January 12, 2025 • 45 mins
We explore our decision to sell our RV and transition from full-time travel to establishing a home base. The episode delves into the selling process, negotiations, market strategies, and reflects on our journey of RV life.
• Discussing the emotional reasons behind selling the RV
• Highlighting the importance of market research and listing strategies
• Sharing insights on negotiating and transparent communication with buyers
• Emphasizing timeline management and market fluctuations
• Reflecting on the cherished memories of RV life and future transitions
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boy, do we have some changes and my better half slash
a voice is returning to thepodcast.
It's been a hot minute for her,so let's get into it.
Welcome back, I'm Ryan.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Lauren, and this is the RV shenanigans podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Shenanigans.
If you notice, we haven't saidthat word in a while.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm happy to have it back.
That was my idea.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We toyed with some ideas and they didn't work out,
so we're just going back to whatwe know works, and that is the
shenanigans, because we're goodat that.
So we'll welcome back.
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm here.
It's early in the morning forus Well kind of.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We're just not as caffeinated as we normally would
be.
Whether or not it's early isdebatable.
So we have a lot of updates andthis is going to be coming on
the full YouTube channel thinghere in about.
Well, at the time of recordingabout three-ish weeks, and so we
figured we'd put it here first.
I'm sure it'll be out on socialmedia and this is being
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recorded right before we getready to leave for the united
rally.
So if you're coming to that,you probably know even before
this, so you want to hit themwith our first big change the
first big change is um.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
We're homeless again by choice.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
By choice is the important part there by choice.
Yes, we sold the valor we did,and we're going to get into a
whole lot of selling the valorhere in a little bit, um, but
just know that for the timebeing, we did decide to sell it.
No, it's not because somethingwas wrong with it or anything
else.
We absolutely love that rv, andliterally months ago, we just
(01:47):
finished it.
In our eyes I'm using airquotes that you can't see, but
yeah.
So with that though, why did wesell the valor?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
oh, that that was a question for me, not for them.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Huh that was for you.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, because they can't respond to this moment
sometimes it's that rhetoricalwhere it's like, yeah, you guys
answer, dream up your ownanswers.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I guess your cue is when I picked up my coffee to
take a drink, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Didn't know if you were just spacing things out.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
We're going to do long, dramatic pauses on this
podcast in the reboot.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
For you to think about the answers to these
questions before we answer themourselves.
Okay, so we sold the Valorbecause we would like to
actually get something that'ssmaller and a little bit more
nimble, and maybe even somethingthat I could drive.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, praise God.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Easy over there, easy breezy.
So yes, that was.
One of the goals is that we didwant to be a little bit more
nimble and smaller, but alsobecause we're going to find
something to settle down in,like a house type, so we can
kind of come back to a home basea little bit more than we had
been.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So even I think, a bigger deal, at least to us,
more than even selling the Valor, because in our full-time RV
life we had two RVs.
We had our Solitude 390RK.
That was a, we thought, a greatchoice at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I still stick to that.
I think it was it met the goalswe set.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, for like three to five months it met those
goals Great.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
This is a learning opportunity.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And then we switched to our Alliance Valor 44V14,
which was a new floor plan atthe time for him.
We absolutely love that.
We still love that rig.
We're still going to be veryinvolved in the Facebook group,
mainly because we created it,but it is just that time.
I think you refer to them asseasons of life.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That is correct and we just determined that that
living full time in the RV, thatseason was kind of coming to a
close to us and that we wouldenjoy having a home to come back
to.
But we still love the RV lifeand wanted to keep that a big
part of our travels.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, and I think so, a big part of our travels.
Well, and I think so a bigreason for us.
Because I don't I don'tnecessarily feel like I have to
justify why we're doing it, butI like to give people a little
bit of insight to why.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
If that makes sense Well, if you don't, they may
come into their own conclusionsand we don't want anything out
there.
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, we hated RV life.
No, that's not the case.
That's absolutely not the case.
We loved it actually so muchthat we're making sure to go
back with not only another RV,but I will say it will be
another Alliance RV, because weloved our Valor so much and so.
But with that, you know, it'swith that change of season and
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time for us, our families,specifically my parents are
getting a little older, so wewant to be around North Texas a
little bit more.
And then, a big reason for me,something that I noticed, and
this is a trap I think a lot offull-time rv families can maybe
accidentally get themselves into.
And that's, you know, because Iworked from the rig and you
could work from the rig, wewould go somewhere and work
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would just magically follow you.
So you're not really takingAgain the air quotes that nobody
can see.
And so, yes, it's great thatall of our stuff would go Like
if we went to a horse show, wewent to like Tennessee or
Florida for the gazillionth timeor any of those types of things
, but also we didn't feel likewe were traditionally camping
anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Right, and that's a double-edged sword, because we
were able to go a lot of placeswithout necessarily missing out
on work.
You know you're like, oh, Ihave so many vacation days, well
, or you know, I had to meet somuch productivity and that
didn't apply in the same manner.
So we were able to travel more,but we weren't really
vacationing.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, and because we still wanted to get back to
North Texas for horses andparents and family stuff and
everything that kind of kept onpulling us back, we ended up
doing these as you're very awareif you watch the YouTube
channel ridiculous drive days towhere they're.
I mean, I don't know that weminus the trip to Florida the
first day.
(05:38):
I don't know that we had adrive day less than eight hours
ever.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Right, they're usually closer to 12.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Without an arrival.
Sorry, I guess I should prefacethat by normally.
We did that like a long driveday so that we had a shorter
drive day coming in, so we getset up and have a little bit of
energy to kind of move on thatday, but yeah, but yeah.
So all of those things beingsaid, we would like to, when we
actually get the RV out to go ona trip.
We want it to be that.
We want it to be a trip.
We want it to be a little bitmore enjoyable when we got out
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there.
Not that we didn't enjoy itbefore, just degrees of
enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I guess Maybe relaxing.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Right, well, and to know that, like when the RV
comes out, it can be somethingfun, right.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Exactly A hundred percent fun, not you know like
when we went to.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm going to use Tennessee as an example because
I think that's the spot we wentto.
I'm going to use Tennessee asan example because I think
that's the spot we went andplayed the most away from the RV
.
But at the end of the day westill came back and still had to
clean our house and to dolaundry.
And I'm not saying that that'snot a thing when you RV anyway,
but when you look at it as thoseeveryday tasks and now my desk
(06:39):
is down, so I might as well geta little bit of work done while
I'm sitting here waiting onsomething to happen and next
thing, you know you've been downfor four and a half hours that
kind of stuff and not sittingoutside, not, you know, getting
a campfire going, all of thosethings kind of compiled
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no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, I had to stay back at work and go to the
clinic for a couple of thingswhich we fully expected.
That's not unforeseen.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Let's say or the dogs .
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
If we got invited to go do something where I couldn't
, I'd be gone for like 12 to 15hours a day.
That's not fair to our dogs totake them and not be able to get
them outside.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
All that stuff Right, but that did leave you taking
our house and left me and thedogs trying to scramble to find
somewhere to go.
Luckily enough, our parents arehere in the DFW area, but my
mom has dogs that don't reallyget along with our dogs, so that
was never an option on thetable along with our dogs.
So that was never an option onthe table.
So it was either hotel or crashwith Ryan's parents, which, at
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the end of the day, I feltintrusive, and that started to
get a little old.
It was wonderful for them towelcome us, but by the way, felt
intrusive.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
We love my parents so much because they pretty much
gave us their upstairs for theforeseeable future, until we can
get the new RV slash housething squared away.
So yes with all that being said,we don't want to go down the
woe is us path a little too far.
So just know that there is achange in the works on the RV
side.
But before we dive into it,we're going to take a quick
(08:16):
break because when we come back,we're going to talk about how,
why, the process of selling RV,just in case you need to sell an
RV.
So stick with us for just onesecond.
Hey, we're back look at that andfor us, the magic of seconds
(08:37):
later.
Um so, selling your rv.
So obviously, like we talkedabout earlier, we just sold our
alliance Alliance Valor 44 V14.
We've sold an RV previously.
That was our grand design,solitude 390 RK.
But we want to talk a littlebit about the how we knew it was
time to sell it, which we kindof did with the solid, with the
Valor.
I mean, we can briefly touch onthe Solitude, the other one,
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the other one, but then kind ofwhat, once you make that
decision to sell it, what thatprocess actually and
legitimately looks like from arealistic perspective.
Because I feel like our RVswere a little unique in that
they had been reasonablyupgraded.
Now the Valor had been reallyupgraded.
So what?
When we decided to sell the RV,what was the first thing that
entered your mind that youneeded to get done?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Honestly, to me it was kind of like writing a
description and taking photos toconvey the value of the.
Rv Because we had both of theseare very nice rigs and we had
updated and mod and all kinds ofstuff.
And so we wanted to be able toconvey that, and I know that at
that point for us it was a nichebuyer, but trying to grab that
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person to show them what wasunique about our rig versus the
7,000 that are on the market.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, and obviously we're saying that it was a niche
buyer because both systems hada solar system on it.
The first one was a pretty goodsized solar system.
The Valor was ridiculouslysized.
I mean, do whatever whenever,however, you want kind of a
system.
And so from that we knewbetween the independent
suspension, the disc brakes, thesolar upgrades, all the little
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stuff which there's so much, Idon't even know where to start
on that.
But we knew that that personwasn't going to be just the
average RV buyer because theydon't understand the value in
the independent suspension, discbrakes, solar, all of those
things.
And so I mean it wasn'tnecessarily without getting in
the dollars.
It was priced accordingly, Iguess, is the best way to say
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that.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, I agree that we went to links to research the
market and the value of thethings that we had done and just
the temperature of the marketin general in order to price
them accordingly.
We weren't looking for somebodyto come in and steal it,
necessarily, but we weren'tlooking to overprice it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And I think it's important to note too that if
you're listening to this and yougo I didn't know you were
selling your rig it's because wedon't actually put it on the
Miller's in Motion social mediastuff.
We may share it on our personalpages, which I'm never on,
you're on yours a little bitmore than I am, but still not a
ton.
Um, we've never felt like.
We feel like the rv in its ownright should sell itself, versus
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kind of relying on a viewershipor followership to sell it for
us.
If that makes any sense and Idon't I've just always felt
weird about putting it on theMiller's in Motion page to sell
it.
I don't know why.
100% besides.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, you get what I'm putting down, so we never
did that.
Now, that being said, there areplenty of options out there.
As far as trying to get itlisted, I'm going to say the
most basic would be Facebookmarketplace.
Because it's free, you can putit on there.
I will tell you from somebodythat sold a handful of things
like golf clubs and random stuffon Facebook marketplace hard
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pass.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And so I actually did list the solitude in Facebook
marketplace.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Oh, I didn't remember that, and that was a terrible
experience.
So now I need to know why.
Because you dealt with it, Ireally didn't on that Facebook
marketplace side.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Because, from what I found, the buyer that we were
looking for for a high-end nicherig was not in Facebook
marketplace.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's about the nicest way I think you could
have put that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It sure was.
There are tire kickers andthere are people with no
experience or frame of referencethat have a lot of opinions
about what you've done andthey're very willing to share
them, and I started a lot ofconversations that had to be
shut down because they weren'tin a positive direction.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well, and I think, too that, like.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about like RV, specific
websites where you can listthings, and I think that there's
a prerequisite to people thatgo to those that they're
actually legitimately lookingfor an RV, whereas on Facebook
marketplace, if you happen toFacebook, like a truck for sale
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I accidentally did that at onepoint, accidentally did that at
one point, and I'm still gettingads for like, use trucks to use
RVs, all of that stuff, becauseMeta is trying to force things
down my throat that Inecessarily don't want to see
anymore well, and ultimately I.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
so it was the grand design solitude that I'd listed,
and I also listed it in granddesigns for sale and you know,
big RVs for sale, thesedifferent groups that were in
Facebook, and I had a verysimilar experience that the
buyer was not in those groups.
Those are just what do theycall them Keyboard jockeys.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, so I was going to ask so did you?
When you listed it in thosegroup specifics, did you list
the marketplace ad or did youlist the other ad that we did,
which we'll talk about in asecond?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I did the other oh okay.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So that's why I was curious if it would.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So facebook as a whole was just kind of a hot
mess oh, it was, and I, when welisted the valor, I did not go
down that road one bit no, infact, we only listed it one
place now we shared it excuse me, we shared it on our social
media once or twice again.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Not our miller's in motion page, but we actually
shared it on our social mediaonce or twice Again.
Not our Miller's in Motion page, but we actually shared it on
our personal page.
I think we mentioned that wewere selling it, just so that it
wasn't like shock and awe onMiller's in Motion.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Right, and I don't even know that I shared it on my
personal.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Oh, I just assumed you did I did not.
Never mind, we didn't do any ofthat.
So, with that being said, wedid choose to list it on rv
trader.
So if you are unaware, ifyou're in the rv space and
you're unaware what rv on thethere I don't know why I just
got a little like transylvaniaaccent there his coffee has your
blood.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
His coffee hasn't kicked in.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Y'all are gonna have to be kind um, but we did choose
to list it.
On rv trader we did use one oftheir higher end options because
you can list.
They got different tiers,apparently more than even I knew
.
They used to only have like twoor three and now they like four
.
So we did what we thought wasthe top of the line, which
apparently was one below whereyou could list.
I think you had 40 pictures,description, all of that stuff,
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and then on top of that youmessage.
When people message you, itgoes all through RV trader.
So there's a little.
Not everybody gets your cellphone number and personal
Facebook profile, which is kindof nice because you inherently
do get tire kickers as wellthere, but it's a lot less.
Now you're probably not goingto get as many leads that you're
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going to get on Facebook, but Ido feel like that you got
better leads.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Absolutely.
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Like I think there was only one person that
mentioned messaged us that, um,they had a random question and
they saw it was us and so theyasked a question through the
sales ad.
For some weird reason,everybody else that communicated
with us was legitimatelylooking at the rig.
Now, some people they were justasking like if it was still for
sale and they had a couple ofquestions on some upgrades, but
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they hadn't quite seen a 44 inreal life, so they were going to
an RV show.
Then it turned out that theydidn't necessarily care for
something about it, but theymade a decision on what rig is
right for them and it didn'tinclude the 44 anymore.
I think they went with more ofa non-toy hauler option.
I think is what it came down to.
So, um, do you remember howmuch the ad was on rv trader off
the top of your head?
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it's a couple hundred dollarsyeah, I was guessing two to 250.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think it may have been more than that.
I think it may have been morethan that.
I think it may have been threeor four hundred.
Oh OK, but in my opinion it'sworth it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the qualified leads you're
going to get, and even us, likewe had more responses to the
solitude, but it wasn't as highof a priced coach either.
The upgrades we had done whilethere were many of them, there
was more on the Valor, and notonly were there more on the
Valor, valor, we went about 15steps further on the upgrades we
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actually did.
So like again, the solar systemis the prime example of it was
just bigger, better, badder, allof those things.
So, um, I would recommend rvtrader I do too the one thing.
You know, if I was going to giveanybody a tip when listing you
know I tried to treat it kind oflike a YouTube video that we
made a thumbnail for it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And I did that because everybody lists their RV
the same way picture of theoutside, picture of a few of the
sides, and then you start goinginto more detailed or macro
pictures of the inside, thingsthat are going on in the rig.
That kind of stuff highlightthe features essentially.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Also, when we listed the solitude, I did something
similar.
I didn't do a thumbnail, butinstead of the, the first
picture being of the outside ofthe rig, like everybody else, it
was actually, I think, of ourbattery bank and our system set
up.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So I like the thumbnail thing because again, I
mean, I've again I've kind ofstudied that and you know what
youtube likes and doesn't likeand what catches people's eye,
and so I was able to put apicture of the outside of the
rig.
But I was also able to put big,bright words that said Alliance
, valor 44, v14.
And then it said for sale.
But it also could highlight theindependent suspension and the
solar system and all thosethings.
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So you know, try to thinkoutside the box, especially if
you're not in the contentcreation land, you know.
Just know that there's a reasonwhy we do everything we do and
if you're looking to sell yourrig, at the end of the day
you're just promoting it.
So anything you can do to helppromote it or get people's eyes
on your rig versus adealership's or somebody else's
is a step you got on anybodyelse.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say is that
oftentimes this wasn't quite thecase.
With the Valor, there wereseveral new ones for sale.
There weren't very many usedones, but with the Grand Design
there were a lot of new and used, and so we had to find a way
for our rig to stand out fromall the others that are for sale
.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Do we want to talk about the 800 pound girl in the
room that we sold our rig rightbefore all this fun Grand Design
stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, so you don't get control over timing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No you don't.
And we had already made thedecision to sell our Solitude at
that point.
And this was what, a year priorto the I don't even know what
to call it framey thingies Idon't want to say the words.
Yeah, no, we don't want.
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Obviously, we sold it beforeany of that.
We had our fun experience withGrand Design's customer service
and for us that was between thatand some of the like.
It just wasn't working for us.
The layout and some otherthings.
That was our kind of nail inthe coffin for Grand Design as a
whole.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But I'm going to say this so that it's on the record.
We had our frame tested.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh, many times.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And it was not part of the framey things going on.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
At least at the time we sold it, it wasn't and it was
tested twice two differentprofessionals.
Oh, it was.
So, yes, professionally tested.
I did it a lot more than thatonce I learned what it actually
was and how to do it, because itreally isn't that hard.
You just have to be willing toput it on your truck.
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So, um, anyway, so we decide toput the rig up for sale.
It's sitting on rv trader.
At that point I know you saidyou the solitude, you shared it
in some facebook groups.
Um, the valor, we really didn'tshare it.
I think I shared it in the 44group oh yeah, you did because
there's we.
We started a specific since the44 v14 was the biggest RV
Alliance had ever made and soinherently it was going to have
some quirks because it was, Ithink, two or three feet longer
than the next closest toy hauler.
Also it had a different kind ofa couch.
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There was a lot of differentthings that were part of the 44
that aren't in other toy haulers.
Now they've kind of come backand things that are in the 44
are now also in other toyhaulers on the Alliance line,
but at the time there wasn't.
So we wanted a place for 44owners to just kind of figure
out if that makes sense.
So I did list it there becausethere were also people in there
that had said they're lookingfor a used one.
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Right, the 44 was unique inthat front because there were a
handful of used.
There was one or two used onesout there ever, ever, when we
put ours on the market.
Yeah, we had an early modelbecause we kind of worked out
with Alliance.
We ended up getting one of notthe first one off the line oh no
, first batch near the end ofsaid batch.
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But with that being said, itwas interesting because it made
it difficult to price it.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And so do you want to talk about the theory with it?
Because we're not going to saywhat we sold it for.
It's not listed anymore.
But if you saw it when it waslisted, that's not a shock.
But how did we eventually getto the pricing we landed on?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
So we considered what it would be to purchase a new
one.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So remember, this was a 2024 model and we sold it in
2024.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, we technically barely and so while it was used,
it wasn't heavily used,obviously, Well we full time
didn't, so it was being used allthe time.
I mean years old.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, years old, and we didn't roll down the road
just constantly with it either.
It's not like we were gone allthe time.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So we kind of looked at the value of a new rig and
what they were going for in thatmarket, what you were getting
off MSRP and then also factoringin that you pay taxes on a new
rig and that's roughly 6%, andon these rigs that's close to
six grand.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I was going to say and that's just in case you're
not 100% aware of what Lauren'stalking about If you buy from a
dealership or a business entity,in whatever state you happen to
be buying in, you're going topay.
You're subject to whatever thesales tax is in that state on
vehicles.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
If you buy from an individual, and this goes for
vehicles too if you buy from anindividual, there is no sales
tax because you're not buyingfrom a business or an entity.
And that's important if you'reworking with like a creator,
like us, is you know, understand?
Because if we had sold, like ifMiller's in Motion had bought
that RV Right and we sold it, wewould have had to assess sales
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tax at that point, otherwise thestate of Texas would be looking
for us.
So just you know in thatprocess, just kind of know those
things.
So anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So we took into account what the new rigs were
going for with the addition ofsales tax, and then took a
portion of that off because ourswas used.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So let's say whatever .
We at the time thought theappropriate depreciation value
would have been Right, which wasreally hard to charge.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And then we kind of wrote down and priced out all
the upgrades that we had donebetween the independent
suspension and the solar, thewasher and dryer that was going
to be on there.
There were just several,several things, all the MORryde
things that we had done,upgraded the pin box, and then
we kind of did the same thing.
We took the new value andassessed a depreciation to that
and tried to come up withsomething that was reasonable.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And that's where we priced it.
And then we even said, like weput, that we're open to offers,
but it was reasonably firm RightOf where we were, because I'm
not.
You know, you can play.
I think there's a couple ofgames you can play when you're
selling an RV and you can do thewhole okay.
Well, I really want to get thisfor it.
So I'm going to price it at youknow, five, 10, depending on
the dollar amount you're talkingabout.
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I'm going to add a couple ofpercentage points essentially to
the rig, so that when Inegotiate I land where I really
want to be.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Just know, when you do that, you run the potential
of overpricing the rig Right andI think that we overestimated
the market when we listed theSolitude at first.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
But that was the first RV we'd ever sold, and so
we recognized that prettyquickly and we actually did come
back off the price and on thelisting because we didn't want
to have to negotiate a whole lotof big number.
I guess you could say well, theother side of that too was our
valor was nearing completion, soat some point it need to go
that is true, and so justkeeping an eye on the market and
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what, what other stuff is goingfor, how people are feeling,
time of year plays a big roleand just know that if you are
like, if you happen to buy a new, a rig that is new to the
marketplace, like we did at the44, you're you're in somewhat
uncharted waters to a point, andso you have to do your best to
make the decision you make.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But we also allow, like, listen to it, like our rig
was so overly specialty, wedecided that we knew this was
going to be a niche buyer andthat we didn't want.
I think the best way to say itis that we knew that, we knew
this was going to be a nichebuyer and that we didn't want.
I think the best way to say itis that we knew that this might
take a little bit of time and sohave realistic expectations on
timing, depending on how it'spriced and the rig you're trying
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to sell, I think is the bestway.
Like, if you've got a TiffinAllegro bus that's decked out
like a 2023 and you paid youknow six, seven, eight hundred
thousand dollars for that,you're gonna try and sell it for
, I'm guessing, at least six,right, if it's the use, the
amount our valor was.
Just know that that person is aharder person to find than the
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person looking for a, you know,a fifteen thousand dollar travel
trailer it is.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's a diff.
That's why I was saying nichebuyer.
They're looking for a big rigwith big upgrades and they have
a bigger budget.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, Also a factor is time of year, and so go ahead
.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's kind of a double-edged sword right,
Because we listed both of themwhen we thought it was the
perfect time of year and then wesold both of them in what would
be considered the down season.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I disagree.
I don't think we listed them inthe perfect time of year and
what would be considered thedown season.
So I disagree.
I don't think we listed them inthe perfect time of year.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think we didn't understand in the solitude, the
process.
Enough Right.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But we listed that in summer.
That's true, we did.
The solitude was on the marketa little bit longer than the
valor was, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Okay, but we listed the valor in.
Was it November or December?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Oh no, I the valor in was it november or december?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
oh no, I think it was before that.
Then it was october, but it wasfall it was fall, so which fall
is not ideal?
No, realistically, like january, february I would.
I would probably argue is aboutperfect timing.
Um, if you think about rv shows, right, um, disregard hershey,
it's in the fall.
I'm not really sure.
Sure why?
Um, but the one of the biggerRV shows besides Hershey is the
Florida RV super show.
That's mid January every year.
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That's kind of the unofficialkickoff, if you may right, of
camping season.
So, between January, February,March, people start looking for
RVs because I want to go campingwhen the pro weather gets
pretty, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And as soon as spring and summer start hitting and
you know, April, May- they wantto be out there.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So I was gonna say april and may my understanding
and talking to the guys atalliance april and may is kind
of like prime season, like theylike april and may are the big
time, like they work all year toget through those two months
and so.
But by then if that's not adealer or it's not on order,
it's probably not happening kinda thing, and so but those are
the months that they're probablythe busiest in RV sales,
because you get the combinationof people that started looking
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in January, finally found whatthey want.
Maybe they ordered it, maybe itjust took a second to get the
rig.
It falls in those months andthe people that waited until oh,
it's pretty outside now rigtime, and those are the ones
that are going to go buysomething off of a lot, and so
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that's when most RV sales.
So ideally January, february,maybe even March would be like
the three months I would circleif you're going to sell a rig.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We did the fall.
You know, sometimes life justworks like that.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Right, and that's the thing too, is you?
If you're full timing, you kindof have to roll with the
punches.
And I think that's true withanything in full-time RV life.
You just have to kind of rollwith it.
But when you're selling a rig,you know, we honestly thought.
I thought it would be on tillspring-ish of 2026.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I did.
Well, maybe February at theearliest, kind of a thing, and
then obviously we sold it.
It's December and it's I don'tknow know, it's January now.
Good night.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But if you'd asked me like which month is our rig
least likely to sell in, I wouldhave circled December without a
heartbeat and, lo and behold,that's when it sold.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Because the holidays is my big thing.
I couldn't imagine spendingthat kind of money in knowing
Christmas is around the cornerand all those things.
Now, some people, it's justtiming, and I will say too that
I feel like the buyers thatbought our rig were looking to
do the things that we hadalready done and they had kind
of heard some stories about.
Well, new RVs aren't immune toproblems.
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In fact, they're more likely tohave them.
And so you have this sweet spot.
I've always thought this, atleast in towables I can't speak
to drivables you have the sweetspot of about six to eight
months after you take deliveryof it and you kind of shake all
the problems out of it for abouttwo to five years, depending on
if you full-time, part-time,slash, take care of it that you
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don't have any like major majorproblems, barring anything
self-inflicted accidents, thatkind of stuff until you start to
have product, you know, wearand tear, things start to happen
, and then you got to startreplacing stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So we had essentially just broken her in.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
That's right.
Well, and like you were sayingthat other people have their
timelines, you don't know whattheir timelines are and their
timeline just happened to meshwith ours in the month that
nobody thought we would sell anRV.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, so we find a buyer, we you come to terms kind
of this.
One worked a little bitbackwards, but it's fine.
That's how they wanted to do it, so I was fine with that.
Um, typically, once someonestarts talking to us which I
handled most of this side- rightum shocker, I'm more the sales
guy in our relationship.
Um what's that process kind oflook like, at least from our
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side somebody?
you're asking me, but youhandled it well, I know, but we
talked about it all the time.
So so essentially, uh, you know, a prospective buyer reaches
out, we talk for a little bit.
Um, normally what happens is atthat point, if someone's
interested in it, they wouldeither come and see it Um, in
this scenario the buyer couldnot come and see it because of
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distance, but they saw the valuein it and so they hired an
inspector, which were bigproponents of you know that Now,
the first people did notinspect the solitude, these guys
did inspect the valor.
And I will say the people thatdidn't inspect the solitude.
I repeatedly said are you sure?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes, you did.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
At least twice out loud.
I probably said it five timesin total, and so we're big
proponents of it.
Know what you're gettingyourself into.
Yes, they're expensive, but atthe end of the day it's peace of
mind.
It's a piece of paper andpictures, typically that give
you kind of hey, this is what'sreally going on.
If you have to buy a rig sightunseen, I'd almost say it's a
requirement.
Now, if you know a lot aboutRVs and you want to go do your
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own little self-assessment, gofor it, but that's you putting
your eyes on it Then you have toweigh your comfortability on
that side and know that you'renot going to be able to pull
that underbelly down and theymight not either, but they might
stick their head in places youmight not have thought of when
you do the inspection.
So anyway, so they chose tohave an inspector come out early
.
They did it, and then they asBailey almost knocks my coffee
(31:01):
cup over they did the inspection, and then we talked through the
negotiations, which I've alwaysfound negotiations kind of
funny.
Well, right, and especially inthis case, Like we're dealing
with genuinely nice people whohave similar goals and yeah,
Well, and it's you know, you gocamping with all these people,
you meet people out on the roadand as a whole.
(31:22):
If you're listening to this,you're probably already
reasonably into the RV lifestyleas a whole.
Rvers are friendly and nice.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
They are.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
There's always that one but, it's rare and so it's
weird trying to negotiate withthem and so I'm very upfront
when it comes to it.
So they set a number.
I said, realistically, that'snot even close.
You know, we're kind of firm onthe price.
I have a little bit of wiggleroom, but not much, and we came
to terms.
I think the negotiation lastedall about six minutes on the
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phone.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
All right, and again, when you've got this niche
buyer who these are six figurerigs, let's put that out there
because that's no secret andyou're not going to have
somebody who doesn't understandcome in and be like $5.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Well, maybe on Facebook you did.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
On Facebook.
Yeah, but you know, it's just adifferent process.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm curious if people can hear Bailey making noises.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They can probably hear your chair squeaking more
than Bailey.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Oh, okay, so we come to terms.
And then, typically, at thatpoint when you come to terms,
there's a process, and I'll saythere's two different versions
of this process.
One cash buyer.
That process is easy Please payus, take the rig, bye, bye,
that was the solitude.
And no, they financed, but theyfinanced with a company that
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pre-approved them and dideverything, and so they came
with a check from the financecompany I was going to say we
got cash in hand Right For us.
They brought a cashier's checkbecause, they knew what the
price was.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's easy for us.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Sometimes it's a different lending companies.
Different lending companieshave different policies and
procedures, so this wasn't theeasiest process.
It wasn't difficult, but it was.
Now you're coordinating with ahandful of people from a company
, like there's a title people,there's the, the actual like
lender, and then you have theguy that sold it, all kind of a
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thing, and so you know they havecertain forms that they have to
get to satisfy themselves,which is perfectly fine.
I understand that.
Um, again, we did this duringthe holiday, so it was kind of
like nailing jello-O to a wallwith them.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
sometimes it was yeah .
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And so you know.
I would say that if you have acash buyer over a lender, take
the cash buyer.
If it's the same price, it'sjust easier, it's cleaner,
there's not a whole lot to it.
That's assuming you havemultiple offers.
We did not.
We had this one and we had thatSure.
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So they asked for a bunch ofstuff VIN numbers, pictures of
some things, documentation ofthings.
Obviously we had to sign a fewdocuments as well so that the
title transfer all happenedcorrectly.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And I'm going to say nothing.
That was unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
No, timing was just that.
Yeah, none of the asks wereunreasonable, just getting them
to actually finalize or sendanything over that for some
reason.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That was the hiccup well, and at one point we'd been
like a week without an updateand we were like hey you know,
kind of what's what's up, what'sgoing on, and they're like, oh,
you didn't sign this form andit's like, tell us, tell us,
we're happy to do it right and Ithink once we knew that, we
signed it and sent it overwithin minutes yeah, I mean it
mean it's not hard.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's all virtual signing anyway, right and so.
But yeah, so we go through thatprocess.
The buyer finally getseverything approved.
And I will say that you knowthere was in this scenario there
was two kind of processes.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
There was what the lender was lending and then a
little bit of I don't even knowhow to call that second payment
Like a cash lender was lending,and then a little bit of I don't
even know how to call thatsecond payment A cash down
payment kind of thing, but thatall came directly to us, so we
essentially got two.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
well, in this case, wire transfers.
But wire transfers, cashierchecks, those kinds of things.
The only thing I'll tell youand this had absolutely nothing
to do with this buyer but whenyou're exchanging that kind of
money, I would always leantowards wires.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I think that's a lot safer.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
If you can.
Yeah, it's safer for you, it'ssafer for the buyer.
Quite frankly, it's easier forthe seller because there's
nothing you have to do.
The money gets there.
Cool, here's the keys.
Bye.
Sign the title to whoever youneed to sign the title over to,
kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And then you're done.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So our first one.
They came with a cashier'scheck, which I didn't have as
many qualms with it, but Ididn't you know, if you're
selling an RV, be mindful of.
Don't release the RV until youverify funds.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
While RVers are nice there's always the person
looking to scam you, so protectyourself.
And so, again, our buyers wereboth amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They were both phenomenal On both sides.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There are families that are going to go full-time
and both these rigs are going tostill be out there and
hopefully with these owners forlong periods of time.
I'm assuming the Solitude'sstill with its original owner or
with its second owners.
But there are instances outthere where people get scammed
and so just verify the funds arein your account before you let
that RV actually roll away,because once that RV rolls away,
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there ain't nothing you can doabout it.
Nope, I mean if they choose toscam you.
Yeah, Now if it's a legitimateperson and there was a mix-up.
They'll probably make it right,but again, you're putting a lot
of faith and hope.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And so just know, protect yourself when you're
doing this process.
Another thing too and there'sanother reason why I like rv
trader kind of on the scammerroute is you do all the
messaging through rv trader anduse your phone number email.
All that stuff stays anonymousto the other person.
Now, obviously, at some pointif that buyer becomes serious,
you're probably going toexchange contact information
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with them.
But what RV trader kind of saysis like start here and then, if
you feel comfortable after ahandful of conversations, then
you can move over into your ownpersonal email, because you know
, especially with working withlenders, they need to know
addresses and those types ofthings.
But that's a legitimate company, not necessarily an individual.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So something I would also recommend is that we've
always had insurance on our RVsand so, like this particular
buyer for the Valor after thefunds were received, still
didn't have it picked up forseveral days, and so we
encourage them to make sure thatthey had it insured in that
time, because even though theyhaven't taken delivery of it
technically, it's their rig andif we were to get a hailstorm or
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something just unforeseen,that's still on them,
unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now, to just ensure that nothing came back on us, we
left the insurance active onour side until the day it rolled
away.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Right, which you don't have to do.
We just did for kind ofsafekeeping in that regard.
And then the other thing that Ifelt very strongly of is that I
didn't release the title foreither rig until the funds had
cleared not just were pending,but had cleared.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Which in the in the Valor sale was unique because
the lending company, which is anational company, happened to be
like a block from your office.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It was, that was really easy.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
And so for that scenario, that was easy because
they wanted to have the title inhand by like x, they.
They said, I don't rememberwhat it was x amount of days
after, the seven days yeah well,we could kind of drag our feet
on that a little bit because weweren't dropping in the mail.
Right we were.
You were just like can I justrun it down there?
and they said, sure that's weird, but sure that's when we're
like well her office isliterally like there and
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they're're like oh yeah, come onby, and plus they could also
tell you where to sign, sonothing gets messed up on
accident.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And then the last thing is that on both rigs we
had a very simple bill of salethat was completed by both the
buyers and ourselves.
That was outside of anything alending agency or whatever
required, and it basically saidthe buyer has had the
opportunity to have aninspection, if they so choose,
at their own expense.
The rig is sold in as-iscondition and just kind of some
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of those plain and simple thingsthat it's nice to have that
signed.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, and again, protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And this goes for both sides.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Right and protect the other person too, like we're
selling it, we've disclosed.
It's kind of like when you buya house, you get.
We're looking at a lot ofhouses right now, and so we're
getting a lot of disclosures,disclosure we're looking at a
lot of houses right now.
And so we're getting a lot ofdisclosures, disclosure forms
our realtors giving us.
It's kind of that same thing oflike, hey, we've disclosed the
things that we're aware of, kindof a thing, kind of in best
faith kind of a situation, likeif there's something wrong that
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I'm unaware of.
That's why inspectors areimportant, because half the time
I probably would try and soldit.
We were kind of cleaning it upand I was like, of course a
problem would pop up as I'mdoing this, which it was
something super minor.
I don't remember what it was,but I remember having to fix
something real quick.
Oh, it was a trim piece.
The inspector was like you know, that trim piece fell out I'm
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like what trim piece?
And then he put it on theinspection report but then,
practically five minutes afterhe was gone, I had already fixed
it and so I took a picture andsent it to the buyer just so he
knew it was already fixed, eventhough it was on the report.
So, yeah, that you know.
As far as selling the rig, forthe most part, like nobody likes
going through that process, Idid have one tip that I
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completely forgot about backwhen we were talking about
listing the rig.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh, your coffee kicked in.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, and I looked at notes for a brief second.
So when you are listing yourrig, take your price into
consideration when people searchfor your rig.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
So we originally priced ours a little higher, and
what it was.
So, full disclosure, we listedour rig, not going to say an
actual amount because I saw youstarting to stare at me close
enough to what some dealershipswere willing to list new rigs at
a low end for.
Some dealerships do differentthings.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Most of them list on RVTrader in some capacity, and
so we were right in thatballpark.
Well, some of the ones thatreally were lower were just
beating us out in the searchcriteria.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
By like $900.
Oh yeah, we're not talking alot lower, were just beating us
out in the search criteria bylike $900.
I mean, it was by such a smallmargin Right Again.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Our rig, even though it was used, was much more done,
and so we decided to lower theprice, just to get in front of
them.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
It was yeah, and that was a tactical move.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Right.
And so, just like when you'repricing the rig, look at the
market.
Now again, because of all theupgrades which we had done, what
did we determine?
It was close to like 40 or 50thousand dollars in upgrades yes
, it was close to 50 yeah, noteven including time and effort
just the actual dollar amountspent kind of a thing.
And so you know, for us to landwhere new rigs were priced on
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the low side was where wethought we would be, but we just
wanted to make sure we beatthem out in the search criteria,
so we lowered it by.
I think it was $1,000 orsomething like that.
I mean, we were just underneaththem and then we negotiated
after that.
So just a little tip on thatside.
So, all right, any regrets onselling the RV?
How we did it Not selling theRV, there's obviously always
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going to be a little bit of likeoh, we love it, bye.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, that was kind of bittersweet.
But no, no regrets.
I think I'm happy with how itwent both times, honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Any last minute tips.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
No, I've sprinkled them in.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
You sprinkled them in , if you could always see the
hand motion to finish that off.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You have to listen to the whole podcast if you want
all the tips.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
There you go.
With all of that being said, weappreciate you coming and
hanging out with us talking.
It's been fun actually talkingto somebody else.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Otherwise, it's just been me and the voices in my
head, voices in your head, whichis dangerous.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Hopefully we're seeing you well actively right
now, probably when this comesout at the United Rally.
We have a couple of fun panelsthat we're hosting, and by we,
I'm pretty sure it means Ryan,where pretty much all the hosts
which, if you know, the UnitedRally is a big conglomerate of
YouTubers.
I don't know a gaggle ofYouTubers, oh, a gaggle.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I don't know how to refer to us in like more than
two, but a lot of the bigchannels, some friends of ours,
some people we haven't metbefore, but we're aware of them
now.
And so there's two panels thatwe're all going to sit down and
talk a little RV, a littleYouTube, a little content
creator, whatever versioneverybody happens to do.
We're going to record them forthe podcast, that's right, I'm
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going to stir their brains rightquick.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Did you catch that we are going to an RV rally and we
don't have an?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
RV.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
How do you think that's going to go?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Backpacking, tent, tent, yeah no air mattress.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
No, I told you a long time ago I will never tent camp
again, so I will let you guysponder on how we're going to do
an RV rally, hypothetically,without owning an RV right now.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I will say it's not what you would normally
think Most of the time whenpeople do that kind of stuff,
like, oh, there's a cabin at thenope, nope, there are no cabins
.
So no cabins, no tents.
We will have a show dedicatedto it at some point.
But yeah, we are going to an rvrally, rv list.
So as far as what's coming upin our lives, kind of wrap up a
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little bit as far as the process.
So obviously the valor is gonewhen we say it's gone, it's gone
, gone, it's been gone for aweek and a half, two weeks now
about two weeks um and we arehomeless is homeless ish.
We're staying with people andwhich we're super appreciative
of.
Um, we are in the process ofgetting our new rv ordered.
It is the valor sold fasterthan we honestly thought.
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Therefore, the rv is not evenclose to ready yet, so there's
gonna be a little bit ofdowntime.
We also have the house, soyou're gonna get some podcast of
us of transitioning fromfull-time to part-time.
That kind of stuff, storing,winterizing that's new to us.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
That's true, never had to store it.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Wow.
And so we're going to have to.
Now, when I say store it, we'relooking because the horses,
we're looking for a littleacreage.
So more than likely the RV isgoing to be on property.
But how do you leave it onproperty for a couple of weeks
of downtime without, you know,destroying it on accident?
That kind of stuff.
That's all new to us.
So that's what's going to becoming from us in the very near
future.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Does it feel weird talking on the mic again?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Someone's ready to be done.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Don't you love that he acknowledges it and then
refuses to be done.
Don't you love that.
He acknowledges it and thenrefuses to move on.
This is the life I lead, y'all.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Thank you so much for listening.
If you haven't followed us onthe main channel or anything
else, please do so.
Everything you can findeverything over at millers in
motioncom.
Or RV shenanigans or RVshenanigans podcastcom, and we
look forward to chatting withyou next week.
Bye.
Or rv shenanigans podcastcom,and we look forward to chatting
(45:12):
with you next week.
Bye.
Boy, do we have some changes and my better half slash
a voice is returning to thepodcast.
It's been a hot minute for her,so let's get into it.
Welcome back, I'm Ryan.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Lauren, and this is the RV shenanigans podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Shenanigans.
If you notice, we haven't saidthat word in a while.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm happy to have it back.
That was my idea.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We toyed with some ideas and they didn't work out,
so we're just going back to whatwe know works, and that is the
shenanigans, because we're goodat that.
So we'll welcome back.
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm here.
It's early in the morning forus Well kind of.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We're just not as caffeinated as we normally would
be.
Whether or not it's early isdebatable.
So we have a lot of updates andthis is going to be coming on
the full YouTube channel thinghere in about.
Well, at the time of recordingabout three-ish weeks, and so we
figured we'd put it here first.
I'm sure it'll be out on socialmedia and this is being
(01:10):
recorded right before we getready to leave for the united
rally.
So if you're coming to that,you probably know even before
this, so you want to hit themwith our first big change the
first big change is um.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
We're homeless again by choice.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
By choice is the important part there by choice.
Yes, we sold the valor we did,and we're going to get into a
whole lot of selling the valorhere in a little bit, um, but
just know that for the timebeing, we did decide to sell it.
No, it's not because somethingwas wrong with it or anything
else.
We absolutely love that rv, andliterally months ago, we just
(01:47):
finished it.
In our eyes I'm using airquotes that you can't see, but
yeah.
So with that though, why did wesell the valor?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
oh, that that was a question for me, not for them.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Huh that was for you.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, because they can't respond to this moment
sometimes it's that rhetoricalwhere it's like, yeah, you guys
answer, dream up your ownanswers.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I guess your cue is when I picked up my coffee to
take a drink, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Didn't know if you were just spacing things out.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
We're going to do long, dramatic pauses on this
podcast in the reboot.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
For you to think about the answers to these
questions before we answer themourselves.
Okay, so we sold the Valorbecause we would like to
actually get something that'ssmaller and a little bit more
nimble, and maybe even somethingthat I could drive.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, praise God.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Easy over there, easy breezy.
So yes, that was.
One of the goals is that we didwant to be a little bit more
nimble and smaller, but alsobecause we're going to find
something to settle down in,like a house type, so we can
kind of come back to a home basea little bit more than we had
been.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So even I think, a bigger deal, at least to us,
more than even selling the Valor, because in our full-time RV
life we had two RVs.
We had our Solitude 390RK.
That was a, we thought, a greatchoice at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I still stick to that.
I think it was it met the goalswe set.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, for like three to five months it met those
goals Great.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
This is a learning opportunity.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And then we switched to our Alliance Valor 44V14,
which was a new floor plan atthe time for him.
We absolutely love that.
We still love that rig.
We're still going to be veryinvolved in the Facebook group,
mainly because we created it,but it is just that time.
I think you refer to them asseasons of life.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That is correct and we just determined that that
living full time in the RV, thatseason was kind of coming to a
close to us and that we wouldenjoy having a home to come back
to.
But we still love the RV lifeand wanted to keep that a big
part of our travels.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, and I think so, a big part of our travels.
Well, and I think so a bigreason for us.
Because I don't I don'tnecessarily feel like I have to
justify why we're doing it, butI like to give people a little
bit of insight to why.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
If that makes sense Well, if you don't, they may
come into their own conclusionsand we don't want anything out
there.
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, we hated RV life.
No, that's not the case.
That's absolutely not the case.
We loved it actually so muchthat we're making sure to go
back with not only another RV,but I will say it will be
another Alliance RV, because weloved our Valor so much and so.
But with that, you know, it'swith that change of season and
(04:20):
time for us, our families,specifically my parents are
getting a little older, so wewant to be around North Texas a
little bit more.
And then, a big reason for me,something that I noticed, and
this is a trap I think a lot offull-time rv families can maybe
accidentally get themselves into.
And that's, you know, because Iworked from the rig and you
could work from the rig, wewould go somewhere and work
(04:40):
would just magically follow you.
So you're not really takingAgain the air quotes that nobody
can see.
And so, yes, it's great thatall of our stuff would go Like
if we went to a horse show, wewent to like Tennessee or
Florida for the gazillionth timeor any of those types of things
, but also we didn't feel likewe were traditionally camping
anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Right, and that's a double-edged sword, because we
were able to go a lot of placeswithout necessarily missing out
on work.
You know you're like, oh, Ihave so many vacation days, well
, or you know, I had to meet somuch productivity and that
didn't apply in the same manner.
So we were able to travel more,but we weren't really
vacationing.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, and because we still wanted to get back to
North Texas for horses andparents and family stuff and
everything that kind of kept onpulling us back, we ended up
doing these as you're very awareif you watch the YouTube
channel ridiculous drive days towhere they're.
I mean, I don't know that weminus the trip to Florida the
first day.
(05:38):
I don't know that we had adrive day less than eight hours
ever.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Right, they're usually closer to 12.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Without an arrival.
Sorry, I guess I should prefacethat by normally.
We did that like a long driveday so that we had a shorter
drive day coming in, so we getset up and have a little bit of
energy to kind of move on thatday, but yeah, but yeah.
So all of those things beingsaid, we would like to, when we
actually get the RV out to go ona trip.
We want it to be that.
We want it to be a trip.
We want it to be a little bitmore enjoyable when we got out
(06:05):
there.
Not that we didn't enjoy itbefore, just degrees of
enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I guess Maybe relaxing.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Right, well, and to know that, like when the RV
comes out, it can be somethingfun, right.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Exactly A hundred percent fun, not you know like
when we went to.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm going to use Tennessee as an example because
I think that's the spot we wentto.
I'm going to use Tennessee asan example because I think
that's the spot we went andplayed the most away from the RV
.
But at the end of the day westill came back and still had to
clean our house and to dolaundry.
And I'm not saying that that'snot a thing when you RV anyway,
but when you look at it as thoseeveryday tasks and now my desk
(06:39):
is down, so I might as well geta little bit of work done while
I'm sitting here waiting onsomething to happen and next
thing, you know you've been downfor four and a half hours that
kind of stuff and not sittingoutside, not, you know, getting
a campfire going, all of thosethings kind of compiled
(07:07):
no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, I had to stay back at work and go to the
clinic for a couple of thingswhich we fully expected.
That's not unforeseen.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Let's say or the dogs .
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
If we got invited to go do something where I couldn't
, I'd be gone for like 12 to 15hours a day.
That's not fair to our dogs totake them and not be able to get
them outside.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
All that stuff Right, but that did leave you taking
our house and left me and thedogs trying to scramble to find
somewhere to go.
Luckily enough, our parents arehere in the DFW area, but my
mom has dogs that don't reallyget along with our dogs, so that
was never an option on thetable along with our dogs.
So that was never an option onthe table.
So it was either hotel or crashwith Ryan's parents, which, at
(07:47):
the end of the day, I feltintrusive, and that started to
get a little old.
It was wonderful for them towelcome us, but by the way, felt
intrusive.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
We love my parents so much because they pretty much
gave us their upstairs for theforeseeable future, until we can
get the new RV slash housething squared away.
So yes with all that being said,we don't want to go down the
woe is us path a little too far.
So just know that there is achange in the works on the RV
side.
But before we dive into it,we're going to take a quick
(08:16):
break because when we come back,we're going to talk about how,
why, the process of selling RV,just in case you need to sell an
RV.
So stick with us for just onesecond.
Hey, we're back look at that andfor us, the magic of seconds
(08:37):
later.
Um so, selling your rv.
So obviously, like we talkedabout earlier, we just sold our
alliance Alliance Valor 44 V14.
We've sold an RV previously.
That was our grand design,solitude 390 RK.
But we want to talk a littlebit about the how we knew it was
time to sell it, which we kindof did with the solid, with the
Valor.
I mean, we can briefly touch onthe Solitude, the other one,
(09:06):
the other one, but then kind ofwhat, once you make that
decision to sell it, what thatprocess actually and
legitimately looks like from arealistic perspective.
Because I feel like our RVswere a little unique in that
they had been reasonablyupgraded.
Now the Valor had been reallyupgraded.
So what?
When we decided to sell the RV,what was the first thing that
entered your mind that youneeded to get done?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Honestly, to me it was kind of like writing a
description and taking photos toconvey the value of the.
Rv Because we had both of theseare very nice rigs and we had
updated and mod and all kinds ofstuff.
And so we wanted to be able toconvey that, and I know that at
that point for us it was a nichebuyer, but trying to grab that
(09:50):
person to show them what wasunique about our rig versus the
7,000 that are on the market.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, and obviously we're saying that it was a niche
buyer because both systems hada solar system on it.
The first one was a pretty goodsized solar system.
The Valor was ridiculouslysized.
I mean, do whatever whenever,however, you want kind of a
system.
And so from that we knewbetween the independent
suspension, the disc brakes, thesolar upgrades, all the little
(10:17):
stuff which there's so much, Idon't even know where to start
on that.
But we knew that that personwasn't going to be just the
average RV buyer because theydon't understand the value in
the independent suspension, discbrakes, solar, all of those
things.
And so I mean it wasn'tnecessarily without getting in
the dollars.
It was priced accordingly, Iguess, is the best way to say
(10:39):
that.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, I agree that we went to links to research the
market and the value of thethings that we had done and just
the temperature of the marketin general in order to price
them accordingly.
We weren't looking for somebodyto come in and steal it,
necessarily, but we weren'tlooking to overprice it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And I think it's important to note too that if
you're listening to this and yougo I didn't know you were
selling your rig it's because wedon't actually put it on the
Miller's in Motion social mediastuff.
We may share it on our personalpages, which I'm never on,
you're on yours a little bitmore than I am, but still not a
ton.
Um, we've never felt like.
We feel like the rv in its ownright should sell itself, versus
(11:18):
kind of relying on a viewershipor followership to sell it for
us.
If that makes any sense and Idon't I've just always felt
weird about putting it on theMiller's in Motion page to sell
it.
I don't know why.
100% besides.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, you get what I'm putting down, so we never
did that.
Now, that being said, there areplenty of options out there.
As far as trying to get itlisted, I'm going to say the
most basic would be Facebookmarketplace.
Because it's free, you can putit on there.
I will tell you from somebodythat sold a handful of things
like golf clubs and random stuffon Facebook marketplace hard
(11:54):
pass.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And so I actually did list the solitude in Facebook
marketplace.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Oh, I didn't remember that, and that was a terrible
experience.
So now I need to know why.
Because you dealt with it, Ireally didn't on that Facebook
marketplace side.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Because, from what I found, the buyer that we were
looking for for a high-end nicherig was not in Facebook
marketplace.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's about the nicest way I think you could
have put that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It sure was.
There are tire kickers andthere are people with no
experience or frame of referencethat have a lot of opinions
about what you've done andthey're very willing to share
them, and I started a lot ofconversations that had to be
shut down because they weren'tin a positive direction.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well, and I think, too that, like.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about like RV, specific
websites where you can listthings, and I think that there's
a prerequisite to people thatgo to those that they're
actually legitimately lookingfor an RV, whereas on Facebook
marketplace, if you happen toFacebook, like a truck for sale
(12:59):
I accidentally did that at onepoint, accidentally did that at
one point, and I'm still gettingads for like, use trucks to use
RVs, all of that stuff, becauseMeta is trying to force things
down my throat that Inecessarily don't want to see
anymore well, and ultimately I.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
so it was the grand design solitude that I'd listed,
and I also listed it in granddesigns for sale and you know,
big RVs for sale, thesedifferent groups that were in
Facebook, and I had a verysimilar experience that the
buyer was not in those groups.
Those are just what do theycall them Keyboard jockeys.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, so I was going to ask so did you?
When you listed it in thosegroup specifics, did you list
the marketplace ad or did youlist the other ad that we did,
which we'll talk about in asecond?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I did the other oh okay.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So that's why I was curious if it would.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So facebook as a whole was just kind of a hot
mess oh, it was, and I, when welisted the valor, I did not go
down that road one bit no, infact, we only listed it one
place now we shared it excuse me, we shared it on our social
media once or twice again.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Not our miller's in motion page, but we actually
shared it on our social mediaonce or twice Again.
Not our Miller's in Motion page, but we actually shared it on
our personal page.
I think we mentioned that wewere selling it, just so that it
wasn't like shock and awe onMiller's in Motion.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Right, and I don't even know that I shared it on my
personal.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Oh, I just assumed you did I did not.
Never mind, we didn't do any ofthat.
So, with that being said, wedid choose to list it on rv
trader.
So if you are unaware, ifyou're in the rv space and
you're unaware what rv on thethere I don't know why I just
got a little like transylvaniaaccent there his coffee has your
blood.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
His coffee hasn't kicked in.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Y'all are gonna have to be kind um, but we did choose
to list it.
On rv trader we did use one oftheir higher end options because
you can list.
They got different tiers,apparently more than even I knew
.
They used to only have like twoor three and now they like four
.
So we did what we thought wasthe top of the line, which
apparently was one below whereyou could list.
I think you had 40 pictures,description, all of that stuff,
(14:58):
and then on top of that youmessage.
When people message you, itgoes all through RV trader.
So there's a little.
Not everybody gets your cellphone number and personal
Facebook profile, which is kindof nice because you inherently
do get tire kickers as wellthere, but it's a lot less.
Now you're probably not goingto get as many leads that you're
(15:18):
going to get on Facebook, but Ido feel like that you got
better leads.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Absolutely.
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Like I think there was only one person that
mentioned messaged us that, um,they had a random question and
they saw it was us and so theyasked a question through the
sales ad.
For some weird reason,everybody else that communicated
with us was legitimatelylooking at the rig.
Now, some people they were justasking like if it was still for
sale and they had a couple ofquestions on some upgrades, but
(15:48):
they hadn't quite seen a 44 inreal life, so they were going to
an RV show.
Then it turned out that theydidn't necessarily care for
something about it, but theymade a decision on what rig is
right for them and it didn'tinclude the 44 anymore.
I think they went with more ofa non-toy hauler option.
I think is what it came down to.
So, um, do you remember howmuch the ad was on rv trader off
the top of your head?
(16:08):
it's a couple hundred dollarsyeah, I was guessing two to 250.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think it may have been more than that.
I think it may have been morethan that.
I think it may have been threeor four hundred.
Oh OK, but in my opinion it'sworth it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the qualified leads you're
going to get, and even us, likewe had more responses to the
solitude, but it wasn't as highof a priced coach either.
The upgrades we had done whilethere were many of them, there
was more on the Valor, and notonly were there more on the
Valor, valor, we went about 15steps further on the upgrades we
(16:40):
actually did.
So like again, the solar systemis the prime example of it was
just bigger, better, badder, allof those things.
So, um, I would recommend rvtrader I do too the one thing.
You know, if I was going to giveanybody a tip when listing you
know I tried to treat it kind oflike a YouTube video that we
made a thumbnail for it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And I did that because everybody lists their RV
the same way picture of theoutside, picture of a few of the
sides, and then you start goinginto more detailed or macro
pictures of the inside, thingsthat are going on in the rig.
That kind of stuff highlightthe features essentially.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Also, when we listed the solitude, I did something
similar.
I didn't do a thumbnail, butinstead of the, the first
picture being of the outside ofthe rig, like everybody else, it
was actually, I think, of ourbattery bank and our system set
up.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So I like the thumbnail thing because again, I
mean, I've again I've kind ofstudied that and you know what
youtube likes and doesn't likeand what catches people's eye,
and so I was able to put apicture of the outside of the
rig.
But I was also able to put big,bright words that said Alliance
, valor 44, v14.
And then it said for sale.
But it also could highlight theindependent suspension and the
solar system and all thosethings.
(17:47):
So you know, try to thinkoutside the box, especially if
you're not in the contentcreation land, you know.
Just know that there's a reasonwhy we do everything we do and
if you're looking to sell yourrig, at the end of the day
you're just promoting it.
So anything you can do to helppromote it or get people's eyes
on your rig versus adealership's or somebody else's
is a step you got on anybodyelse.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say is that
oftentimes this wasn't quite thecase.
With the Valor, there wereseveral new ones for sale.
There weren't very many usedones, but with the Grand Design
there were a lot of new and used, and so we had to find a way
for our rig to stand out fromall the others that are for sale
.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Do we want to talk about the 800 pound girl in the
room that we sold our rig rightbefore all this fun Grand Design
stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, so you don't get control over timing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No you don't.
And we had already made thedecision to sell our Solitude at
that point.
And this was what, a year priorto the I don't even know what
to call it framey thingies Idon't want to say the words.
Yeah, no, we don't want.
(18:55):
Obviously, we sold it beforeany of that.
We had our fun experience withGrand Design's customer service
and for us that was between thatand some of the like.
It just wasn't working for us.
The layout and some otherthings.
That was our kind of nail inthe coffin for Grand Design as a
whole.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But I'm going to say this so that it's on the record.
We had our frame tested.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh, many times.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And it was not part of the framey things going on.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
At least at the time we sold it, it wasn't and it was
tested twice two differentprofessionals.
Oh, it was.
So, yes, professionally tested.
I did it a lot more than thatonce I learned what it actually
was and how to do it, because itreally isn't that hard.
You just have to be willing toput it on your truck.
(19:45):
So, um, anyway, so we decide toput the rig up for sale.
It's sitting on rv trader.
At that point I know you saidyou the solitude, you shared it
in some facebook groups.
Um, the valor, we really didn'tshare it.
I think I shared it in the 44group oh yeah, you did because
there's we.
We started a specific since the44 v14 was the biggest RV
Alliance had ever made and soinherently it was going to have
some quirks because it was, Ithink, two or three feet longer
than the next closest toy hauler.
Also it had a different kind ofa couch.
(20:07):
There was a lot of differentthings that were part of the 44
that aren't in other toy haulers.
Now they've kind of come backand things that are in the 44
are now also in other toyhaulers on the Alliance line,
but at the time there wasn't.
So we wanted a place for 44owners to just kind of figure
out if that makes sense.
So I did list it there becausethere were also people in there
that had said they're lookingfor a used one.
(20:29):
Right, the 44 was unique inthat front because there were a
handful of used.
There was one or two used onesout there ever, ever, when we
put ours on the market.
Yeah, we had an early modelbecause we kind of worked out
with Alliance.
We ended up getting one of notthe first one off the line oh no
, first batch near the end ofsaid batch.
(20:50):
But with that being said, itwas interesting because it made
it difficult to price it.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And so do you want to talk about the theory with it?
Because we're not going to saywhat we sold it for.
It's not listed anymore.
But if you saw it when it waslisted, that's not a shock.
But how did we eventually getto the pricing we landed on?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
So we considered what it would be to purchase a new
one.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So remember, this was a 2024 model and we sold it in
2024.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, we technically barely and so while it was used,
it wasn't heavily used,obviously, Well we full time
didn't, so it was being used allthe time.
I mean years old.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, years old, and we didn't roll down the road
just constantly with it either.
It's not like we were gone allthe time.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So we kind of looked at the value of a new rig and
what they were going for in thatmarket, what you were getting
off MSRP and then also factoringin that you pay taxes on a new
rig and that's roughly 6%, andon these rigs that's close to
six grand.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I was going to say and that's just in case you're
not 100% aware of what Lauren'stalking about If you buy from a
dealership or a business entity,in whatever state you happen to
be buying in, you're going topay.
You're subject to whatever thesales tax is in that state on
vehicles.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
If you buy from an individual, and this goes for
vehicles too if you buy from anindividual, there is no sales
tax because you're not buyingfrom a business or an entity.
And that's important if you'reworking with like a creator,
like us, is you know, understand?
Because if we had sold, like ifMiller's in Motion had bought
that RV Right and we sold it, wewould have had to assess sales
(22:26):
tax at that point, otherwise thestate of Texas would be looking
for us.
So just you know in thatprocess, just kind of know those
things.
So anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So we took into account what the new rigs were
going for with the addition ofsales tax, and then took a
portion of that off because ourswas used.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So let's say whatever .
We at the time thought theappropriate depreciation value
would have been Right, which wasreally hard to charge.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And then we kind of wrote down and priced out all
the upgrades that we had donebetween the independent
suspension and the solar, thewasher and dryer that was going
to be on there.
There were just several,several things, all the MORryde
things that we had done,upgraded the pin box, and then
we kind of did the same thing.
We took the new value andassessed a depreciation to that
and tried to come up withsomething that was reasonable.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And that's where we priced it.
And then we even said, like weput, that we're open to offers,
but it was reasonably firm RightOf where we were, because I'm
not.
You know, you can play.
I think there's a couple ofgames you can play when you're
selling an RV and you can do thewhole okay.
Well, I really want to get thisfor it.
So I'm going to price it at youknow, five, 10, depending on
the dollar amount you're talkingabout.
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I'm going to add a couple ofpercentage points essentially to
the rig, so that when Inegotiate I land where I really
want to be.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Just know, when you do that, you run the potential
of overpricing the rig Right andI think that we overestimated
the market when we listed theSolitude at first.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
But that was the first RV we'd ever sold, and so
we recognized that prettyquickly and we actually did come
back off the price and on thelisting because we didn't want
to have to negotiate a whole lotof big number.
I guess you could say well, theother side of that too was our
valor was nearing completion, soat some point it need to go
that is true, and so justkeeping an eye on the market and
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what, what other stuff is goingfor, how people are feeling,
time of year plays a big roleand just know that if you are
like, if you happen to buy a new, a rig that is new to the
marketplace, like we did at the44, you're you're in somewhat
uncharted waters to a point, andso you have to do your best to
make the decision you make.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But we also allow, like, listen to it, like our rig
was so overly specialty, wedecided that we knew this was
going to be a niche buyer andthat we didn't want.
I think the best way to say itis that we knew that, we knew
this was going to be a nichebuyer and that we didn't want.
I think the best way to say itis that we knew that this might
take a little bit of time and sohave realistic expectations on
timing, depending on how it'spriced and the rig you're trying
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to sell, I think is the bestway.
Like, if you've got a TiffinAllegro bus that's decked out
like a 2023 and you paid youknow six, seven, eight hundred
thousand dollars for that,you're gonna try and sell it for
, I'm guessing, at least six,right, if it's the use, the
amount our valor was.
Just know that that person is aharder person to find than the
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person looking for a, you know,a fifteen thousand dollar travel
trailer it is.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's a diff.
That's why I was saying nichebuyer.
They're looking for a big rigwith big upgrades and they have
a bigger budget.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, Also a factor is time of year, and so go ahead
.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's kind of a double-edged sword right,
Because we listed both of themwhen we thought it was the
perfect time of year and then wesold both of them in what would
be considered the down season.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I disagree.
I don't think we listed them inthe perfect time of year and
what would be considered thedown season.
So I disagree.
I don't think we listed them inthe perfect time of year.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think we didn't understand in the solitude, the
process.
Enough Right.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But we listed that in summer.
That's true, we did.
The solitude was on the marketa little bit longer than the
valor was, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Okay, but we listed the valor in.
Was it November or December?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Oh no, I the valor in was it november or december?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
oh no, I think it was before that.
Then it was october, but it wasfall it was fall, so which fall
is not ideal?
No, realistically, like january, february I would.
I would probably argue is aboutperfect timing.
Um, if you think about rv shows, right, um, disregard hershey,
it's in the fall.
I'm not really sure.
Sure why?
Um, but the one of the biggerRV shows besides Hershey is the
Florida RV super show.
That's mid January every year.
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That's kind of the unofficialkickoff, if you may right, of
camping season.
So, between January, February,March, people start looking for
RVs because I want to go campingwhen the pro weather gets
pretty, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And as soon as spring and summer start hitting and
you know, April, May- they wantto be out there.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So I was gonna say april and may my understanding
and talking to the guys atalliance april and may is kind
of like prime season, like theylike april and may are the big
time, like they work all year toget through those two months
and so.
But by then if that's not adealer or it's not on order,
it's probably not happening kinda thing, and so but those are
the months that they're probablythe busiest in RV sales,
because you get the combinationof people that started looking
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in January, finally found whatthey want.
Maybe they ordered it, maybe itjust took a second to get the
rig.
It falls in those months andthe people that waited until oh,
it's pretty outside now rigtime, and those are the ones
that are going to go buysomething off of a lot, and so
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that's when most RV sales.
So ideally January, february,maybe even March would be like
the three months I would circleif you're going to sell a rig.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We did the fall.
You know, sometimes life justworks like that.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Right, and that's the thing too, is you?
If you're full timing, you kindof have to roll with the
punches.
And I think that's true withanything in full-time RV life.
You just have to kind of rollwith it.
But when you're selling a rig,you know, we honestly thought.
I thought it would be on tillspring-ish of 2026.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I did.
Well, maybe February at theearliest, kind of a thing, and
then obviously we sold it.
It's December and it's I don'tknow know, it's January now.
Good night.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But if you'd asked me like which month is our rig
least likely to sell in, I wouldhave circled December without a
heartbeat and, lo and behold,that's when it sold.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Because the holidays is my big thing.
I couldn't imagine spendingthat kind of money in knowing
Christmas is around the cornerand all those things.
Now, some people, it's justtiming, and I will say too that
I feel like the buyers thatbought our rig were looking to
do the things that we hadalready done and they had kind
of heard some stories about.
Well, new RVs aren't immune toproblems.
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In fact, they're more likely tohave them.
And so you have this sweet spot.
I've always thought this, atleast in towables I can't speak
to drivables you have the sweetspot of about six to eight
months after you take deliveryof it and you kind of shake all
the problems out of it for abouttwo to five years, depending on
if you full-time, part-time,slash, take care of it that you
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don't have any like major majorproblems, barring anything
self-inflicted accidents, thatkind of stuff until you start to
have product, you know, wearand tear, things start to happen
, and then you got to startreplacing stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So we had essentially just broken her in.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
That's right.
Well, and like you were sayingthat other people have their
timelines, you don't know whattheir timelines are and their
timeline just happened to meshwith ours in the month that
nobody thought we would sell anRV.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, so we find a buyer, we you come to terms kind
of this.
One worked a little bitbackwards, but it's fine.
That's how they wanted to do it, so I was fine with that.
Um, typically, once someonestarts talking to us which I
handled most of this side- rightum shocker, I'm more the sales
guy in our relationship.
Um what's that process kind oflook like, at least from our
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side somebody?
you're asking me, but youhandled it well, I know, but we
talked about it all the time.
So so essentially, uh, you know, a prospective buyer reaches
out, we talk for a little bit.
Um, normally what happens is atthat point, if someone's
interested in it, they wouldeither come and see it Um, in
this scenario the buyer couldnot come and see it because of
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distance, but they saw the valuein it and so they hired an
inspector, which were bigproponents of you know that Now,
the first people did notinspect the solitude, these guys
did inspect the valor.
And I will say the people thatdidn't inspect the solitude.
I repeatedly said are you sure?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes, you did.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
At least twice out loud.
I probably said it five timesin total, and so we're big
proponents of it.
Know what you're gettingyourself into.
Yes, they're expensive, but atthe end of the day it's peace of
mind.
It's a piece of paper andpictures, typically that give
you kind of hey, this is what'sreally going on.
If you have to buy a rig sightunseen, I'd almost say it's a
requirement.
Now, if you know a lot aboutRVs and you want to go do your
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own little self-assessment, gofor it, but that's you putting
your eyes on it Then you have toweigh your comfortability on
that side and know that you'renot going to be able to pull
that underbelly down and theymight not either, but they might
stick their head in places youmight not have thought of when
you do the inspection.
So anyway, so they chose tohave an inspector come out early
.
They did it, and then they asBailey almost knocks my coffee
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cup over they did the inspection, and then we talked through the
negotiations, which I've alwaysfound negotiations kind of
funny.
Well, right, and especially inthis case, Like we're dealing
with genuinely nice people whohave similar goals and yeah,
Well, and it's you know, you gocamping with all these people,
you meet people out on the roadand as a whole.
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If you're listening to this,you're probably already
reasonably into the RV lifestyleas a whole.
Rvers are friendly and nice.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
They are.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
There's always that one but, it's rare and so it's
weird trying to negotiate withthem and so I'm very upfront
when it comes to it.
So they set a number.
I said, realistically, that'snot even close.
You know, we're kind of firm onthe price.
I have a little bit of wiggleroom, but not much, and we came
to terms.
I think the negotiation lastedall about six minutes on the
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phone.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
All right, and again, when you've got this niche
buyer who these are six figurerigs, let's put that out there
because that's no secret andyou're not going to have
somebody who doesn't understandcome in and be like $5.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Well, maybe on Facebook you did.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
On Facebook.
Yeah, but you know, it's just adifferent process.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm curious if people can hear Bailey making noises.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They can probably hear your chair squeaking more
than Bailey.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Oh, okay, so we come to terms.
And then, typically, at thatpoint when you come to terms,
there's a process, and I'll saythere's two different versions
of this process.
One cash buyer.
That process is easy Please payus, take the rig, bye, bye,
that was the solitude.
And no, they financed, but theyfinanced with a company that
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pre-approved them and dideverything, and so they came
with a check from the financecompany I was going to say we
got cash in hand Right For us.
They brought a cashier's checkbecause, they knew what the
price was.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's easy for us.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Sometimes it's a different lending companies.
Different lending companieshave different policies and
procedures, so this wasn't theeasiest process.
It wasn't difficult, but it was.
Now you're coordinating with ahandful of people from a company
, like there's a title people,there's the, the actual like
lender, and then you have theguy that sold it, all kind of a
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thing, and so you know they havecertain forms that they have to
get to satisfy themselves,which is perfectly fine.
I understand that.
Um, again, we did this duringthe holiday, so it was kind of
like nailing jello-O to a wallwith them.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
sometimes it was yeah .
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And so you know.
I would say that if you have acash buyer over a lender, take
the cash buyer.
If it's the same price, it'sjust easier, it's cleaner,
there's not a whole lot to it.
That's assuming you havemultiple offers.
We did not.
We had this one and we had thatSure.
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So they asked for a bunch ofstuff VIN numbers, pictures of
some things, documentation ofthings.
Obviously we had to sign a fewdocuments as well so that the
title transfer all happenedcorrectly.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And I'm going to say nothing.
That was unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
No, timing was just that.
Yeah, none of the asks wereunreasonable, just getting them
to actually finalize or sendanything over that for some
reason.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That was the hiccup well, and at one point we'd been
like a week without an updateand we were like hey you know,
kind of what's what's up, what'sgoing on, and they're like, oh,
you didn't sign this form andit's like, tell us, tell us,
we're happy to do it right and Ithink once we knew that, we
signed it and sent it overwithin minutes yeah, I mean it
mean it's not hard.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's all virtual signing anyway, right and so.
But yeah, so we go through thatprocess.
The buyer finally getseverything approved.
And I will say that you knowthere was in this scenario there
was two kind of processes.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
There was what the lender was lending and then a
little bit of I don't even knowhow to call that second payment
Like a cash lender was lending,and then a little bit of I don't
even know how to call thatsecond payment A cash down
payment kind of thing, but thatall came directly to us, so we
essentially got two.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
well, in this case, wire transfers.
But wire transfers, cashierchecks, those kinds of things.
The only thing I'll tell youand this had absolutely nothing
to do with this buyer but whenyou're exchanging that kind of
money, I would always leantowards wires.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I think that's a lot safer.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
If you can.
Yeah, it's safer for you, it'ssafer for the buyer.
Quite frankly, it's easier forthe seller because there's
nothing you have to do.
The money gets there.
Cool, here's the keys.
Bye.
Sign the title to whoever youneed to sign the title over to,
kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And then you're done.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So our first one.
They came with a cashier'scheck, which I didn't have as
many qualms with it, but Ididn't you know, if you're
selling an RV, be mindful of.
Don't release the RV until youverify funds.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
While RVers are nice there's always the person
looking to scam you, so protectyourself.
And so, again, our buyers wereboth amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They were both phenomenal On both sides.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There are families that are going to go full-time
and both these rigs are going tostill be out there and
hopefully with these owners forlong periods of time.
I'm assuming the Solitude'sstill with its original owner or
with its second owners.
But there are instances outthere where people get scammed
and so just verify the funds arein your account before you let
that RV actually roll away,because once that RV rolls away,
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there ain't nothing you can doabout it.
Nope, I mean if they choose toscam you.
Yeah, Now if it's a legitimateperson and there was a mix-up.
They'll probably make it right,but again, you're putting a lot
of faith and hope.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And so just know, protect yourself when you're
doing this process.
Another thing too and there'sanother reason why I like rv
trader kind of on the scammerroute is you do all the
messaging through rv trader anduse your phone number email.
All that stuff stays anonymousto the other person.
Now, obviously, at some pointif that buyer becomes serious,
you're probably going toexchange contact information
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with them.
But what RV trader kind of saysis like start here and then, if
you feel comfortable after ahandful of conversations, then
you can move over into your ownpersonal email, because you know
, especially with working withlenders, they need to know
addresses and those types ofthings.
But that's a legitimate company, not necessarily an individual.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So something I would also recommend is that we've
always had insurance on our RVsand so, like this particular
buyer for the Valor after thefunds were received, still
didn't have it picked up forseveral days, and so we
encourage them to make sure thatthey had it insured in that
time, because even though theyhaven't taken delivery of it
technically, it's their rig andif we were to get a hailstorm or
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something just unforeseen,that's still on them,
unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now, to just ensure that nothing came back on us, we
left the insurance active onour side until the day it rolled
away.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Right, which you don't have to do.
We just did for kind ofsafekeeping in that regard.
And then the other thing that Ifelt very strongly of is that I
didn't release the title foreither rig until the funds had
cleared not just were pending,but had cleared.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Which in the in the Valor sale was unique because
the lending company, which is anational company, happened to be
like a block from your office.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It was, that was really easy.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
And so for that scenario, that was easy because
they wanted to have the title inhand by like x, they.
They said, I don't rememberwhat it was x amount of days
after, the seven days yeah well,we could kind of drag our feet
on that a little bit because weweren't dropping in the mail.
Right we were.
You were just like can I justrun it down there?
and they said, sure that's weird, but sure that's when we're
like well her office isliterally like there and
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they're're like oh yeah, come onby, and plus they could also
tell you where to sign, sonothing gets messed up on
accident.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And then the last thing is that on both rigs we
had a very simple bill of salethat was completed by both the
buyers and ourselves.
That was outside of anything alending agency or whatever
required, and it basically saidthe buyer has had the
opportunity to have aninspection, if they so choose,
at their own expense.
The rig is sold in as-iscondition and just kind of some
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of those plain and simple thingsthat it's nice to have that
signed.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, and again, protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And this goes for both sides.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Right and protect the other person too, like we're
selling it, we've disclosed.
It's kind of like when you buya house, you get.
We're looking at a lot ofhouses right now, and so we're
getting a lot of disclosures,disclosure we're looking at a
lot of houses right now.
And so we're getting a lot ofdisclosures, disclosure forms
our realtors giving us.
It's kind of that same thing oflike, hey, we've disclosed the
things that we're aware of, kindof a thing, kind of in best
faith kind of a situation, likeif there's something wrong that
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I'm unaware of.
That's why inspectors areimportant, because half the time
I probably would try and soldit.
We were kind of cleaning it upand I was like, of course a
problem would pop up as I'mdoing this, which it was
something super minor.
I don't remember what it was,but I remember having to fix
something real quick.
Oh, it was a trim piece.
The inspector was like you know, that trim piece fell out I'm
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like what trim piece?
And then he put it on theinspection report but then,
practically five minutes afterhe was gone, I had already fixed
it and so I took a picture andsent it to the buyer just so he
knew it was already fixed, eventhough it was on the report.
So, yeah, that you know.
As far as selling the rig, forthe most part, like nobody likes
going through that process, Idid have one tip that I
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completely forgot about backwhen we were talking about
listing the rig.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh, your coffee kicked in.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, and I looked at notes for a brief second.
So when you are listing yourrig, take your price into
consideration when people searchfor your rig.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
So we originally priced ours a little higher, and
what it was.
So, full disclosure, we listedour rig, not going to say an
actual amount because I saw youstarting to stare at me close
enough to what some dealershipswere willing to list new rigs at
a low end for.
Some dealerships do differentthings.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Most of them list on RVTrader in some capacity, and
so we were right in thatballpark.
Well, some of the ones thatreally were lower were just
beating us out in the searchcriteria.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
By like $900.
Oh yeah, we're not talking alot lower, were just beating us
out in the search criteria bylike $900.
I mean, it was by such a smallmargin Right Again.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Our rig, even though it was used, was much more done,
and so we decided to lower theprice, just to get in front of
them.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
It was yeah, and that was a tactical move.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Right.
And so, just like when you'repricing the rig, look at the
market.
Now again, because of all theupgrades which we had done, what
did we determine?
It was close to like 40 or 50thousand dollars in upgrades yes
, it was close to 50 yeah, noteven including time and effort
just the actual dollar amountspent kind of a thing.
And so you know, for us to landwhere new rigs were priced on
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the low side was where wethought we would be, but we just
wanted to make sure we beatthem out in the search criteria,
so we lowered it by.
I think it was $1,000 orsomething like that.
I mean, we were just underneaththem and then we negotiated
after that.
So just a little tip on thatside.
So, all right, any regrets onselling the RV?
How we did it Not selling theRV, there's obviously always
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going to be a little bit of likeoh, we love it, bye.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, that was kind of bittersweet.
But no, no regrets.
I think I'm happy with how itwent both times, honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Any last minute tips.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
No, I've sprinkled them in.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
You sprinkled them in , if you could always see the
hand motion to finish that off.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You have to listen to the whole podcast if you want
all the tips.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
There you go.
With all of that being said, weappreciate you coming and
hanging out with us talking.
It's been fun actually talkingto somebody else.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Otherwise, it's just been me and the voices in my
head, voices in your head, whichis dangerous.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Hopefully we're seeing you well actively right
now, probably when this comesout at the United Rally.
We have a couple of fun panelsthat we're hosting, and by we,
I'm pretty sure it means Ryan,where pretty much all the hosts
which, if you know, the UnitedRally is a big conglomerate of
YouTubers.
I don't know a gaggle ofYouTubers, oh, a gaggle.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I don't know how to refer to us in like more than
two, but a lot of the bigchannels, some friends of ours,
some people we haven't metbefore, but we're aware of them
now.
And so there's two panels thatwe're all going to sit down and
talk a little RV, a littleYouTube, a little content
creator, whatever versioneverybody happens to do.
We're going to record them forthe podcast, that's right, I'm
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going to stir their brains rightquick.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Did you catch that we are going to an RV rally and we
don't have an?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
RV.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
How do you think that's going to go?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Backpacking, tent, tent, yeah no air mattress.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
No, I told you a long time ago I will never tent camp
again, so I will let you guysponder on how we're going to do
an RV rally, hypothetically,without owning an RV right now.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I will say it's not what you would normally
think Most of the time whenpeople do that kind of stuff,
like, oh, there's a cabin at thenope, nope, there are no cabins
.
So no cabins, no tents.
We will have a show dedicatedto it at some point.
But yeah, we are going to an rvrally, rv list.
So as far as what's coming upin our lives, kind of wrap up a
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little bit as far as the process.
So obviously the valor is gonewhen we say it's gone, it's gone
, gone, it's been gone for aweek and a half, two weeks now
about two weeks um and we arehomeless is homeless ish.
We're staying with people andwhich we're super appreciative
of.
Um, we are in the process ofgetting our new rv ordered.
It is the valor sold fasterthan we honestly thought.
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Therefore, the rv is not evenclose to ready yet, so there's
gonna be a little bit ofdowntime.
We also have the house, soyou're gonna get some podcast of
us of transitioning fromfull-time to part-time.
That kind of stuff, storing,winterizing that's new to us.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
That's true, never had to store it.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Wow.
And so we're going to have to.
Now, when I say store it, we'relooking because the horses,
we're looking for a littleacreage.
So more than likely the RV isgoing to be on property.
But how do you leave it onproperty for a couple of weeks
of downtime without, you know,destroying it on accident?
That kind of stuff.
That's all new to us.
So that's what's going to becoming from us in the very near
future.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Does it feel weird talking on the mic again?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Someone's ready to be done.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Don't you love that he acknowledges it and then
refuses to be done.
Don't you love that.
He acknowledges it and thenrefuses to move on.
This is the life I lead, y'all.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Thank you so much for listening.
If you haven't followed us onthe main channel or anything
else, please do so.
Everything you can findeverything over at millers in
motioncom.
Or RV shenanigans or RVshenanigans podcastcom, and we
look forward to chatting withyou next week.
Bye.
Or rv shenanigans podcastcom,and we look forward to chatting
(45:12):
with you next week.
Bye.
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