeah yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean, it's beginning to be like let's just
pay to play.
It's unfortunate, like yes,it's unfortunate.
I hate to go down this rubble,but we don't really differ on
this.
We differ a little bit maybe,but like this whole pay-to-play
(29:15):
thing, so like Wyoming, forinstance, they I read a thing
the other day they they increasetheir tags in the resident.
So there's a in Wyoming,there's a regular draw and then
there's a Special special drawand Basically what that is is
like Wyoming says, if you wantto pay more money, you can get
(29:39):
in your own pool to draw and andthe draws should be better,
they should be better.
That's not always true, but theyshould be better because it's a
smaller amount of people thatjust want to pay more money to
Whatever your draw.
It should be better.
Not always the case, but thattag is now going to 1900 and
(30:01):
something dollars, whereas, like, the regular draw is 700.
I think Mm-hmm, which is rightin there for elk, I think, not
the 1900.
Yeah, that's pretty expensive,but like Some people were like
oh, this is like a rich man'sgame, pay-to-play, but like
(30:21):
that's for non-resonance, that'sgoing out of state, like if you
really want to hunt there andyou like.
You know it means that much toyou than like move there.
Yeah, be resident by a $30 tagand have all this.
We have friends that have donethat Place to go to.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
We have multiple friends that have moved to a
state because hunting is betterthere.
The whole reason they'reraising the rates is to try and,
unfortunately, lower the amountof people that are trying to go
into the states.
To non-resident hunt because,non-resident hunting has blown
up recently.
It's, you know, there's just alot of pressure and a lot of
(30:59):
people trying to get theselimited numbers of tags.
So how do they combat that?
They keep raising the rates.
You would be better off if youlived in, you know, any state
that has what you want to hunt.
It sucks if you're, if you livein Iowa and you want to hunt
giant mule deer you're out ofluck.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's not going to work.
Yeah, you got to come, but ifyou say say like us we live in
Idaho.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
If we spent what it's $800 for an out of state tag in
Wyoming.
If we spent $800 on gas, foodand equipment to be able to go
scouting more often and boots onthe ground in Idaho, we would
harvest more and have more funin the same state that we're in,
(31:45):
instead of spending $800 for astate away that we don't get to
do all that stuff in.
And so it's like pros and cons,right?
Like you might have this idealimage of like oh, I'm going to
go to Wyoming, I'm going toshoot this bull and it's going
to be great, and you get overthere and you don't know
anything about it.
And then you're on the strugglebus the whole time and you
(32:06):
could spend that same amount ofmoney on being able to know your
own state even better.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So there's that which works for Western but for
Eastern.
Like you said, if you live inIowa and you want to shoot a big
mule deer, you got to come thisway, at least a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But then we're in Idaho and we're like, dang, I
kind of want to shoot a bigwhitetail and it's like you got
to go East.
So it's like pros and cons.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Or we got to go to Nebraska.
Yeah, that's East, that's East,that's true.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
We were hunting public whitetails in Montana,
yeah, and for us it's more ofjust like the fun we have fun
hunting and so, yeah, we weregoing to like hunt in Idaho and
then we're going to like gosomewhere else.
And, like we, love to exploreand try new places.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And I don't really have any other like.
This is really what I do.
I don't have any other hobbies.
You don't like unfortunately, Ihad to get another hobby called
snowboarding, yeah, and I hadto buy an expensive ass
snowboard.
You didn't have to.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I gave you my old snowboard.
Yeah, but it sucked.
It did not suck.
It was great snowboard.
It was not like I bought it.
It was a Burton.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's not like I bought it as a thrissure.
Yeah, no, no, no, I know, Iknow, I know, but it didn't
quite fit me.
Yeah, it was too long, and shelikes things, new things.
Yeah, I got a SkyLog aboard.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So yeah, geez.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I mean you have two hobbies.
I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, but my main one is hunting Is the old deer
Living, breathing, hunting.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean, it's true.
What do we do on our spare time?
We go glassing there, we gothere we go.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Now let's get into the rest of the thing.
All right, here's the old deer.
It's much smaller than that.
Alright, yeah, so that's fine,just what we do sometimes.
Yeah, okay, next one by fromentertain underscore Matt, we're
going on the optics train alittle bit here.
Is there really such a thing asso much magnification that your
(34:09):
binos aren't useful?
There's two differentcategories for this.
I'm going to tell the one.
The tolerances aren't quite astight.
Maybe they didn't put as muchdevelopment into the coatings
and stuff like that.
It's still probably a prettygood pair of binoculars, but if
you're going to be looking inthem all day, they're just not
(34:32):
going to be, as Usually theirtop line is like these are the
tightest tolerances we can get.
We put as much development andtime into figuring out the
coatings of how we want thosethings situated.
We put a lot of thought intothe ergos, the ergonomics of the
thing.
This is as good as we can make,and here it is Oftentimes just
(34:57):
the lower tier ones that justend up being cheaper because
they did things like made someof the things plastic and
whatever, as you go, just kindof as a general rule of thumb as
you go up in power on thosethings, the glass quality tends
to go down or you're just notgoing to be as impressed.
(35:20):
The clarity is going to go down,kind of everything is going to
go down.
If you need to really go on thecheap side and buy a really
cheaper, like a lower line setof binoculars or whatever,
because they're cheaper, go witha pair of 8s or, at the very
top, go with 10s.
If you go on the lower powers,just the less you're going to be
(35:41):
able to see those differences.
Is that an awful explanation?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
No, that was great.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I know, jeez, yeah.
So we kind of talked about thisin the journey.
I told him the question beforewe started.
But there's two ways of thought.
It's exactly what you just said, which was the higher power you
get.
If you don't have great glass,you're not going to be able to
see as clearly.
The other thing isstabilization.
(36:13):
The higher you get, the morethat hand holding is going to
become impossible.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's kind of just like in general.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes, it doesn't matter if you have great glass
or bad, not as good qualityglass or whatever.
The higher you get you're goingto be able to start seeing your
heartbeat when you're trying tolook at picking a part stage
brush and stuff like that.
You physically cannot hand holda pair of 15s and be able to
(36:42):
see as well as even if you dropthat down to a 12 or a 10,
because you're going to have somuch motion and then your eyes
are going to start to get tiredbecause they're trying to make
up for that motion and stabilizeyourself.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You're just not going to be able to pick up as much
either.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's just going to be shaky.
That's when, if you go higher,you could have the nicest glass
in the world.
If you're hand holding those,you're hamstringing yourself.
You need to put those on atripod and get a nice, stable
base and then you'll be set.
If you don't do that, you couldspend all the money in the
world on a really nice pair ofbinoculars and you're not going
(37:20):
to be able to see as much assomeone with a lesser power,
cheaper pair of binoculars on atripod.
That would be my thing is yougot to add stabilization into it
.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, kind of wrapping it up, we're headed to
Arizona.
My tag opens January 1st.
I'm pretty sure there are a lotof.
I didn't know this.
We made the internet mad.
Oh yeah, I haven't got to theinternet.
We did make the internet allhalf of it anyways.
Really, what would this be?
A third, that's like a quarter.
(37:55):
Anyways, over the counterarchery tags you can get for
Arizona yes, they are over thecounter but they're quoted.
The units are quoted for it.
You got to get on and you gotto look at all these quotas.
I've been getting on and beinglike, all right, well, that unit
(38:16):
that I wanted to go to is out.
Got to go to a new unit.
Anyways, we're getting ready todo that, which will be fun.
We're just going to go for aweek or something like that with
Cole.
We talked about it when Colewas on the last thing and I put
a little snippet on Instagramabout I said I said, kuz, you're
(38:37):
suck.
I was like just kidding, justkidding.
We were laughing about it andtalking about yeah, for us, if
there was a Kuz deer standingright next to a mule deer, we
would shoot the mule deer justbecause we like it more.
We were poking some fun at itand, oh my God, it pissed some
Kuz deer people off.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
There's some solid Kuz deer followers, religious
followers of the Kuz of the cows.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, and some guys were, just like you, never
hunted Kuz deer before.
I was like I have.
Actually I have filmed them andthey are.
They're fun.
Yeah, they're really hard tohunt, I get it.
I was on two of them and justsaying like they shot like
(39:21):
really big Kuz here for Kuz deer.
Yeah, but they're like reallybig.
So like I've been on the hunt,so like I know and it was fun,
but I would just rather you'lldo honey.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
So okay, so we did that and we put up a little
thing.
What was?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
our poll.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, what was our final stats on that?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Kuz deer versus Meal dear 920 people voted for meal
dear and 193 people voted forcoups dear.
We had a guy take our reel andhe made it into his own.
He like talked at the beginningof it and then showed our reel
and he's like so for all youArizona guys.
(40:03):
I'm quite sure that all of hispeople went coups deer over,
meal deer probably.
But like somebody said, he'slike it's cool with me if you
like meal deer, more coups deerfor me.
Mm-hmm, I said, yep, more muledeer for me.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So it's all good guys .
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Don't freaking, like literally that Blow their tops.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
It was so funny, I loved it.
It was just like people werebickering and it was hilarious
it was funny we also got asensitivity Screening on
Instagram for that one too, andwe were sitting here at our
kitchen table talking about thisbecause I said shots fired and
then I did the squirt gun.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
the lime green squirt gun, yeah, the lime green
squirt gun, but I took that offand it's we were still flagged.
So I don't know.
Hmm, that's because the coupsdeer people were mad.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Be, nice, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So with that, huh, it's an archery hunt.
Yeah, you have a tag, Cole hasa tag, cole's dad has a tag.
Yeah, you got your bow all setup.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, so I've, I've got a sighted in.
It wasn't sighted in last time,we all talked, but it's sighted
in and yeah, I'll go throughthat a little bit, little bit
here, let me, let me grab it.
Okay, so this is a Matthewsphase four, as we talked about
(41:27):
before.
I kind of got my bow swipedwhen we were in Colorado and
that was a v3x and I loved it.
I was gonna buy the exact sameone, but the dealer, I went
through how to phase four forliterally the exact same.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I thought you'd gotten the exact same one.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No, this is a new one .
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I didn't know that.
I see that.
Now phase four oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So I did black limbs with I think this is called
buckskin, I don't know and Iwent with yellow strings.
So we got everything all set uphere.
The dialed site I talked aboutit a little bit, I got it all
shot in and got my tape allfigured out.
It was pretty easy.
(42:09):
It's a little different, likeI'm used to.
I was using the black goldbefore, which I really liked,
like the SNS archery black gold.
I think it's a backcountry SNS,I don't know, but it I really
liked it.
But dialed had sent Yanni and Ione of these and each one of
these when we were doing thepodcast and already had it, and
they're really good sites.
(42:29):
There are a lot of money Ithink they're 515 but they do a
lot of stuff.
There's like a little coverhere for your pins so you can
Pull the cover over and likecover your pins or you can push
the cover back and it'll.
It really does it to lights.
(42:49):
Oh yeah, look at this, it'sgonna be hard to see.
So that's off and that's wow,just letting light in.
Yeah, really does your pins up?
So yeah, and the way it endedup being, I have three pins.
My top pin correlates to myslider at 20 yards.
My second pin ended up being at35 yards.
(43:13):
My fourth pin ended up being atlike 46 yards.
So I've got those other pins,like set up different.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Um, and then you can dial accordingly.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, and then you dial and my, my top pin is what
I use for my dial and I mean I'm, the other two pins should core
them.
They should kind of correspondas you go down.
They're gonna start gettinginaccurate as you go out further
in In distance.
But anyways, yeah, I mean sofar it's okay.
(43:44):
There's like a little bit oflike a.
You hear that little.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, it's like tight .
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I don't know what the hell.
I Don't know why.
I don't know why it does that,but anyways it seems, needs a
little box to be okay.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, you knew.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I went back to a tight spot.
This is like a new version ofthe tight spot quiver and I
don't know.
It just seems super adjustableand they just made some upgrades
from their previous one that Itried, so decided to Try it
again.
It fits super, super tight toyour bow.
(44:23):
I.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Like that.
It's got the hanger on the topof it.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, so you can like pop it off hanging a tree Yep,
I think is what they wanted todo with that.
And then they, they did thesame kind of dovetail deal with
the quiver, with the.
Yeah, so my stabilizer, um yeah, like slides in and out.
(45:04):
It's okay.
I kind of wish I wouldn't havegot it, it was and I.
Have this one, which I don'tremember who makes it, but it
slides in and out so it kind oflike a tripod leg.
It's a stabilizer like goes onyour bow and then you can use
(45:26):
like the quick detach and andthen you can extend it out if
you want.
You can put it wherever youwant and you close.
The little deal Just seems moreadjustable.
I can take these weights off ifI want.
I could take, you know, I canjust like really fine-tune it.
You're in a blind, you can haveit compact.
You're out in the wind in theopen country, you can have it
(45:50):
out a little bit more to helpyou stabilize.
So I Don't know if I'm gonnaend up taking that thing, taking
this one off.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
They really should put their brand name on my so we
could actually rememberliterally don't, I don't
remember somebody'll come in.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
No, yeah, but yeah, it's okay.
The this, it's the bridge lockstabilizer Just doesn't seem
like enough weight for me.
Pretty lightweight, yeah, evenwhen you get out of distance or
like when you get it slid allthe way out here, mm-hmm, still
seems like it's like not quiteenough for what I was wanting.
But I don't know, they allscrew that thing on maybe
(46:30):
tomorrow and mess with it alittle bit.
So the case it's a pelican,it's a pelican air.
It's like literally there theycall it their bow case, like
it's our bow hunter case.
It's pretty expensive.
I bought this thing before yanniand I went on our archery hunt
(46:50):
for caribou in Alaska a coupleyears ago.
But it has like a foam spot forarrows up there you could pop
your arrows into.
Then it has like this internalSoft case, so it's just kind of
a soft cover.
You can like put your bow inthere and strap it in if you
want, and then this Goes overthe top of it, so it kind of
(47:10):
keeps the top of your bow likeoh, what do you, what do you?
Whatever you want to call itprotected, yep.
And has a little case or alittle zippered pocket that you
can put some stuff in yourzippered pocket, has, like,
these little bags on the sidesthat you can remove or not, and
(47:32):
so you can keep some regularstuff.
What I typically do it's like Iput my bow in there, put the
Soft cover like over the top ofit, and then I'll pack other
stuff in around it.
Okay, 1745 bow case from pelican.
It's their pelican air series,I don't know, seems to work.
(47:53):
That's pretty much all I have.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
We're an hour and 11 you guys are probably really
sick of listening to us talk, soI am sick of listening to us
talk.
We have anything else we weregonna talk about no.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
That's pretty much it .
We'll just uh, yeah, hopeeverybody had a good Christmas
and probably the next episodewill be with coal Down in
Arizona, talking about the huntthat's going on down there and a
little more about outfitterstuff.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Um and yeah yeah, that's it Everyone.
I hope you have a merryChristmas and a happy new year.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Mm-hmm.
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