Hershey RV Show 2025: Best New RVs + Biggest Letdowns

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SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
Today we are gonna dive through all of the fun
things that I, unfortunatelyjust me, Lauren didn't go.
We saw, did, experienced,smelled, all of the things that
go into an RV show.
Yes, smelled's a thing.
From the Hershey RV show,otherwise known as America's
largest RV show.
All of that coming up on the RVShenanigans Podcast.

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Welcome back to the RVShenanigans Podcast.
If it's your first time here,I'm Ryan.

SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
I'm Lauren.

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And we are the shenanigans holders, doers.

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That that's the truest statement I think we've
ever said on this podcast.
We are the shenanigans.

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Um and by the way, this is a little bit of a
housekeeping thing, just firstoff.
Um, if you are watching this, ifyou are watching this, that's
our dog causing shadows in thebackground, who is about to get
kicked out of the roomcompletely if she keeps doing
this.
Uh, would you pull her overthere, please?

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Mishka.

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Um, so we have officially split the shenanigans
podcast off, and that's her tailin the background now.

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We are not.

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This is why we're called shenanigans.
There's all kinds of it, and I'mgonna leave it all in because
it's kind of funny andentertaining.
So, for those of you that havesaid we haven't seen the dogs in
a while, there's Mishka's tail.
Um, trust me, they're just themix of everything as normal.
Um, we um we we split thepodcast off onto its own channel
on YouTube.
Now, if you're listening to thison Apple Podcasts, Spotify

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Podcast, whatever your platformyou prefer is, we're on a lot of
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Um nothing's changed.
It's same old, same old.
This part's not really for you.
So thanks for listening.
Um, but if you're watching it,it is on its own channel now.
We appreciate those of you thatreally want the in-depth dive
into um the RV side of things,Miller's in motions.
And I'm not gonna say transitionbecause it never really left,

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but we were making the algorithmmad over on YouTube with putting
the podcast there.

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More shenanigans.

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This time it's YouTube's not us, even though
we're the one that kind ofcaused it.
So um, but that that channel isgonna focus on the travel side
of not only RV life, but theoccasional crews and other
things we do.
Um, kind of par for the courseover there.
We're just taking all of thedeep dive RV stuff and leaving
it here.
So, welcome to the new channelif you're watching this.
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for a while.
We just don't use it.
So Mishka's just gonna dowhatever she wants to do.

SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Yep, that's about her MO though.

SPEAKER_05 (02:28):
So, with that, for this episode, I'm going to hand
the primary host duties off toprimary host duties off to
Lauren.
Because she didn't go, I'm goingto let her take y'all's seat a
little bit and kind of grill meslash ask me questions about the
show.
So without further ado, that wasmy drum roll.

SPEAKER_01 (02:53):
We need practice.

SPEAKER_05 (02:54):
Yeah, that's I just need to not do it, is what
really needs to happen.
But yeah, if I had a preset overhere, I could do it, but I don't
know which one it is.

SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
All right.
So to kick things off, I wouldsay that probably the most
common question that we got, andthat even I had was that like
we've been to a lot of RV showsand No, we haven't.

SPEAKER_05 (03:11):
We've been to one, maybe two RV shows a lot of
times.

SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
We've been to a couple, and even when we were
looking to buy, so like what wasthe vibe?
What was the energy?
What was the feel?
And was it different than whatwe've experienced before?

SPEAKER_05 (03:23):
So I I should have said this to begin with.
This isn't Hershey,Pennsylvania, if you didn't
gather Hershey RV show.
So just in case you werecurious, um, it it was similar
getting well, no, it wasn't evensimilar getting in.
As far as like the people, itwas very much so a similar feel
in a really we're used to theTampa RV show or the Florida RV

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Super Show, if you may.
Um it it's a more compressedversion.
I know they say it's America'slargest RV show.
I'm not sure what criteria theyuse to call it that.
We've always questioned that.
It's definitely not infootprint.
Um, like square footage usedkind of a thing.
It might have the most RVs,maybe that's what they're
referring to.
I don't know.

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I'm not gonna pretend to know.
But this felt very compressedcomparatively to Tampa.

SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
Did that make it feel like more crowded?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
I gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 (04:16):
So the RV displays themselves were very much so
like if you've ever been to likea convention center and it's
just rows and rows of RVs, it'sthat a hundred percent.
And each display has like abigger display would have maybe
uh like Alliance is a mid-sizeddisplay, and they had three rows
of RVs that went probably two orthree RVs deep.
They had one in the back, andthen they kind of was like look
shaped like a big W if youlooked at it from the top or an

(04:38):
M, depending on which sideyou're looking at it from, um,
of aisles, and then there wereRVs all around it.
The really big displays, likethe Jacos of the world, Forest
River, those they were so bigthey had brands separated, and
then they had small displaysmade up inside the big display,
kind of thing.
So but yeah, um it it it therewas a lot going on.
I will say too, and I don't knowif you're gonna ask this

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question a lot, but um that'sgetting in was a task.
Really?
It was not easy, and I say thatin terms of the parking, once
you understood what they weretrying to do, trying to get you
into parking, it it made sense.
But there was not a clear, likethey say come here and do this,
but it's like, hey, go over hereto 45th Avenue, hang a left, and

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then on 6th Street, take aright, and then go down to
Pennsylvania Way and you'reright there.
Well, but if you don't, there'sno map.
So I don't under like I I'm amap person.
I want to know where the map is,and so you pull in and it's
really confusing because it saysHershey Park, because it's right
there next to Hershey Park,which is the amusement park,

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parking this way, park all otherparking this way.
Well, I don't know which one I'msupposed to park at because the
website didn't tell me.
It just said go park.
And then you get into it and youthink you've made a mistake
because you go in through thebooth, there's booths on both
sides.
So which booth?
Again, be more clear.
And then you literally wrap allthe way around the facility to

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get back to the parking lot youjust passed on your left.
So you went, took a right, tookabout a three-quarters to a mile
detour to get back on your left.
And so it just math didn't mathin my head on that one.
And so that was confusing.
It took me a few rounds to tryand figure out to get in.
And then there are multipleentrances, that's a lie.
I mean, there are, but likeunless you're parking in

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handicap ADA parking or you're avendor, there's one entrance.

unknown (06:34):
Gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 (06:34):
So if the attendance was 25,000 people in one day,
I'm gonna say most of that camein through a singular entrance.
That line was insane.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 (06:46):
God bless America that I had a creator badge or a
media badge because I picked itup the day before on industry
day.
And so when I walked up, I stoodin that line for about 20
minutes, and then somebody Iknew walked by and go, Why are
you standing in that line?
You already have a badge.
I was like, because I don't knowwhat it is.
Like I just thought this was theentry line.
He goes, You got a badge, go inthis way.

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And then I bypassed it.
It was long, very long.
So, like to give you an example,from when I got out of line and
I wasn't even to the back, I wasprobably about a third of the
way through it or a quarter ofthe way through it at that
point.
It took us another 15 minutes towalk to the front of that line.

SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 (07:24):
There's some stairs.
So a little slower than normal.
But yeah, that was crazy.
And then again, I'm not evensure if you've got this on here.
Um, but it's some of it's insidethe Giant Center, which is the
like arena.
It's where they're um it's notamateur hockey.
Uh, what's the professionalleague below the NHL?
Whatever that is.

SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
Minors?

SPEAKER_05 (07:44):
Yeah, it's like minor league baseball, but it's
hockey.
It's where that team plays forthat that area or Hershey or
Harrisburg or whatever the nameof the team is.
And they had like accessoryvendors everywhere.
Like, well, like around theconcourse.
I didn't know it went all theway around the concourse.
But then they also had them onthe floor.
So, like to get down on thefloor, you had to walk down the
stairs.
So you had to walk half of astadium down, more importantly,

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half a stadium back up to getout of it, just to see I'd say
half, maybe a little less thanhalf of the vendors.

SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
All the photos I've seen were just the middle part.
I didn't know they were in theconcourse as well.

SPEAKER_05 (08:16):
Either to die and they didn't do a good job of
explaining that because therewere natural gaps where like
restrooms and concession standssat on the concourse because
it's a stadium, not a vendorhall.
And so you didn't realize therewere more vendors around the
corner.

SPEAKER_01 (08:28):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 (08:29):
And so I didn't notice that until I went to go
meet the people at open roads topick up our new fuel card.
I may have had an accident.
Um, and they were very nice tosend a fuel card from where they
were with the people going tothe show and give it to me
there.
Um and I couldn't find him, andI finally called one of them,
like, hey, I have I can't findyou guys.

SPEAKER_01 (08:47):
I'm lost.
Where's the one on theconcourse?

SPEAKER_05 (08:49):
I'm like, no, you're not.
And like, keep going.
Like, what?
And that's when I realized thatit was five times the size I
thought it was.

SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
So well, and also I know that like in Tampa, you
used to be able to, I don't knowabout the future, but be able to
stay on the grounds.
And there's no You kind of cannow.
There's no camping at theHershey show, is there?

SPEAKER_05 (09:07):
So there's dry they have a dry camping lot, but you
still have to drive over.

SPEAKER_01 (09:10):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 (09:11):
So even though it's part of the show, nice.
It is.
The show facilitates it.
Okay.
But it's dry camping only.
There is no hookups of any kind,so you're boondocking.
Um sorry, there's sorry, it'snot just dry camping, it's full
boondocking.

SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (09:25):
So it's it's a it's a field that they put lines down
on and you've got spots.
Um, there were some allianceowners over there that I saw.
So I talked to on the way inbecause they have a very blue
rig and it stood out like a sorethumb.

SPEAKER_02 (09:36):
Um in a good way.

SPEAKER_05 (09:37):
In a good way.
It was actually a pretty blue.
I wouldn't pick it, but itdidn't look bad by any means.
Um, but yeah, that you could youcould camp there if you had the
ability to boondock, which if wehad the solar system, I would
have done it in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
Even though you still had to drive?

SPEAKER_05 (09:52):
Yeah, because you're not driving far, and they had a
shuttle if you wanted to takethat over.

SPEAKER_01 (09:55):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (09:56):
I had to drive in 30 minutes every day from our
campground.
Gotcha.
The shuttle makes a bigdifference.
And so but you still had to,it's not like you could we're on
the grounds like at Tampa, and Isay for Tampa, now this is not
necessarily for the generalpublic, but they used to have
the rally that you could campat, then they did electrical.
They messed it up so many yearsin a row, they'd stopped doing
it last year.
Um, you could walk back andforth to your rig.

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So if you want to go back toyour rig and have lunch, you
could do that.

SPEAKER_04 (10:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (10:19):
Um, and then for us, we were lucky enough to work
with some of our vendors andsponsors of the channel and and
the and the podcast would kindof connect us and get us what's
called a vendor site.
Right.
Well, that drastically changedlast year at Tampa.
So that's I'm not gonna say notan option, but it's a very
unlikely option for those of usthere.
And the rally's gone.

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So now everybody has to almosteverybody has to stay off site.
So it's a very small proportionthat can stay on site.

SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
So yeah, that's well, now that you've sold it as
being crowded and kind of a apain to get to, why would
somebody want to go to a giantcrowded show?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (10:56):
No, I'm just kidding.
Um, honestly, to see the RVsfirst, like this is where a lot
of the main brands unveil andlaunch all their 2026 products
next year.
So in this case, 2026.
So if you're listening to thisnext year, 2027 or 2028,
hopefully this goes on and onand on forever.
But yeah, so for that scenario,it's a lot of the manufacturers

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do unveilings, that kind ofstuff.
Um, it's kind of the kickoff toshow season.

SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (11:24):
So I always say it's at least in what we do for the
podcast, specifically there'sshow season and camping season.

unknown (11:29):
True.

SPEAKER_05 (11:30):
We're on the backside of camping season um
and the front side of showseason.
So it's just if you're not inone, you're in the other.

SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Well, and from our perspective, I think that you
you miss a lot when you justlook online.
So this is nice to be able toput your hands on some of these.

SPEAKER_05 (11:44):
That's what I was gonna say.
Like, I know at one point wetalked about like what's the big
difference in the first fewminutes when you walk in.
It's like, well, tangibly beingable to touch it.
Like when we were buying ourfirst RV, we were very clear,
like, I'm not buying it online.
We've bought every other rigthat way.
But now we have a realisticexpectation of what things
really kind of feel like in anRV.
The first time, no, I I I'mtactile.

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I want to touch and feel it andsee what I'm getting myself into
space-wise.
See how big the TV is.

SPEAKER_01 (12:13):
Even though you'll replace it anyways.

SPEAKER_05 (12:16):
I just want to know what size I'm replacing it with.
That's all.

SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Oh, good to know.
All right.
So now that you are into the RVshow, and we you said that this
is where people launch a lot ofthings.

SPEAKER_05 (12:28):
I'm assuming I've come out of the fetal position
in the corner at this point.

SPEAKER_01 (12:32):
I'm assuming that you made it finally into the
show, you know, after that lineyou talked about.
So uh tell me about some of thelaunches you got to see and like
what lived up to the hype.

SPEAKER_05 (12:41):
So as far as like launches, I mean, there were
there's a lot.
And I will tell you, we Iunfortunately got to only spend
two days there.
Um and full disclaimer, therewas a video.
There was actually very manyvideos.
Our hard drive, rest in peace.

SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
Q sad, sad music.

SPEAKER_05 (12:58):
Our hard drive got corrupted somehow, and I spent
what three days?
Um, three days constantly tryingto recover them, work with you
know, ridiculous companies totry and help recover them.
And I thought I did, then Ididn't.
It was a very much so highs andlows.

SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
But so I still have not seen the Hershey RV show
because the footage you have, Ihaven't seen.

SPEAKER_05 (13:19):
No, because I didn't send you any pictures.
I took I did everything on mycamera.
And that camera, yeah.
The camera's great.
It's the one you're watching uson.
The SD card, great.
The hard drive, put everythingon, bad.

SPEAKER_04 (13:29):
Poo-poo.

SPEAKER_05 (13:29):
Screw you, sand disc.
Um, anyway, so as far as likebig things, I saw, and again,
I'm probably gonna miss a fewthings here and there just
because I it's impossible to seeeverything in two days.
I'd argue it's impossible to seeeverything the entire show.

SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
I agree.

SPEAKER_05 (13:42):
Um, it's a lot, but the things that stand out for me
as my notes close, um, so Tiffinhad a new Allegro Bus or Allegro
bus floor plan.

SPEAKER_01 (13:56):
There goes our Tiffin sponsorship.

unknown (13:58):
Just kidding.

SPEAKER_05 (13:59):
Um Allegro bus floor plan, the 36 AP.

SPEAKER_02 (14:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (14:03):
It's under 38 feet total.

SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (14:05):
It's by far the shortest bus.
That this other short, the nextshortest bus was 42 feet in
change.

SPEAKER_02 (14:10):
Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (14:11):
And so now they're under there was, I think it was
37 feet eight inches or nineinches or something like that.
So, I mean, obviously without atote or anything else, but I've
always said there's a market forsmaller, nice things.

SPEAKER_00 (14:23):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (14:24):
Uh we fall into that category.
We do.
Now, especially now that we'renot full timers, we don't need a
like if we were gonna go to themotorhome side, yeah, we don't
necessarily have to have a45-foot tag axle bus.
Right.
I said have to have, not that wedon't want.
Um, but you know, to havesomething that's a nice higher
quality, but also shorter, soyou can start to fit into um

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some national and state park,still long, don't get me wrong.
I mean, like I think I feel liketo have a really fighting chance
at any of that stuff, you reallyneed to bring it much closer to
30 feet.
Um, and and Tiffin is very muchso.
They also have um the opentrail, I think was the name of
it.
It's their new Class B kind oflike off-road y thing.
Um, I didn't list it as one ofthe things for me because um no

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thanks on the van.
I love you.

SPEAKER_01 (15:12):
Um We we actually did kind of try that, and so
we're not just speaking fromlack of the stuff.
I thought about trying that.
We wouldn't try that.
We sat in it and we said, Oh,never mind.

SPEAKER_05 (15:22):
Sitting in it was enough.
I did I didn't need toexperience a week camping in it
to know that that was a mistake.

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (15:27):
Um, and so there's that.
Um I I would be remiss if Ididn't bring up Alliance.
So they have, I think, thecoolest new fifth-wheel floor
plan out there, non-toy hauler.
Okay, and so that was theparadigm 388 SP.
What does SP stand for, Ryan?
Side patio.

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Um, and I it took me a long timeto remember the 388 portion of
that.
But the SP, the side patio, it'snot just your typical drop-down
side patio.
I'm actually, I love the idea ofit, but I hate the execution.
Every rig, no matter what, theValor Toy Hauler line has a side
patio, they leak.

SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Well, and there's so there are multiple manufacturers
that have side patios.
Aren't they all toy haulers sofar?

SPEAKER_05 (16:09):
No, there's a few others that so Grand Design also
has one now that's a solitudeline.
Um, it's new this year, but whatI'm talking about is the
traditional toy hauler back endstyle patio that comes down.
Uh, I gotcha.
Alliance one-uped it.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (16:25):
So they have a new mechanical, power-driven side
wall side patio that comes downfrom Lippert that's really cool.
Not as big, which I'm actuallyokay with.

SPEAKER_04 (16:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (16:35):
Because sometimes those Toy Hauler-esque ones get
so big you can't put them down.
Um that's something that Haroldand Cindy Strain, One Strange
Adventure, they run into thatoccasionally because they have a
side patio momentum from GrandDesign.
And there's occasionally whereit's like if it's a tighter
rally situation, no go.
Or there's a pedestal orwhatever, whatever blocks,

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slides coming out, that kind ofstuff.
Um, they said that they can putit down probably about 60 to 70
percent of the time.
The rest of the time, it doesn'tmatter if they want to or not,
it's not gonna happen, kind of athing.
So um, but this one being alittle bit smaller, I feel like
it the footprint of itintentionally doesn't go further
out than the slides.

SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (17:13):
So there's a slide on that side um for the main
living, which is in the rear ofthe coach, and it goes out right
at maybe if it goes out further,it's we're talking an inch or
two, not a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Look at that logic coming into play.

SPEAKER_05 (17:24):
And it's got a drop-down TV from the inside,
and it's got pass-through forthe kitchen, so you can lower
windows.
It's a really cool design.
Okay, and then on top of that,most of those side patios,
what's the one thing you losewith them if the slide if it's
up?

SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
The window, the light.

SPEAKER_05 (17:39):
The windows, the lights, you don't on this one.
So if the patio's in the upposition, you just have a
window.

SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (17:46):
And so you still get like if you don't want to put it
down, or maybe you're justovernight somewhere real fast,
where it's like, we're not gonnaput this down, obviously.
Um, you can then from thereutilize it as just natural
light, an open window.
So it doesn't feel like a caveif you happen to have that down.
So it's it's a really cool now.
It's a new product from Lippert,so grain of salt.

SPEAKER_00 (18:04):
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (18:05):
Um, I will say though, this one, spoiler for
something we're gonna talk aboutlater, if we were looking at
RVs, if we were looking at fifthwheels, I'd this would be at the
top of the list for me.

SPEAKER_02 (18:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (18:16):
If I if I was going tall.
So um, last but not least, asfar as things that kind of stood
out as I lost my notes, um, ifwe were gonna go with something
that we're kind of currently in,um then Brinkley, yeah, their
model I, which is theirlightweight um travel trailer,
came out with the model I Xline.

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Okay, not confusing at all.

SPEAKER_01 (18:40):
Not at all.

SPEAKER_05 (18:40):
Um, if you look at the branding, it says model I,
and then beneath it it says Xseries or X line or whatever it
is.
So it's their extremelightweight.
So it is a true three-quarterton towable.

SPEAKER_00 (18:50):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 (18:51):
But how they achieve things, you obviously lose
things in translation.

SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Three quarter ton or half ton?

SPEAKER_05 (18:56):
Half ton, sorry, half ton.
Okay.
Glad you got that.
And so you lose things intranslation going down to that
size and weight class and allthat stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (19:05):
But they didn't, they did Brinkley's Brinkley.
They they didn't, I don't feellike they skimped on anything.
Awesome.
You lose things like you'regonna have the curtain for a
door in the bedroom instead ofthe wall because the wall weighs
something.
Sure.
Um, but the how they did it, andI would argue that our floor
plan of our so we have a 252 RLDelta from Alliance was the best

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of that smaller RV.
I it's not quite half-tontowable, it's maybe on the far
upper side of that, but it'sreally three quarter ton or up
kind of a thing.
You this was probably as good ofa floor plan if you were gonna
go very different than what wehad.

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And it still had all of thesizing and everything that I
would ask for as far as likeshower size, ability to sit down
on the toilet, um, that kind ofthing.
So it was it was cool, and itwas done in Brinkley's typical
Brinkley fashion whereeverything's pretty and fancy
and shiny.

SPEAKER_01 (20:05):
So then what missed the mark?
There's always a lot of hype,there's always a lot of new.
What missed?

SPEAKER_05 (20:12):
I I feel bad talking ill.

SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Okay, then we can move on.

SPEAKER_05 (20:18):
And and I don't know, I don't I I say this,
there's there's one very hypedup, and there's it's getting a
lot of praise, and I have praisefor it as well, but to me it was
a miss.
And I say that in terms of this,and this has nothing to reflect
on the channel that put ittogether, but the Grand Design
Solitude 414 LJMJ, and I'm I'mgonna couple this with they

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decided to do a toy haulerversion as well, not less junk
grand design.
It's it's great, they didn'tmake the RV, they just came up
with some design features forthem that they really liked and
then helped execute that.
Um, and maybe their personal righas some changes that alleviate
some of the things I'm gonnatalk about, but it so if you

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don't have kids, it makes zerosense.

SPEAKER_02 (21:04):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (21:05):
And I I've always felt like if you have kids, like
grandkids, we'll use thegrandkid analogy.
Like, I want a rig that'sfunctional for two people or
four if I brought the grandkidsalong, but mostly us.

SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (21:17):
This is not that rig.

SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (21:19):
Because you lose so much space that's dedicated to
their space, to their area.
So on the toy hauler version,this is where the toy hauler
space would be, which is a verystandard toy hauler space.
On the solitude version, it'swhere the bunkhouse would be.

SPEAKER_00 (21:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (21:32):
But it's 10 feet of space.

SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Good.

SPEAKER_05 (21:34):
11 feet, something like that of space.
And so, and it's an elevated,kind of like our 390 was.
I hesitate on just because ofour experience.
Um maybe it's gotten better.
Um, but you go up and it it's acool area if you have if you're
full-timing and have kids, butis that a big enough
demographic?

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And and uh full-timing withkids.
Full timing is keep in mind, Idid a poll in the community tab
on YouTube, which we will dothem here on this channel as
well.
We do them on that Miller'sMotion.
I was just curious if the peoplethat follow us, how many were
full-time versus part-time?
Um, so we had 18% say full-time.
Okay, and then the restobviously part-time.

SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (22:18):
There were 490 votes.

SPEAKER_02 (22:20):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 (22:21):
It's not like it was 12 people.
And so I thought that was kindof crazy.
Like, even though on YouTube itseems like everybody's a
full-timer, it that's not areflection of the industry.

SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Okay.
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (22:31):
That's just a reflection of YouTube in the
creator side.
So the only other thing that Iwould say, and this is a common
theme for Grand Design acrossthe board, is the cargo carrying
capacity of that RV.
I did not look at it for the toyhauler, so I'm only speaking to
the solitude right now.
Um, the way that it was stockedthere, because I went and found

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the sticker, was, and I'm goingto be generous and say just
under 2,000 pounds.

SPEAKER_01 (22:58):
This was the thorn in our side for our solitude as
well.

SPEAKER_05 (23:00):
I'm I'm pretty sure I didn't remember it off the top
of my head, but I'm pretty sureit was 1,800 and change.
Okay.
So water by itself, what is it,3.2 gallons or 3.2 pounds a
gallon, something like that.
And it's got a 55 gallonfreshwater tank.
So if you put water in there,you're done.
You're not done.
But you're really close to done.

SPEAKER_01 (23:21):
Well, and ultimately, like you said, if
you are full-time with kids, soyou're talking at least four
people in this rig with theirfull-time accoutrement.
So like that's a lot.

SPEAKER_05 (23:31):
You you and me have a term that we use very
spillingly across multipleforms, and then that math
doesn't math.

SPEAKER_01 (23:36):
That's true.

SPEAKER_05 (23:37):
And we say that in terms of like sometimes it's
actually math.
Sometimes it's like a financialdecision, and it's just that's
our term for something doesn'tmake sense here.
Like it's not adding up.
Yeah, and and for me, the cargoversus the intent and all that
stuff, that math doesn't math.
Now, I'll also say too, it hasit has a side patio, which is
great and cool, but it's the toyhauler side.

SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Oh, gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 (23:59):
So as soon as you put it up, you lose the light.
Now, and this was, I know inwatching some of their videos,
Marissa said that and they addeda window above it.
So you still do get light.

SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
Okay, that was good.

SPEAKER_05 (24:09):
Um, but again, the floor plan, the feel, it felt
very modular.
And I think when you compare itto like the paradigm side patio
that I liked, that felt open.
And so I think utilization ofspace cross board, but there was
no bunks in the side patio forthe alliance.
And so I just feel like thedemographic as the from the RV
industry as a whole is such asmall window.

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And and maybe they'll sell a tonof them.
And everybody that's got, youknow, the other thing, too, is
you got one kid, it's massiveoverkill for that one kid.
You got three, makes completesense.
Two, 50-50 on where you valuespace.

SPEAKER_00 (24:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (24:43):
So that that would I say my miss of the things I
found.
There was more, don't get mewrong.
There's always the chintzystuff, there's always the stuff
where you go, how was that costthat much?
Right.
Everybody's got a miss.
Alliance has a miss.

SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
That's true.

SPEAKER_05 (24:56):
Um, that was just the biggest one I saw.
The most evident, like thisseems off.
Now, that being said, does ISfix that problem with the cargo
carrying capacity?
Your frame doesn't change, fullFYI.
An IS weighs like 800 poundsmore than a traditional
suspension system.
So hypothetically, you actuallygo down in your cargo, but

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you're not going to bend youraxles.
That's the disconnect there.
And so, you know, but are theremodifications that can be done
from factory that up thatnumber?
Are there things?
Should it be a triple axle coachand not a double axle coach?

SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (25:30):
Probably.
But again, that still doesn'tchange the frame.
And then we get into the wholegrand design frame conversation.
We all know how I feel.
We're not going down that road.

SPEAKER_01 (25:38):
We are not going down that road.

SPEAKER_05 (25:40):
And it it just, it just the red flags are
concerning.
That's all.

SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
Let's go down a happier road.
How about that?
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (25:45):
We're gonna talk about food.

SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Uh well, that's coming.

SPEAKER_05 (25:48):
But oh, is it really?

SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
I know my husband, and I know that while we look at
the towables, that is not whereyour heart lies.
Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (25:58):
I I love Alliance, I promise I do.
Because I have to.
So tell me what you because Ithat can't be wrong.
But I love them because I wantto, but let's be honest, who
doesn't want a big shiny tagaxle motorhome?

SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
So tell me what you found in drivable land.

SPEAKER_05 (26:15):
So, okay, hang on.
You're gonna have to define thata little bit better for me
because I found a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (26:20):
You're gonna have to whittle that down a little bit
as far as like actual travellike life, you know what I mean?
No.
No, okay for us?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (26:34):
So like something that if we were looking for a
motorhome today that fits ourcriteria?

SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
Maybe something that yes, and maybe something that
surprised you or not just newand shiny, but functional.
You're like, hmm, actually, Ireally kind of like this.

SPEAKER_05 (26:48):
For life now, not in 20 years, kind of a thing.
Not don't go for the what is it,the Tiffin Zephyr?
Yeah, 1.2 million kind of adeal.
Pretty.
Um, I'm pretty sure things breakon it just the same though.
So I there's there's two, andand as much as I dislike kind of
the the route grand design'sgone over the past couple of

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years and frustrations withthem.

SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (27:11):
And this does not mean I would buy it, but they
have that.
Uh I don't even remember thename of it because I didn't
write it down.
Um, but they have the the theycall it a super C.
It's really just a classy on aFord chassis.

SPEAKER_03 (27:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (27:25):
Um, it was done really well.

SPEAKER_03 (27:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (27:26):
I mean, the layout's amazing, everything's very
functional.
It made sense.
I didn't like the dark wallsinside of it.
It felt a little small.

SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (27:34):
Um, that was really good.
Does grand design scare me?
Absolutely.
But it's not a towable either,so I don't know.
But that's one of those they'regonna have to prove otherwise.
For me, and again, we're in thatland of we're not in it for very
long, right?
Week to 10 days max.
We're gonna test that in Floridabecause I'm gonna be in it for
like three weeks.

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And you're gonna come down for aweek of it.
But that's also just me, nodogs, so I'm sure it's be fine.
Um that would most support whatwe're actively doing now and
probably for the next five toten years.
The Dynamax I saw the five, andI'm gonna put a caveat maybe
six.

SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (28:12):
So the difference it's it's gonna be their class C
line, but the five is a moreoff-road capable, little smaller
class C.
The the six is the bigger on theFord chassis.
Um it's typically the larger ofthe two, the box is bigger, the

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the stance is wider, all thosethings.
If you're looking to get thecomparison, um, our friends
Chris and Aaron over at IreneIron Travels just did the Isada
six.

SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (28:42):
Um, and so far, at least the last time I talked to
them, they love it.
That was a few months ago, thatcould have changed.
Um, I don't know.
Um, but the reason why the Isada5 stood out to me, the only
thing I disliked it was on theRam chassis and not the Ford
chassis.

SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (28:56):
And I say that it's gonna be like the F6500, it's
the 6600 in the Ram chassis, andthat's tomatoes, tomatoes.
It it it I prefer it, but itdoesn't bother me if that makes
sense.
Um, but it's the right, like thesize, it was like 33 feet or
something like that, at leastthe one I was looking at.
And just the shape of it, if wedecided to take it out

(29:17):
somewhere, we could almost useit as a daily driver.
And in my head, not like everyday, all the time, but like we
wouldn't need a toad.

SPEAKER_02 (29:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (29:24):
I feel like as long as we're not going like downtown
somewhere, and even then, Uber,um I would be perfectly fine
taking it to Walmart, perfectlyfine taking it into national
parks and parking them.
And as long as there's RVparking or oversized parking of
any kind, okay, I wouldn't thinktwice about it.
Um, some of the things that Iliked on now I will say there's
two versions there's the exploreand non explore.
They almost do the exploreexclusive now.

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That's the one that's going tohave the larger mud tires on it,
the the higher end, it does useliquid spring for the shocks.

SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (29:53):
So very top end on that side of things.
But it doesn't have as top endof a price.

unknown (29:58):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (29:59):
Like a lot of those.
Style of RVs, you're thinkingEarth Roamer.

SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (30:03):
Um, the the the the hilt from Storyteller.
Okay.
The cheap ones are six, sevenhundred thousand, and this one
falls in the high ones, low twossomewhere in that ballpark.

SPEAKER_01 (30:13):
Big difference.

SPEAKER_05 (30:14):
Yeah, I'm saying that sale price.
MSRP is probably like 250, 275somewhere in there.
Um and I am guessing a littlebit, verify information before
you go running around lookingfor stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
Um Ryan said it was only$100,000.

SPEAKER_05 (30:25):
Right.
But I think the thing I likedabout it is like it really like
Liquid Springs has this, theycall it earth leveling.

SPEAKER_01 (30:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (30:32):
There's no leveling jacks on this thing.

SPEAKER_01 (30:34):
Oh, really?
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (30:34):
Because there's such an extension, you can lower the
entire coach, raise the entirecoach using, I think they said
seven or eight inches.
Again, off-road capability.
If you're on the highway, lowerthat thing down, you get better
fuel economy.
If you're trying to clearsomething, nope, raise her up.
It's gonna stiffen yoursuspension, so you have to be
aware of that.
But they use that seven or eightinches of play to raise and

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lower the coach on all fourcorners.

SPEAKER_02 (30:57):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (30:58):
And so your leveling system isn't a jack system that
you're used to.
Your tires are never gonna comeoff the ground because they're
never gonna change their angle.

SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
I gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 (31:06):
And so it uses the coach itself to level it to the
ground right there.

SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
And that is one of your pet peeves, so that fixes
that.

SPEAKER_05 (31:13):
It does fix that.
Um, I think the other thing,too, that was kind of
interesting about the wholething was like I I've in my
head, if I could go on like aweek-long call to walkabout.
We're gonna go with ourAustralian side of here.

SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
Excellent.

SPEAKER_05 (31:32):
No, but like I if I was gonna do the show my way, I
would have driven something likethis to the show.
No tow car, no anything.
I would have rationed foreverything, maybe only eaten out
once or twice.
I would not have stopped atLove's on the way up.
I would have just foundsomewhere like I probably
cracker barrel, let's be honest.
I would have pulled in, I wouldhave slept, I would have eaten,

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I would have gotten back on theroad.

SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
Gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 (31:54):
Even for the show, I would have driven it to the
show.
I'd have gone into the show.
For lunch, I probably would havegone back and had lunch at the
rig, sit down for a second, goback into the show, and then
just move on.
I'd either dry camp with it, um,maybe expand the batteries, but
it's already got inverters onit, it's already got all those
things.
Again, not like amazinglypowered stuff.
It's not like what we had on ourValor as far as like extensive,

(32:17):
but it is the interesting thingabout it though, is that it is
still got a generator, quietdiesel generator, it's an
all-electric coach.
I just kicked the camera.
Um wasn't just an earthquake.
Yeah.
We're in Texas, what'shappening?
Fracking.
Um and so it it's it's justintriguing.
Like, I was I think I broughtthis up when we were in the

(32:38):
smokies.
I was like, what would be fun isto come up here or like a
national park in general, andjust boondock on the way up
because you can.
Um just stay at a crackerbarrel, go into the park, do
your things, drive it over here,and then just find somewhere
else to park for the nightthat's safe and obviously
relevant.
I mean, every once in a whileyou're gonna obviously have to
do an RV park, but minimize it.
Like that's I would love to beable to do that more.

SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (32:59):
Um, the thing about our travel trailer now is we are
very much so tied to a pedestal.

SPEAKER_01 (33:03):
Yeah, we are.

SPEAKER_05 (33:04):
And I don't love it.
Yeah, it's annoying me more andmore.

SPEAKER_01 (33:07):
So all right.
So moving away from the rigs,the RVs themselves.

SPEAKER_05 (33:12):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
Tell me about some of like the the tech, the
systems.
Have things come a long way?
Have they changed things?
What'd you notice?

SPEAKER_05 (33:21):
Um, as I readjust here, real quick.

SPEAKER_01 (33:23):
It's your show, do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_05 (33:24):
I'm slang, it's yours too, Missy.
It's sliding in my chair.
Um so I will say, like, I thinkmotorhomes have been pretty
advanced in that department.
So, no, not really.
I mean, it's getting better.
Like, there's new slidemechanisms coming out, which is
really cool.
I'm gonna throw this in therebecause we all know.
Well, I say we all know, you andI are very aware of how much we

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don't really love TwinTechs.
And cables are like, I like thembetter, but it's like picking
which side of your face you wantto be whacked in.
It's not like there's I don'tfeel like there's a great
option.
There's just one that's a littlelike which headache do you want?

SPEAKER_00 (34:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (34:00):
Kind of a thing.

SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (34:01):
Shark pain or dull pain.
And so um lippert, I know,lippert.
Um, so they are the ones thatdid the Schwintech, but they
came out with a new slidesystem.
If you've ever seen, they didn'tmake Vroom, but it's like Vroom.
So it's actually a rail thatsticks out, and then there's
cogs on both sides of it versusjust one.
You can stop and start it alongthe track.
You don't, it's just it'ssynchronized much better.

(34:23):
Okay.
It's a much more sturdy, it'sonly been out for six months.
You're seeing some late, late,late 25s have it, and quite a
few 26s have it.

SPEAKER_02 (34:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (34:32):
Um, I don't believe Alliance is utilizing it now,
but I know that they're lookingat it.
Um, Alliance has a little bit ofa different, this is a great
idea.
Let's do it.
They don't, they actually likewill put it on a few test
coaches and actually put itthrough its rigors before they
agree to put it onproduction-lined coaches.
Okay.
So I that think I don't know ifthey've actually put one on yet
or not, but I know they'retalking about it.
So that was interesting.

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Um, there are a few of thehigher-end um RV manufacturers,
brinkley, um, and the towableside that are utilizing more
forward-facing um motorhomefeatures now.
So Brinkley is moving away fromLCI one controls, okay, which

(35:14):
has then been the bread andbutter in the industry for a
long time.

SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (35:17):
Either did manual or LCI.
So, like Alliance does manual.
Um, they are using the Fireflysystem now.

SPEAKER_01 (35:23):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 (35:24):
Which is a very motorhome thing.
Yeah.
That's if you ever see thescreen with all the information
on it in a motorhome, that'swhat that is.
Um, there's a couple versions ofit out there.
Not they're not all Firefly,that's just happens to be what
Brinkley's using.
Um, and then Brinkley, even fromthat standpoint, their standard
now comes with a multi-plusinverter on it.

SPEAKER_02 (35:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (35:42):
And I say a multiplus, a Victron component.
Like solar systems, I that's noteven the correct term.
Solar upgrades from themanufacturer were like, if you
got a lithium battery, it was abig day.

SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (35:53):
And like a 200-watt um uh panel up on the roof.
The charge controllers were,let's be honest, it's what was
cheapest.

SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
Sure.

SPEAKER_05 (36:02):
And I think that they're realizing now that
they're breaking a lot becausethey're just not built the right
way.
Victron is, in my opinion, theleader in that industry.
I think there's a lot that arecatching up fast.
But Victron's still out infront.
That's all the blue solarequipment you see floating
around there.
It's we've had both theirsystems exclusively.

SPEAKER_01 (36:18):
And we had really good, I would say, experiences.

SPEAKER_05 (36:21):
Yeah, you do have to know it a little bit because you
still have to know your limitsand all that.
But other than that, like theymake it's as user-friendly and
easy as you're gonna makesomething like that, at least to
this point.

SPEAKER_04 (36:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (36:32):
Um, they are putting what they call their standard
solar system, which is onemulti-plus, which is a 3,000
watt inverter, um, and 400 amphours of no, I was wrong.
Sorry.
Whatever two of the gamechangers are from Battleborne.
I think they're around three,like 280 amp.

SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
I think they're almost 300 each.

SPEAKER_05 (36:49):
I'm gonna say it's somewhere around 600 amp hours.

SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
Right, just on standard.

SPEAKER_05 (36:54):
And then they have their upgraded version, which
they put two multi-pluses in.
So you both lines get a 3,000watt.
Um, and you can actually run theACs.
So, like the way they have itnow, you still can't run the ACs
on it.

SPEAKER_02 (37:06):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (37:07):
But you can all your other plugs, literally
everything else in the coachworks.
They dummy-proofed it.
So, like if you couldpotentially blow the inverter,
they don't or the fuse or thebreaker for the inverter, they
don't want you to be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
So you couldn't run one AC.

SPEAKER_05 (37:19):
No, well, so if you do a system yourself, you can do
that, but they wired it so thatyou can't overload the line.

SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (37:25):
Whereas like with our systems, because we
installed them, we ran thatrisk, especially on the
solitude.
And we had our smallerinverters, we could overload the
system, which we didoccasionally.

SPEAKER_03 (37:34):
Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_05 (37:34):
We didn't mean to, yeah.
But you have to be very aware ofyour power management.
So that's that's a big, big one,I would say.
I would say so too, yeah.
Um, doing that.
And and I will say Brinkleyalways seems to be kind of the
leader on that front.
I think Alliance, Alliance doesit in a good way, but they're
also very price conscious.
They're not like brinkleys areexpensive.
They are in fact, the the model,I think it's Model M, the toy

(37:56):
hauler, um, that was in it.
The MSRP of that thing was 200.

SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
Oh, it's over 200 now.

SPEAKER_05 (38:02):
And$30,000.

SPEAKER_01 (38:05):
Yikes.

SPEAKER_05 (38:05):
But it was a cool floor plan.
It was that front office onethat I don't I had and now I
don't have video on.
Yeah.

unknown (38:10):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_05 (38:12):
Um, it was actually my favorite new floor plan for
that kind of a like a toyhauler.
But um, but yeah, it's it comeswith a price tag.
And then and I will say we'reobviously omitting a brand right
now, and that is a brand newbrand.
They're called Axiom RV.
Yeah.
I feel like they are alsopushing that line pretty hard,
but they are, when I say brandnew, they are brand spanking

(38:32):
new.
They were not at Hershey.

SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (38:35):
Or if they were, they hid somewhere and I did not
see them.

SPEAKER_02 (38:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (38:37):
So they are doing some pretty cool stuff.
We're hoping to have somethingover them soon for you.

SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
All right.
So then, as far as designs go,like you always get like a feel
for what they're changing,colors they're using, kind of
aesthetics they're going for.
So, what's the design trend yousaw?

SPEAKER_05 (38:53):
I mean, I think it's just a continuation of what
we've seen in 2025.
Is a lot of manufacturers movingtowards lighter residential
style colors, which I like anddislike.
I mean, I think that's you haveto when you start getting into
some of these new design trends,you have to be a little careful
because they are a moreopinion-based thing.

SPEAKER_01 (39:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (39:09):
Like I like the warm feeling of our delta.

SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
I do too.

SPEAKER_05 (39:12):
And I'll be sorry, anybody alliance that's
listening to, especially Joe orJeremiah, but I don't care for
the new Delta interior as much.
It's not bad by any means.
I'd be perfectly happy with it,but it felt, and and I will say
I've only seen one in person andit was one of the protos.
So this may have changed alittle bit, but it did feel a
little sterile almost.

SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (39:31):
And I get it that a lot of people want that lighter
color.
It definitely felt bigger, eventhough we're in the exact same
floor plan, but it it did feel alittle too light.

SPEAKER_03 (39:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (39:40):
In my opinion.
It's kind of like the all-whitekitchen when you also have the
white countertops, the whitebacksplash.
It just feels like you're in asurgical room versus anything.
It feels clean as all get out.
Don't get me wrong, but it's anRV, that's not gonna last.
That's true.

SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
So okay.
So then moving on.
If somebody goes to the show andthey don't have$230,000 to spend
on a toy hauler, they're alittle bit more value conscious
or budget conscious.
Tell them some things you found.

SPEAKER_05 (40:07):
So, I mean, I I would say most of the
entry-level manufacturers,whether you go with what I call
a specialty manufacturer or abroad manufacturer.
So a broad manufacturer would belike Forest River, Thor,
Winnebago.
They got a little bit ofeverything for everybody.
Um, a little bit more specialtywould be like Alliance,
Brinkley, um uh Storyteller,Overlander, those kind of things

(40:28):
where it's more they kind offocus on a particular thing and
stay in that lane.

SPEAKER_03 (40:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (40:32):
And then there's super specialty, which is like
Earth Roamer or even Axiom tothis point.
And so I I from the kind ofentry level, everybody's got
something.
And I'm gonna steal a line fromJosh the RV nerd.
Okay, 1000% because it's right.
Um, at the end of the day, youhave to find what you like.

SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (40:51):
And just just the one thing I would say as far as
like looking more budgetconscious things is have a
budget in your head and stick toit.
Don't because you get there andyou're gonna go, oh, but this
one doesn't have floor vents.
Floor vents are cheaper.

SPEAKER_03 (41:04):
That's true.

SPEAKER_05 (41:05):
They are.
Um, there's design flaws withthem.
They do have to put holes inyour floor, which I'm not a huge
fan of.
I I we don't like them becauseof the pet hair thing.
Sure.
But there are other reasons why.
And there are other thingsyou're gonna skimp, like talking
about firefly systems and allthat stuff.
You ain't getting any of that.
You're gonna get manualswitches.
We've only had manual switchesfor two coaches now.
I don't have a problem withthem.

SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
I don't have a problem with them at all.

SPEAKER_05 (41:27):
And so I do think looking budget conscious, I
still think Alliance rules thatarea from the tollable side.
Okay.
I think you get the most bangfor your buck.

SPEAKER_01 (41:35):
I think you get more quality for the buck in some
corners of that too.

SPEAKER_05 (41:39):
The bonus stuff you get is the community, the
customer service, the theyreally do try to do the right
thing, barring you breaking therig.
Um, not intentionallynecessarily, but believe it or
not, your car, like if you wantto, if you have a warranty
claim, it doesn't matter to themanufacturer, and it's a
potential weight issue, youbetter have cat scale.
I I've been asked for them.

SPEAKER_04 (41:56):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (41:57):
And so we like we weigh our rig about, well, now
that we're part-time about everysix months, um, we used to weigh
it every quarter no matter what.
Yeah.
And that way, if anybody cameback and said, Oh, this is an
evidence of over of beingoverweight, no, it's not.
Because I'm not.
Here's my stuff.
So anyway, that's that's my twocents on that.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
If somebody at the show was actually looking to
buy, do you have anysuggestions, recommendations on
like pricing, negotiation, thatsort of thing?

SPEAKER_05 (42:23):
No, I think I think now is actually, and I say now,
like over the last five yearslooking at industry trends,
okay, slash listening to Josh'slittle industry thing he does
once a quarter.
Um, you know, the the marketright now is being carried by
travel trailers and a little bitof fifth wheels.

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (42:42):
So if you are looking for motorhomes, go get
you something.
Assuming you can afford it.
Right.
Because, you know, I I do saythere's a little bit of a
disconnect.
Maybe it might be next yearwhere the optimal time for that
kind of stuff is.
But like the sales numbers for2025 on motorhomes is just in
the tanker.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
Uh, still okay.

SPEAKER_05 (43:03):
Well, it's it's it's the most expensive thing.
Rigs have gotten more and moreexpensive.
They have.
I would argue, especially on themotorhome side, they've kind of
reached that line that they'veoutrun the market now.

SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (43:13):
And so, like, like the Tiffin Zephyr is a great
example.
I pray that they only made fiveof those this year.
I because I don't know.
I mean, the person looking atthe Tiffin Zephyr wants, doesn't
want a previous for some reason.
But it's the same or a new,because it's in it's in that
category.
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (43:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (43:29):
And so it's and so, but why would you take a more
mass-produced coach, even ifthat one's not and it's not
mass-produced, they build themone off.
But why would you go down thatroad knowing they're going to
use mass-produced parts versuslike a new?
You may spend a hundred grandmore, which at that point, let's
be honest.
That's like building a house andthen going, well, if you upgrade

(43:49):
to this cabinetry, it's a lotbetter and it's only a few
thousand bucks.
Do it at this point.
It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 (43:54):
Pennies in that budget.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (43:56):
And so, you know, looking side to side, like, why
would you not do the new overthat unless you just really
don't like anything they have tooffer design-wise?
Again, these are all one-offbuilds.
We're not talking aboutproducing production line
anything.
And so, you know, from thatstandpoint, yeah, you can get
some deals.
Unfortunately, travel trailersand I'm gonna say lightweight

(44:16):
fifth wheels are carrying themarket, so they are you're they
are what they are.
Okay.
Um, as far as like pricingstrategies and all that stuff,
I've always gone with thementality of expect to get
between 18 and 22% off.
I feel like the theory behindshows hasn't changed.
So if you're going into I getasked this question a lot,
should I buy it a show or shouldI just go buy from a local

(44:37):
dealer?
Well, at the end of the day, getthe best price you can get, buy
it there.
Now, you sometimes you have tobe at shows, but I will tell
you, you can leverage shows toget a better deal.
Absolutely.
And you should.
And that's exactly what we did.
We went to the Tampa showlooking for our first coach.
We bought it from a dealer herein Texas and leveraged the show
price to do that.

SPEAKER_01 (44:56):
And we were literally sitting in the Tampa
show talking to the dealer inTexas.

SPEAKER_05 (45:00):
You know, um uh uh Jesse from Finding Our Someday
still says that that's one ofthe more interesting stories
she's ever heard.
Um I ran into him up there for abrief second, and she's like,
You guys were sitting on thecurb because they just this them
and finding our not finding oursomeday and um less junk were

(45:20):
doing a meetup and it was rightwhere we were having a
conversation.
It kind of just appeared aroundus, and we were literally
sitting on the curb negotiatingour coach back in Texas with it,
and I'm literally giving mycredit card, and then there's
the lines of people startshowing up, and so we met them
and sure told them the story,and they're like, that's that's
how they remember us.
So um, yeah.
But I I would say at the showyou can expect to kind of not

(45:41):
have to haggle as bad.
Haggle, don't, don't not haggle,still, still, still, you know,
put put them to the grind.

SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
The answer's no if you never ask.

SPEAKER_05 (45:50):
Yeah, it's always no if you never ask.
Uh, I can tell you, push theline with Jeremiah.
He and he's no, I'm justkidding, don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
Don't do that.

SPEAKER_05 (45:57):
Don't honestly, you're not gonna negotiate with
Jeremiah, he's there for dealersupport.
Um, and if he hears that, I'msorry, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 (46:04):
Um, but trying to stick up for you.

SPEAKER_05 (46:06):
I will say that you're probably gonna get at the
minimum the 18% when you're andthis is all off MSRP, um, 18%
off.
So when you see a show price,it's pretty discounted compared
to what they would list it onthe lot for.

SPEAKER_03 (46:21):
True.

SPEAKER_05 (46:21):
Remember, everything is based off of MSRP.
So when you do that, when you gointo a dealership, and if you
don't like if your final deallands at like say 8%, maybe you
step back and look at it again.
Or go talk to a differentdealership, shop around, that
kind of a thing.
If you land at 25%, write thecheck and run.

SPEAKER_01 (46:42):
All right.
I'm gonna put a little caveatthere.
I don't like to be rushed.
And so if anybody ever says, ifyou get up, you know, we're
done, it's no deal, then thenthat's fine.
That's kind of my sign.

SPEAKER_05 (46:52):
That actually for us is a this is a one-time offer
right now.
Like, I'm out.

SPEAKER_01 (46:56):
Then I'm out.
Unless I can go think about it,maybe even sleep on it.

SPEAKER_05 (47:00):
I I want you to work for my affection.
He's a little high maintenancelike that.
Very high maintenance.

SPEAKER_01 (47:06):
Moving on.
All right, let's go quick picks.
All right.
I know it's gonna take a lot foryou to keep it kind of short,
but can you rapid fire like bestcouples trailer?

SPEAKER_05 (47:16):
The Alliance 388 SP.

SPEAKER_01 (47:18):
Okay.
Do you have a reasonparticularly?

SPEAKER_05 (47:21):
It's just a cool floor plan.
I think, I mean, it if you haveextra people sleeping, it's
gonna be an absolute pain.

SPEAKER_01 (47:26):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (47:26):
It's two people sleeping, but you could do 12
for dinner.

SPEAKER_01 (47:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (47:29):
And even more for cocktails if they don't mind
standing outside.

SPEAKER_01 (47:32):
This is not foreshadowing, just so you all
know.
I don't think we're actuallygetting an SP.
So we're not.
But anyways, all right.
I'm working on that.
I saw it.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh family trailers.
Uh okay.

SPEAKER_05 (47:44):
So this counterdicts what I said earlier, but I would
actually say if it's a truefamily, the Solitude 414 L J MJ.

SPEAKER_01 (47:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (47:52):
Uh I you just have to be okay with the caveats.

SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
Okay.
And that's mainly directed atfull timers, you said.

SPEAKER_05 (47:58):
I think it is, but at the same time, too, if you
have a large family and you'renot full-timing, the cargo
carrying capacity might not beas big of a deal.

SPEAKER_04 (48:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (48:05):
So it may be a better fit for that, just from
the what the rig can do, likerealistically without breaking,
kind of a thing.
So and I know it'scontradictory, but it's a good
rig.
I just I had to pick a bad I hadto pick my least favorite and
kind of annoying.
And it has some quirks.
That's why I ended up in thatcategory.
Doesn't mean I don't like it.

SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
No, and we'll see.
It's not for us, but we'll seeonce it hits the road and gets
used, you know, kind of how thatshakes out, just like our 390
did.

SPEAKER_05 (48:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:30):
Um, all right.
Boondock ready, like out of thegates.

SPEAKER_05 (48:34):
So I don't I'm gonna take motorhomes out of this just
because I talked the Isada 5.
We should go get one.
Um, I'm not hi, Isada.

SPEAKER_01 (48:42):
Can we have a spot?

SPEAKER_05 (48:42):
I'm actually gonna say the um Forest River, we love
you.
Um, just kidding, Alliance.
Um so you're here for theinformation, stuck with the
jokes.
Um, I would say the Keystonewalkabout.

SPEAKER_02 (48:56):
It's a walkabout.

SPEAKER_05 (48:58):
It's a travel trailer.
Now I will say it's got somecaveats.

SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (49:02):
Um, I do think from a trailer perspective, you don't
see as many travel trailerboondock ready.

SPEAKER_00 (49:07):
True.

SPEAKER_05 (49:07):
You see vans, you see adventure trucks, you see
that kind of stuff.
You see Ryan whacking his micfor the fourth time.
Um, you see a lot of that kindof stuff, but trailer-wise, you
don't see very much.
And so that's why I picked this.
It's it's it's it's interesting.
Um, I don't know if I like it ordislike it.
There's definitely some things Ididn't like about it that just
somehow magically went away.

SPEAKER_04 (49:27):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (49:27):
Um it's so one of the biggest things I would say
to be a little careful of is itactually has a skylight in the
slide.

SPEAKER_01 (49:39):
In the slide.
In the slide.
I was trying to see what slidewas saloon.
Um in the slide.
That's goofy.

SPEAKER_05 (49:48):
So it's a window.
It's it's just it's a window upthere.
It doesn't open.
Um but the first thing I thoughtof, well, there's two things
that popped in my head because Iwas sitting there looking at
this, and the the reps were allaround me.
I was trying to be quiet.
I was not filming because Ididn't know what I was looking
at still.
And I was like, okay, summer inTexas.

SPEAKER_02 (50:08):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (50:08):
It's like slide walls are already very hot
because they're not as insulatedas the regular walls.
So heat comes in through those alot more.
Yep.
It's like, so now you just addeda magnifying glass on top.
It's like, I'm pretty sure whenI was like eight, I used to take
a magnifying glass and chasedown ants.
Like, I don't want to be theant.
And then two, what if you're ina hailstorm?

SPEAKER_00 (50:27):
Oh, that's a good point, too.

SPEAKER_05 (50:28):
Still an RV, man.

SPEAKER_00 (50:29):
Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_05 (50:30):
Like, I don't I think RVs are better built
today.
But like, remember when ElonMusk came out the Cybertruck,
it's bulletproof, and then hethrew a baseball at it and it
broke the dang window.
That's what I'm imagining.
Like, it won't break, and thenlike a bird's gonna land on it,
it's gonna splinter or somethingstupid or random.
So there's there's I think it'sthe most capable of the off
production line stuff.

(50:50):
It's brand new, by the way.
Um, but there are like that'sweird.

SPEAKER_01 (50:53):
That is goofy.
All right.
And if you had all the money inthe world to spend on a luxury
coach, where would you go?

SPEAKER_05 (50:59):
Production or one-off?

SPEAKER_01 (51:01):
It's up to you.

SPEAKER_05 (51:02):
It's gonna be a motorhome.
That's just because money.
So I would say dual.
If I was gonna do a one-off, I'ddo a new.
Oh, okay.
But I also don't have 1.5expendable dollars uh million
expendable dollars.

SPEAKER_01 (51:12):
Million, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (51:13):
Uh yeah, I have one dollar, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 (51:14):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_05 (51:15):
Um realistically, probably a tiff and allegro bus
or comparable um in othermanufacturers.
So like Integra Cornerstone, umNewell, not Newell, um uh Numar
King Air?
I think the King Air is acomparable.
Whichever the comparable neweruh one over there is.
So but I I I lean towards I justlike the aesthetic better, but

(51:38):
uh, I'd probably say a bus ofsome kind too.

SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
I gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 (51:40):
Not sure which floor band, but a bus.

SPEAKER_01 (51:42):
And I realized um we talked about like systems and
rigs and all kinds of things.
I didn't ask you aboutaccessories.
So back to the I guess theconcourse.

SPEAKER_05 (51:50):
Yeah, let's finish this section, then we'll go back
to that.

SPEAKER_01 (51:52):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (51:53):
You got one more.
Unless you're gonna skip it.

SPEAKER_01 (51:59):
I was gonna skip it, but oh okay.

SPEAKER_05 (52:01):
Best value, Alliance Delta.
I I honestly think it's the bestbang for the buck you get out
there.
It's not the cheapest, but it isnowhere near the most expensive.
It falls in the middle of thatcategory.
For an MSRP trailer that'sbetween$50,000 and$63,000,
you're gonna get it 18 to 22%,20% off somewhere in that
ballpark for what you get forthat dollar amount is insane.

(52:22):
I'm talking regular Delta.

SPEAKER_04 (52:23):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 (52:24):
If you are okay going down to the lightweight
version, you're gonna get aneven better deal because it's
not that different.
The interior, all that stuff,the structure, it's not that
different.
You just have a regular capinstead of a molded front cap.
It's all a weight thing, it hasnothing to do with value.
And so I I honestly think it'sthe best value for what you get
for the money.
So, okay, anyway, what would youwhat we what did you want to go

(52:45):
to?
Accessories.
It's allergy season in Texas.
Um, accessories are weirdbecause they don't really,
there's not a lot of innovationon that front ever.
It's kind of the same old, sameold, you know.
Um, I think the most intriguingaccessory right now to me, and I
may have actually looked atdoing this if this existed when
we had our fifth wheel.

(53:05):
Um, Mooride finally came outwith a version of their uh of a
gooseneck alternative.
So think Gen Y.
Yeah, uh think uh Reese uhgoosebox, I think is what it's
called.
But the rationale behind it isgenius.

SPEAKER_04 (53:22):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (53:23):
So if you know Moraide's pin box line, it's
it's the rubber pin box.
There's only one.
Um and then they have dependingon the weight of your coach, so
like our Valor had the HDversion and then the solitude
had the standard.
It's just how which which rubberdisc they use on the inside,
that's what moves 360 degrees toallow for um movement and
chucking and to kind of deadenall that stuff.

(53:44):
They always treated us well.
It is, yeah, and it workedgreat.
Um, I liked it better than mostother things.
Um, I can tell you we tested aGen Y and I hated it.

SPEAKER_00 (53:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (53:54):
But I also feel like we had the wrong one.
So caveat there.
Sure.
Um, granted, they told me to getthat one and I kind of said, Are
you sure?
And I was like, I feel like I'mon the line, I should go to the
bigger one.
They said no, do this one, and Ihated it.
Um, but so Gen Y has a torsionflex system, so it's rubber
bands, not like what you buy atthe store.
Um, but it's the idea.
They're bands of rubber um thatare stretched, and that's what's

(54:17):
moving around.
And they they I think they saidthey have a five-year warranty.
That's it.
You're supposed to replace thoseat some point.
Oh, really?
Yeah, they're designed to be,they will wear out and replace.
Well, that's kind of importantto know, don't you think?
Well, because like they eventell you like it'll take a
thousand miles, whatever it is,to break them in.
Yeah.
So they're really tight atfirst.
As soon as they start moving,they release, and then from then

(54:37):
on out, they're onlydeteriorating.
And so they get uh over time,it'll get bouncier and bouncier
until they're just they eitherare so bouncy you can't take
anymore, or they're justcompletely broken and your rig
won't sit up anymore on like howit does.

SPEAKER_04 (54:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (54:49):
Then you have the Reese Goose box.
There's an airbag in there.
Well, it's notorious that youhave to continuously refill the
airbag.

SPEAKER_01 (54:56):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (54:57):
Airbags just they just leak.
They all do.
And so it's and this one hasplagued the Reese, it's the one
downside of the goosebox.
Um, and the design of it, it'sI've heard it's pretty difficult
to connect and unconnect from atruck.
The Gen Y is significantlyeasier.
So you take something like theMooride rubber pinbox kingpin
version that has a 15-yearwarranty on the rubber.

(55:20):
So essentially it will outlivethe rig.
And even if it doesn't, you canremove everything and just get
the piece.
You don't have to like Gen Y.
I don't know that they have areplacement for that.
I think you have to buy a newone.

SPEAKER_01 (55:30):
I don't even know how you would put the
replacement on there.

SPEAKER_05 (55:32):
You'd have to disassemble it, which is heavy.
So for this, you just remove acouple of bolts.
I've taken our assembly apart tofor inspections.
Sure.
And on that one, you just takeit, you take the rubber out, you
put the new one in, done.

SPEAKER_04 (55:43):
Ta-da.

SPEAKER_05 (55:43):
It's put back together.
And the fact that it's a goose,and it is a straight, it's not a
conversion, so you don't put iton your kingpin.
You remove your entire assembly.
Okay.
You're down to just the framedportion with the holes in it.
You slide.
I'm saying this like you can doit one-handed.
These things are heavy.
Don't ever like you need help, Iwould argue, take it there.
But you install this, it's now agooseneck.

(56:04):
The rubber pin box portion of itis down by the goose.

SPEAKER_00 (56:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (56:07):
Um, and so it goes all the way down.
Now it's it's a cumbersome boy.
Um, it but that to me, moremetal equals more stability.
It also means more pin weight.
Um, but they said it, they saidit does overall from the rubber,
it's a standard rubber pin boxto the gooseneck conversion,
they said it's about 70 poundsheavier.

SPEAKER_01 (56:24):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (56:26):
So, but well, it's steel.

SPEAKER_01 (56:28):
It is.

SPEAKER_05 (56:28):
I will say it's not aluminum, it's not anything
else.
Those things are maybe no, 70pounds total.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (56:34):
Oh, okay.
That makes more sense.

SPEAKER_05 (56:35):
Yeah, I think it's like a 30 or 40 pound.
I mean, it it's it's heavierbecause it's just that much more
metal.

SPEAKER_01 (56:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (56:40):
Um, but yeah, sorry, I think it's like 70 pounds
total.
So, like I put on our Gen Y bymyself.

SPEAKER_02 (56:45):
Yeah, you tell me.

SPEAKER_05 (56:46):
I mean, I got smart and used our lift in my truck
and didn't break anything.
Um, but this I'm not sure I'd beable to.

SPEAKER_01 (56:53):
So Okay.
All right.

SPEAKER_05 (56:55):
Well other than that, I mean, patio X is cool if
you're looking for that.
Um accessories are accessories,there's just not a lot of new
stuff.
I mean, get the things that Ithis is that one we talked about
in another episode of like justif you're buying an RV, like go
in lightly at first.
Like there's things that I feellike you know you're gonna need
sewer hoses, sure, water hoses,connectors, that kind of stuff.

(57:18):
But take it easy on everythingelse.
Okay, and then as you need it,buy it.
Now, there's some things you canalso do at these shows.
Um, open roads, you can actuallysign up and get a card right
there now because they changesome of that up.
Also on open roads.
If you're a new user at themoment, you can actually use
your credit card.
Old users still can't.

SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
About that, Tara.

SPEAKER_05 (57:38):
They're they're working on it.
Um, I would have waitedpersonally.
I'm sure they're gettingbombarded.
Um, but you also told us to talkabout it, so sorry.
Um uh other than that, there's aton of cramp grounds.
I never know why.
Come stay with us in threemonths.
I don't know where I'm gonna benext week.

SPEAKER_01 (57:54):
Right.
That's kind of goofy.

SPEAKER_05 (57:55):
And I get if you if it if you're there for like a
name recognition branding thing,makes complete sense.
Right.
But there were so many of themtrying to get people to like
like now thousand trails makesense because there's a
membership portion of that, butmost of them don't have they're
just like, come stay with us.
I'm like, I don't know where I'mgonna be, no.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (58:11):
Or the dates or well, you're not an RV show.
I don't have my calendar withme.

SPEAKER_05 (58:14):
I mean, I do, but I always do.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (58:16):
It almost seems better to have like an incentive
or a discount if you're able tosomehow do something.

SPEAKER_05 (58:21):
You'd think maybe they did and they just didn't
say it, which doesn't makesense.

SPEAKER_01 (58:25):
All right.
Was there anything that I missedas far as what you wanted to
tell them or to tell me about?

SPEAKER_05 (58:31):
Um, I think the only thing from the show perspective
would be uh lunch was miserable.
And I say that in terms of it'slike five or six food trucks and
it's a shotgun style, likegalley style line of them.

SPEAKER_01 (58:44):
I'm sorry, we didn't touch on food, your favorite.

SPEAKER_05 (58:46):
That was it.
There's not much to it.
Um it was so chaotic, I missedthe Chick-fil-A truck that was
there.

SPEAKER_01 (58:52):
Oh, no.

SPEAKER_05 (58:53):
Ended up with crappy chicken tenders.

SPEAKER_01 (58:54):
Oh, that's terrible.

SPEAKER_05 (58:55):
And I could have gotten for less money a chicken
sandwich.
And so, yeah, I didn't realizethat.
I was I was eating my chickentenders and Daryl Tolson rolled
up and stole one of my Frenchfries.
I wasn't eating them.
Um and was like, I'm gonna getChick-fil-a.
I don't know why you got thatchicken.
And that's when I about threw mychicken at him.
Well, love you, Daryl, but notat that moment.

(59:18):
And I walked with them andtalked.
So yeah, it's it's chaos.
Um, nothing's it's or it's asorganized as you can make it.
There's just the because thephysical footprint's so much
smaller, I would say if you justwant to be around the brand,
brand new stuff quickly, go toHershey.
Sure.
The area is gorgeous, andthere's Hershey Park.
I I understand why people wouldwant to go.

SPEAKER_02 (59:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (59:38):
If I'm going just for the RV show, I would skip
it.

SPEAKER_02 (59:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (59:41):
I'd actually go to Tampa.
It's Tampa was more fun as awhole, it's more spread out.
You don't feel like you cansmell as many people.
Um well, you know, it's likesomeone's like a little sweaty
and boy, and they're right nextto you, like, mm-hmm You did
promise smells at the beginningof this.

SPEAKER_01 (59:55):
I did.
You sure did.

SPEAKER_05 (59:56):
Chick fil A wasn't one of them, otherwise I would
have been there.
Um So from that standpoint, I II would do Tampa.
I prefer Tampa.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:04):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:05):
I don't know that we will, unless invited by Alliance
or somebody to do somethingspecifically for it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:11):
I don't know that I'm ever going to go back to
Hershey.
Unless you just really wanted togo to Hershey Park.
I'll be honest, I didn't get todo any of that because I was
only there for two days.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:20):
Or the chocolate.
You didn't get to do thechocolate.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:21):
That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:22):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:23):
Which allegedly they piped the smell of chocolate
into the town, which is insane,and I want it so bad.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:28):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:29):
Um I just I was down there once for a dinner for a
sponsor dinner and I didn'tsmell it.
Um also my allergies are reallybad.
So from that standpoint, doTampa.
Um Yeah, that's about it, Ithink.
If you have questions, I'd behappy to answer them either in
the comments down below or youcan reach out to us through our
normal socials.
If you just go to RV Shenanigansor RV Shenanigans Podcast.com,

(01:00:53):
it magically gets to us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:54):
Well, and you can tell us if there's a floor plan
you want us to kind of do adeeper dive into, uh an
accessory, uh something that youreally want us to give our two
cents on and whatnot.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:04):
Well, and I think too, what's important to note
about how this podcast is goingto go forward.
I know we talked to be the showabout how there's some
transition and that's kind ofcoming into its own.
Well, obviously we've beentalking for a hot minute.
Um but the vet hasn't called, Idon't think, or did they?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:19):
No, they didn't.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:19):
Um we're waiting for the vet to call on Bailey.
She's got a cough.
Um we are going, we've got newsegment ideas.
This is gonna be all RV all thetime.
Now we do have like RV travel todestinations.
Sure.
Like we've got a show coming up.
We're finally, finally doing apodcast recapping um our time at
the Wisconsin Dells.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:40):
It's only been a day or two.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:41):
Three by day or two, she means like four months.
Yeah, it's true.
There's been some stuff goingon.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:47):
A few things.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:47):
Um, like our time, like state parks, that kind of
stuff.
We're going to deep dive intothe travel as well in podcast
form.
But we have new segments likeFaces Behind the Industry, and
we're gonna deep dive with somechannels and like what really
got him into it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:01):
Or what makes them tick, if that makes sense.
Oh, should we share thosesecrets?
I don't know.
We're not, they are.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:07):
That's that's the beauty of it.
It's not us.
Um, those kind of things.
But yeah, if you if you reallywant to watch the travel stuff,
make sure you're on Miller's inMotion.
If you're all about the RVstuff, you're in the right
place.
Congratulations, you did it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:21):
And so did you.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:23):
Kinda.
We're not done done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:24):
Oh, goodness.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:25):
Um taking back over, is it still you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:28):
This is all yours.
I've asked all the questions Ineed to ask.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:31):
So I've got one question for you before we
signed off.
Oh boy.
How did it feel driving thepodcast?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:39):
Um, not too different, I would say.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:43):
Yeah, we we're very we are easy to we talk to each
other pretty easily.
That's why we get along most ofthe time.
Exactly.
Well, let me phrase that.
You're willing to put up with mewhile we talk.
Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:54):
So okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:55):
Thank you so much for listening/slash watching.
Again, if you have anyquestions, uh, if you just head
over to millersinmotion.com,rvshenanigans.com, rvshenanigans
podcast.com, any of the socials,you'll find everything there, by
the way.
Um, reach out to us, ask thequestion.
If you're watching on YouTube,feel free to leave a comment
down below.
Um, big favor if you could rateand review the show on your
favorite podcast platform orshare it with a friend if you're

(01:03:16):
on YouTube.
Any of the things.
We are having to grow this onthe YouTube side from the ground
up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:22):
Woohoo.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:23):
Which means chaos.
Um, it just means we have a workcutout for.
So any help we can get would bemuch, much appreciated.
Yeah.
All right.
See you next week.
Or talk to you next week.
One of the two.
I'm not sure which.

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